A free charger and install came with our new PHEV, Toyota C-HR. Unfortunately, neither the car nor the charger is presently compatible with Intelligent Octopus so we’ll either use Octopus Go or Agile. Don’t want to leave Octopus, been with them for several years and they’re by far the best supplier I’ve been with (tried them all in 50 years!). Waiting for my smart meter install and then charger. Not a big fan of running washing machine etc overnight, due to safety and noise, so Agile looking more likely. We can load shift during the day. You’re never too old to take advantage of new technology, we’re nearly 80! ⚡️⚡️
For those yet to have an EVSE installed, British gas smartcharge tariff if you have a hive charger fitted gives you 12 months free charging then 7.9p Kwh off peak with 4p Kwh credit if plugged in for 6hr including between 12 - 5am
With OI you get at least 6 hours. I tend to only charge when I’m getting low. Then when I charge IO gives me extra hours if required. The house also benefits from this lower rate as well.
On Octopus Intelligent Go I have got into the habit of using the dishwasher and wshing machine at 11.30pm to take advantage of the 7ppkwh instead of 24.9ppkwh it all adds up.
Great advice, I’ve just booked octopus to fit a wall charger , I’m already a customer, but this is a bit more of a reassurance for me , I’ve just ordered a vw I’d buzz cargo , my first ev Thanks
I have a 16 kWh domestic battery, an MG4 EV, solar panels an Ohme and a ground source heat pump. What I'd really like is an electrician who can check my entire system and make sure it is optimised without buying a load of new kit. Basically a consultant.
Sound's like a good niche but would take a skilled person knowing HP operations as well as solar and batteries and tarrifs. Someone like heatable might be in a position to know this sort of thing. Otherwise the best HP engineers would be the best bet.
If you mean optimised for cost you can work it all out in excel. Assuming you're with octopus you can export your usage data to excel. The home battery and solar system should also provide data in excel to see what they are doing. Then make sure any energy import is done at the cheapest time on your import tariff. I think octopus now pay 15p per kWh for export so you probably want to export whenever you can and charge both home battery and EV battery during the off peak rate. Prior to this export tariff it was usually better to charge your batteries with excess solar first, before exporting, so definitely worth looking into that.
@@JohnR31415The difficulty is the HP performance is dependent on many variables including heat loss calculations, the pipe bore size, radiator dimensions etc
for me it is a simple choice on Octopus agile just wait for the wind to blow and basically free and I can be real flexible and the gains from that are great. So far when I compare using octopus compare between the two tariffs, Agile overall this month is 30 quid cheaper
I've been on agile since Nov 23. Hot water is on immersion. Very rare that l need heating in a first floor flat, but that's electric too. Was averaging 13p per kwh. Got my EV and Ohme in June. According to ohme average cost of electricity for charging is just under 7.5p per kwh so I'm beating intelligent. Whole home average is under 10p per kWh. I use agile predict to decide which days to charge. We do 50 miles a day ish during the week, with 250+ mile range in summer we can easily get through a few expensive days until we get cheap electricity again. I think weve had 8 or so charging sessions at negative prices. I need to find a local friend with an EV as i wasn't able to use all of it! Price per kWh will go up in winter, but most of our miles are done in summer for my partner's work, which is seasonal. It feels good to be able to optimise load which helps the grid over a several day period rather than just in a 24 hour period.
Good video and explanation ! I am on Oct INTL and almost run my house and car cost neutral.... (having PV and Batteries) - Oct has one of the best customer services as well.
One thing I was surprised at, but is worth considering when working out your numbers; I see around 10% losses between my Zappi and my car (the Zappi sends 10kWh, but the car only increases by equivalent of 9kWh), and I think that's fairly normal. Good to see you being realistic with the kWh usage number, but this 10% loss also makes a meaningful difference for folks following along at home!
I’m on Intelligent Octopus Go. You set the percentage of charge needed to top up your battery each time you charge, so if your car is at 40% now, you need to add 60%. Octopus send a schedule of times for each charging session. If the charge you need can’t be done within the standard 6hr period, Octopus will extend the hours as needed. If you have a home battery, you need to charge it at the same time as your car otherwise the home battery will be drained to charge your car.
Great update on how to work out what's cheapest for you. I've recently fixed with Ovo and doing the maths thankfully it's the cheapest option for me. On average I use 13% of my electricity between midnight and 7am, putting that into your figures Ovo is cheapest. Plus they have anytime charge so work out when's best to charge day or night when you need your car ready!
I’ve noticed that nobody seems to talk about Utility Warehouse and the tariffs that they offer. I’m on the Economy 7 Tariff, so that’s 7 hours from 0030 to 0730 daily at a night rate of 5.057p per KWh, a day rate of 31.461p per KWh. Standing charge of 52.902p per day. It’s a 5 bed home which uses twice the national average of power just as a base usage. Then add 2x EV’s and a hot tub at night sometimes. Our energy bills are BELOW many others in similar houses without an EV. 7 hours at 5p per KWh, nobody else is beating that in the UK without solar etc.
One factor is the smart meter. Not all work as expected due to communication issues. Ours goes AWOL regularly and TOU becomes unreliable. Octopus was no longer working for us. EON allows us to use the 2 rate old economy 7 which suits us fine. Plus we have neither car on list and givenergy charger not yet on OI compatible. So choices are sometimes limited.
That extra 1-2 hours with EON makes it very worth it for our house. Four adults in the house...... Early showers and use of the breakfast microwave gives us an average use of 1.5kWh at off peak before the 7am threshold. Very crudely, these examples of saving alone is a minimum of £60pa. You briefly mentioned export. EON pays us £0.165/kWh. Octopus fan I am but no qualification on Intelligent is a frustration. I think EON might also do the referral too. Mike.
Thanks again for another informative video. As an EV owner, heat pump user ( no gas on premises), 9 kw of solar and 25 kw of battery storage, i thought i was on the best rates available with Intelligent Octopus, however since reading the comments about Tomato Energy, who to be honest i'd never heard of till reading the comments here, i think i'll be swapping to them. The majority of the Trust Pilot reviews seem positive enough. Over the past 3 months, i've been quite p##### off with my standing charge being more than my electricity costs. Can i ask why you never used Tomato Energy in your calculations as they surely must be up there as one of the cheapest? Can any existing Tomato customers pass comment on how they've been?
I'm not clear on why you excluded OVO? What do you mean it didn't include the house usage? I like your channel but it's a little suspicious you excluded the only other provider that offers the Octopus Intelligent style smart charging and have an Octopus affiliate link in the description and then you hand wave that exclusion away without any real explanation....
Depends on what daily mileage you need .. if you only drive 100 or 200 miles a week then charging on the granny lead for a few off peak hours occadionally might be all you need. £1000 to have a proper EVSE fitted is an awful lot of cheap leccy! You can buy a simple to fit ev socket for £50 altho it would be prudent to get the circuit checked out. And if you can use solar and/or a storage battery it will be even cheaper!!
I've worked out that compared to a diesel that gets 40mpg it would take me 7000 miles to pay back the electric car charger cost, with work and personal mileage being close to 12000 a year, I don't think it's too long. But that is my scenario. Have a good day.
@@Soulboy63 it's a 3 pin socket designed for the longer charging times like for an ev. Halfords sell them I got one it's Masterplug brand. Or you could spend a bit more, around £200 for a 16A commando plug type which has the option of 5 different current settings, got one of those too :)
Maybe the numbers have changed but as of today, it looks to me like EON drive is cheaper than Octopus Intelligent Go? Lower overnight rate, and longer and lower day rate (at least where I live)? Maybe it’s regional? Their gas is also cheaper than Octopus too. Either way great video - coming to it later than usual as looking to switch
I went through a similar process a while back and plumbed it all into a spreadsheet! No doubt I'll need to do this every year to make sure I'm on the best plan.
@@JohnR31415 Some of the recent Octopus tests give me the feeling that they might be going to cut back on things like home battery charging. Fingers crossed they're not.
In Oz we have the perfect EV deal - 8c/kWh or roughly GBP80 ( $A156 ) for a year's driving. (assuming 14,000 km in a Tesla Model 3 Highland at average 140w/km ). There is no need for a smart meter and the deal does not affect the basic tariff with the supplier. How does it work? The EV driver basically gives the power retailer controllable load and agrees to plug in whenever at home. The power retailer (currently only from Origin Energy) is able to arbitrage the wholesale electricity price and may even charge your car when wholesale prices have turned negative. The deal depends on being able to remotely control when a Tesla charges and on the owner being able to pass that control over to a third party (currently only available for Tesla). If an immediate charge is needed, the driver can override the energy company control, will pay full tariff and, for that charge session, will not be discounted to the EV price. I have never needed to take an immediate charge.
We only use a granny charger and have Eon.Next. It’s not worth us getting a proper charger for the saving we could get on Octopus. Charging up 70 miles ish every night is fine for our needs, don’t need to charge 200 miles in a night. The occasional public charge (probably 6 timed as year) means still saving a huge amount compared to an ICE car. If we had more than one EV and needed more regular charging for both, a proper charger would be needed and it would be worth looking at other providers.
@@jamesdaw131 Can't speak for SuperTed, but I only use a granny lead (so far), and have taken no precautions whatsoever... in fact, in direct contravention to the manufacturer's instructions, the box on my granny lead is usually outdoors (although I do cover it with a plastic box - or my old Jag! - to prevent it getting actually rained on, and I raise it off the floor to make sure it doesn't end up sat in a puddle). Zero problems after 18 months. I wouldn't recommend you follow my path though!
@@jamesdaw131 I had a new covered outside socket put in by an electrician who does it all the time for EV’s. I’m not technical in any way but the socket is designed with a safety cut-off and is specifically used for the EV,
@@theelectricmonk3909 thanks. It’s hard to justify £1000 for an EV charger (complicated by the fact our fuse box is miles from the front of the house) when we only need a full charge every 3 weeks.
@@jamesdaw131 pretty much the same for me, I usually charge up once every 2 weeks, or a bit sooner. I also don't have timers on most of my appliances, so taking advantage of the cheap rate power isn't something I can do just yet. Maybe next year...
The average on Octopus Intelligent on these figures is 16.45p/kWh. I do a similar mileage but average 4.2 miles/kWh over a year. For the last 12 months I used 5562kWhs at a cost of £803.59, an average of 14.45p/kWh. I know it's a bit more effort and doesn't suit everyone but on Octopus Agile I'm £111 cheaper than Intelligent Octopus Go.
@keithdenton8386 I presume that's with solar and/or battery,they completely change the scenario. This video was about the cheapest tariffs without solar or battery, once they are brought into the equation there are too many variables to easily identify the best tariff.
@@MarkSherwen No I have not got solar, or battery. No point when my costs are so low. I'm at work when the electric is high, and home when it@s cheap. 7.5 pence. It's not rocket science. My car never charges at anything else as OI takes care of it.
I moved to E.on next drive from octopus Intelligent go last month. The calculations are a little different if you include a certain amount of solar export, it'll be different for everyone as you say.
I have solar panels, on the FIT. I thought all energy companies paid the same rate for the power i produce feed into the grid. I've had them for 10 years. Currently I'm with BG for my electricity (no Gas) and feed in with Scottish power. Would i get more from Octopus ?? Just having an ev charger installed and want to change to an ev tariff and fix price before cap rises next month.
I have exactly the same 2 cars as you , both low miles though, used to be on Intelligent but now saving a lot on Agile , plus a lot on the House also .... seems to suit us but heat pump soon , so hopefully it will still suit..
I guess it's next to impossible to guess where Agile would fall on this chart? It's hard enough with OI due to the variable amount of cheap rate hours you get. Those extra hours can make a big difference in the winter with a heat pump and battery storage. With a mix of solar, battery and the OI I can sometimes run most of the day on cheap rate electricity even on the coldest winter days. Then add in the saving sessions and power ups(free electricity). Pretty sure I will stick to Octopus as TBH if it wasn't for them I doubt anyone would be offering these types of tariffs and grid balancing initiatives.
Im with EDF but on the goelectric tariff, just wondering if you looked at that or just went straight to evolve, the main difference being goelectric is fixed (25.47/8.99) and evolve is variable (22.36/12.36)
You now need to include Tomato Energy for this to be a full comparison. They are charging 5p per kWh from midnight to 6 am. Have two other periods of cheap rate at 13.37p 9.30 -11.30 every morning and 10p.m. to midnight plus there standing charge is only 40.82p a day with no exit fees as using the same formula the cost is below £800 p.a.
I did all the same sums and decided that Octopus Flux is best for me at least in summer when I am a net exporter. Flux gives great export rates but only a 3 hour window of cheap power and even that is not as cheap as Go. The money I make from export more than makes up for the extra cost of Flux import vs Go. This would all be different if I was a high EV user but for me the 3 hours per night is ample and I rarely make use of all of it. I might switch to Go for the winter - not decided yet. My EV and battery is not compatible with IGo so this is not a option for me. Everyone is different.
I'm not sure I could get my household night usage to 40%. Maybe if I had a heat pump. I don't use the washing machine at night as it's too loud but even if I did it wouldn't get us anywhere near 40%. The dishwasher goes on at night but doesn't use all that much. Most of our usage is the base load and cooking which is all the 19 hours classed as peak.
@@sargfowler9603 Maybe people are using washer/dryers. Obviously uses much more electricity. Personally I don't use the washer at night as the spin cycle is loud and also I would then have to hang it out in the morning before work. As I can hardly get some toast and coffee down me in time then hanging the washing out at 7am isn't happening! 😄 I'm on Agile so in the summer it's set to come on in the cheap afternoon slot and I can hang it out later.
5 hours off peak with a completely flat power usage all day is already over 20%. One washing machine/dish washer/tumble dryer (which uses 1-4kWh alone) would easily surpass 40%.
@@ElectricVehicleMan My base load overnight is just 47w (basically fridge freezer and router) so that 235Wh for the 5 hour period. The real world day base load is much higher because there is a computer on and a TV much of the time. But admittedly most of my usage is for cooking/kettle. So realistically if I don't purposely add loads at night my usage is about 4% in that 5 hour window.
Doing your own research is real. If you're stuck on low granny charger speeds, the extra couple of hours of lower rate really adds up. This could be a more common use case for people who will buy older generation EVs that won't be able to use Octopus Intelligent or similar tariffs.
Theses tariffs are based on a yearly basis. Correct me if I'm wrong but I changed from oct go to british gas because it's a Fixed tariff. Octopus go will follow the price cap next month which will go upwards.
What about Octopus Agile? I reckon it's close to octopus intelligent, for people who are at home during the day the savings could be huge, although they're less likely to use their EV much unless perhaps they work nights
@@ElectricVehicleMan I think, over the course of the year it'll be around 7p per unit. I've had agile for over a year but I haven't worked it out, but as I say it's only really worth it for people who are home in the day
Any chance of reviewing the EVNICULUS Chademo to CCS adapter? (other re-branded adapters available). It's potentially a huge game-changer for the used Nissan LEAF market, being able to use CCS charging everywhere. I suggest that many LEAF owners sell their car because of the lack of Chademo chargers, and the associated "Where's the nearest Chademo" anxiety. It may be the difference between me selling mine and keeping it forever, as a superb run-about .... but it's an expensive bit of kit.
@@davidjohnbarnard they're a new company with a cheap rate and standing charge that both undercut Intelligent Go by 30%. They're either going to fly, or die under a mountain of customers which they probably can't handle.
@@71brp84 I think I'm going to try it??? - with heating oil at an all time low (3 years) + cheap electric, my bill are less than £1000 / year for an old grade G house.
I'm not sure how but my domestic usage is 15-16 kWh. With no home battery or solar and only doing 400-500 miles a month and ev tariff is hardly worth it for me. Basically what I'm saying is don't assume you'll save by switching
Not forgetting Octopus Int gives you daytime charging at off peak rates (whole house) so savings can be massive. Example my last month usage 401 kWh cost £71.56 a average of 12.17p kWh unit including Standing charge..
Got my EV in June. Just got billed for 10th June to 31st August. 11.7p per kWh including standing charge. 1777.9kwh. Hot water is on immersion. Octopus agile. I use agile predict to look at prices a few days out and hold off charging until the cheapest days. Hot water and Ohme charger both controlled by home assistant.
I just moved from Octopus GO to EON Next drive(6.7 pence/Kwh!!!), I have solar (16 pence export per Kwh with EON!) and 9Kwh batteries plus a new heat pump. 7 hours at night means I can have warm house at 7 am for peanuts (between 3 to 4 times cheaper than gas depending on efficiency) and then let it go down gently till midnight. Also, battery is 100% charged at 7 am, this makes a huge difference to reduce using expensive daytime electricity to heat house before midnight. Also, big deal to me with everything going on worldwide and energy prices, the rate is fixed for 12 months! Finally, the tariff is compatible with all evs and chargers, I am not even sure you need to have an ev, I never provided any proof. If you have large batteries, heatpump, ev and solar it is a no brainer. I would say if you have just batteries is already a good idea, even without exporting (10 pence gain per Kwh if you charge at night and export at daytime).
Been struggling to get on Octopus Intelligent. My Skoda Enyaq is supposed to qualify but it's simply not completing the switch over so I've had to sign up for Octopus GO. So I get an hour less charging and pay 1.5p/kw more. Octopus are encouraging me to keep trying the switch, but now I'm concerned that if I manage it, will it let me down on a charge at some point, whereas the car timer never does. I understand why the IO can "grant" extra hours outside the night rate but why oh why should GO be more expensive per kw.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Hi. Thanks for replying. But when I was trying to get on IO I made sure no timers were set on tjd vehicle, plus it had latest software and location was on. The procedure appeared to be going well but always failed at the last stage. It's making of feel IO might well let me down at some stage if I can get on it at some point.
A certain RUclips channel I could mention keeps referring to an EV average of 4 miles per KWH. This undermines some of his, often very good, content. I am so glad that you give a far more realistic and accurate average of 3.5 miles per KWH. Much more in line with the real average, even for modern EV’s.
It's kinda sad that you're advocating for an EV channel to down-grade average efficiency figures, don't ya' think...? EVM's own Mii regularly does 6m/kWh. His Tesla regularly over 4m/kWh. My i3 has only once dropped below 4m/kWh in a -10°C winter and regularly does 4.5-5m/kWh winter-to-summer. If the car buying public would just stop thinking they NEED a 2-tonne, aerodynamically-inefficient SUV electric car to take the kids to school in, we'd be pushing those average figures even higher...!
@@jonathantaylor1998 Not advocating a lower efficiency at all. I wish the average was far higher but in general, the 3.5 average for current EV’s used by EVM is spot on.
Could you do an update on the charging networks as I'm moving company and could be getting an electric car next April trying to see who has best coverage/ chargers available and prices/ how to access. Cheers I love the videos
You'd be lucky to find that one or even two or three networks cover all your journeys. I've only public charged once in ten weeks, but looking at the half dozen places we go once every year or two, I can easily see us using half a dozen networks. Even for the in-laws the optimally located chargers are on different networks on the way up and back (thankfully we normally get the train from that one). Once all Tesla locations are open to all cars they will come close to the only network I need. Until then I'll keep using zap map.
A lot of miles on IO and they extend your hours of cheap electricity. Also if you leave for work at 4am so will only get 4 hours to charge at cheap rate..
Octopus Agile is worth considering for anyone dull enough to track this daily and charge your EV when prices are low. Compared to Octopus Intelligent, I've saved £300 in the last 12 months and have even been paid to charge my EV on windy days!
I did Agile a few years ago, but I can't see how it's worth it now - the average low is 2-3x higher than Go and Intelligent as far as I can see. And then there's the 4-7pm peak...
With large variations of daily charge, if like me you are a low grid user (large amounts of solar available) the daily charge becomes significant. Last year with two EVs, my daily charge exceeded the energy used.
We drive about 17k miles per year total. Because most of my PV is off-grid (66 out of 87 panels) I do not export to the grid. The off-grid PV is about 1 mile from home. For 9 to 10 months of the year the 21 home panels support the house. At other times energy is transferred to the home using two 30kwh battery trailers. Unfortunately I still need the grid to charge the EV's for about 6 weeks in the depths of winter. About 75% if my annu8 electricity bill is the standing charge. Last year my total electricity bill was about £200.
Surprised Ovo didn't make the list, 7p / kWh intelligent overnight charging with solar support. It's between Ovo & Octopus for my next contract, just need to dig into the detail as Ovo giving me 21p / kWh export from my solar.
@@ElectricVehicleMantrue, but I think you glossed over the fact that people need to shift their usage in to the low rate window. So the dishwasher and washing machine are in whilst you’re in bed etc. How many people actually do that.
@@ObsidianWalker Almost everyone on a time of day tariff. Thats the point of one. Even without moving big stuff, 5 hours+ at a cheaper rate for the house as well is still a clear benefit. Ovo doesn’t offer that.
Intelligent octopus adds extra half hour cheap slots to charge your car if it can't do it in the off peak time, and will sometimes give you extra ones anyway.
Can't wait to get on IOG but we got the Givenergy EVSE and a car that isn't compatible. So we don't qualify. Don't suppose you have any intel about how soon it will be integrated with Intelligent Octopus Go?
Given the title claiming to show me the cheapest EV charging tariff, I had hoped to see how my own arrangement compared with others but you have only used suppliers who constrain their cheap EV rate to a limited number of night time hours. I use OVO who charge me 7p/kWh at any time day or night. Was there any specific reason you did not consider this, more flexible option ?
I’ve been with Octopus for years, during which time I’ve been trying to get them to install a smart meter. What do I have to do to get them into action? I’ve been exporting solar power to the grid for most of this year, and apart from what has been used for the house I’ve had no benefit from the export. Is there any point in my even considering an electric car (which I would really like) if I don’t have a smart meter?
If you can plug the car in during the day, you can always use the solar to charge it, rather than exporting it for no benefit. If you can't plug in during the day, then maybe consider a home battery, if you can afford it, to store the solar power, then charge the car from the battery at night. I have no idea how hard it is to create such a setup, it's something I'll be looking into when I move next year, hopefully to a house with a south facing roof...
I use Oct intel with my Tesla with a three pin plug, on the lowest charge rate 5 amps. That way I mostly get 12 hours of cheap electric for the whole house. Saves a fortune.
How does this work please? I’m looking into getting a Tesla and was looking at the Tesla charger but it’s expensive with fitting! Does three pin take forever to charge? And using the low amps means it’s pulling the same electricity as an appliance?
@@fasn279 Yes it takes a long time to charge, But his will depend on how much you need. I set on 100% but it nevers gets to that. But Octopus thinks I need that so it gives me the longest cheap time it possibly can. Last week I ran the car down to 30% on Tuesday, and now Friday it's at 80%. I did not use the car much in those days. I have had my Tesla for three years and never needed anything more than the three pin plug.
How come no one mentions "Agile" anymore? Being a low mileage owner and charging on an average every 7-10 days. I am charging regularly below and on average cheaper than "IO". In fact the last two months has seen me regularly topping up on plunge pricing.
As said, this is based on averages. You're a low user so it's going to different. Plus the volatile nature of Agile makes it extremely difficult to predict for 12 months.
Just last week Ohme/Octopus have introduced Dynamic charging (at least its the first time made available to me) which means I can plug in whenever and they might charge outside the 11pm-5am window at no more than the 7p rate. You might get less. I didn't quite trust it but detailed bill shows it charged from 7pm at reduced rate, and also seems to have put the whole house on that rate too.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Aye, but up until last week though I was signed up I couldn't use it as the Ohme didn't talk to my car. The new update with the added dynamic switch seems to have resolved it. Happy days.... knew I'd get there in the end 😃
@@JohnR31415 Thanks John this is what Ohme sent through. These changes mean it is working for me now when it wasn't before. 🙂 We’re making some important Ohme app changes for Intelligent Octopus Go drivers from 22nd August 2024. Here's what you need to know: 🔒 To make sure you have plenty of time to reach your charge target, you'll need to turn off your price cap. ⏱ This unlocks additional cheap charging slots outside of 23:30-05:30 which you won't want to miss. 🎯 If you don't turn your price cap off, you might not reach your desired charge target.
errr..... Tomato Energy is 5p off peak, 40p standing charge - although whether I'll change is another thing?, but 30% cheaper than IOG?? - which accorging to your number 1, it saves £300 ish?
@@JohnR31415 2 daytime rates which are scattered throughout the day. 0600-0930 is 23.16pkwh, 0930-1130 is 13.37pkwh, 1130-2200 back to 23.16pkwh, 2200-2359 is 13.37pkwh. Cheap rate is 0001-0600 at 5kwh.
Same on agile. New feature for this summer, I think. Handy but does mean I have to remember to edit the prices in the spreadsheet manually as the agile prices don't reflect these free periods.
Assuming that you have an OI compliant charger (such as ohme) can you charge any EV - including ones that Octopus can''t read the SOC? I don't see how you can as surely the point of the "intelligent" tariff" is that Octopus decide which hours to charge the car to reach the required SOC at a particular time. If they can't monitor the car's SOC how can they work out how to charge it?
The Ohme app is compatible with many cars that octopus is not, too. I've put my Kia connect credentials into the Ohme app and voila, it has SOC. It's a bit flakey though on some plug ins the Ohme app says it can't connect to the car.
Can you charge your batteries with the night time rate as well as charge the EV? Just wondering if the ‘flow’ rate or whatever manages to get both topped up. And also if it’s allowed to charge batteries in off peak to use in on peak time?
@@Itsmebradders Yes I can charge the house batteries at the same time as the cars on the night time rate. it works well especially in the winter months.
@@n1ch0las51 sounds useful indeed! Do you configure that through an app then? Is your battery in conjunction with solar as well?(hence comments about using in winter)
@@Itsmebradders The house batteries are configured to charge via the timer option in the inverter. The cars are setup using the timers available in both cars. I found this the easier method. I have a zappie and a podpoint charger The Podpoint I have had for 14 years when I got my first Nissan leaf. I now have an MG ZS trophy and a 13 plate Nissan Leaf.
@@n1ch0las51 good to know, I’m just about to get an Enyaq and just considering all the options available. I’ll be getting a pod point home charger as well.
Thankfully I’ve recently installed a AIO 13.5 so just charge battery and car between midnight and 7am at 6.9p and bingo 99% usage is at that rate ( in the summer at least )
@@Joe-lb8qn depends on your cooking. We do more oven food over winter than summer, so our usage goes up. OI extra hours make a big difference, with the battery charging whenever the car does.
Since we got our air fryer we hardly use the oven and it uses a lot less energy. There's only two of us though. Two air fryers would probably still be cheaper than the oven if you're feeding four people.
I have a Nokia e that does about 6500 miles per year and I charge about once every 7 to 10 days so I don't think I would save money due to the increased daily rate. Also, we have a prepayment smart meter and I don't think there are any tarifs for these.
Try researching Economy 7 or Economy 9/10 prepayment tariffs to see if they suit your pattern of usage. Use the car's internal timer to stay in the economy window, assuming you are using a granny cable.
Surprised you didn't mention tomato energy which has the lowest off peak and standing charges as well as 2 lower rates in the daytime. Also the other benefit of octopus intelligent is the extra slots you can get outside of the standard off peak rates
I wish I could make use of a cheap rate to charge my EV, but Octopus have been unable to get my smart meter working for over 6 months now. Not only am I paying full price to charge the car, but solar panels and home battery are unviable. Not very happy with wanting to go green and not being able to due to something as simple as them not being able to fix my meter... I recently read that 20% of the country's smart meters do not work. This is a national scandal that nobody is taking about!
Yep. Octopus are not good at sorting issues out. Can't understand how they get such good ratings. I had similar issues with my smart meters. Both worked fine for the first month. Electric stopped working. 3 months to change meter then the gas stopped working then the electric again stopped working. another 3 months passed before they were both replaced. On the replacement day the guy had to replace the electric smart meter 3 times before he got the last one to work. They have been fine since which was 6 months ago. The only other issue is with the IHD. Worked for a month & never worked since. I use the octopus mini now which has been fine. Complain & ask for a supervisor & compensation. They are more than happy to offer compensation, although it did take a month for a supervisor to get in touch. Keep pushing their buttons. Firm, but polite.
This was obviously a calculation based on EVM circumstances. If you are a heavy user, have batteries, heat pump or even have no gas then you should research your own usage and time of use. I use roughly 4 times the example because of all the things I just mentioned. For me the extra 2 hours for E-on Next makes all the difference so I can be 100% on off peak, even in the winter. As EVM said do your own research.
Hi I hope someone can answer this for me. I'm thinking of getting an EV next year it'll probably be a used Leaf or Zoe. If I connect to an ac public charger let's say 43kw, the on-board charger of the car is 6kw. If the battery was 22- 24 kw it would take 3 hours to put 18kw into it. Will the cost be for 18kw because that's all the car can take or will I be charged for 129kw of electricity? I'm sorry it's such a dumb question, just trying to understand how it works.
You get charged for what you use, otherwise it wouldn't be very attractive. If your car could charge faster it'd cost exactly the same but you'd have the benefit of saving time
Most of them charge per kWh used. You do find a few places that charge per hour because they don't have automated billing, or they're also charging for parking. However they are usually old 6kW chargers, so you're unlikely to be overcharged. Actually, most public AC chargers are 6kW. It's always worth looking up the details on ZapMap before relying on a charger. Also, if you can charge at home, you don't really care how much a public charger costs, because it's less than a cup of coffee and you don't do it very often.
Your onboard charger you refer to is for AC charging at home mostly. Public chargers are DC and charge much faster. The Leaf and older Zoe's are Chademo, rather than CCS, but would still charge to 80% (we do not charge to full on public chargers and blocking them for others), in less than an hour. And yes, you only pay for what you actually use, not for what the charger can potentially pump out.
I really wish Octopus would do an Intelligent version of their Agile tariff, at a discount vs regular Agile. I'm already load shifting EV charging to Octopus nominated "greener days", and am open to doing more to optimise solar and battery use. However the regular Agile tariff just looks so uncompetitive next to Intelligent Octopus Go for EV charging.
I've had the EV for ten weeks and I'm just under 7.5p per kWh for EV charging. Under 10p per kWh for whole home usage which includes hot water on immersion and dishwasher overnight. The washing machine is daytime for us as it's too close to the bedroom, although in summer agile is often cheap around midday. Octopus Agile and home assistant.
@@ElectricVehicleMantrue, but there’s no premium tariff and no need to time shift the vast majority of your usage (which I’m guessing most people aren’t actually doing)
A free charger and install came with our new PHEV, Toyota C-HR. Unfortunately, neither the car nor the charger is presently compatible with Intelligent Octopus so we’ll either use Octopus Go or Agile. Don’t want to leave Octopus, been with them for several years and they’re by far the best supplier I’ve been with (tried them all in 50 years!). Waiting for my smart meter install and then charger. Not a big fan of running washing machine etc overnight, due to safety and noise, so Agile looking more likely. We can load shift during the day. You’re never too old to take advantage of new technology, we’re nearly 80! ⚡️⚡️
For those yet to have an EVSE installed, British gas smartcharge tariff if you have a hive charger fitted gives you 12 months free charging then 7.9p Kwh off peak with 4p Kwh credit if plugged in for 6hr including between 12 - 5am
With OI you get at least 6 hours. I tend to only charge when I’m getting low. Then when I charge IO gives me extra hours if required. The house also benefits from this lower rate as well.
On Octopus Intelligent Go I have got into the habit of using the dishwasher and wshing machine at 11.30pm to take advantage of the 7ppkwh instead of 24.9ppkwh it all adds up.
Great advice, I’ve just booked octopus to fit a wall charger , I’m already a customer, but this is a bit more of a reassurance for me , I’ve just ordered a vw I’d buzz cargo , my first ev
Thanks
ID Buzz, excellent!!
Octopus fitted my Zappi and I am very happy with it. All went smoothly
If its a new van they depreciate at about £1000 per month.
I have a 16 kWh domestic battery, an MG4 EV, solar panels an Ohme and a ground source heat pump. What I'd really like is an electrician who can check my entire system and make sure it is optimised without buying a load of new kit. Basically a consultant.
Sound's like a good niche but would take a skilled person knowing HP operations as well as solar and batteries and tarrifs.
Someone like heatable might be in a position to know this sort of thing. Otherwise the best HP engineers would be the best bet.
@@rbdogwood the heat pump should be giving you a scop number…
The rest… depends how you’re automating it, but they’ll be as efficient as they are
If you mean optimised for cost you can work it all out in excel.
Assuming you're with octopus you can export your usage data to excel.
The home battery and solar system should also provide data in excel to see what they are doing.
Then make sure any energy import is done at the cheapest time on your import tariff.
I think octopus now pay 15p per kWh for export so you probably want to export whenever you can and charge both home battery and EV battery during the off peak rate.
Prior to this export tariff it was usually better to charge your batteries with excess solar first, before exporting, so definitely worth looking into that.
Contact Heat Geeks. You’ll find their website. It’s what they do.
@@JohnR31415The difficulty is the HP performance is dependent on many variables including heat loss calculations, the pipe bore size, radiator dimensions etc
Good timing since I'm picking up my first EV on Tuesday, a 2021 Tesla model 3 SR Plus
for me it is a simple choice on Octopus agile just wait for the wind to blow and basically free and I can be real flexible and the gains from that are great. So far when I compare using octopus compare between the two tariffs, Agile overall this month is 30 quid cheaper
But the great news is actually enough agile type tariffs out there that for once the consumer is in charge for our personal consumption !
I've been on agile since Nov 23.
Hot water is on immersion. Very rare that l need heating in a first floor flat, but that's electric too.
Was averaging 13p per kwh.
Got my EV and Ohme in June.
According to ohme average cost of electricity for charging is just under 7.5p per kwh so I'm beating intelligent. Whole home average is under 10p per kWh.
I use agile predict to decide which days to charge. We do 50 miles a day ish during the week, with 250+ mile range in summer we can easily get through a few expensive days until we get cheap electricity again.
I think weve had 8 or so charging sessions at negative prices. I need to find a local friend with an EV as i wasn't able to use all of it!
Price per kWh will go up in winter, but most of our miles are done in summer for my partner's work, which is seasonal.
It feels good to be able to optimise load which helps the grid over a several day period rather than just in a 24 hour period.
I pay 7p per kWh on Intelligent Octopus Go and have recently benefitted from both free sessions and half price off peak for 6 hours at 3.5p.
Good video and explanation ! I am on Oct INTL and almost run my house and car cost neutral.... (having PV and Batteries) - Oct has one of the best customer services as well.
One thing I was surprised at, but is worth considering when working out your numbers; I see around 10% losses between my Zappi and my car (the Zappi sends 10kWh, but the car only increases by equivalent of 9kWh), and I think that's fairly normal. Good to see you being realistic with the kWh usage number, but this 10% loss also makes a meaningful difference for folks following along at home!
I’m on Intelligent Octopus Go. You set the percentage of charge needed to top up your battery each time you charge, so if your car is at 40% now, you need to add 60%. Octopus send a schedule of times for each charging session. If the charge you need can’t be done within the standard 6hr period, Octopus will extend the hours as needed. If you have a home battery, you need to charge it at the same time as your car otherwise the home battery will be drained to charge your car.
Great update on how to work out what's cheapest for you. I've recently fixed with Ovo and doing the maths thankfully it's the cheapest option for me. On average I use 13% of my electricity between midnight and 7am, putting that into your figures Ovo is cheapest. Plus they have anytime charge so work out when's best to charge day or night when you need your car ready!
Good update. I've been on Octopus Intelligent for a year. Good to see it's still competitive.
Thanks Andrew, It's very well expalined and I have used your referral code to switch. cheers
EVM, this is very, very interesting and helpful. Thank you!
I’ve noticed that nobody seems to talk about Utility Warehouse and the tariffs that they offer. I’m on the Economy 7 Tariff, so that’s 7 hours from 0030 to 0730 daily at a night rate of 5.057p per KWh, a day rate of 31.461p per KWh. Standing charge of 52.902p per day. It’s a 5 bed home which uses twice the national average of power just as a base usage. Then add 2x EV’s and a hot tub at night sometimes. Our energy bills are BELOW many others in similar houses without an EV. 7 hours at 5p per KWh, nobody else is beating that in the UK without solar etc.
I'm on intelligent go. Actually get more than 6hrs as sometimes it balances the grid and can charge through the day
One factor is the smart meter. Not all work as expected due to communication issues. Ours goes AWOL regularly and TOU becomes unreliable. Octopus was no longer working for us. EON allows us to use the 2 rate old economy 7 which suits us fine. Plus we have neither car on list and givenergy charger not yet on OI compatible. So choices are sometimes limited.
That extra 1-2 hours with EON makes it very worth it for our house. Four adults in the house...... Early showers and use of the breakfast microwave gives us an average use of 1.5kWh at off peak before the 7am threshold. Very crudely, these examples of saving alone is a minimum of £60pa. You briefly mentioned export. EON pays us £0.165/kWh. Octopus fan I am but no qualification on Intelligent is a frustration. I think EON might also do the referral too. Mike.
Agile for me, yes it’s 19p per kWh at the cheapest today but you can’t beat Octopus paying me to fill up, even better than solar.
Thanks again for another informative video. As an EV owner, heat pump user ( no gas on premises), 9 kw of solar and 25 kw of battery storage, i thought i was on the best rates available with Intelligent Octopus, however since reading the comments about Tomato Energy, who to be honest i'd never heard of till reading the comments here, i think i'll be swapping to them. The majority of the Trust Pilot reviews seem positive enough. Over the past 3 months, i've been quite p##### off with my standing charge being more than my electricity costs. Can i ask why you never used Tomato Energy in your calculations as they surely must be up there as one of the cheapest? Can any existing Tomato customers pass comment on how they've been?
A company at that price I’m very unsure of in terms of lasting. Plus I’d not heard of them tbh.
Sustainability has to be a factor too.
I'm not clear on why you excluded OVO? What do you mean it didn't include the house usage? I like your channel but it's a little suspicious you excluded the only other provider that offers the Octopus Intelligent style smart charging and have an Octopus affiliate link in the description and then you hand wave that exclusion away without any real explanation....
I understood that the cheap rate only feeds the car not the house.
Thanks for this... I've had mine a couple months and think my annual mileage will be
I changed from Octopus Intelligent to Octopus Agile. I am much better off but I need to do a lot of load shifting.
Depends on what daily mileage you need .. if you only drive 100 or 200 miles a week then charging on the granny lead for a few off peak hours occadionally might be all you need. £1000 to have a proper EVSE fitted is an awful lot of cheap leccy! You can buy a simple to fit ev socket for £50 altho it would be prudent to get the circuit checked out.
And if you can use solar and/or a storage battery it will be even cheaper!!
I've worked out that compared to a diesel that gets 40mpg it would take me 7000 miles to pay back the electric car charger cost, with work and personal mileage being close to 12000 a year, I don't think it's too long. But that is my scenario. Have a good day.
What is an EV socket ?? Thanks
@@Soulboy63 it's a 3 pin socket designed for the longer charging times like for an ev. Halfords sell them I got one it's Masterplug brand. Or you could spend a bit more, around £200 for a 16A commando plug type which has the option of 5 different current settings, got one of those too :)
Nice to see... Thanks... Even better, I'm with the winning team 👍
Maybe the numbers have changed but as of today, it looks to me like EON drive is cheaper than Octopus Intelligent Go? Lower overnight rate, and longer and lower day rate (at least where I live)? Maybe it’s regional? Their gas is also cheaper than Octopus too.
Either way great video - coming to it later than usual as looking to switch
I went through a similar process a while back and plumbed it all into a spreadsheet!
No doubt I'll need to do this every year to make sure I'm on the best plan.
Tomato Energy Lifestyle tariff mate. Off peak 5p for 6hrs and SC 40p ish
Thanks, just had a look. 5p per KWH, what a bargain!
I would suggest researching this company before switching. Start with companies house and ofgem.
Ah, another 2 bit energy provider waiting to go bust, to further inflate standing charge due to Ofgen not allowing them to get into the market.
Joy
Been on OI for about a year, used your referral last year.
I am on Intelligent Octopus and it is great, especially when combined with a battery. 89% of my home use was then charged at night rate!
I’m hitting 99% off peak so far this year.
It’s very hard to beat that 7p.
@@Jaw0lf yep me too!
@@JohnR31415 Some of the recent Octopus tests give me the feeling that they might be going to cut back on things like home battery charging. Fingers crossed they're not.
@@simonduffy99what tests do you mean? Been considering getting batteries partly for this purpose (maybe with solar too).
Really good and well researched presentation, thank you
Just charged mine up for free , Octopus free today 13-1400hr
In Oz we have the perfect EV deal - 8c/kWh or roughly GBP80 ( $A156 ) for a year's driving. (assuming 14,000 km in a Tesla Model 3 Highland at average 140w/km ).
There is no need for a smart meter and the deal does not affect the basic tariff with the supplier. How does it work?
The EV driver basically gives the power retailer controllable load and agrees to plug in whenever at home. The power retailer (currently only from Origin Energy) is able to arbitrage the wholesale electricity price and may even charge your car when wholesale prices have turned negative. The deal depends on being able to remotely control when a Tesla charges and on the owner being able to pass that control over to a third party (currently only available for Tesla). If an immediate charge is needed, the driver can override the energy company control, will pay full tariff and, for that charge session, will not be discounted to the EV price. I have never needed to take an immediate charge.
We only use a granny charger and have Eon.Next. It’s not worth us getting a proper charger for the saving we could get on Octopus. Charging up 70 miles ish every night is fine for our needs, don’t need to charge 200 miles in a night. The occasional public charge (probably 6 timed as year) means still saving a huge amount compared to an ICE car.
If we had more than one EV and needed more regular charging for both, a proper charger would be needed and it would be worth looking at other providers.
Do you take any precautions to keep it safe on a granny plug? Got that decision to make ourself soon as our first EV is on the way!
@@jamesdaw131 Can't speak for SuperTed, but I only use a granny lead (so far), and have taken no precautions whatsoever... in fact, in direct contravention to the manufacturer's instructions, the box on my granny lead is usually outdoors (although I do cover it with a plastic box - or my old Jag! - to prevent it getting actually rained on, and I raise it off the floor to make sure it doesn't end up sat in a puddle). Zero problems after 18 months. I wouldn't recommend you follow my path though!
@@jamesdaw131 I had a new covered outside socket put in by an electrician who does it all the time for EV’s. I’m not technical in any way but the socket is designed with a safety cut-off and is specifically used for the EV,
@@theelectricmonk3909 thanks. It’s hard to justify £1000 for an EV charger (complicated by the fact our fuse box is miles from the front of the house) when we only need a full charge every 3 weeks.
@@jamesdaw131 pretty much the same for me, I usually charge up once every 2 weeks, or a bit sooner. I also don't have timers on most of my appliances, so taking advantage of the cheap rate power isn't something I can do just yet. Maybe next year...
The average on Octopus Intelligent on these figures is 16.45p/kWh. I do a similar mileage but average 4.2 miles/kWh over a year. For the last 12 months I used 5562kWhs at a cost of £803.59, an average of 14.45p/kWh. I know it's a bit more effort and doesn't suit everyone but on Octopus Agile I'm £111 cheaper than Intelligent Octopus Go.
@@MarkSherwen do you have solar & battery?
@AndrewEbling no just the EV, central heating is a gas combi boiler.
I used 2600 at a cost of £204 on octopus intelligent. Always at cheap rate.
@keithdenton8386 I presume that's with solar and/or battery,they completely change the scenario. This video was about the cheapest tariffs without solar or battery, once they are brought into the equation there are too many variables to easily identify the best tariff.
@@MarkSherwen No I have not got solar, or battery. No point when my costs are so low. I'm at work when the electric is high, and home when it@s cheap. 7.5 pence. It's not rocket science. My car never charges at anything else as OI takes care of it.
I moved to E.on next drive from octopus Intelligent go last month. The calculations are a little different if you include a certain amount of solar export, it'll be different for everyone as you say.
Great video! Now we need sums for a car plus heat pump combo.
What about Ovo anytime. I have it and there is no peak. I get 7p permKWH 24 hours a day. I can charge both my EVs anytime I like for 7p
Explained in the video.
I have solar panels, on the FIT. I thought all energy companies paid the same rate for the power i produce feed into the grid. I've had them for 10 years. Currently I'm with BG for my electricity (no Gas) and feed in with Scottish power. Would i get more from Octopus ?? Just having an ev charger installed and want to change to an ev tariff and fix price before cap rises next month.
I have exactly the same 2 cars as you , both low miles though, used to be on Intelligent but now saving a lot on Agile , plus a lot on the House also .... seems to suit us but heat pump soon , so hopefully it will still suit..
I guess it's next to impossible to guess where Agile would fall on this chart?
It's hard enough with OI due to the variable amount of cheap rate hours you get.
Those extra hours can make a big difference in the winter with a heat pump and battery storage.
With a mix of solar, battery and the OI I can sometimes run most of the day on cheap rate electricity even on the coldest winter days.
Then add in the saving sessions and power ups(free electricity).
Pretty sure I will stick to Octopus as TBH if it wasn't for them I doubt anyone would be offering these types of tariffs and grid balancing initiatives.
Im with EDF but on the goelectric tariff, just wondering if you looked at that or just went straight to evolve, the main difference being goelectric is fixed (25.47/8.99) and evolve is variable (22.36/12.36)
You now need to include Tomato Energy for this to be a full comparison. They are charging 5p per kWh from midnight to 6 am. Have two other periods of cheap rate at 13.37p 9.30 -11.30 every morning and 10p.m. to midnight plus there standing charge is only 40.82p a day with no exit fees as using the same formula the cost is below £800 p.a.
Thoughts on EONs new drive tariff? Looks good, longer night energy and cheaper plus better export rate?
I did all the same sums and decided that Octopus Flux is best for me at least in summer when I am a net exporter. Flux gives great export rates but only a 3 hour window of cheap power and even that is not as cheap as Go. The money I make from export more than makes up for the extra cost of Flux import vs Go. This would all be different if I was a high EV user but for me the 3 hours per night is ample and I rarely make use of all of it. I might switch to Go for the winter - not decided yet.
My EV and battery is not compatible with IGo so this is not a option for me.
Everyone is different.
I'm not sure I could get my household night usage to 40%. Maybe if I had a heat pump. I don't use the washing machine at night as it's too loud but even if I did it wouldn't get us anywhere near 40%. The dishwasher goes on at night but doesn't use all that much. Most of our usage is the base load and cooking which is all the 19 hours classed as peak.
I was thinking the same. How can you use 40% at night? Storage heaters?
@@sargfowler9603 Maybe people are using washer/dryers. Obviously uses much more electricity. Personally I don't use the washer at night as the spin cycle is loud and also I would then have to hang it out in the morning before work. As I can hardly get some toast and coffee down me in time then hanging the washing out at 7am isn't happening! 😄
I'm on Agile so in the summer it's set to come on in the cheap afternoon slot and I can hang it out later.
5 hours off peak with a completely flat power usage all day is already over 20%. One washing machine/dish washer/tumble dryer (which uses 1-4kWh alone) would easily surpass 40%.
@@ElectricVehicleMan My base load overnight is just 47w (basically fridge freezer and router) so that 235Wh for the 5 hour period. The real world day base load is much higher because there is a computer on and a TV much of the time. But admittedly most of my usage is for cooking/kettle. So realistically if I don't purposely add loads at night my usage is about 4% in that 5 hour window.
@@gavjlewis Need to get a slow cooker! 5 hour meat ideally!
Doing your own research is real. If you're stuck on low granny charger speeds, the extra couple of hours of lower rate really adds up. This could be a more common use case for people who will buy older generation EVs that won't be able to use Octopus Intelligent or similar tariffs.
I'm with ovo charge anytime at 7p per kwh anytime. But doesn't include home unfortunately
I didn't realise that Octopus Go had added an hour on, so thank you once again!
Theses tariffs are based on a yearly basis. Correct me if I'm wrong but I changed from oct go to british gas because it's a Fixed tariff. Octopus go will follow the price cap next month which will go upwards.
What about Octopus Agile? I reckon it's close to octopus intelligent, for people who are at home during the day the savings could be huge, although they're less likely to use their EV much unless perhaps they work nights
Fluctuating price means it’s impossible to gauge.
@@ElectricVehicleMan True but I think the average of the lowest unit price would be 7p if not lower
Not according to OctopusEnergy. Few months cheaper doesn’t mean the whole year will be.
@@ElectricVehicleMan I think, over the course of the year it'll be around 7p per unit. I've had agile for over a year but I haven't worked it out, but as I say it's only really worth it for people who are home in the day
@@sie4431 According to the Energy-Stats uk site, the Agile averages don't get to 7p.
The only time my car charger is used during the daytime, is when one of the family come for the day and want a charge. Best Dave
Any chance of reviewing the EVNICULUS Chademo to CCS adapter? (other re-branded adapters available). It's potentially a huge game-changer for the used Nissan LEAF market, being able to use CCS charging everywhere. I suggest that many LEAF owners sell their car because of the lack of Chademo chargers, and the associated "Where's the nearest Chademo" anxiety.
It may be the difference between me selling mine and keeping it forever, as a superb run-about .... but it's an expensive bit of kit.
Firstly, you need a smart meter! I’m still waiting on eon next to get it working so can only charge at 25p!
Like your channel. But why didn't you include OVO energy in your comparison. I use it and unless I am mistaken I get good value from it.
Tomato Energy may be worth looking at.....
..... if you're feeling brave.
I've heard this as well - why would I need to be brave?
Or if you need to Ketchup to everyone else 😂
@@davidjohnbarnard they're a new company with a cheap rate and standing charge that both undercut Intelligent Go by 30%. They're either going to fly, or die under a mountain of customers which they probably can't handle.
@@71brp84 I think I'm going to try it??? - with heating oil at an all time low (3 years) + cheap electric, my bill are less than £1000 / year for an old grade G house.
Just signed up to these I can't get anywhere near their prices with any other company.
I'm not sure how but my domestic usage is 15-16 kWh.
With no home battery or solar and only doing 400-500 miles a month and ev tariff is hardly worth it for me.
Basically what I'm saying is don't assume you'll save by switching
Not forgetting Octopus Int gives you daytime charging at off peak rates (whole house) so savings can be massive. Example my last month usage 401 kWh cost £71.56 a average of 12.17p kWh unit including Standing charge..
Got my EV in June. Just got billed for 10th June to 31st August. 11.7p per kWh including standing charge. 1777.9kwh. Hot water is on immersion.
Octopus agile. I use agile predict to look at prices a few days out and hold off charging until the cheapest days.
Hot water and Ohme charger both controlled by home assistant.
I just moved from Octopus GO to EON Next drive(6.7 pence/Kwh!!!), I have solar (16 pence export per Kwh with EON!) and 9Kwh batteries plus a new heat pump. 7 hours at night means I can have warm house at 7 am for peanuts (between 3 to 4 times cheaper than gas depending on efficiency) and then let it go down gently till midnight. Also, battery is 100% charged at 7 am, this makes a huge difference to reduce using expensive daytime electricity to heat house before midnight. Also, big deal to me with everything going on worldwide and energy prices, the rate is fixed for 12 months! Finally, the tariff is compatible with all evs and chargers, I am not even sure you need to have an ev, I never provided any proof. If you have large batteries, heatpump, ev and solar it is a no brainer. I would say if you have just batteries is already a good idea, even without exporting (10 pence gain per Kwh if you charge at night and export at daytime).
Been struggling to get on Octopus Intelligent. My Skoda Enyaq is supposed to qualify but it's simply not completing the switch over so I've had to sign up for Octopus GO. So I get an hour less charging and pay 1.5p/kw more. Octopus are encouraging me to keep trying the switch, but now I'm concerned that if I manage it, will it let me down on a charge at some point, whereas the car timer never does. I understand why the IO can "grant" extra hours outside the night rate but why oh why should GO be more expensive per kw.
@@glynmoore3730 If there’s a timer on the car that’s probably why it’s falling.
You can turn octopus control off.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Hi. Thanks for replying. But when I was trying to get on IO I made sure no timers were set on tjd vehicle, plus it had latest software and location was on. The procedure appeared to be going well but always failed at the last stage. It's making of feel IO might well let me down at some stage if I can get on it at some point.
A certain RUclips channel I could mention keeps referring to an EV average of 4 miles per KWH. This undermines some of his, often very good, content. I am so glad that you give a far more realistic and accurate average of 3.5 miles per KWH. Much more in line with the real average, even for modern EV’s.
depends where you live
I think 4 m/kWh is great, actually.
It's kinda sad that you're advocating for an EV channel to down-grade average efficiency figures, don't ya' think...?
EVM's own Mii regularly does 6m/kWh.
His Tesla regularly over 4m/kWh.
My i3 has only once dropped below 4m/kWh in a -10°C winter and regularly does 4.5-5m/kWh winter-to-summer.
If the car buying public would just stop thinking they NEED a 2-tonne, aerodynamically-inefficient SUV electric car to take the kids to school in, we'd be pushing those average figures even higher...!
@@jonathantaylor1998 Not advocating a lower efficiency at all. I wish the average was far higher but in general, the 3.5 average for current EV’s used by EVM is spot on.
Could you do an update on the charging networks as I'm moving company and could be getting an electric car next April trying to see who has best coverage/ chargers available and prices/ how to access.
Cheers
I love the videos
Tesla - by a country mile.
Assuming there are open chargers along the routes you do.
You'd be lucky to find that one or even two or three networks cover all your journeys.
I've only public charged once in ten weeks, but looking at the half dozen places we go once every year or two, I can easily see us using half a dozen networks.
Even for the in-laws the optimally located chargers are on different networks on the way up and back (thankfully we normally get the train from that one).
Once all Tesla locations are open to all cars they will come close to the only network I need.
Until then I'll keep using zap map.
A lot of miles on IO and they extend your hours of cheap electricity. Also if you leave for work at 4am so will only get 4 hours to charge at cheap rate..
Octopus Agile is worth considering for anyone dull enough to track this daily and charge your EV when prices are low. Compared to Octopus Intelligent, I've saved £300 in the last 12 months and have even been paid to charge my EV on windy days!
I did Agile a few years ago, but I can't see how it's worth it now - the average low is 2-3x higher than Go and Intelligent as far as I can see. And then there's the 4-7pm peak...
With large variations of daily charge, if like me you are a low grid user (large amounts of solar available) the daily charge becomes significant. Last year with two EVs, my daily charge exceeded the energy used.
How many miles did you drive in total?
What export tariff are you on?
We drive about 17k miles per year total.
Because most of my PV is off-grid (66 out of 87 panels) I do not export to the grid. The off-grid PV is about 1 mile from home. For 9 to 10 months of the year the 21 home panels support the house. At other times energy is transferred to the home using two 30kwh battery trailers. Unfortunately I still need the grid to charge the EV's for about 6 weeks in the depths of winter. About 75% if my annu8 electricity bill is the standing charge. Last year my total electricity bill was about £200.
Surprised Ovo didn't make the list, 7p / kWh intelligent overnight charging with solar support. It's between Ovo & Octopus for my next contract, just need to dig into the detail as Ovo giving me 21p / kWh export from my solar.
I talked about Ovo at the beginning.
@@ElectricVehicleMantrue, but I think you glossed over the fact that people need to shift their usage in to the low rate window. So the dishwasher and washing machine are in whilst you’re in bed etc. How many people actually do that.
@@ObsidianWalker Almost everyone on a time of day tariff. Thats the point of one.
Even without moving big stuff, 5 hours+ at a cheaper rate for the house as well is still a clear benefit. Ovo doesn’t offer that.
I cant have IO as my car and charger arent currently compatible. So i am on Octopus tracker, and I'm saving 10% compared to Octopus Go.
Intelligent octopus adds extra half hour cheap slots to charge your car if it can't do it in the off peak time, and will sometimes give you extra ones anyway.
Nicely done.
Very similar conclusions on my own channel, I also compare the two smart tariffs Octopus Intelligent and OVO Charge Anytime.
Can't wait to get on IOG but we got the Givenergy EVSE and a car that isn't compatible. So we don't qualify. Don't suppose you have any intel about how soon it will be integrated with Intelligent Octopus Go?
Up to OctopusEnergy, Giv have no say in it.
Given the title claiming to show me the cheapest EV charging tariff, I had hoped to see how my own arrangement compared with others but you have only used suppliers who constrain their cheap EV rate to a limited number of night time hours. I use OVO who charge me 7p/kWh at any time day or night. Was there any specific reason you did not consider this, more flexible option ?
@@rhiantaylor3446 Yep. It’s pretty much the first thing I talk about on the tariff price screen.
I’ve been with Octopus for years, during which time I’ve been trying to get them to install a smart meter. What do I have to do to get them into action? I’ve been exporting solar power to the grid for most of this year, and apart from what has been used for the house I’ve had no benefit from the export. Is there any point in my even considering an electric car (which I would really like) if I don’t have a smart meter?
If you can plug the car in during the day, you can always use the solar to charge it, rather than exporting it for no benefit. If you can't plug in during the day, then maybe consider a home battery, if you can afford it, to store the solar power, then charge the car from the battery at night. I have no idea how hard it is to create such a setup, it's something I'll be looking into when I move next year, hopefully to a house with a south facing roof...
Have you taken account of the fact BG allow you to charge at 4p perkwh using smart charge in those figures?
I use Oct intel with my Tesla with a three pin plug, on the lowest charge rate 5 amps. That way I mostly get 12 hours of cheap electric for the whole house. Saves a fortune.
Haha nice hack!
How does this work please? I’m looking into getting a Tesla and was looking at the Tesla charger but it’s expensive with fitting!
Does three pin take forever to charge? And using the low amps means it’s pulling the same electricity as an appliance?
@@fasn279 Yes it takes a long time to charge, But his will depend on how much you need. I set on 100% but it nevers gets to that. But Octopus thinks I need that so it gives me the longest cheap time it possibly can. Last week I ran the car down to 30% on Tuesday, and now Friday it's at 80%. I did not use the car much in those days. I have had my Tesla for three years and never needed anything more than the three pin plug.
How come no one mentions "Agile" anymore? Being a low mileage owner and charging on an average every 7-10 days. I am charging regularly below and on average cheaper than "IO". In fact the last two months has seen me regularly topping up on plunge pricing.
As said, this is based on averages. You're a low user so it's going to different. Plus the volatile nature of Agile makes it extremely difficult to predict for 12 months.
Just last week Ohme/Octopus have introduced Dynamic charging (at least its the first time made available to me) which means I can plug in whenever and they might charge outside the 11pm-5am window at no more than the 7p rate. You might get less. I didn't quite trust it but detailed bill shows it charged from 7pm at reduced rate, and also seems to have put the whole house on that rate too.
@@jonathanwarne3480 That’s what octopus intelligent is.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Aye, but up until last week though I was signed up I couldn't use it as the Ohme didn't talk to my car. The new update with the added dynamic switch seems to have resolved it. Happy days.... knew I'd get there in the end 😃
Not quite sure what the issue is/was but that’s the whole point of intelligent go.
@@JohnR31415 Thanks John this is what Ohme sent through. These changes mean it is working for me now when it wasn't before. 🙂
We’re making some important Ohme app changes for Intelligent Octopus Go drivers from 22nd August 2024.
Here's what you need to know:
🔒 To make sure you have plenty of time to reach your charge target, you'll need to turn off your price cap.
⏱ This unlocks additional cheap charging slots outside of 23:30-05:30 which you won't want to miss.
🎯 If you don't turn your price cap off, you might not reach your desired charge target.
errr..... Tomato Energy is 5p off peak, 40p standing charge - although whether I'll change is another thing?, but 30% cheaper than IOG?? - which accorging to your number 1, it saves £300 ish?
@@EverydayLife621 what’s their daytime rate? And are they going to survive?
@@JohnR31415 2 daytime rates which are scattered throughout the day. 0600-0930 is 23.16pkwh, 0930-1130 is 13.37pkwh, 1130-2200 back to 23.16pkwh, 2200-2359 is 13.37pkwh. Cheap rate is 0001-0600 at 5kwh.
Cheers Andy
With octopus intelligent, you also get totally free hours when renewable energy is high in the summer
Same on agile. New feature for this summer, I think. Handy but does mean I have to remember to edit the prices in the spreadsheet manually as the agile prices don't reflect these free periods.
I don't have an EV, and can't charge at home...
But I'm still watching this video 😂😂
Out of interest, how much does it not cost you to not charge? I bet you get great not charging speeds as well?
😂😂
@@paulphillips3783 If he-she has an ICE car the speed is amazing but it costs 15-30p/mile
Assuming that you have an OI compliant charger (such as ohme) can you charge any EV - including ones that Octopus can''t read the SOC? I don't see how you can as surely the point of the "intelligent" tariff" is that Octopus decide which hours to charge the car to reach the required SOC at a particular time. If they can't monitor the car's SOC how can they work out how to charge it?
@@nottle38 It just charges at all hours until the car stops when it reaches whatever set. Any car works.
Octopus takes the hours the OHME decides to charge... it does not monitor the car, so compatible with any car.
The Ohme app is compatible with many cars that octopus is not, too. I've put my Kia connect credentials into the Ohme app and voila, it has SOC. It's a bit flakey though on some plug ins the Ohme app says it can't connect to the car.
Hi, Which of these tariffs allow home battery charging as well?
I don't see OVO energy in the mix, which really surprises me.
@@jossmaxwell00 I talked about this in the video as to why.
@@ElectricVehicleMan My bad, I just watch again without interuption and seen the OvO bit and why not included.
We have batteries Octopus go is simple to use
We charge the batteries during winter months as well as two EV's.
Can you charge your batteries with the night time rate as well as charge the EV? Just wondering if the ‘flow’ rate or whatever manages to get both topped up. And also if it’s allowed to charge batteries in off peak to use in on peak time?
@@Itsmebradders Yes I can charge the house batteries at the same time as the cars on the night time rate. it works well especially in the winter months.
@@n1ch0las51 sounds useful indeed! Do you configure that through an app then? Is your battery in conjunction with solar as well?(hence comments about using in winter)
@@Itsmebradders The house batteries are configured to charge via the timer option in the inverter. The cars are setup using the timers available in both cars. I found this the easier method. I have a zappie and a podpoint charger The Podpoint I have had for 14 years when I got my first Nissan leaf. I now have an MG ZS trophy and a 13 plate Nissan Leaf.
@@n1ch0las51 good to know, I’m just about to get an Enyaq and just considering all the options available. I’ll be getting a pod point home charger as well.
Thankfully I’ve recently installed a AIO 13.5 so just charge battery and car between midnight and 7am at 6.9p and bingo 99% usage is at that rate ( in the summer at least )
Same here I've been running at 99% off peak on IOG since my install in March. Will see what happens in the winter but i expect it to stay the same. .
@@Joe-lb8qn depends on your cooking. We do more oven food over winter than summer, so our usage goes up. OI extra hours make a big difference, with the battery charging whenever the car does.
Since we got our air fryer we hardly use the oven and it uses a lot less energy. There's only two of us though. Two air fryers would probably still be cheaper than the oven if you're feeding four people.
I have a Nokia e that does about 6500 miles per year and I charge about once every 7 to 10 days so I don't think I would save money due to the increased daily rate. Also, we have a prepayment smart meter and I don't think there are any tarifs for these.
@@andysmith9913 The daily rate is the same afaik.
Try researching Economy 7 or Economy 9/10 prepayment tariffs to see if they suit your pattern of usage. Use the car's internal timer to stay in the economy window, assuming you are using a granny cable.
I wish we had such a wide choice in Northern Ireland.
Surprised you didn't mention tomato energy which has the lowest off peak and standing charges as well as 2 lower rates in the daytime.
Also the other benefit of octopus intelligent is the extra slots you can get outside of the standard off peak rates
@@shitgetugly Didn’t exist when video was done.
I wish I could make use of a cheap rate to charge my EV, but Octopus have been unable to get my smart meter working for over 6 months now. Not only am I paying full price to charge the car, but solar panels and home battery are unviable. Not very happy with wanting to go green and not being able to due to something as simple as them not being able to fix my meter... I recently read that 20% of the country's smart meters do not work. This is a national scandal that nobody is taking about!
Yep. Octopus are not good at sorting issues out. Can't understand how they get such good ratings. I had similar issues with my smart meters. Both worked fine for the first month. Electric stopped working. 3 months to change meter then the gas stopped working then the electric again stopped working. another 3 months passed before they were both replaced. On the replacement day the guy had to replace the electric smart meter 3 times before he got the last one to work. They have been fine since which was 6 months ago. The only other issue is with the IHD. Worked for a month & never worked since. I use the octopus mini now which has been fine. Complain & ask for a supervisor & compensation. They are more than happy to offer compensation, although it did take a month for a supervisor to get in touch. Keep pushing their buttons. Firm, but polite.
This was obviously a calculation based on EVM circumstances. If you are a heavy user, have batteries, heat pump or even have no gas then you should research your own usage and time of use. I use roughly 4 times the example because of all the things I just mentioned. For me the extra 2 hours for E-on Next makes all the difference so I can be 100% on off peak, even in the winter. As EVM said do your own research.
i can't think of how i'd get to 40% house use off peak. i suppose the washing machine could go on timer but that's just once a week max for me.
@@leesmith9299 if you’re a low usage house then it might be difficult. But washing machine, dishwasher… immersion heater?
Trouble is they always win whatever you do !!
Hi I hope someone can answer this for me. I'm thinking of getting an EV next year it'll probably be a used Leaf or Zoe. If I connect to an ac public charger let's say 43kw, the on-board charger of the car is 6kw. If the battery was 22- 24 kw it would take 3 hours to put 18kw into it. Will the cost be for 18kw because that's all the car can take or will I be charged for 129kw of electricity? I'm sorry it's such a dumb question, just trying to understand how it works.
You get charged for what you use, otherwise it wouldn't be very attractive. If your car could charge faster it'd cost exactly the same but you'd have the benefit of saving time
Most of them charge per kWh used.
You do find a few places that charge per hour because they don't have automated billing, or they're also charging for parking. However they are usually old 6kW chargers, so you're unlikely to be overcharged. Actually, most public AC chargers are 6kW.
It's always worth looking up the details on ZapMap before relying on a charger.
Also, if you can charge at home, you don't really care how much a public charger costs, because it's less than a cup of coffee and you don't do it very often.
@sie4431 thanks so much I hoped that would be the case.
Your onboard charger you refer to is for AC charging at home mostly. Public chargers are DC and charge much faster. The Leaf and older Zoe's are Chademo, rather than CCS, but would still charge to 80% (we do not charge to full on public chargers and blocking them for others), in less than an hour. And yes, you only pay for what you actually use, not for what the charger can potentially pump out.
@@gslongdistancethanks very much for the info.
I really wish Octopus would do an Intelligent version of their Agile tariff, at a discount vs regular Agile. I'm already load shifting EV charging to Octopus nominated "greener days", and am open to doing more to optimise solar and battery use. However the regular Agile tariff just looks so uncompetitive next to Intelligent Octopus Go for EV charging.
See my comment, over the last year Agile has worked out considerably cheaper than IOG for me.
I've had the EV for ten weeks and I'm just under 7.5p per kWh for EV charging.
Under 10p per kWh for whole home usage which includes hot water on immersion and dishwasher overnight.
The washing machine is daytime for us as it's too close to the bedroom, although in summer agile is often cheap around midday.
Octopus Agile and home assistant.
A little confused by the suggestion that the OvO ev tariff would be in the bottom third.
It’s the same price as others but doesn’t give cheap electric for the house. Massive disadvantage.
@@ElectricVehicleMantrue, but there’s no premium tariff and no need to time shift the vast majority of your usage (which I’m guessing most people aren’t actually doing)
@@ObsidianWalker There isn’t a premium tariff during the day, it’s the same price as OVO.
Cheap night rate doesn’t mean more expensive day.
5:57 I'm getting exited 😆
Will the Octopus tariffs increase when the price cap increases or are they fixed like the british gas ev tariff?
Octopus intelligent is a variable rate so it will move a bit with the price cap.
what about British gas half price electricity on a sunday