I love the fact that the Steam Deck Oled launched around the same time as the Portal. We get a good contrast of one company going above and beyond to please its customers and another company doing the bare minimum in order to make money.
And yet in many use cases people prefer the Portal. I've read up on gamers who will only use their Deck for indies and anything more demanding they will use their Portal (PS5).
@@cinemapigeon4898 You can stream stuff to a steam deck the same way you can do what the portal does. Streaming content from one device to another has been a thing for like a decade. I'm also certain there are multiple ways you could stream a PS5 to a steam deck if you really wanted to because there is a bunch of software out there that already exists to do this exact thing on PC and the steam deck is just a PC.
@@cinemapigeon4898Right, I have both and prefer the portal for comfortability and battery life (to be fair I have a greater investment in the PS ecosystem with trophies, platinums and friends vs steam)
@cinemapigeon4898 owning both I feel the reason for that is because playing the steam deck with a game that's graphically demanding will only last about 2-3 hours max of battery life that's why most people lean towards playing indie games lol
The points raised in this clip probably unsold me on the PlayStation Portal. I'm okay with the idea of having a screen with a PS5 controller bolted onto it, something that's not as easy to achieve on getting any Android phone with a bracket to hold the screen above any bluetooth pad, but since it can't connect directly to the console, it requires a router or wifi access and doesn't do anything to ensure keeping input delay as low as possible, unlike the Wii U GamePad. It also doesn't seem to have anything in regards to a stand if you want to get 2 players on it like you could on a Switch or even to charge the dock and have it ready to use. I'm sure it also has the same limitations any Remote Play display has, such as no access to watching blu rays, DVDs or streaming. I would expect something from Sony would work as a surrogate for having a TV around to not just be a stripped down handheld device. When Sony put out that 3D television for the PS3 it was a nice to have a more affordable option for a 3D television that was a decent size. I'm sure the portal works out for people that have a use for it, and I don't consider it to be wasteful, but it could do so much more for the price they're asking for.
In no way would you actually want the PS5 to be the sole provider of the wireless signal. Not only would that limit the usefuleness of the Portal to being used only within close proximity of the PS5, which would be similar to the Wii U gamepad you mentioned. But actual 802.11ax WiFi access points are far more powerful, with much longer range than what the PS5 would be capable of. And you probably placed your WiFi access point in a better location for maximum range.
@@mmstick Of course it would suck if it's the only option (like the lack of bluetooth audio right now...), but I do think they really could and probably should have included direct connect as an option. So in the case where you're close enough, you can get the best experience possible
@@mmstick I don't think it was meant as a 'in replace of...'. If the PS5 would have miracast support in it, you could use that as 'a wireless display' which has lower latency then most current game-streaming tech. It's like plugging a 'wireless hdmi' in your PS5. Ofcourse - like you said - you will not want that to be the only possibility (like the Wii U). Using the in-home wifi network means you can go outside in a garden, few levels up in your own personal room, or even try a 4g hotspot connection out in the wild. But while you _ARE_ in close proximity, using a direct-on-device-wireless-display tech would've been a nice extra to have.
@@mmstick Sony actually gave you the option to use Wifi direct on the PS4 to do remote play on the Vita. The range was worse but not terrible and the latency was basically zero. I used it all time, the fact that Sony doesn't have this option on the Portal is stupid.
Network congestion is another issue Sony can't control. They could've chose their own frequencies with a direct connection to the PS5, but they chose to transmit audio+video via Wifi so interference will likely become a big issue for most users.
It geuinely baffles me a bit how limited in scope the Portal is, when there's so much potential for other "stuff" it could do. Emulation of PSP/Vita games, cloud streaming, direct connection to a PS5 rather than remote play for better quality (and which might also allow a Portal to work as an extra controller in a pinch). Instead it's just an okay screen with a DualSense strapped to the side that effectively runs the Remote Play app and nothing else for $200 USD. You could alternatively grab a DualSense phone mount for $10-$20 and the only thing you lose out on is screen size (but you might gain in screen quality/refresh rate), and maybe ergonomics.
I rarely disagree with John, but Portal reviews are much better than expected - despite its flaws, many users are very surprised how well this thing actually turned out.
I really think they needed another angle to this device. Maybe PSP games could be transferred to it from your PS5 and played offline - that sort of thing. Something! (Edit - wrote comment before hearing John say pretty much the same)
If Sony adds that then I would buy that but as it is, the Internet never going to work for me. I think Xbox has option LAN for the phone not sure why Sony does not have that yet.
That would actually make it more like the PS3. One could store PSP games on it for transfer to a PSP. :) It would be necessary for such use on Portal as well, since it apparently has almost no storage. But a PSP game could be "stored" in RAM at least. Because it does have plenty of that.
@@AltCutTV Exactly ;-) - Of course what I would really hope for would be Vita support as it was a system that kind of flew under the radar. Having access to its library would be awesome. But that would have probably required a beefier processor in the Portal.
@therealfodder it would also work in tandem with the digital psp re-eleases they're already providing on the ps5 along with other classic systems like ps1 and ps2
Y'all should compare the lag with Chiaki running on a Steam Deck OLED; would be sad if Sony's own solution is slower And also Moonlight/Sunshine PC Streaming on a Steam Deck.
Norman Chan over at the "Adam Savage's Tested" channel ran tests (7:43 on that review) and amazingly not only was it slower than Chiaki, it was slower than the remoteplay apps for mobile. I feel like that and the lack of bluetooth support despite the SOC most likely supporting it are the two biggest knocks against the device.
Having it stream directly from the ps5, rather than the home wifi where you complete with other devices in the same channel, could have made this worth it
Yea, let's act like there aren't a bunch of games on ps5 that aren't on the switch bc it's a potato. And the ones that are look and run significantly worse.
This is not for everyone, I'm not looking to take my games on the road, I actually live a life outside of my home dwellings. I want to be able to take a dump and have some entertainment along side that daily ritual and the Sony Portal provides that A+++ 1. Does it look bad? No resolution looks great. 2. Is it a fun alternative for at home gaming (100%) 3. Expensive (Everything Electronic is expensive) 4. Enter at your own risk!!!
Well the PSP days are not gone ... One could even say this is the peek handheld era we are in right now ... We have things like the switch and switch lite , the steamdeck the ROG ally ... I think we are just entering the beginning of the handheld era , cause with things like the iPhone 15 coming out .. I only see mobile hardware getting more powerful and better .. the PSP legacy lives on even if it's not in Sonys hands 😊 I finished God of war on my steamdeck, I don't own a PlayStation
@@jasonc5138 well your access to those games is very much "mitigated" by the availability of a network and the presence of your PlayStation nearby , ps the vita had a lot of great indie games .. and I don't know what kind of world you live , but id take an indie game running native on a device than having to remote play .. double ps. . anyone with a phone or steamdeck like device can already do all of what this is offering
@@jasonc5138 unless you're one of the few people who wants to use the console while their wife is supposedly watching TV by herself, why would you need to use it in your house?
@@jasonc5138 fair enough, but you do know you can't use the portal while the console is already in use right? If your kids are using the PS5 then you have to wait until they get off, or tell them to get off but that kind of defeats the purpose lol
I hate when reviewers give bad reviews based on what a device “should have been” instead of what it is. The portal does exactly what it’s advertised to do. Having a 3 person review when only one person has used the device is also silly. Their negative dog pile is solely based on hearsay 🤷🏽♂️
All the reviews I’ve seen on this have been mostly positive, surprisingly. I don’t know why he said that the reviews coming out were more negative because that’s not true at all.
Most of the reviews I've seen at least on RUclips said it was "ok", does what it says on the tin but really nothing special. The fact that it needs to connect via WiFi, has input lag and doesn't have an OLED screen is a big turn off for me.
@@cun7usIt doesn't have input lag if you separate the 2.4 and 5 GHz access points with two separate SSIDs. The Portal supports the 5 GHz 802.11ac protocol, which has an input latency of 1-3 ms. Although some people have reported that disconnecting the HDMI cable on the PS5 instantly resolves all input delay issues, as well as changing PS5 settings to prefer performance settings since it may be trying to render at 4K on your TV while simultaneously streaming to your Portal. I have an OLED TV and an OLED Nintendo Switch. The IPS display in the PlayStation Portal is very high quality. The colors are similar to that of my OLED systems, and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a blind test had I not previously known that it was an IPS panel.
@@cun7usI see a lot of reviewers complain about it not having an OLED screen and complain about the price 🤦🏽♂️ A better screen would definitely have made it more expensive.
@@philthompson5093 true, an OLED screen would make it more expensive but it would probably be worth it depending on the price. At the moment it's just a basic LED screen using an outdated Snapdragon SOC from 2019 like mobile phones had. It's as basic as you can get.
I just unplugged my HDMI from the back of my PS5 and the Portal hasn't lagged once! This can definitely be patched on the console. I have over 900mbps in my house so was annoyed about the frequent lag, so now will be annoyed at unplugging and replugging my HDMI to the console when I want to use it 😅
That question at 19:30 raises a concern I had as well. Everyone keeps mentioning the network speed even though you’re just using it locally, instead of using actual data. (At least when using it at home)
@@euj0 "Everyone keeps mentioning the network speed (ISP upload/download speed) even though you're just using it locally (LAN), instead of using actual data (WAN/internet)."
@@jsVfPe3 that doesn't even make sense. It's not locally, it still wireless, and you still need fast network speeds to transmit the data from the PS5 to the Portal. This is basic networking.
Well, that is an interesting observation. I have seen several tests of this thing, but none thus far have taken the simple step to check the router for an approximate of how much bandwidth this thing can use. If optimal conditions are met at least. Or at which point it really does become useless.
@@euj0 you’re not using internet data if it’s on the same network, you’re only transmitting locally; it’s like when you stream media from a local server over lan using plex
It's kind of funny hearing the coverage of the Portal from games media because they are so clearly not the target audience. As someone who really only plays on PS5 and has limited time to play, the Portal is perfect. I don't want a bespoke handheld system with a new library of games. I want to be able to finish Baulder's Gate 3. And all the other cumbersome solutions defeat the purpose of needing something like this. I think it's a pretty shrewd business move making something that offers more game time to the older demographic invested in the platform, who have the disposable income to buy games provided they can finish the ones they already have.
I don't understand why ppl are hating on this device so much. This is not for everyone. Idk how these cry babies endured PS VR & DS edge when those came out lol.
I feel like I've watched hundreds of reviews on this device at this point and it seems to be that you are either onboard with it because you fit the target profile for this ACCESSORY(!!) or you are not onboard because you are projecting your own misunderstanding or unacceptance of the actual intention of this device onto the device itself. Also, do we all just have ZERO faith that Sony will support this device long-term adding highly-requested features along the way, you know, just like the PS5 itself?
@@keivngibbs2897the Vita had it's own obstacles , mainly the price of the memory cards . I owned a PSP at the time and didn't see the Vita as something I wanted to upgrade to .
Wiiu gamepad was amazing,no lag at all.I used to play BO2multi-player all the time and actually preferred to use the gamepad screen instead of the tv😅.Some days ago i tried playing COD mp for my ps5 using remote play.. and the lag is really bad(I have a very fast netspeed connection)but still not very playable.
> If anyone says there isn't latency just turn your speakers up. Well there's your problem. The Playstation Portal has an input delay when the PS5 is actively outputting to a display via HDMI. You need to unplug the PS5 from the TV to get the best latency. Many people are reporting that this resolves all of their input delay issues.
At the very least Sony should add a 2nd screen functionality kinda like the Wii U controller, first party exclusives can use it for map or item screen.
@@cun7usFeel free to visit the PlaystationPortal subreddit. There's a lot of us who are having no issues with the Portal thanks to having a decent WiFi router with a simple router setting tweak to split the 2.4 and 5 GHz signals into two SSIDs. I've seen a number of good reviews on RUclips from people like CKid or even LinusTechTips. But there are some software issues Sony needs to resolve for a better out of the box experience, as a lot of people are reporting that disconnecting the HDMI cable instantly resolves all input delay, as well as making sure games are set to prefer Performance, since a game might be trying to render at 4K resolution on your TV whilst simultaneously streaming a 1080p downscale to your Portal.
People praising wiiu now? With its terrible 480p screen? That would have looked bad even in 2007? Of course a 480p signal takes a fraction of MBits to transfer than even 720p, so a bit of lag is understandable
I think what they are referring to with the Wii U is that the screen was able work seamlessly and didn't require an internet connect. Whereas the PlayStation does require an internet connection and depending on said internet connection, it can greatly impact the users experience.
I thought the WiiU screen looked nice for its time. Then again, I only really played SMB and WW on it, so colour correctness or black levels hardly came into question as limitations. 😊 On the other hand, in fairness that controller should also be backwardly compared to Portal by moving away from the transmission source. Could almost leave the room containing the WiiU before the image broke worse than any other streaming device I ever tested. 😢
It is absolutely mind-boggling that it does not allow for direct connection to the PlayStation while you are in your home. There are apps on mobile devices and windows, which allow you to use your local Wi-Fi connection to connect to the device and adjust a number of parameters, and those same apps allow you to connect to the PlayStation remotely over the public Internet from any location. The apps that I have used Work seamlessly. I beat Final Fantasy 16 while in another country.
I don't understand the purchasing decision of buying a $500 4K ultra HD 60 fps with HDR color depth game console meant to run on a 55" or larger TV, just to play it on a mediocre LCD phone sized screen, and be charged an $200 extra for the opportunity.
Sony's betting in 1-2 years time the reach and bandwidth of broadband and mobile networks can maintain a consistent .1sec lag threshold for on-the-go use. And you don't need to buy dedicated games for it. They're trying to ride the wave before it comes, i guess.
The funny thing about anyone dogging on the portal is that this is the same tech Microsoft is betting big will bring them tons of customers to game pass. lol
I feel that expectations need to be tampered down for Playstation Portal. Sony stated during their announcement of the device exactly what is was and the expectation was that it would not be for everyone, yet the device is selling out. Could be because of the holiday season, nevertheless its selling. When the PS5 launched one of the major compliants was not having a dedicated device like the PS Vita or adding support for remote play for the Vita to PS5. Well, technology has advanced and the Vita's radio only supported 2.4ghz band with support for 802.11n and below. The PS5 supports 802.11ax which means you will have lower latency and since the Vita's radio can't support 802.11ax, it probably wouldn't have been ideal to use remote play on such an old wifi standard even if the PS5 supported direct connect/link or not. There would be a huge amount of latency noticed using the Vita. I loved the device btw and still play mine from time to time today. Now, with that said, everything depends on your environment and/or hardware. You need to know what wireless standard your router supports. Even if you are hardwired into your router directly with your PS5, your internet speed is part of the equation. Wifi speeds aren't going to be as fast as being hardwired. Also, you need to check your download/upload speeds over wifi. If you aren't getting the speeds that you are expecting, then you need to find out why. This could be due to the device using the 2.4ghz band instead of 5ghz or there could be too much noise, traffic, or interference on a certain channel on the 2.4ghz or 5ghz bands, which means you'll have to find a channel that has less traffic which will reduce the latency. Its unfortunate that a lot of this sometimes requires having a basic understanding of networking, because the average consumer or parent that purchases this device probably will not. All of this factors into your experience on the device. I have the Playstation Portal and have AP's throughout my home and have configured them to get the maximum amount of bandwidth as possible. I have played in different areas of my home and have had a good experience. There is still going to be latency and drops here and there but for me they aren't bad. I maintain a stable connection and haven't had the Portal drop or disconnect at all and I've played around 20 hours on it so far. I have use cases for it which is why I bought it. Is this device worth $200? Probably not, but for me it was worth the price of admission. I'm impressed and my expectation was to only use it for remote play, thats it. Yes the omission if bluetooth was a bummer but if you are in the same room as your PS5, you could just use your headset that is connected to your PS5 for sound. I haven't noticed the sound not being in sync with the stream on the Portal yet. When I'm not in the same room, I just use ear buds. The LCD screen is much better than I expected as well. Definitely not OLED but the its bright and the colors are pretty good and not too satuarated. I knew there would be latency and drops here and there, heck I experienced those on my Vita and Playstation TV device using remote play. I can say the device is way more comfortable to hold compared to the Switch. From a form factor perspective, its solid. I don't own a Steam Deck so I can't compare it to that from a form factor perspective but it does feel like you are holding a wide dualsense controller. My point is, your environment is going to be a huge factor in your experience with the device. If you are looking for a dedicated device to use for remote play only a few times during the week, then this device may be for you. I was one of probably the few that didn't want to use my phone and pair a controller to it or buy a backbone device to use for it. I wanted a dedicated streaming device. Could I have gone with a Steam Deck, sure, but I game on my desktop and not that often since I'm more of a console consumer compared to PC. I don't play on the go ever so shelling out $600 wasn't going to benefit me in the longe run. But again, the device does exactly what its suppose to do, stream your PS5 games to the device and thats it. Is there going to be latency, yes. Is there going to be drops, yes. Your network hardware will be key to your experience with it. Its not a perfect experience, but I'm OK with that. Its a good device, not great, that does what its suppose to do.
It sure seems an oversight to not have direct connection to the PS5, considering this was possible between PS3 and PSP/Vita. The only reason not to do this I can see is the assumption most would only have the base console itself on wifi. Then again, I suppose even in this case the PS5 could switch its internet connection to 2.4Ghz and have 5 for the Portal link. PS3 didn't have dual band, hence relying on wired for this mode.
Exactly. If it could do a direct connection to the console with no wifi, that alone would convince me to buy it. Remote play as an option is cool but shouldn't be the only way to use it.
I love how the guy to the bottom left is withholding so much anger like a pissy little b**** but the other two don't have nearly as many bad things to say. I think he was super frustrated they didn't hate it as much as he did
The PlayStation portal would be a lot more compelling if it had apps or add-ons to allow remote play with other devices, like steam on PCs or something.
Hopefully its a high margin product for Sony...that's the only upside I see to this whole product launch. Perplexing who the target audience is from a consumer standpoint.
I've seen someone say that the target audience was "dads with kids who use the tv all day" like, these people can't afford a second TV for the kid? I'm pretty sure you can buy a tv for 200 bucks.
I own a PS5 and about 3 months ago purchased a Nintendo Switch. The PS5 is great and I am kicking myself for not buying the Switch years ago. I have absolutely no motivation for puchasing the PS-Portal.
About video quality: It's just the video encoding fixed-function in the RDNA2 part of the SoC, right? 'AMD AMF' if I'm correct? Isn't the quality of that always a bit smeary in things like particles and banding-sensitive stuff, now matter how high you set the bitrate? It's a very simple encoder without big blocks, b-frames and such from what I remember.
In my opinion they got it right. If Sony made a stand-alone handheld that could play PS5 games natively it would cost as much as a steam deck which is MORE than a base PS5 console....that wouldnt make any sense at all. For what the PS portal does at a $200 price point (which isn't a lot of money at all) its actually a pretty good deal. Secondly i dont think the Portal is meant to be traveld around with nor was it advertised that way, its called the "portal" not the "portable" for a reason. The portal is for gamers who have familiies or roommates who they have to share a TV with and cant always play on it with their PS5. Thats why its mostly known as a "dad station" among those who own it.
It should be quite telling what the PSP is and how it does it, when a great deal of the conversation was hinged around how great the WiiU gamepad was 😂
A psp that plays games natively would have been great, one main issue is you really need a digital ps5 or download your games on to the console to play your library over wise your stuck with the one game you have in the disc drive
This shows Sony should have thought about creating a console instead. A lot of the technology used by Steam Deck is in the same "family"/architecture as PS5 or Xbox and they should have tried having a portable console with reduce specs like the Xbox S but as an handheld without the flaws of dedicated peripherals like the Vita. If they think of doing such a device I would say it will be a huge success. The portal looks great and now imagine it been designed as a console instead.
Similar to coop in videogames - Atlas Fallen, Gotham Knights, etc, the fact you can comfortably play a ps5 with a FULL dualsense controller seems to fall on deaf ears. I have a very full household. I have absolutely no problem with sitting somewhere in my house while others play other systems and i STILL get that sweet dual sense controller. I have used Mogas and the backbone is cool but i cant go back. The dualsense changed everything. I dont think this gadget is super n3cessary but super effective at doing ONE thing well. Thats it. Who the fuck thought it was something else? It isnt.
I was hoping for something more here. I'll just stick to using remote play with my Surface tablet. The Wii U game pad seemed to share a wifi frequency or channel with early Chromecast models. My Wii U gamepad would cut out if I had my Chromecast plugged in anywhere in the house.
A reason Sony prolly isn't doing a full blown handheld is bc it'd be like $400 and would go head2head against the Switch2, it's an uphill battle against the Switch2
I honestly don't understand corporate shills like you. That company doesn't give any fs about you. Only your money. They always deliver the absolute bare minimum and that in this case is the Portal. Just awful really
I am currently at my GF's house playing PS5 games on my Portal with my PS5 back home. I disagree on how the DF views the Portal. And hey, flash forward this device sells like hot cakes, going beyond even Sony's most optimistic projections. I get that asking the DF team to analyze this device is like asking premier Scottish whisky masters to review a blended whisky; but I hoped they could look past it a little and look at the value a bit more.
In terms of screens: is this better than the steam deck oled? Considering the sehen deck only supports 720p and I could see the portals 1080p screen having the upper hand here due to possibly sharper image?
The Portal has a very high quality IPS display, so the colors are very close to that of an OLED. It's worth it to have 1080p on the Portal for the extra details.
@@No4Sniper260 oh yeah, I was looking at the app and didn’t realize it said “resolution excluding PS4 Pro” right above it lol. Well, I guess you really are just paying for comfort and convenience of a dedicated remote player rather than tying up your phone / tablet.
Don't have a portal but tried out of curiosity remote play on my laptop and while it was stable most of the time it had terrible input lag at moments something that was a nightmare while playing elden ring unfortunately
I honestly don't understand the purpose of this device. I would never switch on and use my PS5 remotely because there might be a fire or some kind of problem and I couldn't do anything about it. I switch everything off if I'm not at home for more than 2 days. Apart from that, you can't play well with the thing as far as I can tell.
Sony told people what the device was gonna be. People made up in their OWN heads what THEY wanted the PlayStation Portal to be. Then when it wasnt what people created it to be their minds they were disappointed. The other half are Xbox only gamers that hate Sony for whatever reason and want it to fail although its sold out everywhere. It's a want item not a need item. You want it but don't need it so idk why everyone is so harsh about the remote play device that Sony told us was just going to be a remote play device
I never get access to my TV. So Ive been playing on my iPad air for a couple years. So far theres less artifacting and lag on the iPad but I'm going to keep trying for a few more updates before I give up on it My Playstation has its own vlan/wifi network to try to minimize the latency
Do you think 30fps works better on the portal vs 60 fps? I was wondering if because the frames are at 33ms it might be easier to send to the portal? Does it matter in your opinion?
@@MegaKiri11 are you sure because my assumption less data would be transfered with the video stream being half the frames. I'm already seeing a decent amount of artifacting on Spiderman 2 and final fantasy 7 remake I'll switch to 60 I was assuming before I'd have a better experience with 30 but worth a shot
@@MegaKiri11 I have my ps5 on its own vlan ethernet and ssid just for remote play. I was a little surprised sony used 802.11ac vs ax. You would think traffic prioritization would be designed for this system
Side by side comparison between your the portal and the screen your game is on is pointless it will always be some type of delay. The portal runs remote play better then a phone and thats the point. Also you can use it as a 2nd controller if you want to. Remember sony like most companies dont want their tech hached and thats what happened with the Vita so they probably wont take that route again. As for my experience with the portal its been great, I mostly play single player games because multi player games will always be a problem with remote play.
So far the reviews I have seen have been mixed. Some have a perfect game session with one game, then they switch to a different one and it's suddenly unplayable with connection issues. Switch back to the other game and it's fine again.
That's symptomatic of a poor WiFi connection, or the game is set to "Quality" or "Resolution" mode instead of Performance. They should make sure their Portal is connecting to a 5 GHz access point. Their router should be configured to split the 2.4 and 5 GHz access points into two separate SSIDs. The PS5 should be plugged into Ethernet, and system settings in the PS5 should be set to prefer performance. The HDMI cable should also be unplugged as it's a commonly reported source for input delay. The PS5 might be trying to render to your 4K HDR TV while also simultaneously streaming to the Portal.
Funny how there's this silly notion out there(which even DF helped pushed, from time to time) that Nintendo uses a penny-pinching approach to hardware development. Yet, more than 12 years later, there's no other form of remote play that can touch the Wii U, as far as a "lag-free" experience goes(heck, it was effective anti-lag since the pad displayed before the TV!). That doesn't happen by accident... nor by cheaply allocated research/hardware development budget. If people WERE honest, they'd have to admit that Nintendo brought state-of-the-art tech to the table with the Wii U's concept, but because their perception of "state-of-the-art" is almost exclusively focused on the CPU/GPU front, they're FORCED to dismiss every other area where Nintendo invests the bulk of their R&D/Hardware budget. Truth is, Nintendo has ALWAYS been on the cutting edge, in one way or another. Sometimes their budget is spent in ways OTHER THAN what WE would prefer, but the high quality is usually represented in the area(s) that help them best execute their current hardware vision.
I like the portal but i think im out. Watched about 30 reviews some ps fanboys and some not. Seems to me the device is alright and alright for $200. Doesnt do much and has its issues. Ghis doesnt look like a stella hit by sony but more of an ok niche selling product. They really needed to rebuild remote play to make portal perfect which will hurt sales long term. Sold out now but come feb/match time, sales will dropp off like a cliff.
My biggest gripe with the portal and why I sent it back was the lack of user switching within the ps5. You have to manually sign out of the portal device to change the user
How's 16ms equal to 2-3 frames? If he is playing on 60hz its 16.6ms per frame,so 3 frames is around 50ms.If its 120hz(unlikely) even then its 8.3ms per frame so 3 frames is around 30ms.
Thank You for tips on how to mesure delay so my addition to DB matebook e 2020 oled windows tablet , Cudy WR3000 OpenWrt router 5ghz AX delay to 65C1 Oled 5ms lowest from 10 pictures delay to Sharp LCD tv 7ms lowest from 10 pictures But this test also shows frame pacing issues with delays tops 200ms .So not every frame arrive on time.
It's just a good controller with a 8" screen, you can just use a clip for your phone and the dualsense pretty much same experience 😅, it's kinda like a fancy gadget to cut onions and vegetables, a knife works probably better! This should be the cloud gaming device for Sony but Hey maybe when MS runs away with cloud next Gen they maybe wake up😅
And the media typically fall over themselves to praise overpriced, gimmick Sony products. This generation is riding on the popularity inertia of the previous generation. They've made poor and greedy decisions consistently for the past few years.
John is right. Why should we temper our expectations? It's a $200 accessory that can't do anything on it's own. Don't buy it on the promise of it being cracked in the future. Judge the device on its merits and it barely has any.
Tempering expectations is the wrong term. The only people that need to do that are the people who buy a dedicated remote play device and expect to to be a handheld game system. An elite game controller is also $200 and only does one thing. That argument is silly.
No Bluetooth = 0/10. I'm sorry, but we are just about to hit 2024, and for a device to release without bluetooth is beyond baffling. It is unacceptable! I'm also not falling for Sony's strategy, who are without question betting on consumers to purchase their new Sony's Pulse Earbuds with the purchase of the PlayStation Portal, because the Sony Pulse Earbuds are the only wireless sound option you've got right now. I'm not sure how good the new Sony Pulse Earbuds sound, but of all the gaming sound options I've bought in the past, they all sound terrible. Buy a pair of Bose QC45 Headphones that are on sale right now, if you want great quality sound. Do not buy gaming headsets. Anyways, back to the Portal... Why on earth would anyone want to play a game on a portable device, when you've most likely have a gorgeous 4K TV? The whole point about buying a PlayStation 5, is to enjoy your games on the big screen with Next-Gen 4K graphics. You bought a console that is intended to be played on a 4K TV. Now, you want to buy this with your TV sitting right next to you? Are you out of your mind? Well, you may say as long as the PS5 is on, I can play games anywhere right? Yes, but at 480p with terrible bitrate that in my opinion is not enjoyable. Also, what happens of you're on vacation, and the power goes out in your house? You are screwed. The PS5 must be in at least sleep mode to activate it, and play games on the Portal. There is no option to turn on your PS5 remotely. Save your money and buy a Steam Deck. It's so ridiculous, that you couldn't pay me enough money to play games on the Portal. If you gave me a free portal, it would sit on my shelf collecting dust, which is exactly what going to happen to everyone who buys this thing. If you are a RUclipsr who does reviews, then fine buy it to inform people how bad it is. If you are not a RUclipsr, absolutely do not waste your money on this device.
Sony's betting in 1-2 years time the reach and bandwidth of broadband and mobile networks can maintain a consistent .1sec lag threshold for on-the-go use. And you don't need to buy dedicated games for it. They're trying to ride the wave before the Switch2 comes, i guess.
Sony absolutely said before the portal came out that they had some secret sauce in there to make it better than normal remote play and it was a complete lie and it's not like they couldn't have made it work better than regular remote play see wii u gamepad.
I love the fact that the Steam Deck Oled launched around the same time as the Portal. We get a good contrast of one company going above and beyond to please its customers and another company doing the bare minimum in order to make money.
And yet in many use cases people prefer the Portal. I've read up on gamers who will only use their Deck for indies and anything more demanding they will use their Portal (PS5).
@@cinemapigeon4898 You can stream stuff to a steam deck the same way you can do what the portal does. Streaming content from one device to another has been a thing for like a decade. I'm also certain there are multiple ways you could stream a PS5 to a steam deck if you really wanted to because there is a bunch of software out there that already exists to do this exact thing on PC and the steam deck is just a PC.
@@cinemapigeon4898Right, I have both and prefer the portal for comfortability and battery life (to be fair I have a greater investment in the PS ecosystem with trophies, platinums and friends vs steam)
@@cinemapigeon4898literally nobody asked or wants the portal. Stop buying absolute shit just because it says Sony.
@cinemapigeon4898 owning both I feel the reason for that is because playing the steam deck with a game that's graphically demanding will only last about 2-3 hours max of battery life that's why most people lean towards playing indie games lol
The points raised in this clip probably unsold me on the PlayStation Portal. I'm okay with the idea of having a screen with a PS5 controller bolted onto it, something that's not as easy to achieve on getting any Android phone with a bracket to hold the screen above any bluetooth pad, but since it can't connect directly to the console, it requires a router or wifi access and doesn't do anything to ensure keeping input delay as low as possible, unlike the Wii U GamePad. It also doesn't seem to have anything in regards to a stand if you want to get 2 players on it like you could on a Switch or even to charge the dock and have it ready to use.
I'm sure it also has the same limitations any Remote Play display has, such as no access to watching blu rays, DVDs or streaming. I would expect something from Sony would work as a surrogate for having a TV around to not just be a stripped down handheld device. When Sony put out that 3D television for the PS3 it was a nice to have a more affordable option for a 3D television that was a decent size. I'm sure the portal works out for people that have a use for it, and I don't consider it to be wasteful, but it could do so much more for the price they're asking for.
In no way would you actually want the PS5 to be the sole provider of the wireless signal. Not only would that limit the usefuleness of the Portal to being used only within close proximity of the PS5, which would be similar to the Wii U gamepad you mentioned. But actual 802.11ax WiFi access points are far more powerful, with much longer range than what the PS5 would be capable of. And you probably placed your WiFi access point in a better location for maximum range.
@@mmstick Of course it would suck if it's the only option (like the lack of bluetooth audio right now...), but I do think they really could and probably should have included direct connect as an option. So in the case where you're close enough, you can get the best experience possible
Sounds like you're comparing it to Nintendo Switch too much. 🤦🏼♂️
@@mmstick I don't think it was meant as a 'in replace of...'. If the PS5 would have miracast support in it, you could use that as 'a wireless display' which has lower latency then most current game-streaming tech. It's like plugging a 'wireless hdmi' in your PS5. Ofcourse - like you said - you will not want that to be the only possibility (like the Wii U). Using the in-home wifi network means you can go outside in a garden, few levels up in your own personal room, or even try a 4g hotspot connection out in the wild.
But while you _ARE_ in close proximity, using a direct-on-device-wireless-display tech would've been a nice extra to have.
@@mmstick Sony actually gave you the option to use Wifi direct on the PS4 to do remote play on the Vita. The range was worse but not terrible and the latency was basically zero. I used it all time, the fact that Sony doesn't have this option on the Portal is stupid.
Baffling that it doesn't connect to the PS5 directly the way the Wii U did to the gamepad
Network congestion is another issue Sony can't control. They could've chose their own frequencies with a direct connection to the PS5, but they chose to transmit audio+video via Wifi so interference will likely become a big issue for most users.
As long as you're using a 5 GHz access point, this will not be a concern at all. The average latency for an 802.11ac connection is 1-3 milliseconds.
It geuinely baffles me a bit how limited in scope the Portal is, when there's so much potential for other "stuff" it could do. Emulation of PSP/Vita games, cloud streaming, direct connection to a PS5 rather than remote play for better quality (and which might also allow a Portal to work as an extra controller in a pinch).
Instead it's just an okay screen with a DualSense strapped to the side that effectively runs the Remote Play app and nothing else for $200 USD. You could alternatively grab a DualSense phone mount for $10-$20 and the only thing you lose out on is screen size (but you might gain in screen quality/refresh rate), and maybe ergonomics.
You can use it as a 2nd controller and it connects better then phones and tablets😊
I rarely disagree with John, but Portal reviews are much better than expected - despite its flaws, many users are very surprised how well this thing actually turned out.
01:27 Oh look, the usual "downer" of the group saying the PSPortal sucks without even trying it for himself. Bravo... *slow clap*
I really think they needed another angle to this device. Maybe PSP games could be transferred to it from your PS5 and played offline - that sort of thing. Something!
(Edit - wrote comment before hearing John say pretty much the same)
If Sony adds that then I would buy that but as it is, the Internet never going to work for me. I think Xbox has option LAN for the phone not sure why Sony does not have that yet.
That would actually make it more like the PS3. One could store PSP games on it for transfer to a PSP. :)
It would be necessary for such use on Portal as well, since it apparently has almost no storage. But a PSP game could be "stored" in RAM at least. Because it does have plenty of that.
@@AltCutTV Exactly ;-) - Of course what I would really hope for would be Vita support as it was a system that kind of flew under the radar. Having access to its library would be awesome. But that would have probably required a beefier processor in the Portal.
@therealfodder it would also work in tandem with the digital psp re-eleases they're already providing on the ps5 along with other classic systems like ps1 and ps2
Returned mine. Loved the ergonomics of the device, but the visual quality (probably on my end) was very disappointing.
I doubt you even bought it.
Y'all should compare the lag with Chiaki running on a Steam Deck OLED; would be sad if Sony's own solution is slower
And also Moonlight/Sunshine PC Streaming on a Steam Deck.
Norman Chan over at the "Adam Savage's Tested" channel ran tests (7:43 on that review) and amazingly not only was it slower than Chiaki, it was slower than the remoteplay apps for mobile. I feel like that and the lack of bluetooth support despite the SOC most likely supporting it are the two biggest knocks against the device.
I don't think is fair to compare the device with the Wii U since it connected directly to the console, the PS Portal connects only through WiFi
Having it stream directly from the ps5, rather than the home wifi where you complete with other devices in the same channel, could have made this worth it
I got one and it works flawless all round the house, I share a TV, so when I can't TV game it's perfect, no lag.
My problem is that it just doesn’t make sense economically when you can buy a Switch Lite that can play games natively for the same price.
And the Switch Lite plays PlayStation games?
@@IvanSantanaEuneither does the Portal, honestly
@@IvanSantanaEuyour phone does.... next
No. Neither does the Portal.@@IvanSantanaEu
Yea, let's act like there aren't a bunch of games on ps5 that aren't on the switch bc it's a potato. And the ones that are look and run significantly worse.
This is not for everyone, I'm not looking to take my games on the road, I actually live a life outside of my home dwellings. I want to be able to take a dump and have some entertainment along side that daily ritual and the Sony Portal provides that A+++
1. Does it look bad? No resolution looks great.
2. Is it a fun alternative for at home gaming (100%)
3. Expensive (Everything Electronic is expensive)
4. Enter at your own risk!!!
Wild to peg a product for doing exactly what it’s advertised to do. Imagine buying a Toyota but then dinging it because it’s not a corvette. 🤦♂️
The Playstation "Portal"... A portal between your wallet and Sony's bank account... the PSP days are long gone...
hoping it's not too late to turn that around. it's the best time to get into handheld gaming. Sony really could've done something here.
Well the PSP days are not gone ... One could even say this is the peek handheld era we are in right now ... We have things like the switch and switch lite , the steamdeck the ROG ally ... I think we are just entering the beginning of the handheld era , cause with things like the iPhone 15 coming out .. I only see mobile hardware getting more powerful and better .. the PSP legacy lives on even if it's not in Sonys hands 😊 I finished God of war on my steamdeck, I don't own a PlayStation
@@jasonc5138 well your access to those games is very much "mitigated" by the availability of a network and the presence of your PlayStation nearby , ps the vita had a lot of great indie games .. and I don't know what kind of world you live , but id take an indie game running native on a device than having to remote play .. double ps. . anyone with a phone or steamdeck like device can already do all of what this is offering
@@jasonc5138 unless you're one of the few people who wants to use the console while their wife is supposedly watching TV by herself, why would you need to use it in your house?
@@jasonc5138 fair enough, but you do know you can't use the portal while the console is already in use right? If your kids are using the PS5 then you have to wait until they get off, or tell them to get off but that kind of defeats the purpose lol
I hate when reviewers give bad reviews based on what a device “should have been” instead of what it is. The portal does exactly what it’s advertised to do. Having a 3 person review when only one person has used the device is also silly. Their negative dog pile is solely based on hearsay 🤷🏽♂️
All the reviews I’ve seen on this have been mostly positive, surprisingly.
I don’t know why he said that the reviews coming out were more negative because that’s not true at all.
Yeah that really sticks out. I get that he isn't personally fond of it but his statements are a bit off
Most of the reviews I've seen at least on RUclips said it was "ok", does what it says on the tin but really nothing special. The fact that it needs to connect via WiFi, has input lag and doesn't have an OLED screen is a big turn off for me.
@@cun7usIt doesn't have input lag if you separate the 2.4 and 5 GHz access points with two separate SSIDs. The Portal supports the 5 GHz 802.11ac protocol, which has an input latency of 1-3 ms. Although some people have reported that disconnecting the HDMI cable on the PS5 instantly resolves all input delay issues, as well as changing PS5 settings to prefer performance settings since it may be trying to render at 4K on your TV while simultaneously streaming to your Portal.
I have an OLED TV and an OLED Nintendo Switch. The IPS display in the PlayStation Portal is very high quality. The colors are similar to that of my OLED systems, and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a blind test had I not previously known that it was an IPS panel.
@@cun7usI see a lot of reviewers complain about it not having an OLED screen and complain about the price 🤦🏽♂️ A better screen would definitely have made it more expensive.
@@philthompson5093 true, an OLED screen would make it more expensive but it would probably be worth it depending on the price. At the moment it's just a basic LED screen using an outdated Snapdragon SOC from 2019 like mobile phones had. It's as basic as you can get.
I just unplugged my HDMI from the back of my PS5 and the Portal hasn't lagged once! This can definitely be patched on the console. I have over 900mbps in my house so was annoyed about the frequent lag, so now will be annoyed at unplugging and replugging my HDMI to the console when I want to use it 😅
That question at 19:30 raises a concern I had as well. Everyone keeps mentioning the network speed even though you’re just using it locally, instead of using actual data. (At least when using it at home)
Bro what are you even talking about.
@@euj0 "Everyone keeps mentioning the network speed (ISP upload/download speed) even though you're just using it locally (LAN), instead of using actual data (WAN/internet)."
@@jsVfPe3 that doesn't even make sense. It's not locally, it still wireless, and you still need fast network speeds to transmit the data from the PS5 to the Portal. This is basic networking.
Well, that is an interesting observation. I have seen several tests of this thing, but none thus far have taken the simple step to check the router for an approximate of how much bandwidth this thing can use. If optimal conditions are met at least. Or at which point it really does become useless.
@@euj0 you’re not using internet data if it’s on the same network, you’re only transmitting locally; it’s like when you stream media from a local server over lan using plex
It's kind of funny hearing the coverage of the Portal from games media because they are so clearly not the target audience. As someone who really only plays on PS5 and has limited time to play, the Portal is perfect. I don't want a bespoke handheld system with a new library of games. I want to be able to finish Baulder's Gate 3. And all the other cumbersome solutions defeat the purpose of needing something like this. I think it's a pretty shrewd business move making something that offers more game time to the older demographic invested in the platform, who have the disposable income to buy games provided they can finish the ones they already have.
I don't understand why ppl are hating on this device so much. This is not for everyone. Idk how these cry babies endured PS VR & DS edge when those came out lol.
If it connected to the console like the Wii U and had Bluetooth it would have been better.
Alex's laugh at 7:28 is incredible, replayed that bit a dozen times or so
Favorite part
Rich doesn't need to finish the review - just loop that laugh for 20 mins
I feel like I've watched hundreds of reviews on this device at this point and it seems to be that you are either onboard with it because you fit the target profile for this ACCESSORY(!!) or you are not onboard because you are projecting your own misunderstanding or unacceptance of the actual intention of this device onto the device itself. Also, do we all just have ZERO faith that Sony will support this device long-term adding highly-requested features along the way, you know, just like the PS5 itself?
There are going to be so many returns after Christmas. If this was a standalone Sony handheld console, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
It would also cost $399 lol
If you didn't support the vita ..then I don't want to hear it..
@@keivngibbs2897 it was Sony that didn’t support the Vita. I still have my oled launch model and still use it.
@@keivngibbs2897the Vita had it's own obstacles , mainly the price of the memory cards . I owned a PSP at the time and didn't see the Vita as something I wanted to upgrade to .
@@peterlegendI wouldn't have a problem with the price if it had good performance .
Wiiu gamepad was amazing,no lag at all.I used to play BO2multi-player all the time and actually preferred to use the gamepad screen instead of the tv😅.Some days ago i tried playing COD mp for my ps5 using remote play.. and the lag is really bad(I have a very fast netspeed connection)but still not very playable.
those were the days, it was great playing bo2multiplayer on the gamepad
> If anyone says there isn't latency just turn your speakers up.
Well there's your problem. The Playstation Portal has an input delay when the PS5 is actively outputting to a display via HDMI. You need to unplug the PS5 from the TV to get the best latency. Many people are reporting that this resolves all of their input delay issues.
At the very least Sony should add a 2nd screen functionality kinda like the Wii U controller, first party exclusives can use it for map or item screen.
John's definately turned a blind eye to the many positive reviews
What are the positive reviews?
Positive reviews... From what IGN or Gamespot or other bought off sites in Sonys pockets lol
He's right at the end of the day though. You can debate it all you like.
@@cun7usFeel free to visit the PlaystationPortal subreddit. There's a lot of us who are having no issues with the Portal thanks to having a decent WiFi router with a simple router setting tweak to split the 2.4 and 5 GHz signals into two SSIDs. I've seen a number of good reviews on RUclips from people like CKid or even LinusTechTips. But there are some software issues Sony needs to resolve for a better out of the box experience, as a lot of people are reporting that disconnecting the HDMI cable instantly resolves all input delay, as well as making sure games are set to prefer Performance, since a game might be trying to render at 4K resolution on your TV whilst simultaneously streaming a 1080p downscale to your Portal.
@@cun7us are you blind or dumb?
People praising wiiu now? With its terrible 480p screen? That would have looked bad even in 2007? Of course a 480p signal takes a fraction of MBits to transfer than even 720p, so a bit of lag is understandable
yeah well one could presume that the technological advancements made in the last 10 YEARS would close the gap lmao
I think what they are referring to with the Wii U is that the screen was able work seamlessly and didn't require an internet connect. Whereas the PlayStation does require an internet connection and depending on said internet connection, it can greatly impact the users experience.
I thought the WiiU screen looked nice for its time. Then again, I only really played SMB and WW on it, so colour correctness or black levels hardly came into question as limitations. 😊
On the other hand, in fairness that controller should also be backwardly compared to Portal by moving away from the transmission source.
Could almost leave the room containing the WiiU before the image broke worse than any other streaming device I ever tested. 😢
They need to try again with psp vita or something it would be amazing.
Exactly. Couldn't agree more.
It is absolutely mind-boggling that it does not allow for direct connection to the PlayStation while you are in your home.
There are apps on mobile devices and windows, which allow you to use your local Wi-Fi connection to connect to the device and adjust a number of parameters, and those same apps allow you to connect to the PlayStation remotely over the public Internet from any location.
The apps that I have used Work seamlessly. I beat Final Fantasy 16 while in another country.
I don't understand the purchasing decision of buying a $500 4K ultra HD 60 fps with HDR color depth game console meant to run on a 55" or larger TV, just to play it on a mediocre LCD phone sized screen, and be charged an $200 extra for the opportunity.
Sony's betting in 1-2 years time the reach and bandwidth of broadband and mobile networks can maintain a consistent .1sec lag threshold for on-the-go use. And you don't need to buy dedicated games for it. They're trying to ride the wave before it comes, i guess.
Have kids and you'll understand.
It’s called Cocomelon and Blippy…
The funny thing about anyone dogging on the portal is that this is the same tech Microsoft is betting big will bring them tons of customers to game pass. lol
I feel that expectations need to be tampered down for Playstation Portal. Sony stated during their announcement of the device exactly what is was and the expectation was that it would not be for everyone, yet the device is selling out. Could be because of the holiday season, nevertheless its selling. When the PS5 launched one of the major compliants was not having a dedicated device like the PS Vita or adding support for remote play for the Vita to PS5. Well, technology has advanced and the Vita's radio only supported 2.4ghz band with support for 802.11n and below. The PS5 supports 802.11ax which means you will have lower latency and since the Vita's radio can't support 802.11ax, it probably wouldn't have been ideal to use remote play on such an old wifi standard even if the PS5 supported direct connect/link or not. There would be a huge amount of latency noticed using the Vita. I loved the device btw and still play mine from time to time today. Now, with that said, everything depends on your environment and/or hardware. You need to know what wireless standard your router supports. Even if you are hardwired into your router directly with your PS5, your internet speed is part of the equation. Wifi speeds aren't going to be as fast as being hardwired. Also, you need to check your download/upload speeds over wifi. If you aren't getting the speeds that you are expecting, then you need to find out why. This could be due to the device using the 2.4ghz band instead of 5ghz or there could be too much noise, traffic, or interference on a certain channel on the 2.4ghz or 5ghz bands, which means you'll have to find a channel that has less traffic which will reduce the latency. Its unfortunate that a lot of this sometimes requires having a basic understanding of networking, because the average consumer or parent that purchases this device probably will not. All of this factors into your experience on the device. I have the Playstation Portal and have AP's throughout my home and have configured them to get the maximum amount of bandwidth as possible. I have played in different areas of my home and have had a good experience. There is still going to be latency and drops here and there but for me they aren't bad. I maintain a stable connection and haven't had the Portal drop or disconnect at all and I've played around 20 hours on it so far. I have use cases for it which is why I bought it. Is this device worth $200? Probably not, but for me it was worth the price of admission. I'm impressed and my expectation was to only use it for remote play, thats it. Yes the omission if bluetooth was a bummer but if you are in the same room as your PS5, you could just use your headset that is connected to your PS5 for sound. I haven't noticed the sound not being in sync with the stream on the Portal yet. When I'm not in the same room, I just use ear buds. The LCD screen is much better than I expected as well. Definitely not OLED but the its bright and the colors are pretty good and not too satuarated. I knew there would be latency and drops here and there, heck I experienced those on my Vita and Playstation TV device using remote play. I can say the device is way more comfortable to hold compared to the Switch. From a form factor perspective, its solid. I don't own a Steam Deck so I can't compare it to that from a form factor perspective but it does feel like you are holding a wide dualsense controller. My point is, your environment is going to be a huge factor in your experience with the device. If you are looking for a dedicated device to use for remote play only a few times during the week, then this device may be for you. I was one of probably the few that didn't want to use my phone and pair a controller to it or buy a backbone device to use for it. I wanted a dedicated streaming device. Could I have gone with a Steam Deck, sure, but I game on my desktop and not that often since I'm more of a console consumer compared to PC. I don't play on the go ever so shelling out $600 wasn't going to benefit me in the longe run. But again, the device does exactly what its suppose to do, stream your PS5 games to the device and thats it. Is there going to be latency, yes. Is there going to be drops, yes. Your network hardware will be key to your experience with it. Its not a perfect experience, but I'm OK with that. Its a good device, not great, that does what its suppose to do.
why do they make it sound like Portal is cost $500?
This was made to be an accessory to the PS5 nothing more nothing less and that’s only as it was advertised as well.
It sure seems an oversight to not have direct connection to the PS5, considering this was possible between PS3 and PSP/Vita.
The only reason not to do this I can see is the assumption most would only have the base console itself on wifi.
Then again, I suppose even in this case the PS5 could switch its internet connection to 2.4Ghz and have 5 for the Portal link. PS3 didn't have dual band, hence relying on wired for this mode.
Exactly. If it could do a direct connection to the console with no wifi, that alone would convince me to buy it. Remote play as an option is cool but shouldn't be the only way to use it.
I love how the guy to the bottom left is withholding so much anger like a pissy little b**** but the other two don't have nearly as many bad things to say. I think he was super frustrated they didn't hate it as much as he did
23:30 That is an absolute truth.
The PlayStation portal would be a lot more compelling if it had apps or add-ons to allow remote play with other devices, like steam on PCs or something.
Hopefully its a high margin product for Sony...that's the only upside I see to this whole product launch. Perplexing who the target audience is from a consumer standpoint.
I've seen someone say that the target audience was "dads with kids who use the tv all day" like, these people can't afford a second TV for the kid? I'm pretty sure you can buy a tv for 200 bucks.
@@danielr.7062you can get a HD 32 inch TV for the kid for less than $150 .
"What else can I say?........umm..it's got a big screen". This alone says alot lol
I own a PS5 and about 3 months ago purchased a Nintendo Switch. The PS5 is great and I am kicking myself for not buying the Switch years ago. I have absolutely no motivation for puchasing the PS-Portal.
About video quality: It's just the video encoding fixed-function in the RDNA2 part of the SoC, right? 'AMD AMF' if I'm correct? Isn't the quality of that always a bit smeary in things like particles and banding-sensitive stuff, now matter how high you set the bitrate? It's a very simple encoder without big blocks, b-frames and such from what I remember.
In my opinion they got it right. If Sony made a stand-alone handheld that could play PS5 games natively it would cost as much as a steam deck which is MORE than a base PS5 console....that wouldnt make any sense at all. For what the PS portal does at a $200 price point (which isn't a lot of money at all) its actually a pretty good deal.
Secondly i dont think the Portal is meant to be traveld around with nor was it advertised that way, its called the "portal" not the "portable" for a reason. The portal is for gamers who have familiies or roommates who they have to share a TV with and cant always play on it with their PS5. Thats why its mostly known as a "dad station" among those who own it.
It should be quite telling what the PSP is and how it does it, when a great deal of the conversation was hinged around how great the WiiU gamepad was 😂
A psp that plays games natively would have been great, one main issue is you really need a digital ps5 or download your games on to the console to play your library over wise your stuck with the one game you have in the disc drive
3:13 Great question. This was the only question I have.
I wish the PlayStation Portal would have a OLED screen instead of LCD.
This shows Sony should have thought about creating a console instead. A lot of the technology used by Steam Deck is in the same "family"/architecture as PS5 or Xbox and they should have tried having a portable console with reduce specs like the Xbox S but as an handheld without the flaws of dedicated peripherals like the Vita. If they think of doing such a device I would say it will be a huge success. The portal looks great and now imagine it been designed as a console instead.
For the use case this device offers I think I’d just buy a portable 17” gaming monitor for a lower price.
Similar to coop in videogames - Atlas Fallen, Gotham Knights, etc, the fact you can comfortably play a ps5 with a FULL dualsense controller seems to fall on deaf ears. I have a very full household. I have absolutely no problem with sitting somewhere in my house while others play other systems and i STILL get that sweet dual sense controller. I have used Mogas and the backbone is cool but i cant go back. The dualsense changed everything. I dont think this gadget is super n3cessary but super effective at doing ONE thing well. Thats it. Who the fuck thought it was something else? It isnt.
I was hoping for something more here. I'll just stick to using remote play with my Surface tablet. The Wii U game pad seemed to share a wifi frequency or channel with early Chromecast models. My Wii U gamepad would cut out if I had my Chromecast plugged in anywhere in the house.
A reason Sony prolly isn't doing a full blown handheld is bc it'd be like $400 and would go head2head against the Switch2, it's an uphill battle against the Switch2
Emulation. How? Does the Portal have storage to save ROMs?
Loving mine proud sony 🐎
I honestly don't understand corporate shills like you. That company doesn't give any fs about you. Only your money. They always deliver the absolute bare minimum and that in this case is the Portal. Just awful really
You mean proud pony.
I am currently at my GF's house playing PS5 games on my Portal with my PS5 back home. I disagree on how the DF views the Portal. And hey, flash forward this device sells like hot cakes, going beyond even Sony's most optimistic projections. I get that asking the DF team to analyze this device is like asking premier Scottish whisky masters to review a blended whisky; but I hoped they could look past it a little and look at the value a bit more.
If this thing ever supports cloud gaming in the future, then it would become a good deal.
In terms of screens: is this better than the steam deck oled? Considering the sehen deck only supports 720p and I could see the portals 1080p screen having the upper hand here due to possibly sharper image?
The Portal has a very high quality IPS display, so the colors are very close to that of an OLED. It's worth it to have 1080p on the Portal for the extra details.
Digital foundry "it's ok,fine". Put that on the box lol 😂
The mobile application on phones / iPads I believe are limited to 720p. Which is goofy, unless it’s been updated?
Up to 1080p60Hz is doable when remote playing to PS5. It's literally the same as the Portal
@@No4Sniper260 oh yeah, I was looking at the app and didn’t realize it said “resolution excluding PS4 Pro” right above it lol. Well, I guess you really are just paying for comfort and convenience of a dedicated remote player rather than tying up your phone / tablet.
There's now way this cost more than $100 for Sony to make, charging $200 for this is outrageous.
It's kinda sad that an unofficial remote play app on android (PSPlay) has more options/configuration available, like bit rate, than the official app.
Was released based on Japanese technology because their internet speeds are way ahead of ours
Don't have a portal but tried out of curiosity remote play on my laptop and while it was stable most of the time it had terrible input lag at moments something that was a nightmare while playing elden ring unfortunately
Then the Wii U was just a decade ahead
Wii u was actually better design
@@iconofsin4578 was it hell 🤣🤣🤣
Xbox remote play with tablet or phone is way ahead too.
@@ibrohiem
How so?
Does it work wired to a PC as a regular controller?
The portal is going to be great after its discounted and hacked to do something interesting
It's an Android using a Snapdragon SOC so technically it can be, but the question is whether the average user would do that or even know how.
even when hacked, the psportal has close to no storage and no sd card slot....so it needs to be a big project just to make this thing worth it
I'm glad MS is focusing on games.
I honestly don't understand the purpose of this device. I would never switch on and use my PS5 remotely because there might be a fire or some kind of problem and I couldn't do anything about it. I switch everything off if I'm not at home for more than 2 days. Apart from that, you can't play well with the thing as far as I can tell.
Sony told people what the device was gonna be. People made up in their OWN heads what THEY wanted the PlayStation Portal to be. Then when it wasnt what people created it to be their minds they were disappointed. The other half are Xbox only gamers that hate Sony for whatever reason and want it to fail although its sold out everywhere. It's a want item not a need item. You want it but don't need it so idk why everyone is so harsh about the remote play device that Sony told us was just going to be a remote play device
I never get access to my TV. So Ive been playing on my iPad air for a couple years. So far theres less artifacting and lag on the iPad but I'm going to keep trying for a few more updates before I give up on it
My Playstation has its own vlan/wifi network to try to minimize the latency
Do you think 30fps works better on the portal vs 60 fps? I was wondering if because the frames are at 33ms it might be easier to send to the portal? Does it matter in your opinion?
No, 60fps is better. Less latency and image quality isn't that noticeable on the smaller screen.
@@MegaKiri11 are you sure because my assumption less data would be transfered with the video stream being half the frames. I'm already seeing a decent amount of artifacting on Spiderman 2 and final fantasy 7 remake
I'll switch to 60 I was assuming before I'd have a better experience with 30 but worth a shot
@@technicallyme Just try and compare! Maybe you would like 30fps, it also might depend on your router setup...
@@MegaKiri11 I have my ps5 on its own vlan ethernet and ssid just for remote play. I was a little surprised sony used 802.11ac vs ax. You would think traffic prioritization would be designed for this system
Imagine using this thing in public… Even adults would bully you.
Side by side comparison between your the portal and the screen your game is on is pointless it will always be some type of delay. The portal runs remote play better then a phone and thats the point. Also you can use it as a 2nd controller if you want to. Remember sony like most companies dont want their tech hached and thats what happened with the Vita so they probably wont take that route again. As for my experience with the portal its been great, I mostly play single player games because multi player games will always be a problem with remote play.
A test bed. To test dual sense on portable screen. Maybe they ran out product tester.
I love my portal but hate my wifi
It’s strange that ps portal doesn’t connect directly to ps5. After all, ps vita was connected directly to ps4.
I guess there are a lot of content creators who have bought this and will help their bottom line .
Bought?
Dark is complaining cause the Portal does what Sony said it would do... wtf?
I am assuming the ps5 is hardwired to the Reuter? If not that's a little disingenuous regarding the quality
Im just for the complaints from people who have bought this without realising that you actually need a PS5 for it to work. It will happen
No Bluetooth headphone support. Multiple frames of latency. Nearly the price of a Vita, plays zero games on its own. Woof.
Your right about no Bluetooth support. I own a Sony WH-1000XM5 headset and it not compatible with it. 😢😢😢
So far the reviews I have seen have been mixed. Some have a perfect game session with one game, then they switch to a different one and it's suddenly unplayable with connection issues. Switch back to the other game and it's fine again.
That's symptomatic of a poor WiFi connection, or the game is set to "Quality" or "Resolution" mode instead of Performance. They should make sure their Portal is connecting to a 5 GHz access point. Their router should be configured to split the 2.4 and 5 GHz access points into two separate SSIDs. The PS5 should be plugged into Ethernet, and system settings in the PS5 should be set to prefer performance. The HDMI cable should also be unplugged as it's a commonly reported source for input delay. The PS5 might be trying to render to your 4K HDR TV while also simultaneously streaming to the Portal.
Funny how there's this silly notion out there(which even DF helped pushed, from time to time) that Nintendo uses a penny-pinching approach to hardware development. Yet, more than 12 years later, there's no other form of remote play that can touch the Wii U, as far as a "lag-free" experience goes(heck, it was effective anti-lag since the pad displayed before the TV!). That doesn't happen by accident... nor by cheaply allocated research/hardware development budget.
If people WERE honest, they'd have to admit that Nintendo brought state-of-the-art tech to the table with the Wii U's concept, but because their perception of "state-of-the-art" is almost exclusively focused on the CPU/GPU front, they're FORCED to dismiss every other area where Nintendo invests the bulk of their R&D/Hardware budget.
Truth is, Nintendo has ALWAYS been on the cutting edge, in one way or another. Sometimes their budget is spent in ways OTHER THAN what WE would prefer, but the high quality is usually represented in the area(s) that help them best execute their current hardware vision.
Except that the original PSP did remote play with a direct link to the PS3 way back in 2007. 5 years before the Wii U came out 🤷🏽♂️
I like the portal but i think im out. Watched about 30 reviews some ps fanboys and some not. Seems to me the device is alright and alright for $200. Doesnt do much and has its issues. Ghis doesnt look like a stella hit by sony but more of an ok niche selling product. They really needed to rebuild remote play to make portal perfect which will hurt sales long term. Sold out now but come feb/match time, sales will dropp off like a cliff.
My biggest gripe with the portal and why I sent it back was the lack of user switching within the ps5. You have to manually sign out of the portal device to change the user
How's 16ms equal to 2-3 frames? If he is playing on 60hz its 16.6ms per frame,so 3 frames is around 50ms.If its 120hz(unlikely) even then its 8.3ms per frame so 3 frames is around 30ms.
wth u on about? There was 60ms latency ie ~3ish frames.
I find this product emblematic of Sony's current greed cycle
Thank You for tips on how to mesure delay so my addition to DB
matebook e 2020 oled windows tablet , Cudy WR3000 OpenWrt router 5ghz AX
delay to 65C1 Oled 5ms lowest from 10 pictures
delay to Sharp LCD tv 7ms lowest from 10 pictures
But this test also shows frame pacing issues with delays tops 200ms .So not every frame arrive on time.
It's just a good controller with a 8" screen, you can just use a clip for your phone and the dualsense pretty much same experience 😅, it's kinda like a fancy gadget to cut onions and vegetables, a knife works probably better!
This should be the cloud gaming device for Sony but Hey maybe when MS runs away with cloud next Gen they maybe wake up😅
Most of the reviews were positive
And the media typically fall over themselves to praise overpriced, gimmick Sony products. This generation is riding on the popularity inertia of the previous generation. They've made poor and greedy decisions consistently for the past few years.
We see why Sony delayed giving test ps portals to the DF staff 😂
John is right. Why should we temper our expectations? It's a $200 accessory that can't do anything on it's own. Don't buy it on the promise of it being cracked in the future. Judge the device on its merits and it barely has any.
Tempering expectations is the wrong term. The only people that need to do that are the people who buy a dedicated remote play device and expect to to be a handheld game system. An elite game controller is also $200 and only does one thing. That argument is silly.
No Bluetooth = 0/10. I'm sorry, but we are just about to hit 2024, and for a device to release without bluetooth is beyond baffling. It is unacceptable! I'm also not falling for Sony's strategy, who are without question betting on consumers to purchase their new Sony's Pulse Earbuds with the purchase of the PlayStation Portal, because the Sony Pulse Earbuds are the only wireless sound option you've got right now. I'm not sure how good the new Sony Pulse Earbuds sound, but of all the gaming sound options I've bought in the past, they all sound terrible. Buy a pair of Bose QC45 Headphones that are on sale right now, if you want great quality sound. Do not buy gaming headsets. Anyways, back to the Portal... Why on earth would anyone want to play a game on a portable device, when you've most likely have a gorgeous 4K TV? The whole point about buying a PlayStation 5, is to enjoy your games on the big screen with Next-Gen 4K graphics. You bought a console that is intended to be played on a 4K TV. Now, you want to buy this with your TV sitting right next to you? Are you out of your mind? Well, you may say as long as the PS5 is on, I can play games anywhere right? Yes, but at 480p with terrible bitrate that in my opinion is not enjoyable. Also, what happens of you're on vacation, and the power goes out in your house? You are screwed. The PS5 must be in at least sleep mode to activate it, and play games on the Portal. There is no option to turn on your PS5 remotely. Save your money and buy a Steam Deck. It's so ridiculous, that you couldn't pay me enough money to play games on the Portal. If you gave me a free portal, it would sit on my shelf collecting dust, which is exactly what going to happen to everyone who buys this thing. If you are a RUclipsr who does reviews, then fine buy it to inform people how bad it is. If you are not a RUclipsr, absolutely do not waste your money on this device.
Sony's betting in 1-2 years time the reach and bandwidth of broadband and mobile networks can maintain a consistent .1sec lag threshold for on-the-go use. And you don't need to buy dedicated games for it. They're trying to ride the wave before the Switch2 comes, i guess.
Good points
Sony absolutely said before the portal came out that they had some secret sauce in there to make it better than normal remote play and it was a complete lie and it's not like they couldn't have made it work better than regular remote play see wii u gamepad.
The smallest screen I could play a game on is 42 inch minimum .