Let me play psychic: It will release, reviewers will say they wished it was OLED but will say its a good LCD, will talk about the many reasons you should get one, etc. Two years later, "Nintendo is giving us what we wanted with this OLED version..." Rinse and repeat...
I'd be shocked if they wait the 2 years. No reason to not just offer both with the oled being like 200 dollars more. I think it would be cool if they also made that one a little more powerful to justify it's price but I doubt it.
@@ayourmum8521 they will not release OLED version together with LCD version because they, Nintendo, know that they have a lot of cult like fans. People that buy the same game on every damn generation since 20 years ago. So Nintendo knows that they will sell LCD and then OLED Switch to these people.
@@ayourmum8521 They will wait so they can milk the entire market of the first adopters, then do it again for the OLED. It's the Rockstar GTA playbook.
No, removing joy cons would be just dumb. There are plenty of high selling games and fitness games that utilize this concept well, I'm not even talking about how comfortable you can share them with friends. They should make Joy Cons BETTER, not remove them.
True. As a portable gaming fan since the first GameBoy, I've switched to UMPCs since the release of GPD Win 2. And I will never return to any proprietary handheld after I've tried a portable PC gaming machine ))) And on top of the instant access to a vast PC/console gaming library Steamdeck provides, Valve is much more customer friendly company than Nintendo.
As much as I hate to admit it I was also a Playstation gamer till I got a gaming laptop and now the legion go/ally I do admit sometimes consoles are still better because things just work but pc with all the mods/framerate unlocks is just too good
I think it's important to remember that most Switch players are not display enthusiasts, or tech snobs for the matter. Most people will see an 8-inch screen, get hyped, buy the next Switch, and play whatever brightly colored Nintendo game happens to looks decent on an LCD.
honestly, the v1 switch that i have has a screen i'm totally content with. if i want beautiful colors on a rich display i'm going to play at home. playing on the go is more about the fact that i need something to do while i'm waiting for a dentist appointment or something. i don't doubt that the switch oled would be a better thing to look at, but honestly it's such a low priority issue that i don't care. i already don't take the thing around with me much anyway, and i bought a vita because it was much smaller, so the 8 inch screen wouldn't certainly help it in that regard but i'm all for it if it means more power for games.
Exactly. I'm willing to bet that out of the 100+ whatever million of people that have bought a Switch, only like 1 or 2 percent care or know what OLED or LCD mean.
The most important aspects of a handheld to me are battery life and weight. I'm playing my Switch OLED handheld only and the graphics are like the lowest setting of PC games but I'm grateful because I the sleep mode feature on handhelds are the greatest invention gaming has ever had beside save states on emulators.
An 8-in screen on the standard device will allow Nintendo to not only capitalize on pretty powerful hardware and good battery life, but it really makes Nintendo's marketing of a Lite model MUCH more appealing.
@@skycloud4802 well I can see nintendo releasing it soon to go alongside the switch 2's lifecycle. like the ps3 super slim. then a few years mid cycle a switch 2 lite
I remember in 2022 Nintendo's president said the console was in its mid life cycle. It'll be funny if Nintendo go another year without announcing new hardware
I also don't use the Joycons when docked as I prefer the pro controller. However, the vast majority of the Switch user base doesn't use their Switch like that. People buying this as a family type system tend to entirely rely on Joycons. So dumping them isn't very practical for the largest part of their consumer base, especially at the cost of a higher price tag to include a single pro controller, where they'll have to buy at least one more... if not three if they want to play something like Mario Party. Then again, perhaps they make bigger Joycons or they continue use the Joycon, but it just doesn't dock with the unit. If it is bigger, it's going to be interesting to see how they handle this without screwing it up.
Yeah I don't either use joycons ever when docked, but I do use em in handheld and especially on the go gaming. And usually I prefer to use them detached from console. So I hope they do keep the Joycon, just update them maybe a bit bigger size and more comfortable design with magnetic sticks to solve drifting issues and I'm sold 👌😂
i will say that buying 3 sets of joycons is the same price as buying 3 pro controllers. the main difference would be the inability to use the individual joycons per player, for games like mario kart and mario party that only need what a joycon has. if we're being honest though, nobody actually enjoys using them like that... it's only good for small children. maybe if they made them bigger it would be nicer to hold.
I don't think they'll get rid of the joy con model, maybe they'll introduce a next gen joycon with a new size/specs, but I think having a portable multiplayer system is too much of a marketing point/unique feature to get rid of. Also not needing multiple controllers and whatnot.
The Switch logo and animation are all tied to the joy-cons, so dropping them will mean a whole new branding, so I could see a new name to better mate with the new concept.
They won't drop them, John is wrong lol. It's their lightning in a bottle they aren't gonna let that go. Look at the Wii U. They aren't gonna make that mistake again of changing something that was working again.
@@the_pentah00k58 Yea besides my point though. It didn't come with any. It came with the pad and console only. Most people just thought it was a Wii add on not a new console lol
I have a regular Switch. It’s already awkward as a handheld outside of the house (feels too large for the bus). 8inch is fine for at home in bed but hardly feels like a proper portable device
@@tokyopinokyoyeah. And when the Switch 2 comes out your only option will be a huge device with a dumb 8 inch screen. You'll get a lite version years later.
On the topic of joycons, I was thinking about this last night... Everyone keeps saying they want the Switch 2 to be backwards compatible with games (which I very much agree with), but I haven't seen anyone question or mention whether it will be backwards compatible with the Joycons, Pro controller, or other peripherals. (Thinking about this has also convinced me that they won't call the Switch 2 the 'Switch Pro' because then they'd have to release a 'Switch Pro *Pro* Controller')
There is no chance Nintendo abandons joycons. They are a huge money maker selling people additional colors and special editions. It also allowed them to skirt around a lot of the uproar over joycons failing as often as they do, as you can just replace them. If they’re tied to the device you have a much bigger problem on your hands.
Every time I see the PlayStation Portal I want one. I’ll never actually bother getting one in it’s current configuration, but the industrial design is spot-on
One thing the Switch2 doesen't need: A bigger screen. The screen of the OG Switch is big enough, OLED is nice, but ... no need to go bigger. I still want it to be a normal handheld, and the Switch is a pretty big handheld allready.
I think the 7 inch OLED is perfect and I only play in handheld with aftermarket joycons. If they could keep the same body size but eek out an extra inch by reducing the bezels even more, it would be perfect. I would hate an even larger device like the playstation portal thing or a steam deck, those things are too large.
@@DaveSimkus As nice as the size is. If the Switch 2 is gonna have PS4ish GPU horsepower than you kind of need a bigger size due to the cooling and battery needs alone. There is good reason every PS4 class handheld in recent years is around the size of a steam deck. Its simply because it's impractical to put that kind of power in a smaller form factor. Look at the thousand dollar iphones and ipads that need to render the RE4 Remake port at 300p internal while completely destroying the battery, and those M1 chips are some of the most efficient mobile chips on the market.
@@11cat123the ipad runs it at like 720p upscalled to 1080p. The m1 chip and the larger surface area (better cooling) makes a difference. Aldo the m1 ipad runs resident evil village a bit better than the steam deck at a slightly higher resolution according to digital foundry. It could be better though, on an apple m1 pro(base m1) the performance is a lot better.
The screen size also has game design implications. For a lot of titles, Nintendo was kind of wrestling with having to support big-screen playing but also make sure things weren't too small on the Switch Lite. Fonts and UI needed to be bigger. "Hidden objects" needed to be more obvious, harsher colors, bigger animations and sparkles and glows. It made things a little uglier on a big screen, for the sake of readability. For some games, they did favor the TV experience and the text ended up really small even on the regular Switch. With an 8-inch screen, I hope the differences won't be as drastic, and it'll give them more room to be more subtle with their design sense. Anyway, a generation of kids grew up using iPads. They'll absolutely be ready for an 8-inch handheld. For me personally, I hardly ever used my Switch in handheld mode because I felt the screen was too small for the types of games I played on it, and my hands always cramped up from how uncomfortably small the controllers are in my big-ish hands. So if the controllers are also a little bigger, I'd welcome it though I wouldn't mind if they still skewed smaller as long as we still get a big player base to incentivize devs to give it decent priority.
I don't know what John's smoking it will definitely have joycons lol they would never ditch that concept since it's been SO successful. They won't include a pro controller type controller because they want to sell you one of those extra... I think John's way off here.
And the only reason for that prediction is that the device would be bigger to support the rumored 8 inch screen... It makes much more sense that it would come with re-designed Gen 2 joycons that fit the new system, and they would probably sell adapters for the old ones, or at least for them to work wirelessly. I mean, Nintendo could absolutely do away with removeable controllers, but it would be really stupid of them. But the reasoning of "I never used them detached because I have a pro controller" assumes that's how the majority of people play, which there's no evidence for.
I think it will just get bigger joy-cons, it doesn't make much sense to drop the concept of them. Bigger controllers could mean full sized buttons (hopefully with a proper d-pad this time), bigger batteries and maybe even adaptive triggers. Hopefully if they make another Lite model it will still be able to dock this time.
Bigger doesnt seem better after a certain point. Something the size of a Lite with OLED and display out would be great. Analogue Pocket is looking more attractive.
@@PumatSol Yeah true. For the money though, factoring the Pocket dock and cart adapters, MIDI/Sync cables, it's probably as much as getting a Switch 2 with basic accessories and a physical launch game will be so yeah like $500 either way. That's if you have enough old cartridges to make it worth it in the first place.
Maybe Nintendo will assume that everyone who buys a Switch 2 will already have a pair of Joy-Cons for games that use them detached just like they assumed everyone who bought a Wii U already owned Wii remotes
Fyi, joy cons are the only way to play and the best way to party play. So much more fun, easily accessible for anyone. Unlike other console stuff, the best multiplayer experience is same room/side by side.
Honestly if this has built-in non-detatchable controls, I could see them putting it out without an included Pro Controller. Basically a dockable Switch Lite, but without the Lite. Maybe even the dock is a separate purchase?
It would be great if the dock could have some kind of IR sensors that could solve the joycon issues with house of the dead. The bar with with the wii and joycons do not work properly but Namco hit it perfectly with the Gcon 3 sensors.
I'm surprised by this discussion. LCD doesn't mean "bad screen". The new mini LED screens are almost as good (in some cases better, see Sony's new references tvs, than OLED). They won't keep the joy-cons. They will have a new control design. Why would they keep something that's constantly failing and the need to warranty repair them etc?
It's one part of the Joy-Con that's failing, which is the sticks. All they need to do is put some shiny new Hall effect sticks in and then no more worries for them.
They won't do the because then they will be admitting legally that their current Joy-Cons is flawed. They will get a new patent for a new controller and use their new joy stick patent (magnetic fluid design) or something like that. @@ironicdivinemandatestan4262
The thought of non-removable joycon really makes me nervous... because the Joycons were terribly uncomfortable, and the thought of being stuck with them in hand held mode is a potential deal breaker.
Yeah that would be terrible and if a controller broke, you'd have to buy an entire new system. Joycons are great because you can swap them out and buy aftermarket ones.
I personally hope it still has attachable joycon like controllers because they enabled you to do more than just detach them to play on your TV. A major selling point of the switch was playing multiplayer games on one switch with two joycons. I've witnessed many people playing their switch this way at parties and elsewhere. I feel that making the switch 2 an all in one handheld will really limit it's versatility.
Im not sure why they keep saying that Nintendo will remove the Joycons just because its gonna be a big device... Just make the joycons bigger too lol, look at the Lenovo Legion Go.
@@mikeuk666 One can only hope. Although I have to say I’ve only had drift in my og joycons. Everything I’ve bought in the last 3~4 years, no issues yet and I only play handheld with joycons. All that aside. I’m very much exhausted of years of talking about the Switch Pro, the next Switch, especially these last weeks. I just want it to be over. Everyone stop talking until Nintendo announced it. And Nintendo’s silence is almost as deafening and irritating as Team Cherry ignoring that people would like to hear something about Silksong more than once a year.
I disagree with joycons being removed. If a controller broke, you could swap it out or get aftermarket ones to suit your needs. It also doesn't feel flimsy they way he said it does. Also, the OLED switch still has some bezel around the display, they could potentially keep almost the same size but increase the display by an inch.
The removable joy cons are genius. It’s what enables wii and motion controlled games to be played docked. Split joycons are the best way to play with gyro controls, and imo gyro is essential in console fps. And imo the huge variety of control options switch offers is part of why I think it’s a great machine. Other nice things about the joycons are that they enable 2 player at any time with split joycons. Also, playing with them split in both hands is very comfortable.
Lmao why? Americans are so poor they cry when they have to pay anything more than $199 for a gaming console, imagine how they're gonna cry if the Switch 2 was $449 😂
@@vickybengaliIgnorant comment. Modern OLED screens don’t have this problem with normal regular use. To burn in an OLED screen, requires a user to purposely go out of their way to damage their display, by forcing static images at maximum brightness for dozens if not hundreds of hours at a time. The average OLED screen user doesn’t do that to their devices. 🤦🏻♂️
I would have loved an HDR handheld if for no other reason than to show people how good HDR is. I still hear from so many people who have never seen good HDR and think HDR is terrible. Once you have seen HDR on an OLED or good LCD you just can't go back.
I wonder if they just make the dock (maybe it's a 4K dock now?) and external controls an add-on, and have it be compatible with the old dock and controllers. There's 100 million+ of the things out there and those first-year purchases are probably going to be dominated by existing users upgrading. Like the 3DS and the charger. Keeps the BOM down a bit, helps them hit $400 with a decently fast device, also makes the box smaller which counts for a fair bit when you're shipping millions of them. A bigger screen does a good job of conveying "this is a newer, significantly better thing" to existing owners, and we've all got docks and controllers.
It's definitely gonna need to be a new dock with the device since the only dock can only output 1080p60 max they're gonna include one that has HDMI 2.1 like the other systems which can output 4k120 with vrr support im not saying any game with run at that but at the very least it can output that for basic things like the menu and RUclips
@@The_MEMEphisYou're thinking of the original Switch dock, which has HDMI 1.4b. The OLED dock has HDMI 2.0, which can do up to 4K 60 fps with 10-bit HDR and full chroma.
@@ironicdivinemandatestan4262 the new switch is gonna be a completely different size with an 8 inch screen its not gonna fit in the old dock plus they're gonna have to include a dock anyway because not every is gonna have the original switch plus people might wanna sell their original switch a new dock is gonna be necessary also it needs HDMI 2.1 not 2.0 there is a big difference 2.1 can support 120hrz
A non detachable controller would make me think about buying a steam deck instead. That’s pretty much the only reason haven’t bought the steam deck. I love the having the ability to play handheld then docking and playing with detachable controller without having to bring extra controllers to play docked. Plus it’s nice having the ability to replace controllers, if one breaks. If Switch 2 has non detachable controllers, if something breaks on the controller, you have to open the whole console.
Just make bigger joy-cons. I never expected a Switch 2 to have used the same joy-cons as the Switch(otherwise it would look no different to Switch 1 in pics)...or even for them to attach in exactly the same way. If the handheld aspect did have the controls built-in., I wouldn't be shocked to see them bundle an evolution of the Wiimote/nunchuk rather than a pro controller..or something like VR controllers..where you have one in each hand (or 1 per person for two player).
Maybe a clam shell style console, but somehow it will dock for TV use? *Maybe the top half will snap off like the Windows Surface for docking? 🤔 Just putting that out there 🔮
Clamshell would be awesome. The 3DS was perfectly portable because you could shut it closed and put it in your pocket without damaging the screen or buttons. The Switch really isn't that portable, you have to carry a case with it.
I think here's a rare case of John being mistaken. The joycons are an incredible value proposition for the average consumer. You get the handheld, a normal controller with the grip, and two Wiimote-like controllers with the straps. There's three ways to play in one package. I agree they might completely redesign them for a better execution, but I think the modular, versatile approach is a must for the mass market appeal the Switch has.
im more concerned with what NEW feature the new console will have. its been a while nintendo would just release a next gen console with only being a beefed up of the previous console without a new feature/gimmick.
I hate that you’re right. The dumbest thing was people thinking we’d get Switch 2 in like 2021… when have we ever had a 3 or 4 year Nintendo console lifespan!? And with the success of the Switch!? Why would the just cut it short!!? 😡 Even the Wii U, Nintendo’s worst main console flop, had a 4 and a half year life. 😤
I've always said that Nintendo will make Switch 2 as big as a Steamdeck and Nintendo fans will instantly shove that "bulky Steamdeck" argument right where it came out )))
@@The_MEMEphis lighter weight means less battery. thinner means less ergonomic, and inconvinient to hold, and worse heat spread. Regardless, Nintendo fans will eat anything even if it will be bigger AND heavier.
Where does this "no joycon" idea come from. Joycons allow for the most relaxed gaming positions. Allow to share the experience anywhere... The only issue is drift.
The discussion around the joy cons felt a bit disconnected from the reality to me... I've seen non gamer friends and family who all have a Switch for their kids, and they all use Joy Cons as their primary or even sole controller. Kids shares joy cons, they have preferences for some colours, etc. I feel It would be a mistake for Nintendo to get away from them. Also, Nintendo is still releasing new Joy Cons every few months (like the upcoming pink one for Peach), which tells me there is a market for it. Also the whole marketing around the Switch and its logo is based on the Joy Cons, would be weird to get away from them for a new console which will probably aim to have a smooth transition.
Dude they aren’t getting rid of joy-cons it wouldn’t be a switch anymore wtf you smoking. The legion go has good removal controllers and is an 8 inch device.
Okay now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo goes with a completely different name for their next system unrelated to Switch in order to help minimize consumer confusion. I wouldn't be surprised if the Switch successor uses its own set of proprietary joy cons.
I really think they are going to keep the removable controllers, but make them more 'pro' controller like. It would increase the base cost of the machine quite a bit if they had to include a pro controller with the console to allow users to play it connected to a TV. It is possible that they sell the dock separately and sell it as a handheld primarily, but I'm thinking that's less likely.
I play primarily in console mode anyway, so the screen makes little difference to me. If the LCD is much better than the OG Switch, that should be enough for most people. It's mostly those who got OLED Switches that will be disappointed. As far as joycons go, I don't think the idea of the joycons is bad, and I also don't see them going away outright. Really they just need to improve quality and connectivity.
Im very excited for switch 2. I just want a more powerful switch. I keep mine docked 99 percent of the time but still love that if the power gets cut my switch keeps going. Really really hope its backward compatible and I actually see switch 2 having an LCD screen as a good thing because it means the money they save there might mean a bit more raw power inside. If they add in OLED then they need to cut elsewhere to keep the cost down.
Joycons make my life easier, I could take my Switch to a friends house and be ready to play multiplayer with out bringing more controllers, but for more demanding games a pair of extra joycons are a must or a procontroller. I think Nintendo should keep the joycons concept and expand on them making them more ergo and overall better.
It's pretty anecdotal to predict the next console won't have removable controllers based on personal use. I've had a Switch since launch and have never owned a pro controller. I'm probably 50/50 between handheld and docked, and I just put the controllers in the grip when it's docked. I also play local multiplayer with my friends regularly; I just bring my Switch and pair my joycons to their console. I know plenty of people who play their Switch exclusively in handheld mode, it's like if they predicted the next console wouldn't be dockable with a TV just because they never used it. It would be foolish of them to toss out that concept. If the screen is 8 inches, the simplest explanation is that the new console will have new joycons, and old ones might be attachable with an adapter. But predicting they'll get rid of removable controllers just because the system with be a bit bigger is a bit of a stretch as of now.
I'd be curious to see if the Switch 2 it will be able to use any sort of local dimming along with more modern LCD backlight technologies like QLED, Mini LED or even Micro LED? I feel with those technologies you can at least still get a pretty good picure on LCD screens, but otherwise going back to an LCD is going to be a very noticeable downgrade from the Switch OLED.
With so a big screen size, Switch 2 will be much closer to Wii U (which, I remind, was a failure) than to the more portable Switch 1. Playing at home on so big screen will be ok, but going with this outside becomes an uncofortable problem. In my personal opinion 6-7" would be a better solution.
7 inch screen of the Switch OLED is a big enough screen size. It's just unfounded rumours guesses at a 8 inch screen for the Switch sucessor! Main market Japan adults have smaller hands than western countries. Plus also young kids will be a big market for the Switch sucessor.
The LCD Display on the Portal and also the Asus Rog Ally are very good. Yes I’d love OLED and I’m sure we’ll see it further down the line, but LCD is still pretty good.
Removing the joycons feature would be a terrible idea because if your brand new switch2 has drift you have to replace or repair the whole console, nobody wants that. Just make them better and more reliable. The joycons may seem useless for hardcore gamers but giving us the choice to use the controllers we want even in portable mode is amazing and a feature too. You are not forced to use on board controllers if you dont like em and that has been a major selling point for third party accesories too.
An approximately 8'' display could fit the current Switch chassis, if there's next to no bevel, which is of course unlikely. But it's technically possible ~
It's must 8" or 10.5" at least 1080p so we can read and see tiny details in some RPGs nothing smaller. Our time is precious, we can't waste it with half products and nothing than best next gen visuals and animations games
Regarding OLED being 30% more in terms of cost, please remember that when you're selling 130m+ units just $1 per unit is literally hundred of millions. An OLED as standard would cost them over a billion. I can see why they'd want to put their money elsewhere. Conversely an upgraded unit selling at a premium is a great way to drive the price back up and boost margins.
Why you as a consumer should look for an excuse to a company to sell you an inferior device? I think as a consumer you should demand the best quality for your money. You buy the product for yourself and not to please the company, right?
@@Sly2Cooper Nothing is free in this world. Ultimately Nintendo is not a charity, and so they will either charge you for the privilege or take the money some place else. One must choose. For the most part OLED doesn't matter so much on the switch because: 1. A lot of people keep it in docked mode basically all the time 2. When they don't have the switch docked, you are probably out and about where the contrast of OLED doesn't matter and having more brightness like an LCD can give you is more useful.
@@Sly2Coopera steam deck oled is like 549 dollars. More expensive than a ps5. Most people aren't spending that much cash on a handheld especially one wich has less storage than a ps5 and less performance than a ps4 at 1080p.
@@oo--7714 You buy a gaming handheld ONCE in five years. And then it's about GAMES prices. The price of a machine itself is absolutely IRRELEVANT compared with how much you will spend on games. And comparing constant Steam sales with how much Nintendo rips for its games Steamdeck is much more cheaper than owning a Switch. Steamdeck has an INSTANT access to almost ANY PC/console game imaginable for the past three or four decades for a fracture of price and NO NEED to waste years and years for a vague chance of a port. It's a GAMING machine, so it's about GAMES and not the price of a unit you buy ONCE. Why do I need a Switch 2 with NO games or Switch with very limited library as a GAMER? Why do I have to waste years and years for a vague chance of an overpriced port (SIX years for a Batman port? seriously?)
I know a 2024 lcd can look better than a 2017 one aside from raw res, but since the oled genie has gotten out, you can't put it back in, and thus if the lcd pans out, I bet customers/early adopters might hold out till an oled pro model comes out....
I see Joycon staying. The dual motion controllers can allow for interesting control schemes. They will double down on that. I could see them wanting full motion tracking. That way, they can bring back pointer controls.
John - I think joycons are great for people with small hands and kids. It would actually probably turn people off to all of a sudden have a bigger joysticks out of the blue. But maybe you’re right. I would prefer Nintendo keep the joycons and put a split pad pro thing also in the box. That would be very consumer friendly. I love the Split Pad Pro. Makes Switch handheld gaming super fun.
My kingdom for a switch two version that doesnt have a screen and is more compact because I've never undocked my switch to play it mobile since it originally launched
"I think, in practice, people weren't switching between them that often..." Oh how wrong you are lmao. People use the detachable nature ALL THE TIME with the switch.
Interesting thought that I have is that maybe Switch 2 will have 21:9 screen. This will allow Nintendo to use same JoyCons, because the height of the 21:9 8 inch screen is just 0.7 cm more than height of 16:9 7 inch screen. Also this will provide novel portable handheld experiences.
While I would love a 64:27 (which is the actual aspect ratio) screen, it just doesn't make any sense. A Switch also has to work on a TV, and 95% of people who have a TV have one in standard 16:9. Having it be any wider is completely out of the question.
Where are you getting 8nm from? The switch used 20nm x1 because it was given at a massive discount but with this new custom chip TSMC 6nm or 4nm both make complete sense here.
... an 8in LCD would "look right" with existing joycons if the aspect ratio is 21:9 instead of 16:9... (ends up roughly the same height as the og 6.2in screens)... if it is LCD though, hoping the 120Hz rumour is true...
kids have no issue with ipad sizes. they love them. so not really an issue. ive never really been team red for nintendo but with ps and xbox being lackluster this is looking promising. im getting excited for it
Re: the Joy-Cons, I do think they'll return, albeit at a new size in line with the new console, with a true D-pad - if it's the Switch 2, these will be Joy-Cons 2.0. I think they'll sell an adapter case set separately to allow you to connect old Joy-Cons to the Switch 2 if you so wish.
I wish DF would remember that while technically impressive features such as OLED are nice they also increase the cost and most people don't want to have to pay money for all these components they don't actually need. If people want an OLED then wait for them to release that rather than criticising Nintendo for doing the right thing. Personally I only use the Switch in docked mode so there's a lot of wasted components that I'm paying for that I don't really need.
It's not the right thing omitting the option of an oled model alongside a cheaper lcd model and only offer lcd for a while even possibly a few years after Switch 2, while people have seen Nintendo CAN make Oled handhelds as we've seen with Switch 1.
Let me play psychic: It will release, reviewers will say they wished it was OLED but will say its a good LCD, will talk about the many reasons you should get one, etc. Two years later, "Nintendo is giving us what we wanted with this OLED version..." Rinse and repeat...
I'd be shocked if they wait the 2 years. No reason to not just offer both with the oled being like 200 dollars more. I think it would be cool if they also made that one a little more powerful to justify it's price but I doubt it.
@@ayourmum8521 $200 more?! Did hit your head with a coconut?
@@ayourmum8521 they will not release OLED version together with LCD version because they, Nintendo, know that they have a lot of cult like fans. People that buy the same game on every damn generation since 20 years ago. So Nintendo knows that they will sell LCD and then OLED Switch to these people.
Original Steam Deck PTSD
@@ayourmum8521 They will wait so they can milk the entire market of the first adopters, then do it again for the OLED. It's the Rockstar GTA playbook.
No, removing joy cons would be just dumb. There are plenty of high selling games and fitness games that utilize this concept well, I'm not even talking about how comfortable you can share them with friends. They should make Joy Cons BETTER, not remove them.
I was dying for a Switch successor until I broke down and got a Steam Deck and got fucking converted into a PC gamer.
True. As a portable gaming fan since the first GameBoy, I've switched to UMPCs since the release of GPD Win 2. And I will never return to any proprietary handheld after I've tried a portable PC gaming machine ))) And on top of the instant access to a vast PC/console gaming library Steamdeck provides, Valve is much more customer friendly company than Nintendo.
As much as I hate to admit it I was also a Playstation gamer till I got a gaming laptop and now the legion go/ally I do admit sometimes consoles are still better because things just work but pc with all the mods/framerate unlocks is just too good
I have a rog ally, I bought a 2tb one on ebay for less money than the oled steam deck. It is ok, I bought it for £476.
Rip nintendo!
@@MrWhis-fe5hsNah consoles suck
I think it's important to remember that most Switch players are not display enthusiasts, or tech snobs for the matter. Most people will see an 8-inch screen, get hyped, buy the next Switch, and play whatever brightly colored Nintendo game happens to looks decent on an LCD.
honestly, the v1 switch that i have has a screen i'm totally content with. if i want beautiful colors on a rich display i'm going to play at home. playing on the go is more about the fact that i need something to do while i'm waiting for a dentist appointment or something. i don't doubt that the switch oled would be a better thing to look at, but honestly it's such a low priority issue that i don't care. i already don't take the thing around with me much anyway, and i bought a vita because it was much smaller, so the 8 inch screen wouldn't certainly help it in that regard but i'm all for it if it means more power for games.
Exactly. I'm willing to bet that out of the 100+ whatever million of people that have bought a Switch, only like 1 or 2 percent care or know what OLED or LCD mean.
The most important aspects of a handheld to me are battery life and weight. I'm playing my Switch OLED handheld only and the graphics are like the lowest setting of PC games but I'm grateful because I the sleep mode feature on handhelds are the greatest invention gaming has ever had beside save states on emulators.
An 8-in screen on the standard device will allow Nintendo to not only capitalize on pretty powerful hardware and good battery life, but it really makes Nintendo's marketing of a Lite model MUCH more appealing.
I'm surprised Nintendo didn't try to make a Lite of a Lite version of the Switch. Like a properly portable version of it.
@@skycloud4802this comment gave me autism
@@skycloud4802what
@@anusmcgee4150 your already had it my friend.
@@skycloud4802 well I can see nintendo releasing it soon to go alongside the switch 2's lifecycle. like the ps3 super slim. then a few years mid cycle a switch 2 lite
We'll know for sure in the coming 3 months. We're almost there.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t see it till June/Summer with an early September release 3 months later
I cannot wait lol. New hardware reveals that aren’t just a boring standard box are so fun.
I remember in 2022 Nintendo's president said the console was in its mid life cycle. It'll be funny if Nintendo go another year without announcing new hardware
@@TheBadElf lol right, it would frustrate people so much but it would be kinda funny. All this speculation and literally nothing comes of it.
@@TheBadElfit can still get support when the next console launches
I also don't use the Joycons when docked as I prefer the pro controller. However, the vast majority of the Switch user base doesn't use their Switch like that. People buying this as a family type system tend to entirely rely on Joycons. So dumping them isn't very practical for the largest part of their consumer base, especially at the cost of a higher price tag to include a single pro controller, where they'll have to buy at least one more... if not three if they want to play something like Mario Party. Then again, perhaps they make bigger Joycons or they continue use the Joycon, but it just doesn't dock with the unit. If it is bigger, it's going to be interesting to see how they handle this without screwing it up.
Also, joycons are great because if one breaks, you can swap it out or get different aftermarket ones.
They wouldn’t do it I’m sure. Joycon are a killer feature
Pro controller has digital triggers no? Why not use sn30pro+? Has analog triggers . Works much better in some games
Yeah I don't either use joycons ever when docked, but I do use em in handheld and especially on the go gaming. And usually I prefer to use them detached from console. So I hope they do keep the Joycon, just update them maybe a bit bigger size and more comfortable design with magnetic sticks to solve drifting issues and I'm sold 👌😂
i will say that buying 3 sets of joycons is the same price as buying 3 pro controllers. the main difference would be the inability to use the individual joycons per player, for games like mario kart and mario party that only need what a joycon has. if we're being honest though, nobody actually enjoys using them like that... it's only good for small children. maybe if they made them bigger it would be nicer to hold.
I don't think they'll get rid of the joy con model, maybe they'll introduce a next gen joycon with a new size/specs, but I think having a portable multiplayer system is too much of a marketing point/unique feature to get rid of. Also not needing multiple controllers and whatnot.
The Switch logo and animation are all tied to the joy-cons, so dropping them will mean a whole new branding, so I could see a new name to better mate with the new concept.
They can just make the joycons look slightly different and give the switch 2 a unique logo for marketing
they won't drop the joycons
They won't drop them, John is wrong lol. It's their lightning in a bottle they aren't gonna let that go. Look at the Wii U. They aren't gonna make that mistake again of changing something that was working again.
@@watchmejumpstart24 funny how the Wii U did accept the previous gen wiimotes
@@the_pentah00k58 Yea besides my point though. It didn't come with any. It came with the pad and console only. Most people just thought it was a Wii add on not a new console lol
I have a regular Switch. It’s already awkward as a handheld outside of the house (feels too large for the bus). 8inch is fine for at home in bed but hardly feels like a proper portable device
Foldable ?
@@wrosebrockit's not gonna be foldable that would require an OLED screen and it would be extremely expensive
That's why they have switch lite in the lineup so you could use lite on a bus and oled at home etc.
@@tokyopinokyoyeah. And when the Switch 2 comes out your only option will be a huge device with a dumb 8 inch screen. You'll get a lite version years later.
The reason it's bulky is because of the joycons and the rails required for them. Without them the device could be thinner and lighter like a tablet.
It’s going to be “Super Nintendo Switch”
They're holding off on the oled so they can release a oled Switch2 as a "revision"
On the topic of joycons, I was thinking about this last night... Everyone keeps saying they want the Switch 2 to be backwards compatible with games (which I very much agree with), but I haven't seen anyone question or mention whether it will be backwards compatible with the Joycons, Pro controller, or other peripherals.
(Thinking about this has also convinced me that they won't call the Switch 2 the 'Switch Pro' because then they'd have to release a 'Switch Pro *Pro* Controller')
"It's Bigger Than You Think"
Giggety
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF😭
Title of your sex tape
Is that 7 inches of Switch in your pocket?
You spelled giggity wrong lol
@@leatherhidegaming n.no just the single joy-con 😭
There is no chance Nintendo abandons joycons. They are a huge money maker selling people additional colors and special editions. It also allowed them to skirt around a lot of the uproar over joycons failing as often as they do, as you can just replace them. If they’re tied to the device you have a much bigger problem on your hands.
Every time I see the PlayStation Portal I want one. I’ll never actually bother getting one in it’s current configuration, but the industrial design is spot-on
One thing the Switch2 doesen't need: A bigger screen.
The screen of the OG Switch is big enough, OLED is nice, but ... no need to go bigger.
I still want it to be a normal handheld, and the Switch is a pretty big handheld allready.
bigger screen means bigger console, right? maybe a bigger battery
I think the 7 inch OLED is perfect and I only play in handheld with aftermarket joycons. If they could keep the same body size but eek out an extra inch by reducing the bezels even more, it would be perfect. I would hate an even larger device like the playstation portal thing or a steam deck, those things are too large.
Agreed. Switch is just about right. Any larger is too large for me. I could even go slightly smaller. I loved my PSP.
@@DaveSimkus As nice as the size is. If the Switch 2 is gonna have PS4ish GPU horsepower than you kind of need a bigger size due to the cooling and battery needs alone. There is good reason every PS4 class handheld in recent years is around the size of a steam deck. Its simply because it's impractical to put that kind of power in a smaller form factor. Look at the thousand dollar iphones and ipads that need to render the RE4 Remake port at 300p internal while completely destroying the battery, and those M1 chips are some of the most efficient mobile chips on the market.
@@11cat123the ipad runs it at like 720p upscalled to 1080p. The m1 chip and the larger surface area (better cooling) makes a difference. Aldo the m1 ipad runs resident evil village a bit better than the steam deck at a slightly higher resolution according to digital foundry.
It could be better though, on an apple m1 pro(base m1) the performance is a lot better.
The screen size also has game design implications. For a lot of titles, Nintendo was kind of wrestling with having to support big-screen playing but also make sure things weren't too small on the Switch Lite. Fonts and UI needed to be bigger. "Hidden objects" needed to be more obvious, harsher colors, bigger animations and sparkles and glows. It made things a little uglier on a big screen, for the sake of readability.
For some games, they did favor the TV experience and the text ended up really small even on the regular Switch. With an 8-inch screen, I hope the differences won't be as drastic, and it'll give them more room to be more subtle with their design sense.
Anyway, a generation of kids grew up using iPads. They'll absolutely be ready for an 8-inch handheld.
For me personally, I hardly ever used my Switch in handheld mode because I felt the screen was too small for the types of games I played on it, and my hands always cramped up from how uncomfortably small the controllers are in my big-ish hands. So if the controllers are also a little bigger, I'd welcome it though I wouldn't mind if they still skewed smaller as long as we still get a big player base to incentivize devs to give it decent priority.
I don't know what John's smoking it will definitely have joycons lol they would never ditch that concept since it's been SO successful. They won't include a pro controller type controller because they want to sell you one of those extra... I think John's way off here.
Joycons will need hall sensors
@@mikeuk666agreed. but also they do seem to love trying to sell you more joycons with every popular game release
And the only reason for that prediction is that the device would be bigger to support the rumored 8 inch screen... It makes much more sense that it would come with re-designed Gen 2 joycons that fit the new system, and they would probably sell adapters for the old ones, or at least for them to work wirelessly.
I mean, Nintendo could absolutely do away with removeable controllers, but it would be really stupid of them. But the reasoning of "I never used them detached because I have a pro controller" assumes that's how the majority of people play, which there's no evidence for.
@@astrarobotica absolutely. I think Nintendo would be crazy to do away with the joycon system. They will have gen 2 joycons like you say.
I think it will just get bigger joy-cons, it doesn't make much sense to drop the concept of them. Bigger controllers could mean full sized buttons (hopefully with a proper d-pad this time), bigger batteries and maybe even adaptive triggers.
Hopefully if they make another Lite model it will still be able to dock this time.
Mable the give you a adapter for joycon and add handed for better grip.
8 inches is a perfectly good size. Above average
Nah, 6 inches is more than enough
@@william41017keep telling yourself that
@@scissortongue5772 how else would I carry it in my pocket
Bigger doesnt seem better after a certain point. Something the size of a Lite with OLED and display out would be great. Analogue Pocket is looking more attractive.
If you want an analogue pocket Nintendo is not trying to sell you a switch instead. They’re different categories of devices.
@@PumatSol Yeah true. For the money though, factoring the Pocket dock and cart adapters, MIDI/Sync cables, it's probably as much as getting a Switch 2 with basic accessories and a physical launch game will be so yeah like $500 either way.
That's if you have enough old cartridges to make it worth it in the first place.
500 gr was the limit, beyond that uncomfortable for long gaming season
I hope we get a console only edition. I rarely ever bring my switch with me anywhere
Maybe Nintendo will assume that everyone who buys a Switch 2 will already have a pair of Joy-Cons for games that use them detached just like they assumed everyone who bought a Wii U already owned Wii remotes
No , that was just an L take by John
Fyi, joy cons are the only way to play and the best way to party play. So much more fun, easily accessible for anyone. Unlike other console stuff, the best multiplayer experience is same room/side by side.
Every opinion that John states, is better to ignore it.
He always has shit or downright phobic opinions.
Honestly if this has built-in non-detatchable controls, I could see them putting it out without an included Pro Controller.
Basically a dockable Switch Lite, but without the Lite. Maybe even the dock is a separate purchase?
bs take. The whole SWITCH point IS the detachability
Yeah maybe add some extra joycon drift to enhance the experience.
It would be great if the dock could have some kind of IR sensors that could solve the joycon issues with house of the dead. The bar with with the wii and joycons do not work properly but Namco hit it perfectly with the Gcon 3 sensors.
I'm surprised by this discussion. LCD doesn't mean "bad screen". The new mini LED screens are almost as good (in some cases better, see Sony's new references tvs, than OLED).
They won't keep the joy-cons. They will have a new control design. Why would they keep something that's constantly failing and the need to warranty repair them etc?
It's one part of the Joy-Con that's failing, which is the sticks. All they need to do is put some shiny new Hall effect sticks in and then no more worries for them.
They won't do the because then they will be admitting legally that their current Joy-Cons is flawed. They will get a new patent for a new controller and use their new joy stick patent (magnetic fluid design) or something like that. @@ironicdivinemandatestan4262
The thought of non-removable joycon really makes me nervous... because the Joycons were terribly uncomfortable, and the thought of being stuck with them in hand held mode is a potential deal breaker.
Yeah that would be terrible and if a controller broke, you'd have to buy an entire new system. Joycons are great because you can swap them out and buy aftermarket ones.
Yeh i cant use switch in handheld mode with joycons, carpal tunnel after 3 minutes.
You mean you bought different ones from a third party???
No issues with the switch lite and fixed controls
There would not be issues regarding malfunction if Nintendo stopped being such cheap feckers and spent $0.01 more on hall sensor joysticks.
The PS Portal looks like someone took a kid's boomerang toy and glued a TV to it.
I personally hope it still has attachable joycon like controllers because they enabled you to do more than just detach them to play on your TV. A major selling point of the switch was playing multiplayer games on one switch with two joycons. I've witnessed many people playing their switch this way at parties and elsewhere. I feel that making the switch 2 an all in one handheld will really limit it's versatility.
Im not sure why they keep saying that Nintendo will remove the Joycons just because its gonna be a big device...
Just make the joycons bigger too lol, look at the Lenovo Legion Go.
There’s no reason the rails would need to be as large as the screen.
Even if it’s 8 inch, the old joy cons with the rails can still be seen.
@@Lock2002ful maybe same rails but definitely new internals with hall sensors to avoid drift
@@mikeuk666
One can only hope.
Although I have to say I’ve only had drift in my og joycons.
Everything I’ve bought in the last 3~4 years, no issues yet and I only play handheld with joycons.
All that aside. I’m very much exhausted of years of talking about the Switch Pro, the next Switch, especially these last weeks.
I just want it to be over. Everyone stop talking until Nintendo announced it.
And Nintendo’s silence is almost as deafening and irritating as Team Cherry ignoring that people would like to hear something about Silksong more than once a year.
I disagree with joycons being removed. If a controller broke, you could swap it out or get aftermarket ones to suit your needs. It also doesn't feel flimsy they way he said it does. Also, the OLED switch still has some bezel around the display, they could potentially keep almost the same size but increase the display by an inch.
I agree, joycons are the soul of the switch. these guys think the masses want something like the steam deck
theres also things like nitrodeck which feel great imo, gyro controls and vibration just the same as joycons.
The removable joy cons are genius. It’s what enables wii and motion controlled games to be played docked. Split joycons are the best way to play with gyro controls, and imo gyro is essential in console fps. And imo the huge variety of control options switch offers is part of why I think it’s a great machine.
Other nice things about the joycons are that they enable 2 player at any time with split joycons. Also, playing with them split in both hands is very comfortable.
Silly not to be OLED
Lmao why? Americans are so poor they cry when they have to pay anything more than $199 for a gaming console, imagine how they're gonna cry if the Switch 2 was $449 😂
OLED sucks (Burn-in ) LCD is much better
How else can they get people to buy two switches? They know exactly what they are doing.
@@vickybengaliIgnorant comment. Modern OLED screens don’t have this problem with normal regular use.
To burn in an OLED screen, requires a user to purposely go out of their way to damage their display, by forcing static images at maximum brightness for dozens if not hundreds of hours at a time.
The average OLED screen user doesn’t do that to their devices. 🤦🏻♂️
silly willy
There is clearly room for very improved 2.0 bigger Joy Cons imo
8". "It's bigger than you think." That's what she said.😻
I would have loved an HDR handheld if for no other reason than to show people how good HDR is. I still hear from so many people who have never seen good HDR and think HDR is terrible. Once you have seen HDR on an OLED or good LCD you just can't go back.
The steam deck OLED is hdr
I wonder if they just make the dock (maybe it's a 4K dock now?) and external controls an add-on, and have it be compatible with the old dock and controllers. There's 100 million+ of the things out there and those first-year purchases are probably going to be dominated by existing users upgrading. Like the 3DS and the charger. Keeps the BOM down a bit, helps them hit $400 with a decently fast device, also makes the box smaller which counts for a fair bit when you're shipping millions of them. A bigger screen does a good job of conveying "this is a newer, significantly better thing" to existing owners, and we've all got docks and controllers.
It's definitely gonna need to be a new dock with the device since the only dock can only output 1080p60 max they're gonna include one that has HDMI 2.1 like the other systems which can output 4k120 with vrr support im not saying any game with run at that but at the very least it can output that for basic things like the menu and RUclips
@@The_MEMEphisYou're thinking of the original Switch dock, which has HDMI 1.4b. The OLED dock has HDMI 2.0, which can do up to 4K 60 fps with 10-bit HDR and full chroma.
@@ironicdivinemandatestan4262 either way the port on the switch itself could only take advantage of HDMI 1.4 standard regardless of the dock
@@The_MEMEphis So just update the Switch 2 to use the full HDMI 2.0 spec. No need for a new dock.
@@ironicdivinemandatestan4262 the new switch is gonna be a completely different size with an 8 inch screen its not gonna fit in the old dock plus they're gonna have to include a dock anyway because not every is gonna have the original switch plus people might wanna sell their original switch a new dock is gonna be necessary also it needs HDMI 2.1 not 2.0 there is a big difference 2.1 can support 120hrz
A non detachable controller would make me think about buying a steam deck instead. That’s pretty much the only reason haven’t bought the steam deck. I love the having the ability to play handheld then docking and playing with detachable controller without having to bring extra controllers to play docked. Plus it’s nice having the ability to replace controllers, if one breaks. If Switch 2 has non detachable controllers, if something breaks on the controller, you have to open the whole console.
Just make bigger joy-cons.
I never expected a Switch 2 to have used the same joy-cons as the Switch(otherwise it would look no different to Switch 1 in pics)...or even for them to attach in exactly the same way. If the handheld aspect did have the controls built-in., I wouldn't be shocked to see them bundle an evolution of the Wiimote/nunchuk rather than a pro controller..or something like VR controllers..where you have one in each hand (or 1 per person for two player).
Maybe a clam shell style console, but somehow it will dock for TV use? *Maybe the top half will snap off like the Windows Surface for docking? 🤔
Just putting that out there 🔮
Clamshell would be awesome. The 3DS was perfectly portable because you could shut it closed and put it in your pocket without damaging the screen or buttons. The Switch really isn't that portable, you have to carry a case with it.
I think here's a rare case of John being mistaken.
The joycons are an incredible value proposition for the average consumer.
You get the handheld, a normal controller with the grip, and two Wiimote-like controllers with the straps.
There's three ways to play in one package.
I agree they might completely redesign them for a better execution, but I think the modular, versatile approach is a must for the mass market appeal the Switch has.
Every opinion that John states, is better to ignore it.
He always has shit or downright phobic opinions.
Power draw and die size should either match or slightly exceed the current 100mm^2 15w soc. I really hope they don't go with samsung 8nm.
doughtful, 4nm or 6nm makes more sense, I don't know where he's getting 8nm from.
im more concerned with what NEW feature the new console will have. its been a while nintendo would just release a next gen console with only being a beefed up of the previous console without a new feature/gimmick.
Would be wild if Nintendo released a 3D holographic projector box for the living room.
Would it be possible for it to look like the PS Portal only you can pull the controllers off and re-connect them sans-plastjc shell?
What's really nifty is as soon Switch 2 launches, people will start speculating about Switch 3.
I hate that you’re right.
The dumbest thing was people thinking we’d get Switch 2 in like 2021… when have we ever had a 3 or 4 year Nintendo console lifespan!? And with the success of the Switch!? Why would the just cut it short!!? 😡 Even the Wii U, Nintendo’s worst main console flop, had a 4 and a half year life. 😤
8 inch is the perfect size.
That's what she said.
I've always said that Nintendo will make Switch 2 as big as a Steamdeck and Nintendo fans will instantly shove that "bulky Steamdeck" argument right where it came out )))
Nah, 8 inches is too big. I refuse to accept it.
@@Sly2Cooperit'll still probably be thinner and lighter weight is the biggest concern
@@The_MEMEphis lighter weight means less battery. thinner means less ergonomic, and inconvinient to hold, and worse heat spread.
Regardless, Nintendo fans will eat anything even if it will be bigger AND heavier.
I don't care anymore about Switch 2 specs. JUST RELEASE IT ALREADY !!! I WILL BUYING IT'S DAY 1 !!! ❤❤❤
Where does this "no joycon" idea come from.
Joycons allow for the most relaxed gaming positions. Allow to share the experience anywhere... The only issue is drift.
The discussion around the joy cons felt a bit disconnected from the reality to me... I've seen non gamer friends and family who all have a Switch for their kids, and they all use Joy Cons as their primary or even sole controller. Kids shares joy cons, they have preferences for some colours, etc. I feel It would be a mistake for Nintendo to get away from them. Also, Nintendo is still releasing new Joy Cons every few months (like the upcoming pink one for Peach), which tells me there is a market for it. Also the whole marketing around the Switch and its logo is based on the Joy Cons, would be weird to get away from them for a new console which will probably aim to have a smooth transition.
Dude they aren’t getting rid of joy-cons it wouldn’t be a switch anymore wtf you smoking. The legion go has good removal controllers and is an 8 inch device.
Okay now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo goes with a completely different name for their next system unrelated to Switch in order to help minimize consumer confusion. I wouldn't be surprised if the Switch successor uses its own set of proprietary joy cons.
I really think they are going to keep the removable controllers, but make them more 'pro' controller like. It would increase the base cost of the machine quite a bit if they had to include a pro controller with the console to allow users to play it connected to a TV. It is possible that they sell the dock separately and sell it as a handheld primarily, but I'm thinking that's less likely.
I play primarily in console mode anyway, so the screen makes little difference to me. If the LCD is much better than the OG Switch, that should be enough for most people. It's mostly those who got OLED Switches that will be disappointed.
As far as joycons go, I don't think the idea of the joycons is bad, and I also don't see them going away outright. Really they just need to improve quality and connectivity.
Im very excited for switch 2. I just want a more powerful switch. I keep mine docked 99 percent of the time but still love that if the power gets cut my switch keeps going. Really really hope its backward compatible and I actually see switch 2 having an LCD screen as a good thing because it means the money they save there might mean a bit more raw power inside. If they add in OLED then they need to cut elsewhere to keep the cost down.
i don't know, I'd rather have a smaller screen. The original switch is already too big to easily carry around
Joycons make my life easier, I could take my Switch to a friends house and be ready to play multiplayer with out bringing more controllers, but for more demanding games a pair of extra joycons are a must or a procontroller. I think Nintendo should keep the joycons concept and expand on them making them more ergo and overall better.
For the love of all things nintendo, I hope they make bigger joy sticks
It's pretty anecdotal to predict the next console won't have removable controllers based on personal use. I've had a Switch since launch and have never owned a pro controller. I'm probably 50/50 between handheld and docked, and I just put the controllers in the grip when it's docked. I also play local multiplayer with my friends regularly; I just bring my Switch and pair my joycons to their console. I know plenty of people who play their Switch exclusively in handheld mode, it's like if they predicted the next console wouldn't be dockable with a TV just because they never used it.
It would be foolish of them to toss out that concept. If the screen is 8 inches, the simplest explanation is that the new console will have new joycons, and old ones might be attachable with an adapter. But predicting they'll get rid of removable controllers just because the system with be a bit bigger is a bit of a stretch as of now.
I'd be curious to see if the Switch 2 it will be able to use any sort of local dimming along with more modern LCD backlight technologies like QLED, Mini LED or even Micro LED? I feel with those technologies you can at least still get a pretty good picure on LCD screens, but otherwise going back to an LCD is going to be a very noticeable downgrade from the Switch OLED.
With so a big screen size, Switch 2 will be much closer to Wii U (which, I remind, was a failure) than to the more portable Switch 1. Playing at home on so big screen will be ok, but going with this outside becomes an uncofortable problem. In my personal opinion 6-7" would be a better solution.
7 inch screen of the Switch OLED is a big enough screen size.
It's just unfounded rumours guesses at a 8 inch screen for the Switch sucessor!
Main market Japan adults have smaller hands than western countries. Plus also young kids will be a big market for the Switch sucessor.
The LCD Display on the Portal and also the Asus Rog Ally are very good. Yes I’d love OLED and I’m sure we’ll see it further down the line, but LCD is still pretty good.
Removing the joycons feature would be a terrible idea because if your brand new switch2 has drift you have to replace or repair the whole console, nobody wants that. Just make them better and more reliable. The joycons may seem useless for hardcore gamers but giving us the choice to use the controllers we want even in portable mode is amazing and a feature too. You are not forced to use on board controllers if you dont like em and that has been a major selling point for third party accesories too.
An approximately 8'' display could fit the current Switch chassis, if there's next to no bevel, which is of course unlikely. But it's technically possible ~
It's must 8" or 10.5" at least 1080p so we can read and see tiny details in some RPGs nothing smaller. Our time is precious, we can't waste it with half products and nothing than best next gen visuals and animations games
10.5??? that's a freaking laptop
the joy con is a must. casuals love that gimick and is useful
Regarding OLED being 30% more in terms of cost, please remember that when you're selling 130m+ units just $1 per unit is literally hundred of millions. An OLED as standard would cost them over a billion.
I can see why they'd want to put their money elsewhere. Conversely an upgraded unit selling at a premium is a great way to drive the price back up and boost margins.
Why you as a consumer should look for an excuse to a company to sell you an inferior device?
I think as a consumer you should demand the best quality for your money. You buy the product for yourself and not to please the company, right?
@@Sly2Cooper Nothing is free in this world. Ultimately Nintendo is not a charity, and so they will either charge you for the privilege or take the money some place else. One must choose.
For the most part OLED doesn't matter so much on the switch because:
1. A lot of people keep it in docked mode basically all the time
2. When they don't have the switch docked, you are probably out and about where the contrast of OLED doesn't matter and having more brightness like an LCD can give you is more useful.
@@theonik2006 as a consumer I chose a Steamdeck OLED.
And Valve is much more consumer friendly company.
@@Sly2Coopera steam deck oled is like 549 dollars. More expensive than a ps5. Most people aren't spending that much cash on a handheld especially one wich has less storage than a ps5 and less performance than a ps4 at 1080p.
@@oo--7714 You buy a gaming handheld ONCE in five years. And then it's about GAMES prices. The price of a machine itself is absolutely IRRELEVANT compared with how much you will spend on games. And comparing constant Steam sales with how much Nintendo rips for its games Steamdeck is much more cheaper than owning a Switch. Steamdeck has an INSTANT access to almost ANY PC/console game imaginable for the past three or four decades for a fracture of price and NO NEED to waste years and years for a vague chance of a port. It's a GAMING machine, so it's about GAMES and not the price of a unit you buy ONCE.
Why do I need a Switch 2 with NO games or Switch with very limited library as a GAMER? Why do I have to waste years and years for a vague chance of an overpriced port (SIX years for a Batman port? seriously?)
I hate the fact of on board controls wtf
The most pause worthy title lmao
How Rich can say "in the here and now" without anybody cracking a smile astounds me at this point :)
I like the modular controllers because I can easily replace a joy con without replacing the whole system. I abuse analog sticks whenever I play.
I know a 2024 lcd can look better than a 2017 one aside from raw res, but since the oled genie has gotten out, you can't put it back in, and thus if the lcd pans out, I bet customers/early adopters might hold out till an oled pro model comes out....
Trying to decide between steam deck oled and waiting for the switch 2. LCD switch would put me off.
I see Joycon staying. The dual motion controllers can allow for interesting control schemes. They will double down on that. I could see them wanting full motion tracking. That way, they can bring back pointer controls.
John - I think joycons are great for people with small hands and kids. It would actually probably turn people off to all of a sudden have a bigger joysticks out of the blue. But maybe you’re right. I would prefer Nintendo keep the joycons and put a split pad pro thing also in the box. That would be very consumer friendly. I love the Split Pad Pro. Makes Switch handheld gaming super fun.
Joycons will remain for the Switch sucessor. But will be ergonomically better as will the joycons comfort grip.
My kingdom for a switch two version that doesnt have a screen and is more compact because I've never undocked my switch to play it mobile since it originally launched
Legion Go has 8" LCD with detachable joycons.
Maybe they release two models: A regular one and one XL
Yes! A handheld CRT Retro Switch! Great idea!
Have not touched my Switch since getting a Steam Deck Oled.
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That’s not how glasses are supposed to sit on your face.
"I think, in practice, people weren't switching between them that often..."
Oh how wrong you are lmao. People use the detachable nature ALL THE TIME with the switch.
As long as they release a pocketable Switch 2 Lite down the road then I'm not that fussed how big the main unit is
Interesting thought that I have is that maybe Switch 2 will have 21:9 screen. This will allow Nintendo to use same JoyCons, because the height of the 21:9 8 inch screen is just 0.7 cm more than height of 16:9 7 inch screen. Also this will provide novel portable handheld experiences.
The Switch sucessor will have redesigned joycons. The current Switch joycons won't be compatible with the Switch sucessor 👍🏾
While I would love a 64:27 (which is the actual aspect ratio) screen, it just doesn't make any sense. A Switch also has to work on a TV, and 95% of people who have a TV have one in standard 16:9. Having it be any wider is completely out of the question.
Where are you getting 8nm from? The switch used 20nm x1 because it was given at a massive discount but with this new custom chip TSMC 6nm or 4nm both make complete sense here.
They need to simply make it backward compatible and HEAVILY emphasize that it can play switch games native.
I think it will be similar to the Switch Light to save money on the controllers and will be compatible with existing Joycons and Pro Controller
... an 8in LCD would "look right" with existing joycons if the aspect ratio is 21:9 instead of 16:9... (ends up roughly the same height as the og 6.2in screens)... if it is LCD though, hoping the 120Hz rumour is true...
Considering that it also has to work with a TV, it has to be in 16:9.
kids have no issue with ipad sizes. they love them. so not really an issue. ive never really been team red for nintendo but with ps and xbox being lackluster this is looking promising. im getting excited for it
Re: the Joy-Cons, I do think they'll return, albeit at a new size in line with the new console, with a true D-pad - if it's the Switch 2, these will be Joy-Cons 2.0. I think they'll sell an adapter case set separately to allow you to connect old Joy-Cons to the Switch 2 if you so wish.
I agree except for the adapter part.
The IPS screen of the PS Portal with 90 or 120hz would look nice
It's gonna just be 60
Rumours are Switch 4 will have a 32 inch screen.
I think we'll hear about it before the end of march and launch just in time for black friday
I wish DF would remember that while technically impressive features such as OLED are nice they also increase the cost and most people don't want to have to pay money for all these components they don't actually need. If people want an OLED then wait for them to release that rather than criticising Nintendo for doing the right thing. Personally I only use the Switch in docked mode so there's a lot of wasted components that I'm paying for that I don't really need.
Yeah OLED looks nice but I'm totally fine with my launch model, and I do use it in handheld all the time.
It's not the right thing omitting the option of an oled model alongside a cheaper lcd model and only offer lcd for a while even possibly a few years after Switch 2, while people have seen Nintendo CAN make Oled handhelds as we've seen with Switch 1.
Hopefully people will realize the Switch 2 is a new console and not be confused and ignore it like the Wii U.
They should have an OLED and LCD model at launch.
Glad to see Oliver has finally escaped the purple GameCube hell he was trapped in. Congrats Ollie!
New Joy-Con would be needed for inside-out tracking of them.