Dark Souls 2 Story ► Alonne and the Iron King
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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GLORIOUS 60FPS
Took my non-glorious Australian internet twice as long to upload. You'd better bloody appreciate it I tell you what
Appreciated.
ehhh do i have to .-.
I tell you hwut, if you are in Perth the NBN should be there in the next year or so, depending how close you are to the CBD.
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO. huuuuAAAARRRGH *proceeds to knock shit down*
FINNALY!
this story was beautifully crafted and well told. i got chills and only well told story's do that. your attention to detail and quality is very much appreciated. please keep up the good work! and thank you!
WOOOOOOOOW
WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I never put two and two together there. Really well-done, Vaati!
i love these videos man, i never would have found this out
Simply amazing... Great work. I want to make an Iron King build now...
Been looking fir Sir Alonne's lore for a while now. He's the easterner I believe. and yes, this clarifies my thoughts about him. And I love his style.
Dude, you gave me shivers.
Imagine being a dark entity going to a kingdom to ruin only to find it already dead.
How in the fuck do you find all of this out? Its incredible the amount of research you put into these videos and I truly amend you for that. I must admit I don't play Dark Souls (1 or 2) for the story so much, but the way you present the story makes it fascinating. Thanks for these videos. They're truly excellent. PS Glorious 60 FPS, let the peasants look on in awe as they've most likely never seen such beauty.
I lost it at the end ;_;
Lay down
Try not to cry
Cry a lot :,,(
Your voice is so relaxed and soothing. So refreshing compared to the annoying screaming kids begging for attention. Love your videos so much!
1:02
"From the yeast..."
From the YEET
While I absolutely love this theory, I believe that Sir Alonne became one of the cursed, when Alonne realized it, he left in fear that he may infect his lord, when the Iron King found out he searched and went to confront Alonne, with a final lesson in hand the two fought, but being his friend the Iron King refused to strike down Alonne, thus while Alonne maintained some of his humanity, killed himself, rather than let himself succumb to the curse, he kept the old throne as a reminder, as a charm to keep his humanity intact in hope that it was his friend the Iron King would be the one to end his tale and not the curse, feeling helpless as he watched his friend die and helpless that he couldn't stop the curse, the Iron King was driven mad, with his judgment clouded and him being in denial, I think he believed if he infused Alonne's soul to an armor that he would return, when he did the Smelter was born, and then after that the Smelter went onto killing everyone and sinking the kingdom of Iron, and then that's when the guilt of everything is when he threw himself into the lava, or something.
At least that's what I think after hearing this a lot and thinking about it. I think that the way the fight is is backwards. By that i mean that if you don't get hit, its backwards, where the King didn't hit Alonne and that's when he killed himself rather that let the curse take over, and if you get hit its like the King knew and put Alonne down himself just as Alonne wanted, That's just what i think though.
I miss hellkite drake so much right now
you could say the Iron King was left Alonne...
I now think that maybe Alone got possessed by his sword, like maybe something weakened his spirit and he couldn't hold back the cursed blades hunger for blood, and the Alone knights where trying to keep the King safe and when the King met with Alone the sword nearly possessed him whole, after a long battle Alone was able to reclaim his body and then killed himself. Or something, i want to believe that Alone and the King had to end their relationship in that way rather than how its stated here. its not that i dont like this ending, but because how Alone's sword is.
pride(eagle) and serpent(wisdom) in thus spoke zarathustra.
Do you have an actual link to the first song? I tried googling it and couldn't find it.
Great Video by the way!
Im crying.....
Can we have some lore on the old knights from heids tower of flame?
so this gave me an idea, you know how in the giant lord boss you can only summon either drummond or benhart? you know how your reliving someones memories, it seems to me, that the memories you relive are of the giants souls you aquire, and the reason you can only summon benhart or drummond is because you are taking the other persons place. (which kinda explains why benhart is practically sitting in front of drummonds resting place, kinda like visiting a friends grave) then you see him in the memory, kinda hinting that he was there, or maybe his dad or grandfather (who knows how long it has been since the war against the giants) but i like the idea that the chosen undead is not the ONLY hero capable of defeating "bosses" it would also explain why captain drummond can live past the boss fight,
either way, it being the fallen giants memory, you dont get to know which of the 2 actually killed the giant lord, since the fallen giant probably died before witnessing it... either way, thats my theory, and in my opinion, i like it more than the "chosen undead" being the only hero capable of saving the day
Holy crap...that actually makes near-perfect sense! Also, since undead have been cannonically stated to never age, Benny could have been the hero all along, and is wandering Drangleic as a sort of pilgrimage.
If you played the first dark souls you know that you are not the only chosen undead, as it is hinted that Solaire defeated Gwyn and fueled the flame in his world
dark souls works on a multiverse theory where people cross over unexpectedly
Benheart is every bit the hero of destiny that you are
he has traveled where you have and done what you have
sometimes you cross paths to lend eatchother aid
1ZombieRob but thats not confirmed, thats like saying EVERYONE is doing just that, including the npc's in majula, even each undead you find. that would also mean that drummond is doing just that. the chosen undead story is just that, a story. and much lore hints on it just being a myth to try to lure undead. most of the things we speculated are about as true as what you said.
kevin rodriguez Everyone is doing that, but some turn hollow when their wills fade. The chosen undead is chosen by themselves.
Madison Maze lol idk what your point even is.
Very well done! i can not wait for your Bloodborne Videos:D
did anyone think that Vaati said "from the yeast" at 1:03 ?
What's the center bonfire on the cartographer's map in the mansion? I've lit all the bonfires on the wiki page and that one is still not lit up in my game.
its mostly killing bosses not bonfire
Wait, so what exactly is the blue Smelter Demon then?
hey what is the name of the song played as the Iron King rushed out from the chamber after Sir Alonne's death?
Having never played DS2, my knowledge of it has been that it's far inferior to its predecessor. Two episodes into this lore playlist, I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Also, I love your editing. Using created characters to represent and reenact scenes from the lore!? That's brilliant. Love your page, man. Can't wait to see what you do with "Bloodborne."
So... The man that receives Gwynn's soul is short sighted, obsesses with fire, locks away the undead out of fear, alienates his closest advisor, and ends up leaving behind an empty cursed kingdom with but a single guardian as he burns eternally
Well you can't say the Soul of Light doesn't keep things consistent.
Wait. How do we know Old Iron King has Gwyns soul?
Darasilverdragon well at least we get the soul of lords from one of the most epic final boss fights of all time, from a being that is a culmination of kings past who isn't a complete failure and leaves behind a world of darkness rather than a kingdom of despair
@@mentalbreakgaming3102 you talking about Soul of Cinder?
@@Trancer006 because in new game + he drops gwyns soul or "soul of the lord of light"
It's the "old king soul" could be Gwyns soul or a part of it because it creates a lightning miracle or a dragonslayer greatbow. It could also be the real iron kings soul, because the thing you fight is actually a creature that was born from using the old iron kings body.
I love how at 5:38 he giggles at his own possibly unintentional pun about the king being "Alonne".
hahahahaha, I suppose that sounds like a giggle? I didn't mean to!
I didn't even notice, nice catch mate! I was so immersed into the lore :)
god, why does every badass in this game have such a sad story
because it's realistic in a way, nothing good can last forever.
Neither can anything bad last forever, btw
King Fancy because prepare to cry.
Thats How They Became The Badass In The First Place
It DarkSouls you take a guess
Man, no matter which way I look at it, Ivory King's still the best monarch of the four... Not really surprised though, he's one of the closest things to a true hero that we see in the games.
What about artorias then?
Well, Artorias wasn't a king.
A hero, yes, but not a king.
There are quiet a lot of contenders for the title of "greatest hero" in these games. I'd say my favourite would be Siegfried in DS3.
MrTrollaid Ummm, do you mean Seigward??
siegward is a hero but i dont think he is on the same level as ivory king or artorias.
Alonne was to the Iron King what Guts was to Griffith
holy shit, didn't think about those parallels. Nice catch
Wow too true.
VaatiVidya Some kind of Berserk video would be cool, it's a great story that has echoed throughout both Dark Souls games, perhaps a video on the various parallels?
GRIFFIIIIIIITHHH!
louisgworld DIdn't Manus suck their daughters tits too?
Is it just me or does Alonne bear a striking resemblance to a player character? A godly wanderer with no discernible motivations whatsoever. No past, no home, no background; appears from nowhere and changes everything.
Hes from a place doh the "east" cough japan
Dandalf ThyRed So you're saying Alonne represents wise eastern Buddhism coming to teach westerners and failing at such?
Yeah kinda like shiva
+Zeracan The arrogance of the west was too much for the wisdom and it destroyed it.
Blue Eyes White Teddy MURICA! Kind of makes you proud huh?
Y'know, looking at all the kings and their queens, I'm beginning to believe that the overarching theme of Dark Souls 2 is duality... almost an expansion of the disparity the first flame brought.
Look at each of the kings and their queens and notice that they really do seem to be two sides of the same coin:
Vendrick represents generosity, attempting to build a world for his people to live happily. Opposing this is Nashandra, representing greed - an insatiable lust for power even at the cost.
The Sunken King represents serenity. Their people very heavily into faith and worshiped a sleeping dragon... their world was relatively at peace. But then there's Elana, who easily represents rage, her influence on Sihn showing the destruction of the Sunken City.
The Old Iron King represents ambition... this is obviously shown in this video. Nadalia, however, seems opposed to having anyone tap into the same ambition as her would-be king, even going as far as to seal away the scepter that lights the fire. Also, instead of doing anything with Brume Tower beyond her dance, she simply sits and waits, leaving everything to the guards she enticed. I believe she represents essentially laziness or sloth.
Finally, the most obvious of the four, the Ivory King. This man above all else, represents bravery and valor. A warrior from a far-off land, he was the first to engage the enemy in all his battles as king. He even dove into the depths of Chaos without fear... which is clearly what his queen represents. She says so herself.
"But then there's Elana, who easily represents rage, her influence on Sihn showing the destruction of the Sunken City."
No?
Elana didn't make Sihn go mad, it was Yorgh stabbing Sihn in the heart!
@@IAmTheChimbleySweep yeah, but its generally agreed she sang poison into sihn's heart
this is because the queens seek what they do not have, as they seek to be made whole again
And yet with Alsana we see something new. Instead of submitting to her nature like all of her sisters, Alsana is saved. Her Ivory King gives her compassion, even knowing who and what she is, even knowing how fearful and dark she is, he loves and has faith in her, entrusting her with the security of the entire world, implicitly believing, that if his attempt to sate the Chaos should fail, that frail, dark creature who he loved dearly, would be the one who's might would hold the Chaos at bat in his stead. And she did everything he believed she could and more. Thanks to just a bit of compassion, Alsana is able to overcome her fear and become brave, overcome her frailty and become strong, overcome her destiny and forge her own purpose, and most of all, she is able to overcome her own darkness, and shine the brightest of anyone in her age. Alsana may have been born the fearful child of Manus, but she comes the represent the most powerful thing of all, The One Who Overcomes.
the soul description for the queen of the iron king say shes represented solitude
I'm surprised you didn't discuss how the Iron King was transformed into the fiery lava demon. That seems like a critical part of the story.
Just a small part
Seeing the video, it got me thinking about this.. Demons are likely brought to life by negative sentiments. I believe all of that avarice and regret the Iron King have had for doing so much horrible things just to become stronger for himself only, ended transforming him in the thing we know, after he threw himself in the lava.
it is... maybe he finds gwyn's soul underground after he "hurls himself into the magma," and that + the bad vibes of having killed his best friend and watched his kingdom collapse into ruin spawned the old iron king boss we know and (tepidly) love?
its actually not that big of a deal other than he randomly turns into a huge fire bat.
It's also part of the base game, this video shows that which relates more to the DLC.
Great video! I did laugh hysterically when you "hurled yourself into the fire" by just casually sprinting off the ledge. Only so much you can do in-engine :D
"This man, was Alonne"
Poor guy, he must be so lonely
+guilherme chus And Alonne went away and left the Iron King all alonne...
+Steel 79 Lonnely, I am so lonnely
This king was so stubborn, he managed to make an elevator that goes up but takes you down... fuck logic
+Wiler “El Negro” Prime That fucking elevator is the immersion breaker 5000
well you got to get up to get down
colt grisham You have to go up a tower to get to an old iron kingdom that has sunken into the lava seem realistic to you?
You dont get the refrence
no i don't care to explain?
So Alonne left the Iron King 'alonne'?
No, he left him alone
Don't know if that was a typo or not
+TheKingZion pretty sure it was a joke
+TheKingZion ?
All I'm saying is that he spelt alone wrong, he spelt it with two n's
Eh it was probably a typo, i'll drop
+TheKingZion it's a play on words. he left him alonne. because his name is alonne. get it? it's a joke
He held the iron throne before it was cool.
dork yface 😂
That sounds...painful
Really painful
The real reason the head of the Knights left the Iron King and locked himself up in a fortress by himself? He realised that no matter how much he and the King were BFFs, no matter how many subordinates and how much power he had, he would always be *Forever Alonne*.
I hate you...
Huhueheuueuheuheuhuueheuheueuhe
Your pic matches that punchline perfectly lol.
Lovely.
nice one
dark souls is the one game where things that happen in the game actually give me THE FEELS
Agreed
Maxwell Lindley He said ones that make you get feels, not ones that make you feel bad for getting such a Shit game
Ravelord Nito undertale was litto af my dood
GOD DAMNIT THE FEELS HIT ME WHEN HE SHOWED THE OLD IRON KING THRONE.
Vaati, I may just be another fan but I must thank you. I thank you for every ounce of thought and consideration you've put into creating videos like these. I thank you for connecting with the community and sharing with us how Dark Souls' lore can be perceived. And, thanks for being a great guy in general.
I may be one person, I may be young, I may not be someone you know; but I appreciate the time and effort you've put into the Dark Souls community. The fact that you've made these videos shows how much you care, if anything you're dedicated and I thank you for it.
As always have a good morning, afternoon, evening or night.
Thanks mate, that's really kind of you. I'm glad people still appreciate these contributions.
VaatiVidya Of course people appreciate your work, I myself get on here every day and hope to see another video up because your effort is just top notch. Like the masterminds of the Souls Games themselves you put detail into your work that people like myself and your many fans all are blown back by.
As another fan I also add my thanks and hope to see much more of your work in the future to come. For as long as you stay on RUclips I hope your work is seen by more people to be appreciated by all those around.
Thanks again for everything.
PS: Can I has a hug? (/OoO)/
DeiStar Alpha I've always been so captivated by Dark Souls lore. It's some of the best writing in gaming. Then people say "it doesn't have much of a story" I've always reply with, just pay attention and there will be a story! It will be one of the best stories you've ever seen! Just pay attention people! But now I just send them to your videos, which by the way are awesome. That accent is like the cherry topping of this story telling though, good narration can make any story seem interesting. I listened to Morgan Freeman talk about penguins for nearly 3 hours, it may have just been videos of them eating and pooping but simply because he was narrating it easily turned it into the most intense 3 hours of my life. And when the story is this amazing, tragic and deep it's literally popcorn worthy! Thanks for all the hard work you put into making these. Recording footage, making characters, finding the gear to play boss character rolls with your main character... can't imagine how long that takes.
It's been over a year since I posted this, and let's see...
Holy shit! Over 60 one-up's? You guys are the best. Thanks, all!
vaati you make OIK's story sound like something out of Hokuto no Ken or maybe a tragic romance. Or maybe:
"It's over, Old Iron King! I have the high ground!"
"YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER!"
haha
***** or maybe *Terminator theme plays as old iron king slowly falls into lava*
Still a better love story than Twilight
Nice meme xddd
bro,everything(regardless of it being a love story or not) is better than twilight
I'm actually just thinking that since the Smelter Demon is kind of like Alonne, I'd like to think that the Iron King had a moment to block, to evade, to fight back but seeing the image of his dear friend and mentor in a different form, he simply accepted the blow. Then the question "is the Smelter Demon really strong enough to take down the King who had bested Alonne" wouldn't matter because he accepted the death himself.
It kinda fits the aftermath of his fight with Alonne too. Broken man and all, maybe he sees redemption or something similar by being struck down by something that resembled Alonne.
Just a thought though.
I always feel like this videos are far greater than just the lore of the game now...
They tell a story of a fictional world, but it reflects well on our current society.
Also the visuals expand over the regular borders of the game by using clever tricks, which is pretty impressive
Vaati, if you're reading this, I want you to know that I have great respect for you and your work, those videos are small masterpieces and allthough it's not the most cinematic game, you acieve an atmosphere that is hard to find on youtube!
Thanks mate, i'll keep doing the best I can :)
VaatiVidya Vaati I just realized something thanks to this video Don't you think Alonne's sword with its description and that it looks exactly the same as the Makoto from DS1 if you can make video with these two swords I think you'll find something very interesting
Tony Infinite Makoto is from Demon's Souls.
Johnny Blade its called the Chaos blade wielded by undead master makoto which is a clear reference to the same sword in Demons souls basically different games same sword sorry if i confused anyone.
I've always really liked Alonne. He kinda reminded me of Artorias. Once of my favorite Souls series boss fights.
Really??? alonne? I mean fume knight yea but alonne lol to each their own
@@azrael9387 fume knight is cool but if we're talking about an absolute BADASS I choose The Ivory King
since when dark souls is so sentimenatal, because man this story almost made me cry P.S it would made a great movie
the Rotten is attempting to put together a statue before meeting its demise by your hand, death is its only release for its misfortunate existence
Watch vaati's Ivory King video. It has more feels.
This comes out as a downright Shakespearean Tragedy.
only if peter jackson is the producer.
Check the story of the ivory king man, every time I visit the keep it brings tears to my eyes.
alonne is a such a badass. one of the best fights in the souls games.
It looks great, especially when you first enter through the fog.
Spawn
the presentation and everything else is spectacular. it's like a nice dinner at a restaurant.
Pretty much the only cool fight in the second game, sadly :/
Crazen
Apart from you know Sinh, Raime, Ivory King, cause they totally sucked >.> I would even put Looking Glass Knight, Smelter Demon 1 and first Pursuer fight as pretty damn cool.
XDarkFableX
I agree with Raime and the Ivory King, but Sihn is just way too similar to Kalameet, to the point where it's just not memorable.The rest of the ones you said are pretty uninteresting and repetitive(i'm looking at you, Smelter Demon/Pursuer!).Also, notice how all these are in DLCs?When From said they wouldn't even add DLCs to Dark Souls 2?
"And then, from the yeast..."
Came the pillsbury dough boy.
Poke him and he'll giggle.
Pound him flawlessly and he’ll poke himself.
Ok, now how did the Iron King turn into Balrog? That's what I wanna know.
+TheSimplyJJP
From what I understand, the Iron King, in his hubris, attempted to animate iron with a soul and thus created the Smelter Demon. This creature, uncontrollable, killed the Iron King. Afterward, the Iron King's stronghold, the Iron Keep sunk into lava due to its sheer weight as it was composed entirely out of iron. The Iron King's body was submerged with the Keep and, from there, interacted with the dormant Lord Soul of Gwyn that, over the eons, had been buried at that spot. Attracted to the powerful residual soul of the Iron King, the Lord Soul possessed the Iron King's body and created the monster that haunts the remnants of the Iron Keep.
+Joe Shmo how did you find this out?
Kody Houle
The information I utilized came from the Smelter Demon's Soul description:
Soul of the Smelter Demon, that haunts the castle that sunk into a pool of iron.
The Old Iron King's life was taken by a mass of iron that had been given a soul. Was this metal goliath there from the beginning, or was it a product of the king's conceit?
The Old Iron King's Soul description:
Soul of the Old Iron King, who succumbed
to the flames that swallowed his castle.
The Iron King's flesh was charred, and his
soul possessed by the things that lurk below.
The Old King Soul description:
Soul of the ineffable.
This once magnificent soul continues to exert influence over the land, even after the eons have reduced it to these remnants.
and then some educated guesswork.
Alonne wields a cursed blade, a 'youto', a blade so powerful and bloodthirsty it will feed on the wielder if it doesn't draw blood or souls.
The Japanese myth of cursed blades always tells stories of swordsmen who live for the battle because the blade beckons it to. The swordsmen are merely vessels for the demon in the blade, they gain power and bloodlust through the possession.
I believe Alonne or rather the blade has no motivation except for killing, and the only reason he is here is to reap souls. When he was defeated the sword deems him unworthy and drives him to commit seppuku, and allows itself to fall into the hands of the player who is obviously stronger and can feed it more.
sudoku*
Jake Okumura Don't worry it's an internet joke to intentionally mistake sudoku for seppuku and VaatiVidya himself made that mistake unintentionally last time.
Also to further my speculation here, Alonne probably became a general or soldier so that he can slay undead with no consequences and feed the blade.
Jake Okumura it was a joke from a previous video
as the player commits seppuku the sword will not leave you for another as you can not die.
KS Ng No Waferr is right. imgur.com/gallery/dqkY0o1 See?
VaatiVidya > Morgan Freeman.
VaatiVidya = Morgan Freeman
Man your videos FUCKING ROCK!
+άσ' το This video was awesome to watch.
+VaatiVidya I would love artist and tracklist for these videos....Your selections are perfect
Carson drew it did this one. And aren't the tracks in the description? I can't check right now I'm on mobile. Sorry if not
IT was a bit overwhelming when he commited Sudoku
Not sure if sarcasm, but the word you're looking for is seppuku. *fliesaway*
TheAverageGlasses it's a reference to one of vaati's other videos
TheAverageGlasses
knowyourmeme.com/memes/commit-sudoku
TheAverageGlasses sudoku is a recurring meme due to them being both Japanese and sounding similar
Jarrod0067
I see! You learn something new all the time. ^^
"Nurtured properly, Man's Ambition allows us to take flight. On Ambition's back, we reach greater heights, and kingdoms are elevated alongside the man. But if man looks back and sees not where he has been, then on which path does he travel?" - Extremely Poignant and thought provoking. Cheers Vaati!
Really? I'm like wtf does that even mean?
@@mingodingo basically it means that its cool to be ambitious, but you've got to remember where you came from, otherwise youre in danger of falling to hubris
It's always amazing to think that the Smelter Demon destroyed the Iron King in one swing. One has to wonder if that single blow obliterated the Iron Kingdom, sinking it in to the depths. It would be an awesome sight to behold.
I doubt it was the Smelter Demon who destroyed the Kingdom, likely there was a greater monster that in its fury and power, destroyed itself and the kingdom together.
Idk, smelter seems like he's just not powerful enough to sink everyone into Lava.
***** I always just thought the Iron King was just too big of a bitch to fight for himself, and lead to Smelty owning him with one hit. Then again, his hammer does require one strong mofo to wield it...so maybe he got smacked through a window, lived, but fell into lava? (gravity is the only thing that could kill Tarkus, after all)
joshua kim I'm not sure if the Smelter Hammer is even belongs to the Smelter Demon. For starters, we only see two Smelter Demons in the game, both of which use swords.
Granted that the Smelter Hammer was not always used as a hammer... Still, the enemies who wield this massive tool are unique in of themselves.
That said, having multiple Smelter Demons also brings questions into whether or not it was he who destroyed the Kingdom.
Is it more Time Travel?
Is Aged Smelter just a Demon from another time from ours?
Is it the same Smelter Demon?
Are they different, aside from being Red and Blue / Fire or Magic?
Or was it figurative, and that the Smelter Demons were a point of contention among the Kingdom's citizens, and why they eventually left their King. As had many knights who left to join Sir Alonne, following him to places far away?
Alternatively, maybe the Old Iron King built these Demons as a way to replace his army of Alonne Knights after they had abandoned him?
Or still yet, as a massive Juggernaught and war machine, poised to strike at other Kingdoms. The Old Iron King's equivalent to German Panzer divisions.
Surely, this iron behemoth would spare countless numbers of loyal knights from battle, while acting as a brutal force on the front lines, crushing those who oppose him.
True, Smelter Demons are powerful. But hardly strong enough to sink an entire Kingdom through force.
And unless the King was SL1, I doubt any Smelter could 1 Shot him.
***** Iron King Hammer. The thing requires 50 strength to use, NOT the Smelter Hammer.
joshua kim Ah, lol wasn't sure which hammer we were talking about. Yeah, falling out a window is plausible I suppose.
Truly, the stress fades away when we sit by the bonfire and listen to stories of great people, creatures, and places from Storyteller Vidya.
I completely forgot that the alonne fight was a memory.
it always confused me that it was called "memory of the old iron king" and not "memory of alonne", i was like "what?"
now it makes sense, this is the memory of the old iron king because this is what the old iron king remembered, i had a theory that sir alonne "disappearing" was you going back in time and killing him, but that wasn't the case.I always thought that memories and time travel were the same thing in souls. it makes more sense that they aren't.
So you ever just platonically find someone and help them completely revolutionize their kingdom out of platonic friendship. But keep a reminder of them even after you leave them still 100% platonically. And then that friend still platonically names his knights after he kills you possibly out of guilt. All the while remaining 1000% platonic.
... Yes because friendship is a powerful emotion
Cope
I wonder if you ever had friends
@@pixelxemper4007 I don't think he has
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 it’s called regret
"But if a man looks back and sees not where he has been. Then on which path does he travel?" - This hit home more than I'd like to admit.
Who up in 2023 still vibin to DS2 lore?
Excellent video with implications for all the other memories as well!
Jeigh, Vammar, and Orro....I used to think those were the giants, but after this video I think those are the names of Vendricks warriors and you're reliving THEIR memories (and not the giants turned into trees).
In those memories you're climbing stairs, running through narrow passageways, jumping ledges, talking to Bernhart for some frigging reason, and bringing down the King of Giants... I don't think the giants did any of this!
So it stands to reason that Jeigh, Vammar, and Orro are three heroes whose names are forgotten to all but you.
I still wonder how and why Benhart is even in one of those memories. It's also possible that Orro and Drummond worked together to defeat the Giant Lord, but Drummond was killed in the battle possible and his remains were lost when the fort's footing crumbled as evidenced by its current location and condition. Man, Jeigh and Vammar must have been some true BAMFs to have combated giants (either that or run past them like pussy like me and rush the Giant Souls XD)
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Good point about Drummonds armor in the wreckage.
Note the missing helmet, I guess he already gave it to Vammar(?) in the previous memory.
I might be giving the b-team too much credit here but it looks like Drummond's last stand was before the giant lord where he got his ass kicked by either the giants or the fire raining down on him, making Orro the forgotten warrior who single-handedly took the giant lord down.
As for bernhart, that dude makes no sense in this game whatsoever.....the b-team really half-assed the plot on this one because it's as much a poorly connected patchwork as the level design is.
xristo702 The saddest part is, Benhart is actually a likable bro too. I was always excited to see him because it meant he was willing to help out. Even if most of his locations made zero sense whatsoever.
Couldn't Benhart have gotten the ashen mist heart in his world?
ThatGuyWhoIsThatGuy
It could have been that or many other reasons...none of which were explained.
Bernhart is the "loveable sleeping oaf" of Dark Souls 2.
In Demons Souls it was Biorr Twinfangs and in Dark Souls it was Seigmayer Of Catarina.
But while these two had interesting backstories that run along side the main plot, Bernhart is just a goofy take on Mel Gibsons braveheart with his silly fake blade who summons for bossfights here and there.
No point discussing him further since he is as much a joke character in this game as Paladin LEEEEEROY Jeeeeeenkins was in DS1.
Sad part is that the joke was unintened.
Theory....... The 3 dlc are in a reverse chronological order, with pieces of the previous kingdom leading to the next.
Ivory: The old chaos breaks free after Alsaana passes away. The old kings soul remains into it after the the one who held it, the ivory king is being slain by the player.
OIK: The old chaos has engulfed the area with magma. the old iron king had no lord soul (his pyromancer Eigyl might had the old witch soul though. he/she might be the lost sinner). When he dies the old kings souls finds his body, and the old chaos twists them into the lava creacture of ichorous earth.
Sunken: One of the oik creations, the iron dragon is found by the one who held the old dead one soul and he builds a kingdom around it to worship Sinh the slumbering dragon
Finally Drangleic. The kingdom is built after the destruction of Shulva, establishing itself on the remains and relics of the kingdom. The religion is retained but with the creation, the ancient dragon in the center. The king also builds his castle uppon the land that belonged to both the the ivory king and later to the sunken king, that still has the undead crypt below it. He also utilizes the things he finds from the past eras, like the golems, the oiks creations etc.
Makes sense, and Yorgh's ring has the same insignia as the Dragnleic shield and its banners, so maybe Vendrick sent the Drakeblood knights to sabotage Shulva, which led to its downfall. But I have to disagree with your theory, because I believe we visit those kingdoms in their present state, not traveling back in time, and I doubt anyone in Dark Souls would simply pass away, especially a child of Manus. And the Iron King probably dug too deep into the earth, I wouldn't be surprised if Chaos was waiting for him there, and if Eygil was really a pyromancer he might've used the Iron King's greed for his own purposes.
Smitty Werben Jagger Man Jensen Or do you?!
There is a theory that in the intro you actually jump back in time to the kingdom of Drangleic. That would suggest that you are already playing the entire game in the past. But then you get the heart to travel into memories of the withered, in which you slay the Giant lord. The last giant had no motive to set himself free from his chains, while he clearly could have done that. But only when the player enters the room does the giant move. He knows you from a past time perhaps...
Also, when you go in the memory of Vendrick you are going to the past because he is still sane.
It would only be sensible to be traveling through time when going into the dlc's.
Even the developers clearly stated that time traveling was going to be a major thing in Dark Souls 2.
There is more evidence towards traveling in time than not traveling in time.
But afcourse, you can assume anything you want because none of this is true and all is assumption. So don't just outright state something is true.
This man has his own theory about the lore and it might just be true.
Smitty Werben Jagger Man Jensen hmm, i have my doubts, but still, the theory works even without time traveling. the old kings soul could have been lost in the old chaos without the players aid, after all you pick it from its current owner, not the old one. But still, the kingdoms go in this order ivory>oik>sunken>drangleick with each kingdom carying pieces from the previous, fallen one.
How could drangleic be built after the destruction of shulva when drangleic was the REASON shulva was destroyed?
Smitty Werben Jagger Man Jensen So how come the golems are found in eleum loyce?
By the way, King Minos is said to have been thought of as a "a man of iron." It makes sense the Minotaur is the Iron King's idol.
This was an EXCELLENT interpretation of Alonne's story, thanks to this, I don't think I "hate" the second DLC anymore!
Though it assumes you play out the Memories through the eyes of their owners, which can't be true according to the "Giant Memories". But I'd rather think that's a problem on the game's part (God knows it has a lot already!).
Are you sure about that? The owners of those memories could have been human. Jeigh (or whoever the memory with the Giant Lord belonged to) could have been a human. Along with all the others.
OtomostheCrazy And also at the end of memories you find dead giants who could have been killed by soldiers in witch memories you are. And their memories fused with giants that became trees (and you don't go to king memory by his stuff but via allones armor so then it makes perfect sense)
Well while at this point it is entirely speculation one thing that you have to remember is that to get to this DLC you first have to defeat the old iron king and through this you obtain his soul. Unlike with the other memories in which the giants soul is located within and they serve as the trigger to leave since that would effectively be the end of the "memory", you already possess the OIK's soul whether it still be in soul form, you absorbed it, or fashioned it into a "cough" worthless weapon "cough" you still have his soul with you in some form so playing through the memory as the king would make sense in a way since seeing the original throne chair was such a powerful moment that it effectively "ended" the memory though this is still really stretching it.
OtomostheCrazy Drummond saying "You are not one of our soldiers. And I don't take you for a mercenary." as well as Benhart's presence and the Last Giant recognizing you (this last part might be debatable) lead me to believe that you physically travel back in time as yourself when entering the Memories.
"The flow of time itself is convoluted, with heroes centuries old phasing in and out."
Vaati this was my favorite one yet. All of your videos have been compelling, but this one seems the most CLOSEST to fact that I have seen yet. This just feels heavily infallible. I loved it.
Same here, this one was amazing !
yeah Alonne is also just the coolest character in general.
In the Dark Souls series or just in Dark Souls 2? In the series this goes to Solaire for his sheer awesomeness, with a very close runner up Artorias.
Keegan Gates well I mean I think Alonne is cool in the way Artorias was cool. Solair was just simply AWESOME
Can't argue with truth.
VaatiVidya great work on this video I loved it! I'd have to say that you are my favorite youtuber. Your content is so amazing. You present the lore in a way I can understand it. Unlike other channels. On a side note. Are you going to make more 10 things you didn't know about dark souls or 10 things you missed in dark souls 2?
Thank you for your kind words :D
There will likely be a lot less of the "10 things" type of content in the near future. I've got a lot of other things in the works
I killed all enemies in Iron Keep out of spawn once, except one single knight.
It was Alonne.
Interesting how a few lore bits can completely change the view of a person.
Before, we tended to see the Iron King as a greedy asshole who didn't care at all about his country.
After, we see that his exploitation of the land was really the only choice he had. Wasn't a particularly nice guy, sure, but he did have some redeeming qualities; he did, at the very least, care about the state of his kingdom, if only for his own reasons.
Thenextworldwar In my opinion, that`s actually what about DS2 is all about. We have four great kings and heroes, who did incredible things and created powerful kingdoms... Some were noble, and some were tyrannical, but all were ambitious and iron-willed. In the end, all fell to the darkness, of their own souls or the souls of others, like a flame who burns too brightly.
I can't really be the only one that thinks Eygil is Jester Thomas
Doesn't that mean Magerold is actually Eygil then?
Jester Thomas = Pyromancer
Eygil = Pyromancer
Apart from the names, its pretty likely
But maybe Eygil was a nickname
Or its a councidence
(Sorry for misspelling words)
Man, Alonne is so cool, definitely the best character in DkS2 and the best boss to solo (with the burnt Ivory King the funnest to co op).
I just love the idea that Alonne had no clear goals, no wants or ambitions, and that he came to the west only to find more battles and blood to feed his blade and bring honor to himself.
How badass is that?
How long did it take you to get the armor of aurous? This is a man that works for his channel, ladies and gents. Liked and Subed.
Could have just modded it in, kind of like how he mods to get the camera angles...
Cheat Engine, easy and simple... and yes, DS youtubers usually use it for their videos...
God Vaati, these Lore videos are awesome!
I loved your version of this story. :D
"... The king was Alonne. How had alone dare to leave him?"
Out of all the stories of DS2, this one is easily my favorite.
Great exhibition of the self-destructive nature of power, and the image of one of Manus's Fragments showing up to a kingdom all excited to seize power and then finding out that everyone was already fucking dead.
Didn't the Iron Keep sink into the lava because it was too heavy?
Thanks, I really wanted to know more about Alonne. I dare to say, it's the best boss of Dark Souls 2 by a long way.
Ancient Dragon. Best Boss Ever 10/10 -IGN *Kappa*
Battleguild 11/10 No water - IGN
Alonne killed by the iron king? don't think so, Alonne is 2 skilled 4 da king. Maybe Alonne commited sepukku without fighting da king? or after dealing a blow at the king maybe. Cuz that's what samurais do when they break the bushido to recover his honor. I just don't see Alonne losing vs the iron king.
When you meet Sir Alonne, you are in the "Memory of the Old Iron King". This implies that your character is looking through the eyes of the king as he fights his way to Alonne where he eventually slays his old friend.
darthvatrayen The Ashen Mist Heart does not function in such a way. During the Giant Memories, you're obviously not looking through the eyes of giants as you speak to the Captain or Benhart.
You're looking through the eyes of Vammar, Jeigh, Orro (whoever they are). They are not giants by any means. They could literally be anyone.
darthvatrayen
then what's up with da dragon memory? in that memory da dragon is dead...
spiderboy9199 But that's inconsistent with the original comment. "Dragon Memories" would mean specifically looking through the eyes of a dragon. Likewise, in the Memory of the King, you're clearly not looking through the eyes of Vendrick as you talk to Vendrick.
If only Sir Alonne had found the Ivory King instead of the Iron King
Badass duo
So...no harvest valley ranch joke?
+Enderlord Alatreon I don't get it.
I believe it is a type of dressing.
that's "Hidden Valley"
Yes I know but the Harvest Valley joke was a reference.
I love your Videos man & how you explain the the lore :) keep up not the good work but the AWESOME work you do. have you ever done any lore of monsters we encounter? to see what they really are?
Sometimes the lore on monsters are confusing. Why do the dogs in aldia's keep drop black knight weapons? Pretty intimidating topic.
It's a good idea though! I've thought before about doing a "monster journal" type thing, but I don't think there's enough material there. Maybe someone else can make something out of it?
VaatiVidya Maybe the dogs killed the black knights and stole their weapons?
VaatiVidya I have a theory,that the dogs could be transformed black knights that remained long after first Dark Souls game. They were trying to get to the dragon,as it was one of the very few things that Feared their lord - Gwyn - so they were venturing around the world seeking demons and dragons and slaying them- or attempting to do so .
Jakub Masalski And they were cought on the way to the Dragon Aerie by the Aldia scientists
I just had a cool thought seeing this a couple times I realize in a way history repeats itself as when Lord Gwyn lost his eldest son after banishing and dishonoring him, so does the Old Iron King loses his best friend only somewhat backwards. Since he does possess Gwynn soul it probably remembers and reenacts this occurrence in a twist and distant but similar manner. Also the same happens when Sir Alonne takes and keeps the Old Iron Kings old throne as a keepsake similar to how Gwyns first born left a certain miracle (Sunlight Blade) on his fathers coffin as a farewell.
Dark souls 2 may have been the weakest gameplay wise but the lore was pretty 🔥🔥🔥
All.... alooooooonnneee, alonne, aloonnee, alone..alonealone...alonealonealone..ALLONE ALLLOONE ALONEE ALONNEEEE!!!!
Is there lore explaining the terrible level transition from Earthen Peak to Iron Keep. Not a rhetorical question btw. I'm serious, not sure if there's an actual explanation for this. Such an unbelievably obvious flaw that I'm going to be really surprised if there is no explanation for it.
I know this is 5 years old but I just wanted to say that in a interview a dev said that they wanted to give the feeling that you were going up a enormous volcano to the top but they just communicated it wrong
@@alfalldoot6715 that's interesting to know. Yeah, I mean that could definitely make for an interesting sense of progression but yeah it just makes no fucking sense lol
6:21 Wasn't it the Bearer of the Curse who killed Alonne? I read it's implied the Chosen Undead actually travels back in time, which is why they keep the items they find and how they're able to talk to Vendrick in his memories.
Hm I'm not that good with lore, but time in Drangleic is convoluted.
There were many undead that went to the past, like you the chosen undead, but failed. They killed bosses that we killed. The Faraam Knight in the trailer, I'd say that's one of the undead that tried to do what we did. We find his amour in Drangleic Castle, that's where his story ends I think.
So anyway sure we may of killed Alonne, but in another time the Iron King killed him. Afterall it is the memory of the Old Iron King.
You can't kill someone in someone else's memory that's silly.
It's called the Memory of the Old Iron King, so I'm assuming the Iron King did kill Alonne. You only gain access to the memory after killing the Fume Knight and retrieving the Crown of the Old Iron King. Therefore, you essentially replace the Old Iron King in the memory as the new bearer of his crown.
Only flaw in this theory is that you don't need the crown itself to access the memory, you just have to defeat Raime. However, since you get the crown right after the boss fight, I can see how both events signify defeating the area, usurping the throne, winning the kingdom or whatever.
Maybe you are the king (in a way), Vaati said something like that in the Iron king DLC lore video where he says perhaps the Child of Dark mistook you for the iron king since you have the soul.
Sylvester Holmes It's equally silly to able to go into a memory and bring stuff out.
Wait but what about the blue smelter demon?
Nothing. FROM retexture boss copy paste.
Fan service?
***** Who would want fan service of Smelter Demon?
Not a particularly interesting fight lol. Or fun?
Maybe it was a prototype? It had different horns than the first one
Maybe that is how Egyil created Fire smelter. I says AGED SMELTER SWORD so she might have used smelter with magic core to create smelter with fire core (since she could give fire will of it's own and king could make iron alive). And some speculation but since he fights simmilar to alonne when iron king saw him he was reminded of his betreyal of alonne, so he trew himself in lava and there found Gwins soul. Egyil tough it was hers SIN so she locked herself away (Suptile hint is suptile).
You forgot to talk about him actually finding Gwyn's soul at the bottom of the lava he ended up in or jumped into. A small point but worth a mention.
I can't find it lol
that soul was already with him
Well, literally, his soul is the reincarnation of the soul of light
by the way it is not the soul of gwyn
gwyn found her in the first flame
I was not born with it
i never really looked after the lore of ds2, just played the game and raged :D
but thanks to youre videos i can learn the lore now, and bro, this video did make me tear up.
dark souls 2 lore is one of the best in the gaming history
I love the little suppressed laugh when you said Alonne had left the king alone
I always preferred the WORLD of dark souls 2, moreso than 1 and 3. it just feels more desolate, more lived in and more abandoned. it feels like the ending of an Era and the start of a new one. in DS1 and 3, they both feel very much at the end of the world but still feel very lived in, still very much inhabited. it feels like the end is happening then and there already whereas in 2, it feels like it's already happened, DS2 feels like being the one Soldier who slept in on the day of a big battle, only to find out he not only missed it, but was the only survivor.
I Specifically like how in DS2, things just feel more Somber, less in your face and more Subtle. This helps Emphasize the moments when there really is a big battle, it FEELS more epic! and Sir Alonne is an example of that. Hes not flashy and he scarcely uses magic. hes not some terrible demon or Skulking undead like most bosses were in this game. he was just, some guy with a sword. Simple. that's why I think his fight is one of the best in my most preferred Dark souls game.
@@Tifa-Lockhart Yeah, you just hear about a great King and all.
You find the Cancellor being a Ghost and be like "Oh Shit how much time passed", but then the Dragonriders are normal as well as Nashandra and you think "Ye fine."
But visiting the King is just shattering all hope.
The iron king is probably one of my fav souls character such a complex character and is story with Allone is straight up tragic
I hope alonnes armor ends up coming to dark souls 3
Agree
it doesnt but we have shiva and the alonne greatbow
+carlos conde I meant for dlc and in all honesty I could care less about the great bows :/ no offense if I sound rude
Ambition without wisdom is absolutely nothing like a bird without wings. That line was hilarious.
I thought the analogy was perfect. A bird can want for flight, but without wings it will never achieve that goal. Ambition is to want for something (in this case greatness), but without wisdom, you have no means by which to achieve that goal. Wisdom tempers out actions with forethought and consequence. Without these things, you are doomed to make choices which will unravel your ambition.
***** There are two kinds of people in this world XD
Good retort, sir.
Here is one I thought of. "Ambition without wisdom is like a wolf without eyes."
Forever Alonne.
;__;
with his 2 dozen soldier lol
The shortsightedness of the King is very telling in that it made him what he was, and also was the cause of his actions. Another interesting thing is that we find the Old Lord's soul, reminiscent of another shortsighted king, this one a god. It was Gwyn's shortsightedness that creates the problem facing those in Dark Souls, Hollowing. By tying the flame to Humanity, Gwyn caused the interdependence of the flame and Humanity, and thus the scourge of the Hollows, which eventually lead to he himself hollowing after giving himself to the fire, and thus setting the cycle in motion.