@TheLusianPopa WHAT!? Pose for Pose, Haney looked better in almost every single one, and Haney's front double looked way better since Dorian had virtually NO PEAK. And Dorian may had slightly better legs but they weren't THAT much better at the time. And Dorian couldn't pose worth a shit then either and just looked awkward. Dorians chest was also weak and had a mere 4 abs, kind of 4 lol I would have Given Dorian 3rd next to Vince Taylor that year actually. Dorian simply had 2 many holes and looked uncomfortable up there and lacked confidence. Lee haney even bitch slapped him during the posedown and Dorian did nothing lol ANd that article is Peter Ms take which doesn't mean much. lol
I don't know what photos you are looking at but in my opinion Lee is much wider and his back is way thicker and wider. If Lee would have continued he still would have beat Dorian. Just my opinion....
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning. Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits. If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right? I tell you why not : His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
I have to disagree with you, Nick. Lee looked bigger, more defined, and better proportioned than Dorian. I think Dorian could possibly beat Haney, but his muscle maturity did not seem on-par with Haney's. It took Dorian a couple more years to gain his incredible mass.
I think what nick is saying is true, haney looked better than Yates in 91 definitely, but that was before he got really huge and grainy; haney smashes him on aesthetics and size in 91, but in later years he'd probably have to play the size game to beat Yates, it would probably destroy haneys physique, he was the king he didn't want or need to play the size game he achieved what he wanted then left. TLDR; Haney didn't want to kill his aesthetics playing the size game with dorian
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
He didn't say Yates was better in 91. He said Haney retired because he knew he couldn't beat him in the future. Personally I think he could have won one more year but 93 Yates would've won.
I think if Lee wanted to, he could have kept winning. He was already objectively better than Dorian in 91. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to, he was only like 30 lol. Not taking anything away from what Nick said, he knows Haney's psyche better than me.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning. Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits. If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right? I tell you why not : His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Don't think he would have beat Dorian by 92/93...Dorians legs were on another level at that time, calves unmatched and can match Haney or beat him from the rear. I mean Dorian even beat flex wheeler in his prime.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning. Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits. If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right? I tell you why not : His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
I'm sorry Nick, I agree with just about 99.999999999% of the things you say. Not this time. Lee is clearly bigger and better than Dorian and I believe if he wanted to he could've gotten bigger. He just chose not to for good reason. His health and life was more important to him than titles. Which I commend him for. But to say he couldn't fend Dorian off is absurd. Let's not forget, in those 6 titles Dorian won, at least 3 could've went to another guy because Dorian came in off a few times🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
JoshCannon Totally (totallee?) agree. Haney overpowered Yates in 1991 (look at the two in the relaxed pose) when Haney weighed 248 and Yates 242. In ‘92 Yates (I think) weighed 238. Haney would’ve beaten that version too.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning. Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits. If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right? I tell you why not : His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Am I the only one that is not impressed with Dorian Yates? I never was and I was bodybuilding back in these guys competition days. Lee still has the better physique.
Jason McKinney I never really cared for Dorian's physique either, but I did appreciate his back development. IMO his front quad separation looked weird and his muscle separation always looked washed out in magazine photos. The best Dorian was in 1993. After that everything went to shit. There were several BBers in the 1990s who looked better than Dorian, but didn't have his grainy muscle hardness.
Dorian was blockey looking. He had a thick waist which by 93 became a thick waist with a distended gh gut. Terrible aesthetics. I thought he looked his best in 92. His gut appeared in 93 and onward. The shape of his body gave him a U taper as opposed to a V taper.. he always had great condition with that grainy look but just a really odd shaped body. I actually thought Vince Taylor should have gotten 2nd in 1991
Lee Haney got 8 Olympia’s before he was the age of Ronnie when Ronnie got his first Olympia. And Lee only competed on the Olympia stage 8 times each one a win. Hands down best Mr. Olympia ever
Lee looked better and he hit his poses better than Dorian. Nick never gives Lee much credit for how great he was a bodybuilder. Dorian had not yet become the mass monster he would become yet.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
The 1991 Olympia was the first and only Olympia that I ever attended. Haney absolutely blew Yates away. His conditioning was awesome that year. There were a lot of rumours around the weekend of the show that Haney had used what bodybuilders called Eprex and cyclists called EPO to give him that "muscles bursting out of the skin" look. He certainly looked incredible. The Yates of 1992 was absolutely beatable but I'm not sure about the 1993 version.
Haney got rich by buying some land in Atlanta after retiring. The piece of land went up in value and Haney has a supermarket chain now. #Beasting#Everything
And the truth is this: Haney beat Dorian in 1991 hands-down. Dorian has never beaten Haney. That is a fact. Perhaps he would have in 1993, but that is mere speculation.
JP's Virtual Journal but that’s simply not true. Lee won the symmetry round and the posing round, Dorian won the muscularity round. This is the mandatory poses. So in a bodybuilding competition; Dorian won the round that is focused on... bodybuilding. If the competition was judged today, where posing isn’t judged and prejudging & finals are focused on the mandatory poses... who would have won?
@@timjones7336 What kind of nonsense are you talking? What you mean simply not true? EVERYTHING OP said was true. Haney beat Dorian and not vice versa. If you disagree name the contest where Dorian beat Haney? Also, using today's rules to judge a contest in the early 90s? Why the hell would you do that? Today's rules are for today. 90s rules are for the 90s. You're supposed to use the rules that are in effect on the day of the contest, not rules 27 years later that did not exist yet.
Anthony Ng Dorian beat Haney in the boxing match at the end of Rocky III lol. The not true bit is the comment “Haney beat Dorian.. hands down”. Yes Lee beat Dorian, but it was the first time that someone had beat Haney in any round since he was Mr. Olympia. The significance is that it was the closest win of Lee’s career... to a rookie who would later go on to literally redefine what was possible.
@@timjones7336 bodybuilding judging is a joke to begin with anyways.. anyone can clearly see that Haney looks better.. I believe they only gave Yates that round just to stir things up and make it different. Dorian had terrible aesthetics. Very blockey looking body
To me Haney's physique is more pleasing to the eye. Dorian has this dense grainy musculature but his muscles look short and tight. Lee has a more flowing, round physique which I like more.
Lee Haney is my favorite Bodybuilder of all time and I wanted to be like him when I was a teenager. Dorian is a great bodybuilder as well and I think Lee could have beaten him another year until Dorian decided to become the FREAK SHOW!!!!!
Lee Haney blows Yates away. Shape, symmetry, chest, back as good, arms better, better shaped legs. Haney is the 2nd Greatest to Arnold. Here came the guts! 90's forward.
I remember this Olympia and even today never understand views that Dorian chased Lee out. At this Olympia Lee was every bit as big and had far better shape and structure than Dorian IMO. You may have a point come 93, but definitely don't see it in 91 about Dorian.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning. Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits. If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right? I tell you why not : His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
I think the point here is, is that Haney was standing next to a 22 year old dude who came out of nowhere and placed 2nd to him. This dude was only going to get bigger and better and was withing touching distance of Lee, who was really maintaining at this time. So he got out before it turned into a war.
Lee left because he felt he had nothing else to accomplish. He wanted to retire after his 7th Olympia. After conversing with his best friend (his wife) she convinced to go for eight and set a new record. Lee has told the story numerous times. You do a good job for the most part Nick. Missed the mark on this one though.
Aesthetics Haney taper and graceful mass combination is pinnacle. Mass of Dorian and Ronnie were amazing but Haney was greatest combo of both. That small waist and awesome taper in at the waist. Arnold in 1974 was too.
DiabloSpiritus As was his midsection. As for the rest? Chest - no comparison. Haney has him beaten in the upper arms, delts and traps. As for the back, Yates has the condition and Haney the thickness.
In all the pics shown in this video and other videos I have seen for the last 20 yrs,, HANEY destroys Dorian yates.. Haneys back is wider, bigger and more detailed than Yates
I believe Haney would have been the champ for a couple more years after '91 Olympia. He was still superior to Dorian in terms of proportions and details.
I disagree. I think Lee held his own pretty well in the back department against Dorian. In fact Lee looks a bit superior to Dorian. @3:09- @3:15 the thickness and density in Lee's lats and traps looks almost like todays photoshopped thumbnails on youtube. But 93 Dorian would have killed any version of Haney. Though I disagree with the statement he couldn't keep up. He just had no need to. It wasnt necessary.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning. Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits. If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right? I tell you why not : His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
I yhink Lee Haney just retired at the proper time, aftrr 8 Olympia wins, Dorian just happened to come along at that time. Haney was actually bigger in they're first outing. Good job.
And at that point bodybuilding started to go down a bad road. And make it more about freak size then anything else. Which pushed bodybuilders to more drugs and eat more food to morph them into something else. My opinion is the golden era of bodybuilding was it's peak. I realize things have to evolve but, doing to wrong is what put us into bubble gut bananza and getting completely out of control as far as pleasing to the eyes and aesthetics and symmetry. It took 20 years to finally hopefully start going back to the positive direction.
Those early years of Yates' Olympia competitive career, was the best look for him in my view. Large but still aesthetic and extremely shredded. Later on he obviously became a mass monster. Great champion.
Dorian had size and conditioning from 93 onwards but even he has admitted that were better bodies up there, he knew it and he just outworked them. He also commented in one of his many recent interviews that the reason that Lee won was because he was bigger than everyone else. As others have said here, there was more left in him in terms of size, probably up to another ten pounds. Fuck that would have been amazing to see, a 260 plus bodybuilder with his symmetry.
So let me get this straight.... Haney is half an inch taller with a 32 inchwaist. And at his biggest Yates was only 1lb heavier. But based on some out of competition filtered photos he would have beat Haney. I guess Haney improving every year (except the drug test year) if not important. Haney was better and it's not even close. Three of Dorians wins were highly questionable.
Haney was perfectly balanced and structured, a true example of what Mr Olympia should look like. Dorians work ethic was second to none, but I don't find his mass look appealing.
2:18 that says it all. Lee has much better development, striations, detention, abs, just all around much better. Props to Dorian for winning, but the people would’ve just about all picked Lee
There was an interview recently where a commentator said that Haney didn't want to play the chemical warfare game. Sure he could have also been a mass monster if he had wanted to but didn't go that route. He was just 31 ,a really young age by modern standards.
Excellent video. I agree that Haney retired because he saw Yates as someone that he would probably lose to. I remember Yates winning in 1992. It is important to stress that at the time, we'd never seen anyone with Yates' size and conditioning. After one of his Olympia wins (I think it was 1995), I attended a seminar which Yates gave in the UK, at which he did some guest posing. The man had insane amounts of mass. There is no doubt that Yates revolutionized this great sport.
I must say being a fan of this channel, this video shores up a bias towards Dorian Yates, seems like Lee Haney does not impress Nick. If you think Dorian was much bigger than Lee Haney , you are looking through the eyes of a Dorian Fan
Loved both these guys. They were two reasons I go into lifting back then, I was in high school in those days and beyond just lifting for football, it was buying Muscle and Fitness mags and getting ideas and whatnot and of course these two were the standard. Great memories! Also, never noticed before that Haney had that split ab thing going on.
I see many people's opinion in this comment section.. Let's get it clear .. In 1991 .. Hell yeah Lee Haney was bigger and better that Dorian I agree 💯 % the only thing Dorian outsized Lee Haney in 1991 was just the front lat Spread pose which I got Dorian winning and his legs upto a certain point..... But overall in 91 Lee haney was the first winner Hands Down! But in 1992 Dorian would have easily beaten Lee if Lee haney had competed.. But who knows if Lee Haney would have step up his game in terms of size in 92 because of Dorian Just wanted to give props to both of em
I am glad I wasn't the only one who thought Lee Haney didn't walk away scared of Dorian, he was a clear winner in the 91 Olympia, and likely could have won 92. Haney wasn't smaller by any stretch in a single one of these photos. In fact, Dorian's chest looked tiny compared to Haney in 91. I am a huge fan of both body builders, but I have to disagree here this time with you Nate. I don't think Haney had any fear or worry in his blood against Yates.
Sorry, but Lee had nothing to worry about from Dorian in 1991. Lee would’ve probably won again if he competed. Lee was bigger than Dorian at the Olympia.
Haney could've won his 9th title albeit controversial because all long reigning Mr. Olympias had their fair share of disputed titles. Dorian really blossemed in '93 and was untouchable.
Lee Haney is one of my all time favorite Mr Olympia. His shape is what classic bodybuilding looked like back then. Not taking anything away from Dorian as he was a great Champion and he is a decent bloke, but a new breed of bodybuilder was born but I preferred the Golden Age physiques more.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar : -You're talking about competing against Dorian again? Haney : You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me : "Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?" Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it! But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.." So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! 'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege. So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE. And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??" And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that. Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED. AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY! But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN! There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Haney was smart and knew that 1991 was the last year he could expect to beat Dorian. He knew Yates was still growing and that this was a miniature version of the man who would eventually be called 'The beast with two backs'.
Great topic Nick... Near and dear to my heart.. bodybuilders in the 80's and 90's. I love Lee Haney.. I did an article on him recently. I believe he used a minimal amount of drugs to accomplish an amazing feet of # of Mr. O Victories. I met him at my America's Next Great Trainer competition at the 2015 Arnold and got to know him. His body and joints are all in amazingly great condition for what he went through. Great all around guy too.. Thanks for this awesome topic.
Really enjoyed this one Nick, lotsa memories from those times for me. My youngest son was born in February 1992, so I had that goin' on. I did prefer and still do prefer Lee Haney to any version of Dorian Yates. I believe that no matter what you do you should retire on a high note and that way any history or memories of you in that regard should be positive. So, yeah, I think Haney bailed out at the best time and I agree that he's a smart dude so he saw the writin' on the wall...up close and personal. I remember very well when Dorian emerged in 1993 as the mass monster and it was really something else. People had all sortsa crazy rumors flyin' around about how he injected this an' that to reach that size. An example of the craziness is the claim that he cycled in a certain percentage of Belgian Blue Bull blood into his bloodstream. Oh yeah. Another was something similar only it involved silverback gorilla blood. There were people who believed that nonsense, the idea of science maybe contributing to the cause was completely beyond those knuckle draggers. HaaaHaHa! It was funny stuff man, I haven't thought about that in a long while. Heh, heh thanks for the memories and the laugh. .......................................PEACE!!
I don´t think Lee Haney couldn´t play the size game. He had the same weight and size than Dorian at the time. Both were almost the same age. Lee was 31 in 1991 (still young for bodybuilding). If Lee wanted to play the size game he could grow much more. I think he was actually tired of being competing almost a decade. Won everything, had nothing more to prove and retired as a great champion, to be remembered forever as champion, not as a looser. Dexter is a living prove that is possible for a bodybuilder continue over the years having progress in mass muscle. Especially this guys who have superior genetic concerning to bodybuilding. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
You scared the shit out of me, Nick. With the number of ad breaks in this video, I thought you were headed for Kanevsky Fitness - the most non-optimum way to watch a video, in RUclips History!!
I think the title could’ve been Haney’s for a few more years if he wanted it. Lee was one of the smartest bodybuilder’s around as far as his preparation and what he needed to do to bring the package he needed to win. Lee had the best combo of mass, symmetry, aesthetics, and proportions. Dorian’s game was to be bigger than everyone. But if lee gained the extra size which he could’ve then his physique is superior to Dorian’s from the reasons I mentioned earlier. His v taper and lines give him a clear advantage if they come in the same size. I like Dorian but I think ppl don’t give lee enough props for olympia reign. they also keep hopping on this idea that Dorian could’ve beaten him or lee left because of Dorian when we all know lee wanted to retire after 7, but his wife convinced him to go for 8. If he had retired after 7 then lee and Dorian would’ve never been on stage together.
Haney is the best body builder and Mr. Olympia. He combined aesthetics, conditioning and size. Total package. 31 inch waist didn't hurt him either. No bubble gut!
I agree with Nick, up until then Lee the luxury, with his frame of outsizing most of his competition. But Dorian, who had been improving from comp to comp, something I'm sure Lee would have been aware of. So when they finally stood on stage and also realised the kind of not only physique, but mentality Dorian was also bringing I'm sure he must have realised what he was up against if he carried on. Now Lee also seems a very grounded guy and was already a legend, so probably made the sensible decision to not fight fire with fire and enjoy a healthy future. And anyway, besides the result of '91 they are both two of they greatest most respected Mr O's ever.
I sat 2 rows from the stage at the 91 Olympia. Im from the UK and hoped to see Dorian crowned Mr Olympia. In my opinion Lee Haney was light years a head of the rest of the competitors including Dorian. Lee Haney could have won as many Olympias as he wanted.
I think Lee Haney's physique was far superior to Dorian Yates , when you consider proportion, definition, Aesthetics, balance and Flow...
True
and size in 91
I agree, right guy won in 91. Could Lee Haney been getting burned out and since beating Arnold’s record saw no reason to continue?
Definitely not.
Oh yeah. Lee was the best ever. That waist.
Lee Haney was killing Dorian in those pics. Sorry
mickeal wise yea I agree. Yates transformed in 93. Haney could have for another win the following year, he should of stuck it out a couple more years
mickeal wise Especially in the chest and in the overall conditioning Lee was better.
Exactly
But he could see the rate at which Dorian was improving. No way he could match that.
@TheLusianPopa WHAT!? Pose for Pose, Haney looked better in almost every single one, and Haney's front double looked way better since Dorian had virtually NO PEAK. And Dorian may had slightly better legs but they weren't THAT much better at the time. And Dorian couldn't pose worth a shit then either and just looked awkward. Dorians chest was also weak and had a mere 4 abs, kind of 4 lol I would have Given Dorian 3rd next to Vince Taylor that year actually. Dorian simply had 2 many holes and looked uncomfortable up there and lacked confidence. Lee haney even bitch slapped him during the posedown and Dorian did nothing lol ANd that article is Peter Ms take which doesn't mean much. lol
I don't know what photos you are looking at but in my opinion Lee is much wider and his back is way thicker and wider. If Lee would have continued he still would have beat Dorian. Just my opinion....
Lee also destroyed Dorian in that side chest pose
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning.
Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much
In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits.
If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right?
I tell you why not :
His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
@@DiabloSpiritus Size maybe, but what exactly does bone structure have to do with conditioning smh
Not in 93
Compare 91 Yates to 97 Yates. He destroyed his body in just 6 years
I have to disagree with you, Nick. Lee looked bigger, more defined, and better proportioned than Dorian. I think Dorian could possibly beat Haney, but his muscle maturity did not seem on-par with Haney's. It took Dorian a couple more years to gain his incredible mass.
I think what nick is saying is true, haney looked better than Yates in 91 definitely, but that was before he got really huge and grainy; haney smashes him on aesthetics and size in 91, but in later years he'd probably have to play the size game to beat Yates, it would probably destroy haneys physique, he was the king he didn't want or need to play the size game he achieved what he wanted then left.
TLDR; Haney didn't want to kill his aesthetics playing the size game with dorian
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
He didn't say Yates was better in 91. He said Haney retired because he knew he couldn't beat him in the future. Personally I think he could have won one more year but 93 Yates would've won.
Ya, and when Dorian did gain the mass he also gained the stomach mass; he introduced massive gut
I think if Lee wanted to, he could have kept winning. He was already objectively better than Dorian in 91. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to, he was only like 30 lol. Not taking anything away from what Nick said, he knows Haney's psyche better than me.
Thats correct. Lee was better and could beat Dorian another year or more. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning.
Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much
In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits.
If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right?
I tell you why not :
His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Don't think he would have beat Dorian by 92/93...Dorians legs were on another level at that time, calves unmatched and can match Haney or beat him from the rear. I mean Dorian even beat flex wheeler in his prime.
Who knows if Lee even wanted to get bigger.
I think Haney matches just about every body part and even outsizes others with equal conditioning. He was definitely better than Dorian in 91
Nicks not saying that dorian took 91
Which is why he won...
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning.
Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much
In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits.
If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right?
I tell you why not :
His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Bicep? Chest shape?
I'm sorry Nick, I agree with just about 99.999999999% of the things you say. Not this time. Lee is clearly bigger and better than Dorian and I believe if he wanted to he could've gotten bigger. He just chose not to for good reason. His health and life was more important to him than titles. Which I commend him for. But to say he couldn't fend Dorian off is absurd. Let's not forget, in those 6 titles Dorian won, at least 3 could've went to another guy because Dorian came in off a few times🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
JoshCannon Totally (totallee?) agree. Haney overpowered Yates in 1991 (look at the two in the relaxed pose) when Haney weighed 248 and Yates 242. In ‘92 Yates (I think) weighed 238. Haney would’ve beaten that version too.
Thats correct. Lee was better and could beat Dorian another year or more. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
Not in the leg department or the arms.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning.
Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much
In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits.
If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right?
I tell you why not :
His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Could Dorian Yates' 1991 hair have been a bodybuilder?
Most certainly. I think Dorian Yates 1991 hair itself could of beat Dorian Yates
I think the answer to that question is yes.
Would've made a good He-man
Fianly i gind a hair cut most stupod than paul pogba hair
Or a WWE spectacle.
Am I the only one that is not impressed with Dorian Yates? I never was and I was bodybuilding back in these guys competition days. Lee still has the better physique.
Dorian was really impressive!
Jason McKinney
I never really cared for Dorian's physique either, but I did appreciate his back development.
IMO his front quad separation looked weird and his muscle separation always looked washed out in magazine photos.
The best Dorian was in 1993. After that everything went to shit.
There were several BBers in the 1990s who looked better than Dorian, but didn't have his grainy muscle hardness.
i agree, dorian just wasn't asthetic,i was only ever impressed by his back, nothing else....well maybe the bubblegut lol
Dorian was blockey looking. He had a thick waist which by 93 became a thick waist with a distended gh gut. Terrible aesthetics. I thought he looked his best in 92. His gut appeared in 93 and onward. The shape of his body gave him a U taper as opposed to a V taper.. he always had great condition with that grainy look but just a really odd shaped body. I actually thought Vince Taylor should have gotten 2nd in 1991
Lee Haney got 8 Olympia’s before he was the age of Ronnie when Ronnie got his first Olympia. And Lee only competed on the Olympia stage 8 times each one a win. Hands down best Mr. Olympia ever
Lee looked better and he hit his poses better than Dorian. Nick never gives Lee much credit for how great he was a bodybuilder. Dorian had not yet become the mass monster he would become yet.
Thats correct. Lee was better and could beat Dorian another year or more. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
@@DiabloSpiritus How many times are you going to keep posting this comment?Geez...
The 1991 Olympia was the first and only Olympia that I ever attended. Haney absolutely blew Yates away. His conditioning was awesome that year. There were a lot of rumours around the weekend of the show that Haney had used what bodybuilders called Eprex and cyclists called EPO to give him that "muscles bursting out of the skin" look. He certainly looked incredible. The Yates of 1992 was absolutely beatable but I'm not sure about the 1993 version.
Epo for bodybuilding? I understand the extra red blood cells for endurance but I wasn't aware of cosmetics.
Judging their physiques in this video, LH should've won.
Charles Woodruff Good thing he won!=)
Haney got rich by buying some land in Atlanta after retiring. The piece of land went up in value and Haney has a supermarket chain now. #Beasting#Everything
Thats correct. Lee was better and could beat Dorian another year or more. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
And the truth is this: Haney beat Dorian in 1991 hands-down. Dorian has never beaten Haney. That is a fact. Perhaps he would have in 1993, but that is mere speculation.
JP's Virtual Journal but that’s simply not true. Lee won the symmetry round and the posing round, Dorian won the muscularity round. This is the mandatory poses. So in a bodybuilding competition; Dorian won the round that is focused on... bodybuilding. If the competition was judged today, where posing isn’t judged and prejudging & finals are focused on the mandatory poses... who would have won?
lol perhaps? no one other than some versions of Ronnie beats 1993 Dorian...
@@timjones7336 What kind of nonsense are you talking? What you mean simply not true? EVERYTHING OP said was true. Haney beat Dorian and not vice versa. If you disagree name the contest where Dorian beat Haney?
Also, using today's rules to judge a contest in the early 90s? Why the hell would you do that? Today's rules are for today. 90s rules are for the 90s. You're supposed to use the rules that are in effect on the day of the contest, not rules 27 years later that did not exist yet.
Anthony Ng Dorian beat Haney in the boxing match at the end of Rocky III lol. The not true bit is the comment “Haney beat Dorian.. hands down”. Yes Lee beat Dorian, but it was the first time that someone had beat Haney in any round since he was Mr. Olympia. The significance is that it was the closest win of Lee’s career... to a rookie who would later go on to literally redefine what was possible.
@@timjones7336 bodybuilding judging is a joke to begin with anyways.. anyone can clearly see that Haney looks better.. I believe they only gave Yates that round just to stir things up and make it different. Dorian had terrible aesthetics. Very blockey looking body
To me Haney's physique is more pleasing to the eye. Dorian has this dense grainy musculature but his muscles look short and tight. Lee has a more flowing, round physique which I like more.
*Insert Phil's gut joke here*
Anders Gjellan Could Phil Heath gut explains that man can get pregnant too
Not possible. Gut too big.
Anders do you even have a social life mate ? I feel sorry for people like yourself...
@@stubones what the gut are you talking about?!
@@bestgirl2500 hahahahahaha
Lee Haney is my favorite Bodybuilder of all time and I wanted to be like him when I was a teenager. Dorian is a great bodybuilder as well and I think Lee could have beaten him another year until Dorian decided to become the FREAK SHOW!!!!!
No one trained harder than Dorian Yates.
Gotta respect him for that like him or not.
Lee Haney blows Yates away. Shape, symmetry, chest, back as good, arms better, better shaped legs. Haney is the 2nd Greatest to Arnold. Here came the guts! 90's forward.
I remember this Olympia and even today never understand views that Dorian chased Lee out. At this Olympia Lee was every bit as big and had far better shape and structure than Dorian IMO. You may have a point come 93, but definitely don't see it in 91 about Dorian.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning.
Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much
In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits.
If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right?
I tell you why not :
His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
I think the point here is, is that Haney was standing next to a 22 year old dude who came out of nowhere and placed 2nd to him. This dude was only going to get bigger and better and was withing touching distance of Lee, who was really maintaining at this time. So he got out before it turned into a war.
@@ChrisMisc1 22 years old?
Lee left because he felt he had nothing else to accomplish. He wanted to retire after his 7th Olympia. After conversing with his best friend (his wife) she convinced to go for eight and set a new record. Lee has told the story numerous times. You do a good job for the most part Nick. Missed the mark on this one though.
Dorian was not a bodybuilder. He was a BODYBUILDER.
Could Dorian Yates have been a belt abuser?
Larry's Belt loll good one...
Aesthetics Haney taper and graceful mass combination is pinnacle. Mass of Dorian and Ronnie were amazing but Haney was greatest combo of both. That small waist and awesome taper in at the waist. Arnold in 1974 was too.
Dorian was not bigger than Lee Haney in 1991.
Thats correct. Lee was better and could beat Dorian another year or more. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
His legs were bigger.
DiabloSpiritus As was his midsection. As for the rest? Chest - no comparison. Haney has him beaten in the upper arms, delts and traps. As for the back, Yates has the condition and Haney the thickness.
Lee's chest and back overshadowed the Shadow in 91.
100% agree. LEE`S 1991 condition was better than Yates in 1992...Now 1993 Yates would have smoked all.
In all the pics shown in this video and other videos I have seen for the last 20 yrs,, HANEY destroys Dorian yates.. Haneys back is wider, bigger and more detailed than Yates
Chest, width , V taper, Abs, smaller waist, even the back here all seem to go to Lee Haney so I'm confused.
That shift is a shame. Dorian had some freaky grainy and size but I still like what haney brought
I believe Haney would have been the champ for a couple more years after '91 Olympia. He was still superior to Dorian in terms of proportions and details.
I think you missed the part where he mentions the judges wanted a shift from those aspects.
I disagree. I think Lee held his own pretty well in the back department against Dorian. In fact Lee looks a bit superior to Dorian. @3:09- @3:15 the thickness and density in Lee's lats and traps looks almost like todays photoshopped thumbnails on youtube. But 93 Dorian would have killed any version of Haney. Though I disagree with the statement he couldn't keep up. He just had no need to. It wasnt necessary.
Thats correct. Lee was better and could beat Dorian another year or more. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
Lee Haney didn't have the bone structure neither in his arms, nor his legs to compete with Dorian in the game of size and crazy conditioning.
Haney even talked about how he had already peaked. That his body could only take so much
In the 91' Mr. Olympia, Haney was 248 pounds, while Dorian was a mere 242, YET Dorian was an upcoming bodybuilder that challenged Haney like no one ever had, beat him in the muscularity round, which was always a given to Lee Haney, and basically forced him to retire sooner than he could've anticipated, given the fact that Haney was only 31 years of age when he decided to call it quits.
If he felt confident about pursuing more sandows based on his competition, he would've gone for it, why not, right?
I tell you why not :
His competition had Dorian Yates in it.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
@@DiabloSpiritus yates had worse arm genetics than almost any Mr.Olympia beside Dickerson.
@@DiabloSpiritus Interesting. I don't remember ever reading or hearing that before. Cool.
IMHO Dorian looked his BEST here, no injuries, no stomach, looked INCREDIBLE!!!!
3:25 how is "Yates much wider"? I simply don't get it. Lee to me looks wider
I don’t think Lee retired because of Dorian. Lee beat him easily that year
Thats correct. Lee was better and could beat Dorian another year or more. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Wasn't easily he lost the muscularity round to him. So it was close. Facts.
Dam Nick was born in 1993? He sounds like he's 45 and has been smoking for 20 years lol
he's wise beyond his years and has a deep manly voice for sure
And you posted on his video
Outlaw
LOL. Nick definitely has a grown man voice.
I bet he freaked out his teachers in middle school with that bass.
Lol
🚬.... Lol
He should be a radio host
I yhink Lee Haney just retired at the proper time, aftrr 8 Olympia wins, Dorian just happened to come along at that time. Haney was actually bigger in they're first outing. Good job.
And at that point bodybuilding started to go down a bad road. And make it more about freak size then anything else. Which pushed bodybuilders to more drugs and eat more food to morph them into something else. My opinion is the golden era of bodybuilding was it's peak. I realize things have to evolve but, doing to wrong is what put us into bubble gut bananza and getting completely out of control as far as pleasing to the eyes and aesthetics and symmetry. It took 20 years to finally hopefully start going back to the positive direction.
Those early years of Yates' Olympia competitive career, was the best look for him in my view. Large but still aesthetic and extremely shredded. Later on he obviously became a mass monster. Great champion.
Dorian had size and conditioning from 93 onwards but even he has admitted that were better bodies up there, he knew it and he just outworked them. He also commented in one of his many recent interviews that the reason that Lee won was because he was bigger than everyone else. As others have said here, there was more left in him in terms of size, probably up to another ten pounds. Fuck that would have been amazing to see, a 260 plus bodybuilder with his symmetry.
Dorian OWNS the back...period
Could Dorian Yates have chosen to identify as a stingray?
In today's world most definitely, in the 1990s...nope. We didn't do that stuff back then. Heh, heh.
Lee Haney . I Am One Hundred percent sure👌👏 one of the greatest Body Builders
So let me get this straight....
Haney is half an inch taller with a 32 inchwaist. And at his biggest Yates was only 1lb heavier.
But based on some out of competition filtered photos he would have beat Haney. I guess Haney improving every year (except the drug test year) if not important.
Haney was better and it's not even close. Three of Dorians wins were highly questionable.
Haney was perfectly balanced and structured, a true example of what Mr Olympia should look like. Dorians work ethic was second to none, but I don't find his mass look appealing.
I still have the magazine with those black and white photo's of Dorian and I can remember thinking this guy is massive! Thanks for sharing.
Gotta love me some Nicks strength and power
2:18 that says it all. Lee has much better development, striations, detention, abs, just all around much better. Props to Dorian for winning, but the people would’ve just about all picked Lee
Nick do a video on
Bracelet vs Rolex.
This is an excellent idea.
Well for starters one ya steal and the other ya win......so there's that.
There was an interview recently where a commentator said that Haney didn't want to play the chemical warfare game. Sure he could have also been a mass monster if he had wanted to but didn't go that route. He was just 31 ,a really young age by modern standards.
Haneys relaxed pose (1:52) defined his winning the Olympia he was simply the biggest
Excellent video. I agree that Haney retired because he saw Yates as someone that he would probably lose to. I remember Yates winning in 1992. It is important to stress that at the time, we'd never seen anyone with Yates' size and conditioning. After one of his Olympia wins (I think it was 1995), I attended a seminar which Yates gave in the UK, at which he did some guest posing. The man had insane amounts of mass. There is no doubt that Yates revolutionized this great sport.
Thank you Nick!!
These Are some awesome videos brother!!
I must say being a fan of this channel, this video shores up a bias towards Dorian Yates, seems like Lee Haney does not impress Nick. If you think Dorian was much bigger than Lee Haney , you are looking through the eyes of a Dorian Fan
Loved both these guys. They were two reasons I go into lifting back then, I was in high school in those days and beyond just lifting for football, it was buying Muscle and Fitness mags and getting ideas and whatnot and of course these two were the standard. Great memories! Also, never noticed before that Haney had that split ab thing going on.
I see many people's opinion in this comment section.. Let's get it clear ..
In 1991 .. Hell yeah Lee Haney was bigger and better that Dorian I agree 💯 % the only thing Dorian outsized Lee Haney in 1991 was just the front lat Spread pose which I got Dorian winning and his legs upto a certain point..... But overall in 91 Lee haney was the first winner Hands Down!
But in 1992 Dorian would have easily beaten Lee if Lee haney had competed.. But who knows if Lee Haney would have step up his game in terms of size in 92 because of Dorian
Just wanted to give props to both of em
Clearly Lee Haney was in better shape than Dorian in all departments
Could gut have Heath been a Phil?
Lol
Lol ur joke is soo bad it's good ;)
Lol busted out laughing
Funniest comment of the day for me. Lmao
Great work as always Nick!
I am glad I wasn't the only one who thought Lee Haney didn't walk away scared of Dorian, he was a clear winner in the 91 Olympia, and likely could have won 92. Haney wasn't smaller by any stretch in a single one of these photos. In fact, Dorian's chest looked tiny compared to Haney in 91. I am a huge fan of both body builders, but I have to disagree here this time with you Nate. I don't think Haney had any fear or worry in his blood against Yates.
Nick I've been waiting for this specific video, and it didnt disappoint.
I was waiting this video Thx bro 💪🏻
Thank you for the video Nick
Sorry, but Lee had nothing to worry about from Dorian in 1991. Lee would’ve probably won again if he competed. Lee was bigger than Dorian at the Olympia.
Congrats on 600K+ subs
Lee Haney looks better in my eyes in this video I don't see how Dorian Yates is bigger can someone tell me,?
Haney could've won his 9th title albeit controversial because all long reigning Mr. Olympias had their fair share of disputed titles. Dorian really blossemed in '93 and was untouchable.
It's symptomatic we prefer to talk about Haney and Yates 20 years after the Dorian won his last Mr. O and not about the current bodybuilders .
Sir you are the best expert in the bodybuilding community. You channel is where I get most of my information.
Could Phil Heath's gut have been a WWE contract?
n n naaa!
Lee Haney is one of my all time favorite Mr Olympia. His shape is what classic bodybuilding looked like back then. Not taking anything away from Dorian as he was a great Champion and he is a decent bloke, but a new breed of bodybuilder was born but I preferred the Golden Age physiques more.
Dorian's glutes, calves, and hams were way ahead, but I loved Lee's waist.
I would say that Lee would still had beaten Yates in 92 but not 93 plus Lee was bigger than Yates
Yates just had thicker muscle bellies.
Thats correct. Lee was better and could beat Dorian another year or more. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
Question for Lee Haney during the 2012 former Olympias seminar :
-You're talking about competing against Dorian again?
Haney :
You think??....OH NO!....I recall him in Atlanta, Dorian asked me. We're having a meal, and he says to me :
"Lee, what do you think if we go at it again?"
Then I said : "Dorian, have you lost your mind??..I'm going fishing! Forget, you know, staging with you again, that was it!
But, you know, I'd heard a lot about Dorian pryor to the 91' Olympia. I hadn't seen him, but I'd heard about him.."God, Lee, this guy is big, he's got size just like you do, and dah, dah, dah.."
So, anyway...then, when I saw him for the first time, in person....man..HE WAS A MONSTER, SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
'Cause I felt, you know? that in the era which I grew up, and I was blessed to come along at a time that I had a chance to step on the stage with Robbie Robinson, Roy Callender, Frank Zane, Mohamed Makkawy, and Sergio Oliva....and please...I DID NOT compete against Sergio Oliva, he was guest posing, I just happened to be there on the stage with them that night (he meant to say that Sergio was not SERGIO anymore, he was old and not in shape) which was awesome and a privilege.
So. I had a chance to see and catch the tail end of a very rewarding and magical era.....but, when I was standing there with Dorian and looking at him and knowing that I had my whole vigilance developed to develop a physique that was in line with an Arnold, a Robbie, a Lou, a Zane, that was my whole psyche when I went to work to train AND I FELT I WAS THAT PARTICULAR PACKAGE.
And I felt that as long as I represented that package with a polished presentation, that it would be hard to beat that, because that was what the industry was looking for during that era....WHEN DORIAN STEPPED ON THAT STAGE, I SAID : "OH, MY GOODNESS ANOTHER ONE LIKE ME!!??"
And so, I felt that I had to be at MY VERY BEST in order to beat him. I knew that I was more seasoned when it came to my presentation than he was. So I had the ups on that.
Then I also noted, that wearing the 31 inch waist didn't hurt either. So, at that particular time, I knew that "beauty was in the eye of the beholder" (which was the judges), I had no power over their decision at that particular time. I just knew I had to bring the best package, that I possibly can to that event, AND THE SHIFT WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY RULED.
AND IF IT WAS DORIAN, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE HIM, AND IF IT WAS ME, THEN IT WAS GONNA BE ME, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA GO EITHER WAY!
But I felt that I had the "ups" on him, because I had "the big boys experience", BUT I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT HIM AGAIN!
There was enough fighting...FOR DORIAN!
Nice video, keep up the good work!
Haney was smart and knew that 1991 was the last year he could expect to beat Dorian. He knew Yates was still growing and that this was a miniature version of the man who would eventually be called 'The beast with two backs'.
All of us agree wholeheartedly that Nick's opinion here is waaaaaaay off. Thanks
Have to say Lee Haney for me was in a class of his own even with Dorian Yates on stage.
Great topic Nick... Near and dear to my heart.. bodybuilders in the 80's and 90's. I love Lee Haney.. I did an article on him recently. I believe he used a minimal amount of drugs to accomplish an amazing feet of # of Mr. O Victories. I met him at my America's Next Great Trainer competition at the 2015 Arnold and got to know him. His body and joints are all in amazingly great condition for what he went through. Great all around guy too.. Thanks for this awesome topic.
Great video!
Really enjoyed this one Nick, lotsa memories from those times for me. My youngest son was born in February 1992, so I had that goin' on. I did prefer and still do prefer Lee Haney to any version of Dorian Yates. I believe that no matter what you do you should retire on a high note and that way any history or memories of you in that regard should be positive. So, yeah, I think Haney bailed out at the best time and I agree that he's a smart dude so he saw the writin' on the wall...up close and personal. I remember very well when Dorian emerged in 1993 as the mass monster and it was really something else. People had all sortsa crazy rumors flyin' around about how he injected this an' that to reach that size. An example of the craziness is the claim that he cycled in a certain percentage of Belgian Blue Bull blood into his bloodstream. Oh yeah. Another was something similar only it involved silverback gorilla blood. There were people who believed that nonsense, the idea of science maybe contributing to the cause was completely beyond those knuckle draggers. HaaaHaHa! It was funny stuff man, I haven't thought about that in a long while. Heh, heh thanks for the memories and the laugh. .......................................PEACE!!
great video nick, as always!
could you put the pictures next to each other next time, for comparison? ;)
It's really rare pics and videos . Thanks for sharing.
Can you share more videos.
I don´t think Lee Haney couldn´t play the size game. He had the same weight and size than Dorian at the time. Both were almost the same age. Lee was 31 in 1991 (still young for bodybuilding). If Lee wanted to play the size game he could grow much more. I think he was actually tired of being competing almost a decade. Won everything, had nothing more to prove and retired as a great champion, to be remembered forever as champion, not as a looser. Dexter is a living prove that is possible for a bodybuilder continue over the years having progress in mass muscle. Especially this guys who have superior genetic concerning to bodybuilding. He could have kept getting bigger and better if he needed to.
I totally disagree that LEE
could have WON 10 Mr O
titles 🏆
You scared the shit out of me, Nick. With the number of ad breaks in this video, I thought you were headed for Kanevsky Fitness - the most non-optimum way to watch a video, in RUclips History!!
I think the title could’ve been Haney’s for a few more years if he wanted it. Lee was one of the smartest bodybuilder’s around as far as his preparation and what he needed to do to bring the package he needed to win. Lee had the best combo of mass, symmetry, aesthetics, and proportions. Dorian’s game was to be bigger than everyone. But if lee gained the extra size which he could’ve then his physique is superior to Dorian’s from the reasons I mentioned earlier. His v taper and lines give him a clear advantage if they come in the same size. I like Dorian but I think ppl don’t give lee enough props for olympia reign. they also keep hopping on this idea that Dorian could’ve beaten him or lee left because of Dorian when we all know lee wanted to retire after 7, but his wife convinced him to go for 8. If he had retired after 7 then lee and Dorian would’ve never been on stage together.
Imagine if Haney jumped on thr Mass train 😨
he would have ruined what makes him great
93 Yates is such a monster
Crowd was screaming lee haney for 2nd place
Dorian still more remembered than Lee Haney
Haney is the best body builder and Mr. Olympia. He combined aesthetics, conditioning and size. Total package. 31 inch waist didn't hurt him either. No bubble gut!
Lee saw the writing on the wall.
1:36 Dorian has weird shoulders. Lee Haney has the better overall look here. He also has a steeper V cut under his pecs.
I agree with Nick, up until then Lee the luxury, with his frame of outsizing most of his competition.
But Dorian, who had been improving from comp to comp, something I'm sure Lee would have been aware of.
So when they finally stood on stage and also realised the kind of not only physique, but mentality Dorian was also bringing I'm sure he must have realised what he was up against if he carried on.
Now Lee also seems a very grounded guy and was already a legend, so probably made the sensible decision to not fight fire with fire and enjoy a healthy future.
And anyway, besides the result of '91 they are both two of they greatest most respected Mr O's ever.
You are spoiling us - every day a new interesting video. No wounder you gain 1000 subs per day. Any 600K giveaways?
lee was the better bodybuilder in my eyes by far.
Good content nick
Lee may have held Dorian off 1 more time but not after 93
I sat 2 rows from the stage at the 91 Olympia.
Im from the UK and hoped to see Dorian crowned Mr Olympia. In my opinion Lee Haney was light years a head of the rest of the competitors including Dorian. Lee Haney could have won as many Olympias as he wanted.
Lee could have beaten dorian in 92..but not 93.. no one ever could beat 93 dorian yates..