QUESTIONS TO ASK MORMONS • I've read where Joseph Smith said that he translated the golden plates (from which he got the Book of Mormon) letter-by-letter, "by the power of God" and that it was "the most correct of any book on earth." If that's true why has the Mormon Church had to make more than 4,000 changes to the Book of Mormon that was originally published in 1830? • Can you show me archeological or historical proofs from non-Mormon sources that would prove that the peoples and places named in the Book of Mormon actually existed? • Why does LDS Church artwork misleadingly depict Joseph Smith translating the Book of Mormon by directly examining the gold plates? The eyewitnesses reported that the plates were always covered or hidden away when Joseph dictated the Book of Mormon, and that he did so while looking at his seer stone in his hat-the same stone he had used to search for buried treasure. [Question by Robert M. Bowman Jr. at IRR] • Why do the Bible verses quoted in the Book of Mormon contain the italicized words from the King James Version that were added into the KJV text by the translators in the 16th and 17th centuries? Here's an example: 3 Nephi 24:10 says: "...that there shall not be room enough to receive it..." This is an exact quote from Malachi 3:10 from the King James Version. What's amazing is that seven of these words were not part of the original text. They were added by the KJV translators for clarity. How did those words end up in the Book of Mormon that was supposedly written over a thousand years before the King James Version of the Bible? • Isaiah 43:10 says, "Before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me." In Isaiah 44:6, God says, "There is no God besides Me." In light of what is said here, how can worthy Mormon males become Gods in the afterlife when God already said that before him no God was formed, nor will there be any Gods formed after Him? • Why do Mormons say that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers when both the first chapter of John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:16 teach that Jesus is the creator of all things, including Lucifer? • I read where Brigham Young, the second president of the LDS Church, taught that both the moon and the sun were inhabited by people (Journal of Discourses, 1870, v.13, p.271). Has the Mormon Church ever found scientific evidence of that to be true? • I read in Doctrine and Covenants 84:1-5 where Joseph Smith prophesied that the New Jerusalem and a temple would be built in Zion, Missouri in his generation. Does the Mormon Church still teach that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God after he made a false prophecy? • I read where Brigham Young taught that Adam is "our Father and our God" (Journal of Discourses, Apr. 9, 1852, vol.1, p.50). How can that be true when both the Bible and the Book of Mormon (Mormon 9:12) say that Adam was a creation of God? • If Brigham Young was a true prophet, why would one of your later prophets overturn his declaration which stated that the black man could never hold the priesthood in the LDS Church until after the resurrection of all other races (Journal of Discourses, Dec. 12, 1854, 2:142-143)? • Read Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Since the Bible's test to determine whether someone is a true prophet of God is 100% accuracy in all his prophecies has the LDS Church ever reconsidered its teaching that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were true prophets? • In the last couple of years, Mormon scholars, and scientists have discovered powerful DNA evidence that has proven that the American Indians are not descendants of the Jewish race (as the Book of Mormon claims in its introduction), but the Asian race. How does your church respond to this scientific evidence? • Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1)? • How could Joseph Smith claim to have translated the Book of Abraham from ancient Egyptian papyri, when those papyri-rediscovered in the 1960s and translated since by both LDS and non-LDS scholars-were pagan Egyptian funeral documents and had nothing to do with Abraham? [Question by Robert M. Bowman Jr. at IRR] • Why did Joseph Smith condone polygamy as an ordinance from God (Doctrine and Covenants 132 [see v. 38-39]) when the Book of Mormon had already condemned the practice in the book Jacob 1:15 and 2:24? • What possible justification can there be for Joseph Smith's plural marriages to over thirty women, including at least eight women who were still legally married to other, living men? [Question by Robert M. Bowman Jr. at IRR]
Tony Marinelli I hope no Mormons take your stupid questions seriously. I'm not Mormon, but I'll answer your first question for free: Spelling and punctuation. If you had done your own research instead of stealing someone else's questions, you'd know that the 4000 changes are spelling and punctuation and verses. The first edition was basically one long paragraph until someone took a look and decided to split the book into chapters and verses. Dude. I'm not even a member and I know all your questions are pretty lame bullshit.
LOL. If you say so. My standards are a little bit higher. If you really want to stump Mormons, all you need to do is research how much nepotism there is in the church. There, I just did all your work for you and I'm an athiest.
Glenn, when I was growing up in the church (I'm 55 now), I was disturbed by the early church history of polygamy. I was told the same story you are telling now, that because so many Mormon men were killed for their beliefs, that there were numerous widows and fatherless children left behind who needed men to "take care of them". Being a good Mormon girl who wanted to be able to understand and accept this repugnant practice, I bought the story. I was a teenager who looked to my elders for guidance. You are a grown man, and you should be embarrassed to be defending the practice of polygamy in the early church. The information is out there now, whereas for the first 150+ years it was hidden away in church archives. It can't be hidden anymore (one good thing about the information age), so the only way the church members can avoid the ugly truth is to bury their heads in the sand. The ugly truth is that Joseph Smith married at least 33 women, many of whom had living, supporting, husbands!! There was no financial support offered to the women of whom JS was their only husband, either. You made the cute, smarmy remark that you have trouble with your one wife....how many men can support multiple wives and households? The early Mormon men couldn't either. The fundamentalist groups have it figured out....welfare. The ugly truth is that the fundamentalists more closely resemble the early church than the mainstream church of today does. Please take your head out of the sand and do some real research. You are not fooling anyone by repeating the church's sanitized version of it's history.
Ann Long and lindalds I've investigated the church and it makes LESS sense the more you study! I talked to a bishop that said he HAS to leave LOGIC out when he is dealing with matters with faith--this is the same impression ive been given by SEVERAL Mormons! The Church says only pray to Heavenly Father, despite the fact prayers to Jesus are found in ALMA 38:8, 3 NEPHI 19:18, D&C 109:42, and Jesus is ORDERED to be BOWED and WORSHIPED in 2 Nephi 25:29. Mormons do NOT pray to Jesus, the extent of their Jesus worship is "following his example" and "being in awe and reverence of him," Apostle Bruce McConkie said Mormons DO NOT WORSHIP JESUS. Also, the Mormon God is NOT OMNIPRESENT and CANNOT BE, thats NO A GOD at all, He is not all powerful! ironically, only the "light of Christ" is omnipresent--and its not even a person! The LDS doctrine about Jesus being God makes no sense at all, since Jesus was God before he had a physical body or "married." The LDS Holy Ghost no one has a clue who He is or where He is from, one person told me He might be Heavenly Father's brother or come from another god all together. Then you have apostles and prophet calling black people N*ggers in General Conference and declaring insane doctrines like Adam is Heavenly Father (Brigham Young taught this for 20 YEARS) and he was Prophet longer than ANYONE after him! God did not take Brigham out for misleading the church! Missionaries told me they do not have answers, but I will get answers after im baptized and confirmed. Now if the missionaries are baptized and confirmed, why don't they have the answers then? Many religions thru out the world try to reconcile faith and reason--the Mormons substitution REASON with FEELINGS. Mormons faith is ALL FEELINGS, being HAPPY. It makes NO SENSE. So much of Mormonism is just parroting, repeating what you are told to think and feel. So many Mormons lie about how they feel, or just lie in general without realizing it. I can't tell you how many times Mormons told me "I promise" and were the "promise" never happened. Feelings cannot produce REAL results.
lindalds "Jesus said to pray to the Father. Jesus never said to pray to Him. " me: So were the people in the Acts 7:59, all the verses in the BoM and D&C wrong to pray to Jesus then? Many Bibles btw in John 14:13-14 has Jesus telling to ask JESUS in His name. Joseph Smith prayed to Jesus in D&C 109, so why does the LDS discourage praying to Jesus? you:And preaching His gospel, and following His commandments. me: The BoM says to BOW DOWN to Him and worship with all your being! Its the same language used for worshiping Heavenly Father! So why is Jesus given second class status? you:[about omnipresence and omnipotence of God]I don't know where you got that. I know I've never heard that before. me: I found this out from talking to missionaries, sunday school teachers and a Institute teacher. For example Gospel Principles says about the Holy Ghost: "He can be in only ONE PLACE AT A TIME, but His influence can be everywhere at the same time" (Chapter 7 pg 32). Also, D&C 130:9 says the Father and Son cannot be in a believers heart: John 14:23-The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the FATHER and the SON DWELL in a man’s HEART is an old sectarian notion, and is FALSE.--D&C 130:9 Also, I should mention The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.--DC 130:22 The D&C misquotes Joseph and makes him say the OPPOSITE of what he said which was: “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s. The Son also, but the Holy Ghost is a personage and a person cannot have the personage of the H[oly] G[host] in his heart.” see here www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1843/2Apr43.html Then again, the church and even Joseph REWROTE D&C so much its unbelievable, they say the bible is corrupt, but if the general authority can change scripture, how is it scripture? you:Jesus is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. me: And the OT calls Jehovah "Elohim"--which is supposed to the the Father! Also, Jesus did not have a physical body yet in the Old Testament, His Father did, but Jesus was able to become God without going thru the marriage and physical body process that everyone else would have to! At the Institute the teacher said it was because Jesus was a pure spirit (though technically we would ALL be since we were all supposedly born of the same union of "celestial" parents). The ordinary progression is spirit>body>sealed marriage>godhood, but Jesus went spirit>godhood>body>marriage (if you believe the old general authority) you:So, one person is confused, so ALL Mormons are confused. Can I use that with you, what one (non-LDS) Christian thinks, ALL of them think? me: Actually, I am not aware of any Mormon teaching on this matter. The person I asked was an Institute teacher. He said the origin of the Holy Ghost is speculation. This is pretty consistent with others too. If the Holy Ghost is of the Father, then He is not the First born spirit son, since Jesus is supposed to be. How is the HG a god, if He NEVER got a physical body or presumably is not married yet? BTW past presidencies said the Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost are two SEPARATE things. In the old days Holy Spirit was just another way of saying "light of Christ." If we go even further back, Lectures of Faith in the Old D&C seems to say the Holy Ghost is not a person, but the mind of the Father and Son, though still a trinity somehow.
That's the most backwards statement I've ever heard. Perhaps that's true of you only listen to what the church say, and ignore anything that contradicts it, and especially if you don't research the church documents that they never tell people about and don't want you know the truth, let alone all the non-church documents about smiths life, the founding of Mormonism, the fact that even the people listed in the beginning of the book of Mormon as having sworn seeing the plates with their own eyes later admitted that they only saw them with their 'spiritual eyes(i.e. they didn't actually see them at all), etc., etc., etc. Mormonism is literally the most easily disprovable religion ever. More so than even Scientology, or ancient "religions" like the Greek and Roman pantheons.
Wow. Only got 3 mins in and I can see where this is heading. A start of the worst apologetics ever. The LDS church needs to be honest with its history.
@@viajero1004 that's assuming Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Which we can prove he isn't, since he failed the test for being a prophet put forth in the bible(i.e., he made prophecies that were false/failed to come true.) Not to mention everything we know about Joseph Smith and his history of being a sort of mystical con man(including using seer stones to find gold and treasure, which he was even arrested for), the fact that he didn't even use the golden plates to translate the book of Mormon at all, that he couldn't accurately reproduce a new translation when the originals were hidden at the recommendation of what's-his-name's wife, the kinder hook plates, the book of Abraham, etc. etc. etc. Mormonism is literally the most easily disposable religion there is(even more so than Scientology.)
As a Christian. I love the fact that Glen Beck is an honest man! He tells the truth. He speaks with, pure truthful genuine and again honest content about His Faith, which is also MY faith.Glen you are the man. You have stated true facts about the Church with a Conviction that comes from your Faith and your knowledge of The Truth of The Book of Mormon, the truth about the Early Saints, and the truth about OUR practices that are endorsed- when followed as He has revealed them- are endorsed by Almighty God himself. Thank you for your Patriotism Glen. more horrible division are caused by politics in this Country than you my friend. Thanks Glen. I hope to meet you someday. Thank you for being a Patriotic, God Fearing, and honest media figure!! Keep up the GOOD WORK GLEN!!!
Thanks for that. It's hard to find answers like this from someone who isn't trying desperately to convert you. And this guy delivers answers in an entertaining way that doesn't distract you from the main point. Excellent.
Smith married his second wife (Fanny Alger) in 1833 several years before executive order 44 was made in 1838. Sorry Glenn but your excuse fails. “Once they came to Utah polygamy stopped”. Just false. Polygamy kept on until Utah Statehood became a factor.
Make me wonder. How can I know the true church if is always changing its core beliefs? One day its polygamy, now its not. And tomorrow it is. With every new prophet comes a new salvation. That's not the Bible that I read. God does not change.
To be fair, Mormonism is hardly the only religion that periodically "re-interprets" their doctrine in order to fit the moral standards of the day. For instance, bans on interracial marriage were at one time vehemently defended using biblical doctrine.
John nhoJ that's a really odd example given that the LDS denied the priesthood to blacks until 1976 when 'prophet' Kimble mysterious had a revelation. and this is the point. other religions don't claim to have a prophet, one who has a direct line to God. other religions know that they are learning new things. the LDS should know better. they should have been the leaders in the civil-rights movement, not Baptists like Martin Luther King.
19:40-19:45 Mormons just believe things you think are weird. Your right Glenn. Such as you will be a god one day, inherit your own planet and propagate little spiritual children to populate. Where did i hear that before? Gen. 3:5? Isa. 43:10 "Before me no god was formed nor shall there be any after me" Checkmate! Isa. 45:9 "Woe to him who strives with HIM who formed him, a pot among earthen pots" Heed those words Mr. Beck! Although i respect the work you do in exposing the progressive movement, it's far more dangerous when you mislead people and damn their very soul! REPENT!!!
+clifford fuelwood dear checkmate....what do you think it means in Romans when we are promised that we can be joint heirs with Christ? There are many Christian churches and early Christian theologians who taught the deification of men. Just because you aren't aware of that part of Christian theology, doesn't mean it isn't true. You should study it, and become more aware. Light and knowledge can be yours, and mine, if we realize all that we don't know. `It is neither strange nor heresy for the children of God to want to be like God. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in Heaven, is perfect." Matt. 5:48 Read more of this doctrine in Romans :814-17 or 2nd Corinthians 3:17-18. And about men be "partakers of the Divine nature" in 2nd Peter 1:2-4 or 1 John 3:1-2 John 10:34 they are gods, even the sons of God. 1 John 3:1-2 "when we see Him, we shall be like Him" Children of Kings and Queens grow up to be Kings and Queens. Father's and Mother's rejoice in the progression of their children. It's really not that hard of a concept. The doctrine of deification has been around for a long time. It will take more than sarcasm and disagreeable men to dismiss it.
+Mark Goodair I heard something about wars occuring at that time when polygamy was common and since there was no wars there was no need for that. It was illegal in some states even when the church said it was ok.
+halfhumanhalfzombie You do realize that States (not the states of america, just individual states) had declared war/extermination orders on Mormons right? That's not even talking about how the pastors of other religions organized religous mobs to attack drive out and burn down Mormons and their homes. Armed mobs would often come into Mormon settlements at night and drive everyone out of their houses and then taking everything they owned as property of the mob. Then they would force the Mormons to leave or be killed, so the Mormons would be forced to pay the mob in order to regain some things they owned in order to be able survive leaving. Not things of personal value, rather things like food, shoes, and other traveling necessities. Sometimes the Mob wouldn't be so gracious and just drive the Mormons out in their night clothes, that where the Mormons would leave bloody footprints because of the snow freezing their feet. There was most certainly a war going on, just not one declared by the federal government.
+Mark Goodair Utah was already apart of the union as the Deseret territory, because of that when the United States passed the law against polygamy the Utah area was put under that effect too. The reason why we did stop is two-fold one the persecution lightened up so it was not needed anymore. Second is our beliefs in keeping the laws of where ever we live, except if the law is to break the commandments of God. This is summed up in the 12 Article of Faith. (The 13 Articles of Faith are a brief summary of Mormon Beliefs) "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."
+halfhumanhalfzombie So there were wars going on for Mormons. Afterwords it was no longer needed, also our beliefs is that we will obey the laws of the land we live as long as it is not forcing us to break the commandments of God, So when the U.S. passed the law outlawing Polygamy because of our beliefs we followed it. There are some groups of people who believe in the Book of Mormon in mexico and Canada that still do practice polygamy but they are break offs that don't follow the prophets and subsequently are not Mormon.
You are seduced Sir! Timothy 4:1( King James Version) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Also on top of what the person above me said I think people need to understand that nowadays the Mormons have no longer practice polygamy only the fundamentalist sects which are not connected to Mormonism or the respectful way of calling the Mormon church the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in any way shape or form sounds like a lot of people still need to do their homework
Mormons ,as a group, are a great people, who live to a higher moral standard than most. Mormons are people too, and people sin. We all fall short of the glory of God. God made a way for us to come to the Father, through Christ Jesus. I pray that all Mormons find salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, just like I pray for others to find their way to heaven. God Bless.
I pray that Mormonism will whither and fold the same as Christianity,Islam, and every other Supernatural based faith. For a Christian to pray for a Mormon to find salvation through Jesus Christ is like telling a child that McDonalds hamburgers are preferred over Burger king because the french fries are cooked in vegetable oil.. Magic Underwear? That must be an in joke that somehow stuck..
We do. Before you can be baptized into our church, the VERY FIRST THING you have to do is, have faith in, and accept as your Lord and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
lindalds What does it mean to accept Jesus as our Savior? Many will stand before Him, and hear depart from me; I never knew you. As my faith in God grows, I can't help but recognize that many will be cast into outer darkness. We must stay in a state of prayer and repentance, but confident in the finish work that Jesus accomplished at the cross. Peace.
SuperCal It's more than just "confident in the finish work that Jesus accomplished at the cross." Those that the Lord will say "I never knew you" are those who do what they do in the name of Christ, but without His blessings. It's not up to you to decide who that is.
lindalds We should do our best to help restore those who are in sin back to a right standing with gentleness and love. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Book of Mormon The Book of Mormon, though it mentions a lot of historical things, lacks the archeological evidence to back it up. None of the cities or people mentioned specifically in regard to the Book of Mormon have been discovered. Lee Strobel says “Archaeology has repeatedly failed to substantiate its claims about events that supposedly occurred long ago in the Americas. I remember writing to the Smithsonian Institute to inquire about whether there was any evidence supporting the claims of Mormonism, only to be told in unequivocal terms that its archaeologists see ‘no direct connection between the archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.’
Mr. Beck is gonna have to do an update to this video because that’s actually not the reason why they practiced polygamy in the early days of the church
im really glad I watched this. I do not agree with everything that Mormons believe but I respect it a lot more now. The end of this video was really beautiful. Praise the Lord. So many diverse denominations but Jesus is still the focus! We must Love, trust and follow God and love others- these are the fundementals. 😁
Moses and Isaac were not polygamists as Beck says. 2:55 They are two of the central figures in the first two books of the Bible about which Beck purports to know so much. Beck's own testimony regarding his conversion to the Mormon church has to do with feelings and friendship. He chose his faith the way Democrats vote - feelings!
I think it is wonderful that there are people in this world who have managed to find happiness and joy. I know I have. We all believe in something or someone, and the Latter-Day Saints that I know and associate with (both men and women) all seem very kind, and extremely happy with their lives!
Only reason Mormons dropped polygamy? They were told if they didn't they would not be allowed to join the union. So they quickly pulled a fast one and said, "Our Head Honcho had a "vision that we should drop it." That was handy. Case closed.
Mormonism is not Christianity or even biblical. Mormonism its inconpatible with the christian Bible. I pray Glen will see this and reject his other testament and its teachings. You dont have to be a theologian to point the incompatibility of teachings of Mormonism and the Christian Bible. People will die for their beliefs as Glen point it out. Not the only religion that has done that, certainly it does not gives any validity to the book of Mormon. You can be a great person, love your country , honor family and have great values. such as Glen Beck, my respects to him!!! Chrisrianty is found in the Only Word of God. The Bible and the Bible alone. Apostle Paul warned us about that. Galatians 1:8-9. There are not more revelations of Jesus other that what was written in the Christian Bible. Btw, people in heaven will not be married Matthew 22:30. Please, please please read your bibles and reject the book of Mormon. Blessings
Do Mormons really expect us to believe that the Jewish Lich King Jesus who could raise undead followers, cast healing spells, speak with demons, and conjure fish and wine from the Netherworld, could possibly have made his way over to North America? Ridiculous.
My wife’s side of her family lost lots of property from these looters in 1844 and forced to march in the snow to Utah Territory. Many died. Reparations? (Crickets)
@@jamesbayless5842 The mobs were the culprits. Then, Governor Ford of Illinois did little to help. Latter Day Saints needed to prepare to abandon the city. The winter of 1845-46 saw the enormous preparations for the Mormon Exodus via the Mormon Trail. In early 1846, the majority of the Latter Day Saints left the city. On September 10, 1846, a mob of about 1,000 anti-Mormons besieged Nauvoo. It was brutal. Miraculously , only 3 of the fewer than 150 Mormon defenders were killed, and skirmishing left wounded on both sides. About a week later, on September 16, Daniel H. Wells and the Mormon leadership of Nauvoo surrendered to the mob and arranged for their people's evacuation from the town and expulsion across the Mississippi River into the then Iowa Territory. The Winter was cold and devastating, leaving many more people, especially women and children, to die from exposure and starvation. It is a chapter in American history that is criminally ignored.
What most of you probably don't know is that there are SO many missionaries that come home. My brother went on his, and he knew three guys that left of their own will. If you wan't to leave, you can just leave. Your not kept there. And there are so many that do such stupid things on their missions. Remember, these are 18-19 year old kids. They're out there, and many of them will do really bad things. And other's will do what they said they'd do. So it's not so brainwashy as a lot of you think.
Tim Spangler You must not be familiar with brainwashing in the manner you mean. To do that kind of cult brainwashing, you need to isolate the individual, away from others, even other possible brainwashies (for lack of better word). You have to make sure the only belief that is going into them is yours. They can't have other's telling them different spins that may possibly contradict the other. We send these boys out to multiple places in the world, where they see all kinds of religions and ways of life. Their flooded by the culture. Let me tell you about my life. I would wake up, read scriptures, than go and do school, and than watch youtube way to much during the day, go to work, come home, say a prayer, and go to bed. When I was like 8 or nine, I didn't even read scriptures, and I'd play video games or watch tv all day. That's how it's been. That is my life in a nut shell. Does this sound like I have been brainwashed?
DJ7223 I am not trying to be disrespectful. Far from it. But it still comes down to content, and the viability of it. JWs distribute their message with (somewhat) integrity. It's all about the message.
DJ7223 Where did you get that out of what I wrote? Not only do I say that LDS missionaries are great kids, I like a lot of LDS, who are as moral as they come. But that is the problem. They think that they are moral enough. It will NEVER happen. Grace is UNdeserved, and you or I can NEVER deserve what is UNdeserved.
Mormons practice polygamy because Joseph Smith practiced polygamy...Glenn Beck says "polygamists are not mormons" then doesn't that make Joseph Smith NOT a mormon? He does a great job a sidestepping the actual truth
This is straight from the LDS website (www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng) "After receiving a revelation commanding him to practice plural marriage, Joseph Smith married multiple wives and introduced the practice to close associates. This principle was among the most challenging aspects of the Restoration-for Joseph personally and for other Church members"...."Although the Lord commanded the adoption-and later the cessation-of plural marriage in the latter days, He did not give exact instructions on how to obey the commandment. Significant social and cultural changes often include misunderstandings and difficulties. Church leaders and members experienced these challenges as they heeded the command to practice plural marriage and again later as they worked to discontinue it after Church President Wilford Woodruff issued an inspired statement known as the Manifesto in 1890, which led to the end of plural marriage in the Church." Does this not sound a little fishy to anyone? And this is straight from the official LDS website!!!
Glenn Beck is either LYING or is IGNORANT of Mormon history. In the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, section 132 deals with POLYGAMY ~~~ and is STILL IN FORCE TODAY (at June 2018). "Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant and the principle of plural marriage. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, evidence indicates that some of the principles involved in this revelation were known by the Prophet as early as 1831. See Official Declaration 1. 1-6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7-14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15-20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21-25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26-27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28-39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40-47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48-50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51-57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58-66, Laws governing plural marriage are set forth.". Joseph Smith states: "For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.". Section 132 is still in force, not only teaching polygamy, but ordering it! Note that it is an "everlasting covenant", i.e. it lasts forever, cannot be cancelled. You can read Section 132 here: www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng Brigham Young: "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 266). He also stated: "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 269). How, then, can the Mormon church say that it does NOT approve of polygamy today? /
realy all lies first joe smith had 36 wives 11n the 1840s first lie second lie brignam young died long before spanish american war The book of morman is all lies dna has proven the people in the book of morman are not related
After the first full blown lie about polygamy, I decided that it's pointless to continue listening to this video. Polygamy wasn't practiced for any of the reasons he portrayed. After this was aired, the church finally admitted that Joseph Smith married at least 34 wives or more, after denying it and excommunicating members who exposed it for the past 175 years. Half of his wives were already married to other men who Joseph had sent on missions. Several were sister pairs, several were mother and daughter pairs. And a few were as young as 14. And yes, Joseph did have sex with these women. This is a big deal because Joseph denied this practice. In fact, it is one of the key parts of his life that sent him to the jail he was murdered in. He was arrested for ordering the destruction of the printing press called the Navoo Expositor, who's first issue exposed his polygamy practices. Joseph, as the self appointed mayor, declared it a public nuisance. Good to know that the still new US government at the time took the infringement of the 1st amendment seriously. The church still very much believes in polygamy and that it will be practiced in the celestial kingdom or when worthy Mormons get their own planets. Read the CES letter, which compiles most of the blatant and obvious lies regarding the foundation of the Mormon church. No investigator in their right mind would join the LDS church after knowing all of the lies and hypocracies that spew from the church and its leaders. I consider getting out of the Mormon/LDS church - one of the best things I've ever been able to accomplish in my life.
Glen, I am glad you share this with the world. So many people don't understand the struggles that the saints went thru and the loses they had. Thank You for sharing the truth.
How can Christians possibly accuse Mormons of polygamy? Such hypocrisy. Every man of god in the Bible was a polygamist: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon.
+Brainbuster this guy only sees what he wants too. no use trying to help him understand and learn. he reverts to name calling and disrespectful comments like most of the others. have fun. im done here.
I don’t think the church practiced polygamy for this short time due to men dying. I believe it was instruction from the Lord, as part of the restoration of all things, in preparation for the Second Coming of the Lord.
My grandma loves this guy and told me about him. Everyone else I spoke to had nothing good to say about him. Turns out my old forgetful grandma's smarter than everyone else I spoke to. This guy is -so- frank and honest that it's hilarious! And yet every bit of it is true!
Mr. Beck, is the idea here that LDS are devout? Muslims are devout as well. They pray 5 times daily. Does their devotion equal truth? Do Moonies have a deeper understanding? They devote more time and energy than Mormons. John 1 is pretty clear that all things were created through Jesus. How then is Lucifer his brother? Better yet Mormons, be honest and lead with this: explain how your main theological tenet is that God the Father had a body created by his god, through exaltation then became a god, had polygamist spirit wives, and he engaged in an incestuous creation of Jesus with his own daughter Mary. I have been called a blasphèmer for calling out Joseph's Myth. How about you? Are you willing to go on record stating that you are the brother of Jesus and not his creation? Read John chapter 1 before you get too angry with my comments or commit yourself to such a dogma.
Brock Ewell I agree 100 percent! Dieing for your beliefs doesn't make it true! Did Nazis dieing in WWII make them right? Do Muslums, killing and dieing for their beliefs, make them right??? While it may show commitment, it doesn't show godliness!
The whole dressing up like the 1800's thing is a red herring. I'm a Mormon. The truth is that the church did practice polygamy and it believed it to be required for the highest degree of salvation. The church still does practice polygamy, in the fact that we have eternal marriages and that one man can be married to more than one woman, as long as only one is alive. And women can't be married to more than one man. And polygamy was part of the reason why there was persecution.
Have you ever heard of Fannie Algers? She’s the reason the commandment of polygamy started in your church. Joseph Smith got caught by his wife and had the “revelation” of polygamy. You’re such an intelligent person it amazes me how you can fall for this!!
Shirley Sirman I'm just saying that if you look up "Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo" the LDS.org, the Latter Day Saints' website itself tells that an angel told Joseph Smith to take multiple wives.
they can send emails and updates to their families, but yes this is correct, the point of a mission was to completely devote one's life to the Lord for 2 years and to spread his love to everyone, I will be serving a mission myself in the next four months, and i know that this will be hard, however how can i feel unjustified with giving up only two years of my life when God has devoted his entire life for me? Plus i feel very blessed because in Jesus's day many missionaries left 4 much longer
If you gave me a gift, what would you think if I brought out my wallet to pay for it? You would be insulted, would you not? EVERY gift EVER given was paid for by the GIVER, and NOT the recipient. How do you think God feels when you refuse to accept that gift as it is? How do you think he feels when you try to pay for it? Recieve the "free gift" of salvation. Receive Jesus.
This is a great snapshot of how a 'Cult' member justifies being in a cult. He pretends that his cult was, and is actively persecuted, for his/their beliefs. and That "you just don't understand, unless you where one of us." He is suffering for his beliefs just as Joseph Smith suffered having to sleep with all 40 wives. Just like the prophet suffered by having people join his religion and make him wealthy. He humbly named himself general and Mayor of his people.. Just like the poor suffering Glenn Beck suffers today with is millions of dollars, and national media reach, his books and speaking engagements and no one questioning his personal business, like how much money he is paid by interests he protects on his show? I cry with you Glenn, your are just as great a con-man as your "prophet". Bravo sir.
Patrick P Perhaps you should read about the Haun's Mill Massacre. And it wasn't the prophet who declared self-defense either. The issue was the LDS growth and their vocal opposition to slavery. It became like a the Salem Witch trials; if you're not liked just because, we'll defame you and kill you if necessary. You may want to take a look at the meaning of cult, as well. I think you'd be surprised to find everyone is involved in a cult in one way or another.
InevitableAlex1 1 lol that is a load of crap! But nice try. Just like today, The Mormons where laughed for being so gullible. as with today, it is easy to see this is a made up religion. Mormons would tell people in town what the prophet said and people would die laughing. The Kinder hook plates was a practical joke played on Joseph smith. A local townsmen created brass made up plates put symbols on them and told smith he found them. Joseph said that the plates where real and even translated them... The people laughed with glee as we should today..
2+2 is four. they where not persecuted. People laughed at them when they talked about kolob or whatever. Then that got back to joe, so joe put out info that god was going to start arnegeddon in Missouri and that Missouri was going to be cast into fire.. Just like the nerdy kids at every school yard ever does when being picked on.. So long story short joe put a silly hex and threatened the normal people, and they got pissed, as happens when that kid does that. The Mormons are a joke, always have been always will be.
America has never at any point in history persecuted any religion for no reason, no matter how strange. When your cult starts threatening normal citizens, creating its own army and you are talking of open rebellion yeah, that's when you got a problem bud. There has never been any persecution of the Mormons! They brought on themselves
The thing that always puzzled me about Glenn Beck IS the mere fact that he is Mormon. He preaches to be a seeker of truth, check the facts. Mormonism is the biggest fraud on earth and when you do your research it is so clear and obvious that is is false.
Tony Marinelli No offense, but Mormonism is not the biggest fraud on earth for it is not a fraud. I have done the research and so have many others that I know, and most of us have been converted or believe in most of what "Mormons" believe in.
Payton Poppell umm it's definitely not the biggest fraud on earth, but it is definitely a fraud. Lose the Testimony goggles, and look at it from a rational standpoint and just see the facts. It's all there, everything wrong with Joseph Smith personally, the complete plagiarizing done to make the Book of Mormon( you know how many books from around the 1800s were ripped off into the Book of Mormon...and ofc the Bible itself written in KJV lol). Just the way the church uses its living prophets as a way to "talk to god" as an excuse for the necessary political and social changes that need to be made to the church to keep it more mainstream....polygamy, black priesthood....and now people are wondering if at any time in the next 50 years something about gays will be done. Trust me when I say the church is declining in its growth rate. It's still growing yes, but that rate is dropping. You know what's really helping with that? The internet. The church is smart, too. They've got themselves well invested with their money in businesses, real estate, etc. so that their reliance on the religion is becoming negligible. In the Godfather, Michael Corleone deals with the fact that he has been born into a crime family and must live with that. He tries to get the family to go clean, to go West to Vegas and set up casinos where there is legal money to be earned. But the struggle of doing this costs him everything. I'm sure you can see the similarity there, but I don't think there's any leadership in the Church who deals with such trying issues of a man's will.
The only thing wrong with Glenn's touching account of polygamy is it doesn't account for why Joseph had 33 wives BEFORE the Mormons left for Utah. And it doesn't account for the fact that 11 of those 33 wives were ALREADY MARRIED TO OTHER LIVING MEN. See Todd Compton's book "In Sacred Loneliness" for the back story on each wife (Todd Compton is an LDS historian). Brigham had over 50 wives, while other men went without.
The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints still practices polygamy to this day. My great grandfather,grandfather and father have two wives each. I am looking for my second wife.
I told my wife that I received a message from God, telling me to marry another one or two younger women. My wife slapped me upside the head. Either my wife is smarter than Joseph Smith's wife, or I am not as good a con artist as Joe was. It could be both.
I dont know much about Mormanism, but Glen Beck is a man of his word, a man of truth, and loyal to God. 95% of America isnt. God Bless Glen Beck for being a light in these dark days!
To any Mormons who feel 'offended' by criticism, and say that folks should just 'let them be', well, that would be all very well, except the Mormons don't let everybody else 'be', with their constant proselytizing. On the occasions that I have had Mormon missionaries try to lay their spiel on me, I have not been rude, but I've given them both barrels with my challenges to the beliefs they feel free to peddle. And it doesn't take much thought to see the gaping holes in the Mormon story. Apart from strictly theological questions, anybody with the most passing acquaintance with pre-Colombian history can see the Book of Mormon for the fraud it is.
Critics don't offend me, they make me laugh. Your last sentence was a real knee-slapper. Of course, you probably say that about all the Christians around you that do the same thing. And then make fun of the Bible because of all the changes and inaccuracies only then to realize,"...huh, I guess the Book of Mormon isn't so unbelievable after all." The willfully ignorant are the funniest animal of all; yes you make me laugh.
jmhatutube The Bible certainly has its share of uncorroborated, and likely purely mythical, people and events. The Exodus and the census are two obvious examples among many. And yet there is much in the Bible that can be corroborated by either archaeology or historiography. Seek independent (ie non-LDS) corroboration of any 'event' recounted in the Book of Mormon, and the sad fact is you will encounter a great, big, yawning nothing. It's a pathetic and manifest fraud from cover to cover.
geoff2204 Of course that's not true, you just haven't looked hard enough or in the right places. But like atheist's dismissing biblical corroboration. you would probably dismiss what ever I brought up, regardless of whether it was non-LDS corroborated or not. If you truly want answers, you'll find them. If not, you won't.
jmhatutube I wouldn't 'dismiss' what you brought up. I would refute it, a very different thing, by citing scholarship from many different fields -- archaeology, anthropology, zoology, palaeontology, genetics, linguistics and more -- that reveals the stories of Joseph Smith to be what they are: fraudulent. The only way you can get around this evidence is with 'faith'. Not good enough for me, I'm afraid.
geoff2204 All that would do is create a back and fourth because what ever you seem to thing refutes the Book of Mormon is more of a lack of evidence than real evidence against. Then I would have to refute what you say, and we'd just go back and fourth. There are plenty of evidences supporting the Book of Mormon, but evidence isn't going to convince anyone on a subject that ultimately requires faith. Atheist regularly refute the Bible, does that mean you don't believe in the Bible? I personally thing the Bible has way more problems than the Book of Mormon. Many see the text its self as proof. The many hebraisms and complex chiasmus and a nearly perfect translation into hebrew are seen as more than enough evidence for the validity of the Book of Mormon. You say you have all these different approaches to refute the Book of Mormon, but are they any different than what has been said for the last 20, 50, 100 years? Because there are significant findings in recent years that put a lot of holes in old claims. Remind me, do you believe in the Bible? If so, how can you then turn around and cast aspersions on the Book of Mormon? This is quite perplexing. We know Joseph Smith himself couldn't have written it, it's far to complex and enough has been corroborated that weren't know during the time of Smith; yet the Bible has some sort authoritative superiority? That, just doesn't make sense.
I don't base my entire opinion on his religious belief. However for someone who I thought was into pure truths it blew my mind when I found out Glen Beck was a Mormon knowing that there are many things in the Mormon doctrine that are anti-biblical. and the Prophet Joseph Smith based on lifestyle and choices could not have been a prophet. No other prophet in history was guilty of is much sin. prophets are typically very good at obeying God. and they certainly do not teach against God's truths. Jesus and God are one in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and through the word all things were made. who is the word Jesus case closed.
Michael loving God May I mention a few things about transmission? See, the Hebrew word for "God" is plural, uses plural pronouns, and refers to "God" "Jesus" and the "Holy Spirit" with different words (by the way, the Holy Spirit has feminine pronouns...). In the Greek translation, the word for "beginning" as in "in the beginning" carries the connotation of a hierarchal council. In fact, nowhere in the New or Old Testaments does it say God and Jesus are the same being. The Holy Trinity doesn't even exist in Christian philosophy until the Athenasian creed in 1642.
tessareea I appreciate your knowledge however of course John says in the beginning was the word and the Word was God and the Word was with God and through the word all things were made. Furthermore when a prophet or a specially when Angels came down to interact with human beings in the worship they told the human beings to stop worshipping them they were servants as well however when Jesus was worshipped as God he never once said do not view him as God. In fact he said I and the father are one. he said if you knew the father you would know him if you do not know him then you do not know the father. I believe it's a mere matter of misunderstanding from human beings. God is three just like we are Spirit soul and body. God works in threes quite often this is also known by anyone who really studies the Bible. nowhere in the New or Old Testament is Satan and Jesus put on the same playing field. Jesus was a servant of God on Earth demonstrating how we are supposed to live. Satan was an angel a servant for his entire existence. there are many other references to Jesus being God. Jesus is God in the flesh the holy spirit is it is the consciousness of God and God the father is the overall deity that encompasses everything light and life. the Bible says his name will be called Emmanuel God With Us. how do you deny all of these scriptures and act like the Bible is not calling Jesus God and not saying that God is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Bible even for tells that in the end the true gospel will be priest. If you are indeed a Mormon the Church of Latter Day Saints how do you not understand this concept that there are things that we will understand today that they did not understand during the time of Jesus and certainly not before then. seems pretty contradictory to me
According to the bible, Abraham Isaac and Jacob, were all polygamists and entered into their exaltation and glory sitting down with the Father and the Son. So polygamy in itself is not a sin, more likely the misunderstanding of men as to when it is authorized. I'm not for polygamy but I am for truth.
I can testify the truth of everything he has just said and i don't actually like Glenn Beck all that much. The missionaries changed my life and the complete gospel along with the Temple..
We must humble ourselves before The Lord before he humbles us. My question is who changed things? Who changed things from a fearless proclamation of the truth, whatever the cost or consequences, to a watered down compromised message that is afraid to offend anyone? Who changed things from “All who live godly lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution” ( 2 Tim. 3:12) to “Ask Jesus into your heart and enjoy a comfortable life”? Who changed things from “Leave everything and follow Me” ( Luke 14:33) to “Pray this little prayer and you’re set for eternity”? Who changed things from the people of God being a threat to the powers of darkness to the people of God being active participants in darkness? Who changed things from a God-centered faith to a man-centered faith, from take up your cross and deny yourself to bypass the cross and empower yourself? Why do we have to have other books that supplemented the Bible or traditions that superseded it. We should believe the Scriptures alone are God’s Word and that nothing that comes after the Scriptures no tradition, no alleged revelation, no consensus can undermine or countermand the written Word of God. Who changed things from holiness being beautiful to holiness being bondage, from the early church being known for its high standards to the contemporary church being known for its scandals? In the early church, Paul instructed the Corinthians to separate themselves from people who claimed to be believers but were living in outward, unrepentant sin. Today, some of those people lead our churches and preach from our pulpits. When did Jesus stop being enough? When did obedience become an option? So, who changed things from the biblical version of the Jesus faith to the modern American version? Unless we get back to believing what is written and acting on what is written, we will continue to perpetuate our merry-go-round Christianity with lots of noise and action and bells and whistles but with little authority, little purity and little effect. I'm sorry, but I didn’t get the memo that God’s Word and Spirit were not enough. A.W.Tozer once said “If the Holy Spirit was withdrawn from the church today, 95 percent of what we do would go on and no one would know the difference. If the Holy Spirit had been withdrawn from the New Testament church, 95 percent of what they did would stop, and everybody would know the difference.” I have been called a "Jesus freak and a religious nut" by friends and family. I have no religion. I have a savior. I have studied bible prophecy for over 30 years and have never seen them being fulfilled so fast. Society is rushing headlong into it's date with the antichrist. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. He does not care about your rank or race. I will be concentrating on my You Tube ministry. In this stressful world in which we live, there is a resting place. Give your life totally over to him, He will protect you from the things that are to come. No one is as aware of injustice as the judge of all Jesus Christ. People get ready, Jesus is coming soon we'll be going home!
It's funny Glenn waters it down to make it sound good and not so far off the wall. I've studied Mormonism and yeah there is more to it then what Beck wants us to hear.
+matt tenet I think the same about anti's. You make everything sound so crazy with your sarcasm and wild tales.....your additions to truth or your skewing of it.
Glenn Beck, I love his opinion about the church when he discuss to his program, we are not perfect, maybe some people hate Glenn because of his religious beliefs, Thank you Glenn for your strong principle.
he lied completely about polygamy. joseph also partook of polyamorous relations too. come on glen, lets tell the truth if your going to tell about your faith
Shirley Sirman it's documented that Joseph Smith has anywhere where 27-33 wives. Some as young as 14 & some were already married to other men. D&C 132:58-66 CLEARLY documents this as celestial law. But Mormons always rationalize it & say it only applies to the early church history. Problem is, Mormonism claims to be a restoration of the gospel message. So, the idea that there's something to be contextually meticulous about is a VERY weak position to take.
Direct quote from Joseph Smith less than one month before he was killed: "What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers." (History of the Church, vol 6, p. 411) Joseph Smith made this statement preaching from the stand to the Latter-day Saints in Nauvoo on Sunday May 26, 1844. At the time he had at least 34 wives. The statement was made less than one month before he was killed in a gunfight on June 27, This is one very obvious example of Joseph Smith's lying publicly. Surely Glenn Beck knows this??? When the mob approached the cell, Joseph fired a pepperbox pistol into the crowd, wounding three men, probably killing at least one of them. (Dallin H. Oaks and Marvin S. Hill, Carthage Conspiracy, the Trial of the Accused Assassins of Joseph Smith). NOTE>>> The LDS church has acknowledged Joseph Smith's polygamy (up to 40 wives) www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng ruclips.net/video/zciavoZACXY/видео.html This admission was reported in The New York Times Nov. 10, 2014: "Mormon leaders have acknowledged for the first time that the church’s founder and prophet, Joseph Smith, portrayed in church materials as a loyal partner to his loving spouse Emma, took as many as 40 wives, some already married and one only 14 years old." >>>>>> In the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, section 132 deals with POLYGAMY. The introduction reads: "Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant and the principle of plural marriage. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, evidence indicates that some of the principles involved in this revelation were known by the Prophet as early as 1831. See Official Declaration 1:------ 1-6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7-14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15-20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21-25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26-27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28-39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40-47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48-50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51-57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58-66, Laws governing plural marriage are set forth.". Joseph Smith stated: "For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.". Section 132 IS STILL IN FORCE, not only teaching polygamy, but ordering it! Note that it is an "everlasting covenant", i.e. IT LASTS FOREVER, CANNOT BE CANCELLED. You can read Section 132 here: www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng ruclips.net/video/n2EIpzHP7s4/видео.html How, then, can the Mormon church say that it does NOT approve of polygamy today? It is stuck with an "everlasting covenant" that cannot be cancelled ! /
For all people who think that Glenn is lying about his beliefs, he's not. I am a Mormon, and everything he said goes perfectly with what I believe. Many times, people assume were lying just because they don't hear what they WANT to hear. Instead we tell them what they NEED to hear, what we TRULY believe. Just because it doesn't conform with the many attacks and misconceptions about our religion does not make it a lie.
Plural marriage was first introduced into Mormonism by Joseph Smith in the 1830's (see Topical Index: Jospeh Smith: Polygamy). It is a common misconception to think of the practice of polygamy as starting with Brigham Young and the Mormon's trip west. Even though Joseph Smith had already married several women, he did not dictate his famous revelation on eternal marriage and polygamy until 1843 (Doctrine and Covenants, section 132). By the time he died he had been sealed to at least 33 women. 1 1 In a Salt Lake Tribune review of Todd Compton's In Sacred Loneliness on Smith's polygamy we read: In identifying 33 well-documented wives of [Joseph] Smith - other researchers have placed the figure as high as 48 - Compton found that in the case of 11 women, Smith's polygamy was polyandrous. That is, the women were married and cohabiting with their husbands, who mostly were faithful Mormons, when Smith married them. Yet not one divorced her "first husband" when Smith was alive. Indeed, they continued to live with their civil spouses while married to Smith. "If one superimposes a chronological perspective, one sees that of Smith's first 12 wives, nine were polyandrous...." Compton, a practicing Mormon...spent much of the 1990's combing pioneer records, diaries and reminiscences.... Eleven of Smith's wives were between ages 14 and 20, nine were in their 20s, eight were in Smith's own peer group of 31 to 40, two were in their 40s and three in their 50s. . . . Toward the end of Smith's life, knowledge of his secret marriages began to leak out. William Law, Smith's second counselor ... filed suit against the church leader for living 'in an open state of adultery' with 19-year-old Maria Lawrence. In a speech a month before his death, Smith responded by flatly denying polygamy, which was illegal under federal law. "What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one," he said. (Salt Lake Tribune, December 13, 1997, p. C2. See Smith's entire speech in History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408-412.) For the next fifty years the practice of plural marriage was considered essential to attain godhood. Brigham Young, second president of the LDS Church, declared "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p. 269, August 19, 1866).
No, he said that if you don't believe, or criticize, what God commands, you are in danger of not getting into the Celestial Kingdom. If God commands plural marriage, you need to know it's from God, whether you practice it or not.
lindalds that's completely wrong, there's written evidence that young said that word for word. Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy. "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).
Here is the reason polygamy is an issue: Discourses of Joseph Smith, pg. 270; “Do the Mormons believe in having more wives than one?” No, not at the same time. But they believe that if their companion dies, they have a right to marry again.” Yet Joseph had as many as 33 wives, concurrently. The official history of the LDS admits that 8 of those women were still married to their husbands. So the founder of Mormonism, "God's prophet" was a hypocritical liar, and adulterer, and that's why polygamy is an issue! While a Mormon would be excommunicated for practicing polygamy today, the command to engage in plural marriage is still included in modern editions of the Doctrine and Covenants. Section 132:4 declares: "For behold, *I reveal unto you a new and everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory*." According to the introduction to volume 5 of the Documentary History of the Church (DHC), the revelation was written down in order to convince Smith's wife, Emma, of its authenticity. When exactly this "revelation" came to Joseph Smith is somewhat confusing. According to the same volume (5:501), Joseph Smith was given this revelation on July 12, 1843. However, the heading of section 132 states it was only recorded on that date only, for " *this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831*." It would seem that the latter would be more correct since D&C 132:52 records a warning to Smith's wife, Emma, to "receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph." The real question is why was polygamy considered essential for exaltation in the early LDS Church while its practice today is grounds for excommunication?
Glenn, you drank the "Cool Aid". How foolish you must feel with the admission of the many wives of Joseph Smith. Not exactly as you describe it. Glenn, it you believe the story of early Mormon polygamy so easily, I wonder if you did any research on the religion at all. Also if you are so quick to believe what anyone tells you, why should anyone believe anything you say about other subjects??? .
Nope I think 1976 they changed the law. A GOV put this order out yes an elected official think I trust GOV far more than propaganda LDS spew. If Warren Jeffs tried taking over Nevada and tried to become a leader of NV put hit on Gov sure same result would happen.
Read Joseph's and Brighams writings. That's not exactly how it happened. I love Glenn but the narrative about polygamy due to persecution is completely false.
the extermination order actually originated with the MORmONS, it was originally issued by MORmON leaders on residents of Missouri. It irritated the governor of Missouri to the extent that he just changed the target and officially re issued it.
I’m truly disappointed in Glen Beck! He has no idea of the church history. He is reciting the white washed version the Brethren have taught, which is completely deceptive. I guess defrauding the government with shell companies….tax fraud! Being fined 5 million dollars is the Mormon Gods way! Look up the Meadow Mountain massacre! Oath of revenge in the temple…to avenge the prophet JS! All break a way Mormons came from Joseph Smith and his teachings! JS is responsible for all of them! There is over 100 of them! Many are trafficking women and children! Look into it! CES letter…
Beck, you are wrong my friend. Joseph was a false prophet and committed polyandry as well. You are always crying for the truth, but you fail to truly test your facts. This is an occult
Well yeah he actually did get the history completely wrong. Some of what he said was true but he didn't mention that being a polygamous is in Mormon Doctrine and that Joseph Smith was a polygamist. He also left of the fact that Joseph Smith would promise salvation to the families of daughters to marry them. He actually kind of fudged that entire issue and what it means to the history of Mormons and what they believe to be true and the word of God.
For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. - 2 Corinthians 11:13-14 Mormons claim to be Christian, but follow a different god. They follow one that was once a man on another planet that earned his way to god-hood. This is a lie and has led many astray.
>>Mormons claim to be Christian, but follow a different god. They follow one that was once a man on another planet that earned his way to god-hood. This is a lie and has led many astray.
lindalds , so just say it. Do you believe differently? Was Brigham Young lying when he said, "Then will they become Gods...they will never cease to increase and to multiply, worlds without end. When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God”?
The Book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith in March 1830. Smith claims that the prophet who last contributed to the work returned to earth as an angel and told him where to find it. This angel then helped Smith translate the work from “reformed Egyptian” characters into English. However, no such ancient language has ever existed.
The "magic underwear" is not complicated. It's just that if you wear it, and then avoid showing it, you will almost certainly be dressed in a decent and modest manner.
Well- it's actually a little more complicated than that. The markings on the garments borrowed from the Freemasons remind the initiated of some specific promises they make in the temple related to these specific markings and more broadly to the covenants/promises they make in the temple ritual.
Stephen Corson Well I suppose you could show me how I am full of crap if you comment had any actual facts behind it. I assume you have issues with my claim that the marking on the garments are Masonic in origin- and they clearly are. Look on the back on any Cadillac owned by a Freemason and the masonic seal has a square and compass on it. Any endowed Mormon knows those are on the LDS garment as well. In Nauvoo Joseph Smith became a master mason and then 6 short weeks later came out the endowment ceremony complete with the garment. I suggest you do some homework. Once you do it will amaze you who it is who is full of crap...as it were.
The Woodruff Manifesto (Official Declaration No. 1, available on the church website) only prohibits polygamy where it violates the civil law. Mormons have no moral objection polygamy if it is legal.
lindalds I am not sure about that. An LDS man may take on another wife for eternity on the death of the first, second, third wife etc...as long as they are not alive and married at same time. However, a woman can only be married for eternity to only one man. My grandmother never remarried after the death of my grandfather. I actually asked her about that, and she never responded, as I noticed that a lot people I knew had remarried after the death of a spouse.
MrJamesBecca None of my family were/are LDS, except my husband and kids. My grandfather died when he was about 58 or so. My grandmother lived on for another 30some years, and never remarried. Some people just don't or can't get remarried.
lindalds I think it was because she wanted to be faithful to her dead husband. With a doctrine like eternal marriage, one could actually commit adultery when ones husband is dead. But with a man this is permitted, a woman its not.
Right. Do your research. Its the same thing. Everyone collectively contributes to society to take care of each other. Isn;t that what the early mormons did, and what Jesus would want? In fact Mormons practice socialism. That's what tithing is and volunteering time for home teaching and sunday school and helping each other move. And where does that tihing money go? To advocate for anti-gay rights and millions dollar malls in Utah. But mormons are hypocrites. They don't want to support universal health care but they'll happily help someone in the ward move their possesions from one big house to another, because they'll be blessed for it. Bunch of schmucks. So ignorant too.
tithing goes towards to the poor and needy, mormon helping hands, pay for churches and temples, keeping churches and temples clean/maintenance and many more. when a disaster happens, the church is normally the first ones to aid and help. as to funding anti-gay rights it was explained here their reasoning edition.cnn.com/2015/01/27/us/mormon-church-lgbt-laws/ nothing wrong here, the church has beliefs, their beliefs is against same sex marriage so what do you think they would do? doing more nit picking than anything.
No it isn't the same. 1 big difference called common consent. You don't want to be a part of it, you are not forced to. Consent and choice is what differentiates Charity from Socialism/Marxism/Communism.
It's sad that Americans are so anti socialist ideas that you won't actually educate yourselves. Outside of FOX news. Certain aspects of socialism, which is a part of Canada and other European countries, is for the greater good. You chip in to help each other out in certain areas, most commonly health care. The law of consecration says that everyone chips in to help each other out with many more aspects of life such as sharing food. Nothing wrong with that either. But Mormons are such hypocrites because they draw near to God and jesus with their mouths but not with their hearts. ADo you really think Jesus, the supposed head of the church doesn't want all people to have access to healthcare without the stress of debt or potential of dying because they can;t afford it, when other people can. This is one of the reasons I left the church. Because you guys ara A) ignorant and B) hypocrites. You think the Gospel is about reading the scriptures, attending church, preaching the book of Mormon, going on missions and helping a fellow member move. That's the extent of most service from most members. What did Jersus say to the rich man in the bible? You know that story. Everyone knows that story. So why can;t you accept that it's a good idea to give a little so less fortunate people can have a better quality of life. And who know's, you or a loved one will be in that situation one day. Back to common consent. You're commanded to pay tithing or you will burn if you don't. An actual teaching from Jospeh Smith. How about His 40 wives? Did Heber C Kimballs 14 year old daughter consent to marrying a 40 year old man? Doubt it. But that's the part of socialism that Jospeh practiced that is that part everyone fears of happening. A leader abusing his authority.
I don't know where Glen goes to church but he is getting seriously mixed up here. Most scholars have refuted the idea that Polygamy was the result of too many women left alone due to persecution where male lives were lost, it sounds like it was because of convenience not revelation. But the major problem here is he mentioning the Spanish American War ---Spain had nothing to do with the early history of the church!!. Spanish - American war did not happen during Brigham's live (1898) You are getting mixed up with the Mexican - American War (1846). Not a good way to start because people would think he is an ignorant and he does not know what he is talking...other than that he is bold and is trying to dispel the stereotype
Not at all, just overt spam, morally or intellectually dishonest comments, as well as death threats. One example, folks with several accounts who argue with themselves I typically delete. The reason to post these vids on RUclips is to have a discussion & debate. Yet, being this is vid is of a religious nature there must be a basic level of moral & intellectual honesty.
i am a liberal mormon and i dont like GB's politics much, but I respect him so much for standing for something! u dont have to agree, but at least respect and move on.
Every time I run onto Glenn Becks program, and I here the tag," The truth lives here, "I want to vomit.. He speaks of truth, but he needs to start researching his belief system as much as he does the bits for his show. Because when it comes to his confessed knowledge of Mormonism, he either doesn't know much, or he knows too much, and can't gracefully back out of it.
Glenn, I listened to you because I respect you. I've defended you for many years even against my own friends. If anyone can put a good face on Mormonism it is you, and you did that. I believe you spoke every word from your heart. For the first time since I've known you, I have to say with a heavy heart. On this one, you are dead wrong. Your Mormon faith stands or falls on whether Joseph Smith was a true prophet or a charlatan. I know you will agree with that. You have at your disposal some of the greatest researchers that have served you well in all your programming. Would you give them permission to do a non-biased investigation into the true nature of Joseph Smith? It is no easy task to tell someone you love and respect that the very foundation of your faith is a fake. My question to you, Glenn, is this. Do you love Jesus more than you love Joseph Smith? May God bless you my friend. You have truly been a blessing to me. Frank
First, there is no unbiased research into the character of Joseph Smith. You either love him or hate him. Second, no one in our church loves Joseph Smith, or any prophet, or anyone, more than we love Jesus Christ.
.Run the proof by me again of the existence of the Invisible man in the sky? Might the "proof" also apply to Zeus or Odin as well? - or vampires and demons? And which group of Christians are "saved" while other groups are going to hell? Seems if the Bible is absolute true -there are a lot of ways make it mean what ever you want it to mean.
Anybody who has *not* gone to our church with the sincere wish to truly learn what we sincerely believe- I sincerely say this- *Stop talking like you know what we believe*. As a church that was organized in America (When the First Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights was still respected), we have a RIGHT- let me repeat that- *A RIGHT* to say what we believe in as much as you do! And the people loyal to the church believe in it as much as you atheists don't! You have NO right to hinder the practice of others' beliefs. Do we, as a church, go mobbing public schools, holding up unkindly worded protest signs, shouting unfriendly remarks when a teacher doesn't believe in God,, miracles, gender roles, or anything else Christian? No. So don't do anything similar to us. You are a bigot in the most grammatically true sense of the word if you will treat others with such unfair intolerance just because you don't agree with them! We know what we believe. You can't read minds. Stop acting like you do. Go to an active Latter-Day-Saint, and ASK them what they believe. They will tell you. Have any questions about our church on matters/information that disturb you? Ask the church's members- not extremely unfair, unkind, biased websites, books, media, or individuals! We have a LOT of material to our beliefs- it will take time to look through all of them and understand them- but give it everything you've got before jumping to any conclusion. Our church has a centrally planned organization, and it has services for answering non-member's questions. Also, in the church's history, LOTS of unfair, extravagant lies have been spread about our church by ex-members (many who were excommunicated for good reasons) and other biased so-called Christians (Who in practice did very UN-Christian things) and neighbors. So don't ever believe the first disturbing "fact" about Mormons that hits your ears: It is unlikely to be true- and if it is true, and bothers you- go ask respectfully for an explanation. You want Mormon beliefs? Here is a good start: from the website that any good Mormon goes to for information: www.lds.org/general-conference/2009/10/safety-for-the-soul?lang=eng www.lds.org/topics/atonement-of-jesus-christ?lang=eng
Most of us went there and learned the lies for decades. Then the church admitted some of the lies in their essays and we began to learn a lot more. Mormons know SHIT about their religion.
David Brown Who in the church? Ex- Mormons? You have no substantiation for your claim- People have been spreading lies about our church from the very beginning. and I KNOW what *I* believe in, thank you very much.
David Brown Did you read that page? It was to *clarify* information and misconceptions about the church, not "Admit the doctrinal incorrectness of the church". The church has a system in place for the excommunication of members who have committed serious offenses against the laws of God and, in some cases- the government. That means that no member of this church is considered to be automatically "qualified" as righteous. I even learned in my seminary class that a group of people with such a mindset were told to repent. Indeed, we do often stress that the Savior, Jesus Christ, is our one and only perfect example. We- The *members* of the church- are not perfect- and any member of this church who thinks they are qualified for the highest degree of glory in heaven for simply becoming a member of the church either does not understand the church's doctrine on salvation, is spreading lies with destructive or prideful intent, or is simply parroting lies. However, I do firmly believe that God has ordained this *church organization* to be his one and only true church on the Earth- and that the *commandments, laws, and doctrines* we have are indeed from the mouth of God himself or his true, ordained servants. All members of our church- from the ones with the least to the most authority- are a work in progress. And sometimes, God gives us commands that even *we* don't understand at the time they're given- or particularly want to do- such as plural marriage. But, as Abraham was willing to obey the command to kill his long-waited-for and much loved son, Isaac- and was blessed for his obedience to God- so do we (some of us) still follow God's commandments for all their difficulty. But, it wouldn't be surprising if many- given the same commandment from God that Abraham was given- would refuse to obey, or even fight against God for the commandment. Others still, can be misguided, and even Judas, one of the original twelve apostles- betrayed Jesus for temptation. God's chosen individuals can become God's fallen, perditious individuals- and much of the history of our church attests to that. God doesn't need us to become missionaries if all he wanted was for the people of the world to be baptized in his church- if that were the case, he would have come down himself and revealed to the world the name of the true church in person. But- he wants his flawed, young, ugly-duckling children to become swans, like him. And to do that- they need a reason to become swans- because in the spiritual world- an ugly duckling can become either an ugly duck or a swan by choice. It isn't automatic. So he teaches and tests us with the patience of a perfect father, and will trust us with more responsibilities as we grow, so we can grow more. And he also tries our faith- or abiding trust and hope in Christ and his Atoning Sacrifice. People can of course, give up these responsibilities at any point in development for various reasons, and disobey God's commandments- which were made for our eternal joy. I attest that the church itself is not wrong- but that the individuals who God entrusts it to are flawed. I have already argued enough online for the sake of what I truly believe in- I have no intention of arguing with you more. I hold firmly to my belief- and I will let nothing sway me from it. Edit:I am done commenting. I hope you may come to find why I love my church so much. But it is still your decision to make on what you believe. I leave my words with you in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
Sure Joey had dozens of wives including the wives and teen daughters of his followers, but it was for holy purposes like having little or no additional children. Sure Joey pulled the Book of Mormon out of a hat, but talking to magic rocks was normal back then. Sure the Book of Abraham papyri have nothing to do with Abraham and all the facsimiles are 100% false but maybe god lied to Joey and the Book of Abraham came through direct revelation instead.
+Jay Lexter Journal of Discourses is not considered doctrine. If you go on ldsdotorg you'd know this for yourself. People always think they know our faith better than we do. Sorry. You don't. You never will understand our faith until you read the Book of Mormon completely.
+GTime “GL136AK” L - I could say the same to you about true Christianity (which JSmith said was an abomination). You have no idea about it until you actually get saved and dedicate your life to the real Jesus Christ. BTW, I don't need to go to the dump to know it stinks. SO you are denying that Mormons claim to get their own planet and become a god if they were good enough on earth? There are PLENTY of false teachings and doctrines in your movement which i'm sure you would not deny since they are recorded in your writings and affirmed by your so-called prophets. You are in a cult.
In light of all this talk regarding executive order #44 (around 5 minutes in), I would be interested in knowing your view on the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
QUESTIONS TO ASK
MORMONS
• I've read where Joseph Smith said that he translated the golden plates (from which he got the Book of Mormon) letter-by-letter, "by the power of God" and that it was "the most correct of any book on earth." If that's true why has the Mormon Church had to make more than 4,000 changes to the Book of Mormon that was originally published in 1830?
• Can you show me archeological or historical proofs from non-Mormon sources that would prove that the peoples and places named in the Book of Mormon actually existed?
• Why does LDS Church artwork misleadingly depict Joseph Smith translating the Book of Mormon by directly examining the gold plates? The eyewitnesses reported that the plates were always covered or hidden away when Joseph dictated the Book of Mormon, and that he did so while looking at his seer stone in his hat-the same stone he had used to search for buried treasure. [Question by Robert M. Bowman Jr. at IRR]
• Why do the Bible verses quoted in the Book of Mormon contain the italicized words from the King James Version that were added into the KJV text by the translators in the 16th and 17th centuries?
Here's an example: 3 Nephi 24:10 says: "...that there shall not be room enough to receive it..." This is an exact quote from Malachi 3:10 from the King James Version. What's amazing is that seven of these words were not part of the original text. They were added by the KJV translators for clarity. How did those words end up in the Book of Mormon that was supposedly written over a thousand years before the King James Version of the Bible?
• Isaiah 43:10 says, "Before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me." In Isaiah 44:6, God says, "There is no God besides Me." In light of what is said here, how can worthy Mormon males become Gods in the afterlife when God already said that before him no God was formed, nor will there be any Gods formed after Him?
• Why do Mormons say that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers when both the first chapter of John 1:1-3 and Colossians 1:16 teach that Jesus is the creator of all things, including Lucifer?
• I read where Brigham Young, the second president of the LDS Church, taught that both the moon and the sun were inhabited by people (Journal of Discourses, 1870, v.13, p.271). Has the Mormon Church ever found scientific evidence of that to be true?
• I read in Doctrine and Covenants 84:1-5 where Joseph Smith prophesied that the New Jerusalem and a temple would be built in Zion, Missouri in his generation. Does the Mormon Church still teach that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God after he made a false prophecy?
• I read where Brigham Young taught that Adam is "our Father and our God" (Journal of Discourses, Apr. 9, 1852, vol.1, p.50). How can that be true when both the Bible and the Book of Mormon (Mormon 9:12) say that Adam was a creation of God?
• If Brigham Young was a true prophet, why would one of your later prophets overturn his declaration which stated that the black man could never hold the priesthood in the LDS Church until after the resurrection of all other races (Journal of Discourses, Dec. 12, 1854, 2:142-143)?
• Read Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Since the Bible's test to determine whether someone is a true prophet of God is 100% accuracy in all his prophecies has the LDS Church ever reconsidered its teaching that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were true prophets?
• In the last couple of years, Mormon scholars, and scientists have discovered powerful DNA evidence that has proven that the American Indians are not descendants of the Jewish race (as the Book of Mormon claims in its introduction), but the Asian race. How does your church respond to this scientific evidence?
• Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1)?
• How could Joseph Smith claim to have translated the Book of Abraham from ancient Egyptian papyri, when those papyri-rediscovered in the 1960s and translated since by both LDS and non-LDS scholars-were pagan Egyptian funeral documents and had nothing to do with Abraham? [Question by Robert M. Bowman Jr. at IRR]
• Why did Joseph Smith condone polygamy as an ordinance from God (Doctrine and Covenants 132 [see v. 38-39]) when the Book of Mormon had already condemned the practice in the book Jacob 1:15 and 2:24?
• What possible justification can there be for Joseph Smith's plural marriages to over thirty women, including at least eight women who were still legally married to other, living men? [Question by Robert M. Bowman Jr. at IRR]
Tony Marinelli I hope no Mormons take your stupid questions seriously. I'm not Mormon, but I'll answer your first question for free: Spelling and punctuation. If you had done your own research instead of stealing someone else's questions, you'd know that the 4000 changes are spelling and punctuation and verses. The first edition was basically one long paragraph until someone took a look and decided to split the book into chapters and verses. Dude. I'm not even a member and I know all your questions are pretty lame bullshit.
Pants It was more than spelling and punctuation smart ass. Now piss off!!!
Tony Marinelli Do your own research instead of stealing someone else's questions.
Pants I have done my own research, it happens to be an excellent set of questions.
LOL. If you say so. My standards are a little bit higher. If you really want to stump Mormons, all you need to do is research how much nepotism there is in the church. There, I just did all your work for you and I'm an athiest.
Glenn, when I was growing up in the church (I'm 55 now), I was disturbed by the early church history of polygamy. I was told the same story you are telling now, that because so many Mormon men were killed for their beliefs, that there were numerous widows and fatherless children left behind who needed men to "take care of them". Being a good Mormon girl who wanted to be able to understand and accept this repugnant practice, I bought the story. I was a teenager who looked to my elders for guidance. You are a grown man, and you should be embarrassed to be defending the practice of polygamy in the early church. The information is out there now, whereas for the first 150+ years it was hidden away in church archives. It can't be hidden anymore (one good thing about the information age), so the only way the church members can avoid the ugly truth is to bury their heads in the sand. The ugly truth is that Joseph Smith married at least 33 women, many of whom had living, supporting, husbands!! There was no financial support offered to the women of whom JS was their only husband, either. You made the cute, smarmy remark that you have trouble with your one wife....how many men can support multiple wives and households? The early Mormon men couldn't either. The fundamentalist groups have it figured out....welfare. The ugly truth is that the fundamentalists more closely resemble the early church than the mainstream church of today does. Please take your head out of the sand and do some real research. You are not fooling anyone by repeating the church's sanitized version of it's history.
It’s a myth all these women needed husbands. Joseph smith married a 14 year old! Brigham Young married a 13 year old. Glen is LYING.
If you honestly investigate the Church it all makes sense.
Exactly!
Ann Long and lindalds I've investigated the church and it makes LESS sense the more you study! I talked to a bishop that said he HAS to leave LOGIC out when he is dealing with matters with faith--this is the same impression ive been given by SEVERAL Mormons! The Church says only pray to Heavenly Father, despite the fact prayers to Jesus are found in ALMA 38:8, 3 NEPHI 19:18, D&C 109:42, and Jesus is ORDERED to be BOWED and WORSHIPED in 2 Nephi 25:29. Mormons do NOT pray to Jesus, the extent of their Jesus worship is "following his example" and "being in awe and reverence of him," Apostle Bruce McConkie said Mormons DO NOT WORSHIP JESUS. Also, the Mormon God is NOT OMNIPRESENT and CANNOT BE, thats NO A GOD at all, He is not all powerful! ironically, only the "light of Christ" is omnipresent--and its not even a person!
The LDS doctrine about Jesus being God makes no sense at all, since Jesus was God before he had a physical body or "married." The LDS Holy Ghost no one has a clue who He is or where He is from, one person told me He might be Heavenly Father's brother or come from another god all together.
Then you have apostles and prophet calling black people N*ggers in General Conference and declaring insane doctrines like Adam is Heavenly Father (Brigham Young taught this for 20 YEARS) and he was Prophet longer than ANYONE after him! God did not take Brigham out for misleading the church!
Missionaries told me they do not have answers, but I will get answers after im baptized and confirmed. Now if the missionaries are baptized and confirmed, why don't they have the answers then?
Many religions thru out the world try to reconcile faith and reason--the Mormons substitution REASON with FEELINGS.
Mormons faith is ALL FEELINGS, being HAPPY. It makes NO SENSE. So much of Mormonism is just parroting, repeating what you are told to think and feel. So many Mormons lie about how they feel, or just lie in general without realizing it. I can't tell you how many times Mormons told me "I promise" and were the "promise" never happened. Feelings cannot produce REAL results.
lindalds "Jesus said to pray to the Father. Jesus never said to pray to Him. "
me: So were the people in the Acts 7:59, all the verses in the BoM and D&C wrong to pray to Jesus then? Many Bibles btw in John 14:13-14 has Jesus telling to ask JESUS in His name. Joseph Smith prayed to Jesus in D&C 109, so why does the LDS discourage praying to Jesus?
you:And preaching His gospel, and following His commandments.
me: The BoM says to BOW DOWN to Him and worship with all your being! Its the same language used for worshiping Heavenly Father! So why is Jesus given second class status?
you:[about omnipresence and omnipotence of God]I don't know where you got that. I know I've never heard that before.
me: I found this out from talking to missionaries, sunday school teachers and a Institute teacher.
For example Gospel Principles says about the Holy Ghost:
"He can be in only ONE PLACE AT A TIME, but His influence can be everywhere at the same time" (Chapter 7 pg 32).
Also, D&C 130:9 says the Father and Son cannot be in a believers heart:
John 14:23-The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the FATHER and the SON DWELL in a man’s HEART is an old sectarian notion, and is FALSE.--D&C 130:9
Also, I should mention
The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.--DC 130:22
The D&C misquotes Joseph and makes him say the OPPOSITE of what he said which was:
“The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s. The Son also, but the Holy Ghost is a personage and a person cannot have the personage of the H[oly] G[host] in his heart.” see here www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1843/2Apr43.html
Then again, the church and even Joseph REWROTE D&C so much its unbelievable, they say the bible is corrupt, but if the general authority can change scripture, how is it scripture?
you:Jesus is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament.
me: And the OT calls Jehovah "Elohim"--which is supposed to the the Father! Also, Jesus did not have a physical body yet in the Old Testament, His Father did, but Jesus was able to become God without going thru the marriage and physical body process that everyone else would have to! At the Institute the teacher said it was because Jesus was a pure spirit (though technically we would ALL be since we were all supposedly born of the same union of "celestial" parents). The ordinary progression is spirit>body>sealed marriage>godhood, but Jesus went spirit>godhood>body>marriage (if you believe the old general authority)
you:So, one person is confused, so ALL Mormons are confused.
Can I use that with you, what one (non-LDS) Christian thinks, ALL of them think?
me: Actually, I am not aware of any Mormon teaching on this matter. The person I asked was an Institute teacher. He said the origin of the Holy Ghost is speculation. This is pretty consistent with others too. If the Holy Ghost is of the Father, then He is not the First born spirit son, since Jesus is supposed to be. How is the HG a god, if He NEVER got a physical body or presumably is not married yet? BTW past presidencies said the Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost are two SEPARATE things. In the old days Holy Spirit was just another way of saying "light of Christ." If we go even further back, Lectures of Faith in the Old D&C seems to say the Holy Ghost is not a person, but the mind of the Father and Son, though still a trinity somehow.
I did and it doesnt make sense
That's the most backwards statement I've ever heard. Perhaps that's true of you only listen to what the church say, and ignore anything that contradicts it, and especially if you don't research the church documents that they never tell people about and don't want you know the truth, let alone all the non-church documents about smiths life, the founding of Mormonism, the fact that even the people listed in the beginning of the book of Mormon as having sworn seeing the plates with their own eyes later admitted that they only saw them with their 'spiritual eyes(i.e. they didn't actually see them at all), etc., etc., etc. Mormonism is literally the most easily disprovable religion ever. More so than even Scientology, or ancient "religions" like the Greek and Roman pantheons.
Wow. Only got 3 mins in and I can see where this is heading. A start of the worst apologetics ever. The LDS church needs to be honest with its history.
Brigham Young taught that polygamy was necessary for exaltation to god hood.
Labu Ex if a prophet of God said that, it must be true. Maybe you should pray about.
Joseph Smith took 40 wives.. so what are you talking about Glenn
@@viajero1004 that's assuming Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Which we can prove he isn't, since he failed the test for being a prophet put forth in the bible(i.e., he made prophecies that were false/failed to come true.)
Not to mention everything we know about Joseph Smith and his history of being a sort of mystical con man(including using seer stones to find gold and treasure, which he was even arrested for), the fact that he didn't even use the golden plates to translate the book of Mormon at all, that he couldn't accurately reproduce a new translation when the originals were hidden at the recommendation of what's-his-name's wife, the kinder hook plates, the book of Abraham, etc. etc. etc. Mormonism is literally the most easily disposable religion there is(even more so than Scientology.)
As a Christian. I love the fact that Glen Beck is an honest man! He tells the truth. He speaks with, pure truthful genuine and again honest content about His Faith, which is also MY faith.Glen you are the man. You have stated true facts about the Church with a Conviction that comes from your Faith and your knowledge of The Truth of The Book of Mormon, the truth about the Early Saints, and the truth about OUR practices that are endorsed- when followed as He has revealed them- are endorsed by Almighty God himself. Thank you for your Patriotism Glen. more horrible division are caused by politics in this Country than you my friend. Thanks Glen. I hope to meet you someday. Thank you for being a Patriotic, God Fearing, and honest media figure!! Keep up the GOOD WORK GLEN!!!
He isn't honest or correct about any of the issues in this video
Oh dear, do your research. He's not being honest here. I was a fan until today.
Thanks for that. It's hard to find answers like this from someone who isn't trying desperately to convert you. And this guy delivers answers in an entertaining way that doesn't distract you from the main point. Excellent.
Why do they have to change text so often. No hat now maybe a hat. No stone now a stone. No polygamy now polygamy.
@@benwoodard6851the Bible also had polygamy
Smith married his second wife (Fanny Alger) in 1833 several years before executive order 44 was made in 1838. Sorry Glenn but your excuse fails.
“Once they came to Utah polygamy stopped”. Just false. Polygamy kept on until Utah Statehood became a factor.
Thumbs up if you could not finish watching this.
The only men who become Gods, even the sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 11:269.)
Yeah, but that's one of the parts of their special book that they pretend "doesn't count" anymore, kind of like the bible's ban on eating shellfish.
Make me wonder. How can I know the true church if is always changing its core beliefs? One day its polygamy, now its not. And tomorrow it is. With every new prophet comes a new salvation. That's not the Bible that I read. God does not change.
To be fair, Mormonism is hardly the only religion that periodically "re-interprets" their doctrine in order to fit the moral standards of the day. For instance, bans on interracial marriage were at one time vehemently defended using biblical doctrine.
John nhoJ that's a really odd example given that the LDS denied the priesthood to blacks until 1976 when 'prophet' Kimble mysterious had a revelation. and this is the point. other religions don't claim to have a prophet, one who has a direct line to God. other religions know that they are learning new things. the LDS should know better. they should have been the leaders in the civil-rights movement, not Baptists like Martin Luther King.
19:40-19:45 Mormons just believe things you think are weird. Your right Glenn. Such as you will be a god one day, inherit your own planet and propagate little spiritual children to populate. Where did i hear that before? Gen. 3:5? Isa. 43:10 "Before me no god was formed nor shall there be any after me" Checkmate! Isa. 45:9 "Woe to him who strives with HIM who formed him, a pot among earthen pots" Heed those words Mr. Beck! Although i respect the work you do in exposing the progressive movement, it's far more dangerous when you mislead people and damn their very soul! REPENT!!!
+clifford fulwood STAY AWAY FROM THE BOOK OF MORMON! Matthew 7:15; Proverbs 30:6; Galatians 1:7-9; 2 John 10; Revelation 22:18
+clifford fuelwood dear checkmate....what do you think it means in Romans when we are promised that we can be joint heirs with Christ? There are many Christian churches and early Christian theologians who taught the deification of men. Just because you aren't aware of that part of Christian theology, doesn't mean it isn't true. You should study it, and become more aware. Light and knowledge can be yours, and mine, if we realize all that we don't know. `It is neither strange nor heresy for the children of God to want to be like God. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, which is in Heaven, is perfect." Matt. 5:48 Read more of this doctrine in Romans :814-17 or 2nd Corinthians 3:17-18. And about men be "partakers of the Divine nature" in 2nd Peter 1:2-4 or 1 John 3:1-2 John 10:34 they are gods, even the sons of God. 1 John 3:1-2 "when we see Him, we shall be like Him"
Children of Kings and Queens grow up to be Kings and Queens. Father's and Mother's rejoice in the progression of their children. It's really not that hard of a concept. The doctrine of deification has been around for a long time. It will take more than sarcasm and disagreeable men to dismiss it.
whoever said don't get married until you're 30 it's only kidding. as a Mormon I am a firm believer in the sanctity of marriage.
The ending of polygamy was a condition of Utah joining the Union.
+Mark Goodair I heard something about wars occuring at that time when polygamy was common and since there was no wars there was no need for that. It was illegal in some states even when the church said it was ok.
+halfhumanhalfzombie You do realize that States (not the states of america, just individual states) had declared war/extermination orders on Mormons right? That's not even talking about how the pastors of other religions organized religous mobs to attack drive out and burn down Mormons and their homes.
Armed mobs would often come into Mormon settlements at night and drive everyone out of their houses and then taking everything they owned as property of the mob. Then they would force the Mormons to leave or be killed, so the Mormons would be forced to pay the mob in order to regain some things they owned in order to be able survive leaving. Not things of personal value, rather things like food, shoes, and other traveling necessities. Sometimes the Mob wouldn't be so gracious and just drive the Mormons out in their night clothes, that where the Mormons would leave bloody footprints because of the snow freezing their feet.
There was most certainly a war going on, just not one declared by the federal government.
+Mark Goodair Utah was already apart of the union as the Deseret territory, because of that when the United States passed the law against polygamy the Utah area was put under that effect too. The reason why we did stop is two-fold one the persecution lightened up so it was not needed anymore. Second is our beliefs in keeping the laws of where ever we live, except if the law is to break the commandments of God. This is summed up in the 12 Article of Faith. (The 13 Articles of Faith are a brief summary of Mormon Beliefs)
"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."
KillerRhece Yeah I heard of that.
+halfhumanhalfzombie So there were wars going on for Mormons. Afterwords it was no longer needed, also our beliefs is that we will obey the laws of the land we live as long as it is not forcing us to break the commandments of God, So when the U.S. passed the law outlawing Polygamy because of our beliefs we followed it. There are some groups of people who believe in the Book of Mormon in mexico and Canada that still do practice polygamy but they are break offs that don't follow the prophets and subsequently are not Mormon.
You are seduced Sir! Timothy 4:1( King James Version)
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Thank you for sharing Glenn Beck's explanations and realness. Timeless.
Your founder married over 30 women.
Yep just like the prophets in the Old and New Testament.
Also on top of what the person above me said I think people need to understand that nowadays the Mormons have no longer practice polygamy only the fundamentalist sects which are not connected to Mormonism or the respectful way of calling the Mormon church the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in any way shape or form sounds like a lot of people still need to do their homework
Joseph Smith was a 19th century con man. the Book of Mormon is boring as hell.
I love Glenn Beck! I'm jewish convert to LDS he is awesome !
kittywaymo awesome!!!!
Poor choice
Kitty Way Praise Him !
Lds is cult
Mormons ,as a group, are a great people, who live to a higher moral standard than most. Mormons are people too, and people sin. We all fall short of the glory of God. God made a way for us to come to the Father, through Christ Jesus. I pray that all Mormons find salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, just like I pray for others to find their way to heaven. God Bless.
I pray that Mormonism will whither and fold the same as Christianity,Islam, and every other Supernatural based faith. For a Christian to pray for a Mormon to find salvation through Jesus Christ is like telling a child that McDonalds hamburgers are preferred over Burger king because the french fries are cooked in vegetable oil.. Magic Underwear? That must be an in joke that somehow stuck..
We do. Before you can be baptized into our church, the VERY FIRST THING you have to do is, have faith in, and accept as your Lord and Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
lindalds
What does it mean to accept Jesus as our Savior? Many will stand before Him, and hear depart from me; I never knew you. As my faith in God grows, I can't help but recognize that many will be cast into outer darkness. We must stay in a state of prayer and repentance, but confident in the finish work that Jesus accomplished at the cross. Peace.
SuperCal It's more than just "confident in the finish work that Jesus accomplished at the cross."
Those that the Lord will say "I never knew you" are those who do what they do in the name of Christ, but without His blessings. It's not up to you to decide who that is.
lindalds We should do our best to help restore those who are in sin back to a right standing with gentleness and love.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Book of Mormon
The Book of Mormon, though it mentions a lot of historical things, lacks the archeological evidence to back it up. None of the cities or people mentioned specifically in regard to the Book of Mormon have been discovered. Lee Strobel says “Archaeology has repeatedly failed to substantiate its claims about events that supposedly occurred long ago in the Americas. I remember writing to the Smithsonian Institute to inquire about whether there was any evidence supporting the claims of Mormonism, only to be told in unequivocal terms that its archaeologists see ‘no direct connection between the archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.’
No religion can provide archaeological evidence of it's supernatural claims. Not one.
Glen again hiding the real mormonism
I'd choose C. None of the above.
Heidi Reis is Ignorant
Mr. Beck is gonna have to do an update to this video because that’s actually not the reason why they practiced polygamy in the early days of the church
im really glad I watched this. I do not agree with everything that Mormons believe but I respect it a lot more now. The end of this video was really beautiful. Praise the Lord. So many diverse denominations but Jesus is still the focus! We must Love, trust and follow God and love others- these are the fundementals. 😁
They don't believe in the same Jesus as taught by the Apostles. Period.
Moses and Isaac were not polygamists as Beck says. 2:55 They are two of the central figures in the first two books of the Bible about which Beck purports to know so much. Beck's own testimony regarding his conversion to the Mormon church has to do with feelings and friendship. He chose his faith the way Democrats vote - feelings!
I think it is wonderful that there are people in this world who have managed to find happiness and joy. I know I have. We all believe in something or someone, and the Latter-Day Saints that I know and associate with (both men and women) all seem very kind, and extremely happy with their lives!
So do Muslims and Buddhists but we need to share the gospel with them that they might be saved.
Only reason Mormons dropped polygamy? They were told if they didn't they would not be allowed to join the union. So they quickly pulled a fast one and said, "Our Head Honcho had a "vision that we should drop it." That was handy. Case closed.
I just figured they ran out of single women
How do you know that God didn't want Utah to be a part of the United States and that's why?
Mormonism is not Christianity or even biblical. Mormonism its inconpatible with the christian Bible. I pray Glen will see this and reject his other testament and its teachings. You dont have to be a theologian to point the incompatibility of teachings of Mormonism and the Christian Bible. People will die for their beliefs as Glen point it out. Not the only religion that has done that, certainly it does not gives any validity to the book of Mormon. You can be a great person, love your country , honor family and have great values. such as Glen Beck, my respects to him!!!
Chrisrianty is found in the Only Word of God. The Bible and the Bible alone. Apostle Paul warned us about that. Galatians 1:8-9. There are not more revelations of Jesus other that what was written in the Christian Bible. Btw, people in heaven will not be married Matthew 22:30. Please, please please read your bibles and reject the book of Mormon. Blessings
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What is not biblical? Latter-day Saints believe and use both the Old and New Testament as scripture.
Do Mormons really expect us to believe that the Jewish Lich King Jesus who could raise undead followers, cast healing spells, speak with demons, and conjure fish and wine from the Netherworld, could possibly have made his way over to North America?
Ridiculous.
Glenn thank you for sharing. I am exploring the church and loved your message of giving and love
Whether you chose to join the church or not, I hope you’re doing well :)
My wife’s side of her family lost lots of property from these looters in 1844 and forced to march in the snow to Utah Territory. Many died.
Reparations?
(Crickets)
Who forced them to march?
@@jamesbayless5842 The mobs were the culprits. Then, Governor Ford of Illinois did little to help. Latter Day Saints needed to prepare to abandon the city. The winter of 1845-46 saw the enormous preparations for the Mormon Exodus via the Mormon Trail. In early 1846, the majority of the Latter Day Saints left the city. On September 10, 1846, a mob of about 1,000 anti-Mormons besieged Nauvoo. It was brutal. Miraculously , only 3 of the fewer than 150 Mormon defenders were killed, and skirmishing left wounded on both sides. About a week later, on September 16, Daniel H. Wells and the Mormon leadership of Nauvoo surrendered to the mob and arranged for their people's evacuation from the town and expulsion across the Mississippi River into the then Iowa Territory. The Winter was cold and devastating, leaving many more people, especially women and children, to die from exposure and starvation. It is a chapter in American history that is criminally ignored.
Glen looks like a story teller who dances around issues till its boring and you forget the original question
Glen should go into politics
What most of you probably don't know is that there are SO many missionaries that come home. My brother went on his, and he knew three guys that left of their own will. If you wan't to leave, you can just leave. Your not kept there. And there are so many that do such stupid things on their missions. Remember, these are 18-19 year old kids. They're out there, and many of them will do really bad things. And other's will do what they said they'd do. So it's not so brainwashy as a lot of you think.
That they goof up is proof that there isn't brainwashing? No, it proves it isn't 100% effective.
Tim Spangler You must not be familiar with brainwashing in the manner you mean. To do that kind of cult brainwashing, you need to isolate the individual, away from others, even other possible brainwashies (for lack of better word). You have to make sure the only belief that is going into them is yours. They can't have other's telling them different spins that may possibly contradict the other. We send these boys out to multiple places in the world, where they see all kinds of religions and ways of life. Their flooded by the culture. Let me tell you about my life. I would wake up, read scriptures, than go and do school, and than watch youtube way to much during the day, go to work, come home, say a prayer, and go to bed. When I was like 8 or nine, I didn't even read scriptures, and I'd play video games or watch tv all day. That's how it's been. That is my life in a nut shell. Does this sound like I have been brainwashed?
DJ7223 I am not trying to be disrespectful. Far from it. But it still comes down to content, and the viability of it. JWs distribute their message with (somewhat) integrity. It's all about the message.
Tim Spangler So our missionaries are disrespectful?
DJ7223 Where did you get that out of what I wrote? Not only do I say that LDS missionaries are great kids, I like a lot of LDS, who are as moral as they come. But that is the problem. They think that they are moral enough. It will NEVER happen. Grace is UNdeserved, and you or I can NEVER deserve what is UNdeserved.
Mormons practice polygamy because Joseph Smith practiced polygamy...Glenn Beck says "polygamists are not mormons" then doesn't that make Joseph Smith NOT a mormon? He does a great job a sidestepping the actual truth
This is straight from the LDS website
(www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng)
"After receiving a revelation commanding him to practice plural marriage, Joseph Smith married multiple wives and introduced the practice to close associates. This principle was among the most challenging aspects of the Restoration-for Joseph personally and for other Church members"...."Although the Lord commanded the adoption-and later the cessation-of plural marriage in the latter days, He did not give exact instructions on how to obey the commandment. Significant social and cultural changes often include misunderstandings and difficulties. Church leaders and members experienced these challenges as they heeded the command to practice plural marriage and again later as they worked to discontinue it after Church President Wilford Woodruff issued an inspired statement known as the Manifesto in 1890, which led to the end of plural marriage in the Church."
Does this not sound a little fishy to anyone? And this is straight from the official LDS website!!!
Glenn Beck is either LYING or is IGNORANT of Mormon history. In the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, section 132 deals with POLYGAMY ~~~ and is STILL IN FORCE TODAY (at June 2018).
"Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant and the principle of plural marriage. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, evidence indicates that some of the principles involved in this revelation were known by the Prophet as early as 1831. See Official Declaration 1.
1-6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7-14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15-20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21-25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26-27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28-39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40-47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48-50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51-57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58-66, Laws governing plural marriage are set forth.".
Joseph Smith states:
"For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.".
Section 132 is still in force, not only teaching polygamy, but ordering it! Note that it is an "everlasting covenant", i.e. it lasts forever, cannot be cancelled. You can read Section 132 here:
www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng
Brigham Young: "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 266).
He also stated: "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 269).
How, then, can the Mormon church say that it does NOT approve of polygamy today? /
Dr Spaseebo it doesn’t, it could change again one day, but today it is prohibited
Glen is just a preaching of half truths and half lies.
realy all lies first joe smith had 36 wives 11n the 1840s first lie second lie brignam young died long before spanish american war The book of morman is all lies dna has proven the people in the book of morman are not related
to the jews
After the first full blown lie about polygamy, I decided that it's pointless to continue listening to this video.
Polygamy wasn't practiced for any of the reasons he portrayed. After this was aired, the church finally admitted that Joseph Smith married at least 34 wives or more, after denying it and excommunicating members who exposed it for the past 175 years. Half of his wives were already married to other men who Joseph had sent on missions. Several were sister pairs, several were mother and daughter pairs. And a few were as young as 14. And yes, Joseph did have sex with these women. This is a big deal because Joseph denied this practice. In fact, it is one of the key parts of his life that sent him to the jail he was murdered in. He was arrested for ordering the destruction of the printing press called the Navoo Expositor, who's first issue exposed his polygamy practices. Joseph, as the self appointed mayor, declared it a public nuisance. Good to know that the still new US government at the time took the infringement of the 1st amendment seriously.
The church still very much believes in polygamy and that it will be practiced in the celestial kingdom or when worthy Mormons get their own planets.
Read the CES letter, which compiles most of the blatant and obvious lies regarding the foundation of the Mormon church. No investigator in their right mind would join the LDS church after knowing all of the lies and hypocracies that spew from the church and its leaders.
I consider getting out of the Mormon/LDS church - one of the best things I've ever been able to accomplish in my life.
He is absolutely talking in circles. What did Mary on Little House On The Prairie have to do with his point?
How did Glen get a hold of the original copy of the Executive Order?
Glen, I am glad you share this with the world. So many people don't understand the struggles that the saints went thru and the loses they had. Thank You for sharing the truth.
How can Christians possibly accuse Mormons of polygamy?
Such hypocrisy.
Every man of god in the Bible was a polygamist:
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon.
Especially Adam...he was the WORST! And Noah, with his 30-40 wives...
+David Brown
explain Abraham, Jacob,and the others?
David Brown
Solomon had 300 wives.
+Brainbuster
this guy only sees what he wants too. no use trying to help him understand and learn. he reverts to name calling and disrespectful comments like most of the others. have fun. im done here.
Eli Stoddard
Uh...they didn't even exist.
I don’t think the church practiced polygamy for this short time due to men dying.
I believe it was instruction from the Lord, as part of the restoration of all things, in preparation for the Second Coming of the Lord.
Hey glenn
Where's Kolob and what about Brigham Young saying he married indian women to "make them white and remove the curse of dark skin"
My grandma loves this guy and told me about him. Everyone else I spoke to had nothing good to say about him.
Turns out my old forgetful grandma's smarter than everyone else I spoke to. This guy is -so- frank and honest that it's hilarious! And yet every bit of it is true!
SSJ5Cloufiroth or maybe everyone else is smarter than you and grandma
Nah mate he's a fucking idiot. Sorry about your nan.
I am watching this in 2021, this is crazy to look back on because now you can make phone calls to your family and text messages on your mission.
Mr. Beck, is the idea here that LDS are devout? Muslims are devout as well. They pray 5 times daily. Does their devotion equal truth?
Do Moonies have a deeper understanding? They devote more time and energy than Mormons.
John 1 is pretty clear that all things were created through Jesus. How then is Lucifer his brother? Better yet Mormons, be honest and lead with this: explain how your main theological tenet is that God the Father had a body created by his god, through exaltation then became a god, had polygamist spirit wives, and he engaged in an incestuous creation of Jesus with his own daughter Mary.
I have been called a blasphèmer for calling out Joseph's Myth.
How about you? Are you willing to go on record stating that you are the brother of Jesus and not his creation? Read John chapter 1 before you get too angry with my comments or commit yourself to such a dogma.
Brock Ewell I agree 100 percent! Dieing for your beliefs doesn't make it true! Did Nazis dieing in WWII make them right? Do Muslums, killing and dieing for their beliefs, make them right??? While it may show commitment, it doesn't show godliness!
The whole dressing up like the 1800's thing is a red herring. I'm a Mormon. The truth is that the church did practice polygamy and it believed it to be required for the highest degree of salvation. The church still does practice polygamy, in the fact that we have eternal marriages and that one man can be married to more than one woman, as long as only one is alive. And women can't be married to more than one man. And polygamy was part of the reason why there was persecution.
Have you ever heard of Fannie Algers?
She’s the reason the commandment of polygamy started in your church.
Joseph Smith got caught by his wife and had the “revelation” of polygamy.
You’re such an intelligent person it amazes me how you can fall for this!!
He should study some Mormon history sometime.
Actually it was Joseph Smith who had a vision, where an angel with a sword, threatened to kill him unless he had multiple wives.
aftermathematics365 all of you think you k ow something. you would be embarrassed if you the truth about what your writing about. it's embacillic.
Shirley Sirman I'm just saying that if you look up "Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo" the LDS.org, the Latter Day Saints' website itself tells that an angel told Joseph Smith to take multiple wives.
aftermathematics365 It is true, I can affirm that statement is correct. If you look in D&C, or on LDS.org you will find it there.
they can send emails and updates to their families, but yes this is correct, the point of a mission was to completely devote one's life to the Lord for 2 years and to spread his love to everyone, I will be serving a mission myself in the next four months, and i know that this will be hard, however how can i feel unjustified with giving up only two years of my life when God has devoted his entire life for me? Plus i feel very blessed because in Jesus's day many missionaries left 4 much longer
If you gave me a gift, what would you think if I brought out my wallet to pay for it? You would be insulted, would you not? EVERY gift EVER given was paid for by the GIVER, and NOT the recipient. How do you think God feels when you refuse to accept that gift as it is? How do you think he feels when you try to pay for it?
Recieve the "free gift" of salvation. Receive Jesus.
I never knew Glenn was apostate and lost in the flase church of LDS. I will pray for him to come to know Christ.
I love it when Glenn talks about the Church.
This is a great snapshot of how a 'Cult' member justifies being in a cult. He pretends that his cult was, and is actively persecuted, for his/their beliefs. and That "you just don't understand, unless you where one of us." He is suffering for his beliefs just as Joseph Smith suffered having to sleep with all 40 wives. Just like the prophet suffered by having people join his religion and make him wealthy. He humbly named himself general and Mayor of his people.. Just like the poor suffering Glenn Beck suffers today with is millions of dollars, and national media reach, his books and speaking engagements and no one questioning his personal business, like how much money he is paid by interests he protects on his show? I cry with you Glenn, your are just as great a con-man as your "prophet". Bravo sir.
Patrick P Perhaps you should read about the Haun's Mill Massacre. And it wasn't the prophet who declared self-defense either. The issue was the LDS growth and their vocal opposition to slavery. It became like a the Salem Witch trials; if you're not liked just because, we'll defame you and kill you if necessary. You may want to take a look at the meaning of cult, as well. I think you'd be surprised to find everyone is involved in a cult in one way or another.
InevitableAlex1 1 lol that is a load of crap! But nice try. Just like today, The Mormons where laughed for being so gullible. as with today, it is easy to see this is a made up religion. Mormons would tell people in town what the prophet said and people would die laughing. The Kinder hook plates was a practical joke played on Joseph smith. A local townsmen created brass made up plates put symbols on them and told smith he found them. Joseph said that the plates where real and even translated them... The people laughed with glee as we should today..
What does any of that have to do with my reply? You appear to be grasping at straws, and it is sad.
2+2 is four. they where not persecuted. People laughed at them when they talked about kolob or whatever. Then that got back to joe, so joe put out info that god was going to start arnegeddon in Missouri and that Missouri was going to be cast into fire.. Just like the nerdy kids at every school yard ever does when being picked on.. So long story short joe put a silly hex and threatened the normal people, and they got pissed, as happens when that kid does that. The Mormons are a joke, always have been always will be.
America has never at any point in history persecuted any religion for no reason, no matter how strange. When your cult starts threatening normal citizens, creating its own army and you are talking of open rebellion yeah, that's when you got a problem bud. There has never been any persecution of the Mormons! They brought on themselves
The thing that always puzzled me about Glenn Beck IS the mere fact that he is Mormon. He preaches to be a seeker of truth, check the facts. Mormonism is the biggest fraud on earth and when you do your research it is so clear and obvious that is is false.
Tony Marinelli well he does lie several times in this video. Leaves information out, perturbs things to be one way, when they were the other.
Tony Marinelli No offense, but Mormonism is not the biggest fraud on earth for it is not a fraud. I have done the research and so have many others that I know, and most of us have been converted or believe in most of what "Mormons" believe in.
Payton Poppell umm it's definitely not the biggest fraud on earth, but it is definitely a fraud. Lose the Testimony goggles, and look at it from a rational standpoint and just see the facts. It's all there, everything wrong with Joseph Smith personally, the complete plagiarizing done to make the Book of Mormon( you know how many books from around the 1800s were ripped off into the Book of Mormon...and ofc the Bible itself written in KJV lol). Just the way the church uses its living prophets as a way to "talk to god" as an excuse for the necessary political and social changes that need to be made to the church to keep it more mainstream....polygamy, black priesthood....and now people are wondering if at any time in the next 50 years something about gays will be done.
Trust me when I say the church is declining in its growth rate. It's still growing yes, but that rate is dropping. You know what's really helping with that? The internet.
The church is smart, too. They've got themselves well invested with their money in businesses, real estate, etc. so that their reliance on the religion is becoming negligible.
In the Godfather, Michael Corleone deals with the fact that he has been born into a crime family and must live with that. He tries to get the family to go clean, to go West to Vegas and set up casinos where there is legal money to be earned. But the struggle of doing this costs him everything.
I'm sure you can see the similarity there, but I don't think there's any leadership in the Church who deals with such trying issues of a man's will.
Tony Marinelli yup
***** Very true
The only thing wrong with Glenn's touching account of polygamy is it doesn't account for why Joseph had 33 wives BEFORE the Mormons left for Utah. And it doesn't account for the fact that 11 of those 33 wives were ALREADY MARRIED TO OTHER LIVING MEN. See Todd Compton's book "In Sacred Loneliness" for the back story on each wife (Todd Compton is an LDS historian). Brigham had over 50 wives, while other men went without.
That's not the only thing wrong with his account. It's the tip o the iceberg.
The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints still practices polygamy to this day. My great grandfather,grandfather and father have two wives each. I am looking for my second wife.
I told my wife that I received a message from God, telling me to marry another one or two younger women. My wife slapped me upside the head. Either my wife is smarter than Joseph Smith's wife, or I am not as good a con artist as Joe was. It could be both.
Joseph Smith was not a con artist. Shame on you
@@charlenelundquist3512 He was. Seriously, do some research.
I have done research. I'm an old woman with a thirst for history. I've read lots of things about Joesph Smith and he was not a con man.
I dont know much about Mormanism, but Glen Beck is a man of his word, a man of truth, and loyal to God. 95% of America isnt. God Bless Glen Beck for being a light in these dark days!
To any Mormons who feel 'offended' by criticism, and say that folks should just 'let them be', well, that would be all very well, except the Mormons don't let everybody else 'be', with their constant proselytizing. On the occasions that I have had Mormon missionaries try to lay their spiel on me, I have not been rude, but I've given them both barrels with my challenges to the beliefs they feel free to peddle. And it doesn't take much thought to see the gaping holes in the Mormon story. Apart from strictly theological questions, anybody with the most passing acquaintance with pre-Colombian history can see the Book of Mormon for the fraud it is.
Critics don't offend me, they make me laugh. Your last sentence was a real knee-slapper. Of course, you probably say that about all the Christians around you that do the same thing. And then make fun of the Bible because of all the changes and inaccuracies only then to realize,"...huh, I guess the Book of Mormon isn't so unbelievable after all." The willfully ignorant are the funniest animal of all; yes you make me laugh.
jmhatutube The Bible certainly has its share of uncorroborated, and likely purely mythical, people and events. The Exodus and the census are two obvious examples among many.
And yet there is much in the Bible that can be corroborated by either archaeology or historiography.
Seek independent (ie non-LDS) corroboration of any 'event' recounted in the Book of Mormon, and the sad fact is you will encounter a great, big, yawning nothing. It's a pathetic and manifest fraud from cover to cover.
geoff2204 Of course that's not true, you just haven't looked hard enough or in the right places. But like atheist's dismissing biblical corroboration. you would probably dismiss what ever I brought up, regardless of whether it was non-LDS corroborated or not. If you truly want answers, you'll find them. If not, you won't.
jmhatutube I wouldn't 'dismiss' what you brought up. I would refute it, a very different thing, by citing scholarship from many different fields -- archaeology, anthropology, zoology, palaeontology, genetics, linguistics and more -- that reveals the stories of Joseph Smith to be what they are: fraudulent. The only way you can get around this evidence is with 'faith'. Not good enough for me, I'm afraid.
geoff2204 All that would do is create a back and fourth because what ever you seem to thing refutes the Book of Mormon is more of a lack of evidence than real evidence against. Then I would have to refute what you say, and we'd just go back and fourth. There are plenty of evidences supporting the Book of Mormon, but evidence isn't going to convince anyone on a subject that ultimately requires faith. Atheist regularly refute the Bible, does that mean you don't believe in the Bible? I personally thing the Bible has way more problems than the Book of Mormon. Many see the text its self as proof. The many hebraisms and complex chiasmus and a nearly perfect translation into hebrew are seen as more than enough evidence for the validity of the Book of Mormon. You say you have all these different approaches to refute the Book of Mormon, but are they any different than what has been said for the last 20, 50, 100 years? Because there are significant findings in recent years that put a lot of holes in old claims. Remind me, do you believe in the Bible? If so, how can you then turn around and cast aspersions on the Book of Mormon? This is quite perplexing. We know Joseph Smith himself couldn't have written it, it's far to complex and enough has been corroborated that weren't know during the time of Smith; yet the Bible has some sort authoritative superiority? That, just doesn't make sense.
The church does not give Glen Beck any money from these shows, he is doing it out of the goodness of his heart cause he's a great guy :)
I don't base my entire opinion on his religious belief. However for someone who I thought was into pure truths it blew my mind when I found out Glen Beck was a Mormon knowing that there are many things in the Mormon doctrine that are anti-biblical. and the Prophet Joseph Smith based on lifestyle and choices could not have been a prophet. No other prophet in history was guilty of is much sin. prophets are typically very good at obeying God. and they certainly do not teach against God's truths. Jesus and God are one in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and through the word all things were made. who is the word Jesus case closed.
Michael loving God
May I mention a few things about transmission? See, the Hebrew word for "God" is plural, uses plural pronouns, and refers to "God" "Jesus" and the "Holy Spirit" with different words (by the way, the Holy Spirit has feminine pronouns...). In the Greek translation, the word for "beginning" as in "in the beginning" carries the connotation of a hierarchal council. In fact, nowhere in the New or Old Testaments does it say God and Jesus are the same being. The Holy Trinity doesn't even exist in Christian philosophy until the Athenasian creed in 1642.
tessareea I appreciate your knowledge however of course John says in the beginning was the word and the Word was God and the Word was with God and through the word all things were made. Furthermore when a prophet or a specially when Angels came down to interact with human beings in the worship they told the human beings to stop worshipping them they were servants as well however when Jesus was worshipped as God he never once said do not view him as God. In fact he said I and the father are one. he said if you knew the father you would know him if you do not know him then you do not know the father. I believe it's a mere matter of misunderstanding from human beings. God is three just like we are Spirit soul and body. God works in threes quite often this is also known by anyone who really studies the Bible. nowhere in the New or Old Testament is Satan and Jesus put on the same playing field. Jesus was a servant of God on Earth demonstrating how we are supposed to live. Satan was an angel a servant for his entire existence. there are many other references to Jesus being God. Jesus is God in the flesh the holy spirit is it is the consciousness of God and God the father is the overall deity that encompasses everything light and life. the Bible says his name will be called Emmanuel God With Us. how do you deny all of these scriptures and act like the Bible is not calling Jesus God and not saying that God is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Bible even for tells that in the end the true gospel will be priest. If you are indeed a Mormon the Church of Latter Day Saints how do you not understand this concept that there are things that we will understand today that they did not understand during the time of Jesus and certainly not before then. seems pretty contradictory to me
Thank you glenn beck. you are my personal hero
According to the bible, Abraham Isaac and Jacob, were all polygamists and entered into their exaltation and glory sitting down with the Father and the Son. So polygamy in itself is not a sin, more likely the misunderstanding of men as to when it is authorized. I'm not for polygamy but I am for truth.
I can testify the truth of everything he has just said and i don't actually like Glenn Beck all that much. The missionaries changed my life and the complete gospel along with the Temple..
You have been duped
We must humble ourselves before The Lord before he humbles us. My question is who changed things? Who changed things from a fearless proclamation of the truth, whatever the cost or consequences, to a watered down compromised message that is afraid to offend anyone? Who changed things from “All who live godly lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution” ( 2 Tim. 3:12) to “Ask Jesus into your heart and enjoy a comfortable life”? Who changed things from “Leave everything and follow Me” ( Luke 14:33) to “Pray this little prayer and you’re set for eternity”? Who changed things from the people of God being a threat to the powers of darkness to the people of God being active participants in darkness? Who changed things from a God-centered faith to a man-centered faith, from take up your cross and deny yourself to bypass the cross and empower yourself? Why do we have to have other books that supplemented the Bible or traditions that superseded it. We should believe the Scriptures alone are God’s Word and that nothing that comes after the Scriptures no tradition, no alleged revelation, no consensus can undermine or countermand the written Word of God. Who changed things from holiness being beautiful to holiness being bondage, from the early church being known for its high standards to the contemporary church being known for its scandals? In the early church, Paul instructed the Corinthians to separate themselves from people who claimed to be believers but were living in outward, unrepentant sin. Today, some of those people lead our churches and preach from our pulpits. When did Jesus stop being enough? When did obedience become an option? So, who changed things from the biblical version of the Jesus faith to the modern American version? Unless we get back to believing what is written and acting on what is written, we will continue to perpetuate our merry-go-round Christianity with lots of noise and action and bells and whistles but with little authority, little purity and little effect. I'm sorry, but I didn’t get the memo that God’s Word and Spirit were not enough. A.W.Tozer once said “If the Holy Spirit was withdrawn from the church today, 95 percent of what we do would go on and no one would know the difference. If the Holy Spirit had been withdrawn from the New Testament church, 95 percent of what they did would stop, and everybody would know the difference.” I have been called a "Jesus freak and a religious nut" by friends and family. I have no religion. I have a savior. I have studied bible prophecy for over 30 years and have never seen them being fulfilled so fast. Society is rushing headlong into it's date with the antichrist. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God. He does not care about your rank or race. I will be concentrating on my You Tube ministry. In this stressful world in which we live, there is a resting place. Give your life totally over to him, He will protect you from the things that are to come. No one is as aware of injustice as the judge of all Jesus Christ. People get ready, Jesus is coming soon we'll be going home!
It's funny Glenn waters it down to make it sound good and not so far off the wall. I've studied Mormonism and yeah there is more to it then what Beck wants us to hear.
+matt tenet I think the same about anti's. You make everything sound so crazy with your sarcasm and wild tales.....your additions to truth or your skewing of it.
I LOVE GLENN BECK!
Glenn Beck, I love his opinion about the church when he discuss to his program, we are not perfect, maybe some people hate Glenn because of his religious beliefs, Thank you Glenn for your strong principle.
he lied completely about polygamy. joseph also partook of polyamorous relations too. come on glen, lets tell the truth if your going to tell about your faith
He also took polygamy in the Bible WAY out of context. Typical Mormon thing to do
Mormons like Old Testiment
Ronnie Gurule U have no idea what the truth is
Shirley Sirman it's documented that Joseph Smith has anywhere where 27-33 wives. Some as young as 14 & some were already married to other men.
D&C 132:58-66 CLEARLY documents this as celestial law. But Mormons always rationalize it & say it only applies to the early church history. Problem is, Mormonism claims to be a restoration of the gospel message. So, the idea that there's something to be contextually meticulous about is a VERY weak position to take.
Direct quote from Joseph Smith less than one month before he was killed: "What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers."
(History of the Church, vol 6, p. 411) Joseph Smith made this statement preaching from the stand to the Latter-day Saints in Nauvoo on Sunday May 26, 1844. At the time he had at least 34 wives. The statement was made less than one month before he was killed in a gunfight on June 27, This is one very obvious example of Joseph Smith's lying publicly.
Surely Glenn Beck knows this???
When the mob approached the cell, Joseph fired a pepperbox pistol into the crowd, wounding three men, probably killing at least one of them. (Dallin H. Oaks and Marvin S. Hill, Carthage Conspiracy, the Trial of the Accused Assassins of Joseph Smith).
NOTE>>> The LDS church has acknowledged Joseph Smith's polygamy (up to 40 wives)
www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng
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This admission was reported in The New York Times Nov. 10, 2014: "Mormon leaders have acknowledged for the first time that the church’s founder and prophet, Joseph Smith, portrayed in church materials as a loyal partner to his loving spouse Emma, took as many as 40 wives, some already married and one only 14 years old."
>>>>>> In the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, section 132 deals with POLYGAMY. The introduction reads:
"Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant and the principle of plural marriage. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, evidence indicates that some of the principles involved in this revelation were known by the Prophet as early as 1831. See Official Declaration 1:------
1-6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7-14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15-20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21-25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26-27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28-39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40-47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48-50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51-57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58-66, Laws governing plural marriage are set forth.".
Joseph Smith stated: "For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.".
Section 132 IS STILL IN FORCE, not only teaching polygamy, but ordering it! Note that it is an "everlasting covenant", i.e. IT LASTS FOREVER, CANNOT BE CANCELLED. You can read Section 132 here:
www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng
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How, then, can the Mormon church say that it does NOT approve of polygamy today? It is stuck with an "everlasting covenant" that cannot be cancelled ! /
For all people who think that Glenn is lying about his beliefs, he's not. I am a Mormon, and everything he said goes perfectly with what I believe. Many times, people assume were lying just because they don't hear what they WANT to hear. Instead we tell them what they NEED to hear, what we TRULY believe. Just because it doesn't conform with the many attacks and misconceptions about our religion does not make it a lie.
I'm LDS and we believe in polygamy. Why is it still in the doctrine and covenant s? So you're saying Joseph is a fallen prophet? Wow
Plural marriage was first introduced into Mormonism by Joseph Smith in the 1830's (see Topical Index: Jospeh Smith: Polygamy). It is a common misconception to think of the practice of polygamy as starting with Brigham Young and the Mormon's trip west. Even though Joseph Smith had already married several women, he did not dictate his famous revelation on eternal marriage and polygamy until 1843 (Doctrine and Covenants, section 132). By the time he died he had been sealed to at least 33 women. 1 1 In a Salt Lake Tribune review of Todd Compton's In Sacred Loneliness on Smith's polygamy we read:
In identifying 33 well-documented wives of [Joseph] Smith - other researchers have placed the figure as high as 48 - Compton found that in the case of 11 women, Smith's polygamy was polyandrous. That is, the women were married and cohabiting with their husbands, who mostly were faithful Mormons, when Smith married them.
Yet not one divorced her "first husband" when Smith was alive. Indeed, they continued to live with their civil spouses while married to Smith.
"If one superimposes a chronological perspective, one sees that of Smith's first 12 wives, nine were polyandrous...."
Compton, a practicing Mormon...spent much of the 1990's combing pioneer records, diaries and reminiscences....
Eleven of Smith's wives were between ages 14 and 20, nine were in their 20s, eight were in Smith's own peer group of 31 to 40, two were in their 40s and three in their 50s. . . .
Toward the end of Smith's life, knowledge of his secret marriages began to leak out. William Law, Smith's second counselor ... filed suit against the church leader for living 'in an open state of adultery' with 19-year-old Maria Lawrence.
In a speech a month before his death, Smith responded by flatly denying polygamy, which was illegal under federal law. "What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one," he said. (Salt Lake Tribune, December 13, 1997, p. C2. See Smith's entire speech in History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408-412.)
For the next fifty years the practice of plural marriage was considered essential to attain godhood. Brigham Young, second president of the LDS Church, declared "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p. 269, August 19, 1866).
Really why do so many of you care if others wish to be Mormon? Some of your comments are so crass.
Love this!
But didn't Brigham Young say something to the extent of if you don't have many wives you won't get into the highest part of heaven?
No, he said that if you don't believe, or criticize, what God commands, you are in danger of not getting into the Celestial Kingdom. If God commands plural marriage, you need to know it's from God, whether you practice it or not.
lindalds Oh I see! We are in "danger" of not getting into the celestial heaven. Much better.
Convanant Halfhand Oh, ok, I thought you were hung up on the "many wives" part, not the "Celestial Kingdom" part. My bad.
lindalds that's completely wrong, there's written evidence that young said that word for word. Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).
What!!! No
Here is the reason polygamy is an issue: Discourses of Joseph Smith, pg. 270; “Do the Mormons believe in having more wives than one?” No, not at the same time. But they believe that if their companion dies, they have a right to marry again.” Yet Joseph had as many as 33 wives, concurrently. The official history of the LDS admits that 8 of those women were still married to their husbands. So the founder of Mormonism, "God's prophet" was a hypocritical liar, and adulterer, and that's why polygamy is an issue!
While a Mormon would be excommunicated for practicing polygamy today, the command to engage in plural marriage is still included in modern editions of the Doctrine and Covenants. Section 132:4 declares: "For behold, *I reveal unto you a new and everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory*."
According to the introduction to volume 5 of the Documentary History of the Church (DHC), the revelation was written down in order to convince Smith's wife, Emma, of its authenticity. When exactly this "revelation" came to Joseph Smith is somewhat confusing. According to the same volume (5:501), Joseph Smith was given this revelation on July 12, 1843. However, the heading of section 132 states it was only recorded on that date only, for " *this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831*." It would seem that the latter would be more correct since D&C 132:52 records a warning to Smith's wife, Emma, to "receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph."
The real question is why was polygamy considered essential for exaltation in the early LDS Church while its practice today is grounds for excommunication?
Thank you Mr. Beck. That was very uplifting! I don't know so many people have left such critical comments below!
Glenn, you drank the "Cool Aid".
How foolish you must feel with the admission of the many wives of Joseph Smith.
Not exactly as you describe it.
Glenn, it you believe the story of early Mormon polygamy so easily, I wonder if you did any research on the religion at all.
Also if you are so quick to believe what anyone tells you, why should anyone believe anything you say about other subjects???
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Yeah, this is brutal. Painful to watch such a smart guy on worldly things, allow his brain to be sucked dry the Mormon borg.
Did I actually watch Glenn Beck for 23 minutes of my life.
+فيصل محمد Faisal Yes.
You send me to Wikipedia? Really? What was that for?
+Jarod Rodriguez Who sent you to Wikipedia?
ugh, i did too and now I'm sick, lol
FYI: It was still legal to kill a Mormon on sight in the state of Missouri until 1985.
Nope I think 1976 they changed the law. A GOV put this order out yes an elected official think I trust GOV far more than propaganda LDS spew. If Warren Jeffs tried taking over Nevada and tried to become a leader of NV put hit on Gov sure same result would happen.
Good
Read Joseph's and Brighams writings. That's not exactly how it happened. I love Glenn but the narrative about polygamy due to persecution is completely false.
the extermination order actually originated with the MORmONS, it was originally issued by MORmON leaders on residents of Missouri. It irritated the governor of Missouri to the extent that he just changed the target and officially re issued it.
I’m truly disappointed in Glen Beck! He has no idea of the church history. He is reciting the white washed version the Brethren have taught, which is completely deceptive. I guess defrauding the government with shell companies….tax fraud! Being fined 5 million dollars is the Mormon Gods way! Look up the Meadow Mountain massacre! Oath of revenge in the temple…to avenge the prophet JS! All break a way Mormons came from Joseph Smith and his teachings! JS is responsible for all of them! There is over 100 of them! Many are trafficking women and children! Look into it! CES letter…
Such a lie about polygamy. Polygamy is at the core of what mormons believe.
Natasha... Please repent and return to God. You will always be my 3rd wife
Beck, you are wrong my friend. Joseph was a false prophet and committed polyandry as well. You are always crying for the truth, but you fail to truly test your facts. This is an occult
He knows more facts than you....
Willy Martin Wrong
Well yeah he actually did get the history completely wrong. Some of what he said was true but he didn't mention that being a polygamous is in Mormon Doctrine and that Joseph Smith was a polygamist. He also left of the fact that Joseph Smith would promise salvation to the families of daughters to marry them. He actually kind of fudged that entire issue and what it means to the history of Mormons and what they believe to be true and the word of God.
Rick McGhee Ignorant
For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. - 2 Corinthians 11:13-14
Mormons claim to be Christian, but follow a different god. They follow one that was once a man on another planet that earned his way to god-hood. This is a lie and has led many astray.
>>Mormons claim to be Christian, but follow a different god. They follow one that was once a man on another planet that earned his way to god-hood. This is a lie and has led many astray.
lindalds , so just say it. Do you believe differently? Was Brigham Young lying when he said, "Then will they become Gods...they will never cease to increase and to multiply, worlds without end. When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God”?
Stephen Corson So, which God do you pray to? The one that was once a man prior to becoming a god?
itssoEC >>Was Brigham Young lying when he said, "Then will they become Gods>
itssoEC or the mass of invisible ectoplasm floating around in space?
Really appreciated this video.
The Book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith in March 1830. Smith claims that the prophet who last contributed to the work returned to earth as an angel and told him where to find it. This angel then helped Smith translate the work from “reformed Egyptian” characters into English. However, no such ancient language has ever existed.
The "magic underwear" is not complicated. It's just that if you wear it, and then avoid showing it, you will almost certainly be dressed in a decent and modest manner.
Well- it's actually a little more complicated than that. The markings on the garments borrowed from the Freemasons remind the initiated of some specific promises they make in the temple related to these specific markings and more broadly to the covenants/promises they make in the temple ritual.
Stephen Corson Well I suppose you could show me how I am full of crap if you comment had any actual facts behind it. I assume you have issues with my claim that the marking on the garments are Masonic in origin- and they clearly are. Look on the back on any Cadillac owned by a Freemason and the masonic seal has a square and compass on it. Any endowed Mormon knows those are on the LDS garment as well. In Nauvoo Joseph Smith became a master mason and then 6 short weeks later came out the endowment ceremony complete with the garment. I suggest you do some homework. Once you do it will amaze you who it is who is full of crap...as it were.
The Woodruff Manifesto (Official Declaration No. 1, available on the church website) only prohibits polygamy where it violates the civil law. Mormons have no moral objection polygamy if it is legal.
Actually, I think the church does expect monogamy in all their couples.
lindalds I am not sure about that. An LDS man may take on another wife for eternity on the death of the first, second, third wife etc...as long as they are not alive and married at same time. However, a woman can only be married for eternity to only one man. My grandmother never remarried after the death of my grandfather. I actually asked her about that, and she never responded, as I noticed that a lot people I knew had remarried after the death of a spouse.
MrJamesBecca None of my family were/are LDS, except my husband and kids.
My grandfather died when he was about 58 or so. My grandmother lived on for another 30some years, and never remarried. Some people just don't or can't get remarried.
And some have decided that one marriage is plenty.
lindalds I think it was because she wanted to be faithful to her dead husband. With a doctrine like eternal marriage, one could actually commit adultery when ones husband is dead. But with a man this is permitted, a woman its not.
Hey Glenn Beck! Explain the law of consecration. Or how the Mormons lived as a society in Joseph Smith's time. Then look up socialism or Marxism.
Socialism is legalized theft, They take from one to give to another. Consecration is giving voluntarily for the collective good. Big difference.
Right. Do your research. Its the same thing.
Everyone collectively contributes to society to take care of each other. Isn;t that what the early mormons did, and what Jesus would want? In fact Mormons practice socialism. That's what tithing is and volunteering time for home teaching and sunday school and helping each other move. And where does that tihing money go? To advocate for anti-gay rights and millions dollar malls in Utah. But mormons are hypocrites. They don't want to support universal health care but they'll happily help someone in the ward move their possesions from one big house to another, because they'll be blessed for it. Bunch of schmucks. So ignorant too.
tithing goes towards to the poor and needy, mormon helping hands, pay for churches and temples, keeping churches and temples clean/maintenance and many more. when a disaster happens, the church is normally the first ones to aid and help. as to funding anti-gay rights it was explained here their reasoning edition.cnn.com/2015/01/27/us/mormon-church-lgbt-laws/
nothing wrong here, the church has beliefs, their beliefs is against same sex marriage so what do you think they would do? doing more nit picking than anything.
No it isn't the same. 1 big difference called common consent. You don't want to be a part of it, you are not forced to. Consent and choice is what differentiates Charity from Socialism/Marxism/Communism.
It's sad that Americans are so anti socialist ideas that you won't actually educate yourselves. Outside of FOX news. Certain aspects of socialism, which is a part of Canada and other European countries, is for the greater good. You chip in to help each other out in certain areas, most commonly health care. The law of consecration says that everyone chips in to help each other out with many more aspects of life such as sharing food. Nothing wrong with that either. But Mormons are such hypocrites because they draw near to God and jesus with their mouths but not with their hearts. ADo you really think Jesus, the supposed head of the church doesn't want all people to have access to healthcare without the stress of debt or potential of dying because they can;t afford it, when other people can. This is one of the reasons I left the church. Because you guys ara A) ignorant and B) hypocrites. You think the Gospel is about reading the scriptures, attending church, preaching the book of Mormon, going on missions and helping a fellow member move. That's the extent of most service from most members. What did Jersus say to the rich man in the bible? You know that story. Everyone knows that story. So why can;t you accept that it's a good idea to give a little so less fortunate people can have a better quality of life. And who know's, you or a loved one will be in that situation one day. Back to common consent. You're commanded to pay tithing or you will burn if you don't. An actual teaching from Jospeh Smith. How about His 40 wives? Did Heber C Kimballs 14 year old daughter consent to marrying a 40 year old man? Doubt it. But that's the part of socialism that Jospeh practiced that is that part everyone fears of happening. A leader abusing his authority.
I don't know where Glen goes to church but he is getting seriously mixed up here. Most scholars have refuted the idea that Polygamy was the result of too many women left alone due to persecution where male lives were lost, it sounds like it was because of convenience not revelation. But the major problem here is he mentioning the Spanish American War ---Spain had nothing to do with the early history of the church!!. Spanish - American war did not happen during Brigham's live (1898) You are getting mixed up with the Mexican - American War (1846). Not a good way to start because people would think he is an ignorant and he does not know what he is talking...other than that he is bold and is trying to dispel the stereotype
Not at all, just overt spam, morally or intellectually dishonest comments, as well as death threats. One example, folks with several accounts who argue with themselves I typically delete. The reason to post these vids on RUclips is to have a discussion & debate. Yet, being this is vid is of a religious nature there must be a basic level of moral & intellectual honesty.
He must feel dumb after the Church essays came out.
The only thing warren jeffs did was follow in the footsteps of joseph smith.
Mormons are a fascinating people. Honorable, loving, charitable, intelligent, witty and 100% completely brainwashed and living in total delusion
except there is NO MARRIAGE IN HEAVEN
i am a liberal mormon and i dont like GB's politics much, but I respect him so much for standing for something! u dont have to agree, but at least respect and move on.
Every time I run onto Glenn Becks program, and I here the tag," The truth lives here, "I want to vomit.. He speaks of truth, but he needs to start researching his belief system as much as he does the bits for his show. Because when it comes to his confessed knowledge of Mormonism, he either doesn't know much, or he knows too much, and can't gracefully back out of it.
Glenn, I listened to you because I respect you. I've defended you for many years even against my own friends. If anyone can put a good face on Mormonism it is you, and you did that. I believe you spoke every word from your heart. For the first time since I've known you, I have to say with a heavy heart. On this one, you are dead wrong. Your Mormon faith stands or falls on whether Joseph Smith was a true prophet or a charlatan. I know you will agree with that. You have at your disposal some of the greatest researchers that have served you well in all your programming. Would you give them permission to do a non-biased investigation into the true nature of Joseph Smith? It is no easy task to tell someone you love and respect that the very foundation of your faith is a fake. My question to you, Glenn, is this. Do you love Jesus more than you love Joseph Smith? May God bless you my friend. You have truly been a blessing to me. Frank
First, there is no unbiased research into the character of Joseph Smith. You either love him or hate him.
Second, no one in our church loves Joseph Smith, or any prophet, or anyone, more than we love Jesus Christ.
lindalds Obviously you are not Glenn Beck. My friend would not leave such a cold answer after a loving inquiry. But thank you anyway. Frank
.Run the proof by me again of the existence of the Invisible man in the sky?
Might the "proof" also apply to Zeus or Odin as well? - or vampires and demons?
And which group of Christians are "saved" while other groups are going to hell?
Seems if the Bible is absolute true -there are a lot of ways make it mean what ever you want it to mean.
Anybody who has *not* gone to our church with the sincere wish to truly learn what we sincerely believe- I sincerely say this- *Stop talking like you know what we believe*.
As a church that was organized in America (When the First Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights was still respected), we have a RIGHT- let me repeat that- *A RIGHT* to say what we believe in as much as you do! And the people loyal to the church believe in it as much as you atheists don't! You have NO right to hinder the practice of others' beliefs. Do we, as a church, go mobbing public schools, holding up unkindly worded protest signs, shouting unfriendly remarks when a teacher doesn't believe in God,, miracles, gender roles, or anything else Christian? No. So don't do anything similar to us. You are a bigot in the most grammatically true sense of the word if you will treat others with such unfair intolerance just because you don't agree with them!
We know what we believe. You can't read minds. Stop acting like you do. Go to an active Latter-Day-Saint, and ASK them what they believe. They will tell you. Have any questions about our church on matters/information that disturb you? Ask the church's members- not extremely unfair, unkind, biased websites, books, media, or individuals! We have a LOT of material to our beliefs- it will take time to look through all of them and understand them- but give it everything you've got before jumping to any conclusion. Our church has a centrally planned organization, and it has services for answering non-member's questions.
Also, in the church's history, LOTS of unfair, extravagant lies have been spread about our church by ex-members (many who were excommunicated for good reasons) and other biased so-called Christians (Who in practice did very UN-Christian things) and neighbors. So don't ever believe the first disturbing "fact" about Mormons that hits your ears: It is unlikely to be true- and if it is true, and bothers you- go ask respectfully for an explanation. You want Mormon beliefs? Here is a good start: from the website that any good Mormon goes to for information:
www.lds.org/general-conference/2009/10/safety-for-the-soul?lang=eng
www.lds.org/topics/atonement-of-jesus-christ?lang=eng
Most of us went there and learned the lies for decades. Then the church admitted some of the lies in their essays and we began to learn a lot more.
Mormons know SHIT about their religion.
David Brown Who in the church? Ex- Mormons? You have no substantiation for your claim- People have been spreading lies about our church from the very beginning. and I KNOW what *I* believe in, thank you very much.
Have you even read the essays? Nearly every anti-mormon 'lie' ever told has been confirmed as truth by the church. www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng
David Brown Did you read that page? It was to *clarify* information and misconceptions about the church, not "Admit the doctrinal incorrectness of the church". The church has a system in place for the excommunication of members who have committed serious offenses against the laws of God and, in some cases- the government. That means that no member of this church is considered to be automatically "qualified" as righteous. I even learned in my seminary class that a group of people with such a mindset were told to repent. Indeed, we do often stress that the Savior, Jesus Christ, is our one and only perfect example.
We- The *members* of the church- are not perfect- and any member of this church who thinks they are qualified for the highest degree of glory in heaven for simply becoming a member of the church either does not understand the church's doctrine on salvation, is spreading lies with destructive or prideful intent, or is simply parroting lies. However, I do firmly believe that God has ordained this *church organization* to be his one and only true church on the Earth- and that the *commandments, laws, and doctrines* we have are indeed from the mouth of God himself or his true, ordained servants. All members of our church- from the ones with the least to the most authority- are a work in progress.
And sometimes, God gives us commands that even *we* don't understand at the time they're given- or particularly want to do- such as plural marriage. But, as Abraham was willing to obey the command to kill his long-waited-for and much loved son, Isaac- and was blessed for his obedience to God- so do we (some of us) still follow God's commandments for all their difficulty. But, it wouldn't be surprising if many- given the same commandment from God that Abraham was given- would refuse to obey, or even fight against God for the commandment. Others still, can be misguided, and even Judas, one of the original twelve apostles- betrayed Jesus for temptation. God's chosen individuals can become God's fallen, perditious individuals- and much of the history of our church attests to that.
God doesn't need us to become missionaries if all he wanted was for the people of the world to be baptized in his church- if that were the case, he would have come down himself and revealed to the world the name of the true church in person. But- he wants his flawed, young, ugly-duckling children to become swans, like him. And to do that- they need a reason to become swans- because in the spiritual world- an ugly duckling can become either an ugly duck or a swan by choice. It isn't automatic. So he teaches and tests us with the patience of a perfect father, and will trust us with more responsibilities as we grow, so we can grow more. And he also tries our faith- or abiding trust and hope in Christ and his Atoning Sacrifice. People can of course, give up these responsibilities at any point in development for various reasons, and disobey God's commandments- which were made for our eternal joy.
I attest that the church itself is not wrong- but that the individuals who God entrusts it to are flawed. I have already argued enough online for the sake of what I truly believe in- I have no intention of arguing with you more. I hold firmly to my belief- and I will let nothing sway me from it.
Edit:I am done commenting.
I hope you may come to find why I love my church so much. But it is still your decision to make on what you believe. I leave my words with you in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
Sure Joey had dozens of wives including the wives and teen daughters of his followers, but it was for holy purposes like having little or no additional children.
Sure Joey pulled the Book of Mormon out of a hat, but talking to magic rocks was normal back then.
Sure the Book of Abraham papyri have nothing to do with Abraham and all the facsimiles are 100% false but maybe god lied to Joey and the Book of Abraham came through direct revelation instead.
1886 Brigham Young: "The only men who become Gods, even Sons of Gods, are those who enter into Polygamy." Journal of Discourses 11:269.
+Jay Lexter Journal of Discourses is not considered doctrine. If you go on ldsdotorg you'd know this for yourself. People always think they know our faith better than we do. Sorry. You don't. You never will understand our faith until you read the Book of Mormon completely.
+GTime “GL136AK” L - I could say the same to you about true Christianity (which JSmith said was an abomination). You have no idea about it until you actually get saved and dedicate your life to the real Jesus Christ. BTW, I don't need to go to the dump to know it stinks. SO you are denying that Mormons claim to get their own planet and become a god if they were good enough on earth? There are PLENTY of false teachings and doctrines in your movement which i'm sure you would not deny since they are recorded in your writings and affirmed by your so-called prophets. You are in a cult.
In light of all this talk regarding executive order #44 (around 5 minutes in), I would be interested in knowing your view on the Mountain Meadows Massacre.