Thanks for doing this one, I watched it Friday night, implemented it Saturday and Sunday. Instant improvement, I've been struggling with consistency but this fixed it. Only had time to play 9 holes both days but 41 and 39, feeling confident again. Cheers
I’ve read and tried this ball position technique before with limited success. However, after watching the video and better understanding how to do it properly, I played my best golf in months. My contact was much improved and ball flew very straight! Thanks much for clarifying the lesson from Hogan.
Wow, after watching many of your great videos I’ve noticed you don’t always hit club face center. YET, this video I believe you’ve hit center more than I’ve ever seen. GENIUS. I’ve got to try this as I’m struggling with my low point (different understand) this still might help
My coach has got me hitting all my clubs including PW, with a closed stance which goes against this well documented advice. My ball striking has improved which I'm happy with.
I like this video but feel the camera angle did a disservice. Talking to camera at the same 45 degree angle is very comfortable but then if you cut to swing angles straight on (better view of ball position forward or back in stance) and directly behind (could see same swing vs ball position etc) I feel it would benefit. Thanks for all your hard work making these videos and giving us tips!
To me, the diagram in "5 modern Fundamentals", as I recall, showed the lofted clubs being essentially played back in the stance (this has to be understood with respect to the target line). And then, progressively the ball position moves forward and the stance closes with respect to the target line.
With your foot pad, similar to Hogan's drawing, could you show your foot placement as club length increases? Like a top view. Interested to see just how drastic your back foot closes the stance.
Do you know why this works? Or why he did it. Because the shorter club is going to hit the ground sooner, be it just a little as go from club to club. I became much more consistent when I moved the bal back in my stance for shorter clubs, un up in my stance as the club gets longer. 7 and 8 iron in the middle. Now, I use the same swing with all my clubs, Driver excluded. I use the same swing, just with a tilted spine and keep the spined tilted until the ball is gone. That promotes hitting up on the ball. Let me explain. If you took the same stance with all of your irons and did the exact swing, with the 8 iron divot coming out in the middle, the short irons will make the divot behind center, and the long irons in front of center. I personally like to keep my feet shoulder wide for all my irons except wedges. They all get a narrower stance. Pitching and chipping really narrow. I can't swing the club with a wide stance.
I've seen this principle from Ben Hogan before but kind of refused to believe but it is true! The position of the low point means that a draw would be the natural shot shape for the irons and a fade for the driver and good players probably want the opposite. This can be achieved by changing the foot positions as per Ben Hogan's instruction.
people think this is "constant" ball position, but it is actually progressive. If you set up to the ball and then open your stance you naturally have put the ball further back in your stance relative to where your feet are aimed.
It doesnt work for everyone. It worked for him because he had a terrible hooking habit and he wanted to completely eliminate it and never hit it left. I used to slice it then straight and now when I really hit it fast I hook it a little. There is no one solution fits all. You gotta be aware of what you do and why you do it.
I like this video but feel the camera angle did a disservice. Talking to camera at the same 45 degree angle is very comfortable but then if you cut to swing angles straight on (better view of ball position forward or back in stance) and directly behind (could see same swing vs ball position etc) I feel it would benefit. Thanks for all your hard work making these videos and giving us tips!
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Thanks for doing this one, I watched it Friday night, implemented it Saturday and Sunday.
Instant improvement, I've been struggling with consistency but this fixed it.
Only had time to play 9 holes both days but 41 and 39, feeling confident again.
Cheers
I’ve read and tried this ball position technique before with limited success. However, after watching the video and better understanding how to do it properly, I played my best golf in months. My contact was much improved and ball flew very straight! Thanks much for clarifying the lesson from Hogan.
Wow, after watching many of your great videos I’ve noticed you don’t always hit club face center. YET, this video I believe you’ve hit center more than I’ve ever seen. GENIUS. I’ve got to try this as I’m struggling with my low point (different understand) this still might help
My coach has got me hitting all my clubs including PW, with a closed stance which goes against this well documented advice. My ball striking has improved which I'm happy with.
prob to help your slice
I like this video but feel the camera angle did a disservice. Talking to camera at the same 45 degree angle is very comfortable but then if you cut to swing angles straight on (better view of ball position forward or back in stance) and directly behind (could see same swing vs ball position etc) I feel it would benefit. Thanks for all your hard work making these videos and giving us tips!
I love any video that includes Hogan as it's subject matter
Awesome tips! Can't wait to give them a try!
Hope it helps
To me, the diagram in "5 modern Fundamentals", as I recall, showed the lofted clubs being essentially played back in the stance (this has to be understood with respect to the target line). And then, progressively the ball position moves forward and the stance closes with respect to the target line.
With your foot pad, similar to Hogan's drawing, could you show your foot placement as club length increases? Like a top view. Interested to see just how drastic your back foot closes the stance.
Excellent explanation of Hogan’s tips; can’t go wrong with that…
Thanks
i tried this today at the range.. are you keeping your shoulders square ? it was strange with the wedges but worked .. i would pull some though
Do you know why this works? Or why he did it. Because the shorter club is going to hit the ground sooner, be it just a little as go from club to club. I became much more consistent when I moved the bal back in my stance for shorter clubs, un up in my stance as the club gets longer. 7 and 8 iron in the middle. Now, I use the same swing with all my clubs, Driver excluded. I use the same swing, just with a tilted spine and keep the spined tilted until the ball is gone. That promotes hitting up on the ball. Let me explain. If you took the same stance with all of your irons and did the exact swing, with the 8 iron divot coming out in the middle, the short irons will make the divot behind center, and the long irons in front of center. I personally like to keep my feet shoulder wide for all my irons except wedges. They all get a narrower stance. Pitching and chipping really narrow. I can't swing the club with a wide stance.
Love it!!
I've seen this principle from Ben Hogan before but kind of refused to believe but it is true! The position of the low point means that a draw would be the natural shot shape for the irons and a fade for the driver and good players probably want the opposite. This can be achieved by changing the foot positions as per Ben Hogan's instruction.
people think this is "constant" ball position, but it is actually progressive. If you set up to the ball and then open your stance you naturally have put the ball further back in your stance relative to where your feet are aimed.
You have the ball off your left heel for every club..but just widen the stance for lower clubs?
I use Ben Hogan's book as the Bible. I wore out my paper back and ordered a hard cover this year. It puts one back on course when they veer off.
My problem is I pull my shots to begin with. Seems if I line up for a 7 iron like he has in the diagram I’ll go even more left?
Hogan was a genius, without our technology he figured out something that still works today
Good advice. But Hogans ball position for the middle iron (iron 7?) is neutral - not open
I've got the book. What page is this?
Page 125 at the very end of the book
Essentially how I hit the ball but I didn’t realise it was already a taught thing. At least I don’t need to worry that I have a goofy swing.
Ali, at address, isn't the face on all clubs directed at the target, regardless of feet location?
For what Hogan describes, yes
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It doesnt work for everyone. It worked for him because he had a terrible hooking habit and he wanted to completely eliminate it and never hit it left. I used to slice it then straight and now when I really hit it fast I hook it a little. There is no one solution fits all. You gotta be aware of what you do and why you do it.
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I like this video but feel the camera angle did a disservice. Talking to camera at the same 45 degree angle is very comfortable but then if you cut to swing angles straight on (better view of ball position forward or back in stance) and directly behind (could see same swing vs ball position etc) I feel it would benefit. Thanks for all your hard work making these videos and giving us tips!
Maybe for the next video, thanks for the feedback