You can't be dissfellowshiped simply because you are a victim of abuse other stuff had to have happened along the way as well. This is where you need have both sides of the story, which of course youre not going to get on a ant-Witness forum.
You just DID tell the other side of the the story and I am not removing your comment. Instead I am inviting you to an interview. Do you accept the invitation?
Too often the announcement comes down without a reason. The congregation is left to sort out whispers. If there is no Side, don't expect The Other side. Smoking a cigarette or asking the wrong question can get blown up to sexual failure. The Love Bomb gets weaponized and aimed at the victim of the week.
@@GoatlikePersonality No! I'm not going to be dragged into something that happened something like 30 years ago. I'm not saying that some situations could not have been handled better. It's easy to criticise in hindsight, but for all organisations, right across the board, be they the Boy Scouts, The Salvation Army, and even the police, themselves, today there is much more awareness and better training. So you can't just pick on one organisation, that you just happen to have it in for, as if they alone should be condemned.
Surely as her parents would take her to hospital, call the police and get evidence of the sexual abuse. My heart goes out to Meleah for being let down by her family, friends and the JW org.
They really do make the victim feel like the culprit. Somehow Satan is working with you to make the Organization (cult) look bad. This is immoral and illegal.
Jonas, I agree with you.. watchtower is a printing company! That’s why when i run into JW’s i tell them that I am no longer a publisher for the watchtower bible and tract society a book publishing company!
They are no longer a ''printing company'' but have moved into Real Estate and movie production the next "'WallyWood''...stay turned they will be bragging h/spirit this h/spirt that
I know of several cases, one a relative, of csa by elders in Botchtower neither the parents or the org ever reported to the authorities. when I asked the parents why, the standard answer was “We dont do that” like they were almost proud of the fact. Absolute disgusting bunch of pedophiles.
Meleah, thank you for sharing your story. It is truly a warning for those who are thinking about joining that group. Thank you Goat- like for your continued activism.
I remember when I was in a disfellowshipped state & was subject to character assassination by the body of elders who disfellowshipped me but instead of 'leaving it in Jehovah's hands' I fought them legally & won helped greatly by 'Caesar' who in my case saw them for what they were.
Thank you, Meleah, for sharing your story. It was very healing for me to hear. I’m so glad you got therapy and are able to speak with such confidence, calm and clarity now. I am a 43 year old 4th Gen. Witness. I was treated as completely worthless so many times by elders. I never realized how low women actually are on the totem pole. Thank you, Jonas, for presenting this. I know it will help many people!!
Thank you I was raise JW in Indiana and I am trying to figure out how to keep my neices and Nephews safe and away from this brainwashing and bullshit! I so hope they don’t get Baptized. I knew it was bullshit very young and would never get baptized! I hate that my whole childhood was a lie! I am happy my father did not buy into the cult and I was Allowed to leave as soon as I turned 16
@@talinamichelle67 I am I still live on the north westside. I grew up going to Lebanon KH then found out we were in College Parks Territory. I stopped going when I was 16
@@Xerfing yes it does. I am just glad I was as smart at a young age and saw right through all the bullshit. Certain kids getting away with everything and others not
Jonas!! You're the first person to say something I've always thought ..elders asking young girls such personal, sexualised questions is brazen conduct!! (Also quite unnecessary to establishing what happened tho that's beside the point). It's also as you rightly said a crime. If it's a minor for sure and abusive in all cases. Also I thought it was so sad but interesting when you mentioned your experience and the cycle of guilt religious kids feel so that they are perfect prey for pedophile's, knowing guilt prevents them from speaking out.
The police have been accused of doing the exact same thing in the past. Girls have felt embarrassed and were reluctant to talk in front of men, but unfortunately some very personal questions need to be asked. Nowadays, it's the domain of specialist female officers. It's so easy to judge in hindsight. Ironically if they hadn't taken her aside to find out exactly what had gone on with her and her sister's husband then you would have criticise them for not doing anything. It's about being damned if you do and damned if you don't. Anyway it all came out in the end and she was able to make a fresh start.
@@moseslivingstone1258 no, elders should hand on to the police any accusations of sexual assault or child abuse. they dont need to find out what happened thats the police job.
The Watchtower Society is one of the worst cults, if not the worst cult, in the world of organized religion. It is so backward, so "medieval" or "dark age", and so callous that it beggars description.
I am so glad you decided to share your story, and so glad you made your own decision to do what you wanted on your own. In this religion women are held back, treated poorly, like we should be voiceless, opinionless, and below men. This religion hurts so many people, especially people who are hurt within the religion, by abuse. I hope sharing this actually helps you and makes you feel empowered and free.
This is why most churches involve the police early in a sexual abuse complaint. The police are experts in collecting and preserving evidence in these cases. My heart hurts for these women.
This is why I never let my kids do sleepovers or be baby sat by anybody. They went to dinner and elsewhere with my wife (their mom) and me because I trusted no one. My experience is that most Witnesses wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. They would help strangers before one another. When I was a kid, my dad and I had an automotive and heavy equipment shop in East Texas. Witnesses always came by wanting free repairs when they were broke but never once did any request work and offer to pay. It got so that I would close the doors and lock up and pretend to be gone when they would come by wanting a freebie. Being shunned rocks and shouldn't be overrated. If you're being shunned, they aren't asking you for money or favors.
I had a elder throw my letter in the garbage, my wife at the time asked another elder if they were going to meet with me and he had no idea that I had turned a letter in. Thanks for telling your story. Just shows how unqualified these guys are. Stay strong
Please let the young lady know that residents of any state can now file such a claim against WT, since the headquarters is located within NY jurisdiction. Also the suggestion of a group of abused exjw women pursuing a class action suit ( regardless of their home state) is an excellent idea.
And please let the young lady know that saying the WT as said any of the things she claimed they said, in a court of law, is committing perjury, as not one letter or publication as said any of the things herself or other apostates have accused of
Wow I thoroughly enjoyed this video! I had already watched all six chapters so far on Meleah’s channel but it was great to get even more insight with this video. Thanks again Meleah for sharing your story and I’m sorry for all you went through. Jonas that was a great interview and I am sorry for what you went through as well as a kid. It’s not right. Great exposing! See y’all in paradise lol
Thanks, Jonas an insightful video. 👍👍👍 Meleah you are one truly brave and courageous person you have put up with far too much for one person. This is therapy for all who watch this video. Meleah thank you for sharing 👍 Jonas keep them coming 👍
Oh i just wanted to reach out and give her a big hug! To be treated in such a harsh unloving way in each of her dfing times. I'm happy she got help, and had great friends that helped thru her teen yrs. Great show Jonas!
Meleah thank you. You are so articulate and spoke with such clarity. I'm sure your talking today will help many girls to see that therapy is of great benefit and so may get the strength and courage to get help also.
I hope it helps people, no one should have to go through this especially after already being abused. I want it to stop! Thank you for watching. So happy there are people like Jonas getting the truth out there!
My heart breaks for you. My son had a similar experience and I have text messages from an elder from just 2 days ago acknowledging they can’t do anything due to no witnesses and that they take the Brother at his word… 🤯🥺🤬
This is exactly what they do I knew a young girl who had turned her back on her family for the Truth as they a strongly taught to do. She spoke out but not believed she to was labeled as a liar. In 1973 at the international assembly she told me she was having a baby and was to disfellowshiped immediately after the assembly. We returned home she went to her family for help her father said no he had warned her if she turned her back on her family for the religion don't bother coming back. I don't know where she went she disappeared as if she never existed. The sad thing my parents were willing to take her in but we never had the chance to tell her. The heartbreaking thing when the father who denied any wrong doing at the time found out about the baby he then demanded his legal rights. He was very proud that he didn't pay a dime in support as he didn't want to be funding a non-believer. Her daughter would be 43 today I hope they are free from this organization and have had a wonderful life. I wish we were able to get the full numbers of ones that this organization has treated so appalling I know we would be shocked by the sheer numbers
Meleah, I'm so glad that you were able to find the right person and put all of this nonsense behind you. We are the same age, and I also exited this cult very recently. Cheers to you! 🍻
The elders during these judiciary meetings should have to sit back from the table and set one another's hands in a non sexual way atop the groin region of the elder next to them and any of them who demonstrate even the slightest arousal while testimony is given should be instantly disfelowshiped. There would be no more elders in no time at all. Also, has anyone considered what is probably on the dark web about the Jehovah's Witnesses? Predators on forums excitedly discussing the perfect place to get away with thier predation.
When my husband physically abused me, he said, "I went to hug her and she fell backwards." Because of his denial, and no other witness, he got no consequences. After I got disfellowshipped he pushed me out of a car, but since I was no longer a JW, he got away with it again. Fast forward, he abused his next wife, and he called her a liar.
This is insane, in addition to sexual abuse, with these 3 elders you even had to undergo a worse a psychological abuse: This is ground for charging these 3 men.
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma that is a BS lie, if you said that in a court of law, you are comitting perjury, not one publication or one letter written by the WT as ever said any of the things you or others have accused WT society of.
Horrible. And yes, it's true. Experts agree that raped women can experience orgasms during the rape, it's an involuntary body response, it doesn't mean you wanted it or liked it.
the elders are sick bastards who have no authority or training, to interrogate girls and young women. they are trying to downplay the abuse and make it seem that the victim was complicit. they are only interested in protecting WT not the victims.
Have you already obtained consolidated financial statements of the Watchtower-Group? Only there you can see the tremendous Profit of the Watchtower-Group, and their enormes, gigantic Richness.
@@GoatlikePersonality MONEY is the one and only truth for the Watchtower. But Money and their fraud- and blackmailing system will also be their waterloo! Please watch JW Escape newest Video! And in your activism work you should also focus more on the criminal money-behaviour of the watchtower grifters! Thank you Goatlike👍👍👍
Woman as yourself, brave and strong, really need to continue to speak out against Watchtower! I was an elder and resigned (stepped aside) I have been in those judicial committee’s when the elders started asking very personal questions to sisters who happen to have sex outside of marriage. And I would interrupt and say wait! This is TMI, none of us need to hear this! I do not want any of this on my mind, or her business out in the open! This is one of the biggest reasons I resigned and faded, that, and the way the organization handled sexual child abuse. I really am very sorry all that happened to you. Stay strong, you’re heading in the right direction now. Hopefully one day I can share my experience.
@@GoatlikePersonality Thank you for the invite, I really appreciate that, absolutely, I would really enjoy being interviewed, I’ll reach out to you very soon.
i got bullied because they dont like my mom who always answers at watchtower. they only wanted their family members (of the elkders) to always have the spotlight and attention. every sunday after the meeting at the kingdom hall, brothers and sisters come near me and tell my imperfections
in my departure from this cult the more research i do the more and more i am repulsed for ever believing this swill they pitch as "truth". The only truth this corrupt multi billion dollar enterprise has to offer is their open stance against and disregard for basic human rights. i'm disgusted with the leadership and am finding it increasingly difficult to keep my anger and bile down and under control enough to not loose my complete sh!t. i wish Meleah the healing she deserves and that she allows herself the grace to know this was not her fault and remembers that those who see her for who and what she is, a beautiful person with worlds of complexities inside them, not some dispensable publisher who's word only counts if there are witnesses to her pain. this has to stop
Thank-you Meleah for telling us some of your appalling story, be assured that you will have helped many more people to gather their courage to speak out about watchtowers filthy secrets. Jonas you handled that interview with considerable dignity & grace.
Poor child it would be like living in an nightmare, having to appologise for being abused so that you dont get shunned, but still having others judge and blame you. Imagine living in a " new world " with them. So glad she got away from them. As for the men who questioned her about this the police would like their names, if they were school teachers and questioned a child about abuse and then called her liar after wanting every detail about the assult, they would be banned from going near schools near children.
Sexual abuse is a very psychological traumatic thing for many young children of this organization because of the acts themselves and then as a multiplier by the actions of the organization. The one thing JWs have right is you will know them by their fruits.
Wow a powerful interview Thankyou so much for sharing 💗I had constant sexual abuse growing up before JWs I became a jw because I would be safe my children would be safe, a trauma driven decision which is what this cult preys on. They shredded my family and stole my children, then killed me off or tried. I so related to being victim shunned my husband (ex) and I had four kids he never came in until I caught him cheating 10 years after me and said he would study and we can start from scratch. Of course everyone love bombed him and bullied me into place He cheated again with my f-sister, we broke up divorced. Near everyone pushed me out as that sister rebels against the submissive thing they have going to your husband and men in general. 1 friend newly in almost an elder at his baptism tried to keep me in the social scene as he saw what was happening to me and said it was wrong but didn’t know what he could do. I showed this as they were teasing me about being rebellious against the submissive thing I showed them my 1st crack in the curtain Ephesians 5:21 and said this doesn’t get read out I’ve never seen?! it at a get together haha awkward silence 😂 of course that made things worse. I started pointing out other inconsistencies getting pushed further to the edge until my kids started to believe whatever is getting said about me and terrified I might be right so pushed me over the cliff if your kids are shunning you you die….. breakdown 😢 I’m writing my story in a unique format as I’m a cartoonist and artist. I didn’t fall of the edge I grabbed a tree branch and pulled my self up and jumped of the cliff and into the ocean and swam to the family I had left behind living my best life I have peace and joy in my now 🧜♀️🎠🫶🏼✌🏼
14:24 disagree, father should be there DEFENDING that such questions are improper. You are under 18 so the father should be acting like they DARE ask HIM these questions. In fact both mother and father should be there, ad if to say how dare you ASK US (3 united as family) and not against child, but facing the Elders
Veldig lei meg for hennes og alle andres opplevelser i organisasjonen. ❤ Men. Håper de (JV) fortsetter å behandle medlemmer og deres barn slik de gjør, for det får dem (oss) til å forlate organisasjonen! La de støte ut medlemmer for tullete ting, slik at de begynner å tenke at dette er urettferdig, stygt og umenneskelig. Flott deling! 👍🌷
OMFHOLY SHIT There is no words to say to you other than 'you're one of the strongest young ladies I've seen who has given there testimony'. I've also had to stop at 21 minutes because my heart bleeds for you and I have to take a break, so so so sorry Meleah these hideous crimes happened to you.
I would love to talk with this young woman.. she's so brave.. I resonate so much so with her story.. being abused by the brother in-law.. yup that happened to me I was 13 he was 28. Parents asked if I wanted to report it , but we decided no.. eventhough he was not a JW.. the whole reproach thing.. etc. Molested at 4 yrs old.. son of a JW.. many years later, my parents informed me how they went out to dinner with him.. but eh.. it was so long ago I should be " over it by now" .. my sister.. goes back and forth with blame because I was old enough to know better and fight her husband off. Yeah ok... & Yup I was my older sisters side kick aka shapperone .. thought we were bonding but no.. they just used me so they could have their worldly boy friends. And have freedom to go places without our parents.
From my experience the elders like to believe their own children couldn't share in the blame. It might cause them to doubt their own parenting and then in turn the congregation might doubt their parenting/shepherding skills.
Hi Meleah. Welcome to your Way away from that cult. If you want to hear more about that org. Go to Jason Zeldas videos watch them all, he is helping a lot of former JWS Don’t loose sight of Jesus Christ , he is the one that can forgive our trespasses, and he will. Love from Canada Erik Tonnisen
When you "leave things in God's hands" You are leaving matters with a Deity that endorses lies to help his worship, and a Deity that teaches paedophiles to lie, lie and lie till he's tired of lying. Reason: He doesn't joke with his "Theocratic warfare"
Meleah, I want to say how incredibly sorry I am, my heart hurts for you. I'm shocked, flabbergasted, disgusted because I'm from your area, I know your family and I'm certain I know the perpetrators. I left 4 years ago, my best friend woke me up after showing me the ARC. I'm so angry, if you ever need someone or backup, help in anyway, know that you are not alone and deserve a beautiful life outside of the cult.
Okayy it was greaaaaat 2 hear he apologized 2 her but that organizational bullshytz after 2 have him keep his status in the cong. Was craaaaaazi STOOPID incredible
Writing letters in an effort to get reinstated.....I think of it as a major component of the Govering Body Approved Obstacle Course that doesn't exist in any other religion.
She was treated like a goat! - Great interview! - Can we make goat jokes here? 😂 Thank you for diving into this incredibly important topic, explaining the depth of the abuse in detail and how it feels to be mistreated. This cult has normalized abuse on many levels. This is one of the most disgusting inexcusable forms of emotional abuse on top of sexual abuse.
when you go to the elders you are looking to gain your brother but on these matters to get the evidence then you have to go to the police it is not always doing what you are told because you are told to scream if there is sexual assault
43:47 When you let false persons represent Jehovah as to what your conscience should be, it destroys the conscience that Jah gave all people. THEY as demons CREATE apathy.
Maleah was disfellowshipped/shunned because she was sexually abused as a minor?/. How short-sighted, backward, callous, and just plain cruel of that cult to disfellowship/shun her and other victims of sexual abuse. Thank you for sharing your poignant story.
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If you ask nicely, I might have an interview with you about the book. (If you send me a copy) But please dont advertise your grfic novel in my comment section. (Unless there is goats in your novel)
I spent most of today trying to hate people, in general, especially these people (I was one), less. This video failed me. I want less hate in my life. Now I have more. And it is deserved.
Jonas, I do enjoy listening to your guests. 🤔But...and I might be overly sensitive toward this, I think maybe your guest should have your undivided attention. Don't you think so too? If you can't keep your eyes off of your messages or whatever it is you are looking away to, maybe you can take the camera away from your face and keep it on your host/guest. Just a friendly suggestion. Also thank you very much for your videos. 👍🏽😉
@@GoatlikePersonality 🙂Thank you so much Jonas for all that you do. I have been watching your videos since I left that horrible organization in 2019. I do appreciate all the work you put into making your videos and they have helped so much in my journey. I was in that organization for over 50 years of my life. I was four when my mom was recruited. This young lady is amazing. I can relate to her story. Thank you for sharing her. And thank you Ms. Thompson for sharing your story.
The reason a 16 year old TAKES the blame for an affair is because her SISTER did the blaming thats she is screwing her husband. I american state laws most 16 can legally marry, many only needing permission for 15. YOU also have JW parents who see no guy for their daughter and THEY ARE pushing 16 together with 18 or 21 with chaperone. My sister at 16 was making out with a 21 year old as mom wanted and as another elder thought was the good thing to do. However, this other elder exalted is own daughter and did not know that i am the one who walked 2 hours to his house because my sister and his daughter met a school boy at the carnival and wanted to PAY my way for rides to keep my mouth shut. I GOT THE BLAME at 15 sacrificing myself by ditching them, not by saying okay let me screw someone too. These people who MAY have sinned (not been abused; come on 16 and 22? while others 16 and 22 get married) make me sick because they dont see real abuse for 12 or 14 by 35 and 40. Tired of seeing WT forced to give millions $$ to 16 and 17 whores while the 9-12 year old girls NEVER get to court. I got some experiences for you, a pile of clothes on a door so they cant close it then they accuse me of looking at them in underclothes.
of they have position or influence at kingdom hall, they are untouchable. its not god who govern the organization and in every congregation. it's the people who rule in that cult. they just take advantage to others then after they commit crime, they will act like saint like they never done wrong in their lives.i
Jonas video on raped age 11 by an age 16. Proper way to obtain 2 witnesses to crime. Elder interference in single dating tagging things which are not fornication. Lewd married baptized adults who put burdens on singles, and USUALLY are adult married persons who were of world fornication before their baptism. This word at age 16 against her word at 11 is not what the scriptures says. It says that she is to confront him to see what he says (matters not if its recorded or not), for her protection someone can be outside the door. it then says you create the first witness by going to him time #2 and this totally unaffiliated person becomes a witness of what he says to her 2nd confrontation to him. The victim has already told this "elect-witness" her side of story, and now she confronts the accused in front of witness #1 who will hear her repeat what she had said and listen for changes she might make, and hear what he says to the SAME charges in front of them (another) person. This 1st witness will see if he replies the same to her as she claims he had replied in solitude with her. Because this 1 witness does not know if his personal sole presence reply was different or not, this is why you bring a 3rd person (a 2nd witness and with the 1st witness again) because the 2 people will be able to say his story keeps changing which then makes him guilty. THEN you take it to the elders and you say this is accused, this is victim, and these are the 2 witnesses to him twisting the story 3 times. Had this been done with me, it would have proven he tried to say in private that THEY ALL KNOW i am trying to pick on and remove elders one at a time. Instead i had 20 people witness an apology by him that said he was SORRY he ever did any thing FOR me (not against me, but FOR me; as if he had been of christian assistance to me). This was done so he could give tomorrows Sunday talk without accusation. The elder-processis of demons and watchtower demons, not of Jehovah nor of his 144,000 whom they also attack with GB permission. Since i am not of the 144,000 i choose to be like John the Baptizer and defend those the watchtower kills of the 144,000. Sadly for 40 years Jehovah has had to replace 144,000 remnants of raped BatheSheba wife of righteous Uriah who could not handle the rape by David by David who dared think this child would sit on Jah's throne. The throne of Jah's is for the 144,000 temple not for the watchtower appointed to feed. They have raped and try to put the bastards aka elders on Jah's throne. But by letting Satan move in as 25,000 partaker our Jehovah was able to retain 7000 during these 40 years. Their appearance after the final slaughtered Lamb will prove any and all anointed left on earth as fakes, because only when complete will the 144,000 get the same 40 days Jesus got to revive his scattered church this year. The elders like to close cases that are open in Jah's eyes. They also like to say that if one word against another's word that speaking of it is slander. How can it be slander of it requires 2 witnesses that the word or story is false. When here it is equally one word against the other according to them.
Hi Richard. I am happy you leave comments. But I want to be honest and tell you that I from now on only have time to read the short one. When you write a novel in the comment section I just dont have the time to read and underline with different colours :-D
@@nicksanders9148 of course you protect children by not allowing them to go off without your supervision. you should teach children how they should react when someone may try to molest them even screaming and fighting.
The JWs are not a Christian organization. They are more like a cult. With multiple wives for many, this is evident. Sorry that you went through that. // To have a connection with God, He sent Jesus to be our mediator... Jesus when He was on earth said: "Follow Me"... He did not say: Follow the 10 commandments, Follow what the priests are saying, Follow what your parents are doing/teaching.... Following Jesus as a person is a live vibrant walk. This is why we go to heaven... to continue that walk / connection with God / Jesus. - If you don't believe in God... just say: "God I don't believe that You exist. But if You do, then show Yourself to me.. so that I never doubt You again". If He responds, then great. If He doesn't, then you would have lost nothing for asking. - If you don't think that Jesus is important in God's plan for you... ask God about Jesus and how that all works for His plan of Salvation for you.
On further consideration, a friend reports something personal about you, deny by lying ? How about not confirming nor denying. Rather, "I can't say right now. I am still looking for a second and third witness." Have you gone to authorities ? " I'm sure Jehovah's organization will cooperate with civilian authorities. God's guiding spirit will advise you."
To religious people who believe in the *fictional* Abrahamic god YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah, please learn his origins. He was originally a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon and son of the chief Canaanite god El. Yes, the *fictional* god of the Israelites and Christians is the same *fictional* god of the Muslims as well - the Abrahamic god. ------------------‐----------------------------------------------- *Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.* *It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant. *Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon* The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:* When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text). The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.* Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest. *As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722). Google *"Yahweh - **WorldHistory.Org.**"* Watch Dr Christine Hayes at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes. Google *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - **Realhistoryww.com**"* Google *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."* Google *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* Google *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* Google *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."* Google *"The Invention of God - Maclean's"* Google *"The Boundaries of the Nations - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."* Google *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"* Google *"Mark Smith: "Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh's Ascendancy - Lehi's Library."* Google *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* Google *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."* Google *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"* Google *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Biblical Polytheism - Bob Seidensticker."* Google *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."* Google *"Decoupling YHWH and El - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
Even if the crime is murder you need evidence. You need a body, you need a weapon, you need a witness or a confession... I’m pretty sure the police wouldn’t even waste man power for “boobgate” 1. Obviously if you were sleeping in a room with a boy and some girls and the girls were sleep so they didn’t SEE or HEAR you protest or scream .. that’s weird on YOUR PART. 2. If you just seen your friend get a creepy massage from her dad and she went to take a nap. That’s weird on YOUR part for sticking around and letting him give you a creepy massage too. It’s elementary, Watson... it’s not really a Sherlock Holmes mystery as to why you keep going around boys while your friends are “sleep”. 🧐🧐🧐🧐 LETS BE HONEST! ..
Severe, come on bro, I'm not downing her experience, but this me2 movement is crazzzyyy, ( come onnn she said her dad ""WASNT"" A WITNESS, BUT THENNNN SAID THEY SAID THEY WOULD TAKE PRIVELEGES AWAY FROM HIM IF "" HE"" WENT 2 POLICE, ) U DONT GET PRIVILEGES UNLESS YOUR An ""ACTUAL"" WITNESS, and she said he WASNT EVEN STUDYING so howwww cud he?? At least if unbaptized publisher he Was, thenn they could revoke his going out in service. Come onnn mannn.
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma oh okay, I really 4 u bcuz I know the bullshytz of dealing with them, it just didn't come across as that. Glad u out of there and were about same age so kudos 2 u.
My parents did not protect me from abuse. Come to find out as an adult my mothers sisters and likely herself were molested by her father. She put it out of her mind, her abuse and mine. In the moment she would be furious, after time passed it was as if it never happened.
This guy doing the interview is laughing at very inappropriate times and seems to be "entertained" by some of the despicable attacks that the young lady is relaying in the interview. I don't know if anybody else gets that Impression or not.
I'd like to know what's wrong with your parents at is your first job as a parent to protect your children they're just as guilty as the rest of them why would your parents let you go over and stay at a house that a coholic was that I don't understand your parents
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma I'm sorry I didn't realize that I feel very sorry for you that no one was there for you went through the same thing honey I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness I understand
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma I'll tell you what if someone had done to my child what they did to you I know they don't believe in hell but it would have come to them that day they would of thought there was a hell by the time I got done with them cuz they would have thought Rambo was after them
You can't be dissfellowshiped simply because you are a victim of abuse other stuff had to have happened along the way as well. This is where you need have both sides of the story, which of course youre not going to get on a ant-Witness forum.
They accused me of an affair. At 16, with a 22 year old. That is illegal yet I was disfellowshipped.
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma Thank you for telling your story.
You just DID tell the other side of the the story and I am not removing your comment. Instead I am inviting you to an interview. Do you accept the invitation?
Too often the announcement comes down without a reason. The congregation is left to sort out whispers. If there is no Side, don't expect The Other side. Smoking a cigarette or asking the wrong question can get blown up to sexual failure. The Love Bomb gets weaponized and aimed at the victim of the week.
@@GoatlikePersonality No! I'm not going to be dragged into something that happened something like 30 years ago.
I'm not saying that some situations could not have been handled better. It's easy to criticise in hindsight, but for all organisations, right across the board, be they the Boy Scouts, The Salvation Army, and even the police, themselves, today there is much more awareness and better training.
So you can't just pick on one organisation, that you just happen to have it in for, as if they alone should be condemned.
What a brave and gutsy woman.Also i was suprised when Meleah said she was 41, she still looks so young
Yes she looks 20 Yrs. Younger imho :)
Surely as her parents would take her to hospital, call the police and get evidence of the sexual abuse. My heart goes out to Meleah for being let down by her family, friends and the JW org.
Thank you. ❤️
They really do make the victim feel like the culprit. Somehow Satan is working with you to make the Organization (cult) look bad. This is immoral and illegal.
No they’re too worried about the public chit chat about Jehovahs people
@@luciantempest1291 Sounds like what happened to me.
@@KristinaUSA-x5n That sux, I’m sorry you went through that x
Questions are horrible from elders. And in front of parents.
Jonas,
I agree with you.. watchtower is a printing company! That’s why when i run into JW’s i tell them that I am no longer a publisher for the watchtower bible and tract society a book publishing company!
Absolutely
They are no longer a ''printing company'' but have moved into Real Estate and movie production the next "'WallyWood''...stay turned they will be bragging h/spirit this h/spirt that
I know of several cases, one a relative, of csa by elders in Botchtower neither the parents or the org ever reported to the authorities. when I asked the parents why, the standard answer was “We dont do that” like they were almost proud of the fact. Absolute disgusting bunch of pedophiles.
Don’t forget it is a pyramid scheme as well.
@@dennisconstantine624 i have had just about enoughof your false accusations and you most certainly do not have a right to call JW peodophiles.
"Talk to the elders"
No, first thing, call the police. Protect children.
Meleah, I hope you can heal from this triple abuse. 1. The perpetrators . 2. Your parents and sister . 3. The evil cult.
Meleah, thank you for sharing your story. It is truly a warning for those who are thinking about joining that group. Thank you Goat- like for your continued activism.
I remember when I was in a disfellowshipped state & was subject to character assassination by the body of elders who disfellowshipped me but instead of 'leaving it in Jehovah's hands' I fought them legally & won helped greatly by 'Caesar' who in my case saw them for what they were.
I’m looking into doing the same
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma Amazingly I actually got a written apology from Watchtower which I still have
"Legally" and through the governmental authorities IS "Jehovah's hands". Not the "Jehovah" that the Apostate organization, Scotchtower, concocted.
Thank you, Meleah, for sharing your story. It was very healing for me to hear. I’m so glad you got therapy and are able to speak with such confidence, calm and clarity now. I am a 43 year old 4th Gen. Witness. I was treated as completely worthless so many times by elders. I never realized how low women actually are on the totem pole. Thank you, Jonas, for presenting this. I know it will help many people!!
Thanx Mersury Dime
Forget the 2 Witness Rule! Go to the Hospital with DNA!!!!!!!! Then onto Police!
Well said
Thank you I was raise JW in Indiana and I am trying to figure out how to keep my neices and Nephews safe and away from this brainwashing and bullshit! I so hope they don’t get Baptized. I knew it was bullshit very young and would never get baptized! I hate that my whole childhood was a lie! I am happy my father did not buy into the cult and I was Allowed to leave as soon as I turned 16
are you still in Indiana? thats where I am from, raised in as well.
@@talinamichelle67 I am I still live on the north westside. I grew up going to Lebanon KH then found out we were in College Parks Territory. I stopped going when I was 16
I know the feeling. It sucks to grow up in this religion.
@@Xerfing yes it does. I am just glad I was as smart at a young age and saw right through all the bullshit. Certain kids getting away with everything and others not
@@seangerbick6357 yup, I know what you mean.
This is true practical psychological abuse. They should be charged.
Jonas!! You're the first person to say something I've always thought ..elders asking young girls such personal, sexualised questions is brazen conduct!! (Also quite unnecessary to establishing what happened tho that's beside the point). It's also as you rightly said a crime. If it's a minor for sure and abusive in all cases. Also I thought it was so sad but interesting when you mentioned your experience and the cycle of guilt religious kids feel so that they are perfect prey for pedophile's, knowing guilt prevents them from speaking out.
The police have been accused of doing the exact same thing in the past. Girls have felt embarrassed and were reluctant to talk in front of men, but unfortunately some very personal questions need to be asked.
Nowadays, it's the domain of specialist female officers.
It's so easy to judge in hindsight.
Ironically if they hadn't taken her aside to find out exactly what had gone on with her and her sister's husband then you would have criticise them for not doing anything. It's about being damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Anyway it all came out in the end and she was able to make a fresh start.
@@moseslivingstone1258 no, elders should hand on to the police any accusations of sexual assault or child abuse. they dont need to find out what happened thats the police job.
Thanks for sharing your story, hope all works out well for you and your family. Stay strong Derek.
I always say that the organization itself, either by their actions or inactions , is the greatest stumbler of sincere Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jim Crofton: That's the great irony of it all. God offers the reward of life and these fallen mortals put stumbling blocks along the way.
Perfectly said Jim kofron
The Watchtower Society is one of the worst cults, if not the worst cult, in the world of organized religion. It is so backward, so "medieval" or "dark age", and so callous that it beggars description.
I am so glad you decided to share your story, and so glad you made your own decision to do what you wanted on your own. In this religion women are held back, treated poorly, like we should be voiceless, opinionless, and below men. This religion hurts so many people, especially people who are hurt within the religion, by abuse. I hope sharing this actually helps you and makes you feel empowered and free.
Empowered and free. … that is exact how I feel. Thank you.
It is a privilege and always has been a greater privilege to serve Jehovah than to serve those who pretend to represent him.
This is why most churches involve the police early in a sexual abuse complaint. The police are experts in collecting and preserving evidence in these cases. My heart hurts for these women.
The police are proffesionals and they do it for free
.my heart goes out to you Meleah. Sadly,the reactions of people on these matters is no surprise to me and not restricted to the JW organisation.
Watchtower has perfected the practice of making a person feel guilty and for blaming the victim.
This is why I never let my kids do sleepovers or be baby sat by anybody. They went to dinner and elsewhere with my wife (their mom) and me because I trusted no one. My experience is that most Witnesses wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. They would help strangers before one another. When I was a kid, my dad and I had an automotive and heavy equipment shop in East Texas. Witnesses always came by wanting free repairs when they were broke but never once did any request work and offer to pay. It got so that I would close the doors and lock up and pretend to be gone when they would come by wanting a freebie. Being shunned rocks and shouldn't be overrated. If you're being shunned, they aren't asking you for money or favors.
i dont trust anyone with my baby either, and i dont like people taking advantage of me either
I had a elder throw my letter in the garbage, my wife at the time asked another elder if they were going to meet with me and he had no idea that I had turned a letter in. Thanks for telling your story. Just shows how unqualified these guys are. Stay strong
God I just love your open honest attitude my friend. BOTH OF YOU. Such strange traumas we go through.
There was a window to take action against the WT regardless of where you live. I think it recently closed, but maybe you should look into it.
Great interview Jonas!
Keep Exposing the Darkness of Watchtower
Please let the young lady know that residents of any state can now file such a claim against WT, since the headquarters is located within NY jurisdiction. Also the suggestion of a group of abused exjw women pursuing a class action suit ( regardless of their home state) is an excellent idea.
The statute of limitations expired in August :(
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma Gracias.
And please let the young lady know that saying the WT as said any of the things she claimed they said, in a court of law, is committing perjury, as not one letter or publication as said any of the things herself or other apostates have accused of
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma is it not possible to still have it filed so its at least on Record?
I totally forgot!!! Wtf!! That seriously made me yell at the TV. 😠😫
I never, ever, let my kids sleep over, always had trust issues even when I believed this was the 'truth'
Wow I thoroughly enjoyed this video! I had already watched all six chapters so far on Meleah’s channel but it was great to get even more insight with this video. Thanks again Meleah for sharing your story and I’m sorry for all you went through. Jonas that was a great interview and I am sorry for what you went through as well as a kid. It’s not right. Great exposing! See y’all in paradise lol
Thanks, Jonas an insightful video. 👍👍👍
Meleah you are one truly brave and courageous person you have put up with far too much for one person.
This is therapy for all who watch this video. Meleah thank you for sharing 👍
Jonas keep them coming 👍
I will. Thanx for your support
Thank you. Means a lot.
Just because people go to the Kingdom Hall don't make them good people
Jonas, I also hope you can heal as well from your abuse. 🤗 🤗 🤗
Thank you for sharing your story young lady !
Oh i just wanted to reach out and give her a big hug! To be treated in such a harsh unloving way in each of her dfing times. I'm happy she got help, and had great friends that helped thru her teen yrs. Great show Jonas!
Right there with you, Meleah. Hugs.
Meleah thank you. You are so articulate and spoke with such clarity. I'm sure your talking today will help many girls to see that therapy is of great benefit and so may get the strength and courage to get help also.
I hope it helps people, no one should have to go through this especially after already being abused. I want it to stop! Thank you for watching. So happy there are people like Jonas getting the truth out there!
My heart breaks for you. My son had a similar experience and I have text messages from an elder from just 2 days ago acknowledging they can’t do anything due to no witnesses and that they take the Brother at his word… 🤯🥺🤬
Sorry to hear that. Save the text message as evidence and contact a lawyer
Go to police!
This is exactly what they do I knew a young girl who had turned her back on her family for the Truth as they a strongly taught to do. She spoke out but not believed she to was labeled as a liar. In 1973 at the international assembly she told me she was having a baby and was to disfellowshiped immediately after the assembly. We returned home she went to her family for help her father said no he had warned her if she turned her back on her family for the religion don't bother coming back. I don't know where she went she disappeared as if she never existed. The sad thing my parents were willing to take her in but we never had the chance to tell her. The heartbreaking thing when the father who denied any wrong doing at the time found out about the baby he then demanded his legal rights. He was very proud that he didn't pay a dime in support as he didn't want to be funding a non-believer. Her daughter would be 43 today I hope they are free from this organization and have had a wonderful life. I wish we were able to get the full numbers of ones that this organization has treated so appalling I know we would be shocked by the sheer numbers
Meleah, I'm so glad that you were able to find the right person and put all of this nonsense behind you. We are the same age, and I also exited this cult very recently. Cheers to you! 🍻
The elders during these judiciary meetings should have to sit back from the table and set one another's hands in a non sexual way atop the groin region of the elder next to them and any of them who demonstrate even the slightest arousal while testimony is given should be instantly disfelowshiped. There would be no more elders in no time at all.
Also, has anyone considered what is probably on the dark web about the Jehovah's Witnesses? Predators on forums excitedly discussing the perfect place to get away with thier predation.
lol! you make a good point there, them telling her she wanted it and all! CRAZY people they are
When my husband physically abused me, he said, "I went to hug her and she fell backwards." Because of his denial, and no other witness, he got no consequences. After I got disfellowshipped he pushed me out of a car, but since I was no longer a JW, he got away with it again. Fast forward, he abused his next wife, and he called her a liar.
This is insane, in addition to sexual abuse, with these 3 elders you even had to undergo a worse a psychological abuse: This is ground for charging these 3 men.
I want to charge the Organization, because they are taught to do this worldwide from the governing body.
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma that is a BS lie, if you said that in a court of law, you are comitting perjury, not one publication or one letter written by the WT as ever said any of the things you or others have accused WT society of.
Horrible. And yes, it's true. Experts agree that raped women can experience orgasms during the rape, it's an involuntary body response, it doesn't mean you wanted it or liked it.
the elders are sick bastards who have no authority or training, to interrogate girls and young women. they are trying to downplay the abuse and make it seem that the victim was complicit. they are only interested in protecting WT not the victims.
Have you already obtained consolidated financial statements of the Watchtower-Group?
Only there you can see the tremendous Profit of the Watchtower-Group, and their enormes, gigantic Richness.
Money Money Money
@@GoatlikePersonality MONEY is the one and only truth for the Watchtower. But Money and their fraud- and blackmailing system will also be their waterloo!
Please watch JW Escape newest Video!
And in your activism work you should also focus more on the criminal money-behaviour of the watchtower grifters!
Thank you Goatlike👍👍👍
Where i can find this information?
@@GoatlikePersonality 💰 💰 💰
Lives are messed up by this unhappy Property Organisation.
Ugh!!!!!!!!🤬 This just brings up things for me.
Woman as yourself, brave and strong, really need to continue to speak out against Watchtower! I was an elder and resigned (stepped aside) I have been in those judicial committee’s when the elders started asking very personal questions to sisters who happen to have sex outside of marriage. And I would interrupt and say wait! This is TMI, none of us need to hear this! I do not want any of this on my mind, or her business out in the open! This is one of the biggest reasons I resigned and faded, that, and the way the organization handled sexual child abuse. I really am very sorry all that happened to you. Stay strong, you’re heading in the right direction now. Hopefully one day I can share my experience.
I would like to have you on my channel. You can do an live disassociation whenever you are ready. Contact me when ready
@@GoatlikePersonality Thank you for the invite, I really appreciate that, absolutely, I would really enjoy being interviewed, I’ll reach out to you very soon.
@@ajnooneslistening6134 Perfect!
i got bullied because they dont like my mom who always answers at watchtower. they only wanted their family members (of the elkders) to always have the spotlight and attention. every sunday after the meeting at the kingdom hall, brothers and sisters come near me and tell my imperfections
in my departure from this cult the more research i do the more and more i am repulsed for ever believing this swill they pitch as "truth". The only truth this corrupt multi billion dollar enterprise has to offer is their open stance against and disregard for basic human rights. i'm disgusted with the leadership and am finding it increasingly difficult to keep my anger and bile down and under control enough to not loose my complete sh!t. i wish Meleah the healing she deserves and that she allows herself the grace to know this was not her fault and remembers that those who see her for who and what she is, a beautiful person with worlds of complexities inside them, not some dispensable publisher who's word only counts if there are witnesses to her pain. this has to stop
Thank-you Meleah for telling us some of your appalling story, be assured that you will have helped many more people to gather their courage to speak out about watchtowers filthy secrets.
Jonas you handled that interview with considerable dignity & grace.
Poor child it would be like living in an nightmare, having to appologise for being abused so that you dont get shunned, but still having others judge and blame you. Imagine living in a " new world " with them. So glad she got away from them. As for the men who questioned her about this the police would like their names, if they were school teachers and questioned a child about abuse and then called her liar after wanting every detail about the assult, they would be banned from going near schools near children.
Sexual abuse is a very psychological traumatic thing for many young children of this organization because of the acts themselves and then as a multiplier by the actions of the organization. The one thing JWs have right is you will know them by their fruits.
Wow a powerful interview Thankyou so much for sharing 💗I had constant sexual abuse growing up before JWs I became a jw because I would be safe my children would be safe, a trauma driven decision which is what this cult preys on. They shredded my family and stole my children, then killed me off or tried. I so related to being victim shunned my husband (ex) and I had four kids he never came in until I caught him cheating 10 years after me and said he would study and we can start from scratch. Of course everyone love bombed him and bullied me into place He cheated again with my f-sister, we broke up divorced. Near everyone pushed me out as that sister rebels against the submissive thing they have going to your husband and men in general. 1 friend newly in almost an elder at his baptism tried to keep me in the social scene as he saw what was happening to me and said it was wrong but didn’t know what he could do. I showed this as they were teasing me about being rebellious against the submissive thing I showed them my 1st crack in the curtain Ephesians 5:21 and said this doesn’t get read out I’ve never seen?! it at a get together haha awkward silence 😂 of course that made things worse. I started pointing out other inconsistencies getting pushed further to the edge until my kids started to believe whatever is getting said about me and terrified I might be right so pushed me over the cliff if your kids are shunning you you die….. breakdown 😢 I’m writing my story in a unique format as I’m a cartoonist and artist. I didn’t fall of the edge I grabbed a tree branch and pulled my self up and jumped of the cliff and into the ocean and swam to the family I had left behind living my best life I have peace and joy in my now 🧜♀️🎠🫶🏼✌🏼
14:24 disagree, father should be there DEFENDING that such questions are improper. You are under 18 so the father should be acting like they DARE ask HIM these questions. In fact both mother and father should be there, ad if to say how dare you ASK US (3 united as family) and not against child, but facing the Elders
Elders are actually instructed by the WT society not to ask personal or embarrasing questions.
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm so glad I left this cult 28 years ago.
Veldig lei meg for hennes og alle andres opplevelser i organisasjonen. ❤ Men. Håper de (JV) fortsetter å behandle medlemmer og deres barn slik de gjør, for det får dem (oss) til å forlate organisasjonen! La de støte ut medlemmer for tullete ting, slik at de begynner å tenke at dette er urettferdig, stygt og umenneskelig. Flott deling! 👍🌷
OMFHOLY SHIT
There is no words to say to you other than 'you're one of the strongest young ladies I've seen who has given there testimony'.
I've also had to stop at 21 minutes because my heart bleeds for you and I have to take a break, so so so sorry Meleah these hideous crimes happened to you.
Thank you for watching and caring, I hope it helps more to speak out.
I would love to talk with this young woman.. she's so brave..
I resonate so much so with her story.. being abused by the brother in-law.. yup that happened to me I was 13 he was 28. Parents asked if I wanted to report it , but we decided no.. eventhough he was not a JW.. the whole reproach thing.. etc. Molested at 4 yrs old.. son of a JW.. many years later, my parents informed me how they went out to dinner with him.. but eh.. it was so long ago I should be " over it by now" .. my sister.. goes back and forth with blame because I was old enough to know better and fight her husband off. Yeah ok... & Yup I was my older sisters side kick aka shapperone .. thought we were bonding but no.. they just used me so they could have their worldly boy friends. And have freedom to go places without our parents.
Add me on Facebook. Same name. I’m so sorry, I would love to talk with you.
So can you imagine if a boy reported that he was sexually assaulted/molested by a male in the congregation? The questions they ask ?
From my experience the elders like to believe their own children couldn't share in the blame. It might cause them to doubt their own parenting and then in turn the congregation might doubt their parenting/shepherding skills.
The actions of the watchtower are very sick, Rutherford was a sick,
Hi Meleah. Welcome to your Way away from that cult. If you want to hear more about that org.
Go to Jason Zeldas videos watch them all, he is helping a lot of former JWS
Don’t loose sight of Jesus Christ , he is the one that can forgive our trespasses, and he will.
Love from Canada Erik Tonnisen
When you "leave things in God's hands" You are leaving matters with a Deity that endorses lies to help his worship, and a Deity that teaches paedophiles to lie, lie and lie till he's tired of lying. Reason: He doesn't joke with his "Theocratic warfare"
You just described the god of Watchtower, not the God of the Bible....
@@mattmurdock2868 I agree with you!
More false slanderous lies
@@adrianthomas2196 Nice to see your still watching so called apostate u tube channels Adrian, ONE DAY SOON THE PENNY WILL FINALLY DROP FOR YOU.
The organisation is satanic, there are no better words to describe it.
Meleah, I want to say how incredibly sorry I am, my heart hurts for you. I'm shocked, flabbergasted, disgusted because I'm from your area, I know your family and I'm certain I know the perpetrators. I left 4 years ago, my best friend woke me up after showing me the ARC. I'm so angry, if you ever need someone or backup, help in anyway, know that you are not alone and deserve a beautiful life outside of the cult.
Message me on Facebook, I’d love to catch up.
Wow that sucks!! So sorry !! That's a bummer,shee's the church member's are bad too!!I'm shocked at the story!!Crazy stuff!!
Okayy it was greaaaaat 2 hear he apologized 2 her but that organizational bullshytz after 2 have him keep his status in the cong. Was craaaaaazi STOOPID incredible
Writing letters in an effort to get reinstated.....I think of it as a major component of the Govering Body Approved Obstacle Course that doesn't exist in any other religion.
"Leaving it in God's hands." Maybe God IS dealing with it with ARC and ex JWs. It is in her/his hands.
She was treated like a goat! - Great interview! - Can we make goat jokes here? 😂 Thank you for diving into this incredibly important topic, explaining the depth of the abuse in detail and how it feels to be mistreated. This cult has normalized abuse on many levels. This is one of the most disgusting inexcusable forms of emotional abuse on top of sexual abuse.
She wasn't a woman she was a child
when you go to the elders you are looking to gain your brother but on these matters to get the evidence then you have to go to the police
it is not always doing what you are told because you are told to scream if there is sexual assault
43:47 When you let false persons represent Jehovah as to what your conscience should be, it destroys the conscience that Jah gave all people. THEY as demons CREATE apathy.
An mental asylum of super sickies, in par with the notorious Catholicism, dark forces own selection
Great.... Thanks.
im claiming that, that cult will put to its end
The abuse policy of Watchtower is adds insult to injury... Especially number 11... The Truth about the Truth is definitely not the truth!!!!
Maleah was disfellowshipped/shunned because she was sexually abused as a minor?/. How short-sighted, backward, callous, and just plain cruel of that cult to disfellowship/shun her and other victims of sexual abuse. Thank you for sharing your poignant story.
SINTO MUITO MUITÍSSIMO PELO AMOR TJ, DISPENSADO A VOCÊ. COMPARTILHO COM SEUS SENTIMENTOS. ESPERO QUE LUTE PELO SEUS DIREITOS. NÃO VEJO A HORA DELES SEREM BANIDOS DA FACE DA TERRA E JULGADOS NA ESFERA CIVIL E PUNIDOS COM RIGOR TANTO O CG COMO OS CRIMINOSOS CONGREGACIONAIS. PAZ E GRAÇA A TODOS.
I love the way you took your power back..bump dem muthafuckas
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If you ask nicely, I might have an interview with you about the book. (If you send me a copy) But please dont advertise your grfic novel in my comment section. (Unless there is goats in your novel)
I spent most of today trying to hate people, in general, especially these people (I was one), less. This video failed me. I want less hate in my life. Now I have more. And it is deserved.
Go with the flow, and come out stronger on the other side
Wow I know your family, we are from the same area
This was triggering😓 it’s crazy to realise how fucked up you were treated.
Jonas, I do enjoy listening to your guests. 🤔But...and I might be overly sensitive toward this, I think maybe your guest should have your undivided attention. Don't you think so too? If you can't keep your eyes off of your messages or whatever it is you are looking away to, maybe you can take the camera away from your face and keep it on your host/guest. Just a friendly suggestion. Also thank you very much for your videos. 👍🏽😉
I dont have a produser… i need to check things up. I am not reading Messages, I am checking microphones, lights etc.
But thanx for your feedback
I have adhd so my focus is always swirling a litle
Sometimes it is the camera freezing, trust me he was definitely listening.
@@GoatlikePersonality 🙂Thank you so much Jonas for all that you do. I have been watching your videos since I left that horrible organization in 2019. I do appreciate all the work you put into making your videos and they have helped so much in my journey. I was in that organization for over 50 years of my life. I was four when my mom was recruited. This young lady is amazing. I can relate to her story. Thank you for sharing her. And thank you Ms. Thompson for sharing your story.
I wonder what the record for getting disfellowshiped is ~~~Any counts more than 4 reading this ??
The reason a 16 year old TAKES the blame for an affair is because her SISTER did the blaming thats she is screwing her husband. I american state laws most 16 can legally marry, many only needing permission for 15. YOU also have JW parents who see no guy for their daughter and THEY ARE pushing 16 together with 18 or 21 with chaperone. My sister at 16 was making out with a 21 year old as mom wanted and as another elder thought was the good thing to do. However, this other elder exalted is own daughter and did not know that i am the one who walked 2 hours to his house because my sister and his daughter met a school boy at the carnival and wanted to PAY my way for rides to keep my mouth shut. I GOT THE BLAME at 15 sacrificing myself by ditching them, not by saying okay let me screw someone too. These people who MAY have sinned (not been abused; come on 16 and 22? while others 16 and 22 get married) make me sick because they dont see real abuse for 12 or 14 by 35 and 40. Tired of seeing WT forced to give millions $$ to 16 and 17 whores while the 9-12 year old girls NEVER get to court. I got some experiences for you, a pile of clothes on a door so they cant close it then they accuse me of looking at them in underclothes.
doing what you are told would mean screaming
children dont always do what they are told tho, are you saying its her fault?
@@nicksanders9148 if a child disobeys they have some blame
of they have position or influence at kingdom hall, they are untouchable. its not god who govern the organization and in every congregation. it's the people who rule in that cult. they just take advantage to others then after they commit crime, they will act like saint like they never done wrong in their lives.i
Jonas video on raped age 11 by an age 16. Proper way to obtain 2 witnesses to crime. Elder interference in single dating tagging things which are not fornication. Lewd married baptized adults who put burdens on singles, and USUALLY are adult married persons who were of world fornication before their baptism.
This word at age 16 against her word at 11 is not what the scriptures says. It says that she is to confront him to see what he says (matters not if its recorded or not), for her protection someone can be outside the door. it then says you create the first witness by going to him time #2 and this totally unaffiliated person becomes a witness of what he says to her 2nd confrontation to him. The victim has already told this "elect-witness" her side of story, and now she confronts the accused in front of witness #1 who will hear her repeat what she had said and listen for changes she might make, and hear what he says to the SAME charges in front of them (another) person. This 1st witness will see if he replies the same to her as she claims he had replied in solitude with her. Because this 1 witness does not know if his personal sole presence reply was different or not, this is why you bring a 3rd person (a 2nd witness and with the 1st witness again) because the 2 people will be able to say his story keeps changing which then makes him guilty. THEN you take it to the elders and you say this is accused, this is victim, and these are the 2 witnesses to him twisting the story 3 times.
Had this been done with me, it would have proven he tried to say in private that THEY ALL KNOW i am trying to pick on and remove elders one at a time. Instead i had 20 people witness an apology by him that said he was SORRY he ever did any thing FOR me (not against me, but FOR me; as if he had been of christian assistance to me). This was done so he could give tomorrows Sunday talk without accusation.
The elder-processis of demons and watchtower demons, not of Jehovah nor of his 144,000 whom they also attack with GB permission. Since i am not of the 144,000 i choose to be like John the Baptizer and defend those the watchtower kills of the 144,000. Sadly for 40 years Jehovah has had to replace 144,000 remnants of raped BatheSheba wife of righteous Uriah who could not handle the rape by David by David who dared think this child would sit on Jah's throne. The throne of Jah's is for the 144,000 temple not for the watchtower appointed to feed. They have raped and try to put the bastards aka elders on Jah's throne. But by letting Satan move in as 25,000 partaker our Jehovah was able to retain 7000 during these 40 years. Their appearance after the final slaughtered Lamb will prove any and all anointed left on earth as fakes, because only when complete will the 144,000 get the same 40 days Jesus got to revive his scattered church this year.
The elders like to close cases that are open in Jah's eyes. They also like to say that if one word against another's word that speaking of it is slander. How can it be slander of it requires 2 witnesses that the word or story is false. When here it is equally one word against the other according to them.
Hi Richard. I am happy you leave comments. But I want to be honest and tell you that I from now on only have time to read the short one. When you write a novel in the comment section I just dont have the time to read and underline with different colours :-D
the two witness rule is Gods rule you dont get to change that you dont get to make any exception
but you should protect children
@@nicksanders9148 of course you protect children by not allowing them to go off without your supervision. you should teach children how they should react when someone may try to molest them even screaming and fighting.
The JWs are not a Christian organization. They are more like a cult. With multiple wives for many, this is evident. Sorry that you went through that. // To have a connection with God, He sent Jesus to be our mediator... Jesus when He was on earth said: "Follow Me"... He did not say: Follow the 10 commandments, Follow what the priests are saying, Follow what your parents are doing/teaching.... Following Jesus as a person is a live vibrant walk. This is why we go to heaven... to continue that walk / connection with God / Jesus.
- If you don't believe in God... just say: "God I don't believe that You exist. But if You do, then show Yourself to me.. so that I never doubt You again". If He responds, then great. If He doesn't, then you would have lost nothing for asking.
- If you don't think that Jesus is important in God's plan for you... ask God about Jesus and how that all works for His plan of Salvation for you.
On further consideration, a friend reports something personal about you, deny by lying ? How about not confirming nor denying. Rather, "I can't say right now. I am still looking for a second and third witness." Have you gone to authorities ? " I'm sure Jehovah's organization will cooperate with civilian authorities. God's guiding spirit will advise you."
To religious people who believe in the *fictional* Abrahamic god YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah, please learn his origins. He was originally a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon and son of the chief Canaanite god El.
Yes, the *fictional* god of the Israelites and Christians is the same *fictional* god of the Muslims as well - the Abrahamic god.
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*Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.*
*It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant.
*Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon*
The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:*
When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text).
The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.*
Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest.
*As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722).
Google *"Yahweh - **WorldHistory.Org.**"*
Watch Dr Christine Hayes at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes.
Google *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."*
Google *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."*
Google *"Canaanite Religion - **Realhistoryww.com**"*
Google *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."*
Google *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
Google *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
Google *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."*
Google *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."*
Google *"The Invention of God - Maclean's"*
Google *"The Boundaries of the Nations - Yahweh Elohim."*
Google *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."*
Google *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."*
Google *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"*
Google *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"*
Google *"Mark Smith: "Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh's Ascendancy - Lehi's Library."*
Google *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
Google *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."*
Google *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"*
Google *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."*
Google *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."*
Google *"Biblical Polytheism - Bob Seidensticker."*
Google *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."*
Google *"Decoupling YHWH and El - Daniel O. McClellan."*
Google *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."*
Google *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
tik tok ~~~~~islam Do Muslims believe that Yahweh (Jehovah) from the Jewish tradition is the same as Allah ??
Even if the crime is murder you need evidence. You need a body, you need a weapon, you need a witness or a confession... I’m pretty sure the police wouldn’t even waste man power for “boobgate”
1. Obviously if you were sleeping in a room with a boy and some girls and the girls were sleep so they didn’t SEE or HEAR you protest or scream .. that’s weird on YOUR PART.
2. If you just seen your friend get a creepy massage from her dad and she went to take a nap. That’s weird on YOUR part for sticking around and letting him give you a creepy massage too.
It’s elementary, Watson... it’s not really a Sherlock Holmes mystery as to why you keep going around boys while your friends are “sleep”. 🧐🧐🧐🧐 LETS BE HONEST! ..
Severe, come on bro, I'm not downing her experience, but this me2 movement is crazzzyyy, ( come onnn she said her dad ""WASNT"" A WITNESS, BUT THENNNN SAID THEY SAID THEY WOULD TAKE PRIVELEGES AWAY FROM HIM IF "" HE"" WENT 2 POLICE, ) U DONT GET PRIVILEGES UNLESS YOUR An ""ACTUAL"" WITNESS, and she said he WASNT EVEN STUDYING so howwww cud he?? At least if unbaptized publisher he Was, thenn they could revoke his going out in service. Come onnn mannn.
No I was talking about my brother in law. Not my dad when I said he wasn’t a witness.
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma oh okay, I really 4 u bcuz I know the bullshytz of dealing with them, it just didn't come across as that. Glad u out of there and were about same age so kudos 2 u.
Thats what I was thinking
Why would your parents allow uto do a sleepover when u had a sexual encounter in the past...
My parents did not protect me from abuse. Come to find out as an adult my mothers sisters and likely herself were molested by her father. She put it out of her mind, her abuse and mine. In the moment she would be furious, after time passed it was as if it never happened.
This guy doing the interview is laughing at very inappropriate times and seems to be "entertained" by some of the despicable attacks that the young lady is relaying in the interview. I don't know if anybody else gets that
Impression or not.
I dont do that on purpuse. Sorry if you found it offensive.
I'd like to know what's wrong with your parents at is your first job as a parent to protect your children they're just as guilty as the rest of them why would your parents let you go over and stay at a house that a coholic was that I don't understand your parents
We didn't know he was an alcoholic until he died from it
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma I'm sorry I didn't realize that I feel very sorry for you that no one was there for you went through the same thing honey I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness I understand
@@Overcomingreligioustrauma I'll tell you what if someone had done to my child what they did to you I know they don't believe in hell but it would have come to them that day they would of thought there was a hell by the time I got done with them cuz they would have thought Rambo was after them