My quick first impressions of the Talaria -I'm not noticing any issue yet with the rear shock bushing so not sure if they updated that or just lucky. -Seems to be lots of grease spilling out around the neck bearings as well but we will see once I open it up. -The rear peg mount hole has changed at least on my batch of bike - so the current gritshift peg brace doesn't fit without a bit of modification. -Battery box will have to be modified to keep the battery from shifting around. -The front fender shipped with DNM fork is actually a decent fender with some coverage so at least theres that. -Throttle doesn't feel as smooth as the surron, and I'm not just talking about power delivery I just mean it almost feels cheap in construction compared to the surron. Hopefully theres some options for that soon, unless again its just luck of the draw. -Fit and finish other than the throttle/start button housing is on par or above the surron. -Feels like a bigger bike than the surron - wider and a bit taller. -Last and I would say the thing I hate most about the Talaria is the seating position. You'd think they would have changed it but the angle is brutal. The surron suffers from this as well but not as bad. I stand 90% of the time anyway so it's not a huge deal but the angle of the seat is so ridiculous with stock fork/19" front tire. If you look at all the modern mx bikes you'll see the flatter the seat the better. Interesting design for sure. Anyone considering buying one of these though set your expectations accordingly. I knew what I was buying having a surron in the past. These are still Chinese quality bikes. I love mine, but just know if you are coming from the motocross/motorcycle space these are not full out dirtbikes and will require a good amount of $ to hold up like one if used the same way.
Re reading my post and it sounds like I'm shitting on it LOL - but that's not the case. I could write 5 times the amount of positives - just commenting after watching the video! Love the bike and I loved the surron as well for what it is.
Great comments! Glad to see they are making updates. I really didn’t realize how “new” these things were when I ordered it. Overall I’m super happy with it. I rode probably 40 miles over 2 days this last weekend and my ass is sore. Like rubbed raw sore. Be careful;). I was almost screaming taking a shower Saturday night🤣
@@BrettDavis514 ha ha. No you are not trashing it;). Everything in life has its flaws. It’s great to talk about them because that’s the first step to fixing or modding it;)
@@OregonMotorcycle That means you've been going over a lot of bumps, so if you wanna save your ass some pain then lower your tire pressure. I'm assuming if you own a Surron then you bought the Luna seat with the white stitching and if you own the Talaria your seat should be good enough but you'll still need to reduce the PSI to 22-28, depending on your tires and feel what works for you. The more you lower it the more it'll reduce your rolling distance and add more cushion. When I had 22+ psi I felt my shinko 244 tires mold to the surface instead of giving me a jolt and it's supposedly safer for the tubes so you'll avoid an air leak. My friend got a new Surron and took it off-roading once, got a slow leak in the tube without any puncture to the tire. I assume he had 28+ psi since it was new so that's always bad for off-roading, it also reduces your grip since it doesn't mold itself at all to the surface with a high psi. Results may vary depending on your tire rubber rigidity, width, weight etc... and with these bikes your only options are STOCK, SHINKO 241, SHINKO 244 and a few other similar tires. Every tire feels different because of the criteria's I mentioned. Extra tip: You can stand or use your legs to lift your weight before hitting bumps to avoid chafing and stand once in a while to give yourself a break. Note: If you sit down and feel your butt burning then you'll need 1-2 days to let your skin heal so don't expect this to heal you but after I lowered my PSI I didn't feel anymore burning.
Great video Mr OM!! What i love about these new super light E Bikes is, as your video clearly shows, you can ride them in tight spaces and quiet places where you just would not ride a conventional motorbike or even electric motorcycle (unless of course you are James Bond shooting the opening scene :)
The issues certainly should have been addressed before it left the factory but except for parts availability should be relatively easy to remedy. I have a SurRon and want to do some upgrades.
Sounds like roughly the same issues with the sur ron. Garbage forks, garbage rear shock, trash bearings, initial build assembly is bad, stock motor controller sucks.
Front killah shock. Junk. My rear bushings are tight tho. No loose bolts, BUT over tight for sure!! It was a chore to swap my rear sprocket. I have just over 130mi on my bike. And I did not get any manual for the bike. At all!!
Yeah I didn’t get a manual either. I found one online for 2021 for Australia…. static1.squarespace.com/static/60b878075c4e06485877b540/t/61d8e76c55b23e7930470951/1641605028126/OWNERS+MANUAL.pdf Is your battery rattling around?
They named them Killah for a reason. Seriously don't jump with that fork. I never rode mine too hard but they were bent when I replaced them. Plus all the slop, bad valving and I still need to get my 7/8 socket back.
@@user-FishermanRick yea. If any other options were available I would of got them. I added a stiffer spring, and jump it everyday. Send it till she breaks!!!
Very nice Ive had myn for 5 days I like it so far, my only complaints is lack of power, dinky pegs, and uhhh I got nothing else at the moment lol Nice video man!
Lack of power? If you have the second shipment of the bike, you may have to cut a wire. The first batch didn't need to, but there's definitely a ton of power on these things!
Hey bro, sweet video yet again! My i totally agree with you on all of these issues. I haven't noticed the rear suspension bushing, but I also had extremely tight bolts (also noticed mounds of locktight on them tho... lol) & some loose. My front forks also started sticking, so I may try that method, but I do plan on putting 65cc dirtbike forks on it so it can handle jumps better.
Yeah so look into the KX 85 front end. Talked to a guy in Portland who just got his. Another shop said cut the BS and go straight to this set up. Pretty much a direct bolt on. But adds 15-20 lbs. pretty sure I’ll be looking into this after a power upgrade. My fiancé also wants to buy one, but we’re trying to get a house too;). She said she’ll buy one with the better fork and give it to me. Maybe that’ll happen this year, not sure tho.
Oh yeah I did the shock mod (3/4” socket) and I use the fork oil. Seems to help a lil bit. I’m also trying to find out if these shocks have foam wipers inside. That’s supposed to really help too.
@@OregonMotorcycle that would be so badass. I was thinking the 65 shocks to get rid of some of that extra weight up front & so it wasn't as tall, but maybe it would be worth it. Thanks for the info man & good luck with the house!!! Hopefully she does get one soon, that'd be super cool to ride together!
Nice vid! Note: My DMN has a nice front fender... feel free to check my video if you want to see.. Mine: 1. Rusting bolt heads 2. Battery bouncing around 3. Dead-zone at start of throttle 4. Long-term reliability... (cost a lot - hope it lasts!)
My DNM on surron was terrible after 5-6months😭?? Very bad on small bricks/bumps and only worked ok-ish on big bumps/jumps they literally stopped moving bro😬!! Not to bad for the price if you’re willing to maintain/cahange oil + lubricate every 4-6 months👍
cool video dude, looking hard at talaria/surron right now. I'm tall and heavy the talaria has a better out of box setup for me but the surron has the aftermarket support so its a toss up at the moment, definetly want to get over to luna cycles someday and get a pro opinion.
I'm stuck between them too . but talaria is definitely calling me more. i they've even realised pedal conversion now so loads more upgrades will be out very soon
I know this comment is Debbie downer, but complaining about how something is built at the factory is what newbs do. Checking fasteners and lubrication on a new “bike” shouldn’t be an afterthought. It should be common practice. I’ll bet even the manual says to do that out of the box. So the title of this video is clickbait. Nothing wrong with the bike, just some user error.
can i just ask you what you use for a microphone setup in your helmet? it works amazing at keeping out all other noises, and it doesnt screw with your voice that much either!
Stock Sena mic ran into my GoPro. It sounds so good because I’m using the noise canceling software from the Sena. I’ve made video’s on this, tell people all the time. It’s so easy to do and the sound is recorded to the GoPro so there’s zero mixing to do. I guess people don’t want to cut their 5 dollar mic wire;)
@@OregonMotorcycle ah yes I have a gopro 8 but it's a horrible quality solution for using the mic input on it, I see you have a 5 in your specs, probably the last good one they made. I need to get a sena headset soon!
@@smiththers2 no you can use the mic adapter on the 8 too. The same one I’m using. If you look close in my vids you’ll see it strapped to the mount. Buy that for 50 bucks then tie that into the com unit.
The foot peg bracket on mine are extremely over tightened. I'll have to get out the breaker bar tonight. I also noticed I can't put the peg brace on the back hole. It's much more narrow, and if I put it in the middle I have to have the pegs in the front position, but there is no alignment dow for the front position on the right side. 🤷
Yup just went through this with gritshift - they've changed the design slightly on the newer batch bikes and the rear hole is smaller unfortunetly. But you can either drill it out, wait until they make a revised version or make your own. I'm just going to make it work because I will bend these pegs immediately jumping it lol.
@@rooterad9042 dude those Allen bolts are not easy to get out. To be honest I’m not sure it’s even because they are torqued down super hard, it almost seemed on mine that there was a bit of corrosion causing them to be more difficult to get out. I mean they do spend months in a container coming from overseas. Try heating them up. I used a long bar and was lucky not to strip them out. Took a lot of force.
I broke my 5mm allen socket Craftsman trying to loosen the footpeg bracket bolts. I'm afraid of stripping or breaking off the bolt. I'm soaking with Liquid Wrench. It's risky using a long breaker bar or impact wrench. Totally sucks as I bought the Gritshift brace and can't use it.
@@zeroboyrick1717 actually a battery operated impact would be your best bet. An impact uses small taps at a high rate to make torque. Perfect for breaking bolts/nuts loose. Not so good for tightening. Heat works well too. I have a video somewhere of my buddy helping me with a stripped drain plug. Heat and hitting the bolt straight on did the trick.
How is that 80/100-19 tire? I live in Clackamas County too so I know it's a nasty time of the year for a tire test. Traction, side grip, knob height, weight? It's a great size for a stock battery Surron. This 90/100-18 MX33 at 5 psi is great for single track with the 72V but it really slows down the stock battery for just dinking around on the property.
Meh. It’s ok. I have a huge Kenda Trak master on it now. It’s a lil too much for the stock power. I also mounted a 21” front Dunlop MX 53. That thing is a monster. No traction issues. Love that tire, but the back is a lil much. I take it have a Surron? Let’s ride! 😎
It does feel that way. The faster you go, the less response there is. I just think that is related to power though. I mean how fast can 8 hp move 300lbs from 25mph to 35mph? I just got done running this bike against a 125cc dirt/pit bike on an open type of single track. My Talaria was over geared for the track (never hit top speed), but those bikes were neck and neck as far as power goes. The pit bike is about 30-40 lbs lighter, but the rider was 30 lbs heavier than me….
Ya thats how electric motors work, all instant torque. Than kind of gutless around mid range speed. Still fun and there is a company throwing 72v battery's with upgraded computers. So lots of speed to come if you got the $$$$
Pros and cons, the gear drive is awesome no worry of a broken belt. Today the biggest difference is the aftermarket, you can build some incredible machines off the Surron platform. It's going to take years for aftermarket to catch up to Talaria. If you like stock bikes buy a Talaria, if you like to build modified machines buy surron.
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My quick first impressions of the Talaria
-I'm not noticing any issue yet with the rear shock bushing so not sure if they updated that or just lucky.
-Seems to be lots of grease spilling out around the neck bearings as well but we will see once I open it up.
-The rear peg mount hole has changed at least on my batch of bike - so the current gritshift peg brace doesn't fit without a bit of modification.
-Battery box will have to be modified to keep the battery from shifting around.
-The front fender shipped with DNM fork is actually a decent fender with some coverage so at least theres that.
-Throttle doesn't feel as smooth as the surron, and I'm not just talking about power delivery I just mean it almost feels cheap in construction compared to the surron. Hopefully theres some options for that soon, unless again its just luck of the draw.
-Fit and finish other than the throttle/start button housing is on par or above the surron.
-Feels like a bigger bike than the surron - wider and a bit taller.
-Last and I would say the thing I hate most about the Talaria is the seating position. You'd think they would have changed it but the angle is brutal. The surron suffers from this as well but not as bad. I stand 90% of the time anyway so it's not a huge deal but the angle of the seat is so ridiculous with stock fork/19" front tire. If you look at all the modern mx bikes you'll see the flatter the seat the better. Interesting design for sure.
Anyone considering buying one of these though set your expectations accordingly. I knew what I was buying having a surron in the past. These are still Chinese quality bikes. I love mine, but just know if you are coming from the motocross/motorcycle space these are not full out dirtbikes and will require a good amount of $ to hold up like one if used the same way.
Re reading my post and it sounds like I'm shitting on it LOL - but that's not the case. I could write 5 times the amount of positives - just commenting after watching the video! Love the bike and I loved the surron as well for what it is.
Great comments!
Glad to see they are making updates.
I really didn’t realize how “new” these things were when I ordered it.
Overall I’m super happy with it.
I rode probably 40 miles over 2 days this last weekend and my ass is sore. Like rubbed raw sore. Be careful;). I was almost screaming taking a shower Saturday night🤣
@@BrettDavis514 ha ha. No you are not trashing it;). Everything in life has its flaws. It’s great to talk about them because that’s the first step to fixing or modding it;)
@@OregonMotorcycle That means you've been going over a lot of bumps, so if you wanna save your ass some pain then lower your tire pressure. I'm assuming if you own a Surron then you bought the Luna seat with the white stitching and if you own the Talaria your seat should be good enough but you'll still need to reduce the PSI to 22-28, depending on your tires and feel what works for you. The more you lower it the more it'll reduce your rolling distance and add more cushion. When I had 22+ psi I felt my shinko 244 tires mold to the surface instead of giving me a jolt and it's supposedly safer for the tubes so you'll avoid an air leak. My friend got a new Surron and took it off-roading once, got a slow leak in the tube without any puncture to the tire. I assume he had 28+ psi since it was new so that's always bad for off-roading, it also reduces your grip since it doesn't mold itself at all to the surface with a high psi. Results may vary depending on your tire rubber rigidity, width, weight etc... and with these bikes your only options are STOCK, SHINKO 241, SHINKO 244 and a few other similar tires. Every tire feels different because of the criteria's I mentioned.
Extra tip: You can stand or use your legs to lift your weight before hitting bumps to avoid chafing and stand once in a while to give yourself a break.
Note: If you sit down and feel your butt burning then you'll need 1-2 days to let your skin heal so don't expect this to heal you but after I lowered my PSI I didn't feel anymore burning.
Great video Mr OM!! What i love about these new super light E Bikes is, as your video clearly shows, you can ride them in tight spaces and quiet places where you just would not ride a conventional motorbike or even electric motorcycle (unless of course you are James Bond shooting the opening scene :)
Ha ha. Thanks!
The issues certainly should have been addressed before it left the factory but except for parts availability should be relatively easy to remedy. I have a SurRon and want to do some upgrades.
Good thing I came across this video, because this is the one I was planning to buy. Thanks for the honesty, this is a great review!
Thanks! I’d still buy this over a Surron;)
Just got mine from the FedEx guy. It’s in the back of my truck right now. Going to put it together with my brothers this afternoon!
Leave brake sensors hooked up in case it’s speed locked!!
Sweet! Congrats!
@@jondoe6618 yes im interested to see if its governed. I plan on leaving it box stock for a little bit at least lol
@@nickolaslandon4640 I doubt it lol. I said the same. I did NOT.
Thanks for the video. What shocks and bearing do you recommend? Already started down the upgrade trail. Any other must upgrades you recommend?.
Great video! I am interested in getting a Talaria...do you happen to recommend any shops in Oregon in particular as a reliable retailer?
Sounds like roughly the same issues with the sur ron. Garbage forks, garbage rear shock, trash bearings, initial build assembly is bad, stock motor controller sucks.
Front killah shock. Junk. My rear bushings are tight tho. No loose bolts, BUT over tight for sure!! It was a chore to swap my rear sprocket. I have just over 130mi on my bike. And I did not get any manual for the bike. At all!!
Yeah I didn’t get a manual either. I found one online for 2021 for Australia….
static1.squarespace.com/static/60b878075c4e06485877b540/t/61d8e76c55b23e7930470951/1641605028126/OWNERS+MANUAL.pdf
Is your battery rattling around?
@@OregonMotorcycle Weird myn came with a manual but was the batch that shipped out for late march.
They named them Killah for a reason. Seriously don't jump with that fork. I never rode mine too hard but they were bent when I replaced them. Plus all the slop, bad valving and I still need to get my 7/8 socket back.
@@user-FishermanRick yea. If any other options were available I would of got them. I added a stiffer spring, and jump it everyday. Send it till she breaks!!!
Very nice Ive had myn for 5 days I like it so far, my only complaints is lack of power, dinky pegs, and uhhh I got nothing else at the moment lol Nice video man!
Thank You!
Lack of power? If you have the second shipment of the bike, you may have to cut a wire. The first batch didn't need to, but there's definitely a ton of power on these things!
Hey bro, sweet video yet again! My i totally agree with you on all of these issues. I haven't noticed the rear suspension bushing, but I also had extremely tight bolts (also noticed mounds of locktight on them tho... lol) & some loose. My front forks also started sticking, so I may try that method, but I do plan on putting 65cc dirtbike forks on it so it can handle jumps better.
Yeah so look into the KX 85 front end. Talked to a guy in Portland who just got his. Another shop said cut the BS and go straight to this set up. Pretty much a direct bolt on. But adds 15-20 lbs. pretty sure I’ll be looking into this after a power upgrade. My fiancé also wants to buy one, but we’re trying to get a house too;). She said she’ll buy one with the better fork and give it to me. Maybe that’ll happen this year, not sure tho.
Oh yeah I did the shock mod (3/4” socket) and I use the fork oil. Seems to help a lil bit. I’m also trying to find out if these shocks have foam wipers inside. That’s supposed to really help too.
@@OregonMotorcycle that would be so badass. I was thinking the 65 shocks to get rid of some of that extra weight up front & so it wasn't as tall, but maybe it would be worth it. Thanks for the info man & good luck with the house!!! Hopefully she does get one soon, that'd be super cool to ride together!
@@OregonMotorcycle what fork oil was it? Anything special?
@@motortherapyinc check my Amazon links in the description. It’s under fork juice.
Nice vid! Note: My DMN has a nice front fender... feel free to check my video if you want to see..
Mine:
1. Rusting bolt heads
2. Battery bouncing around
3. Dead-zone at start of throttle
4. Long-term reliability... (cost a lot - hope it lasts!)
Yeah your fork looks a lot better.
My DNM on surron was terrible after 5-6months😭?? Very bad on small bricks/bumps and only worked ok-ish on big bumps/jumps they literally stopped moving bro😬!! Not to bad for the price if you’re willing to maintain/cahange oil + lubricate every 4-6 months👍
@@OregonMotorcycle Be carefull with DNM have a look what other guys say about them on our surron’s😬, hope that helps/saves you £500/$500👊🏼👊🏼
cool video dude, looking hard at talaria/surron right now. I'm tall and heavy the talaria has a better out of box setup for me but the surron has the aftermarket support so its a toss up at the moment, definetly want to get over to luna cycles someday and get a pro opinion.
Thanks! It’s a tough decision.
I'm stuck between them too . but talaria is definitely calling me more. i they've even realised pedal conversion now so loads more upgrades will be out very soon
I know this comment is Debbie downer, but complaining about how something is built at the factory is what newbs do. Checking fasteners and lubrication on a new “bike” shouldn’t be an afterthought. It should be common practice. I’ll bet even the manual says to do that out of the box. So the title of this video is clickbait. Nothing wrong with the bike, just some user error.
🤣 No the title is an opinion.
So out of curiosity, do you pull the neck bearings out of all your brand new motorcycles to pack them?
can i just ask you what you use for a microphone setup in your helmet? it works amazing at keeping out all other noises, and it doesnt screw with your voice that much either!
Stock Sena mic ran into my GoPro.
It sounds so good because I’m using the noise canceling software from the Sena. I’ve made video’s on this, tell people all the time. It’s so easy to do and the sound is recorded to the GoPro so there’s zero mixing to do.
I guess people don’t want to cut their 5 dollar mic wire;)
@@OregonMotorcycle ah yes I have a gopro 8 but it's a horrible quality solution for using the mic input on it, I see you have a 5 in your specs, probably the last good one they made. I need to get a sena headset soon!
@@smiththers2 no you can use the mic adapter on the 8 too. The same one I’m using. If you look close in my vids you’ll see it strapped to the mount. Buy that for 50 bucks then tie that into the com unit.
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The foot peg bracket on mine are extremely over tightened. I'll have to get out the breaker bar tonight.
I also noticed I can't put the peg brace on the back hole. It's much more narrow, and if I put it in the middle I have to have the pegs in the front position, but there is no alignment dow for the front position on the right side. 🤷
I interesting. Mine fits in the back hole.
Yup just went through this with gritshift - they've changed the design slightly on the newer batch bikes and the rear hole is smaller unfortunetly. But you can either drill it out, wait until they make a revised version or make your own. I'm just going to make it work because I will bend these pegs immediately jumping it lol.
@@BrettDavis514 I really appreciate the info. I was starting think I was missing something.
I can't get the peg brackets screw loose aswell, very annoying
@@rooterad9042 dude those Allen bolts are not easy to get out. To be honest I’m not sure it’s even because they are torqued down super hard, it almost seemed on mine that there was a bit of corrosion causing them to be more difficult to get out. I mean they do spend months in a container coming from overseas. Try heating them up. I used a long bar and was lucky not to strip them out. Took a lot of force.
Quick question for anyone who knows I’m new to the channel and idk if there is a vid about it but, are the surron/talaria legal on road in Oregon?
The killa rst forks are generally bad, I got the dnm forks, it's not too bad
That’s good to hear.
How do you legally ride this on the street without a license plate?
That’s an interesting question 🤔
just dont get caught buddy and ride confidently 😏
Man, that CRX Si at 2:10 though!!
I think there’s more than just that one:)
@@OregonMotorcycle I just bought a Sting after watching your videos. Picking it up at the Utah shop Monday.
do you guys have a trick to loosen those overtight screws ? I fear i make break the tool before it's done...
You can hit them with a hammer straight on. That helps break the threads loose. Also use quality tools.
I broke my 5mm allen socket Craftsman trying to loosen the footpeg bracket bolts. I'm afraid of stripping or breaking off the bolt. I'm soaking with Liquid Wrench. It's risky using a long breaker bar or impact wrench. Totally sucks as I bought the Gritshift brace and can't use it.
heat will break lock tight lose
@@zeroboyrick1717 actually a battery operated impact would be your best bet. An impact uses small taps at a high rate to make torque. Perfect for breaking bolts/nuts loose. Not so good for tightening.
Heat works well too. I have a video somewhere of my buddy helping me with a stripped drain plug. Heat and hitting the bolt straight on did the trick.
what’s better for the sting the DNM forks or the fastace?
DNM.
Do you need a license endorsement to drive a talaria or Sutton?
🤷♂️ Call your local authorities.
How is that 80/100-19 tire? I live in Clackamas County too so I know it's a nasty time of the year for a tire test. Traction, side grip, knob height, weight? It's a great size for a stock battery Surron. This 90/100-18 MX33 at 5 psi is great for single track with the 72V but it really slows down the stock battery for just dinking around on the property.
Meh. It’s ok.
I have a huge Kenda Trak master on it now. It’s a lil too much for the stock power.
I also mounted a 21” front Dunlop MX 53. That thing is a monster. No traction issues. Love that tire, but the back is a lil much. I take it have a Surron? Let’s ride! 😎
@@OregonMotorcycle Any time brother.
I hear the throttle input response is kinda weird … like the more you twist the less it responds??
It does feel that way. The faster you go, the less response there is. I just think that is related to power though. I mean how fast can 8 hp move 300lbs from 25mph to 35mph?
I just got done running this bike against a 125cc dirt/pit bike on an open type of single track. My Talaria was over geared for the track (never hit top speed), but those bikes were neck and neck as far as power goes. The pit bike is about 30-40 lbs lighter, but the rider was 30 lbs heavier than me….
Ya thats how electric motors work, all instant torque. Than kind of gutless around mid range speed. Still fun and there is a company throwing 72v battery's with upgraded computers. So lots of speed to come if you got the $$$$
@@quinnybagztv nah the surron and Segway aren’t like that(weird throttle response)from the reviews that compare them both
@@OregonMotorcycle I went with 54T and is nice for the trails - I hear others with the 56t also find it nice. It was my first upgrade.
@@gregbeals5567 Nice. Im going to get a larger one too. Probably around 56. I need it for my dirt set up.
Has anyone even gotten one with the manitou fork?
I was looking at buying one but all these issues at like $4.5k 😒
They are still totally worth it. Just don’t buy one from Amped Bikes. They don’t honor the warranty.
@@OregonMotorcycle why not amped bikes, do you recommend anywhere? that’s the only place i can find them?
@@dannychavez6174 watch this. ruclips.net/video/3v0Ha5e_J7I/видео.html
How does it compare with a Sur-ron ? similar priced product over here.
They are really close. Im sure the surron is more refined at this stage.
Pros and cons, the gear drive is awesome no worry of a broken belt. Today the biggest difference is the aftermarket, you can build some incredible machines off the Surron platform. It's going to take years for aftermarket to catch up to Talaria. If you like stock bikes buy a Talaria, if you like to build modified machines buy surron.