I can’t tell you how much this applied to me and my life. One of the best and therapeutic videos I’ve ever watched on RUclips. Thanks for this and sharing your stories and making sense of all this madness and the love and art of collecting. Cheers! 🍻
You're so welcome man! This show happened so long ago, I forgot how it went down and what we all had to say. Either way, I know I sometimes struggle with keeping up with collecting. "Do I really need this?" Haha. We've all been there. Cheers!
Salutes!! I started "seriously" collecting since the age of 14 or so but I had no influence from my parents or anyone specific. I guess it was just the passion and how music/art made me feel that drew me to wanting to enjoy and collect real art. For me music collecting encompasses 2 major points of the same importance: 1) The Music and quality (of the medium) 2) The art and the manifestation of that art in the physical world- like arquitecture, paintings, sculptures- The emotional interaction with the graphic art, illustrations, elements of an artifact that expresses an artistic idea is paramount. Just like having the real painting and not just a "photo" of a painting. It's the real deal and the real thing. Nothing can compare. As far as the content of collecting-LPs and CDs only (depending on the era and how it was recorded in the first place-digital/analogue etc). I really like hunting down rarities/and specific pressings etc, BUT I don´t purchase rare items just for the sake of being "rare". I don´t want things I don`t like or deem mediocre in my collection anymore. Example of so many more "rare" punk, NWBHM, post-punk, black metal or whatever bands/singles (for example) that are quite bad or just very very run of the mill average mehhhh for me. Great topic, cheers Al
I'm the same way; I only keep stuff that I enjoy musically. I've passed on many rare items b/c I just don't like them all that much. Similarly I keep a lot of cheap/common/goofy albums b/c I enjoy them even though they aren't 'true' or 'cult' or whatever.
This right here is the best stream you all have done. This to me is the perfect cast of guys you’ve had. If this specific group could come back some time in the future, I’d be pumped!! All your shows are amazing, but this is def my favorite
Thanks for watching and for your feedback. No worries, we will be getting the guys back for sure (Phil will be with us next week). Maybe not all at the same time, but who knows. This collector scum topic is big enough for several episodes for sure. At the very least, bring in a new cast of characters to share their experiences and habits. Glad you're liking Heavy Metallurgy! We love doing it and hope to keep bringing your quality content every week. Cheers!
Man y’all boys are a hoot together, love the coalition you dudes have assembled. Cool to hear you grew up on some classic country Marty, that’s my favorite stuff that isn’t metal there is.
I can totally relate to this stream. I’ve always been a collector too. I was the kid who collected insects, then Pokémon, then Yu GI Oh cards, and then that evolved into CDs and music merch.
Super fun conversation tonight! As someone who got the collector bug from my grandpa, I started buying records when they were dirt cheap and have amassed a pretty big collection. I sold off big chunks to pay off medical bills and help get a downpayment for a house, because they are sort of liquid assets to a degree, and I've thankfully never had to part with anything that's meant a ton to me. To kind of refure one of Alan's points about stuff not transferring to the next generation, I think that's true, but I also think it's about how rare something actually is. An Everly Brothers LP doesn't hold value both because the music didn't transfer down and there were millions of them pressed. Whereas Negative Approach and Minor Threat 7"s can pay off student loans because there are 1,000 of them and repressings have been relatively sparse. But also, much like collector bubbles are cyclical, so are trends. This current wave of rappers and pop stars trying out pop-punk and wearing Discharge and Crass shirts builds that pipeline backwards to the underground. And even if it's only 1% of the millions of people who listen to Machine Gun Kelly or whatever, that's refilling the well for the underground enough to make things retain value and importance long term. Because as great as the Everly Brothers were, they didn't influence someone's lifestyle and beliefs. Hardcore, metal, punk, et. al., those things influence a way of life, and as long as that is happening, I don't think we'll see those candles get snuffed out.
Good point! I think that's the same reason that old Blues artists still command a lot of respect (and their albums still sell for a lot) but old doo-wop albums don't fare as well. Some styles just have more cultural impact down through the ages. It's gonna be interesting to see how well 80s metal is received by future generations. Will Iron Maiden still be revered, or will they and Judas Priest be called 'boomer rock' bands and lumped in with Deep Purple and WIshbone Ash while 'metal' gets redefined as Slipknot, Spiritbox, and Baroness???
@@letstalkmetal I think it's going to be interesting because, not that sales numbers are everything, those bands have a lot farther to fall than others. Obviously Maiden and Priest still do very, very well-and are both big globally, so that helps-but I think it's bands that were playing arenas for a year or two that fall the most in the cultural eye. As much as it hurts to admit it, metal could be seen as a trend or fad given how many bands there were in the 80s that occupied huge cultural spaces but now play state fairs. So I think the big bands will retain value, and the underground stuff is small enough to always appeal to collectors, but it's that middle class of bands that will see the most diminishing returns. Kind of a metphor for class there, huh?
@@DBAnthony90 Good points! Though it can be hard to keep up collector interest in really obscure bands in heavy metal. I've noticed that, compared to other music genres, there are relatively few heavy metal collectors who can and/or will pay really big prices for obscure bands' records. For example, among obscure US HM singles, it often takes only a dozen or so copies to completely satiate the market to the point that prices fall from > $100 to well below that. While lots of people are interested in those records, most are not willing to drop big money on them. It seems to be different in genres like psych, blues, etc where there are a lot of collectors who will pay big money for the unknown stuff.
As always, watching you guys makes me feel better about the money that I spend on cds. hah My cds are like photos...my memories from different periods in my life...definitely some more than others...and mostly the older ones over the newer ones. It's nostalgic and comforting to see them all there even if it is too much to listen to at this point. We are never going to regain that euphoria (and the connection made) of saving up our lunch money, being at the music store the day something is released and then listening to it nonstop for weeks while reading the lyrics. It just isn't going to happen nowadays, but that doesn't mean we can't still enjoy new music and let it make us feel young to some extent.
Excellent conversation! I’d say the most interesting ten minutes began at 2:32:00 pertaining to the cyclical nature of collecting, fluctuation in values, and what might happen to a collection after death. Heavy shit! Thanks y’all :^)
It is indeed heavy and at least for me, weighs a bit heavier on the mind the older one gets. And to top it all off, this shit could be worth next to nothing when I die. Thanks for watching!
I remember my mom getting rid of her vinyl to go to cassettes. Nobody I knew listened to vinyl and the stores I went to didn’t have vinyl. I discovered Relapse when I was 13 and there was always the option to get something on vinyl and I thought to myself that “hey I thought people don’t buy records”. I discovered zines and realized the underground metal community preferred vinyl.
I really miss the early ebay days where you could mostly score some pretty serious classics on wax for cheap. Not anymore. Nowadays you need to figure out an organ donation organization to sell off your parts to just to buy anything on LP from Century Media. Thanks for watching!
Fun episode, guys. Keep flying the flag. Sometime in the late '00s, when I realized physical media was fazing out, I stopped collecting. I went maybe a year without buying anything. MP3s were terrible and I wasn't getting as much pleasure out of music. I thought about it and I don't care if CDs aren't trendy, I like them, so I went right back to buying them, more than ever. I love music. I'll keep collecting as long as they keep making them.
I went through a few years of getting little physical product and instead just bought mp3s. That was mainly due to other things going on in my life where I was watching money carefully while saving for some big items here and there.
@@letstalkmetal I had a few of those years too, but I kept collecting by trading with the used music shops. It inspired me to weed out my collection and just focus on the great albums.
@@kaptaink1897 During those years the local stores had kinda dried up. I had good luck at record shows but the local stores weren't carrying- or getting used stuff- that I wanted. They've turned it around in the past 33-4 years and now there are several local stores that dig up cool stuff.
Great stuff as always, can’t catch you live as I’m in the U.K. and work on a Saturday. I find it weird that people have the time to put their collections in alphabetical order. Keep up the great work guys. Greetings from Belfast.
Not sure if it’s a topic that has come up but I would like to hear a discussion on song covers. And I would like to hear it from different sub genres The good the bad and the weird covers cause I am sure you guys know and have heard a ton of covers the not a lot of people even know about
Many weeks before us. Its a cool idea! thanks for sharing and watching. I would mention begrudgingly Realm's cover of Eleanore Rigby. Was that really necessary?
@@HeavyMetallurgy That is part of the whole concept of it my original idea of is it necessary with the whole the good the bad the weird I recently rediscovered Behemoth a forest a cover of the cure and I love the cover but also there have been covers in the past like cradle of filth hallowed be thy name which I know some people love and some people hate depending on the side of the fence you are on
Thanks a lot for watching and we're glad you enjoyed the show. Yes.... Phil is passionate about Killing is my Business... and though I may rank Rust in Peace a bit Higher, Killing is a close second. There's such an appealing raw energy on the album and in the material. You can tell Dave had something to prove going in. Take care!
@@HeavyMetallurgy No worries Marty! My sleep patterns are fucked up with pain, so I'm awake a lot, so just watched you guy's reviewing the Iron Maiden albums. My favourite band too and it was good watching you guy's views on them. King Fowley too! Fucking loves Book Of Souls!! I'm thinking about throwing to start a channel so it's good watching others.
All it's going to take is a pissed off kitty and a streak of piss across the record rack and you have a longstanding smell problem regarding your records. Moral of the story.... keep kitty happy, which I think we all have witnessed that Myke does indeed!
Luckily many more people are appreciating the real deal again since the comeback of REAL physical-tangible art-the way it's supposed to-you can see that with the resurgences and interest. After that phase of only digital in the 2000's of the general "mass", very rapidly at the same time, many many have realised how fake, sterile and sad it is. And really, I think all of this matters with real music lovers and not just the casual joe that happens to like a song or two on the radio etc.
The best thing about digital is having a million titles at your finger tips in the car, WITHOUT a million cd cases rolling around. Cant tell you how many crashes I've evaded while driving with one knee while changing a CD in the player.
Marty I didn't get to mention this on the live stream, but I was on unemployment for awhile because of the pandemic, and something happened with my claim were I didn't get paid for like 4 months. So 1 week before I started a new job, they put like 3,000 dollars on my card for back pay, so I bought a 900 cd lot from ebay, to add to the 4,000 I already have in the collection.
Wow!! Crushing it! That's a lot to process in a short period of time. Hopefully there are some that you can sell (duplicates) to help pay for the remainder. Thanks for watching.
Hello Marty this was an awesome discussion and stream I also was wondering did you get my email I haven't heard back from you yet so I can ship you a 7-inch record I have I think you will like
@@HeavyMetallurgy that's okay buddy I appreciate you getting back to me just let me know when you email me back with your information so I can send that to you bud appreciate it I think you'll really like it and I will be on the live stream tonight chat
I can’t tell you how much this applied to me and my life. One of the best and therapeutic videos I’ve ever watched on RUclips. Thanks for this and sharing your stories and making sense of all this madness and the love and art of collecting. Cheers! 🍻
You're so welcome man! This show happened so long ago, I forgot how it went down and what we all had to say. Either way, I know I sometimes struggle with keeping up with collecting. "Do I really need this?" Haha. We've all been there. Cheers!
Salutes!! I started "seriously" collecting since the age of 14 or so but I had no influence from my parents or anyone specific. I guess it was just the passion and how music/art made me feel that drew me to wanting to enjoy and collect real art.
For me music collecting encompasses 2 major points of the same importance:
1) The Music and quality (of the medium)
2) The art and the manifestation of that art in the physical world- like arquitecture, paintings, sculptures- The emotional interaction with the graphic art, illustrations, elements of an artifact that expresses an artistic idea is paramount. Just like having the real painting and not just a "photo" of a painting. It's the real deal and the real thing. Nothing can compare.
As far as the content of collecting-LPs and CDs only (depending on the era and how it was recorded in the first place-digital/analogue etc).
I really like hunting down rarities/and specific pressings etc, BUT I don´t purchase rare items just for the sake of being "rare". I don´t want things I don`t like or deem mediocre in my collection anymore. Example of so many more "rare" punk, NWBHM, post-punk, black metal or whatever bands/singles (for example) that are quite bad or just very very run of the mill average mehhhh for me.
Great topic, cheers Al
I'm the same way; I only keep stuff that I enjoy musically. I've passed on many rare items b/c I just don't like them all that much. Similarly I keep a lot of cheap/common/goofy albums b/c I enjoy them even though they aren't 'true' or 'cult' or whatever.
@@letstalkmetal I'm the same way with the comercial vs obscure/underground tags, there's great quality material and bad in both "worlds".
@@recordmass6298 Definitely!
Marty is excellent at curating these streams 👍
Yep, he does a great job!
As does the professor!
@@letstalkmetal yourself included Alan👍
@@fallofbecause4260 LOL I'm just here to look pretty and crack dad jokes :)
@@letstalkmetal well you accomplish that very well 😬
This right here is the best stream you all have done. This to me is the perfect cast of guys you’ve had. If this specific group could come back some time in the future, I’d be pumped!! All your shows are amazing, but this is def my favorite
Thanks for watching and for your feedback. No worries, we will be getting the guys back for sure (Phil will be with us next week). Maybe not all at the same time, but who knows. This collector scum topic is big enough for several episodes for sure. At the very least, bring in a new cast of characters to share their experiences and habits. Glad you're liking Heavy Metallurgy! We love doing it and hope to keep bringing your quality content every week. Cheers!
Absolute fantastic episode🔥 it’s amazing all the same similar stories, experiences and feelings we as collectors have from collecting for many years
It was really cool to hear the similarities and differences in how we all got into collecting stuff.
I think all serious metal heads are somehow linked at hip. Thanks for watching and for the support Mike!
Man y’all boys are a hoot together, love the coalition you dudes have assembled. Cool to hear you grew up on some classic country Marty, that’s my favorite stuff that isn’t metal there is.
Thanks! We had a great bunch of folks helping out on this topic!
Agreed.... great dudes from great channels! glad you have been having fun watching.
I can totally relate to this stream. I’ve always been a collector too. I was the kid who collected insects, then Pokémon, then Yu GI Oh cards, and then that evolved into CDs and music merch.
I still collect Magic: the Gathering cards a bit though not as much in the past year or so.
Super fun conversation tonight! As someone who got the collector bug from my grandpa, I started buying records when they were dirt cheap and have amassed a pretty big collection. I sold off big chunks to pay off medical bills and help get a downpayment for a house, because they are sort of liquid assets to a degree, and I've thankfully never had to part with anything that's meant a ton to me.
To kind of refure one of Alan's points about stuff not transferring to the next generation, I think that's true, but I also think it's about how rare something actually is. An Everly Brothers LP doesn't hold value both because the music didn't transfer down and there were millions of them pressed. Whereas Negative Approach and Minor Threat 7"s can pay off student loans because there are 1,000 of them and repressings have been relatively sparse. But also, much like collector bubbles are cyclical, so are trends. This current wave of rappers and pop stars trying out pop-punk and wearing Discharge and Crass shirts builds that pipeline backwards to the underground. And even if it's only 1% of the millions of people who listen to Machine Gun Kelly or whatever, that's refilling the well for the underground enough to make things retain value and importance long term. Because as great as the Everly Brothers were, they didn't influence someone's lifestyle and beliefs. Hardcore, metal, punk, et. al., those things influence a way of life, and as long as that is happening, I don't think we'll see those candles get snuffed out.
Good point! I think that's the same reason that old Blues artists still command a lot of respect (and their albums still sell for a lot) but old doo-wop albums don't fare as well. Some styles just have more cultural impact down through the ages. It's gonna be interesting to see how well 80s metal is received by future generations. Will Iron Maiden still be revered, or will they and Judas Priest be called 'boomer rock' bands and lumped in with Deep Purple and WIshbone Ash while 'metal' gets redefined as Slipknot, Spiritbox, and Baroness???
@@letstalkmetal I think it's going to be interesting because, not that sales numbers are everything, those bands have a lot farther to fall than others. Obviously Maiden and Priest still do very, very well-and are both big globally, so that helps-but I think it's bands that were playing arenas for a year or two that fall the most in the cultural eye. As much as it hurts to admit it, metal could be seen as a trend or fad given how many bands there were in the 80s that occupied huge cultural spaces but now play state fairs. So I think the big bands will retain value, and the underground stuff is small enough to always appeal to collectors, but it's that middle class of bands that will see the most diminishing returns. Kind of a metphor for class there, huh?
@@DBAnthony90 Good points! Though it can be hard to keep up collector interest in really obscure bands in heavy metal. I've noticed that, compared to other music genres, there are relatively few heavy metal collectors who can and/or will pay really big prices for obscure bands' records. For example, among obscure US HM singles, it often takes only a dozen or so copies to completely satiate the market to the point that prices fall from > $100 to well below that. While lots of people are interested in those records, most are not willing to drop big money on them. It seems to be different in genres like psych, blues, etc where there are a lot of collectors who will pay big money for the unknown stuff.
As always, watching you guys makes me feel better about the money that I spend on cds. hah
My cds are like photos...my memories from different periods in my life...definitely some more than others...and mostly the older ones over the newer ones. It's nostalgic and comforting to see them all there even if it is too much to listen to at this point.
We are never going to regain that euphoria (and the connection made) of saving up our lunch money, being at the music store the day something is released and then listening to it nonstop for weeks while reading the lyrics. It just isn't going to happen nowadays, but that doesn't mean we can't still enjoy new music and let it make us feel young to some extent.
Great analogy. Especially the thrash albums from my teenage years. Those are all like a portal back in time for me. Better times.
Excellent conversation! I’d say the most interesting ten minutes began at 2:32:00 pertaining to the cyclical nature of collecting, fluctuation in values, and what might happen to a collection after death. Heavy shit! Thanks y’all :^)
It is indeed heavy and at least for me, weighs a bit heavier on the mind the older one gets. And to top it all off, this shit could be worth next to nothing when I die. Thanks for watching!
I remember my mom getting rid of her vinyl to go to cassettes. Nobody I knew listened to vinyl and the stores I went to didn’t have vinyl. I discovered Relapse when I was 13 and there was always the option to get something on vinyl and I thought to myself that “hey I thought people don’t buy records”. I discovered zines and realized the underground metal community preferred vinyl.
I really miss the early ebay days where you could mostly score some pretty serious classics on wax for cheap. Not anymore. Nowadays you need to figure out an organ donation organization to sell off your parts to just to buy anything on LP from Century Media. Thanks for watching!
I thought I had the collecting bug bad, but yall are on another level. So thanks for making me feel normal!
Glad we could be of service? haha Thanks for watching.
Fun episode, guys. Keep flying the flag. Sometime in the late '00s, when I realized physical media was fazing out, I stopped collecting. I went maybe a year without buying anything. MP3s were terrible and I wasn't getting as much pleasure out of music. I thought about it and I don't care if CDs aren't trendy, I like them, so I went right back to buying them, more than ever. I love music. I'll keep collecting as long as they keep making them.
I went through a few years of getting little physical product and instead just bought mp3s. That was mainly due to other things going on in my life where I was watching money carefully while saving for some big items here and there.
@@letstalkmetal I had a few of those years too, but I kept collecting by trading with the used music shops. It inspired me to weed out my collection and just focus on the great albums.
@@kaptaink1897 During those years the local stores had kinda dried up. I had good luck at record shows but the local stores weren't carrying- or getting used stuff- that I wanted. They've turned it around in the past 33-4 years and now there are several local stores that dig up cool stuff.
@@letstalkmetal Nice. Slim pickings around here, lately.
@@kaptaink1897 That's a shame :(
Great episode, sorry I missed the Live stream.
No worries, thanks for checking it out!
Thankfully we are archived for your viewing convenience! Thanks for watching!
Again this was highly entertaining. 🤘🤘
Glad you enjoyed it. thanks for watching!
Great stuff as always, can’t catch you live as I’m in the U.K. and work on a Saturday. I find it weird that people have the time to put their collections in alphabetical order. Keep up the great work guys. Greetings from Belfast.
Thanks! Once you get it in ABC order it's not hard to keep doing it, but it is a REAL pain when you have to organize it for the first time :(
Or move! Shit always gets mixed up in the shuffle!
@@HeavyMetallurgy 🤣🤣🤣 that’s an option👍👍
Not sure if it’s a topic that has come up but I would like to hear a discussion on song covers. And I would like to hear it from different sub genres The good the bad and the weird covers cause I am sure you guys know and have heard a ton of covers the not a lot of people even know about
Many weeks before us. Its a cool idea! thanks for sharing and watching. I would mention begrudgingly Realm's cover of Eleanore Rigby. Was that really necessary?
@@HeavyMetallurgy That is part of the whole concept of it my original idea of is it necessary with the whole the good the bad the weird I recently rediscovered Behemoth a forest a cover of the cure and I love the cover but also there have been covers in the past like cradle of filth hallowed be thy name which I know some people love and some people hate depending on the side of the fence you are on
Great episode. Good to hear fellow obsessives talking about the real stuff…
Hi Kevin! Been loving your channel. Yeah man.... twas a fun gathering of addicts for sure. Thanks for hanging with us!
@@HeavyMetallurgy thanks man
This was fucking great. When he produced Killing Is My Business lp andvsaid his piece, it fucking ruled!!
Thanks a lot for watching and we're glad you enjoyed the show. Yes.... Phil is passionate about Killing is my Business... and though I may rank Rust in Peace a bit Higher, Killing is a close second. There's such an appealing raw energy on the album and in the material. You can tell Dave had something to prove going in. Take care!
@@HeavyMetallurgy No worries Marty! My sleep patterns are fucked up with pain, so I'm awake a lot, so just watched you guy's reviewing the Iron Maiden albums. My favourite band too and it was good watching you guy's views on them. King Fowley too! Fucking loves Book Of Souls!! I'm thinking about throwing to start a channel so it's good watching others.
@@DAVEDEATH1000 yeah man. Go for it!
The darkside of collecting, didn't even need to say anything. The visual was enough!!
How does Myke c Town keep his cats away from his stuff, my two are all over that trying to catch the turntable and pulling out cds 😂😂.
And cat fluff is magnetically attracted to records, especially metal!
LOL my cats are not allowed in the same room as my records!
All it's going to take is a pissed off kitty and a streak of piss across the record rack and you have a longstanding smell problem regarding your records. Moral of the story.... keep kitty happy, which I think we all have witnessed that Myke does indeed!
Someone wearing a TANK shirt on YT. Finally.
Phillip had the best shirt of the night, no doubt!
Sharp dressed man.
Every time Marty talks about dying with a collection I’m ready to start selling off
Sell to me.... CHEAP! haha. Thanks for watching Andy!
Luckily many more people are appreciating the real deal again since the comeback of REAL physical-tangible art-the way it's supposed to-you can see that with the resurgences and interest. After that phase of only digital in the 2000's of the general "mass", very rapidly at the same time, many many have realised how fake, sterile and sad it is. And really, I think all of this matters with real music lovers and not just the casual joe that happens to like a song or two on the radio etc.
The difference in sound quality cannot be ignored. And the ability to see the art on a cover instead of a tiny phone screen is a huge deal too.
@@letstalkmetal Exactly
The best thing about digital is having a million titles at your finger tips in the car, WITHOUT a million cd cases rolling around. Cant tell you how many crashes I've evaded while driving with one knee while changing a CD in the player.
Marty I didn't get to mention this on the live stream, but I was on unemployment for awhile because of the pandemic, and something happened with my claim were I didn't get paid for like 4 months. So 1 week before I started a new job, they put like 3,000 dollars on my card for back pay, so I bought a 900 cd lot from ebay, to add to the 4,000 I already have in the collection.
Wow!! Crushing it! That's a lot to process in a short period of time. Hopefully there are some that you can sell (duplicates) to help pay for the remainder. Thanks for watching.
Longest youtube video ive ever watched
Hopefully it was worth your time! thanks for hanging with us!
Hello Marty this was an awesome discussion and stream I also was wondering did you get my email I haven't heard back from you yet so I can ship you a 7-inch record I have I think you will like
I did get it and have been busy, so it totally slipped my mind to get back to you.
@@HeavyMetallurgy that's okay buddy I appreciate you getting back to me just let me know when you email me back with your information so I can send that to you bud appreciate it I think you'll really like it and I will be on the live stream tonight chat
I thought I had the collecting bug bad, but yall are on another level. So thanks for making me feel normal!