Mono Ingredient - Paldeans Meta Shift, New Best Apple, Potato and Leek? Farmers
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In summary
Fuecoco - mono apple
Quaxly - mono leek
Sprigatito - mono potato
I got 2 mono apple feucocos,one of them has BFS
One year later, I've still never seen a Squirtle which doesn't have cacao at level 30
My condolences
Caught over 20 Squirtle... only one has an Ingredient-Finder subskill... its nature is ingredient down 😭😭
@@22NightWingSounds similar to my attempts to find a skill trigger igglybuff/jigglypuff. Thankfully my gardevoir is S tier.
Same. Not one that has been worth considering to keep.
Mine
You’re WILD for that thumbnail Bro lmao
Quaquaval do be packing
Meowscarada the magician made a potato appear out of thin air
I went straight to the comments to see if someone else noticed!
Haha if only that Leek was upside down 👀
@@Bropenings
Skeledirge roasting his apple :)
quaquaval - straight up jorkin it. and by "it", haha, well. let's just say. My leek
“To be honest, If it happens that you have to sleep with a charizard after farming a whole day with it and it’s on zero energy, then so be it.” -Brovinnie
Heck of an out of context quote. Lol
Lmao
Man, I’ve probably deleted a small handful of mono ingredients specialists for not having desirable gold skills, but lately I’ve been wanting the monos.
I seen a infographic in an Asian language on the sleep discord that has the level 60 ingredient slider showing all the pokemons expected count for each ingredient. That infographic clearly identifies the level 60 meta and they also have a level 30 infographic
I'll take a look at it, but the ingredient rate only finalized in the last 48 hours. Not sure how accurate any older infographic would be.
In all honestly, ingredient pokemon are already a challenge to get right (compared to berry/skill specialists). There's gacha for nature. There's gacha for subskills. Then for ingredient pokemon, there's gacha for ingredient list too.
Realistically speaking, it can take weeks if not months to encounter a mono ingredient mon. Even if you do, the odds of it having good subskills and nature are an added level/layer to the RNG. The 1/9 chance gets worse. So the question is: will you starve till you get that perfect mon OR will you work with dual ingredient mons till you find the perfect mono ingredient mon? If you choose to starve, you might miss some of the best dishes. If you work with dual ingredient mons, by the time you get that perfect mono ingredient mon, your dual ingredient mons would probably be capped and at peak performance.
You argue that mono ingredients can handle any new recipes the game comes up with. There is no doubt about it and I agree with this. But what about new pokemon? What if after many months cacao starving, you find the dream Absol with mono cacao and then they launch a new pokemon that also does cacao at level one only way better than Absol. What now?
I don't think there's anything wrong with ABB or ABA or AAB to give a major and minor ingredient or even leaving ingredient mons in your team (especially if they have Helping Bonus or BFS or Ingredient Magnet S). Yes, you will have to play tetris with the ingredient mons to match the dishes but that's half the fun!
To conclude what I am saying is, even though they are awesome, we should not pedestalise mono ingredient mons. Because they too can get power creeped by future mons to come.
I really enjoy your analysis and the content in general. Watching almost everyday haha
Keep up the good stuff!!
Your point seems to suggest that mono ingredient pokemon must have as good subskills & nature as other pokemon. Mono ingredient itself to me is already a really good stat because mono means you already farm 20-80% more of the ingredient that you actually need compared to non-mono. It doesn't need as good other stats (sub skills & nature) to be ready to invest.
I briefly mentioned if you use a mixed ing specialist, it is possible for it to be as good as mono, but you really have to have near perfect stats. See the apple comparisons I gave where ABA Fuecoco is the second best ing list, yet farms less apples than Pinsir. A single wrong ingredient almost renders Fuecoco useless.
Absol was already mentioned to be hard to find and I said to leave the cacao problem with Blastoise, but I cannot remove Absol from the mono list at this stage, because it's the best at L30 for cacao hands down (may not be at L60). Even if you just go for AAX it's fine to have a L30 Absol for the mean time. I also left Blastoise with cacao in the honorary mentions in the bottom half of the graphic, and that had always been there. This is not a new discussion. I suggested multiple resolutions: get a mono milk Blastoise + a secondary L30 cacao Blastoise in the mean time while you hunt mono cacao, or wait for another ingredient Pokemon that can do cacao, or supplement with berry specialist that can do cacao (meganium). These are all alternative/supplementary solutions to the issue at hand. And as new ingredient specialists are being released, we are seeing less and less supposed issues with mono ingredient. Potato and apple both got L1 release with cheap catches (5 pips only), allowing us to move towards true mono ingredient build for every ingredient. Moving away from ABB Victreebel and Pinsir is a good thing long term. And Absol being power creeped in the future is also only a good thing. If you can't get a good one, use one of the solutions I suggested.
This is pretty much exactly the philosophy I follow with ingredient Pokémon, especially as f2p. Yes, the mono ingredient meta makes sense and is resilient, but just like @Nemosaur said, part of the fun is tetris-ing out the party. I’m not always going to get the exact ingredients I need to make the same max level recipe 21 times a week, but I’m leveling up three or four good recipes (overheat ginger salad, etc.) that make use of a variety of ingredients.
@@Bropenings OH! Not needing good subskills/nature on a mono ingredient is a good concept. It removes the extra layer of gacha.
So would mono ingredients with average subskills/nature would work just as well as ABB/ABA/AAB/AAC with good subskill/nature? Ofc mono ingredients with good subskill/nature will be the highest tier. But what about mono ingredient with bad/subskill/nature? Would it be safe to say that a mono ingredient with ingredient down nature and no ingredient subskills IS indeed unusable? Can I please make a video request for numbers and/or a tier list for this?
There's a 1/9 chance to get a mono ingredient pokemon. Since Subskill/Nature are random, let's say there's a 1/3 chance for each bad/average/good. Your chance of landing,
Usable Mono Ingredient pokemon = 1/9 * 2/3 = 2/27 = 1/13.5 = 7.4% chance
Unusable Mono Ingredient pokemon = 1/9 * 1/3 = 1/27 = 3.7% chance
So technically your chance of getting a usable mono ingredient pokemon is 1/13.5, not a direct 1/9.
Or maybe I am wrong and even mono ingredients with bad subskills/nature are still pretty viable?
I hope I don't come off to be difficult/annoying about this. I am trying to figure out a trajectory for other players and myself. I am going to use the ABB, ABA, AAB, AAC mons I have while passively searching for the mono ingredient mons. If I get them, good. If I don't, I can still use my existing mons.
@Nemosaur yes that's a concept for another video I had planned following this one.
One way to think about it is:
How good does ABA have to be to beat AAA? Use production comparison and see.
In some cases ABA needs HB+IF up to beat AAA for ingredient A. I would say HB+IF up is pretty damn good to start so do we really need every other best stat?
But becareful analysing L60. You'd assume you can hit L60 straight away to see the results (another reason for AAA is beginners don't need to worry for hitting L60 in one go). Also it's not a known stat yet. Does it actually have 1/3rd drop rate vs first 2 slots?
@@Bropenings Yeah, the drop rate is a very good question.
I was just running the numbers on Raenonx. I have two pokemon
1 - Mono tomato Mr Mime. IFS@10, HSS@25, STS@50, SLS@75, InvUpS@100. Gentle.
2 - tomato-tomato-leek Victrebel. STM@10, HB@25, IFM@50. Hardy.
I was thinking if it makes sense to leave a pokemon between 50 and 59 to just farm the AA ingredients and use it kinda like a mono ingredient mon. Because the Victrebel at lvl50 gives about 95 tomatoes, whereas the Mr Mime at lvl100 gives 89 tomatoes.
edit: Also, if AAA is S tier. I think ABB is the A tier. ABA would be B tier. But then again, if you keep AAB/AAC between 50~59, they can function like a mono ingredient; so hard to put this one in a direct tier. I would love to see this mentioned in the video :D
Only in the context of Pokemon Sleep will “sleep with a Charizard” (5:00) not warrant a double take
My issue specifically with Quaquavel is that lvl 60 is such a pain to reach, so you are stuck with it only dropping two leeks for 30 painful levels
@leonardosquillace8871 hence for now, dugtrio is still relevant.
Also he'll likely be dethroned by farfetch'd at some point
I'm keeping a Tomato Mime Jr in my back pocket incase Mr Rime is implemented, another evo bump could see it take top spot. Unique evo requirements like sleep with Mime Jr at Snowdrop Tundra could be the way they tackle branched regional forms
I forgot about Rime
Me watching this with my Shiny BFS helping bonus umbreon 😨
If you love it, it's worth it.
Umbreon's niche is to get the skill triggers achievement done.
@@Dexuz that's niche af
You could do the same thing with Golduck but get actual value instead of using a trash mon
If you catch a crazy good leek quaxly don't forget to name it Sirfetch'd. Guaranteed +30% drop rate.
But then what do we name Farfetch'd when it's released?
@@Bropenings Herefetch'd
That will backfire when the actual Sirfetch'd comes in and farms 2/5/7 leeks.
fantastic and thorough guide, thank you for all you do! also just noticed that you're well passed 10k subscribers, congrats! i remember when you just had a few hundred, been very cool to see this channel grow (:
Thanks for growing with me
I have a grand total of 4 mono ingredient specialists in my box: 2 Charmander, Comfey, and Fuecoco.
Thumbnail is awesome hahaha
The video we've been waiting for! Thank you for continuing to make these well researched and data based analysis and vids!
It took a week for the ingredient rate to finalize
@Bropenings understandable! That's what I appreciate about your vids, you know the data is solid so yeah it can take some time
Videos like these where you go in depth and explain things to us trying to create their own strategy, is extremely helpful. Always have and always will love your videos and all the information you share w us.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Thanks bro. I’ve been waiting for this one!
so far my best have been:
A mono potato Floragato with Mild nature (Ingredients up/Energy down) Helping Speed S/Helping Bonus/Inventory L/Ingredient S/Ingredient M (probably done hunting this line) and
A mono beans Quaxley with Serious nature (neutral) Helping Bonus/Berry Finding S/Helping Speed/Dream Shard Bonus/Ingredient S (But I have saved 4 Quaxley incense for the Water/Suicune events).
Fuecoco has been all trash. So, I will probably hit Taupe next week to do some hunting.
Thanks, I kind of underestimated how good these Paldean starters are, but also SUPER thank you for explaining some basic stuff I had been overlooking as a casual-ish caring-a-little-bit player. XD
We like casual, caring-a-little-bit players. It's what keeps the game alive. Helps dilute the sweaty min maxers like me.
@@Bropenings Haha, thanks! XD Sorry, I'm getting a little sweatier every day-
(Using the same ingredients as extras to cook a dish I already had enough for is helping so much, I've hit like 3 Extra Tasties oh my goooooood)
Another great video thank. Was blessed with a pretty good quaxly with 2x leek and good subskills. Also glad i havent invested in either of my Blastoise yet, and will focus on the milk one
Great video as always man. I'm calling it now, the first triple leak Pokemon will be Farfetch.
Hopefully we get Galarian Farfetch’d so it can evolve.
Milk and Potato most often go together in curries. So given that the 1 in 9 chance is so difficult to farm, a mixed good Sprigatito isn't so bad as say a mixed good Fuecoco (apple and sausage almost never go together). Similarly Quaxly's soy and leek does work for the higher end dishes (which are the ones we focus on). So I think a mono Fuecoco is the biggest target from the update?
Thats one way to think about it. Ultimately it depends on what your needs are, and I'm only generalising for an ideal build.
Note that quaxly is mono for both leek and beans. Because no one can do L1 leek.
However, "balanced" farming on mixed ingredient pokemon is problematic as you've ignored all the ingredient productions from berry and skill pokemon that changes week to week and those ingredients would be worth more if they just match recipe instead of as extra.
Mono doesn't care about what ingredients berry/skill mons are producing and will give you only what you need then move out of the way. Thereby it enables berry pokemon's ingredients to be used to match recipe too.
also, mono mons should be one in six? not one in nine? 1/2/3 so 1*1/2*1/3?
Yep, this bugged me too. It's 1/6.
The second ingredient (L30) has a 1/3 chance to be the same as the first slot (AAX)
2/3 chance it is a different ingredient (ABX)
@@Bropenings oh wow. Thanks for clarifying. I would recommend mentioning that more frequently in future mono-ingredient videos, since it highlights further how tricky it can be to get a good pokemon beyond just decent subskills.
I have a really good ducky with mono beans. I also have a good golem but it’s beans beans mushroom. Should I invest in the duck and say bye to golem? Or keep hunting for a leak dunk?
Hold the golem for now. Mushroom farming only has 1 option so it may be good assistance later on if you already invested.
Do you guys at late game fill up the pot with extra ingredients every meal or will you only use the required for the recipe?
I fill up the pot 90% of the time. But the ingredients come from berry specialists farming wrong ingredients. Hopefully it's not coming too much from ingredient specialists otherwise something isn't optimised.
So if i just happen to have a mono ginger Kanga, i don't have to find ttae? Or would you still recommend ttar since it's an evo?
Ttar is over 20% better than Kanga at ginger farming. Kanga also harder to get candies both from research and from friends. It'll be an uphill battle raising kanga but if you got a great one, then it frees up ttar to not be mono (maybe do some beans?). I personally still prefer to make mono ginger ttar because it's that good. Your Kanga can be a secondary option if for some reason ttar has a bad healing day (unlikely).
I got an insane Quaxley with Helping Bonus Ingredient Finder M & S and Quiet nature.
It has Beans Beans Oil. 🙃
So it's not worth it to raise ingrediant farmers that are favorite berry even if they aren't the best at the ingredient? I was wondering if it might be strategic to have a skeledirge thats got one sausage just incase that'll be useful on a new ghost island, since there arent ghost types that have sausage. but I guess I'm just trying to cope cause the best fuecoco i've found is BFS with apple-apple-sausage, havent seen any with mono apple.
BFS will nerf the ingredient production in some situations. On top of that if you have sausage at L60 your apple farming essentially halved. Unless your plan is to never run mono sausage charizard maybe that's OK.
I would prefer to prepare ingredient specialists who can go to any island. They rotate into the team only based on the 3 dish types we can roll and not worry about island berry. Even with BFS they just don't farm as much as BFS berry specialists. So if they can do the right ingredient amounts, it'll save you time to put a berry specialist back on the team.
To prepare 8 AAB ingredient specialists (1 for every ingredient) for every island to match berry would probably take even longer than hunting mono ingredient. And isn't better than rotating back in a BFS berry specialist imo. Gotto check the numbers on that though. I don't personally see the value.
@@Bropenings that makes sense. I also dont have a mono charizard but its otherwise really strong. But i guess i'll hold off on investing on this particular fuecoco. Thanks for the response!
I want to make sure I understand something mentioned at the beginning. You say that the matching ingredients can be worth up to 300% when you use it as an extra incredient. Is this new? Because in the past my extra ingredients are only worth their base amount, and it still shows that way on the Raenonx calculator. (I tried with Calm Mind Fruit Salad at level 18, for example, and the calculator shows that an extra apple only adds its base 90.)
I don't think I said that. Link me the time stamp if I did.
The ingredient you put in the recipe (matching the recipe) is worth approx 4x. At L55 dish level.
I'm not comparing extra ingredients to extra ingredients.
I'm comparing getting the recipe completed in the least time and not bother farming extra ingredients so you can change to a berry specialist vs farming random mixtures where much of the ingredients don't even match any recipe and can only be used as extras.
Where do you find the infographics? Seen some on Reddit, but not this one.
This was made by BananaTanks to be released together with this video so it's new. All the graphics are available via my Discord. Here is the one I used:
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I tend to focus on getting ingredient farmers for the favored berry of each island unless I don’t have them- why is it worse to get a comfey for corn on cyan than using the bewear when it’s not favored berry?
The reason why Comfey is not a clear winner even at CB is that Bewear would finish farming corn quicker than Comfey, then you can switch to a real berry specialist that matches favorite and has BFS earlier like Feraligatr, Dodrio or Clefable. Certainly 3 berries with IF down on these Pokemon would be better than Comfey who does 1-2 berries only (note: BFS harming its ingredient output if inventory is reached) and you want IF up, which means less berries per period of time. Comfey isn't giving you enough berries if you have great ingredient stats and no BFS.
It's not saying Comfey is bad for CB, but if you need 1 corn farmer for CB, and 1 corn farmer in all other areas, that's a more expensive hunt and heavier investment overall, even more than just doing a mono ingredient build.
@@Bropenings GOTCHA okay, that makes a lot of sense. So ingredient specialists shouldn't even really be considering the berry. Thanks for the reply!
Wait, so adding more of the SAME ingredients that are required for the dish benefits more? I thought everything beyond what was necessary was only added at base value?
No, they're all the same. I said when they match the recipe (ingredients used within the recipe) then it's worth up to 4x.
I have to rescind my comment that was a bit negative towards mono ing lists a while back. I still maintain that it's difficult to find every mon with the correct list, but once you do it is really quite strong. Not wasting helps on filler ingredients is a massive boost in efficiency overall so rotating ing mons is a huge part of optimal play in the current meta.
Good to hear we have a converter 🤣
It is also difficult to find BFS+HB berry specialists. It's what makes the game worth playing and balancing and accepting compromises along the way and try to make it work when we don't get perfection.
The mono idea is a goal not a law.
@@Bropenings It also helps the changes they made to energy freeze, sneaky snacking, and stronger dish bonus. Cooking would still be pretty awful if we never got those haha
How much should we consider subskills and nature when we finally find a mono-ingredient spec? Especially F2P who may not catch many of the same mon
Very good question. Because of the difficulty of getting mono ingredient, I normally accept anything that has at least 2 good subskills or nature. E.g. A combination of some speed + ingredient finding up before L50.
In some special cases where the berry output can nearly match a berry specialist like Dragonite, it is acceptable to me to have BFS + speed instead of IF. Due to IF reducing berry output, BFS is actually harmed, but speed boosts both berry and ingredient.
is there an argument for best ingredient finder according to island and dish? like golem is the better beans farmer, but what if you’re on cyan beach and need beans, wouldn’t quaquaval be a better option due to berry preference? may be a cool video showing how different ingredient specialists that farm the same ingredient are better than the other depending on the island?
There is, but it's a very weak argument. Several considerations to make this argument:
1 - BFS is needed on that ingredient specialist to make it doubly as good at that area to even be worth this consideration to begin with. Just like BFS is needed on a berry specialist to make it good when matching the berry. But BFS nerfs the ingredient output if you don't collect quick enough, so you just lost some strength from what that Pokemon is supposed to be good at doing. This is especially harmful in areas not matching favorite berry you subsequently need to go to. So investing an ingredient specialist based on its berry restricts its usage to only 1 island, weakening its ability to produce in other islands.
I'm not saying BFS is a bad skill, it just depends on how often you want to open the game. But BFS has fallen out of favor for ingredient specialists with many long term players because of this problem.
2 - If you get the ingredients quicker, you can rotate out the ingredient specialist and switch for a BFS berry specialist anyway who does more berry output than an ingredient specialist with BFS. So what was the point of having BFS on the ingredient specialist?
3 - If you simply match the berry and not the ingredient, say, you're at Beach but it's desserts and you actually dont need beans, you're just better of using another berry specialist that matches favourite berry (Ferligatr, Dodrio, Clefable...) or even consider a generalist skills specialist like Ampharos/Golduck. Heck, sometimes my berry specialist matches the recipe.
@@Bropenings that’s why we love you, thanks for explanation 😁😁
The mono ingredient meta is very, very powerful for sure. You really get to use every last ingredient to its maximum potential, but I think that promoting it as the only way to play the game and stating that ingredient mons that don't have a mono ingredient list arr not even worth investing into no matter their list is a dangerous statement. The mono ingredient meta is only better if you manage your pokemon a lot. Producing balanced proportions of different ingredients can be nice for someone who just opens the app now and then to collect some ingredients that they can use. It's more casual, yea, but for a game that is more casual, I don't think we should be telling everybody that they should only be doing mono ingredients.
If you're casual, mono works even better. "Balanced" farming on mixed ingredient pokemon is problematic as you've ignored all the ingredient productions from berry and skill pokemon that changes week to week. Mono doesn't care about what ingredients berry/skill mons are producing and will give you only what you need. You don't need to switch out at all if you feel that's bothersome. Just change them once a day. If you happen to over-farm one ingredient you can use them for the next recipe which is the same dish anyway.
Mixed ingredient will always have some unused ingredients that must be used as extras or sold. Even casuals would find this problematic.
Example:
If dragonite farms you exact ratio of recipe ingredients for corn & herb, say, keema curry, then any corn from gardevoir or herb from typhlosion are just extra ingredients when they could've been used as recipe matched ingredients if you run mono.
Mono actually enables greater power output from the ingredients in other specialities.
If a casual doesn't care to calculate these numbers and just want to cook whatever they can from whats available, that's totally fine. None of these strategy/min-max/informative videos matter to begin with.
it's hard enough to get an ingredient mon with two ingredient up skill/nature, mono ingredient plus those just seems even more impossible...
Perhaps you should consider mono itself being an excellent stat so you don't need subskills and natures to be perfect.
i have a double leek dugtrio that i've already invested. would it be wise to invest in a double beans one leek quaxly to help supplement more leeks at lvl 60? as for beans I unfortunately have a bunch of other mons that do single beans (golem at base and pupitar at lvl 30). i also have at triple beans quaxly but the stats for that one aren't great.
The idea behind this video is a goal, not a law. If you already have great farmers for each ingredient, then you'll just have to work with what you've got and fill the ingredient slots with what else you're hunting. As said in the video, mono beans Quaquaval works as long as you got leeks covered.
But Quaquaval at L60 farms about 15% more leeks than dugtrio (slightly worse at L30). Whereas Golem and Quaquaval have about equal beans farming.
I invested early on in the "perfect" Dugtrio... Triple Ingredient Up, Inventory L, Helping Speed M, and BFS at 100...
Tomato, Leek, Tomato
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Mushroom shld be taken over soon
On one hand, I hope it doesnt because I have a great gengar.
On the other hand, mushroom needs a new farmer.
I would rather see a good egg mon first. Delibird and anomasnow kinda fill that role, but delibird is a bit too rare, and abomasnow is exclusive to the worst island.
I feel like we will have a better leek farmer by the time anyone is really getting their ducks to level 60. For most people, probably best to just stick with your dugtrio for now until we get something better, and use quackman as a mono bean if you still need that
Also calling quackboy mono leek feels confusing bc it’s not
It's just simplifying the terminology. It's assumed we all know no one farms base leek. That applied to potato until recently also.
I feel like mix ung list is good for specifictype of dishes, if you dont like switching your team around all the time.
Is mono ing is better? Maybe, prob.
But mix isnt bad as you made it sound.
The matching of specific dishes to mixed ingredients can change, and has changed several times in the past.
Did you play the game from before corn dishes dropped? Players who saw the release of corn dishes suffered the great shift. At the start of the game, Dream Eater Butter Curry utilized Blastoise + Victreebel both being mixed AB ingredients, had the best combo to complete that dish. This curry has now been power creeped totally by Keema Curry, and recently slightly creeped by Ninja Curry. The AB Blastoise + AB Victreebel combo, while it was fine for DEB Curry, are now no longer as useful. Not to mention the moment you go Salad or Dessert weeks you'll be struggling to get only tomato or only milk as you need them.
Not to mention Ninja Curry was a rework of the ingredients ratio. If you had got the perfect ratio on a Pokemon for Ninja Curry before, you're now screwed for the same recipe.
In simple mathematical numbers
The ingredient that matches your recipe = 4x the strength
The ingredient that doesn't match your recipe = 1x the strength
Mix is bad if the result is you can't cook a reasonable dish 👍👍
As an F2P player, I have to make mix compromises, but as a result I regret when I'm 20 tomatoes in surplus and 2 honey short of a Jiggly flan.
I would like to see an up-to-date primer on effective napping
Just got a trigger houndor s rank
Herb , ginger , herb
HB, inventory m , trigger s and M and level up M
Brave
If it was BFS instead of inventory it would be perfect
We need an item that rerolls ingredients, or even just one random ingredient slot!
Then I've deleted too many good ingredient specialists
Brovinni: explaining why mono ingredient lists are ideal
Me: Can you please tell *my game* all of this? It keeps giving me garbage 😅 I still don't have a good sausage farmer, oil farmer, egg farmer, milk farmer... And then when they finally get a mono ingredient list, their stats absolutely stink 😆
PlushiePoogle's game listen up. I've told you thousands of times. MONO INGREDIENT. Stop giving these mixed BS ingredient list. And give some good stats with it. Don't be an as*.
@@Bropenings 🤣 Thanks man. Two catches this morning, neither were mono but the stats were good and one was a shiny so I guess the game at least partially listened, lol!
I got a mono tatercat and shiny quaxly that isnt mono but its good enough to use.
It's just so hard to farm the perfect mon for each mono ingredient
Mono itself is a great stat. I'm more lenient when it comes to perfect subskills & nature if they have correct ingredients.
@@Bropenings appreciate the input! Will keep that in mind moving forward
How can quaxly be mono leek when his first ingredient can only be soybeans?
"Rare" Ingredients like leek tails and mushrooms are simplified to be part of "mono" list if they are in both L30 L60 slots because no one can do it in first slot.
Potato used to be included but you know, sprigatito.
It's just a simplified way of defining the mono spread right now, otherwise I have to keep saying "mono except rare ingredients".
Tails even more problematic since only slowpoke line at L30 farms and it isn't even ingredient specialty.
Thank you for the explanation!
Friend level 50 still no mono milk squirtle
My list is pretty close except I have mono soybeans quaxly and mono fiery herb gengar with bfs :)
Oof. Mushroom where?
@@BropeningsGolem at lvl 30 & 60, or shiny gengar if/when I find one. I'm not really a perfectionist or in a rush so these are what I'm waiting for 😄
@@Lyte-X Golem doesn't do mushroom at L30
@@Bropenings oh no way, well... let's hope I'm really lucky on that halloween event then lmao. Having two gengar isnt ideal, and I really like mine.
@@Bropenings or maybe we'll get that Amoongus release 🙏
If I waited to find the correct ingredients of each of these, I would hardly be able to play. :/
Here's my take on that: why not use berry specialists while you hunt ingredient pokes? Berry meta hasn't changed since the start of the game. Ingredients being farmed perfectly just gives rise to more time for berry farming.
And I just got a good leek dugtrio! 😭😭
And you can still use it, if you watch to the end!
I mean, if you don't get a Quaquaval soon, just use it. Quaquaval will probably get power crept by another mon with 3 leeks in the future, just like meowscarada has 3 potatos now
@@jo40p3dr0Imagine we get Farfetch'd as a triple leek mon in the future
@@jo40p3dr0very good point!!
i dont really agree with leek cause each drop is less.
Do you mean for Quaquaval? Yeah as a result Dugtrio is actually still better at L30 which I explained.
@@Bropenings yeah quaqaval drops less per drop. to me even level 60 dugtrio is better. not by much but better. tho to be sure do both drop 4 at level 60?
@okazakikun1 because of the combination of ingredient rate and speed, quaquaval is about 15% better at leeks at L60 than dugtrio. This was explained towards the end of the video.
@@Bropenings that one more that dugtrio drops is like 15% more then quaquaval. i have days where the mon mostly drops the first ingredient so i think a mon that drops more per drop is better.
Now that they showed with potatoes that "rare" ingredients are indeed not exclusive to lvl 30, I wouldn't invest in an ABB Quaxly, it's bound to be powercreeped by the next ingredient pokemon that comes with 3X leek
I try not to speculate on these things and only advise based on what we do know.
Besides, we don't really need quaxly for beans with golem around.
Also potato is the weakest of all "rare" ingredients. It was no surprise to be power crept first. It's weaker than cacao as an extra ingredient. Leek is not in the same class.
still amazes me that people can find arguements against the mono ing meta
My only gripe with mono ingredient is the 1/9 odds to get one. That's the main argument against mono ingredient as it can take longer to hunt for the ingredient coverage than ABA options (2/9 chance).