DCS: JF-17 Thunder First Impressions & First Flight!
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- This is my first flight in the JF-17 Thunder from Deka Ironworks Simulations, I also share my first impressions of the jet. So far I am super impressed by the work Deka has put into this quirky little fighter with an interesting history.
I believe that the Thunder is going to become a favorite of DCS World pilots, for its simplicity, forgiving flying characteristics and vast array of unique weaponry. Congrats to Deka on releasing their first module. I look forward to the proposed Block II variant with a refueling probe to extend this jet's short legs!
Enjoy my first flight in the JF-17 Thunder!
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CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz
Memory: 32 GB RAM
Current resolution: 2560 x 1080, 144Hz
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I actually want to try to build the JF-17 Thunder with Lego☺️
With the slav mode its way easier to find the targets with the targeting pod!
Actually it is not their first aircraft
Which is more aglie and better in dogfight mirage 2000c or jf17
I was a joint-venture of PAkistan and China.... (not china manufacturing for Pakistan)
Thanks Spudknocker - An interesting perspective on an interesting aircraft design. At first glance the JF-17 seems to be quite out of place here in 2020. This is considering its obvious mashup of vintage 1960s-1970s Western warplane design/styling and lack of 21st century technology such as thrust vectoring, stealth, etc. But since it has modern weapons and decent avionics, appears to fly well, and with a much smaller price tag than US/European offerings, the JF-17 seems like a great effort by Pakistan to help keep rival India on its toes. I can certainly understand why Pakistan is proud of the JF-17.
The whole design theory was to have an aircraft that could be easily upgraded over time to include all the modern weapons systems that the Chinese could offer, like 200km+ BVR air to air missiles, powerful AESA radars, electronic jamming, targetting pods, head-mounted displays, and the list continues. In modern combat, if a fighter jet is which has more situational awareness, and is more aggressive, will come out on top. This regime for air-to-air combat will continue for the foreseeable future, and jets like JF17, will not be behind in this race. Good job Pakistan Aeronautical Complex!
Thanks Jumbo for your positive views regarding JF 17s.....Jf 17 block 3 would be more effective as it would consist of AESA radar along with PL12s and PL 15s BVR missiles installed.... 🇵🇰🇵🇰
Kind of meant to fill a similar role to the f 16
you have summed it up very well from a neutral perspective and limited information.
people involved in the project throughout the different stages of its life cycle are really proud of it. its a big deal for a country that had limited infrastructure to develop entire fighter jet inhouse.
it as never meant to have stealth and thrust vectoring. not many western 4.5 Generation jets have them either. but what it does have like many other western jets is AESA radar and BVR capable missiles..
Nice aircraft!! Congratulations Pakistan for this
Thanks bro for if 17.
Nice isro your space agency.
You should have congratulated the Russian MIKOYAN for developing the Prototype and Chinese for developing its Assembly line.
@@awhig2474 My ignorance. I knew that Chinese copied it from somewhere but didn't know it was a Russian design. I am an all time fan of Russian aircrafts and pilots !!
@@fazilkians it's not a Russian design. It's literally deigned BY Pakistan with help from initially USA, then by Russians and Chinese. It's Pakistani design through an through.
@@awhig2474 It was initially a joint project by America and china, then later america dropped it and pakistan picke it up. Both china and pakistan then saw the project thru.
Wow, such a nice review, makes me proud of our achievement. It was a single guy’s dream, ACM shahid Latif, who made the shift from Super 7 , which was just a buffed up mig 21 to the Jf17 , given his experience with the F16 , he modeled almost everything he could and better where possible in as limited a budget as he could. That’s an inspirational story in itself. Of course Kudos to the Chinese engineering team which designed a nifty jet and mated all the components sourced from all over the world still work in a straightforward, no bullshit manner. Actually PaF s pilots used to stress on airshows when asked why jf17 has no twin seater, that its such an easy plane to fly that you don’t need a twin seat for training. PAF itself used simulators to train pilots on it for Operational conversation on the type and this mod by Deka shows it in true spirit.
Hope to see more from your channel,
Meanwhile in India :
*The tea was fantastic*
Love from Bangladesh
🇧🇩❤️🇵🇰
Even the RAPE of Bangladeshis by Pakistani Army was "FANTASTIC" ... remember that??
@@awhig2474 yep, even the rape of Biharis by Bangladeshi soldiers was also *FANTASTIC* , remember that?
@@absolutegamert2889
O! Yes.
And they continue to languish in ghetto camps even after 48 years.
That is also FANTASTIC
www.dawn.com/news/1522385/history-the-fall-of-dhaka-from-bihari-eyes
India did more negative things than positive to Bangladesh.
@@awhig2474 nice reply:)
CAC = Chengdu Aircraft Corporation
PAC = Pakistan Aeronautical Complex
Oops I figured I messed that up.... Oh well haha ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Spudknocker how did you make that in your comment?
(~_~)?
Absolute GamerT ಠ_ಠ google it and then copy and paste
🙋🏻♂️🙋🏻♂️🙋🏻♂️ Let me put up a correction
Its not only developed by China for Pakistan
Its developed by joint venture project as Names JF (joint fighter)
Both Pakistan and china developed this
Pakistan is primary user
Now its 58 to 60% of parts are developing in Pakistan in PAC and 40 to 42 in china and completely assambled in Pakistan
In future by Block 4 in future its will be completely developed in Pakistan.
And in simulation its some where between block 2 and block 1
Not completely block 2
And in Q1 2020 the JF 17B and And Block 3 is being inducted.
With HMD AESA redar and much mor
The block 3 in not only in simulation but in real time it will be counter part be able to compete with F16V and many of its class in 3rd of their price about 32 to 40 million $
Don't forget jf-17 block 3 will also have PL-15 air to air missile which has range of something like 130 to 180kms I think!
they are working very hard on jf-17 because india nowadays is getting Raphael from france and Pakistan f-16 are of block 52 so they are working very hard on it to present it as serious competitor to those of India's su-30mki and Raphael!
Waiting very passionately for jf-17 block3.
@@edwardcan5179 300km range
@@captainfantastic1641 no wayyyy.
Neither is the range of pl-15 that long neither klj-7a radar is that capable!
@@edwardcan5179you might be right i just read it on internet im not much of aviation person im more like a navy person...
@@captainfantastic1641 That's another missile people used to think was PL-15 but turns out to be a different project.
god this thing looks so much fun to fly
Its a lot of fun!
I've only just started flying it but my opinion on it is what I thought it was going to be. It's the MiG 21/F-5 of the 21st century. Not too quick, not a huge payload, not a whole lot of range but it can do anything you'd want a 4th gen multirole jet to do simplly and cheaply.
I was waiting for a jet like this. Its really fun to fly the hornet, the viper and the mirage but the FBW system takes out raw fun factor of flying these birds. A LOT of capabilities sure , and pretty cool to use and know all the systems , but when it comes to pure flying experience it lacks imho. Something like the Tomcat is fun for sure , the best flying experience so far in dcs but then again lacks in modernity.. The JF-17 is like a sweet spot that no other aircraft has atm in DCS. Im so glad a new player like Deka comes in and add this beauty. Like a breath of fresh air.
@@het61yt this is the best plane of pakistani airforce
Mykee Ouellet Well said.
Pakistan Airforce Cafeteria Bill
Item: Tea
Price: Mig-21
comments: "Tea was fantastic!"
hahaha....
Uncalled for!!
Item: MiG-21 Price: Kashmir (Azadi)
Tea + f16
Please no...
Your thoughts are the same as mine. A great little jet that's been executed well.
100% dude!
Love your content brother! Keep up the great work SPUD! Looking forward to more JF-17 videos!
External lights on release holy shit ED need to take notes. lol
Lol. Deka really raised the bar. Hopefully belsim and ED took notes on Deka and heatblur.
And a damage model. Shocking that all the 3rd parties can release completed planes and ED has still not finished the 2 year old F-18. ED really needs to just work on the engine and allow 3rd parties to make all the vehicles. Then take a percentage of sales from those 3rd parties.
*JF-17.....Hunter of IAF Mig 21 & SU30 dated 27-02-2019*
in your dreams
@@vishvajitkumar9497 if reality in his dreams.
@@worldpeace7696 pokistan thinks her dream are reality like pakistan win 1965, 1971,1999 kargil war. surgical strike did not happen, osama bin ladan not in pakistan and your junk fighter 17 short down su 30 and mig 21.
it was f-16 not jf-17
It was f16s that shot su30 and mig
21
jf17 was used to as escorte mirage package its stated from official paf website
Stop making shit up
I have a Jf-17 model sitting on my desk with the same weapons configuration!
Mr Khan that’s cool!
Mr Khan kahan se liya tha aap nay model
Great Bro..... It's a very well capable multi role aircraft..... 👍👍
I have it too!
Anas Mansoor Nice mate, you collect models aswell?
So you know, the reason the cockpit textures aren't quite up to par is their texture artist ended up in hospital for a few months. They're working on it though.
BlueNexus I hope he’s ok!
just so you know, the auto rotation isn't supposed to be used for normal operations. The auto rotate seems to be more of a safety feature. Just putting this out there to prevent any bad habits from forming.
Interesting I thought it was SOP to let it Auto-Rotate
@@Spudknocker it doesn't seems so, if you watch the video put out by the developer yesterday they say they want you to rotate at 120kts and hold at 10 degrees pitch and let it fly off the ground.
@@traffictraffic ah... I see, maybe I misinterpreted that
JF 17. The killer of Mig 21 and Su 30 on February 27, 2019. God, that was awesome. Remember the name, JF 17.
As a interesting fact, this aircraft gave CAC so much experience of developing their product for PLA airforce. Shenyang Aircraft Corporation was the major dealer in China before that since they totally made SU27 domestic as PLA's major air superiority fighter. But after JF17 as a huge step for an export fighter, many variants for J-10 (recently fitted with thrust vectoring), now they produce J-20, a stealth fighter that everyone in China respect. JF17, although being a small step, definitely helped a nameless aeronautical corporation achieved their leading role in Chinese military aircraft industry.
This is jointly created by PAC and CAC
China haven't equiped these
I'm from Pakistan. PAF is testing Block 3 daily before go into production. it got AESA radar plus Pakistan has made one special for block 3.
Jf17 block3 sachi complete huwa
Nahi abhi nahi
Gah I wish I had not just picked up the F16 so recently. Cant justify spending another 70$ on an air frame so similar, even though this one looks better :(
@Cameron Huxford in terms of weapons,radar,fully functional systems in place that other modules are lacking months if not years after release then yes, it does look better. that ground/sea radar is also badass.
You're better off with an F16
JF17 participate anatolian eagle 2019 along F16 of TUAF and F15 eagles of USAF
They sure did!
would like to see footage
@@rickstorm8948 give link if u find
ruclips.net/video/Np8JYOHpws0/видео.html
This is what I have🤷
@@rickstorm8948 can't provide the footage but you can find several images for that exercise. Plus it participated in Gulf Shield exercise 2018 where it flew with and against F-16, F-15, EFT and F-18 and and banged Saudi F-15s (not taking anything away from F-15s though as Saudi pilots aren't good enough I guess)
Love from pakistan😘
Thanks for the cool jet Pakistan!
and China don't forget they helped too
@@caribbaviator7058 infact this module for dcs is also made by a chinese company
@@anaesthesia3571 i heard they are Russian
@@SaadKhan-kx1dq dekka ironworks.nah .Chinese hain
FYI, JF-17 can fire Sidewinder missiles since it incorporates STD-1553 bus system.
And $25 million per unit is the export price. The real cost for PAC to build for their air force is cheaper than that.
That's the price for Block I, I imagine later blocks would be more expensive.
@@chromitehertz9016 Block 1 cost was around $15 - $17 million USD. The export price of JF-17 block 2 is $25 million with Azerbaijan getting the deal close to $20 per unit.
Block 3 is expected to hit $30 million export price tag.
And we know Block 3 is a Top tier Aircraft...
LOVE Pakistan Air Force
Yeah our tea is fantastic😋😋😅😅
Yes it is
Do you have want to have our tea... Pls visit us.. 😊🇵🇰
I dont have this plane yet, but it will be my favorite jet pretty soon :)
It shot down two Randian (Endian) Mig-21s and one SU-30 on 27 February 2019
and captured Endian pilot in Pakistan said a famous thing "Tea is Fantastic"
Lol you wish buddy. It did not do anything apart from escorting your f16 which got shot down by abhinandans mig 21.
Don't bring in politics into this....just enjoy the jet
@@karanvarma4843 I believe u did not saw what our Air Force showed wreckage of Abinadan Mig, all missiles are fully attach with aircraft wings. Your air force fool u guys. Americans counts all F16s in our inventory. All r well & sound.
@@farhanhussain3636 they dint even count anything 🤣...u junk flying piss poor country
@@AbhaySharma-xu6jn first learn English.
As of 2013, its made in Pakistan at PAC, Kamra. 58% of the airframe is Pakistani & 42% is Chinese.
I want to get it, if anything just to have an aircraft that's not strictly blufor/redfor. Plus it looks really fun, been following it for a while now.
The HUD and MFDs are easier to read at 810p with your high FOV angle from 2m back behind a 24" screen than the F-16's are in the Rift. And my eyes do suck at 2m. That alone makes the JF-17 the winner.
I was hoping to give this a day one purchase but can't afford it right now. Had a few fights against it and it seems a pretty handy aircraft, quite hard to spot and hit and manouverable too
Great video and review. I bought it today, but haven’t had a chance to fly it yet. Key word: yet. 😊
get to it buddy!
No indian's going mad for no reason in the comment section?
YAY victory!!!
@Zayed Haroon yes but i'm afraid they'll scream there opinions in the comments anyway :/
@Zayed Haroon good just don't put cow milk in it will you? Its sacred
@@johnnymigouel7228 oof
Indians don't have internet. And they can't afford DCS. (Neither can Pakistanis for that matter lol)
Bitching Betty is Sweet Little Betty in this aircraft.
from another video I seen there are 5 different voice options for this jet, some in English and some in Chinese, but yeah this voice is more of a soothing Suzy than a bitchin betty
@@Knightfang1 there two English and two Chinese. And the fifth version is the custom voice option.
Chinese betty lol
I love how Heat Blur set the bar so high that everyone now compare any Modules to them
After that comes mig 21 bis it is a excellent module
What a great review-will be buying soon......very soon.
What a nice little bird. I realy like it when you talk about the history of Aircrafts, Weapons and Stuff. Keep it going
Man that cockpit arch is 1980s huge. Glad these things have the telltale redfor smoke trail. :) Lovely looking plane to fly and being nearly complete at release is just icing on the cake. Love the parachute effects. LOL
runs on coal like the Mig 29 lol
@@phatblasterd3501 what
Thanks brother for supporting.love from Pakistan.
Excellent review and excellent work by Ironworks simulations and excellent jet by Pakistani air force.
I heard folks from CAC who designed J10 and J20 actually helped the development of this pack.
大家都懂，，。。
@@刘晟哲-e2w 我一开始很惊讶体制内这么时髦
I am not surprised that some folks chose a career they like since they were kids.
not many young Chinese people are willing to do aerospace engineering nowadays, people born in the real socialism time chose the path to design planes for real patriotism
@@magickb7255 哈哈哈哈我也是
I'm loving this thing so far. In a weird way it feels like the Mirage++. It's like that same tight, contained little thing, but with some better stuff.
Thank You Spudknocer for such an amazing demonstration for the JF17 Thunder. Love from Pakistan.
This Aircraft will make you fall in love with the Tea ☕😂😂😂
Yes😅😅😅😋
Nice review mate
Those knobs on the UFC are like huge 😲
External lights in the 14 16 and 18 are utter pants...wish they would just sort it out.
Don't get me started on the chin mount for the 18 pod lol
Its good to see a plan in computer simulation. I fly this jet in real life by the way.. Its is amazing peace of hardware..
Woww
Thank you for your service good sir.
Khaabo mai
Love from USA🇺🇸🇺🇸
Great video Spud. As always.
Early access? How many systems working, it looks like they got a lot working now.
Pakistani American here, this is a real neat aircraft, enjoying these updates, I wish everyone back in Pakistan well especially PAC, I thank China for their cooperation, the United States for its cooperation in providing Pakistan the F16s and early designs which became the basis for this aircraft imho, wishing the best to all of you in Europe and Russia for the avionics, the engine, this is truly an international achievement and a model of cooperation between nations and that's what i and many Pakistanis are truly proud of, am really enjoying this, God bless you all.
Really impressive!!
Amazing video with great explanation.
Thank you!
Due to the slow progression on the f16 and the bugs i keep encountering with it regarding aim120c missiles, i decided to shelve that module and try this instead.
Me: Hang on a sec, Spud; I'll pause your vid so I can read some hate comments... Stand by.
Two hours later...
I pour some tea and play the vid!
Hahahahaha 😅
Nice review bruh 😂 and yes indeed, flying this baby is as fun as an F-16
love from PAF
Great video. I am still trying to make up my mind on getting this one. While searching for the second cargo, I would have love you to test out the air to ground radar on SEA mode to find the target. I have only gone through Chuck's guide and I am not sure how the fuel indicator works but noticed something on the leftward totalizer indicator on the EPI1 page. Indicator was like half point on the indicator after second bomb release but at 40.00 on the video track, fuel total indicator went almost full again.
Does this aircraft comes with default hotas key bind that you could modify to your preference? That usually provides an easy platform to start with. Thanks for sharing.
Does it have PL-15 missile at launch?
No
Bvr is boring
Yes Pak used PL on block 2
Amazing aircraft JF17 Thunder rocks. 👌🏻
Total making time is in 5 years that might be a record itself.
One important thing to mention, it was Air Marshal Shahid Latif (Someone who was a squadron leader then and flew Pakistan's first ever F16, when they were acquired from the US on 15 January 1983) who made it a reality ( of course the chinese were asked to be partners). So Pakistan Aeronautical complex ( PAC) and Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) jointly developed it.
Cheers :)
Pakistan had years of expertise of flying f-16s and other western jets.
So they knew about those western technologies very very well.
So they set f-16 as a benchmark and worked on jf-17.
China didn't had and still don't have any real air fight experience and had no experience of western technology but they had one thing which was there hardware manufacturing infrastructure.
So Pakistan used it's experience, software ,designing and brain while utilising China's hardware manufacturing capability.
So finally the jf-17 was made...
Waiting for jf-17 block 3 passionately.
like for solid gold G wagons and Tom Cruise hanging on the side of Burj Khalifa ... that cracked me up!
JF17 and F16 with Aim 120 shot IAF Mig 21 and Su 30 this February
Su-30 never got scratch
JF-17, making I.A.F shake in fear and run to their media for cover since 2008
💪🇵🇰
You can fire the PL-5 at 10 nm, this missile is actually not good for super short range
well as i said I really messed up the engagement, its a new jet I'll get better
@@Spudknocker We are all learning right now. Also, remember to arm the fuse of the bomb first ;)
@@arlenn729 Ah roger noticed that in editing haha
@@arlenn729 Yeah, that happened to me too. It's annoying each pylon has to be reset for the fuses. lol
What makes landing in Nellis hard? I fly the F18 and normally my landing are ok. I miss a bit the Papi lights.
Stunning Fighter Jet and deadly. Killed a MIG 21 and SU 30 on the same day while sipping tea.
Can you clarify where you got the info in the video that the INS is a commercial system used by private jets and that the avionics integration was done by Thompson?
It will be the best in class for taxiing, was number 1 on the design specifications.
VS is velocity scan, not vertical scan - unless you enter the ACM, then it's "VT" on the HUD.
Gas consumption of a Honda Civic wow, I had to get up to 20k pounds of gas for the Tomcat Gas guzzler :D :D
Tea is Fantastic
Thanks for posting this.
I am not from India,neither from Pakistan but I have to say,the jf-17 is way better than the hal tejas.
Predator you’re not wrong!
I have a bakery which makes around 1000 hal tejas everyday along with ketchup and chutni , I can deliver it to you if you want?
@@saifulmomin8916 😅😅😅😅😅plz one for me
Such a beauty this machine is. Well done Pakistan Airforce.!
Deka has said this is modeled after the Block-1 variant. Block-3 supposed flying in few months.
Jf17 is a brain child of 1 person he was Pakistan air chief Air Marshal shahid latif .
@HALAKO KHAN He was vice AC
Lovely and popular aircraft
cool video I gave it a thumbs up. I have a question, at the start of the video there is a Hornet with the wings folded, how did you do that? I always spawn with the wings unfolded, even in cold starts.
These are joint JF-17 Thunder jets made by Pakistan and China. And there are joint efforts of Pakistan and China 50/50%.
The PAC JF-17 Thunder, or CAC FC-1 Xiaolong, is a lightweight, single-engine, fourth.5++ -generation multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by the Pakistan Air Force, Aeronautical Complex and the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation of China.
( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder )
Very good Aircraft! JF-17! I am impressed!!🙏🙏🙏
Beautiful jet
Lots of love from pakistan ❤️❤️🇵🇰🇵🇰
Excellent demonstration
Hey great vid! Your graphics looks great, could you share with us your graphical settings for dcs?
How on earth are your graphics so amazing?
Incredible module of a very beige aircraft
Really looks like a fantastic and badly needed addition to DCS. I don't know if it's my kind of thing, I tend to like the Cold War stuff. But I'm really liking this jet.
The tea was fantastic
Tea is fantastic
Beautiful
Jf17 is war tested .27,Feb.2019
Another aspect of JF17 normally overlooked is a how small it shows on enemy radars...
JF-17 is just a beautiful bird 🦅
I'm waiting to see jf17 block 3 and what will be new on the aircraft
Co develop by China and Pakistan not just China
Raza khan Khan Brainpower and experience was contributed by Pakistan and manpower and technical knowledge were contributed by China.
I heard that PAF tea is fantastic.
I'm still on the fence about getting the JF17 mostly because I still need to finish learning the tpods and laser guided bombing systems on the Hornet and Viper. Is it bad to want a new plane before I finish learning the old one?
no get it
I can tell your the tpod on this is easier than F16 and F18's unfinished tpods.
@@razorseal yeah the current underperforming state of the F-16 and rough edges of the F/A-18 actually make me not want to get the clearly superior JF-17. When I feel like I'm being herded towards a solution to an artificial problem by paying more money, it feels a bit manipulative.
Think there is a way to transfer the external sounds of the falcon to th thunder? The external sounds for the thunder are garbage to say the least
In reality a fighter with kill mark.
Jf 17 vs f16 dog fight video
Here is it: m.ruclips.net/video/FXyoG52iMGE/видео.html
Looks impressive 👍
cant wait to receive my PSU and fly that beauty!
Whenever i try to use the targeting pod and i click the off button, it says bit time remaining is 0, and then i cant do anything. In addition the wmd7 symbol flashes after i click the pod button. Do you know why that is happening, am I doing something wrong?
Its not something you're doing wrong. Right now at least, the TPOD doesn't work when you cold start. Only hot starts and air starts allow use of the TPOD, and I think the devs are aware of the issue.
@@MrTornadoman97 you can hit the iff button and it works. once or twice