Masters of the B roll ... Seeing everyone acting like they were really talking on the phone had all of us cracking up ... and that bit with Richard talking on the phone and saying "Why don't you come on down"..OMG I almost peed myself ... lol
What a deal! I've never seen anyone drive such a hard bargain on a gift! I'm going to take a wild guess that SELDON has made a remarkably brilliant marketing move in gifting the 2 greatest Warriors on RUclips with an astonishingly useful and easy to install and universally helpful sailing tool as an electric winch! I thought it was nice of Carly to go ahead and let you install it to get you some experience! 😄 You didn't say how Carly got the offer from SELDON but I think we know! Hank arranged it! I think I might have ground down the nubs on the anti-skid pad under the winch so the winch could be sealed to it so water doesn't run under it. I didn't see the wire hole get caulked so water could run down the wires, or it could just accumulate under the winch and dust would turn into dirt then mud. It didn't look like the overhead panel that would cover the bottom of the winch would fit snug up against the underside, so the switches protruding down below wouldn't be a problem. If the bimini is ever off when the rains come in, just blow some air under the winch with a straw and see if water is accumulating under it. Then I suppose you could then just caulk around the winch. If you ever get back to SELDON, ask if they could give an explanation about free-standing cylindrical masts! I think that would to be interesting!
⛵⛵⛵ you two are winning the hearts of thousands from all over !! Congratulations on your new upgrade... and congratulations to Seldon for seeing the benefit/value of being so generous. Now .. you need to teach Hank to tail (no pun intended) the winch.
Excellent video again guys! Just a word of caution, there may be a problem in the inherent strength of the support for the winch. Embedding the aluminium plate into the core, rather than epoxying the initial drilled holes and then placing the plate under this, may have weakened the structure. The effect is that all the forces are now being placed on the upper fibreglass layer only. The strength of the original construction is by virtue of the use of a core with a layer of fibreglass above and below. Normally, a winch is installed on a deck with large washers, or spreader plate, that refers the forces to the full thickness of the deck. Also, would suggest that the rubber is removed from underneath to ensure a firm surface or you may get movement in the bolts. Huge forces can be generated by electric winches (we have 3 on our Amel), so I advise caution as to the mounting methods employed. Sorry to put a dampener on an excellent video.
Agree with above. An alternative approach is to epoxy a sheet of 1/4" Garolite (G10) to the lower fiberglass skin, then fill the old voids and plugs for the new machine screws from above with un-thickened epoxy & chopped glass fibers, and re-drill the holes. Attach with extra-thick fender washers. Super strong.
I luv it! That thing was an accident waiting to happen!!! I luv the bit of metal.. best place for it if I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing your lives with us 🤙🏼✌🏼💗😊❣️
hey selden if youre watching... two things: 1. came to this channel from sail life, enjoyed the presentation and facts. thinking my first powered winch (i use a 20v dewalt grinder with an adapter... ewwww....) should definately be a selden 2. it has ludicrous mode. only a fool would buy anything that doesnt offer ludicrous mode. oh and subscribed. :)
I hesitated a long time before installing a Selden E40i . I just didn't like to loose the possibillty of using a winch manually. Also I had already an electric winch handle. Last winter I have installed the winch on the cabin-top too, to reefe the genoa and to hoist main sail. Best investment for the boat after I discoverd to have a arthroses problem in the hands. I have sold the electric winch handle because indeed you can redirect lines from other side to the winch. And ludicrous mode? I like that one too 😇 Thank you for exellent video explanation regards Jaap (ovni 385)
Hi, Dom. Somehow, I missed this one until just now. Once again, when faced with a challenging installation or repair job, you have shown courage, persistence, skill, creativity, intelligence, and flexibility. You deserve the highest compliment this experienced sailor can muster: "I'd cross an ocean with you." Best, Chris
Great video Dominic. It's just great to see how your skills have developed over the last couple of years or so. Off to see Mads and Ava with their spiffy winch now.....
Brilliant video guys. Just the right amount of technical. I have one complaint though - I had been saving up for a new chart plotter, and now that's been pushed firmly down the list. I now need this winch!
Really interesting video and great promo for Selden, which I think they earned. When I first saw the price of the winch I thought jeepers but after watching the video I thought actually its a great bit of kit and I don't think you would regret the purchase. Lucky you and Mads but both your channels deserve it.
That was quite a developemet! I got two of the older versions with no electronic. And the oldest have served me for 15 years. Downside is lack of manual operation of the winch. In case of electric/electronic failure, you will be out of winch. My main use is to hoist my 60 kg main sail. To proper adjust/fine tune the tension, I also use the 'mechanical' handle.
Was l the only one watching Dom's initial reluctance, and realise he's thinking...... ' Looks as if Carly is going to be winching me up the mast from now'😱🤣
Great video. I love this winch. I want one. I went down this rabbit hole last year. I am in phuket thailand and electric winch on the shelf at rolly tasker is 7,000 usd for a 45 lewmar. But at east marine here i found the e wincher 2 electric winch handle. For 2,600 usd. I bought it and i love it. Its made all 6 winches on the boat electric. It lifts the 150 kg inflatable into the davits w zero problems,furls the jib in 30 knots, and does it all day long on 1 charge. More like 5 days on a charge. I use it every day for a year and its been awesome. On a bigger boat above 60 feet i dont think e wincher will be as usefull.
Another excellent video. I installed the E40i last year and I agree it was easy. It is pricey if I’m honest but we love it regardless. My challenge is on our Bavaria has a moulded ceiling so we have to go wire fishing for every install in those locations (so we try not too. ;-). ). I’m interested that you guys and Mads feel it’s worthwhile with electric winches when you are still young. It was killing my back winching in that location - so a real help, plus I’m more willing to trim with the extra help. But regardless makes me happy to see also young people fitting such help (and I feel less old if only for a moment)
It would be wrong to say that we needed the winch, we are indeed still young and able, but it was offered to us for free, plus we have a lot of power of Cadoha now with our lithium bank and solar, so didn’t see the harm. I feel like it’s an improvement on what was there, certainly in terms of fitting anyway 🙏🙏⛵️😬
One of the first youtubers I've seen that's done mastic sealing correctly, well done. i.e. lightly tightening the screws until the mastic has had time to set and then tightening fully. I've seen too many times people applying mastic and then winding the screws up tight before the mastic has had chance to set squidging out out of the side and reducing the depth and effectiveness of the seal. Also use of Duralac gets a 👍Belt 'n' braces.
Wow great idea all that in a self contained unit... but at £4.5K I think I'll stick with my manual no-nonsense Lewmar beauties! Great job with the install, man you've got skills!
I always put a grommet in any metal so that wires do not wear with the ship motion and create a short circuit. Where I have to run wires through metal tubes, I try to use the irrigation plastic pipe which is thin-walled, and push it through the pipes first. This happened in the bimini and solar panel racks.
Nice video, personally i would have removed the Treadmaster non slip from under the winch to get a better seal. Also always if you can apply fibreglass or epoxy onto a previous layer that has not completely cured, this way you get a far stronger chemical bond rather than a just mechanical bond. Personally I would put the box under the overhead much less noticable, also use several layers to make a 'plywood' rather than a box, but I'm sure it must be annoying when people critisise your work. We really enjoy your videos, so well done and keep it up.
I had a chuckle at the beginning. Carly called you about the Selden and in your words, "WE almost talked ourselves out of it." This would give the impression that you BOTH almost came up with that idea. I bet Carly was thinking, "What's this WE?" Good video. Much enjoyed.
Wow another great video. I installed behind mast furling and lead all the lines to the cockpit. The space was quite limited and would have loved an electric winch but there was no space below to fit the motor assembly. This design would have been perfect 👍
Having only just recently discovered these 'super thanks' donations I want to firstly say sorry for the incredibly late reply and also thank you so much for your generosity. It's very humbling ☺️
Brian and Anne! How the devil are you two?! We will be coming back up, don't you worry. Hope we get to see you both again and exchange some adventure stories 😁🙏🏻⛵️
Oh that Richard Thoroughbred is a splendid fellow and a good man to know when you’re in a sticky spot. I was fortunate to have had dealings with him when he was a young up and coming sailing athlete and I’m absolutely sure he will raise the bar at Selden. Toddle pip.
Astonishing how small the cables are, just fitted an Harken Winch conversion where the cable requirement is 50 mm² from Battery to Winch Above 5m (really happy with result though)
Great asset to have aboard. Not sure if you could get a lead to it but would be useful winching a MOB back on the boat. Cadoha is looking very smart and well prepared. Andy UK
We're always trying to do our best to make her a little bit better with each opportunity we get. We don't always get it right and sometimes go back and change what we've done (case in point, the stay sail removal) but we're forever learning 😁🙏🏻⛵️
Great videos guys...thank you, you do a fantastic job of show casing the UK. In this episode you said you use ARBOCOL to seal the through bolts. Which variety of ARBOCOL are you using please? 🍻
Nice job but for those of us that have to shell out hard earned boat funds that winch @ over £4K (Force4’s price - others have it @ 2.6k) is a bit expensive for a small boat. And there is no mechanical backup for when you run out of power - if it has a 100amp breaker in the supply feed then it’s going to draw 50-60A, may be more on a real load, how long will that last on most boats House bank?
I'm another one wondering if a stainless steel backing plate would have been simpler to avoid any dissimilar metals? Maybe too hard to tap? But then I'd prefer a small cut out in the new grp so that I could use a nyloc nut. Actually though, we prefer FR4 backing plates to further reduce any chances of ever getting any corrosion 😊 Anyway I should also say what a great job, great video and Selden we don't mind having a winch as well 😂
I’ve been lucky enough to essentially be a boat yard apprentice for the past two winters now, and I guess some of the things I’ve learned are really starting to take hold. But the older I get, the more I realise just how much I don’t know. I have no doubt that every day will continue to be educational 😁🙏⛵️
Well done, thx for bringing the info. Can it run both ways and do they have a remote control? I am adapting my boat for single/short handed sailing and I wonder if the electric engine is powerful enough to handle the jib sheets. (Currently Lewmar 53) A more powerful electric engine would require way bigger cables right?
Great informational video and fun to watch. Thank you. One thing I noticed about this winch is it doesn't have a hole to insert a winch handle to manually operate it. What happens if there is a power failure? Racers (at least here in my neck of the woods) aren't allowed to use electric winches while racing.
Well spotted there. Well, I don't think there's much danger of us entering Cadoha into a race any time soon, but you're right, there is no way to manually operate it, so in that case you need to piggy back it off of a manual winch in such a circumstance.
@@CadohaAdventures that’s also why Seldén also recommend not replacing all winches with this type. We’ve piggy backed the other way round to give us power on the starboard side (E40i is on the port) and it is magic. That is such a powerful winch. By the way take care if winching someone up the mast. It is not recommended to use power winches for that because if it jams on, a foot getting caught in rigging or similar would be a nasty accident. With that in mind I’m sure careful use could be considered (just not recommended)
Yup, I noticed that as well. It means you can't replace a winch, this has to be in addition; if you have space :( If you could manually operate it as well I would already be applying for the mortgage for 2!
In the past I would have used predrilled holes, epoxy & then sandwich it together with blind huckbolts & huckbolt puller. Just a thought. Tear it up guys!
Well that’s fair enough. I noticed after watching the video back that I referred to a blue wire as green. I had to double check with Carly that it was just a slip of the tongue and I wasn’t also being colour blind 🙏🙏😬
Love you posts . But to me this just takes the enjoyment of sailing away . And puts more load on your battery’s which you have to find away of recharging. I live on my sailboat all year round going to different parts of the south coast. I don’t like going into marinas and having to charge my batteries. I do it but wind and solar. When you have a fridge and all the other things. That run of 12 v you have to be careful . Be good to bump into you guys sometime.
I looked at this when I replaced all my winches recently. I sail single handed sometimes and if you hurt yourself, you still need to be able to grind winches. I decided against it because should you need a powered winch, an electric handle turns all your winches into powered for a fraction of the cost, and without the installation headache.
There is a movement afoot to start using yellow instead of black for the negative wire on boat battery systems. Just a heads up because it looks like you are using yellow for positive.
I have to say that the aluminium threads are a major weak point in your installation. You should turn the bolts upside down, add a large thick steel washer to bottom for better load spread and then add a washer and nut to the top. Or add a washer and nut to the bottom (but I guess you don't have room). It will probably be fine, but I would rather have these loads going into hard steel than soft ali.
Hey u two, u didn't show us u using the winch, what are u doing to ur subscribers hmmmm, ok next vlog better show it😁😎 Top stuff really enjoy ur vlogs, and I think u installed it with very good description, electric winches let' u keep sailing even in ur elderly yrs, there a bottler as u poms say🤣🇦🇺⛵🎣
Love the idea. The PSU will no doubt be a DC-DC converter which steps the 12v up to I'm assuming 48v Seeing as there are 3 wires from the winch to the control unit that suggests that it's a brushless motor which will mean it's much more efficient, more accurate control than a brushed DC motor. Very cool but my god that price tag.... Ouch! £4500 That's about 50% of my boats value lol
The entire system set up certainly isn't cheap, no argument there, but I'm sure for some people, it's the kind of thing that makes the difference between being able to continue sailing and keeping hold of their boats much longer than perhaps they otherwise could? For us, it's a super luxury item that there's no way we'd have been able to splash out for, so again, we feel very fortunate that Richard is such a fan of the vlog and I certainly hope the video gets the E40i in front of a few more people who perhaps never knew about it, that maybe it does work for? 🙏🏻😁⛵️
@@CadohaAdventures no doubt just wish so much of this cool tech was more affordable. Price for all the tech seems to start at 1k and go up from there, chart plotters, autohelms, ais, wind instruments, log, battery management, even basic self tailing winches. And yes I'm a bit annoyed because I simply can't afford to keep my boat :(
@@DorsetSaferRoads You either pay someone else through the nose or you DIY - for all the electronics, take a look at OpenCPN (includes plotter, planning, weather, autopilot etc etc) , for AIS transponder take a look at Maiana (which interfaces to OpenCPN) & for battery management (I presume you are talking lithium) look at DIYBMS It is amazing what is around if you are prepared to put in a bit of work to learn how it all goes together
The issue with that is that we wouldn’t be able to fit the headliner back up. I imagine this is why whoever fit the last winch did what they did, but I’m hoping this installation is a huge improvement on what was there previously 🙏⛵️
@@CadohaAdventures You have a shear point now where the the threaded bolt enters the plate, whereas a shanked bolt would not, the domed nut is for appearance only. I liked you'r attention to detail. Missed seeing the other two members of the crew.
Very interesting video and with no disrespect to Sail Life cannel I think Dom's guidance is all you're likely to need given that SELDON have gone to such lengths to give such clear instructions and colour coding. One thing does leave a question in my ming though, notwithstanding Brian Ford's comment, why leave the "Treadmaster Non Slip" under the winch at all as it would seal much better on a smooth GRP surface - In fact why have Treadmaster Non Slip under the spray hood where no-one will be walking anyway?
@@CadohaAdventures thanks for explaining I guess if you were in a big blow and sheeting the main in through a stopper then the penny washers would have started to pull through and you’d have noticed the winch move at an angle ?
It would be wrong to suggest that we ‘need it’, although I imagine if I was in my 60’s, perhaps I personally would, who knows, but it’s clearly more of a luxury item, which was given to us for free, and the one thing Cadoha does now have quite a lot of, is power, so no harm done 😬🙏⛵️
Interesting. I was excited until I looked at the Selden E40i and realized it was hard to justify the much great (160%) cost. That is, the Defender costs compared to a Lewmar 40EST at $2800 vs the Selden E40i $2800 + PSU $740 + ContPack $800 = $4,340. Ouch! I want an electric halyard winch for my cabin top, and it would be nice not to have the motor seen from below, it not that much space nor critical. That said, if it the cost was closer to $2800 + PSU/CP $800, then I would be tempted. Sorry, I'm just try to be honest.
Unless I missed it, you do not discuss WHY an electric winch in that location is an improvement. It appears that your starb'd coachroof winch serves just one line - is that your main sheet? Mainsheet loads should not be a significant challenge on a 38' sloop. And what about redundancy, when the the electrical winch operation (multiple points of failure) lets you down during critical conditions, when the loads will be highest.
Life saving? Where does it connect to the heart defibrillator? ( only joking) but still not any use for me when as a single handed sailor at the top of the mast I have no remote!!
@@CadohaAdventures Pass it on to Seldon they might want to think about it. In my case I use climbing gear which always leaves me 18 inches +or- below where I want to be as the gear takes up that much room. It might be too limited a market for them but there are a lot of singlehanded sailors out there. Keep up the GREAT vids.
The only downside to using electric winches is battery drain.but who wants to winch on a drum all day long? Wear you out. Puts a big check mark on my free electric winches too! 😂⚔️🏴☠️🧐
You probably did not need that massive aluminum plate, the way it’s in bedded in the structure does not really add much strength as it is just basically an extension of the winch and only as good as how it’s attached to the boat, that has not changed very much (3 layers). I would just have filled out that void with epoxy and fibers and be done with it.
Great video but I can't understand why the switches have such a deep profile. It would have been possible to design a system using surface mounted switches with no below surface profile. Can't understand how companies make a great product but continually stop Short of making it exceptional.
Did you and Mads plan this Selden doubleheader today? If so, well done! One might ask why does the Selden E40i have multiple sides in lieu of a round part that has contact with the boat lines? My guess is that as the line contacts the E40i there is actually more surface area in contact with the line, not to mention the corners of the multiple plates have greater holding power without causing chafe. Yeah, picture a plan view (looking down from the top) of a dodecahedron versus a circle. One other observation, when shining a flashlight (torch) on the mirror-like body of the E40i at night, then powering it to rotate, you have the making of a disco chandelier that could serve your party quite nicely. Hmmm... :¬) Webhead USA
No, I was actually meant to have my video out weeks ago, but the install kept calling for things that I didn’t have, then I was working away a lot, after that I edited all of our footage and realised I had bits missing and had to re-shoot some shots for the story, and eventually it took getting Covid to sit and finish it. So it’s just by pure chance that Mads is super efficient and works well in real time and I was a bit slow that led to the happy accident of similarly timed release dates for the winch.
The principle of vertical ridges rather than a round winch drum is fundamental to Andersen Winches. I believe that rather than friction between the line and the drum, the friction is internal to the braid where the line bends over each ridge.
Getting Selden to invest this much into your channel is a nice acknowledgement of your top notch Content! The are right!
That's not investing. That's paying for an ad.
@@Clayne151 would they pay for an ad on a crappy channel?
@@Nerd3927 probably not, does not change the point this is an ad.
Masters of the B roll ... Seeing everyone acting like they were really talking on the phone had all of us cracking up ... and that bit with Richard talking on the phone and saying "Why don't you come on down"..OMG I almost peed myself ... lol
Richard wasn't just a legend for making this happen, but he's clearly a really good sport too 😁
We owe him many a beer 👌🏻
Richard makes a solid call to persuade his bosses to do this and to convince doubting D😂🙄. Great promo for Selden...and why not👏👏
I hope Richard is repaid many times over for his leap of faith 🙏🏻🙏🏻😁
He's also just a really good egg! 👌🏻
@@CadohaAdventures k
The only problem I see is that if it breaks down you can't use it manualy.
What a deal! I've never seen anyone drive such a hard bargain on a gift! I'm going to take a wild guess that SELDON has made a remarkably brilliant marketing move in gifting the 2 greatest Warriors on RUclips with an astonishingly useful and easy to install and universally helpful sailing tool as an electric winch! I thought it was nice of Carly to go ahead and let you install it to get you some experience! 😄 You didn't say how Carly got the offer from SELDON but I think we know! Hank arranged it!
I think I might have ground down the nubs on the anti-skid pad under the winch so the winch could be sealed to it so water doesn't run under it. I didn't see the wire hole get caulked so water could run down the wires, or it could just accumulate under the winch and dust would turn into dirt then mud.
It didn't look like the overhead panel that would cover the bottom of the winch would fit snug up against the underside, so the switches protruding down below wouldn't be a problem. If the bimini is ever off when the rains come in, just blow some air under the winch with a straw and see if water is accumulating under it. Then I suppose you could then just caulk around the winch.
If you ever get back to SELDON, ask if they could give an explanation about free-standing cylindrical masts! I think that would to be interesting!
Seldén
We did actually put Arbokol around the wire hole and every fixing hole too, but will be good to check how it's gone, later in the season 😁🙏🏻
I would agree that eliminating the “nubs” on the Treadmaster would have helped stop water tracking under the winch.
⛵⛵⛵ you two are winning the hearts of thousands from all over !! Congratulations on your new upgrade... and congratulations to Seldon for seeing the benefit/value of being so generous.
Now .. you need to teach Hank to tail (no pun intended) the winch.
Great install, Captain, and thanks to Carly for pushing it through. Fabulous winch, Seldon !!!!
Should make handling the sheets pretty slick. ✨⛵⚓🌊🌴👙🌞✨
Ah, Carly is the ships Captain, I am the chief engineer.
'I canny give her any more, Captain' 😁⛵️
Excellent video again guys! Just a word of caution, there may be a problem in the inherent strength of the support for the winch. Embedding the aluminium plate into the core, rather than epoxying the initial drilled holes and then placing the plate under this, may have weakened the structure. The effect is that all the forces are now being placed on the upper fibreglass layer only. The strength of the original construction is by virtue of the use of a core with a layer of fibreglass above and below. Normally, a winch is installed on a deck with large washers, or spreader plate, that refers the forces to the full thickness of the deck. Also, would suggest that the rubber is removed from underneath to ensure a firm surface or you may get movement in the bolts. Huge forces can be generated by electric winches (we have 3 on our Amel), so I advise caution as to the mounting methods employed. Sorry to put a dampener on an excellent video.
My thoughts as well
Agree with above. An alternative approach is to epoxy a sheet of 1/4" Garolite (G10) to the lower fiberglass skin, then fill the old voids and plugs for the new machine screws from above with un-thickened epoxy & chopped glass fibers, and re-drill the holes. Attach with extra-thick fender washers. Super strong.
Nice job with the finger joints on the switch box. Well done!
I can’t take the credit for this, Ned (at red roof marine) kindly made the wooden housing for me 😬😁🙏
I luv it! That thing was an accident waiting to happen!!! I luv the bit of metal.. best place for it if I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing your lives with us 🤙🏼✌🏼💗😊❣️
hey selden if youre watching... two things:
1. came to this channel from sail life, enjoyed the presentation and facts. thinking my first powered winch (i use a 20v dewalt grinder with an adapter... ewwww....) should definately be a selden
2. it has ludicrous mode. only a fool would buy anything that doesnt offer ludicrous mode.
oh and subscribed. :)
I have no doubt the big wigs at Selden will see your feedback 😬😬😁🙏🏻
Welcome aboard, matey 😁⛵️
Amazing video - so detailed and informative. Well done and thank you
Fantastic job Dom! That backing plate mod was stellar!
Couldn’t happen to a nicer couple of sailors. Well done Selden.
Nicely done DIY video! Don’t sell yourself short. You are very entertaining. Love it!
I enjoy your tenacity and of course Hank. Thank you for making my life better.
Can I suggest that you put some Ny-Lock nuts on the bolts that hold your new winch down. In that way nothing will rattle off! Phil
Why the bolts are drilled and tapped into the aluminium plate no need for nuts
I hesitated a long time before installing a Selden E40i . I just didn't like to loose the possibillty of using a winch manually.
Also I had already an electric winch handle.
Last winter I have installed the winch on the cabin-top too, to reefe the genoa and to hoist main sail.
Best investment for the boat after I discoverd to have a arthroses problem in the hands.
I have sold the electric winch handle because indeed you can redirect lines from other side to the winch.
And ludicrous mode? I like that one too 😇
Thank you for exellent video explanation
regards Jaap (ovni 385)
Well you certainly knocked that one out of the park. Well done on your achievements.😀😘⛵️
Absolutely brilliantly edited intro to your Seldon tour. Great channel!
Thank you kindly, glad you enjoyed it 😁🙏🏻
Thanks Brother 🤘
What an awesome install 👌
Great looking winch
Glad you enjoyed it, and yes, it’s quite a flash bit of kit. Now just looking forward to getting out there and using it! 😬😁⛵️
Hi, Dom. Somehow, I missed this one until just now. Once again, when faced with a challenging installation or repair job, you have shown courage, persistence, skill, creativity, intelligence, and flexibility. You deserve the highest compliment this experienced sailor can muster: "I'd cross an ocean with you." Best, Chris
Great video Dominic. It's just great to see how your skills have developed over the last couple of years or so. Off to see Mads and Ava with their spiffy winch now.....
Working in the boat yard has really helped turn me from total know nothing, to just about useful, all in a couple of short years 😁🙏🏻
Brilliant video guys. Just the right amount of technical. I have one complaint though - I had been saving up for a new chart plotter, and now that's been pushed firmly down the list. I now need this winch!
Glad I could be of service! 😉😂
Really interesting video and great promo for Selden, which I think they earned. When I first saw the price of the winch I thought jeepers but after watching the video I thought actually its a great bit of kit and I don't think you would regret the purchase. Lucky you and Mads but both your channels deserve it.
That was quite a developemet! I got two of the older versions with no electronic. And the oldest have served me for 15 years. Downside is lack of manual operation of the winch. In case of electric/electronic failure, you will be out of winch. My main use is to hoist my 60 kg main sail. To proper adjust/fine tune the tension, I also use the 'mechanical' handle.
Was l the only one watching Dom's initial reluctance, and realise he's thinking...... ' Looks as if Carly is going to be winching me up the mast from now'😱🤣
Another great video!
What no Hank?
Surely he must have overseen this installation & given his 🐾 approval
I must come and see you, to see how you are getting on with the winch nearly a year down the line 👍
Great video. I love this winch. I want one. I went down this rabbit hole last year. I am in phuket thailand and electric winch on the shelf at rolly tasker is 7,000 usd for a 45 lewmar. But at east marine here i found the e wincher 2 electric winch handle. For 2,600 usd. I bought it and i love it. Its made all 6 winches on the boat electric. It lifts the 150 kg inflatable into the davits w zero problems,furls the jib in 30 knots, and does it all day long on 1 charge. More like 5 days on a charge.
I use it every day for a year and its been awesome.
On a bigger boat above 60 feet i dont think e wincher will be as usefull.
Another excellent video. I installed the E40i last year and I agree it was easy. It is pricey if I’m honest but we love it regardless. My challenge is on our Bavaria has a moulded ceiling so we have to go wire fishing for every install in those locations (so we try not too. ;-). ). I’m interested that you guys and Mads feel it’s worthwhile with electric winches when you are still young. It was killing my back winching in that location - so a real help, plus I’m more willing to trim with the extra help. But regardless makes me happy to see also young people fitting such help (and I feel less old if only for a moment)
It would be wrong to say that we needed the winch, we are indeed still young and able, but it was offered to us for free, plus we have a lot of power of Cadoha now with our lithium bank and solar, so didn’t see the harm. I feel like it’s an improvement on what was there, certainly in terms of fitting anyway 🙏🙏⛵️😬
One of the first youtubers I've seen that's done mastic sealing correctly, well done. i.e. lightly tightening the screws until the mastic has had time to set and then tightening fully. I've seen too many times people applying mastic and then winding the screws up tight before the mastic has had chance to set squidging out out of the side and reducing the depth and effectiveness of the seal. Also use of Duralac gets a 👍Belt 'n' braces.
How long does it take to set sufficiently to do the final tightening?
Wow great idea all that in a self contained unit... but at £4.5K I think I'll stick with my manual no-nonsense Lewmar beauties! Great job with the install, man you've got skills!
I always put a grommet in any metal so that wires do not wear with the ship motion and create a short circuit. Where I have to run wires through metal tubes, I try to use the irrigation plastic pipe which is thin-walled, and push it through the pipes first. This happened in the bimini and solar panel racks.
Nice video, personally i would have removed the Treadmaster non slip from under the winch to get a better seal. Also always if you can apply fibreglass or epoxy onto a previous layer that has not completely cured, this way you get a far stronger chemical bond rather than a just mechanical bond. Personally I would put the box under the overhead much less noticable, also use several layers to make a 'plywood' rather than a box, but I'm sure it must be annoying when people critisise your work. We really enjoy your videos, so well done and keep it up.
great video. thanks!
I had a chuckle at the beginning. Carly called you about the Selden and in your words, "WE almost talked ourselves out of it." This would give the impression that you BOTH almost came up with that idea. I bet Carly was thinking, "What's this WE?" Good video. Much enjoyed.
Ha ha, yes, I should own that, I nearly talked them out of giving us a winch 🤣⛵️
Slow, fast, ludicrous mode PMSL, nice opening guys, love it 😂😂😂. another great Vlog.
Glad you think so. I'm right about the ludicrous mode though, right? 😂😂
@@CadohaAdventures Yes, Defo !!! 😂😂😂
Great video!
Came here from Mads channel. Great content. Now subscribed.
That’s epic, welcome aboard, Ben! ⛵️⛵️
💯 nicely done
Thanks 🙏
Wow another great video. I installed behind mast furling and lead all the lines to the cockpit. The space was quite limited and would have loved an electric winch but there was no space below to fit the motor assembly. This design would have been perfect 👍
Thanks!
Having only just recently discovered these 'super thanks' donations I want to firstly say sorry for the incredibly late reply and also thank you so much for your generosity. It's very humbling ☺️
Nice stuff🤟👍👌🏻
Well done the Cadohas. You sure have learnt a lot since Peterhead! Come and see Scotland again sometime, "Skolings"
Brian and Anne! How the devil are you two?! We will be coming back up, don't you worry. Hope we get to see you both again and exchange some adventure stories 😁🙏🏻⛵️
It amazes me how strong fibreglass actually is - scary how little structure was under the winch!
I know, when I think about how little ‘meat’ there was left under that winch, kind of made me glad that we’d never been in a big blow 🙏🙏⛵️
Simple install
Really, looks akin to installation a watermaker. Enjoy you’ve earned it 🤑
Oh that Richard Thoroughbred is a splendid fellow and a good man to know when you’re in a sticky spot.
I was fortunate to have had dealings with him when he was a young up and coming sailing athlete and I’m absolutely sure he will raise the bar at Selden.
Toddle pip.
He is indeed a very good egg. We owe him many a beer, that's for sure! 😁🙏🏻
@@CadohaAdventures Well brace yourself, he’s a fine figure of man and it takes more than a few scoops to reach the minimum level on such a specimen.
@@dodge2047 I resemble that comment :)
Hope the workers have hearing protection as that is one loud factory setup
Super Cool!!!
Glad you enjoyed it, Jbird 😁
Astonishing how small the cables are, just fitted an Harken Winch conversion where the cable requirement is 50 mm² from Battery to Winch Above 5m (really happy with result though)
Great asset to have aboard. Not sure if you could get a lead to it but would be useful winching a MOB back on the boat. Cadoha is looking very smart and well prepared. Andy UK
We're always trying to do our best to make her a little bit better with each opportunity we get. We don't always get it right and sometimes go back and change what we've done (case in point, the stay sail removal) but we're forever learning 😁🙏🏻⛵️
Great videos guys...thank you, you do a fantastic job of show casing the UK.
In this episode you said you use ARBOCOL to seal the through bolts.
Which variety of ARBOCOL are you using please?
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I would use lock/nuts on them bolts they have got plastic on one end of nut with a washer as well.
❤ Awesome … must have 🇨🇦
Nice joints on the box for the switches ....
Nice job but for those of us that have to shell out hard earned boat funds that winch @ over £4K (Force4’s price - others have it @ 2.6k) is a bit expensive for a small boat. And there is no mechanical backup for when you run out of power - if it has a 100amp breaker in the supply feed then it’s going to draw 50-60A, may be more on a real load, how long will that last on most boats House bank?
I'm another one wondering if a stainless steel backing plate would have been simpler to avoid any dissimilar metals? Maybe too hard to tap? But then I'd prefer a small cut out in the new grp so that I could use a nyloc nut.
Actually though, we prefer FR4 backing plates to further reduce any chances of ever getting any corrosion 😊
Anyway I should also say what a great job, great video and Selden we don't mind having a winch as well 😂
Couldn't agree more! Especially on the FR4
Yep - I have a similar concern about corrosion. Is Duralac proven to totally prevent galvanic corrosion in saltwater conditions?
You have come a long way on your skills.
I’ve been lucky enough to essentially be a boat yard apprentice for the past two winters now, and I guess some of the things I’ve learned are really starting to take hold. But the older I get, the more I realise just how much I don’t know. I have no doubt that every day will continue to be educational 😁🙏⛵️
Hi, Heaves you are going to fly up that mast and may be you could use it for a trawl net for fishing ? Great work and your doing well .
Always good to have options 🤣👍🏽
what a winch, you made it look easy
A combination of carful editing, and, well, it’s a very easy install, electrically speaking.
@@CadohaAdventures where are you based ? we're sailing your way this summer
Carly's crucial questions, all dealt with.
Well done, thx for bringing the info. Can it run both ways and do they have a remote control? I am adapting my boat for single/short handed sailing and I wonder if the electric engine is powerful enough to handle the jib sheets. (Currently Lewmar 53) A more powerful electric engine would require way bigger cables right?
Your CADOHA looks nothing like that boat you started off with. 😉👍🙂
We're just custodians of this amazing little ship, so we hope that we pass one something even better than we took over, when the time comes 😁🙏🏻🙏🏻
Butyl rubber... works a treat for bedding.
Great informational video and fun to watch. Thank you. One thing I noticed about this winch is it doesn't have a hole to insert a winch handle to manually operate it. What happens if there is a power failure? Racers (at least here in my neck of the woods) aren't allowed to use electric winches while racing.
Well spotted there. Well, I don't think there's much danger of us entering Cadoha into a race any time soon, but you're right, there is no way to manually operate it, so in that case you need to piggy back it off of a manual winch in such a circumstance.
@@CadohaAdventures that’s also why Seldén also recommend not replacing all winches with this type. We’ve piggy backed the other way round to give us power on the starboard side (E40i is on the port) and it is magic. That is such a powerful winch. By the way take care if winching someone up the mast. It is not recommended to use power winches for that because if it jams on, a foot getting caught in rigging or similar would be a nasty accident. With that in mind I’m sure careful use could be considered (just not recommended)
Yup, I noticed that as well. It means you can't replace a winch, this has to be in addition; if you have space :(
If you could manually operate it as well I would already be applying for the mortgage for 2!
In the past I would have used predrilled holes, epoxy & then sandwich it together with blind huckbolts & huckbolt puller.
Just a thought. Tear it up guys!
Love everything about this channel, but I'm color blind and hate all things electronic for obvious reasons! Much love you awesome knuckleheads
Well that’s fair enough. I noticed after watching the video back that I referred to a blue wire as green. I had to double check with Carly that it was just a slip of the tongue and I wasn’t also being colour blind 🙏🙏😬
We have a selden aluminium mast, the early bolt on infurlough one….but sadly struggling to get anyone up to Preston to service it 😢
Love you posts . But to me this just takes the enjoyment of sailing away . And puts more load on your battery’s which you have to find away of recharging. I live on my sailboat all year round going to different parts of the south coast. I don’t like going into marinas and having to charge my batteries. I do it but wind and solar. When you have a fridge and all the other things. That run of 12 v you have to be careful . Be good to bump into you guys sometime.
Is there a mechanical back up for the winch incase something in the electrical system fails?
Yes we’re putting a small manual winch on the port side of the coach roof in case of electrical failure.
I looked at this when I replaced all my winches recently. I sail single handed sometimes and if you hurt yourself, you still need to be able to grind winches. I decided against it because should you need a powered winch, an electric handle turns all your winches into powered for a fraction of the cost, and without the installation headache.
There is a movement afoot to start using yellow instead of black for the negative wire on boat battery systems. Just a heads up because it looks like you are using yellow for positive.
Nice job, like the glassed in ali plate, have you seen my new winch, she's a beauty.
Haven't seen her, no mate, you have a link?
@@CadohaAdventures I will have a quick look 👀
@@CadohaAdventures I’ve had to send you a picture mate, I have a couple of really short clips on here but nothing great yet
I have to say that the aluminium threads are a major weak point in your installation. You should turn the bolts upside down, add a large thick steel washer to bottom for better load spread and then add a washer and nut to the top. Or add a washer and nut to the bottom (but I guess you don't have room). It will probably be fine, but I would rather have these loads going into hard steel than soft ali.
Perhaps you should have countersunk the holes in the cabin top so the sealant would have a nice little spot to fill.
That’s not a bad shout you know, appreciate your feedback 👍🏽
@@CadohaAdventures Don’t thank me….I learned it from watching Mads.
Hey u two, u didn't show us u using the winch, what are u doing to ur subscribers hmmmm, ok next vlog better show it😁😎 Top stuff really enjoy ur vlogs, and I think u installed it with very good description, electric winches let' u keep sailing even in ur elderly yrs, there a bottler as u poms say🤣🇦🇺⛵🎣
I don't think I've ever seen anyone use a tap in a drill before! But I suppose it worked so...
It did indeed, although when I watched the video back I could help but cringe a little at my entry angle 😳😳😳
@@CadohaAdventures as long as Carly is satisfied with the result ..... 😂
I have some drill bits that have tapping threads at the top. You can drill and tap in one go.
Why did you wait for the sealant to cure before torquing the bolts? @sailingcadoha
My though process there was that I create a thicker ‘gasket’ rather than squeeze all the sealant out by doing it up right as a liquid.
Love the idea.
The PSU will no doubt be a DC-DC converter which steps the 12v up to I'm assuming 48v
Seeing as there are 3 wires from the winch to the control unit that suggests that it's a brushless motor which will mean it's much more efficient, more accurate control than a brushed DC motor.
Very cool but my god that price tag.... Ouch!
£4500
That's about 50% of my boats value lol
The entire system set up certainly isn't cheap, no argument there, but I'm sure for some people, it's the kind of thing that makes the difference between being able to continue sailing and keeping hold of their boats much longer than perhaps they otherwise could?
For us, it's a super luxury item that there's no way we'd have been able to splash out for, so again, we feel very fortunate that Richard is such a fan of the vlog and I certainly hope the video gets the E40i in front of a few more people who perhaps never knew about it, that maybe it does work for? 🙏🏻😁⛵️
@@CadohaAdventures no doubt just wish so much of this cool tech was more affordable. Price for all the tech seems to start at 1k and go up from there, chart plotters, autohelms, ais, wind instruments, log, battery management, even basic self tailing winches.
And yes I'm a bit annoyed because I simply can't afford to keep my boat :(
@@DorsetSaferRoads You either pay someone else through the nose or you DIY - for all the electronics, take a look at OpenCPN (includes plotter, planning, weather, autopilot etc etc) , for AIS transponder take a look at Maiana (which interfaces to OpenCPN) & for battery management (I presume you are talking lithium) look at DIYBMS
It is amazing what is around if you are prepared to put in a bit of work to learn how it all goes together
I looked at getting an electric conversion for my Harken Classic winches... This looks cheap by comparison!
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Good work Dom... Now then... What did you do with the old winch? 😉
That has already been installed to be used in conjunction with our new furling stay sail set up 😁
Wonderful job at recycling!
Athena sent me.
Ah amazing, miss those guys! ⛵️☺️
Through bolted with a shanked bolt, fender washer, nyloc nut, and capped with a domed nut. Correct way !!!!
The issue with that is that we wouldn’t be able to fit the headliner back up. I imagine this is why whoever fit the last winch did what they did, but I’m hoping this installation is a huge improvement on what was there previously 🙏⛵️
@@CadohaAdventures You have a shear point now where the the threaded bolt enters the plate, whereas a shanked bolt would not, the domed nut is for appearance only. I liked you'r attention to detail. Missed seeing the other two members of the crew.
Very interesting video and with no disrespect to Sail Life cannel I think Dom's guidance is all you're likely to need given that SELDON have gone to such lengths to give such clear instructions and colour coding. One thing does leave a question in my ming though, notwithstanding Brian Ford's comment, why leave the "Treadmaster Non Slip" under the winch at all as it would seal much better on a smooth GRP surface - In fact why have Treadmaster Non Slip under the spray hood where no-one will be walking anyway?
so the critical infrastructure ticking timebomb was the penny washers?
I think 80% of the deck core being drilled out, and half of the fibre glass being cut out too was more the potential accident waiting to happen 😳😳🥺
@@CadohaAdventures thanks for explaining
I guess if you were in a big blow and sheeting the main in through a stopper then the penny washers would have started to pull through and you’d have noticed the winch move at an angle ?
Why , it's more power you require , it's only to pull up 1 sail, your a big lad .
I'm in my 60s and can manage that size of boat . It's no 90ft ?
It would be wrong to suggest that we ‘need it’, although I imagine if I was in my 60’s, perhaps I personally would, who knows, but it’s clearly more of a luxury item, which was given to us for free, and the one thing Cadoha does now have quite a lot of, is power, so no harm done 😬🙏⛵️
Interesting. I was excited until I looked at the Selden E40i and realized it was hard to justify the much great (160%) cost. That is, the Defender costs compared to a Lewmar 40EST at $2800 vs the Selden E40i $2800 + PSU $740 + ContPack $800 = $4,340. Ouch! I want an electric halyard winch for my cabin top, and it would be nice not to have the motor seen from below, it not that much space nor critical. That said, if it the cost was closer to $2800 + PSU/CP $800, then I would be tempted. Sorry, I'm just try to be honest.
I'm wondering why not epoxy the holes and use a stainless plate underneath so no issue of dissimilar metals?
Unless I missed it, you do not discuss WHY an electric winch in that location is an improvement. It appears that your starb'd coachroof winch serves just one line - is that your main sheet? Mainsheet loads should not be a significant challenge on a 38' sloop. And what about redundancy, when the the electrical winch operation (multiple points of failure) lets you down during critical conditions, when the loads will be highest.
Life saving? Where does it connect to the heart defibrillator? ( only joking) but still not any use for me when as a single handed sailor at the top of the mast I have no remote!!
I didn't even ask about a remote, come to think of it 😬⛵️😂
@@CadohaAdventures Pass it on to Seldon they might want to think about it. In my case I use climbing gear which always leaves me 18 inches +or- below where I want to be as the gear takes up that much room. It might be too limited a market for them but there are a lot of singlehanded sailors out there. Keep up the GREAT vids.
@@johnfoster3286 no good for a single handed mast pull up as its only one way....
If I pay shipping may I have your old winches please I’m in Australia
The only downside to using electric winches is battery drain.but who wants to winch on a drum all day long? Wear you out.
Puts a big check mark on my free electric winches too! 😂⚔️🏴☠️🧐
You probably did not need that massive aluminum plate, the way it’s in bedded in the structure does not really add much strength as it is just basically an extension of the winch and only as good as how it’s attached to the boat, that has not changed very much (3 layers). I would just have filled out that void with epoxy and fibers and be done with it.
Carbon in a freezer? Is this starwars?
Great video but I can't understand why the switches have such a deep profile. It would have been possible to design a system using surface mounted switches with no below surface profile. Can't understand how companies make a great product but continually stop Short of making it exceptional.
Did you and Mads plan this Selden doubleheader today? If so, well done! One might ask why does the Selden E40i have multiple sides in lieu of a round part that has contact with the boat lines? My guess is that as the line contacts the E40i there is actually more surface area in contact with the line, not to mention the corners of the multiple plates have greater holding power without causing chafe. Yeah, picture a plan view (looking down from the top) of a dodecahedron versus a circle. One other observation, when shining a flashlight (torch) on the mirror-like body of the E40i at night, then powering it to rotate, you have the making of a disco chandelier that could serve your party quite nicely. Hmmm... :¬) Webhead USA
No, I was actually meant to have my video out weeks ago, but the install kept calling for things that I didn’t have, then I was working away a lot, after that I edited all of our footage and realised I had bits missing and had to re-shoot some shots for the story, and eventually it took getting Covid to sit and finish it.
So it’s just by pure chance that Mads is super efficient and works well in real time and I was a bit slow that led to the happy accident of similarly timed release dates for the winch.
The principle of vertical ridges rather than a round winch drum is fundamental to Andersen Winches. I believe that rather than friction between the line and the drum, the friction is internal to the braid where the line bends over each ridge.
Note to self 'reminder, wear gloves, especially when handling Duralac.
Which tells you, always listen (with humility) to your wife. They've got a certain sense about things, something men just don't quite "get."