It's so sad hearing him talk about having cool ideas but then has to run it through the old shitty writers committee to make sure they are okay with everything and reassure them that their ideas will be forced into the story as well. Brought him back to be in charge and fix everything, but he still has to walk on eggshells around everyone that ruined what he built.
Here's likely what happened: They're 10 months in, he starts back, sees it, sees it can't be changed, and then says "this is what I want to do though" and they said "nah we can't squeeze that in" and so he said "what if we do it over 3 expacs?" and they were like "oh alright"
@@boi3987 some leaks suggest he won't be dead but will be rollin around in a wooden wheelchair. Or that may have been a deliberate troll on the dataminers, dunno. Personally I'd be ok with a crippled Khadgar. They see me rollin, they hatin'.
he needs to outright retcon the damage Danuser did to Warcraft, retcon post-legion to DF and start over after the defeat of the legion. That's the only way ppl are going to come back to caring about WoW's story, cause Danuser destroyed/retconned so much and added so much fanfic garbage to the IP.
I just pretend those expacts didn't exist. I left near the end of legion and saw the sword strike Azeroth. Upon my return, as far as I'm concerned, the story will just continue where I left off. I might visit those expacks in the future for loot, but I don't take them seriously or let them ruin my day.
there's a reason he quit years ago, he doesn't have any clue how to fix the game. instead of hiring 100 good devs they hired one old retired guy to get the bald men to buy more expansions without needing to build anything new.
Dragging Chris out is just to convince older WoW fans everything will be fine and to keep consuming product but nothing will actually change. In politics its called the red meat strategy.
The worst part is he's now probably obligated to stay around for those 3 expansions despite knowing he's been leashed by the "committee" of writers and designers who've ruined the game over the years while he was gone, and he's unable to do anything about it.
Once the red hyrda has a foothold there is no getting rid of it unless you have the fighting spirit of a failed painter from Austria. Even then they won't let you do it and drag your name through the mud. Welcome to hell
Worst mage of all time has got to be Aethas Sunreaver. Leader of the horde elves of dalaran, folds to garrosh’s demands, let’s innocent people get brutally massacred in what’s supposed to be a neutral city and now we see him in Orgrimmar at the trading post sending jaina gifts and apology letters 😂 just sad
bruh this is a pretty bad synopsis this is like saying hitler was a misunderstood painter who was wronged then decided to make a war to create a world thats better. Aethas fought fucking malygos dude, shielded the entire of northrend dalaran against him and the lich king. hes a protector. in one short story lorthemar said he admired that aethas always wanted peace, but he was young and naive especially politically which foreshadows how he is. however, he frequently mogged lorthemar and called him out on his dumb shit. coz of him (ironically yes) horde magisters and horde were allowed back into dalaran. he still motioned to send forces against garrosh, just so happened that force was traitor. dalaran was supposed to be neutral. if anything, lorthemar was partially responsbile for letting people get massacred in the neutral city as HE was the one caving to demands. aethas actually advocated for the sindorei to break ties to the horde entirely. it was when horde members used an insider to steal shit, aethas was threatened to back down. jaina has a psychotic break and decides to massacre horde members en masse (as you do). like idk bruh he got dealt a pretty bad hand, and you sayin hes the worst mage has gotta be cap, coz ingame it is stated he is at the SAME POWER LEVEL AS KHADGAR AND JAINA
@@ljp400 "bruh this is a pretty bad synopsis this is like saying hitler was a misunderstood painter who was wronged then decided to make a war to create a world thats better." And you fail.
Not only is Aethas a massive alliance and dalaran simp. He is also a traitor to bloodelfs and the horde. In mage questlines. He steals from the blood elf treasury the artifacts of Kael'thas and gifts them to the Dalaran. Man. He doesnt even have rights in Silvermoon. The highest ranking mage is Rommath and he is the successor to Kael'thas. Where the f is he in the story?!
Wow! It is sad to see how many people are burnt out and sour in every comment section. Blizzard really fucked us and themselves in Shadowlands huh? Feelsbadman
Tbf the fkn games been out for 2 decades...it just needs to die already. It's been milked to the high heavens. There needs to be a new ip because Diablo & Wow ain't it anymore.
it wasn't just shadowlands, it's the direction of the game since then. The people that made vanilla, tbc and wrath are not working there anymore, or if they are it's very few. The direction of the game is something I'd see out of a My little pony episode and they've put more focused on how people see blizzard, instead of what blizzard produces. It isn't the same company it once was. Most of the people see that and have moved on.
No. Blizzard killed their game when they deleted all content with cataclysm and mist of pandaria. Only tryhard shills followed the game till then because real OG players left after the 20 downgrades of systems. Now they get no new cannon fodder player to sustain so they backtrack. Like the community did not told them for 12 years. Dead corpse that only gets revived at wow2
They need to recreate quest lines like the original defias. A quest over multiple zones that you stumble upon and your understanding of the threat grows over time
Thats fine but I'd argue it's less about the multi zone storyline and more about the lore being grounded. Simple conflict, families with reasonable motivation. Not this interdimensional meta level stuff.
@@xXdnerstxleXx I agree. The same thing happened with Marvel. Save the world, then the galaxy, then the multiverse, and then? People stopped caring after Thanos I think.
@@mufasafalldown8401 yup, infinity war was like the cumilation of everything they built up. Then they made endgame, some time travel shenanigans and it was downhill from there. I'd argue wow had it's story climax already. It was with Legion. They could have made the game go on indefinetly if it weren't for the limitations though ever escalating stakes lore wise. The Defias brotherhood is a perfect exqmple for such a grounded storyline. I also knew Shadowlands lore had to be bad before it came out, it's cause the only reason why you'd ever expand on the afterlive, is to bring fan favorite characters based on nostalgia back. Just 1 giant fan fiction. It was doomed from the start as it's most likely pushed down from marketing.
The Defias line was very cool because it was reasonable and understandably motivated. Van Cleef's reason for doing what he did made sense, and there was even a hook to a much larger scale story when you found out just who it was they kidnapped. That was cool. Legend of Stalvan was cool. There were lots of great low level storylines that were local in nature and had nothing to do with a world ending threat. Feels like it's been a long long time since they wrote anything like that.
It annoys me to hear him say "What do the team/artists want to build". Fuck them, we want the games Metzen used to make, you tell them what to build. what they have been building for the last 10 years has just been awful and gets worse with each expansion.
It's a creative industry, if people don't care about what they're making they won't donit well. The actual solution is getting a new team that is on board with the vision
I believe we are going to be getting Chris Metzen in the story but he's talking about the little nuances and little side story themes will be reflections of what the artists want to make. That's a good thing. You never want artists making things they don't want to make.
@@sabershark3102 Kind of, right? I do think that people there need to remember they're at work, following instructions. I think letting them do what they want is a major mistake. They can express themselves in their own time. On company time, you get paid to do what the boss tells you. But I think this company, whoever they are now - not Blizzard that's for sure - is too far gone.
Who cares about story in WoW? Dragonflight was an excellent expansion from the standpoint of someone who actually plays the game instead of watching lore videos on RUclips.
"Y'all a bunch of shit eaters trying to tell people it's chocolate." -Asmongold Not a single gaming community has coped harder than Blizzard fans have in all of gaming history.
@@ZarathosDaimaoh Overwatch was really good but oddly enough the red flags were there since day 1, idk if we were oblivious or things changed gradually to the supposed final form that is nowdays OW2.
Nah Overwatch 1 was fine for a while , except for z few matchmaking issues they never nailed . Balance and content release pacing were always gonna be a source of issues and discussion , like in all Mp games . The moment it all went to crap , is when they knew they wanted to push for OW2 instead
I'm a shit eater. I have money, I wanted to play now and not 3-4 days later. It's indefensible and stupid but I did it anyway. People should just be honest about this.
I think its fine for side quests stories, I say thats the area's where the writers can go crazy and do whatever they want, but the main story / campaign leave it to chris.
Feeling that the main reason they hired Chris back on was mostly for the positive PR when the game was crashing to reel some of the population back in. Sounds like they already had things planned and didn't give him a lot of wiggle room to put many of his ideas in. He explaine it well, but just doesn't seem completely confident on this. Hopefully I'm wrong and this turns out great.
War Within already has some dragonflight vibes with Dagran, Moira and Magni. Bitch King Anduin still suffers from chronic Light withdrawal and Alleria will be the next Tyrande. These guys have a huge cast of characters to make a good story but it just ends up being a family drama show.
is Alleria racist and no-nonsense? because if she ain't, she ain't no Tyrande. if she does not refer to some non-elf as an "outlander" at least once, she ain't no Tyrande. if she does not call a non-elf an impure mongrel to his/her face at least once, she ain't no Tyrande. if she is not fanatically religious in her devotion to whatever pos deity the high/blood elves worship, then she. ain't. no. Tyrande.
Illidan was a simp on W3 but he was at his best on Legion. He never even saw Tyrande or spoke to her, he just got to work and his dialogue was peak. His only final words for Tyrande when he stayed back at the seat of the pantheon were basically ''Tyrande, take care of my brother, I have things to do'' Illidan is one of the only characters that has improved over the years since his OG days.
He wasn't really a simp. He was well written but it seems that you have difficulties understanding how he could feel after 10000 years of imprisonment, being freed by one he fell in love with (she had to massacre/betray Wardens, who were her people too). Then he wasn't all about Tyrande, he was all about power/destroying Legion/Lich King. And in War3 he also left Tyrande in his brother's care.
Illidian in Legion was just Kerrigan 2 : Electric Bogaloo. Absolutely cringe retcon. Illidan pre-retcon, even with his "tuhrrrawnduh" fixation, was still a far more interesting character than the self righteous purple demonic saviour they turned him into over the course of just one expansion's plot development (even if the "I am my scars" line, by itself, was badass).
@@lionart5230 He was imprisoned because he tried to use a power to fight the Legion and his brother didn't like it then the woman she loved cucked him with that same brother while Illidan endured a 10.000 years torment for her. He was a massive simp, sure it can be well written and reminiscent of a greek tragedy but it doesn't make him any less of a simp. But to each his own 🤷♂
@@tiffles3890 He's still the same character, a person willing to do whatever he needs to do to achieve his goal no matter who is against him or who tells him he's wrong. His convictions and will are rock solid same as his reluctance to leave destiny in the hands of some higher power or anyone other than himself. Please explain to me how is he so different from W3 or how he was ''retconed'' other than not being hyper fixated in simping over Tyrande.
He does not. He does not care and it does not matter. It's just to make people buy the new expansion early. Just like D4 cinematics or ow2 season reviews
Huh, didn’t you hear microsoft fired 1900 blizzard employees after the acquisition? Part of that was wow team, a chunk of the narrative team including.
@@HasPotato Let's not pretend like most people who play wow care that much about the story. Gameplay was shit too for the past several expansions and it won't change.
Saved? The expansion hasn't even been out for a day. Actually it's not even fully out yet. Nothing has been saved, they're still trying to squeeze blood from a stone. Milk every last cent no matter what. Some new small talent trees full of random procs and a slightly better narrative aren't saving anything so long as the decision making process and mentality behind game design don't drastically change.
@@Spiresbeyond For starters the entire way the game is monetized is fucked. First you have to buy the game/expansion and then pay a monthly sub. On top of that there is an in game cash shop and a real money currency with the token. Which they then added into the Classic version. In addition to that Character Services also cost money and are overpriced. If your server dies, which is entirely outside of player control and thus falls on Blizzard's shoulders, you have to pay Blizz a not small amount of money per character to transfer. This fact is made worse by Blizzard not merging realms as often as needed. On top of all that after they pissed away every last bit of good will and fan loyalty and knew they had to deliver something big to make up for it and they come up with the asinine Early Access bullshit. I think that speaks volumes about their perspective of the game and how they view their players/customers. Furthermore raid and dungeon design need fundamental updates. Why is such a large amount of time spent walking in instances when the reason everyone does them is for the encounters? Why are 3rd party addons like DBM/Weak Auras essentially mandatory? Why are so many fights designed around mechanics that wipe the entire group if a single person makes a single mistake? I also feel class design is too shallow. So many talents are so basic/simple they could be baked into the spec and replaced with things that add depth/complexity/skill expression. Like 5/10% to whatever, increased random chance of thing, etc. Those are not interesting or engaging. The heroic talents are a good example of this. Thematically some of them are cool but almost all of them have zero depth to them due to being random procs with zero/very little player control. It's just more azerite traits. The regular talents are also set up in a way that give an illusion of choice in most cases. The only real choice in nearly every tree is "single target or aoe"? Finally as a broader example there are many instances where it feels like the mentality behind game design is focused on limiting players in some capacity or simply wasting their time. They've made some strides here with the account wide changes but it still feels in many instances they want to limit/control how players can interact with the game to a much too high degree. These are just off the top of my head and I hadn't even thought about PVP but there's serious issues there too. Oh and I just remembered how badly QA and Customer Support have been absolutely gutted over the years. I am sure I could write a full length essay on everything wrong with the game and how a great deal of it came about as result of ignoring player feedback. I am also sure if I spent 2-3 hours thinking about it I could at least come up with a few viable solutions/suggestions but I just don't feel like putting that time and effort into WoW especially when the devs won't even attempt addressing most of this. Even this comment feels like too much effort from me but I suppose this EA bullshit re-ignited my anger at Blizz. This shit is not isolated to WoW either. I'd rather just play games that don't try to milk me for every cent and are more concerned about good game play as opposed to pleasing shareholders to the extreme. Like compare From Software games, or Rockstar, or any first party Nintendo or Sony titles to Blizzard's games. It fucking laughable how massive the difference in quality is in games like WoW and Overwatch compared to games like RDR2, Elden Ring, Legend of Zelda or God of War. That's the standard Blizz used to be at, and not just for WoW.
@@Spiresbeyond writers need to be striped any dev with a twitter account just off them bring the game back to the feeling of og wow remove micros completely along with esports and seasonal content
@@UltimateBerserker ok one small point; if you have to transfer because dead server normally they'll give you that one for free in that specific circumstance. source: i've done it twice
Hopefully they won’t need to resolve things. Or at least it won’t matter if they don’t. I’m glad people are talking about WoW 2 more. WoW has become a cesspit of random 15 year old content next to more modern and flashy looking content. A reset is way overdue, I really hope blizzard has at least started planning for that.
@@mufasafalldown8401 yep,i love it,being able to drop out and come back and being able to catch up fast feels awsome,imagine playing classic where if you left in t1 and come back in t3.,...adios
Metzen did Cataclysm, Mists of Pandaria and Warlords of Draenor. I don't understand why people think him suddenly returning will bring the game back to what it felt like almost 20 years ago.
Hot take. Wow was never that good. It was only good back then because people didn't know better and view it from the lens of nostalgia. Majority of people like this are in their mid 30s now with shit job and no friends reminiscing about times they were teens playing games without care in the world.
Cataclysm had an amazing story and tons of brand new content. Badass villains, dragons, destruction of the world and new quest lines, new race, two raids on launch... Hard to beat this expansion, maybe legion had a comparable amount of content on launch, as eacu class had its own thing. Other than that nothing really comes close.
Faerin Lothar is the worst DEI insert ever seen in the game. Well, she actually comes in 2nd after the Dragthyr, a race literally based on the non-binary and trans identities…
terrible gameplay and even worse story is way more of a problem than any feminine influence. asmon has got y'all completely obsessed with these weirdo concerns getting mad at games journalists and twitter freaks instead of bad game dev
Warcraft isn't about big bad orcs beating the shit out of humans with massive axes anymore. It's embarrassing to see Metzen of all people on board with current Warcraft
@@kingkarlito I agree 100% but there is definately a crossover between feminine influence and bad story, alot of dragonflight would have been great if they didnt treat it like a disney movie. If you take an IP thats had a darker and more serious tone and turn everything into a gimmick it objectively ruins the story by losing its identity.
Honestly, WoW was never the same after Wrath of the Lich King. They started dumbing down the gameplay, and server communities basically died with the introduction of cross-realm features. Remember when getting epic gear actually meant something? Post-WotLK, they just handed that stuff out like candy. And don’t even get me started on the lore. Arthas was an epic villain, but after him, the story just got messy with all the retcons and weaker villains. Plus, the game became way too focused on microtransactions and casual content. Wrath was the last time WoW felt like a real adventure. Everything after just didn’t hit the same.
There’s way to many progression systems. Raids feel meaningless and unfulfilling bc u can just farm the gear through mythic+… Classes feel bloated and daunting to start Wow core gameplay sucks and they are doing nothing to fix it this expansion. Feels like an ARPG game not a MMORPG
How can you even say gameplay is dumbed. It is like 86345x difficult than pre cata version of the game. I played the classic. People were talking to each other in first 2 weeks then it all stopped. Like all the things to make people talk with each other was there, it was the exact replika of vanilla wow but yeah nobody talked with each other. It is not 2004 anymore it is 2024 deal with it. Getting epic gear meaning something is a stupid point. It was colors back then, it is numbers right now. Ilvl replaced colors but they are literally the same. Go ahead and pretend numbers are colors then you will be happy. Storywise yes Arthas was cool but pre cata all story occurred randomly. They didn't have any continuation. Like why did c'thun attacked after we defeat ragnaros? Dude attack a few weeks early while azerothians dealing with ragnaros half a world away and you will ass fuck whole kalimdor. Why did lich king decided to wake up after we are done at outland? Just wake up a few months early and conquer all azeroth anyone who is competent is on another planet 😂 post-cata though story was continuous end of an expac caused the start of the next expac. Without one, other could not happen. It is not the game, it is you. You are burned out from the game which is ok you cant play same shit 20 years straight. It is ok to take a break or quit. I played dota 2 for more than 7000+ hours then i was done with it at some point and quit. It was not because of game design i just got overwhelmed from playing too much. But i dont cry over it
At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil.
Some of these complaints we're made during WotLK too. Specifically about dumbed down content and free epix. However, you are completely correct about server community. Between that and LFG, the heart and soul of WoW as an emergent social experience died real fast once those features were launched.
wow is beyond saving because blizzard is beyond saving. this game and the company that makes it are cooked. i hope microsoft just shutters blizzard, fires everyone and puts the ip's in the hands of a developer thats worth more than a fart in the wind.
Just because some people memed on Taurens doesn't make Taurens the same as Vulpera. Taurens literally became part of the Horde in WC3. They were always going to be a playable race.
not to mention that taurens are cool and vulperas are not. tauren ooze primal wild brutality soothed by the gentle giant concept, whereas vulpera instills cringe in my very core from the ground up (and it doesn't go very far up because its just a gnome in a furry suit). "heu heu milk jokes" are the worst you'll hear about taurens, whereas when you think of vulpera, likely one of the first images that spring into your imagination is some cringe deviant art sexualized furry character with a gay twist or some other degenerate undertone.
3:33 @Asmongoldtv that line was a reference and inside joke for something Scott has jokingly said about Khadgar for years on his podcast. He’s not being serious. He has called Khadgar the “shit wizard.” In context, it was funny.
At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil. And please no w ö k e writers
bro, Metzen said they have plans/are working on plans for up till patch 17.0, if you think they'll ever make WoW 2 just so that they lose people, lol :)))) they won't make WoW 2 when they have 7+ million people playing now, either Retail / Classic / Cata... they just won't, why spend hundreds of millions of USD, maybe even 500 million cuz you can't just launch WoW 2 with like 4 zones... you think Microsoft gonna spend half a billion for MAYBE a chance on something, when they can continue WoW in its current form while making billions yearly? lol
i guarantee you Chris Metzen had no say in Tirions death ,his main was a paladin back in the days and something tells me he has no say in the war within and he is just a PR stunt .
Is it me or is Chris just rambling in gibberish about nothing? Creating a sense of maximum agency and boosting sense of ownership and macro story lines this and that, much more democratized balance of WoW teams... wtf is going on?? I really don't get why folks are simping for this dude, literally ZERO reason to expect a change.
People were expecting for this to be him saying how he's going to save wow when that's not what this is at all. It's a video meant to be a insight into how development works, it's not a promise how hes going to fix wow. If he just went in there like you guys suck and your all going to do what I say, none of the people would want to work for him.
theyre simping because he's an OG balding white dude with a rough exterior.. which is most of what the playerbase is tbh. he's absolutely a PR hire and a front for the whole "we're going back to our roots and listening to the players" shpeel
@@MokuTom basically Joe Staten for halo infinite. One of the OG's that was apart of the glory days brought back for one last hurrah that will inevitably fail and they will leave again. Warcraft & Halo peaked and ended their stories well over 10 years ago now. Time to let them rest and move on. You fundamentally CANT force something to stay good or keep going when it was never intended to be that. Look at Star Wars or current Marvel. Things end, our capitalist consumer society just cant fathom it sadly.
An Arc that spans multiple expansions. Story wise I believe Metzon will do his best to tie all the plot threads together the problem is will the higher ups let him do it.
It all boils down to how well TWW will do. Personally I 've already seen some 80s running around (crazy bastards, they had premapped everything in beta) and in general the new areas are filled to the brim with people. So, sales-wise it must have done at least decently. At lvl 74 I 've already witnessed a complete sub-story start to finish, it was poignant, it was melancholic and you had the feeling your actions mattered. We 'll see down the road how it goes. My extremely first impressions are very cautiously on the optimistic side of things, *so far* .
Imagine making a expansion and not thinking of the future of whats next. How incompetent do you have to be? Glad he corrected them in pre production. I dont play WoW but it baffles me how some devs are just so stupid now a days for their playerbase and audience.
well thats the prblem ppl listend to much to this dei jokes, that are just self inserting them everywhere they can and not producing a good story not even when it was pretty good and knw before those clown touched it and ruined it
95% of this expansion was already set in stone when he came back, he even said so. No matter what he may do with it in the future, this expansion will be the same old thing from the people that brought you the soggy toast dipped in milk that was Dragonflight.
Outside of the lackluster story, dragonflight was An awesome feature dense expansion, with nearly no narrowed power or overt tedious grinds. By season 3 there was like 15 methods of getting decent gear.
I just want someone to ask the OG developers who thought it was a good idea to put in “Body Type 1 and 2” instead of Male and Female? Is that the consequence of letting the “creative democracy” lead instead of one OG visionary lead?
Unfortunately I feel like statistically the only people playing WoW are people who have never touched it before or ones who have spent years on it and are afraid to leave. Many people I know fall into the latter. If you aren't enjoying a game it isn't worth playing.
These kinda games are huge for sunk cost fallacy. Took me a long time to quit runescape when lost enjoyment in it. So many can't quit cos they know nothing else and don't want to see that time go down the drain
Brother, ur saying this as if nobody enjoys the game n that were all just playing cos were stupid or some shit. Ppl enjoy the game, if they didnt it wouldnt still be alive. Shutup :D.
Anduin feels like my younger brother I watched that kid grow into such a grown man and rise and fall and rise again. Learn so many lessons and suffer through so much I hope they continue with his character development. The Saurfang Saga was such a peak for me. I still go back to this day and watch the Mak gorah cinematic and I just have to log into wow and experience the game again to satisfy me.
The 'Khadgar - worst wizard of all time' is a sarcastic nod to how humble and often un-serious he is. Am I the only one who caught it because it kind of rocketed above Asmon's head I think.
i mean, it all depends on the name, doesnt it? If its a nice name that makes sense in the regular world, then i say go for it. Big difference between naming your daughter Jaina, or naming your son Saurfang.
The end of the Saga definitely is setting up for a fresh start. 1. The fact the next 2 expansion are being designed now instead of next 1. 2. The minimal system changes/addition of TWW. 3. Wrapping up the story of Azeroth, the main character of WoW. 4. Revamping zones for TWW. Setting up for a larger rework
@@scottsetzke7967 Yeah BfA was bad too, but the reason I didn't mention it was cause nothing happen lore/story wise that was devastating to the overall world story. It was bad but the damage was mostly self contained. Shadowlands ruins the entirety or the story right from the cinematic!
@@DanielAnderssson God you are so so wrong LMAO Warcraft fans do. MMORPGs as a genre kinda suck! WoW is WoW because of it's story. bad gameplay can also be fixed.. but ruined story destroys the interest in the world! World if the essence of the MMORPGs. YOU might not care about it, but your not the type of player they care about losing either
Fully agree. At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil.
The only way to reset the game is for us to realise that the whole experience up until now was actually us still being stuck in Frostmourne. We then manage to escape but The Lich King kills us this time. He revives us as DKs but at some point in the game we are given the choice to either stay with The Scourge or go back to Alliance or Horde. Then, we realise that the Scourge is the 3rd faction.
i remember when tauren were announced and gnomes were still up in the air (at least from what we knew) there was a webcomic about it with some gnome trying to appeal to the council of ingame races and they were talkin about how important the tone and seriousness of things were. and the gnome points at the tauren like wtf. it really was a meme at the time
ive played the quest line of new expansion and i can tell Chris fucking lied about everything. Its gayest expansion ever, its not coming back to ORCS vs Humans slaying each other, its fucking spiders and disney shit
This interview doesn’t address any of the major complaints people have had for the last few expansions. He talks about improving the narrative but doesn’t mention any fundamental changes to the gameplay. The only good change they made was making things cross server/faction, but that doesn’t matter if the content itself isn’t enjoyable. This trilogy is just an attempt to get people invested by using FOMO, and when the first part disappoints they’ll just say, “Things are REALLY going to pickup in the 2nd part. The 1st part was just for setting up how great part 2 will be. We promise we’re listening to all of your feedback!” They’re doing the same thing they’ve done for years, they just have Metzen back to parrot it.
the trilogy is just a bad idea honestly. i get the fomo stuff, but it dont work like that. if you came back to give wow another try and part one doesn't do it for you, you wont bother with part 2-3. if u miss part 1, or are new to the game you sure as hell wont join the game in part 2 or 3. You can just look at the numbers for any games that are trilogys and the player count drop off after part 1 is always around 20% and it just goes up and up. Even good games like FF7 rebirth had a huge number drop off from part 1. WoW will be just the same, and it will really hurt the game come part 3.
It goes back to the point of sincerity in media. So many 'modern' works play it safe, they go through the motions of checking boxes they think need to be checked, and wonder why no one resonates with the result. Because there isn't an authentic basis within it TO resonate with. As a lifelong artist, I can say: you really do pour your soul into things you create from the heart. And putting a part of yourself out there, not getting a positive reception can be wounding. But that's a matter of misplaced expectations - just like not everyone's gonna like you, not everyone's gonna like your authentic works either. And there's a lot of posers in 'creative' spaces lately that fail to respect that, and aren't ready for it, so they just make topical crap they're not actually invested in so they don't get hurt. Big surprise, no one else will be invested in such works either.
Look, I was there for the opening of AQ, I cleared BT and got full teir sets up to 5 as an Enhancer. I played wow from vanilla, never going to say classic, to cataclysm. I loved wow. I still love wow. I pop back every now and then. Im old now, I have little time for an mmorpg these days. I know it is not designed as such and probably never going to happen but I would love to see a 1 player version of the game going through the major story arcs and removing the filler. No shade for wow. As I said, I love it and it was a big part of my childhood and teenage years.
Initially I was like okay Metzen sell me on this. You're back, you're gonna un-pussify WoW, you're gonna come in and tell a story people can give a shit about without Alexstrasza talking about her feelings or whatever the fuck. Then he started talking about the "democratization" of the writers room, and I immediately lost 90% of my interest, because I can just envision what the internals of that company look like. They're building more of the same garbage pussy shit that they made with Shadowlands and Dragonflight, and while I'm sure Metzen was able to inject some input and maybe even steer the overall direction of the ship... I'm equally as sure that the smaller scale decisions and the low level designs (things like quest writing and side characters) are still firmly in the hands of the people who have been running the story for the past three expansions. The trash. At this point, I'm no longer on the fence. If Metzen had said the right things here, I would've bought War Within sight unseen. But as is? I'm gonna wait for a few weeks and try to get a feel for what the direction of the story is through places like this channel. If the verdict is that it's still the same woke touchy feely shit, then my sub will remain inactive. I'd love to come back and play WoW again but on principle I don't want to give money to another effeminate trashfire.
I can imagine the "democratization" looks something like 9 liberal white women, 2 trans dudes, and Chris Metzen in one room. He gets outvoted on every single thing and has no power.
I doubt. WoW looks bad and is getting worse. Things are so bad that I actually miss BFA. I actually played a horde ALT in BFA, just to look at the other point of view of the war. It's so over bro...
It's been mention before, but. As someone who cares a lot about the story, the roleplay. The amount of damage done to the world in BFA, Shadowlands and to a far lesser extent Dragonflight, is simply irreparable. The game needed a reset, a massive 50y gap for the world to kind of deal with what's happened, restore Lorderon, Gilneas as permanent alliance/forsaken cities. So much of the old world just sits completely destroyed as we move onto the new shiny thing. They needed to take a step back before jumping into the new thing, at least for me to be interested in the game again.
Im the same as you but to me BfA, Shadowlands and Dragonflight never existed and the story of WoW ended with the Wrath of the Lich King everything after that is just pure fanfic full of non sense and just insulting the fans
@@khebre6032 IMHO that's just kind of a bad take... We needed to deal with Deathwing and the legion. Arthas and Illidan were just their goons. And the old gods stuff in Pandaria is absolutely ace.
So I'm lvl 80 and have done almost all of the main story quests and without spoilers I'll say this: It's still the Girlboss show. 100%. The amount of male cuckery in this expansion puts Dragonflight to shame. Men are either killed off left and right, or made into villains so a girlboss can come forward. I'm sure Chris' involvement is more 30,000 feet umbrella with Alleria and gang, but the moment to moment questing is extremely cringe.
The problem with killing off too many OG characters is that very few of the new characters are compelling enough to build future stories around. Sure, it raises the stakes when villains can kill heroes like Khadgar, but kill too many and who are you left with? Dagren Thaurissan? Shadris Feathremoon? Calia Menethil? Tess Greymane? Durak, son of Thrall? Princess Talanji?
One thing that still doesn’t make sense to me is how Khadgar went from a 70 year old man in TBC to a 50 year old in WoD. I understand the dude had some aging spell on him but was it ever explained why he looks so much younger? Was it a retcon or is it explained?
More that he can’t change much at this stage for War Within. By the time he got involved, most of the story had probably already been written with cinematics and quest design well underway. There’s only so much someone can do at that stage without completely de-railing the development process which can be death in a live service like WoW that demands a steady supply of content.
As a dude that hasn't played retail since WoD, but is 100% nostalgicly tied to the lore of Azeroth... maaan... I've done deeep dives into Nobbels lore vids, PlatinumWows.. these stories, are, amazing. I am ecstatic to have Metzen back in the Role he never should have left. Warcraft is and always Will Be, His story. If Blizzard really wants to save this world... let him Cook!
I actually bought the war within and took a subscription. first time in like 8 years because i want to support WoW. its mostly for nostalgia reasons. i am also playing the alt class i used to play druid. i am just going to find a casual guild. because i used to be super hardcore world top 10 that's something of the past for me
Man this is peak Cope. Peaking so bad , like right before a death. Metzen bro you should of stayed in retirement, now youre over here bending over backwards for the company that destroyed your Legacy. Imagine dude, having to go back to your job because your company decided to burn your work and they called you back to do it again. Like have some self respect dude... Now... its on YOU if this expansion is ASS as well. The copium is really bad now and im here to laugh at everyone who has their heart broken once again by another turd expansion. This game should of just fizzled out.
1000%. He might make it somewhat better but there's too many things wrong with current WoW that are woven deep into the core of the game, you need to rip them all out but no one will be willing to do that. The only way is a WoW 2, not sure if that will happen or not (and even if it does, will they have the right people on it)
What are u talking about? He destroyed his own legacy many years ago, he just talking head for wow fanatics, just part of the promotion. He doesn't care at all only money. You guys so coping if thinks that this people still have passion for wow
Chris Metzen's art in the warcraft 2 book that came with the game was my favorite thing ever as a kid. Unbelievably powerful, badass and expressive art.
Sure helps to listen to your coworkers but you're creative director for a reason. Make sure you do whats best for the game and not please the people that work under you.
I feel like by the end of the Worldsoul Saga they might kill off Thrall... You could do so much with that emotionally, like having him sacrifice himself to save Anduin maybe... Then having like, a funeral for Thrall at the end where it's both factions coming together and mourning him... Like, it makes me wanna cry just imagining what those cutscenes would look like, unironically... (Plus Thrall could still always show up again as a ghost maybe or in flashbacks, it's World of Warcraft...)
I got into classic when it was initially released and played through naxx and loved it , played some of tbc and wrath . Does it make sense to try retail at this point ? I tried shadowlands and got overwhelmed , couldn’t pvp did raid a little but got bored with all the damn stuff you have to do to keep up. Should I give it another shot?
It's so sad hearing him talk about having cool ideas but then has to run it through the old shitty writers committee to make sure they are okay with everything and reassure them that their ideas will be forced into the story as well. Brought him back to be in charge and fix everything, but he still has to walk on eggshells around everyone that ruined what he built.
Yeah this above everything has me very concerned.
I'm 15 minutes in and I haven't heard him give a single "cool idea" yet. It's all corpospeak gibberish.
@@DrFrankenschtein Why the hate? Obviously he's not going to spoil the story...?
Fire them if they gets in his way
Here's likely what happened: They're 10 months in, he starts back, sees it, sees it can't be changed, and then says "this is what I want to do though" and they said "nah we can't squeeze that in" and so he said "what if we do it over 3 expacs?" and they were like "oh alright"
Biggest point on Khadgar. He's a normal dude. Just worked super hard. No special lineage or back story. Just some kid they threw at medhiv feet.
Dude made a joke on the old "shit wizard" meme back in Legion I think when he was just waving Atiesh around during combat in Azsuna.
Then he died to give way to the girlboss character
And the story is bad, and?
@@boi3987 Sadly true.
@@boi3987 some leaks suggest he won't be dead but will be rollin around in a wooden wheelchair. Or that may have been a deliberate troll on the dataminers, dunno. Personally I'd be ok with a crippled Khadgar. They see me rollin, they hatin'.
I have never cared so little about a wow expansion. Shadowlands killed me.
I will revive you
@@Infidel. why would you cause him more suffering
You're being overdramatic
same
It’s okay to move on and it’s also okay to shut the fuck up about it.
he needs to outright retcon the damage Danuser did to Warcraft, retcon post-legion to DF and start over after the defeat of the legion. That's the only way ppl are going to come back to caring about WoW's story, cause Danuser destroyed/retconned so much and added so much fanfic garbage to the IP.
I just pretend those expacts didn't exist. I left near the end of legion and saw the sword strike Azeroth. Upon my return, as far as I'm concerned, the story will just continue where I left off. I might visit those expacks in the future for loot, but I don't take them seriously or let them ruin my day.
there's a reason he quit years ago, he doesn't have any clue how to fix the game. instead of hiring 100 good devs they hired one old retired guy to get the bald men to buy more expansions without needing to build anything new.
Somehow Sarah Karragin got a redemption arc but not Arthas.
lol "defeat" of the legion
@@chimerakaitthe loot isn’t even good transmogs have been non existent for years. Everyone still wears like 5+ yr old stuff
Dragging Chris out is just to convince older WoW fans everything will be fine and to keep consuming product but nothing will actually change. In politics its called the red meat strategy.
There will be so much bs in the company now stopping him for doing stuff he wants to do
This is kind of what I feared, and why I am extremely skeptical of the product despite them saying a lot of things that have me intrigued.
The worst part is he's now probably obligated to stay around for those 3 expansions despite knowing he's been leashed by the "committee" of writers and designers who've ruined the game over the years while he was gone, and he's unable to do anything about it.
@ToyokaX feel bad for him especially with the kinda ppl who work their now probably going against what ppl want
Once the red hyrda has a foothold there is no getting rid of it unless you have the fighting spirit of a failed painter from Austria. Even then they won't let you do it and drag your name through the mud. Welcome to hell
Worst mage of all time has got to be Aethas Sunreaver. Leader of the horde elves of dalaran, folds to garrosh’s demands, let’s innocent people get brutally massacred in what’s supposed to be a neutral city and now we see him in Orgrimmar at the trading post sending jaina gifts and apology letters 😂 just sad
The reference Scott is making comes from some episodes of his podcast. It’s an inside joke.
bruh this is a pretty bad synopsis this is like saying hitler was a misunderstood painter who was wronged then decided to make a war to create a world thats better. Aethas fought fucking malygos dude, shielded the entire of northrend dalaran against him and the lich king. hes a protector. in one short story lorthemar said he admired that aethas always wanted peace, but he was young and naive especially politically which foreshadows how he is. however, he frequently mogged lorthemar and called him out on his dumb shit. coz of him (ironically yes) horde magisters and horde were allowed back into dalaran. he still motioned to send forces against garrosh, just so happened that force was traitor. dalaran was supposed to be neutral. if anything, lorthemar was partially responsbile for letting people get massacred in the neutral city as HE was the one caving to demands. aethas actually advocated for the sindorei to break ties to the horde entirely. it was when horde members used an insider to steal shit, aethas was threatened to back down. jaina has a psychotic break and decides to massacre horde members en masse (as you do). like idk bruh he got dealt a pretty bad hand, and you sayin hes the worst mage has gotta be cap, coz ingame it is stated he is at the SAME POWER LEVEL AS KHADGAR AND JAINA
Nah, it's kadghar. He is a pretty shit wizard.
Closed the orbital 3 times and even destroyed it but every time it just get reopened
@@ljp400 "bruh this is a pretty bad synopsis this is like saying hitler was a misunderstood painter who was wronged then decided to make a war to create a world thats better."
And you fail.
Not only is Aethas a massive alliance and dalaran simp. He is also a traitor to bloodelfs and the horde. In mage questlines. He steals from the blood elf treasury the artifacts of Kael'thas and gifts them to the Dalaran. Man. He doesnt even have rights in Silvermoon. The highest ranking mage is Rommath and he is the successor to Kael'thas. Where the f is he in the story?!
Wow! It is sad to see how many people are burnt out and sour in every comment section. Blizzard really fucked us and themselves in Shadowlands huh? Feelsbadman
Tbf the fkn games been out for 2 decades...it just needs to die already. It's been milked to the high heavens. There needs to be a new ip because Diablo & Wow ain't it anymore.
it wasn't just shadowlands, it's the direction of the game since then. The people that made vanilla, tbc and wrath are not working there anymore, or if they are it's very few. The direction of the game is something I'd see out of a My little pony episode and they've put more focused on how people see blizzard, instead of what blizzard produces.
It isn't the same company it once was. Most of the people see that and have moved on.
@@Khqra it will die when it no longer makes money, and currently it's making a lot of money.
No. Blizzard killed their game when they deleted all content with cataclysm and mist of pandaria. Only tryhard shills followed the game till then because real OG players left after the 20 downgrades of systems. Now they get no new cannon fodder player to sustain so they backtrack. Like the community did not told them for 12 years. Dead corpse that only gets revived at wow2
Who cares?
They need to recreate quest lines like the original defias. A quest over multiple zones that you stumble upon and your understanding of the threat grows over time
Thats fine but I'd argue it's less about the multi zone storyline and more about the lore being grounded. Simple conflict, families with reasonable motivation. Not this interdimensional meta level stuff.
@@xXdnerstxleXx you killed God, but... now alien God is mad.
@@xXdnerstxleXx I agree. The same thing happened with Marvel. Save the world, then the galaxy, then the multiverse, and then? People stopped caring after Thanos I think.
@@mufasafalldown8401 yup, infinity war was like the cumilation of everything they built up. Then they made endgame, some time travel shenanigans and it was downhill from there.
I'd argue wow had it's story climax already. It was with Legion. They could have made the game go on indefinetly if it weren't for the limitations though ever escalating stakes lore wise. The Defias brotherhood is a perfect exqmple for such a grounded storyline.
I also knew Shadowlands lore had to be bad before it came out, it's cause the only reason why you'd ever expand on the afterlive, is to bring fan favorite characters based on nostalgia back. Just 1 giant fan fiction. It was doomed from the start as it's most likely pushed down from marketing.
The Defias line was very cool because it was reasonable and understandably motivated. Van Cleef's reason for doing what he did made sense, and there was even a hook to a much larger scale story when you found out just who it was they kidnapped. That was cool. Legend of Stalvan was cool. There were lots of great low level storylines that were local in nature and had nothing to do with a world ending threat. Feels like it's been a long long time since they wrote anything like that.
It annoys me to hear him say "What do the team/artists want to build". Fuck them, we want the games Metzen used to make, you tell them what to build. what they have been building for the last 10 years has just been awful and gets worse with each expansion.
It's a creative industry, if people don't care about what they're making they won't donit well. The actual solution is getting a new team that is on board with the vision
@@sabershark3102 Sounds like these "creatives" have no concept of professionalism.
@@avenwing5440 mindsets like that are how we get soulless games like concord
I believe we are going to be getting Chris Metzen in the story but he's talking about the little nuances and little side story themes will be reflections of what the artists want to make. That's a good thing. You never want artists making things they don't want to make.
@@sabershark3102 Kind of, right? I do think that people there need to remember they're at work, following instructions. I think letting them do what they want is a major mistake. They can express themselves in their own time. On company time, you get paid to do what the boss tells you. But I think this company, whoever they are now - not Blizzard that's for sure - is too far gone.
Dragonflight is a excellent expansion? The expansion that had zero tension because the villains were comedic jokes?
The one good villain disappeared
Who cares about story in WoW? Dragonflight was an excellent expansion from the standpoint of someone who actually plays the game instead of watching lore videos on RUclips.
@ForOne814 you're asking who cares about the story in an RPG?
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@@ForOne814 It wasn't. Cope.
@@lordhughmungus subscriber numbers say otherwise. Cope.
Thought it said "How Chris Chan Saved WoW" i'm already cursed by the Sonichu medallion.
We exist together now. Two degens, in one grave...
God that would have been the story of the century
thou a physician
@@LawfulBased Once you get that it is Gnosis all the way down, things will clear up no pun intended
You must be in deep cuz there’s definitely entirely new words added there 🥴
"Y'all a bunch of shit eaters trying to tell people it's chocolate." -Asmongold
Not a single gaming community has coped harder than Blizzard fans have in all of gaming history.
and make it on multiple games with the same damn company , when you add stuff like Diablo , Overwatch ...
@@ZarathosDaimaoh Overwatch was really good but oddly enough the red flags were there since day 1, idk if we were oblivious or things changed gradually to the supposed final form that is nowdays OW2.
Nah Overwatch 1 was fine for a while , except for z few matchmaking issues they never nailed . Balance and content release pacing were always gonna be a source of issues and discussion , like in all Mp games . The moment it all went to crap , is when they knew they wanted to push for OW2 instead
@@ZarathosDaimaoh ofc it was fine but the red flags were there.
I'm a shit eater. I have money, I wanted to play now and not 3-4 days later. It's indefensible and stupid but I did it anyway. People should just be honest about this.
If he saved WoW, the Deviantart dragons would be removed from the game along with Vulpera.
Chris said he likes the Vulperans in this video LOL, what are you talking about
@@pumpkiiin hes saying thats what it would take for chris to save wow
I still don't know how those "Deviantart dragons" got through the quality filter. Design wise they are a joke.
Yeah there’s no going back. It’s not our game anymore. It belongs to the soybeards and purple hairs.
War within gonna suck if they give the idiots that ruined the game for 10 years now any freedom to take ownership of any story bits.
yay good story while gameplay still sucks across the board
stormy and metzen saved war within!
I don't know why they can't just trust the guy that actually created the success of the ip
I think its fine for side quests stories, I say thats the area's where the writers can go crazy and do whatever they want, but the main story / campaign leave it to chris.
Feeling that the main reason they hired Chris back on was mostly for the positive PR when the game was crashing to reel some of the population back in. Sounds like they already had things planned and didn't give him a lot of wiggle room to put many of his ideas in. He explaine it well, but just doesn't seem completely confident on this. Hopefully I'm wrong and this turns out great.
Exactly, he is a figurehead and mouthpiece to assuage the playerbase in a vain attempt to garner positive press.
War Within already has some dragonflight vibes with Dagran, Moira and Magni. Bitch King Anduin still suffers from chronic Light withdrawal and Alleria will be the next Tyrande.
These guys have a huge cast of characters to make a good story but it just ends up being a family drama show.
It always a drama if we are talking about Alliance characters
is Alleria racist and no-nonsense? because if she ain't, she ain't no Tyrande.
if she does not refer to some non-elf as an "outlander" at least once, she ain't no Tyrande.
if she does not call a non-elf an impure mongrel to his/her face at least once, she ain't no Tyrande.
if she is not fanatically religious in her devotion to whatever pos deity the high/blood elves worship, then she. ain't. no. Tyrande.
@@gotchauuu
Thought about it and Yeah, guess you're right lmao.
The vibes I got from dragon flight was like power rangers or something.
Illidan was a simp on W3 but he was at his best on Legion. He never even saw Tyrande or spoke to her, he just got to work and his dialogue was peak. His only final words for Tyrande when he stayed back at the seat of the pantheon were basically ''Tyrande, take care of my brother, I have things to do''
Illidan is one of the only characters that has improved over the years since his OG days.
He wasn't really a simp. He was well written but it seems that you have difficulties understanding how he could feel after 10000 years of imprisonment, being freed by one he fell in love with (she had to massacre/betray Wardens, who were her people too). Then he wasn't all about Tyrande, he was all about power/destroying Legion/Lich King. And in War3 he also left Tyrande in his brother's care.
Illidian in Legion was just Kerrigan 2 : Electric Bogaloo.
Absolutely cringe retcon.
Illidan pre-retcon, even with his "tuhrrrawnduh" fixation, was still a far more interesting character than the self righteous purple demonic saviour they turned him into over the course of just one expansion's plot development (even if the "I am my scars" line, by itself, was badass).
They must've written him not terrible by accident
@@lionart5230 He was imprisoned because he tried to use a power to fight the Legion and his brother didn't like it then the woman she loved cucked him with that same brother while Illidan endured a 10.000 years torment for her. He was a massive simp, sure it can be well written and reminiscent of a greek tragedy but it doesn't make him any less of a simp. But to each his own 🤷♂
@@tiffles3890 He's still the same character, a person willing to do whatever he needs to do to achieve his goal no matter who is against him or who tells him he's wrong. His convictions and will are rock solid same as his reluctance to leave destiny in the hands of some higher power or anyone other than himself.
Please explain to me how is he so different from W3 or how he was ''retconed'' other than not being hyper fixated in simping over Tyrande.
How is Christ Metzen making things any different? Aside from himself, it's the same people.
He does not. He does not care and it does not matter. It's just to make people buy the new expansion early. Just like D4 cinematics or ow2 season reviews
Huh, didn’t you hear microsoft fired 1900 blizzard employees after the acquisition? Part of that was wow team, a chunk of the narrative team including.
@@HasPotato Let's not pretend like most people who play wow care that much about the story. Gameplay was shit too for the past several expansions and it won't change.
@@Saladnessyou do realise that the vast majority of the player-base does not engage in online discourse about the game?
@@HasPotato after seeing the DEI characters this expansion they musta let the wrongs go...
Saved? The expansion hasn't even been out for a day.
Actually it's not even fully out yet. Nothing has been saved, they're still trying to squeeze blood from a stone. Milk every last cent no matter what. Some new small talent trees full of random procs and a slightly better narrative aren't saving anything so long as the decision making process and mentality behind game design don't drastically change.
How would you change it?
@@Spiresbeyond For starters the entire way the game is monetized is fucked. First you have to buy the game/expansion and then pay a monthly sub. On top of that there is an in game cash shop and a real money currency with the token. Which they then added into the Classic version. In addition to that Character Services also cost money and are overpriced. If your server dies, which is entirely outside of player control and thus falls on Blizzard's shoulders, you have to pay Blizz a not small amount of money per character to transfer. This fact is made worse by Blizzard not merging realms as often as needed. On top of all that after they pissed away every last bit of good will and fan loyalty and knew they had to deliver something big to make up for it and they come up with the asinine Early Access bullshit. I think that speaks volumes about their perspective of the game and how they view their players/customers.
Furthermore raid and dungeon design need fundamental updates. Why is such a large amount of time spent walking in instances when the reason everyone does them is for the encounters? Why are 3rd party addons like DBM/Weak Auras essentially mandatory? Why are so many fights designed around mechanics that wipe the entire group if a single person makes a single mistake?
I also feel class design is too shallow. So many talents are so basic/simple they could be baked into the spec and replaced with things that add depth/complexity/skill expression. Like 5/10% to whatever, increased random chance of thing, etc. Those are not interesting or engaging. The heroic talents are a good example of this. Thematically some of them are cool but almost all of them have zero depth to them due to being random procs with zero/very little player control. It's just more azerite traits. The regular talents are also set up in a way that give an illusion of choice in most cases. The only real choice in nearly every tree is "single target or aoe"?
Finally as a broader example there are many instances where it feels like the mentality behind game design is focused on limiting players in some capacity or simply wasting their time. They've made some strides here with the account wide changes but it still feels in many instances they want to limit/control how players can interact with the game to a much too high degree.
These are just off the top of my head and I hadn't even thought about PVP but there's serious issues there too. Oh and I just remembered how badly QA and Customer Support have been absolutely gutted over the years. I am sure I could write a full length essay on everything wrong with the game and how a great deal of it came about as result of ignoring player feedback. I am also sure if I spent 2-3 hours thinking about it I could at least come up with a few viable solutions/suggestions but I just don't feel like putting that time and effort into WoW especially when the devs won't even attempt addressing most of this. Even this comment feels like too much effort from me but I suppose this EA bullshit re-ignited my anger at Blizz. This shit is not isolated to WoW either. I'd rather just play games that don't try to milk me for every cent and are more concerned about good game play as opposed to pleasing shareholders to the extreme. Like compare From Software games, or Rockstar, or any first party Nintendo or Sony titles to Blizzard's games. It fucking laughable how massive the difference in quality is in games like WoW and Overwatch compared to games like RDR2, Elden Ring, Legend of Zelda or God of War. That's the standard Blizz used to be at, and not just for WoW.
@@Spiresbeyond writers need to be striped any dev with a twitter account just off them bring the game back to the feeling of og wow remove micros completely along with esports and seasonal content
@@UltimateBerserker ok one small point; if you have to transfer because dead server normally they'll give you that one for free in that specific circumstance. source: i've done it twice
The plot of the expansion is the exact same that previous expansions, so no.
Three expansions to fix this? He's gonna need all Three.
Hopefully they won’t need to resolve things. Or at least it won’t matter if they don’t.
I’m glad people are talking about WoW 2 more. WoW has become a cesspit of random 15 year old content next to more modern and flashy looking content.
A reset is way overdue, I really hope blizzard has at least started planning for that.
Spoiler alert, it will not be fixed
@@Dane23232 nothing to fix,retail is pretty damn good,if it had player housing it would be perfect
@@deenman23if you don't mind hard resets on gear every patch... sure? Another round on the hamster wheel am I right? 😅
@@mufasafalldown8401 yep,i love it,being able to drop out and come back and being able to catch up fast feels awsome,imagine playing classic where if you left in t1 and come back in t3.,...adios
They treated Khadgar very poorely, I didnt like it at all
the woke within
All characters are memes. Jokes
@@whoknows8225 you make my evening. xd
The age of men is over.
They gave him the varian treatment
Metzen did Cataclysm, Mists of Pandaria and Warlords of Draenor. I don't understand why people think him suddenly returning will bring the game back to what it felt like almost 20 years ago.
I would play these expansion over the current slop we're having everyday
They weren't perfect but they still felt like warcraft
Hot take. Wow was never that good. It was only good back then because people didn't know better and view it from the lens of nostalgia.
Majority of people like this are in their mid 30s now with shit job and no friends reminiscing about times they were teens playing games without care in the world.
Cataclysm had an amazing story and tons of brand new content. Badass villains, dragons, destruction of the world and new quest lines, new race, two raids on launch... Hard to beat this expansion, maybe legion had a comparable amount of content on launch, as eacu class had its own thing. Other than that nothing really comes close.
MoP was sick
@@Saladness Agreed.
I am yet to see any saving. Wake me up when the rainbow flags make way for old school warcraft.
Jesus Christ I wish I could give this comment more likes
Yeah the rainbows have unionized in the company so they are entrenched.
Faerin Lothar is the worst DEI insert ever seen in the game. Well, she actually comes in 2nd after the Dragthyr, a race literally based on the non-binary and trans identities…
@@ironghost-ug2si faerin is hilarious, I like how they piled all the dei on one character. Hopefully she's lgtv, that would be the cherry on top
@@ironghost-ug2sishe’s gonna be king of Stormwind/High King of the Alliance, mark my words
Unless they get rid of that feminine influence that has soften the game so much it’s not gonna work.
terrible gameplay and even worse story is way more of a problem than any feminine influence. asmon has got y'all completely obsessed with these weirdo concerns getting mad at games journalists and twitter freaks instead of bad game dev
It didn’t soften the game it rotted the game it has already spread and claimed destiny 2
Warcraft isn't about big bad orcs beating the shit out of humans with massive axes anymore. It's embarrassing to see Metzen of all people on board with current Warcraft
@@kingkarlito I agree 100% but there is definately a crossover between feminine influence and bad story, alot of dragonflight would have been great if they didnt treat it like a disney movie. If you take an IP thats had a darker and more serious tone and turn everything into a gimmick it objectively ruins the story by losing its identity.
One is entwined with the other, big brain.
Metzen was there when it started to fall apart. Interest peaked to see how this vid plays out.
« People who aren’t cool put themselves in the story »
Marvel & DC comics.
Marvel and DC are dead @@jshadowhunter
It's their last chance
For the 10th time
Honestly, WoW was never the same after Wrath of the Lich King. They started dumbing down the gameplay, and server communities basically died with the introduction of cross-realm features. Remember when getting epic gear actually meant something? Post-WotLK, they just handed that stuff out like candy. And don’t even get me started on the lore. Arthas was an epic villain, but after him, the story just got messy with all the retcons and weaker villains. Plus, the game became way too focused on microtransactions and casual content. Wrath was the last time WoW felt like a real adventure. Everything after just didn’t hit the same.
There’s way to many progression systems.
Raids feel meaningless and unfulfilling bc u can just farm the gear through mythic+…
Classes feel bloated and daunting to start
Wow core gameplay sucks and they are doing nothing to fix it this expansion. Feels like an ARPG game not a MMORPG
How can you even say gameplay is dumbed. It is like 86345x difficult than pre cata version of the game.
I played the classic. People were talking to each other in first 2 weeks then it all stopped. Like all the things to make people talk with each other was there, it was the exact replika of vanilla wow but yeah nobody talked with each other. It is not 2004 anymore it is 2024 deal with it.
Getting epic gear meaning something is a stupid point. It was colors back then, it is numbers right now. Ilvl replaced colors but they are literally the same. Go ahead and pretend numbers are colors then you will be happy.
Storywise yes Arthas was cool but pre cata all story occurred randomly. They didn't have any continuation. Like why did c'thun attacked after we defeat ragnaros? Dude attack a few weeks early while azerothians dealing with ragnaros half a world away and you will ass fuck whole kalimdor. Why did lich king decided to wake up after we are done at outland? Just wake up a few months early and conquer all azeroth anyone who is competent is on another planet 😂 post-cata though story was continuous end of an expac caused the start of the next expac. Without one, other could not happen.
It is not the game, it is you. You are burned out from the game which is ok you cant play same shit 20 years straight. It is ok to take a break or quit. I played dota 2 for more than 7000+ hours then i was done with it at some point and quit. It was not because of game design i just got overwhelmed from playing too much. But i dont cry over it
@@saffronbrick16Wow are you a ginger? Wow definitely had more soul and direction back then. I don’t know why you deny it
At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil.
Some of these complaints we're made during WotLK too. Specifically about dumbed down content and free epix.
However, you are completely correct about server community. Between that and LFG, the heart and soul of WoW as an emergent social experience died real fast once those features were launched.
🤔...metzen..isn't that the dude who did the great artwork for the warcraft 2 manual?
Yup
yea, then they put him in charge of the story, and things went to crap
Wow Warcraft 2, that's a 30 year old game!
@@MrBobloblaw60 he played a big role in a lot of the story early on lol .. aka wotlk that everyone loved
@@MrBobloblaw60You got it backwards brother, the story went to crap when Metzen left and Danuser took over....
25:35 this aged like wine
We will fix it, its just going to take 3 expansions that you will all have to buy and play through just to be disappointed, again
Same as they tell ow2 players lol.
Dragon flight was awesome
wow is beyond saving because blizzard is beyond saving. this game and the company that makes it are cooked. i hope microsoft just shutters blizzard, fires everyone and puts the ip's in the hands of a developer thats worth more than a fart in the wind.
do you do mythic raids?
@@schmidth why the fk is that relevant
Bill Gates is too busy in Africa and on Epstein Island 2 to care about your gaming experience.
Microsoft being better? Lmfao.
Spoiler alert. WoW and Blizzard will outlive you
Just because some people memed on Taurens doesn't make Taurens the same as Vulpera. Taurens literally became part of the Horde in WC3. They were always going to be a playable race.
not to mention that taurens are cool and vulperas are not.
tauren ooze primal wild brutality soothed by the gentle giant concept, whereas vulpera instills cringe in my very core from the ground up (and it doesn't go very far up because its just a gnome in a furry suit).
"heu heu milk jokes" are the worst you'll hear about taurens, whereas when you think of vulpera, likely one of the first images that spring into your imagination is some cringe deviant art sexualized furry character with a gay twist or some other degenerate undertone.
32:31 - Metzen turns in to Illidan "You are not prepared"
how long was that first handshake before they cut it
3:33 @Asmongoldtv that line was a reference and inside joke for something Scott has jokingly said about Khadgar for years on his podcast. He’s not being serious. He has called Khadgar the “shit wizard.” In context, it was funny.
"The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The next best time is right now."
WoW 2 we're ready.
At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil. And please no w ö k e writers
bro, Metzen said they have plans/are working on plans for up till patch 17.0, if you think they'll ever make WoW 2 just so that they lose people, lol :)))) they won't make WoW 2 when they have 7+ million people playing now, either Retail / Classic / Cata... they just won't, why spend hundreds of millions of USD, maybe even 500 million cuz you can't just launch WoW 2 with like 4 zones... you think Microsoft gonna spend half a billion for MAYBE a chance on something, when they can continue WoW in its current form while making billions yearly? lol
i guarantee you Chris Metzen had no say in Tirions death ,his main was a paladin back in the days and something tells me he has no say in the war within and he is just a PR stunt .
Yeah I'm convinced he was always just a PR hire
Is it me or is Chris just rambling in gibberish about nothing? Creating a sense of maximum agency and boosting sense of ownership and macro story lines this and that, much more democratized balance of WoW teams... wtf is going on?? I really don't get why folks are simping for this dude, literally ZERO reason to expect a change.
You've just never worked on a large creative team so you don't understand what he is saying. It's ok to admit it went over your head.
@@ARandomSub Creative team where? 😂🤡
People were expecting for this to be him saying how he's going to save wow when that's not what this is at all. It's a video meant to be a insight into how development works, it's not a promise how hes going to fix wow. If he just went in there like you guys suck and your all going to do what I say, none of the people would want to work for him.
theyre simping because he's an OG balding white dude with a rough exterior.. which is most of what the playerbase is tbh.
he's absolutely a PR hire and a front for the whole "we're going back to our roots and listening to the players" shpeel
@@MokuTom basically Joe Staten for halo infinite. One of the OG's that was apart of the glory days brought back for one last hurrah that will inevitably fail and they will leave again. Warcraft & Halo peaked and ended their stories well over 10 years ago now. Time to let them rest and move on. You fundamentally CANT force something to stay good or keep going when it was never intended to be that. Look at Star Wars or current Marvel. Things end, our capitalist consumer society just cant fathom it sadly.
I would constantly flip through all my Blizzard game manuals just to see Metzen's art over and over and over.
Hard to beat a dead horse when its already pulverized into the earth.
An Arc that spans multiple expansions. Story wise I believe Metzon will do his best to tie all the plot threads together the problem is will the higher ups let him do it.
It all boils down to how well TWW will do. Personally I 've already seen some 80s running around (crazy bastards, they had premapped everything in beta) and in general the new areas are filled to the brim with people. So, sales-wise it must have done at least decently. At lvl 74 I 've already witnessed a complete sub-story start to finish, it was poignant, it was melancholic and you had the feeling your actions mattered. We 'll see down the road how it goes. My extremely first impressions are very cautiously on the optimistic side of things, *so far* .
"Really listening for the team's instincts..." when he said that I yelled, "No! Don't listen to those morons!"
It's a management trick. Listen to your people and ignore what they say but make them feel heard or just add what they want where it has no impact.
"The things they're most passonate about. The things they're most dug in on."
"So, we've got body 2 dwarves and we're giving them beards"
Imagine making a expansion and not thinking of the future of whats next. How incompetent do you have to be?
Glad he corrected them in pre production.
I dont play WoW but it baffles me how some devs are just so stupid now a days for their playerbase and audience.
well thats the prblem ppl listend to much to this dei jokes, that are just self inserting them everywhere they can and not producing a good story not even when it was pretty good and knw before those clown touched it and ruined it
95% of this expansion was already set in stone when he came back, he even said so. No matter what he may do with it in the future, this expansion will be the same old thing from the people that brought you the soggy toast dipped in milk that was Dragonflight.
Outside of the lackluster story, dragonflight was An awesome feature dense expansion, with nearly no narrowed power or overt tedious grinds. By season 3 there was like 15 methods of getting decent gear.
I just want someone to ask the OG developers who thought it was a good idea to put in “Body Type 1 and 2” instead of Male and Female? Is that the consequence of letting the “creative democracy” lead instead of one OG visionary lead?
I just have to pay 89 euro to play the game on launch and keep paying my sub like a good slave
Don't do it. It's not worth you money.
@@majorshepard2 I won't im happy playing Classic and SOD rn
Unfortunately I feel like statistically the only people playing WoW are people who have never touched it before or ones who have spent years on it and are afraid to leave. Many people I know fall into the latter. If you aren't enjoying a game it isn't worth playing.
These kinda games are huge for sunk cost fallacy. Took me a long time to quit runescape when lost enjoyment in it. So many can't quit cos they know nothing else and don't want to see that time go down the drain
Imagine doing so much mental gymnastics to put yourself over people still playing a game.
Brother, ur saying this as if nobody enjoys the game n that were all just playing cos were stupid or some shit. Ppl enjoy the game, if they didnt it wouldnt still be alive. Shutup :D.
Naw i think most fall into sub for a month or two get my fun then quit until next season/patch i want to play.
I think we all know the real enemy in WoW is murlocs.
Give murloc allies race and givee now
Slicing a pie into three pieces is not three pies made.
Anduin feels like my younger brother I watched that kid grow into such a grown man and rise and fall and rise again. Learn so many lessons and suffer through so much I hope they continue with his character development. The Saurfang Saga was such a peak for me. I still go back to this day and watch the Mak gorah cinematic and I just have to log into wow and experience the game again to satisfy me.
25:55 this aged well
lol I was thinking the same thing, he bites it before the opening quest line is finished
The 'Khadgar - worst wizard of all time' is a sarcastic nod to how humble and often un-serious he is. Am I the only one who caught it because it kind of rocketed above Asmon's head I think.
Imagine naming your kids after a fkn game character
Lol, it's not as corny as "tommygunn"
@@bad3032 you mean like Zelda Williams?
@@Bophades93Zelda was a name LONG before the games, but your point does stand.
@@bad3032 Stick to begging for aba & preach reactions lil dude
i mean, it all depends on the name, doesnt it? If its a nice name that makes sense in the regular world, then i say go for it. Big difference between naming your daughter Jaina, or naming your son Saurfang.
Got to say, the way you expand on takes and deliver ideas is impressive, Asmongold
Female villains are great when they're actually villains, not just a stand in for Tumbler e-girls.
33:30 his comment on Tyrande being wrong for 10,000 years … i laughed so hard 😂
World of Warcraft The Low T Saga
Chris says "you know" 272 times in this interview, ouch.
Tirion was the worst death of all time, completely wasted the character.
The end of the Saga definitely is setting up for a fresh start.
1. The fact the next 2 expansion are being designed now instead of next 1.
2. The minimal system changes/addition of TWW.
3. Wrapping up the story of Azeroth, the main character of WoW.
4. Revamping zones for TWW. Setting up for a larger rework
i dont understand how he has saved WoW(Warcraft)? so long as Shadowlands and Dragonflight are canon the story is just completely ruined
Facts and bfa too
@@scottsetzke7967 Yeah BfA was bad too, but the reason I didn't mention it was cause nothing happen lore/story wise that was devastating to the overall world story. It was bad but the damage was mostly self contained. Shadowlands ruins the entirety or the story right from the cinematic!
People dont really care about the story.
@@DanielAnderssson God you are so so wrong LMAO Warcraft fans do. MMORPGs as a genre kinda suck! WoW is WoW because of it's story. bad gameplay can also be fixed.. but ruined story destroys the interest in the world! World if the essence of the MMORPGs. YOU might not care about it, but your not the type of player they care about losing either
Fully agree. At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil.
The only way to reset the game is for us to realise that the whole experience up until now was actually us still being stuck in Frostmourne.
We then manage to escape but The Lich King kills us this time.
He revives us as DKs but at some point in the game we are given the choice to either stay with The Scourge or go back to Alliance or Horde.
Then, we realise that the Scourge is the 3rd faction.
reminder that khadgar was at most 24 when he finessed the hell (literally) out of medivh
Somehow Sarah Karragin got a redemption arc but not Arthas.
You don't have a redemption arc without doing something wrong first. Arthas did nothing wrong
Exactly where’s my titan glowy god arthas
villains shouldn't always get redemption arcs
@@EB-bl6cc if sylvannas gets one so does arthas lol
@@EB-bl6cc the problem was that they gave redemption arcs to characters that had way less excuses for doing ehat they did.
Why did Metzen kill khadgar!
i remember when tauren were announced and gnomes were still up in the air (at least from what we knew) there was a webcomic about it with some gnome trying to appeal to the council of ingame races and they were talkin about how important the tone and seriousness of things were. and the gnome points at the tauren like wtf. it really was a meme at the time
Red meat strategy. Nothing is going to change. Wow for me died and no spirit healer can rez it
Nice vids asmong, deffo going back to Wow. Keep on the good work. Greetings from Denmark.
ive played the quest line of new expansion and i can tell Chris fucking lied about everything. Its gayest expansion ever, its not coming back to ORCS vs Humans slaying each other, its fucking spiders and disney shit
33:11 Blizz had to boot him across the cosmos to keep him from cutting Slyvanas in half. 😂😂😂
I wonder if Asmon would look as good bald as Chris does
18:00 Beautifully said Zack, perhaps one of the most truest and real statements you've ever said.
This interview doesn’t address any of the major complaints people have had for the last few expansions. He talks about improving the narrative but doesn’t mention any fundamental changes to the gameplay. The only good change they made was making things cross server/faction, but that doesn’t matter if the content itself isn’t enjoyable. This trilogy is just an attempt to get people invested by using FOMO, and when the first part disappoints they’ll just say, “Things are REALLY going to pickup in the 2nd part. The 1st part was just for setting up how great part 2 will be. We promise we’re listening to all of your feedback!” They’re doing the same thing they’ve done for years, they just have Metzen back to parrot it.
Metzen is the narrative guy not the gameplay guy
"Interviewer asked narrative/storytelling guy about story and not gameplay mechanics" WoW what a surprise...
@@Saladness Yet everyone says that he will save wow...curious.
the trilogy is just a bad idea honestly. i get the fomo stuff, but it dont work like that. if you came back to give wow another try and part one doesn't do it for you, you wont bother with part 2-3. if u miss part 1, or are new to the game you sure as hell wont join the game in part 2 or 3. You can just look at the numbers for any games that are trilogys and the player count drop off after part 1 is always around 20% and it just goes up and up. Even good games like FF7 rebirth had a huge number drop off from part 1. WoW will be just the same, and it will really hurt the game come part 3.
It goes back to the point of sincerity in media. So many 'modern' works play it safe, they go through the motions of checking boxes they think need to be checked, and wonder why no one resonates with the result. Because there isn't an authentic basis within it TO resonate with.
As a lifelong artist, I can say: you really do pour your soul into things you create from the heart. And putting a part of yourself out there, not getting a positive reception can be wounding. But that's a matter of misplaced expectations - just like not everyone's gonna like you, not everyone's gonna like your authentic works either. And there's a lot of posers in 'creative' spaces lately that fail to respect that, and aren't ready for it, so they just make topical crap they're not actually invested in so they don't get hurt. Big surprise, no one else will be invested in such works either.
Seeing Chris Metzen talk about wow feels like seeing George Martin talk about the song of ice and fire
Does it?
Look, I was there for the opening of AQ, I cleared BT and got full teir sets up to 5 as an Enhancer. I played wow from vanilla, never going to say classic, to cataclysm. I loved wow. I still love wow. I pop back every now and then. Im old now, I have little time for an mmorpg these days. I know it is not designed as such and probably never going to happen but I would love to see a 1 player version of the game going through the major story arcs and removing the filler. No shade for wow. As I said, I love it and it was a big part of my childhood and teenage years.
Initially I was like okay Metzen sell me on this. You're back, you're gonna un-pussify WoW, you're gonna come in and tell a story people can give a shit about without Alexstrasza talking about her feelings or whatever the fuck. Then he started talking about the "democratization" of the writers room, and I immediately lost 90% of my interest, because I can just envision what the internals of that company look like.
They're building more of the same garbage pussy shit that they made with Shadowlands and Dragonflight, and while I'm sure Metzen was able to inject some input and maybe even steer the overall direction of the ship... I'm equally as sure that the smaller scale decisions and the low level designs (things like quest writing and side characters) are still firmly in the hands of the people who have been running the story for the past three expansions. The trash.
At this point, I'm no longer on the fence. If Metzen had said the right things here, I would've bought War Within sight unseen. But as is? I'm gonna wait for a few weeks and try to get a feel for what the direction of the story is through places like this channel. If the verdict is that it's still the same woke touchy feely shit, then my sub will remain inactive. I'd love to come back and play WoW again but on principle I don't want to give money to another effeminate trashfire.
I can imagine the "democratization" looks something like 9 liberal white women, 2 trans dudes, and Chris Metzen in one room. He gets outvoted on every single thing and has no power.
Good call, War Within is the wokest story yet. A literal fish market.
Df was the beginning and now TWW looking good so far! The zones Look amazing
I doubt. WoW looks bad and is getting worse. Things are so bad that I actually miss BFA. I actually played a horde ALT in BFA, just to look at the other point of view of the war. It's so over bro...
What content did you play in DF?
It's been mention before, but. As someone who cares a lot about the story, the roleplay. The amount of damage done to the world in BFA, Shadowlands and to a far lesser extent Dragonflight, is simply irreparable. The game needed a reset, a massive 50y gap for the world to kind of deal with what's happened, restore Lorderon, Gilneas as permanent alliance/forsaken cities.
So much of the old world just sits completely destroyed as we move onto the new shiny thing. They needed to take a step back before jumping into the new thing, at least for me to be interested in the game again.
Im the same as you but to me BfA, Shadowlands and Dragonflight never existed and the story of WoW ended with the Wrath of the Lich King everything after that is just pure fanfic full of non sense and just insulting the fans
@@khebre6032 IMHO that's just kind of a bad take... We needed to deal with Deathwing and the legion.
Arthas and Illidan were just their goons.
And the old gods stuff in Pandaria is absolutely ace.
@@Nesque agreed
So I'm lvl 80 and have done almost all of the main story quests and without spoilers I'll say this: It's still the Girlboss show. 100%. The amount of male cuckery in this expansion puts Dragonflight to shame. Men are either killed off left and right, or made into villains so a girlboss can come forward. I'm sure Chris' involvement is more 30,000 feet umbrella with Alleria and gang, but the moment to moment questing is extremely cringe.
lol
World of Women
The problem with killing off too many OG characters is that very few of the new characters are compelling enough to build future stories around. Sure, it raises the stakes when villains can kill heroes like Khadgar, but kill too many and who are you left with? Dagren Thaurissan? Shadris Feathremoon? Calia Menethil? Tess Greymane? Durak, son of Thrall? Princess Talanji?
Shit wizard "dies" within the first 25mins.....I'm calling it
There we go, someone understands the inside joke.
One thing that still doesn’t make sense to me is how Khadgar went from a 70 year old man in TBC to a 50 year old in WoD. I understand the dude had some aging spell on him but was it ever explained why he looks so much younger? Was it a retcon or is it explained?
So already confirmed he is not changing the writing process, so the story will continue to be convoluted garbage.
More that he can’t change much at this stage for War Within. By the time he got involved, most of the story had probably already been written with cinematics and quest design well underway. There’s only so much someone can do at that stage without completely de-railing the development process which can be death in a live service like WoW that demands a steady supply of content.
As a dude that hasn't played retail since WoD, but is 100% nostalgicly tied to the lore of Azeroth... maaan... I've done deeep dives into Nobbels lore vids, PlatinumWows.. these stories, are, amazing. I am ecstatic to have Metzen back in the Role he never should have left. Warcraft is and always Will Be, His story. If Blizzard really wants to save this world... let him Cook!
“I rolled a Vulpera and dress him up like a Disney character…” gg. Wrap it up boys, it’s officially over.
This is my thought as well. We need more metal in WoW, not more Disney.
I actually bought the war within and took a subscription. first time in like 8 years because i want to support WoW. its mostly for nostalgia reasons. i am also playing the alt class i used to play druid. i am just going to find a casual guild. because i used to be super hardcore world top 10 that's something of the past for me
Man this is peak Cope. Peaking so bad , like right before a death. Metzen bro you should of stayed in retirement, now youre over here bending over backwards for the company that destroyed your Legacy. Imagine dude, having to go back to your job because your company decided to burn your work and they called you back to do it again. Like have some self respect dude... Now... its on YOU if this expansion is ASS as well. The copium is really bad now and im here to laugh at everyone who has their heart broken once again by another turd expansion. This game should of just fizzled out.
Okay.
1000%. He might make it somewhat better but there's too many things wrong with current WoW that are woven deep into the core of the game, you need to rip them all out but no one will be willing to do that. The only way is a WoW 2, not sure if that will happen or not (and even if it does, will they have the right people on it)
What are u talking about? He destroyed his own legacy many years ago, he just talking head for wow fanatics, just part of the promotion. He doesn't care at all only money. You guys so coping if thinks that this people still have passion for wow
People here talking as if he wasn't the creative director for Cataclysm and Warlords of Draenor. I think the rose-tinted goggles are put on too tight.
Should’ve*
Chris Metzen's art in the warcraft 2 book that came with the game was my favorite thing ever as a kid. Unbelievably powerful, badass and expressive art.
Sure helps to listen to your coworkers but you're creative director for a reason. Make sure you do whats best for the game and not please the people that work under you.
Khadgar is closer to the First ones than Sargeras is
Old Ezio is a G
I feel like by the end of the Worldsoul Saga they might kill off Thrall... You could do so much with that emotionally, like having him sacrifice himself to save Anduin maybe... Then having like, a funeral for Thrall at the end where it's both factions coming together and mourning him... Like, it makes me wanna cry just imagining what those cutscenes would look like, unironically...
(Plus Thrall could still always show up again as a ghost maybe or in flashbacks, it's World of Warcraft...)
They started the video cleaning their nose cavity from that ❄️
oh come on
@@Dataraptor-v9l I’m not judging actually find it kinda cool
@@Saiyansteve not judging either but I dont think that's the case at least here
I got into classic when it was initially released and played through naxx and loved it , played some of tbc and wrath . Does it make sense to try retail at this point ? I tried shadowlands and got overwhelmed , couldn’t pvp did raid a little but got bored with all the damn stuff you have to do to keep up. Should I give it another shot?
When are they putting masculinity back in the game. I don't think they introduced a single strong male character in the new expansion
The thing I like about the war within is the 3 part expansion story and that all editions of game give a level 70 boost.