Coffee Drinkers Going to Hell? || I’d Like to Know
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2.) "1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis 1:1-2 KJV
I'd like to know when and why the earth was without form and void, was it after creation or before and, and where did the waters come from in verse 2, was it from creation by God?"
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4.) "I have a question can people make it in the final judgment, while they are still drinking coffee and struggling to overcome coffee. At that moment if we have not overcome it will that sin keep us from entering. Please help me with this question I am struggling with this.
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Gluttony is a sin, and can be anything from chocolate to steak dinners. Too much is just too much.
There is a video called a lamp in the dark. It gives you the history on all Bibles and how they came to be. Very interesting!!
Pr Walter Vieth has a good lecture on the Bible in his onslaught series.
Notice they didn't say that it was a sin. The Bible says to be self controlled. You can enjoy tea or coffee in moderation. I drink half caffeine or decaf. I'm not addicted. I enjoy the taste. 3 cups a week but remember to drink more water than anything. Peace
Dandelion root tea gives a coffee like taste
Luther called James 'the epistle of straw"
and put down his Drs cap and said he would give it to anyone who could reconcile James.
One day he came in and picked his cap up because he had reconciled James with Paul and understood that the works James speaks of are not of our own but of the Holy Spirit working through us.
When Luther translated the OT and was translating Daniel, Revelation made sense to him and that's when he understood the papacy as Antichrist/ Little horn.
I finally gave up coffee a month ago after a long addiction. It was harder than sugar. It was the last thing I held on to....but now I am free...for me this was a spiritual victory...I am so jazzed about this, and I know the Lord knows I took ground back...
Actually God has given coffee free to you...bless it before you sip a cup!
@@sulongenjop7436 actually God has given, free to you, dog poop...bless it before you eat it...
@@sulongenjop7436 To what extent does that thinking work? How many things can a sinful person “bless” before they indulge in it and expect that it’s okay to enjoy?
@Lisa Quinn Congratulations on getting the victory over coffee drinking! I know it is a difficult thing and I know all about it. I used to be addicted to alcohol, and nicotine. It was a difficult journey but God delivered me from both those things. I also drank a ton of caffeine too. After I gave up nicotine, I'm sure I doubled down on the caffeine to replace it. And then when I gave up alcohol, I think I tripled or quadrupled down on the caffeine as I new way to get my fix. Caffeine in whatever form, be it coffee, tea, soda, energy drinks, is a drug as real as the more obvious ones. It amazes me that people don't see it. It also amazes me that caffeine is so readily available. Even a 4 year old can purchase a drink with it in it with no restrictions. The devil has everyone right where he wants them with that one. It is a very difficult habit to break for sure. God also delivered me from that one as well. All glory be to God for giving both of us the victory! God is good.
@@sulongenjop7436 There are lots of things that God has made that people abuse and use in ways that God never intended. Just because God made wheat and corn, doesn't mean that He intended for us to ferment it to get drunk, and that we can bless beer and whiskey. God made plants that can be used to numb pain after an injury, or to perform a surgery and are a blessing when used for that purpose. But when someone starts using them to simply get a buzz or get high, this is an abuse and becomes sinful. Coffee may have been created by God for medicinal uses, but I am certain He never intended it to be used recreationally. Or He may have never created it to begin with. Even people are capable of altering plants and changing their properties by crossbreeding, genetic modification, and other methods. It may be that Satan was involved in the bringing about of the coffee plant and others that contain caffeine. I don't know. But just because something seems to have occurred naturally in our sinful world, doesn't mean that God has blessed its use for whatever we desire. I hope you will prayerfully consider this my friend. God bless!
When I got baptized over a year ago I toss this caffeine addiction right that day of my baptism and God removed that from me on day one Praise God I haven’t been tempted ever since. It affect out spiritual life so I pray you all quite this drug. Replace for healthy warm drink naturally 🙏🏻 4:26
I quit drinking coffee on December 28-22. Still have a tea once in awhile. But that will soon go as well.
Loved a few points made will be using.
"Tea and coffee drinking is a sin, an injurious indulgence, which, like other evils, injures the soul. These darling idols create an excitement, a morbid action of the nervous system" Manuscript 44, 1896
"This experience every one who is saved must have. In the day of judgment, the course of the man who has retained the frailty and imperfection of humanity will not be vindicated. For him there will be no place in heaven. He could not enjoy the perfection of the saints in light. He who has not sufficient faith in Christ to believe that He can keep him from sinning, has not the faith that will give him an entrance into the kingdom of God." Manuscript 161, 1897.
God WILL give you the victory over ANY sin if you exercise faith. In the judgement time, we MUST gain the victory over every sin or lose our salvation. Anyone who says differently is a liar and has no hope.
What is evil about coffee or tea?.... it's not a drug....
@@roberthopsonsr.2822 Are you an Adventist? Do you understand the Sanctuary message? Do you believe in the Spirit of Prophesy? Do you believe in the Bible when it says that eating unclean meat is a sin? Can you tell why eating unclean meat is a sin? Plenty of people eat lots of pork and seem fine and healthy. Some people even smoke and live a long life. First, you have to accept that God says it's a sin. Then you have to humbly seek to understand why. From what I understand, caffeine robs the body of it's energy reserves to give you a seeming boost of energy. If you keep stealing from those energy reserves, like with money printing and inflation... eventually you will go bankrupt. And you will pay a price with your health. It's like killing yourself slowly and murder is a sin. Either way, God says it's a sin and it injures your soul. Humbly trust God and remove the evil. And when she said tea... she was referring to black teas that contain caffeine... not herbal teas which are fine.
Bible verses please to support your view? EGW is a non-Biblical source.
@@roberthopsonsr.2822 caffeine is a drug
@mauricethomas7090
See if Romans 6:12 -13 helps
I used to love coffee but on a day that i forgot to drink it I got a coffee head ache so I made sure to drink it every day to avoid the headache. In that way it took away my free will . I was a slave to the coffee. You cant serve 2 masters.
Greetings and Salutations , This is a very Educating towards Christians as me that is under Construction thanks for your Program
Coffee at 22:25
Absurd question: "Coffee drinkers going to hell?" WINE is worse than that of coffee. There will be many in haven who drank wine. Then why not the coffee drinkers? Many will be there in heaven, even who ate swine, then turned away. Many will be there in heaven, who were prostitutes, then turned away. IS COFFEE DRINKING IS SIN? If so, why not mentioned in the Bible? If you break one of the 10 commandments, you are in doubt to be in heaven.
Everything in this world can be addictive, we are prone to it remember we are fallen men living in a fallen world, now there are good and bad things, this we know as from the garden when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge now knowing good from evil, but we who are in Christ are to discern these things, yes there are things that we ought not do according to the word of God, and we need to
keep ourselves from it, and there are things that are good but can lead to something bad if we let it take control of us, remember we are to have temperance, which is self-control, when we practise self-control it is the Holy Spirit that reminds us to be moderate, but when we don't practise controlling our selves that can lead us to sin, over indulging, I myself struggle with my weight, so does that mean I should not eat, no I control my eating, this is the Holly Spirit working in me and in you, of course as Jesus said;
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Now Jesus was saying these things to his disciples, and when you are born again through baptism you too are his deciple, receiving the Holy Spirit where the Lord will speak to us through him.
So can we sin, yes, we all fall short of the glory of God, but to wilfully sin is another matter in itself, but to say you will go to hell for drinking coffee is wrong, you as leaders of the church should encourage self-control, temperance, and not condemning anyone of such miniscule matters, what you should be doing is preparing the body of Christ for the coming persecution of the church, edifying the believers, the building up of the body of Christ, that we may be presentable and without blemishes acceptable unto the Lord, not the tearing down of the walls where we are firmly fit together, the church, the bride of Christ.
May the Grace of God be upon all who are faithful to his Son our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.
My question is this what is man that thou art mindful of him or who is man to say who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?sinners and publicans will enter heaven before a lot of self-righteous people
I see too much hypocrisy within the SDA church. Note that I’m SDA in good standing in my church. For example, at church lunches, they forbid meat of any kind, yet everyone overindulges in desserts. That’s more harmful than the meat. I’ve watched numerous videos on how many vegans have suffered health problems and going full carnivore has fixed them up.
I don’t disagree. Lots of carbs as well. I wouldn’t call it hypocrisy but it is not consistent.
God told peter do not call something unclean that I have prepared and sat pork before him. If God made it and I'm not addicted I don't see an issue
Keep reading through. Many have been told everything is clean from those scriptures, but if you read on the vision was about MEN being clean or unclean. 1Timothy 4:4 and colossians are also used, but the Word doesn't contradict Himself, but men will to conform sin into our lives so we dont have to give it up.
Pray for discernment.
I used to think ppl went right to heaven, that everyone goes to heaven when they die, as that's what you always hear.... used to believe sunday was the day of worship since I was raised that way... but when I surrendered all my life to Jesus HE is showing me ALL truth of His Word.
John 17:17.
Research seek knock find.
God’s not referring to food.. He is referring to preaching to the gentiles. Since the jews rejected the gospel they lost the opportunity to be Gods special people. When Peter sees this vision it meant that it was time for the gospel to then go out to the gentiles.
Im going to hell for coffee ill burn in the lake of fire unless i repent
There is nothing wrong with having a cup of coffee or tea. If you like it and you don't drink too much there is no problem. If there was a problem the holy spirit within us would have us made aware of it a long time ago. But He hasn't. The same with eating good meat.... 12“Everything is permissible for me,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me,” but I will not be mastered by anything.1 Corinthians 6:12. There are personal diffrences and choices. But the legalism of Adventism has gone over the top with it, as they do with many other things as well.
@@sda4ever I know what legalism is because I experienced it. It consists of a wrong emphasis coupled with falsehood. It robs you your freedom in Christ on disputable matters. It sears your conscience.
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@@sda4ever Each time I have to visit SDA relatives in England then I am on a not declared fast. Only vegetables, potatoes and some undefined nut roast (for meat substitude) all the time. On Saturday it goes without saying appear at nine o'clock at church (nobody asked me whether I usually do that or not) and come back after sabbath school lesson and prolonged service after one o'clock. Then the usual Adventist meal. Because it doesn't taste they use a ton of salt on top. Half an hour of rest then the obligatory sabbath afternoon walk. One and a half hour at least. Supper as unappealing as you could get. SDA bread spread. No tea but all kinds of fruit drinks full of sugar. No tv but old fashioned Adventist hyms and the great controversy. The bible was only lying there. One week of this and I needed 2 weeks to recuberate. No one has ever asked me whether I wanted to do that or not it is just expected from everybody without asking. I know it is not everywhere like that but the general trend goes that way. I call that legalism (of a wrong kind).
I have recently learned that for fornication has much to do with eating and overeating, which leads to idolatry. With this being said even good things can be an idol (see Hebrews 12:16, Genesis 25:24). Meat in the Bible was referred to as herb bearing seed; so we see that, once a person is convicted of diet reform than it’s all in obedience to temperance in timely eating and amounts, etc. the ruin of Sodom was in fornication which is also in diet.
I am really at a loss, I am so wonderfully blessed and happy to have been lead to the obvious truths in Daniel and Revelations that deal with things I always questioned, by SDA Biblical teachings...but in the same sense SDA raised some very concerning issues around their idea what is sin and what is not....tea is a sin because why?..... And all the while SDA hospitals preform abortions??? They celebrate christmas a pagan sun worship holiday???? I am so confused as to why coffee or tea or eating fish, or beef , or lamb???? But you teach that if you don't adhere to our way of thinking God will not accept them....😢😢😢😢
I'm an SDA. We believe that drinking tea or coffee is sinful because of the caffeine and what it does to the mind. Caffeine excites the mind. It has a mildly intoxicating effect on the brain. People get all hyper and do and say things they might not normally do. This gives Satan an advantage in trying to get you to give in to his temptations. Also it is bad for your health and your body is the temple of God. Caffeine raises blood pressure and lowers the amount of blood to the brain by over 25%. Not good for spiritual life. There are extenuating circumstances. Say you are on a long road trip and are about to fall asleep from the long hours of driving. I don't think that would be a sin to drink some caffeine to stay awake and not kill yourself and your family. The motivation matters. Drinking caffeine just to get a buzz on the otherhand would be sinful. And drinking caffeine daily to make up for the fact that you abuse your body by staying up half the night every night and not getting enough sleep would also be sinful. God wants us to learn to develop healthy habits and take care of our bodies.
I don't think that all SDA hospitals perform abortions. But whichever ones do, that is absolutely wrong and sinful. The SDA church does not condone abortion. The problem with these hospitals is that they have become all about making money and have hired officers and other employees that are not SDA or other Christian denominations. These people end up making worldly decisions for the direction that the hospital goes and have brought in things like abortion. Quite sad really. Again, officially the SDA Christian denomination does not believe in abortion. But there are bad apples everywhere.
Yes, Christmas has pagan roots. We shouldn't participate in the pagan parts like Santa Claus and mistletoe etc. But we don't believe that there is a problem with celebrating Jesus's birth and using the holiday to tell others about Jesus. I get that everyone has different opinions about Christmas.
We believe that eating the unclean meats like pork or shrimp is still a sin. But we don't believe that eating clean meats like beef or chicken is a sin. I do think we are still supposed to avoid the blood and the fat, but that's up for debate I suppose. We definitely don't believe that eating dairy or eggs is a sin. We do however believe that eating a vegan, plant-based diet is the healthiest and safest diet to eat in our day. So we do teach health reform. Like I said, our body is the temple of God and we should treat it as such. God bless!
What SDAs believe and what SDA hospitals do are two different things. Just because the hospitals and those that run them are driving to receive judgment doesn’t mean that all in the faith believe the same. I’ve not found one Christian who believes and practices the same as another. No such thing exists.
@@dr.johnwatson2503 but your faith is based in the writing of a woman who flipped her perspective on food and support of holidays....a "Prophet". If indeed she was. I believe that is why the SDA "faith" is connected to these hospitals, what does light have to do with the darkness......Romans 2 is very specific about how those judging others will be part of the reason God's name will be blasphemed...... I think that telling people that they are going to hell because of coffee and tea or meat, is not for any one to say...
Which SDA hospitals perform abortions?
@@baj41 which ones don't
Happy Sabbath
I would like to mention that coffee is not the main issue. Salvation is most important. Once you accept the Salvation issue then you begin to struggle with all distractions to overcome. Pick up your cross daily
When God made the heavens and the earth, it can also mean He made dry land and our atmosphere. Before day one, the Spirit of God hovered over the waters. To me, this means a water planet was already here. The planet was at the perfect distance from a source of heat, neither boiling, nor ice. In Jeremiah 4:23 it talks about the condition of the earth during the 1000 years when no people are here. It says the earth was void and without form. All this means is the earth is in a state of chaos and vacancy. See Hebrew interlinear.
Coffee drinking will not take to hell. Instead making coffee in the Sabbath (one of the 10 commandments), will take you to hell. Lighting a fire in the Sabbath is prohibited in the Bible, no atter it a wood-fire, gas-fire, or a electric-fire; a fire is fire that heats and burn, which God prohibited to make on the Sabbath day.
So what do we do for food and warmth on the sabbath? Everything must be ate cold and be cold?
@@fawncreek Jesus said doing something for food on Sabbath is not a sin. There is a difference cooking and serving. On Sabbath you can't light fire to prepare food large scale with lengthy time.
All you can do, you can cook food on the preparation day, that is Friday as Jews do, light minor fire for limited time to heat the prepared food.
This is exactly like Jesus said, pray your flight may not be on Sabbath. Taking journey on Sabbath with burden to long distance is not permitted. BUT, taking short journey to worship place, as Jesus Himself did ("as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read" - Luke 4:16.).
Therefore, lighting a fire to heat the ready prepared food in a cold region and in cold season for a short time, just to eat is not a sin. Because you are not doing any SURVILE WORK (with blood and sweat).
Does God wanna punish you for drinking coffee or beer?
It's not about coffee and beer, it's about worship...choose you this day whom ye will serve...as for me and my house we will serve the Lord...
I saw that the stewards of God have no duty in the case of those who will persist in using tobacco, coffee, and tea. Some of the poor are apt to place all the straight testimony upon the shoulders of the men of property, but there is something for them to do, a work that they must engage in. They must deny appetite. Here they can make a sacrifice. God calls upon them to do it. And after they leave off these hurtful things, if they get into straitened circumstances while exerting themselves to do the best they can, it will be a privilege for their able brethren to help them out of difficulty. 1LtMs, Ms 4, 1860, par. 27
We have to remember that Sis White was writing to people who were over indulging in everything. They didn't understand what the effects would be in over indulgence in coffee, tea, meat, eggs,cheese, etc until they were really sick. Sis White gave stern counsel because she had to for the sake of the people's health. They didn't have the knowledge we are privy to having now about diet. She was really saying that the way they were over indulging was a sin that was leading them to all kinds of sickness. A person who drinks coffee, tea, eats meat, eggs, cheese, etc. In moderation is not sinning. We are to have a balanced diet that leans towards fruits, vegetables, and grains. Hope all who read this consider what I'm saying. God bless and fight to live a sanctified life❤️🙏🏾
You haven't read all of Mrs. White's writings, apparently.
@@treefellonya I've read enough about this topic. Adventist want to be the spiritual police and sometimes they become the Pharisees. Self control or temperance is the counsel in lawful things. Chips,cookies, cakes, crackers, ice cream, white bread, etc. are all considered unhealthy to some Adventist. While they gorge on veggie meat, which is nothing but processed sodium filled junk. I eat it also, but in moderation. My friend has low testosterone because of TOO MUCH soy. He also had to have his gall bladder removed. He's been vegetarian for 11 years and vegan for 2. He's 45. Let each be fully persuaded in their own minds. We have to understand the context of her writings based on the times she was living in. She is not Jesus. Her writings keep us from indulging in all things. Peace
I lean toward believing what you said about all in moderation. The danger here though is not staying within a good moderation range. I’ve studied what she wrote about eating black pepper. All of her warnings were to people who were overindulging in it. If you are taking turmeric, then a small amount of black pepper is necessary to help you utilize this herbal remedy. I take turmeric, curcumin, for arthritis in my hands. I also drink a small pot of coffee, about 3 measuring cups worth, I’ve quit for about 3 months, and suffered no withdrawal symptoms, but went back because I enjoy drinking a bit when I wake up. I haven’t been drinking tea much, but I do drink kombucha made from tea. My coffee is organic beans from Sam’s Club. I’d buy organic decaffeinated, if I could find it. I think the organic with caffeine is safer than decaffeinated non-organic because of all the chemicals used. Non-organic coffee is highly sprayed with chemicals. The unclean meats is definitely a no-no, but I eat some items with gelatin like jello and gummy bears sometimes but not a lot. Some would see this as a bad thing.
I don't know much of white, but I do believe exactly what you are saying,
@@treefellonya which is why I don't base my faith in her writings. She according to an SDA changed her views and became extreme...man made laws ...
Do you really think God is going to be so picky about our salvation that he will keep us out because we ate chicken, or drank a cup of coffee or chocolate the day before? The way i read the bible, He told us healthy living, but didnt say it was a salvation issue......Jesus says, keep His commandments and believe in Him, you shall be saved......
The issue is obedience or disobedience. God will not allow anything into heaven to live forever who is not 100 percent dedicated to Him. What other requirements might He have that we refuse to keep?
Because God is our Creator, he knows what is best for us. 1 Corinthians 3:16,17 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." God's ideal diet for us was and is still the food from the Garden of Eden, aka plant based. There is no need to eat meat, when there are healthier options. Caffeine is a drug which has a negative effect on the brain, and nervous system. We need to honor God, by treating our bodies in a way that is pleasing to him, because we love him.
@@Emily-mq4bm did Jesus eat the Passover lamb?
@@Emily-mq4bm man is deciding what is healthy, and making demands based on their understanding, God gave man meat to eat so you are saying God changes?
I think the Seventh day Adventist church is not unlike the catholic church with regard to certain doctrine, and I know God is unchanging and he gave man meat to eat, this idea that meat is defiling the temple is man's need to put others under a bond, just like the Pharisees did with the Sabbath forcing their own intererests, taking the truth and changing it.
How about if you drink coffee because you like it and regardless of what is said pro or con you personally don't see anything wrong with drinking coffee?
Coffee drinking is not harmless, my friend, and you need to know this. As someone who struggled with coffee addiction and gained the victory over it in the name of Jesus, you owe it to yourself to find out all you can about the health risks involved with caffeine consumption. Caffeine IS a narcotic, and there are a number of health problems associated with caffeine intake, high blood pressure being one of them. Another is the fact that oxygen uptake to your brain is decreased, in some studies, by up to 40%, but that depends on how much you drink and the strength. You might not think that's a big deal, but it strongly affects your ability to hear God's voice. It also negatively impacts memory recall. Caffeine also has been reported to negatively affect mood and temperament, and I can personally testify to this. Sincerely seek the Lord for guidance and wisdom and earnestly look into this; the information is out there and there is no excuse for us to be ignorant. I will be praying for you. God's blessings to you 🙏🏽
1 Corinthians 10:31 KJVS
Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 KJVS
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? [20] For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
But think of what God has to say than desiring to follow your deceptive heart
@@stprincekubsvincestans5176 thank goodness only God is judging us.
@@pilgrimshodl8628 act like one who is to be judged by the perfect law of liberty
@@pilgrimshodl8628 1corinthians 3:15-17
I have to wake up 4am and be at work 6am and use my brain .
Hi Linda , God actually created us to be able to use or brains without dependence on a drug called caffeine . God gave me the victory over this addiction and he will for you too. I also hold a job and wake up early , I’m able to even do full workouts without the use of stimulants and caffeine. Once you get it out of your system you will see how easy this is. Have faith and give it to Him. He won’t let you down
Then don't drink coffee...you will feel fresher, and more vibrant...
And once you get off the caffeine, try some lemon, ginger tea...maybe some lemon grass; blah, blah, blah...there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of things that are good for you, and God approved, that will make you feel much better than caffeine...
@@ShawnCheriYoung What about caffeine free coffee?
@@dr.johnwatson2503 the chemical process used to extract the caffeine is worse than the caffeine itself...and not all of the caffeine is extracted...
Not to mention the waste of money, especially in this day and age, with Jesus right around the corner, and so much-needed work and means to prepare the way...the money wasted on coffee, and whatever you are putting in it, could be put to better use...what about denying self for the purpose of the Kingdom of Heaven..? would you rob God...store up treasure in Heaven, instead of self-gratification...
Spirit of Prophecy says coffee is a sin...
@@dr.johnwatson2503 Thousands in positions of trust and honor are indulging habits that mean ruin to soul and body. Ministers of the gospel, statesmen, authors, men of wealth and talent, men of vast business capacity, and power for usefulness, are in deadly peril because they do not see the necessity of self-control in all things. They need to have their attention called to the principles of temperance, not in a narrow or arbitrary way, but in the light of God's great purpose for humanity. Could the principles of true temperance thus be brought before them, there are very many of the higher classes who would recognize their value and give them a hearty acceptance.
We should show these persons the result of harmful indulgences in lessening physical, mental, and moral power. Help them to realize their responsibility as stewards of God's gifts. Show them the good they could do with the money they now spend for that which does them only harm. Present the total abstinence pledge, asking that the money they would otherwise spend for liquor, tobacco, or like indulgences, be devoted to the relief of the sick poor, or for the training of children and youth for usefulness in the world. To such an appeal not many would refuse to listen.-The Ministry of Healing, 210-11. PH136 5.4 - PH136 6.1
Romans 6:12 and 13 should help to shed some light on the issue.
Exactly how does this bring to light the issue of coffee being a sin, tea being a sin...... I am seriously having uneasy witch burning vibes ....you are totally using scripture to your own agenda ...the colonial christians and the catholics killed doing this..... don't SDA care about the Murders they commit in their hospitals giving abortions....but you claim it is about life and character...not that sin has a priority but the obvious is obvious murder is murder ..... drinking coffee and tea have some health benefits but SDA claims it's a sin.... I am totally confused