I am based at Batam, flying amphib Twin Otter. I was flying this day and was listening to all this on the radio. First, all this happened during late afternoon, about 5pm local time, not at night. The weather around Batam at this time was also very challenging, with big thunderstorms all around. I made it within 13 NM from Batam, but I had to divert to a small airport east of Batam. The ground staff at Batam, reported low level warnings coming from the cockpit. Also even though, Batam has a 4000 meters, big runway, the crew had issues refueling the airplane next day as Singapore Airlines do not have any engineering staff on Batam. Finally in radio communications, it not Batam airport, it's Hang Nadim airport.
Despite pilot training that a go-around is always the safest way to discontinue an approach, obviously this is not true, it's just true at least 99.99% of the time. There are times when go-around isn't the safest thing to do. If you're on fire, or very low on fuel. Or if you did a really hard landing (Air Canada 621) or wheels up landing (PIA) and don't know what damage has been done to the aircraft. In emergency situations, it is permitted to break SOP (to the minimum extent required to make the situation tolerable) and ignore GPWS sink rate/pull up, land outside the touchdown zone, continue an approach below minimums, or even autoland in zero visibility or using an ILS not approved for autoland. For passenger survival it is better to go off the end or side of the runway having had even a few seconds of hard braking and maximum reverse thrust, than to land off-field or crash into unknown terrain or obstacles at flying speed. The pilots need to have mentally rehearsed these options and know when it is appropriate to use them.
There's a very fine line. Continuing previous attempts might have caused disasters as doubling down on unstabilised approach have caused accidents many times in the past.
Even knowing the story of this flight beforehand, I absolutely love how this is narrated, how the sim footage is done, as well as the music. Everything is incredibly tasteful and captivating, and the lessons well explained. The consideration and effort you put into scripting, capturing and editting really comes through.
@@kamakaziozzie3038he’s still in a coma 😢 pray for him! He loved aviation before the accident, so I play videos from all his favourite channels, the doctors say there’s no way, but I’m sure he can hear me /s
When doing fuel calculations one old pilot told me that no matter what the final calculation is, including all the contingency and what ifs, he always added another few thousand pounds for “mum and the kids” 😂
I obviously focus too much on air crash videos. I only realized that after how good I felt once I realized that this crew had managed to safely land the aircraft 😅 and with no crash whatsoever. And I STILL learned something!
I would have thought that a recommendation that the pilots spend more time training for and flying manual approaches rather than be too dependent on automation would be a good idea.. The FOs manual positioning for his high alt / high descent rate, unstable approach was inexcusable.
Automation has brought a "always follow the rules" mindset that kills thinking or operating outside the box, which can be a life saver when the rules, such as always go around, may kill you.
Excellent video as ever, the perfect storm of bad luck and circumstances going against them. 1 little thing I noticed and maybe it's done now but if there is storms in the area, ATC should indicate which direction they are tracking to help prevent incidents such as this where it just attacks the alternate airport too
Singapore Airlines is my most trusted and favourite airline even above previously my own country’s Qantas national airline which recently despite amazing safety records has lost my trust.
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f Management issues; things like selling tickets for flights that have already been cancelled, also they took millions is government subsidies (our tax dollars) during the pandemic to keep on staff then as soon as that ended they dismissed a heap of air and ground crews but still showed a bottom line profit. A fine weather friend to our nation. Former CEO, Alan Joyce thankfully has departed so hopefully things might improve.
Why isn't the captain flying in a dire emergency? There are times when you disregard SOP in the interest of safety. These idiots obeyed SOP and almost killed everyone. Doing a go around because of a sinkrate warning was pure stupidity.
Yes, I would rather land with a tailwind which is over limits but in smooth conditions and where the runway is visible (if runway length is comfortably longer than needed), than do it in a storm. When you're low on fuel you would even do an autoland in zero visibility, if there was a chance you wouldn't get another chance.
Very often its safer for the FO to fly and the capt to manage the situation. Depending on the FO, its likely they are capable of flying the aircraft just as good as you. Let them fly and you manage the aircraft. The FO flying gives you time to think, plan and manage.
The near misses teach us as much as the accidents.
I am based at Batam, flying amphib Twin Otter. I was flying this day and was listening to all this on the radio. First, all this happened during late afternoon, about 5pm local time, not at night. The weather around Batam at this time was also very challenging, with big thunderstorms all around. I made it within 13 NM from Batam, but I had to divert to a small airport east of Batam. The ground staff at Batam, reported low level warnings coming from the cockpit. Also even though, Batam has a 4000 meters, big runway, the crew had issues refueling the airplane next day as Singapore Airlines do not have any engineering staff on Batam. Finally in radio communications, it not Batam airport, it's Hang Nadim airport.
Despite pilot training that a go-around is always the safest way to discontinue an approach, obviously this is not true, it's just true at least 99.99% of the time. There are times when go-around isn't the safest thing to do. If you're on fire, or very low on fuel. Or if you did a really hard landing (Air Canada 621) or wheels up landing (PIA) and don't know what damage has been done to the aircraft. In emergency situations, it is permitted to break SOP (to the minimum extent required to make the situation tolerable) and ignore GPWS sink rate/pull up, land outside the touchdown zone, continue an approach below minimums, or even autoland in zero visibility or using an ILS not approved for autoland. For passenger survival it is better to go off the end or side of the runway having had even a few seconds of hard braking and maximum reverse thrust, than to land off-field or crash into unknown terrain or obstacles at flying speed. The pilots need to have mentally rehearsed these options and know when it is appropriate to use them.
There's a very fine line. Continuing previous attempts might have caused disasters as doubling down on unstabilised approach have caused accidents many times in the past.
Even knowing the story of this flight beforehand, I absolutely love how this is narrated, how the sim footage is done, as well as the music. Everything is incredibly tasteful and captivating, and the lessons well explained. The consideration and effort you put into scripting, capturing and editting really comes through.
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@@kamakaziozzie3038he’s still in a coma 😢 pray for him!
He loved aviation before the accident, so I play videos from all his favourite channels, the doctors say there’s no way, but I’m sure he can hear me /s
People need to seriously stop with this painfully over used comment.
When doing fuel calculations one old pilot told me that no matter what the final calculation is, including all the contingency and what ifs, he always added another few thousand pounds for “mum and the kids”
😂
Remember that one low-cost airline in Europe that penalized pilots for doing this?
I obviously focus too much on air crash videos. I only realized that after how good I felt once I realized that this crew had managed to safely land the aircraft 😅 and with no crash whatsoever.
And I STILL learned something!
Yep!
This channel needs way more subs.
I would have thought that a recommendation that the pilots spend more time training for and flying manual approaches rather than be too dependent on automation would be a good idea.. The FOs manual positioning for his high alt / high descent rate, unstable approach was inexcusable.
Automation has brought a "always follow the rules" mindset that kills thinking or operating outside the box, which can be a life saver when the rules, such as always go around, may kill you.
Amazing how they would rather gamble with everyone’s lives instead of just landing at Batam early on. Total incompetence.
great video sir keep up the awesome work
Excellent work!
Bet the pilots had a few drinks sfter that!
Excellent video as ever, the perfect storm of bad luck and circumstances going against them. 1 little thing I noticed and maybe it's done now but if there is storms in the area, ATC should indicate which direction they are tracking to help prevent incidents such as this where it just attacks the alternate airport too
Great educational video.
It's a little surprising just how laconic the final report is
Winds reported for RWY 20R not 30R at time 3:20 of the video
Please keep making videos
How long is rwy 22?
Sounds eerily similar to Avianca flight 008
Fantastic video but why the spoiler at the start 😭 I live for the suspense!
Singapore Airlines is my most trusted and favourite airline even above previously my own country’s Qantas national airline which recently despite amazing safety records has lost my trust.
Why
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f Management issues; things like selling tickets for flights that have already been
cancelled, also they took millions is government subsidies (our tax dollars) during the pandemic to keep on staff then as soon as that ended they dismissed a heap of air and ground crews but still showed a bottom line profit. A fine weather friend to our nation. Former CEO, Alan Joyce thankfully has departed so hopefully things might improve.
Why isn't the captain flying in a dire emergency? There are times when you disregard SOP in the interest of safety. These idiots obeyed SOP and almost killed everyone. Doing a go around because of a sinkrate warning was pure stupidity.
Yes, I would rather land with a tailwind which is over limits but in smooth conditions and where the runway is visible (if runway length is comfortably longer than needed), than do it in a storm. When you're low on fuel you would even do an autoland in zero visibility, if there was a chance you wouldn't get another chance.
Very often its safer for the FO to fly and the capt to manage the situation. Depending on the FO, its likely they are capable of flying the aircraft just as good as you. Let them fly and you manage the aircraft. The FO flying gives you time to think, plan and manage.
what happens when pilot empowerment is minimised, obeying the sops at expense of everything
A bad day at work to say the least.
This is like BA flight 38 but a good ending
Those pilots must have been scared 💩-less. And I bet some of the passengers and stewards were too. Glad everyone got onto the ground safely!
GO AROUND👨✈️Are you kidding me?
should do a pan pan pan
I find the Singapore ATC distinctive English accents the most interesting part of the entire episode 👍
Fuel gauges don't look anything close to what you are showing.
4 reds 😂
🫣
Terrible decision making👨✈️
if the aircraft costs millions and millions of dollars yet it does not have in flight refueling capability