What is .223 Wylde? .223 vs 5.56 AR-15 Barrel Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2020
- What is .223 Wylde and is it better than 5.56 NATO? In this video we explain how 223 Wylde barrels work and why it's a fantastic option for you to add to your AR-15 arsenal. We'll also compare .223 Remington to 5.56 NATO and do some test firing of our 16" Side Charging .223 Wylde BCA upper.
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16" Rear Charging .223 Wylde Upper: 613-
7.5" Rear Charging .223 Wylde Upper: 317-
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I found the .223 Wylde ammo in the same aisle as the muffler bearings.
Isn’t that beside the headlight fluid?
Whenever I change the air in my tyres, I always replace the headlight fluid and have the muffler bearings greased!
Nope it’s next to the wood magnets
I about spit my beer all over my keyboard.
I started recycling the light from my headlights and it increased my fuel economy
Nice Vid, but to clear a few things up the main difference between .223 and 5.56 is the free bore or the jump to the rifling. The .223 has .025" freebore length, where the 5.56 has .050" freebore length. The rest of the dimensions on the case are negligible. The difference in pressures ( the .223 max pressure being 55,000 where the 5.56 being 62,000 ) is due to where the civilian market tests for case pressures vs. where the military tests for case pressure. The civilian market tests towards the back of the round where as the military test at the top of the round. If both were tested in the same spot the pressures would be close.
Ordered a stainless steel 223 Wylde barrel based on your recommendation. Thanks for the video.
My logic is that since ammo can be hard to find, I can use whichever is available, or if both are available, I can buy whatever is on sale.
Have had a 16” BCA 223 wylde for years now. Have many thousands of rounds through it and no problems. Great product.
I like my 233 wylde. I have fed it both .223 and 5.56. Brass and steel cased.Thousands of rounds. A few malfunctions, but no real problems.
The guy who shoots once every two years needs to understand that MALFUNCTIONS happen when you shoot a lot... If you don't have malfunctions, then you don't train enough!!!!!
@@musek5048 TAP, RACK, BANG!!!!!
So you can shoot 556 in a wylde? Im so lost with this build lmao
@@jerseyltdYes, you can safely shoot 5.56 nato out of a 223 wylde barrel.
Finally shot mine yesterday. Shot 5.56 and .223. A few jams with the first couple of mags but once the oil got down everywhere it needs to be, no issues at all. Put about 200 rounds through it and it got better and better. This is my first AR so I really have nothing to compare it to, but I am very very happy with it.
Awesome to hear Lee! Feel free to reach out to bcatech@bearcreekarsenal.com if you have any questions or concerns about your upper. Glad you're enjoying your first AR!
@@TMcloudy Contact them lifetime warranty
@Perkz 45 ✰ Yes. They have a killer deal running now. Get in before they are gone.
I actually graduated from Bear Creek High School in Lakewood Colorado. Now I have to buy one of your rifles. Told my wife it's because of sentimental reasons.
I've legit never seen a video where someone shoots an ar without sights.
I'm starting to enjoy this channel more and more
Lol 😂
I actually found .223 Wylde ammo. Right between the pipe stretchers and left handed metric crescent wrenches.
If you pass the blinker fluid you've went too far
@@9mmthroatpunch211 Did you hear the one about the blonde that took her car to the mechanic to have the 710 fluid changed? lol😏
Right next to the sheetrock stretcher!!! Ohhhh!!!
Just received my 16in.223 wylde rear charging upper yesterday. Can't wait to hit the range.
Lmk how accurate it is, I’m very curious
Seriously, the best of both worlds! Will be a nice complement to my BCA 450 Bushmaster and 12.7x42 [50 Beowulf] uppers. My other ARs are, respectively, a Colt SP1 in .223 circa 1970 [safe queen! LOL!], and an Anderson .5.56 from about 2016. Thanks BCA, for keeping good hardware affordable!
Thanks for the rundown.
I just got one of your barrels it is absolutely awesome going to be doing the review on it soon keep up the great work
Developed by William J Wylde who never filed a patent. He gave it to the gun world to take advantage of. And he is my Pop.
THANK YOU Mr. Wylde.
Thank you! I own 2 wylde uppers. love em.
I still run straight 556 chambers.
Hero!
Just got my 7 1/2 223w from you guys today. Can't wait to shoot it!
I have this same upper from BCA. I really like it. Really like the side charging. Thanks for the vid
No sights and hitting the target 🎯
Impressed sir ..
Thank you for the straightforward explanation and comparison. Great info!
This the the shf .223 I have been waiting for. I'm awl Bear Creek over hear, best daym side charger in the business!!!
Did a great job of explaining that because a lot of people don't understand that and it's good that you did that cuz a lot of people try to keep people from getting confused and the new people coming up don't understand that... but for me I've never had a problem with either one even the one I bought from you that 223 I bought from you that offer was excellent so there's no difference in either one I've seen either way it works just fine and I don't know why people making a big deal now if you just get one that's made by inferior manufacturer of course you're going to have a problem.. the everything I bought from Bear Creek Arsenal is outstanding!!!!! If you don't believe it I'll send you a video if you want one.... I did one with a 762 by 39 upper that I bought from Bear Creek and a hundred yards I put two of them side-by-side in the bullseye just to let you know just how good your uppers are it really comes down to the shooter at that point....
best explanation ive seen so far
I bought mine from you guys and I love it.
Thanks for the straight talk
Let’s have a moment of honesty here. Most people don’t shoot well enough to notice any accuracy lost beyond 100 yards.
Ain’t that the truth I can’t even hit the damn target at 25 yards apparently lol 😂 I’m a noob
I wish there were more .223 wylde barrels out there that were set up with a2 sight blocks
Awesome good info!
Here for the big sale, looks like you sold me!!! On my way to the ffl!!! #WNC NC STRONG
Well said.I have 2 5.56 and a 223 wylde. So far the Wylde is better than the 5.56 in the AR rifles. But my 5.56 bolt gun is hands down the best. But I won't trade them for anything. Well, except maybe a new boat or something.
How about a gently used boat?
@@leestallard278😂
Just wanted to say, the opening clip is dope!
I got mine a year ago its a 24" bca i put on a psa lower i built with a cmc trigger and mods for accuracy i picked up over the years. The upper i trued and bedded the bca barrel in and lapped and polished the barrel. This thing is a shooter! I get hits at 600-800 yards on steel with m193 ammo. Im going to load 77gr smk and try 1000yds. So far its done a great job!
Are you saying that you used 556-223 to reach that far? damn I didn’t know It was able to do that. How far out do you think an 11 1/2 inch barrel in the same caliber and an A.R. pistol frame could reach (with an accurate shooter oviosly)
@@mrgrump2534 ive got a 7.5" pistol that i routinely shoot from 25-300yds without having to adjust my lpvo you should be able to do the same or maybe a bit better
@@erikmckaygunsmithing6470 are you saying that I can make a 7 1/2 inch barrel length chambered in 556 and it’ll actually be usable?
I guess it’s a mess that you need to go to 300 blackout to go that small then ? I no u will spit more fire but still…. I really wanna make a 7.5 inch build but dreading the prices of 300 wich to be honest isn’t that much worse than 223 in some cases…. What are your thoughts on this since you obviously own and have shot the ar pistol platform in 556/223 with that small of a barrel (7.5)
@@mrgrump2534 actually the blackout is more suited for this than the 556 becuse of the faster burning powder rate is more efficient in shorter barrels were as the 556 is med burning powder rate and suffer greater velocity loss on short barrels. The 300 blackout only needs 9" of barrel yo fully burn its powder charge so a 10- 14" will work great for blackout. And 300 yds will be about your working limit maybe 400 but depends on what your doing with it.
But yeah pistols do better than most people think. I never considered one till i built one for a friend and took it out to test it. After seing how handy it was in small area and i could still engage 300yd targets. So it'll do what my carbine will do in a smaller package and make a good trick gun
No sights?? Saving money for more ammo?? Nice work.
Man you can hear the difference in impact! Sold!
Your prices on uppers is amazing. I don’t shoot enough to worry about burning out a barrel or sub MOA groups at 200 yards. I just want a functioning upper that hits the mark. Yours does. Well done!
I have BCA's 1st 7.62x39 upper. Its beat to hell, rusty and has been used in the rifle classes I teach since 2017. I have just retired this upper with over 32,000 rounds on it. The rifling was about gone which I would expect from about any barrel. The upper still hit a man size target out to 150 meters. The only issues I had were extractor break at 900 rounds, bca sent a new extractor within 3 days. Extractor break at 2100 rounds, again BCA replaced the extractor, though I purchased a black rifle arms melonite one and it lasted until the upper was retired. I also had the dreaded light primer strikes that was fixed with the black rifle arms extended firing pin. BCA now has a enhanced extractor and firing pin in the new uppers. Sorry BCA but I still prefer the Black rifle arms ones because they are stronger. For the price you pay for these uppers, add in the BRA extractor and firing pin for another 30-40$ and the upper is sound!
Regular Guy Training LLC
Richmond KY
I just bought a complete upper a 6.5 grendel 20" im looking forward to working it over and bang steel at 1000yds with it hopefully.
I bought a 6.5cm bca barrel for my ar10 and it makes one ragged hole groups at 100yds most days. I lapped n polished it as well. I do every barrel i get from anyone. Even my 800 dollar shielen 338 edge. Ive had guys tell me dont buy bca barrels they're not very good! Lol but guys always are impressed with how my Ar's are so accurate. I love telling them they just got out shot by the very thing you were running down. The 2 i have are very close to my custom rem 700's i built (im a m gunsmith) the bolt guns do hold a better group of coarse but by god the Ar's aint very far off at 100yds
Cant wait to see hiw the grendel performs
Great to hear Erik! Enjoy your new barrel
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal thank you guys, im sure i will.
What I just found impressive was the mo iron sights or scope
I just got my BCA .223 Wylde upper! I had some difficulty attaching it to my Anderson lower, but with some oil on the takedown pins and gentle persuasion with a rubber mallet, I got it to fit. I’m waiting on an optic and then I’ll take it out to the range! I’m hoping that it will wear together and loosen up after a couple hundred rounds.
If you have any questions or concerns after shooting, please reach out to bcatech@bearcreekarsenal.com and they will assist you
Thanks for selling good entry level stuff 👍
I could have bought an 556 upper but I decided on the 223 wylde just because. I am happy with my choice and rather have the in between instead of making a mistake like I did 20 years ago. I bought a type 97 pistol used (before Bushmaster bought the company)from my local gun shop and did not know that there was a difference. I had issue after issue with that firearm and after I sold it I found out the wrong ammo was the reason for my issues.
I’m so glad I found you guys. You sell good guns for affordable prices. Most blue collar workers can’t afford to spend $1000-$3000 on a rifle. You guys have fixed that problem. How is your guys quality control? How many rounds do you test fire through your stuff before selling? Just curious
Save your money longer. Problem solved
@@Jwalls1980 no problem, but in the meantime something is better than nothing
I ended up going with the BCA 16' chambered in 5.56. I love knowing I can both 5.56 and 223 ammo w.o any issues.
You guys have my business from now on got a .556 upper for 250 and it shoots amazing it was my 5th ar and from now on the rest will be bear creek
Facts
Same hear. This company is on the way up. Through good products at great prices. CNC machine manufacturing changed the game, and quality employees.
I was on your website last night and from now on I will build my own , you've priced yourselves out of a sale .
Ya I noticed that as well
Yeah budget guns at a premium price
BCA became the opportunists during this scare. All of the products I was getting for less than $200 is now $350 range, it's pretty ridiculous. From a business standpoint they could care less b/c they will sell it to someone. Once things calm down in probably 6-9mo, I won't be a customer unless prices calm down as well.
Yes I'm the guy that bit that extra dollar bullet just the other day . I always build my own ARs but I couldn't find parts and my gf didn't own an AR yet so I bought her the BCA 10.5 556 pistol . It was $200 more than it used to be . I'll gradually upgrade hers part by part but at least she has a platform to work and learn from now as my builds are much to heavy for her to operate effectively.
I like the side charging upper. I haven't fired mine yet due to fire danger here in Commiefornia but I'm looking forward getting to break it in.
Some of the questions asked here can easily be answered by doing some research. Some of the questions make me wonder if some of the people who asked them ever fired a rifle.
Bill Wylde is from Greenup, IL. It's the next town over from me he's a pretty smart guy.
Greetings from Oak Forest IL, tell Bill i said nice design if you see him.
@@whydotheathensrage he passed away this past year
@@dereklight6568 sorry to hear, he left a solid legacy with his design engineering 👍👍
Ordered my 223 wylde barrel 18” spiral fluted stainless steel
Great video, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, this has been very helpful, God Bless 🇺🇸
All of Bear Creek Arsenal videos, are Great! Educational, very well explained, fun and entertaining, very happy I found you guys, already informed all family, friends and associates about the great quality in materials and craftsmanship keep doing what you guys are doing, with your product line and videos, you are doing it Right! God Bless 🇺🇸
all my ARs have 223wylde 1:8 barrels
First time building, what ammo should i tune my aero precision gas block with if i wanted to run both rounds?
New to the a15 world here just a question
Besides the .223 wylde barrel yall sale does anything else has to be change on the rifle to still be able to shoot 5.56?
Thanks
I’m gonna buy one soon but I want to know if the 556 nato is better under pressure and longevity after abuse
I've been seeing shooting 223 and everything AR platform I have that I've gotten from you people plus I have another one from another brand and it works just fine I don't know why people make the big deal of it I've not lost any accuracy because of it and people just blow something out because they got to have something to talk about I guess like a bunch of old hens...
.556 takes both and most companies don’t make just .223 anymore
The .223 Wylde rifle has identical chamber angling as a 5.56×45 rifle but also brings a .2240 freebore diameter. It also has tighter freebore size in a .223 Wylde rifle which allows you to shoot .223 ammo with relatively strong accuracy from it than a 5.56×45 rifle.
BASICALLY, it's more accurate than a rifle chambered in 5.56. I can agree with the accuracy claims, too! 😉
**it's accurate with both 5.56 and .223**
556 in a 223 has nothing to do with the gas system or gas tube. It's the chamber pressure and case pressure. 556 cases have a longer throat and a thicker wall to accommodate the extra pressure. Kind of scary that a Firearms manufacturer can't explain the difference properly
Quick question... are your 223 wylde barrel gas ports .750 or .625? .... I haven't seen any information pertaining to that on your site. Thank you.
Hey John, that can vary based on the barrel length and type of gas system. The gas port size can be found on the product page when clicking on the More Information button
So accurate you don’t even need sights!!
I bought one of your uppers .223 Wylde ( rear charging handle ) a few years back from Classic Firearms, but now i might have to buy a side charge......
Sounds like a solution in search of a problem
Would be dope if you did some 14.5 pin welded
@bearcreekarsenal I just bought your 556 10.5 complete rifle for my gf's first AR but only because the 223 wyld was not available. When will those uppers be back in stock so I can upgrade her .
Hey Tommy, we have a 16" side charger in stock right now (search 915-)
So if I have a 556 ar or 223 ar do I just need to change the barrel to 223 wylde or is there more I need to change on the ar when going to a 223 wylde barrel?
Just the barrel 👍
I'm glad I watched this. I thought that I may have made a mistake by buying one.
It's a great caliber, and we'll always be here for you if you have any questions or need assistance 👍
Do they have a issue cycling steel cased ammo ?
I shot a 500 rounds of wolf through my 16" .223 wylde last weekend. not one failure. I had it nice and lubed with gun grease though.
I have my Armalite M15 3 gun with wylde barrel in stainless. Fantastic rifle i shoot 223 ammo trough it.
Are you able to put a BCA upper on any kind of lower? Let's say a Ruger 556.
Yep, any mil-spec lower will work 👍
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal perfect!
Bca makes a great product only thing they need to do is ditch the birdcage and use the Jerry Miculeks muzzle break i got one on my barrel flat shooting never lose your target picture . i will say its louder than hell but ill take the noise and embrace it results are amazing. Flatter more accurate shots hands down. Perfection at its best.
They keep the .223 Wylde ammo right next to the 5.56 gas tubes last I checked.
Wait they are shooting with no sights?!
Can you load 5.56 and 223 in the same magazine when shooting the 223 wylde
You can 👍
Yes
Still never heard of a 223 556 mix up causing any problem besides miss feeds failure to chamber and over gassing
Is the BCG the same as the 223/556? i'm guessing it is?
Hey Chris, the BCG is the same for both
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal i figured so. never hurts to ask.
Are you able to switch out the 223 Wylde Barrel for a 300 Blackout Barrel? I know you can normally do that with the 5.56.
Yes, 300 Blackout uses the same bolt, magazines, etc. as 5.56 and .223 Wylde. You just need to change the barrel
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal Awesome! Thank you. I am going to buy one of your 223 Wylde uppers.
If you have an interest in US Service Rifle Competition then a .223 Match or Wylde Chamber notion wiil promote accuracy from .223 or 5.56 Match Grade Ammunition. For ALL others the 5.56 NATO Chambered rack grade M16A4 or M4 will deliver sub MOA from Mk262 if the shooter has had some marksmanship training. The USAMU has proven this.
556!!!
Love my heavy barrel 16.5 .223 wild upper from B.C.A I was stunned at the groupings at 100y vs higher priced uppers I have access to.
What kind of groupings did you get?
A minute, or just about, but it's consistentcy between caliber's and rounds was the difference maker, It is much harder to tell the difference between 5.56 and .223, also the rifle length gas system on my upper seemed to be a good addition to the setup, 2.5 at 300, once it's dialed in. I recommend it, fits well with aero lowers and spike tactical, but I did have some fitment issues with polymer lowers.
You didn't mention shooting Steel Case in 223 Wyled.
I’d also like to know about that, for when I buy cheap plinking rounds
@@kollin611 Reportedly-- Because of the tighter tolerance of 223 Wyled Chambering, Steel case doesn't feed well.
Edspad2 BS! My 13.7 223 wylde rosco O shoot steel all the tims without any issues
@@jameshill5304 Reportedly. That is exactly why i was hoping for comment from BCA
edspad2 hmmm, I wonder if steel .223 would be ok but steel 5.56 would cause issues, I’m still looking for which upper I wanna buy, everything’s sold out everywhere😫
Can a drum mag fit it
Just bought green one like the compensator and floating handle! Just need a scope im reaching now, any advice on a reasonable one?
Great to hear! We sell a 3x9x40 scope or Vortex has some great options as well
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal ill check it out thanks I didn't know that!
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal you wow just went to your website im in hickory nc ill have to come visit, thanks bro!
It seems that every weapon in your introduction is throwing the spent cases forward towards the operator's two o'clock position. This type of ejection is indicative of an over gassed gun that is putting extreme pressure on the bolt carrier group.
Hey Ron, I appreciate your concern, however, after examining the clips you mentioned I believe they are ejecting normally. The camera position is just making it appear abnormal (the camera man is not standing straight across from the shooter but rather in front of him or behind him depending on the clip)
You realize over gassing is an issue for piston driven systems and suppressors. BCA uses direct impingement on their uppers. He literally stated he only had .223 in house because of the ammo shortage, which is anemic compared to 5.56.
My man said “The U.N.”!!! 🤣 good video though
The only difference is the chamber for the cartridge. Per my research got it in a 24" inch bull barrel.
.223 wylde is solution waiting for problem to come into existence.
Can you shoot 300 blackout through 223 wylde?
Hey Josh, .223 wylde shoots 5.56 and .223. You'll need a dedicated 300 Blackout barrel to shoot 300 Blackout
Are these nitride barrels or chrome lined?
We sell nitride, parkerized, and stainless steel barrels
So many experts making comments! Aren't you all afraid to develop trigger finger syndrome hitting all them keys on those cheap keyboards? Bear Creek makes fine shooting implements, and they all work fine. You want a Mercedes at a cost of a Chevy? There is plenty overpriced snob outfits.
Well, I won't dispute that my BCA items have done the job asked of them, but let's not pretend they are selling their Chevys at Chevy prices anymore...they think they are worth Mercedes money because of a toilet paper hoarding epidemic.
@@CredibleHulk10 , give me one example of overpriced BCA item, please.
I edited my very lengthy and overly antagonistic response...
The following item is overpriced.
You don't agree.
We can leave it at that.
www.bearcreekarsenal.com/223-wylde-24-black-nitride-straight-fluted-heavy-barrel-1-8-twist-rifle-length-gas-system-15-mlok-split-rail-side-charging-upper
@@CredibleHulk10 , I saw your earlier reply. No hard feelings either way. I think I understand your point, but the rules of free market dictate that an object is worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay for it. Also, I don't think it's fair to dismiss the effect of the "pandemic" out of hand - the suppliers are under pressure, the supplies are short, the need to protect workers is real, ..etc. I asked for an example of an overpriced item so I could better understand you. I find BCA prices rather competitive. I tried pricing the parts of a comparable build - the cost came up very close to BCA price. But if you feel it is overpriced - it is overpriced. PSA prices are simular.
How does this work with steel cased ammo?
Yes sir, all our uppers work with steel case, we just recommend brass because it's cleaner and more accurate
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal this is great thank you so much! Love all the new videos you’ve been posting. Take care!
I'm not a reloader so I'm only going on what I've read. You say a 223 in a 556 chamber will have lateral slop. I am under the impression that external dimensions are the same in both roundswith the exception of 556 bullet protrudes slightly further out of the case of the 556. Thus rifling on the 556 starts slightly further than the 223. When putting a 556 in a 223 chamber/barrel where the rifling starts at a shorter distance, the 556 engages the rifling on chambering, thus not allowing bullet momentum before before engaging the rifling and compounding the pressure increase. Is this not correct?
Thanks for your comment. We have a blog on our website that goes into more detail about this topic
This guy was full of misinformation in this video.
Only bought for the Wylde Willie in me,,,, I hear their great w 500 BMG but u gotta duct tape barrel and tap rounds in with a tack hammer... threw away my red dots and safety glasses and shooting sideways now cause I'm from CheeCago
I would like one in 20-24 threaded
We'll get those back eventually
The 223/556 debate is horse shit, many many many instructors, that have watched millions of rounds down range have dispelled that stupid theory...
I have a 5.56 AR that has trouble shooting .223 steel case.. it keeps jamming. Unfortunately I bought a lot of .223 steel during the worst of the pandemic because it was the only thing available. I have a .223 wylde BRN180s, would that do better or worse with .223 steel cased? Lol.. I haven't tried it yet.
Send an email to bcatech@bearcreekarsenal.com with information such as the type of trigger you use, gas system length, and types of jams you're experiencing and they will help you
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal The casing gets stuck after its fired. The AR runs great with brass.. The guy at the range told me it has something to do with the steel expanding in the chamber.. It gets stuck really bad, have to hit it hard with a cleaning rod to get it out. Some one else told me the barrel might be out of spec but never had any issue with brass. Was just wondering if .223 wylde would handle it better since my other AR is a 5.56 upper.
Do you need me to donate you some 556 sad I thought you guys would have a truckload of it there..lol
Came down here in the comment section to see who else caught the UN and NATO switch-a-roo?!
So is this legal in California?
**.223 Wylde 1:8" twist=midlength**
I don't believe the 5.56 has more powder. I think the .223 has slightly greater case capacity. 5.56 has thicker case walls, ergo the greater pressure.
No. Another guy commented this better than I can articulate it but the military and civilian markets test pressures in different places
Both cases weigh the exact same. more internet bullshit.
Ok BCA, legitimate question here...why are nearly all of the 5.56 and .223 twist rates manufactured by BCA 1:8 in the 16-18 inch barrels? what about making some that are 1:7? I would like to hear your position on selecting the 1:8 twist and mass producing it over the 1:7 twist.
Hey Russ, I don't know the exact reason, but I assume that it is because most 5.56 and .223 rounds are 55 grain which perform best with a 1:8 twist rate
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal so would you say the heavier 223 and 5.56 ammo will perform best in a 223 wylde platform with a 1:7 twist?
@@maxpain6822 1:8 performs great up to about 77 grain bullets. Anything higher than that and I would go with a 1:7
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal never seen anything heavier than a 77 grain lol I'm confused what?
@@Bear_Creek_Arsenal I was strictly asking about a 1:7 twist
Ammo aint cheap anymore
Man no sites are needed on the 223 Wild
Crap I noticed mine is .233 I need to get another barrell then that's 5.56