The concluding part of this scene is where we discover that it was the VP's wife who shared the list and outed the Presidents daughter and Will was forced to sit on it.
@darwinkilledgod Its political redirection; its when a politician takes something the opposing side supports or claims something for the greater good when in reality they are simply trying to further their own ideology/agenda. Being a right wing "aw shucks," congresswoman in the late 90s early 00s, that agenda would be stopping stem cell research at all costs.
@@fenrisulven5324 I will never cease to be astonished by America conservatives ability to make everything the fault of the left. Even a Republican president still supported by the majority of his party, is somehow the fault of liberals. There is no good faith in American conservatism, it is pure evil.
Funn how Toby can champion “undirected” research while directing funds to research that he favors ideologically. He hides behind “Science” while denying there are any trade offs.
@@nukm4 he ran on a platform of discontent with the current government and got a lot of protest and non voters to go to the booth, it seems a correct statement that a significant enough potion of voters didn't like at least the last years of the obama administration
@@scarletfluerr I wasn't criticizing at all, just pointing out the irony of the situation. I don't care what other people do in their personal lives that doesn't affect me.
@@joemckim1183not really ironic. Actors are more likely to engage in roles that speak to their own personal struggles, like facing discrimination. Even if it's by playing the discriminatory opposition. For example, plenty of Jews have played Nazis. It's a way to ensure the story gets told.
255 projects, not just identical projects with their names phrased and spelled in an identical way but also in the same order. That's a forensic test. What do I mean phrased? Department of Defense vs. Defense Department vs. DOD vs. DoD, with or without "the," with or without a capital T. The same name can be phrased differently. It's hard to find a name of anything, especially anything in government, that can't be phrased at least three ways. Imagine if something is spelled wrong in both lists. Icing on the cake.
I see what Toby means. If federal government spent more taxpayers money on everything, maybe something would be helpful. I don't think in this one instance, that he made his point well.
This is actually a reference to the sex worker study which set the ball rolling on HPV. Now we have a vaccine for cancer. This is why you can never tell where research goes.
So this would be the same NIH that became famous for funding "Gain of Function" research? Barbara could have saved a lot of lives if it not for people like Toby Ziegler.
One of the funniest things about this show is watching how "the press" is all pushing, probing and challenging the Bartlett team all the time about what its doing; and yet back in realville the press protect and serve the democrat agenda tooth and nail.
iloveamerica11 You are worried about the "Democrat Agenda" of the press when we just had a former pathological-lying psychopath/sociopath President attempt an out-and-out coup of an election like a banana republic dictator?!?! When the press has uncovered uncontroverted evidence that when we once believed that there were 5 New York Crime Families, that it has been revealed that there are actually 6 New York Crime Families - Gambino, Lucchese, Genovese, Bonanno, Colombo and TRUMP (Rudy as the Underboss/Consigliere).
@@normancarter5419 Nobody outside of NY cares about NY. Yes, the Democrat Agenda is to destroy this country. The people in America who own all the guns just forgot to bring them with them to the out and out coup attempt? Same press that uncovered Russia collusion that ended up as nothing.
You’re being funny, right? Because the mainstream media didn’t stand up to trump or question him at all. Fox “News” literally lied to their audience every night according to their own emails. All they cared about were ratings, not the truth. Hannity traveled with trump’s campaign and even spoke at his rallies. We know OAN and RSBN only present the MAGA point of view and demonize anyone who disagrees with the MAGA anti American agenda. Biden gets a slew of important laws passed and the media can’t be bothered to report on it because they’re too busy talking about trump’s latest incoherent rant or DeSantis’ latest authoritarian power grab. So get real. The media have been in the pocket of the right for years.
@YNot1989 I'm confused... I'm in the sciences and nothing she said struck me as untrue. There is a zero-sum amount of public funding for research. Concentrating on common, high-risk illnesses just sounds reasonable to me. Basic research is good, and Toby was right that we don't know where the next cure will come from. But that doesn't mean we should have no priorities. I haven't seen this episode...so maybe I'm missing something.
@@Dabhach1 Yes, she is. Her argument has been the same since the 80s, when her President and party neglect HIV for 6 years until the death of Rock Hudson.
@@Dabhach1 That isn't the case at all in the West Wing. Anyone that stands in the belief that this show shows republicans as evil aren't paying attention.
@@Dabhach1 this is the same show that gave us Ainsley Hayes and Arnie Vinnick and said that the best way to keep the Supreme Court strong and successful would be to put the best and smartest people from both sides of the political divide in it so they can give issues the proper, rigorous debate that they deserve. And don't forget that the show was begun after Bill Clinton had left many Democrats angry at unkept promises and poor behaviour. The show was a massive warning to Democrat politicians: "Do better".
The concluding part of this scene is where we discover that it was the VP's wife who shared the list and outed the Presidents daughter and Will was forced to sit on it.
Thanks Rick! I have enjoyed putting these together.
I always thought she should play Laura Bush. She looks so much like hef.
Laura Bush isn't a Lesbian like Cherry Jones..
@@epramos6800 She's an actress dipshit. It doesn't matter if she's a lesbian in real life or not.
@@bfsgman awww, the triggered defender of lesbians and lames
@@epramos6800 You're triggered at being an asshole.
Agreed
She later went on to play the President in "24".
One of like 8 different presidents.
if you were a president on 24, you didn't last very long lol
A few short years later, she became president
@darwinkilledgod Its political redirection; its when a politician takes something the opposing side supports or claims something for the greater good when in reality they are simply trying to further their own ideology/agenda. Being a right wing "aw shucks," congresswoman in the late 90s early 00s, that agenda would be stopping stem cell research at all costs.
Amazing how inoculated you are to an opposing pov made in good faith. That's why you got Trump.
@@fenrisulven5324 I will never cease to be astonished by America conservatives ability to make everything the fault of the left. Even a Republican president still supported by the majority of his party, is somehow the fault of liberals. There is no good faith in American conservatism, it is pure evil.
@@nukm4 "pure evil" you are extremely well programmed.
Funn how Toby can champion “undirected” research while directing funds to research that he favors ideologically. He hides behind “Science” while denying there are any trade offs.
@@nukm4 he ran on a platform of discontent with the current government and got a lot of protest and non voters to go to the booth, it seems a correct statement that a significant enough potion of voters didn't like at least the last years of the obama administration
And then SHE became President! And left in disgrace...
The ironic thing here is that Cherry Jones is a lesbian.
It's called acting, that's what actresses do.
@@scarletfluerr What's sad is he didn't understand anything that went on in this scene LOL
@@scarletfluerr I wasn't criticizing at all, just pointing out the irony of the situation. I don't care what other people do in their personal lives that doesn't affect me.
@@joemckim1183not really ironic. Actors are more likely to engage in roles that speak to their own personal struggles, like facing discrimination. Even if it's by playing the discriminatory opposition. For example, plenty of Jews have played Nazis. It's a way to ensure the story gets told.
Doesn’t he assume Will did this in conjunction with the VP after this conversation?
Morgan.....good ones..
"Your lists are identical."
in a just world, that would've been checkmate.
255 projects, not just identical projects with their names phrased and spelled in an identical way but also in the same order. That's a forensic test.
What do I mean phrased? Department of Defense vs. Defense Department vs. DOD vs. DoD, with or without "the," with or without a capital T. The same name can be phrased differently. It's hard to find a name of anything, especially anything in government, that can't be phrased at least three ways.
Imagine if something is spelled wrong in both lists. Icing on the cake.
@@BradyPostma If I'm remembering the episode correctly it turned out that she didn't get the list from who Toby thought.
@@matthewboyle8626 They they wrote ''just'' they meant ''simple''
I see what Toby means.
If federal government spent more taxpayers money on everything, maybe something would be helpful. I don't think in this one instance, that he made his point well.
This is actually a reference to the sex worker study which set the ball rolling on HPV. Now we have a vaccine for cancer. This is why you can never tell where research goes.
I don’t think that was what he said.
But it honestly depends on how and where it’s spent in each sector and the return on investment- not the amount.
1:02 HAH
People the the character depicted here, is why people in the sciences like myself, cant' stand Republicans.
@@asanokatana Sure, we've all met the scientists against science. That's an Alternative Fact.
Scientists have long since sold their souls for a political agenda.
By character depicted here you mean a fictional stereotyped person dreamt up in the mind of a TV screenwriter? THAT'S why you can't stand Republicans?
@@NT-fo3me Because fallacious politicians that twist studies and data to serve their own agenda don't exist at all in the real world, amirite?
Well we despise you left wing nut jobs....you do not believe in science....it's your AGENDA...
So this would be the same NIH that became famous for funding "Gain of Function" research?
Barbara could have saved a lot of lives if it not for people like Toby Ziegler.
One of the funniest things about this show is watching how "the press" is all pushing, probing and challenging the Bartlett team all the time about what its doing; and yet back in realville the press protect and serve the democrat agenda tooth and nail.
iloveamerica11 You are worried about the "Democrat Agenda" of the press when we just had a former pathological-lying psychopath/sociopath President attempt an out-and-out coup of an election like a banana republic dictator?!?! When the press has uncovered uncontroverted evidence that when we once believed that there were 5 New York Crime Families, that it has been revealed that there are actually 6 New York Crime Families - Gambino, Lucchese, Genovese, Bonanno, Colombo and TRUMP (Rudy as the Underboss/Consigliere).
@@normancarter5419 Nobody outside of NY cares about NY. Yes, the Democrat Agenda is to destroy this country. The people in America who own all the guns just forgot to bring them with them to the out and out coup attempt? Same press that uncovered Russia collusion that ended up as nothing.
Yeah I know that Fox News they all they do is support Democrats and they're just so honest.
Nonsense.
You’re being funny, right? Because the mainstream media didn’t stand up to trump or question him at all. Fox “News” literally lied to their audience every night according to their own emails. All they cared about were ratings, not the truth. Hannity traveled with trump’s campaign and even spoke at his rallies. We know OAN and RSBN only present the MAGA point of view and demonize anyone who disagrees with the MAGA anti American agenda. Biden gets a slew of important laws passed and the media can’t be bothered to report on it because they’re too busy talking about trump’s latest incoherent rant or DeSantis’ latest authoritarian power grab. So get real. The media have been in the pocket of the right for years.
@YNot1989 I'm confused... I'm in the sciences and nothing she said struck me as untrue. There is a zero-sum amount of public funding for research. Concentrating on common, high-risk illnesses just sounds reasonable to me. Basic research is good, and Toby was right that we don't know where the next cure will come from. But that doesn't mean we should have no priorities.
I haven't seen this episode...so maybe I'm missing something.
You're not missing anything. It's The West Wing, she's a Republican, ergo, she's evil.
@@Dabhach1 Yes, she is. Her argument has been the same since the 80s, when her President and party neglect HIV for 6 years until the death of Rock Hudson.
@@Dabhach1 That isn't the case at all in the West Wing. Anyone that stands in the belief that this show shows republicans as evil aren't paying attention.
@@Dabhach1 this is the same show that gave us Ainsley Hayes and Arnie Vinnick and said that the best way to keep the Supreme Court strong and successful would be to put the best and smartest people from both sides of the political divide in it so they can give issues the proper, rigorous debate that they deserve. And don't forget that the show was begun after Bill Clinton had left many Democrats angry at unkept promises and poor behaviour. The show was a massive warning to Democrat politicians: "Do better".