Minor correction: BMW Sauber was a thing from 2006-09 and by then, the entire grid has moved to 2.4 V8s. At the time this was developed, BMW worked with Williams and Fifth Gear even did a shoot with the E60 and a V10 BMW Williams. The V10 Saubers were Ferrari powered.
Yep, the F1 V10 era was 1995 to 2005. This M5 was introduced in 2004, so it did coincide with the V10 era, BUT as you rightly point out, the Sauber partnership didn't start until 2005, with rebranding in 2006, so all within the V8 era. If this guy is ex-F1 it's surprising he doesn't know that, unless there's something we don't know?
The motor was initially designed with the intention of putting it into an LMP2 car, but by time BMW finished the engine, the specifications for the race series changed. BMW didn't want to waste the huge chunk of development money, so they made some modifications to the motor to make it street legal. They changed the rod bearings from lead to leaded copper, as well as, a few minor tweaks to make the S85. So the motor, is racing derived but not from F1, from IMSA.
@@svenskaz3428 LMP2 stands for Le-Mans-Prototype, which is the highest class of vehicles for the 24h races. So yes, this is an actual racing engine. I kinda like to think of it as THE engine you want to drive, but maintainance is really quite a handful. To say the least. ^^
@@Brianhdgs7 Also worth pointing out: BMW is different to so many others in that this very race-car-based engine was developed in-house at BMW, not in some very separate department or bought from a completely separate company. They even had engineers who had worked on the F1 engines working on this road car engine.
Those Everything M3 lads are really kicking out some serious pieces of kit. Really enjoyed this episode and gave me good reason to skip the Yaris vid. For that alone I thank you.
More of theseeee pleaseeee! A new modern classics series maybe? I would include parts of using the car daily...early rise, driving for shopping, other gear you use when driving, etc :D
Love the sound of that V10. I had an E60 as my daily driver for 9 years, 2008 535i. I ordered it with manual transmission. Quickly installed Dinan stage 2 software, and Dinan exhaust. So exciting to drive! Had about 385 hp, and 414 lb-ft of torque with upgrades.
SO CLOSE TO 1M, GO CARFECTION! 🔥🙌🏻 Also, what a delicious thing that Manual M5 Touring is ❤️ I also love it when Henry talks about photography like he does on this intro and on the Manual Aston Martin Vantage AMR film!
Great review Henry and Team. As a previous owner of the E63 M6 I can concur with all you have said. Still miss the howl of that incredible engine. However, one point you never mentioned was the wallet emptying fuel economy! Supposedly 19mpg combined. In reality you would be lucky to get 15 and less when you’re driving it as intended. Crippling in todays fuel prices. Well over £100 to fill up and c200 miles to a tank.
Awesome car and conversion. Here in the US we also got the F10 M5 in a manual trans, a fact that most people have no idea about. Would be cool to drive one and would be awesome to see Catchpole drive one, and see his opinion.
The estate from this era is definitely the best looking with practicality as a bonus. Engine sounds gorgeous and the car sits well on the road. A great alternative to some of the modern stuff. Just seen 1m subscribers 🥂🍾🎁🎉🏆
I love, love, love this. First M5 E61 I've ever seen was just like this one, white with black leather, parked at the employees parking at the Nürburgring - must've been the boss's, I guess. Absolutely loved this combination. LHD, of course, and not a manual. But I can totally understand your reasoning -word by word- for this car, although I've never driven one myself. The only problem with used M cars is always the devastating after-effects of previous owners not understanding (and/or caring) what the delicate engines need to last. Makes finding the few truly good ones a hassle... But this is actually my all-time favorite 5-series design. Yes, I know, Chris Bangle and all, but what people fail to see are A) the absolute and simplistic beauty in the surfaces between the -admittedly unusual- lines of this car (I think they're working in genius ways, though!), and B) the great proportions this last E-series 5er has. That low, long hood, that short front overhang, the dramatic dash-to-axle distance. I think it's so much better than everything that came after, which looks like it melted in the Bavarian sun or the airconditioning system failed over the weekend in the design studio and the clay model melted... Final thought: compare the elegant kidney grills to the gargantuan abominations we get assaulted with these days. Ugh.
As much as I adore the V10s in these cars, I've been steered off from several reputable friends from picking one up. As a stickler for maintenance, the phrase that did me in was "nightmarishly expensive". Maybe one day when I get to kitbash my ultimate M5 from parts across the lineage as a fun car. Til then, I'm more of the IS500 sort where I can have my 'super' sedan to monkey around and know it'll still be dead reliable 15 years from now.
I consider the E92 and E60 mechanic specials. Only then would it make sense because though being finnicky and expensive, atleast you've gained the skill to work on it and it'll be cheaper to own and maintain. They suffer from neglect by people who don't understand how to properly care for them much like Rotaries I've had "reliable" 1JZ and it was easily the most expensive motor i've ever owned because things kept breaking and needed tuning. My point is, take ownership of vehicle by a case by case basis because generalities are never guaranteed
Look up the channel “m539 restorations” and watch his series on the e60 restoration he did. They’re not magic, and with some maintenance you can keep one on the road yourself, although if you aren’t ready to work on your own car, don’t pay for someone else’s labor.
That completely understandable, even I felt that way about E60 M5s, but I recently learned that they can be extremely reliable if taken care of properly. If you have time, check out M539 restoration's high mileage E60 M5.
@@khayampeta6876 Thats the thing, alot of owners didn't look after them properly but at the same time everyone thought they were bulletproof when they came out. Now there is alot more info out there and people who know how to keep them going.
Of course such an engine needs to be looked after...like any work of precision...I still own my 323i from 1982....i've used this car as daily as a young guy ( in the French alps) to go to work everyday..and today in 2022 ,keep driving it often and it stills has its stock 194 HP.....because I loved and love this car and took the best care I could....
This lad is answering to all questions or "what if's" that BMW M power never got to answer. I mean, the E39 besides it's timeless beauty is to me peak M, mostly because it was manually only. But an M3 CSL manual? yes please! An E61 M5 manual? OMG. Now then, how about an E90 M3 CRT manual... see where this is going? :D
I remember Tom Ford from Fifth Gear back in the day, dashing across Europe to get to the South of Spain in one of these, sans the manual gearbox ofcourse
There is a car that is exciting, comfortable for the amount of passengers it was designed for, practical in town, and engaging to drive. The only disadvantage is that it shouldn't be used on a bumpy road. It's a Mini Roadster,:) The S version or the JCW, both are great.
I love the fact that they didnt even bother to change to a different steering wheel, n just remove the gearshift pedals on the original one. but then again, this is still undergoing work, so perhaps they'd change to a non smg steering wheel on the finished work.
In Canada we had the E60 manual. A really well sorted one with some OEM+ mods is a real pleasure. Still a really hard decision. E39 M5 or E60 M5 manual?
Lovely! I would go for a convertible 6 series. The actual 0-60 was nearer 4 seconds when tested. But more important is the 0-100 which is in the nines.
Just wonder if the weight distribution will be a problem? It looks like the v10 is gonna make the head so heavy. However, the manual gearbox is always adorable.
BMW definitely lost something when the era of the N/A inline 6's, V-8's and V-10's went away in favor of turbo cars. The instant throttle response, sound, high revs and ultra linear power are all magic. It's the main thing that makes Porsche GT3's so special in today's world
The manual box in the e60 M5 was horrible. The shifter had long, rubbery throws. I hated it. And the SMG was just weird to drive. Maybe a short throw shifter would have made the manual better. Looks like the manual in the vid is much nicer.
@@stanislavandonov8495 No need sure, more so I'm imagining the experience of Audis gated manual in their twin turbo v10 family estate. It would be ridiculous but good fun imo
I had one (auto and sedan) i would absolutely be broke in today's gas prices. I remember i would realistic get 8mpg in the city (Los Angeles) stuck in stop and go traffic.
that would be sick. it would be so different. which trans would you use? Probably the tremec tr6060 from c6 vette/pontiac gto? What makes this conversion interesting is the fact he used the m3 trans, instead of what BMW NA put in the car for US spec manual M5s, which was actually the e60 550i manual trans. A great transmission for the 550i, but from what I have heard, not the best for the m5. It was kind of a lazy job, as the manual m5 has too long of gears and each upshift leaves the car out of its peak power band. Don't know how true that is, but what I have heard. I think the manual F10 M5 would be interesting. Only came to the US in limited numbers.
@@gobinduppal4429 the 6 speed out of the crossfire is a direct built on, along with a few others. I'd probably try to stick with a Mercedes trans, but that's just me
@@gobinduppal4429 technically it's not rated for the torque, but my cosworth trans isn't rated for the torque I throw at it either, and it's holding up fine
Why the Americans got the manual version exclusively I’ll never know
Because Americans buy more manual m cars according to Frank Van Meel. America got one for the F10 m5 and m6 as well.
They fucked us with an intentionally terrible manual straight out of the 5 series.
Cause they usually buy more manuals when it comes to sports cars.
Because we didn’t get the estate
It's not good apparently, so whatever
Minor correction: BMW Sauber was a thing from 2006-09 and by then, the entire grid has moved to 2.4 V8s. At the time this was developed, BMW worked with Williams and Fifth Gear even did a shoot with the E60 and a V10 BMW Williams. The V10 Saubers were Ferrari powered.
Yep, the F1 V10 era was 1995 to 2005. This M5 was introduced in 2004, so it did coincide with the V10 era, BUT as you rightly point out, the Sauber partnership didn't start until 2005, with rebranding in 2006, so all within the V8 era. If this guy is ex-F1 it's surprising he doesn't know that, unless there's something we don't know?
The motor was initially designed with the intention of putting it into an LMP2 car, but by time BMW finished the engine, the specifications for the race series changed. BMW didn't want to waste the huge chunk of development money, so they made some modifications to the motor to make it street legal. They changed the rod bearings from lead to leaded copper, as well as, a few minor tweaks to make the S85. So the motor, is racing derived but not from F1, from IMSA.
@@Brianhdgs7 care to expound? lmp2?
@@svenskaz3428 LMP2 stands for Le-Mans-Prototype, which is the highest class of vehicles for the 24h races. So yes, this is an actual racing engine.
I kinda like to think of it as THE engine you want to drive, but maintainance is really quite a handful. To say the least. ^^
@@Brianhdgs7 Also worth pointing out: BMW is different to so many others in that this very race-car-based engine was developed in-house at BMW, not in some very separate department or bought from a completely separate company. They even had engineers who had worked on the F1 engines working on this road car engine.
Those Everything M3 lads are really kicking out some serious pieces of kit. Really enjoyed this episode and gave me good reason to skip the Yaris vid. For that alone I thank you.
More of theseeee pleaseeee! A new modern classics series maybe? I would include parts of using the car daily...early rise, driving for shopping, other gear you use when driving, etc :D
The best of the last M engines! E63 M6 will be in my garage forever.
Love the sound of that V10. I had an E60 as my daily driver for 9 years, 2008 535i. I ordered it with manual transmission. Quickly installed Dinan stage 2 software, and Dinan exhaust. So exciting to drive! Had about 385 hp, and 414 lb-ft of torque with upgrades.
Why did you sell it?
Of the many car films I've watch on RUclips, this is one of the most desirable cars....
One million subscribers! Congrats :)
SO CLOSE TO 1M, GO CARFECTION! 🔥🙌🏻
Also, what a delicious thing that Manual M5 Touring is ❤️
I also love it when Henry talks about photography like he does on this intro and on the Manual Aston Martin Vantage AMR film!
They've gone and done it! 1M subscribers :P
@@The24Gamer YES! I'm so proud! :')
Congratulations on reaching a MILLION SUBSCRIBERS
Great review Henry and Team. As a previous owner of the E63 M6 I can concur with all you have said. Still miss the howl of that incredible engine. However, one point you never mentioned was the wallet emptying fuel economy! Supposedly 19mpg combined. In reality you would be lucky to get 15 and less when you’re driving it as intended. Crippling in todays fuel prices. Well over £100 to fill up and c200 miles to a tank.
What an awesome car
Practicality, character, exhilaration, engagement, sound. It has everything that never goes together
One million subscribers at last!
Well deserved and long overdue!
Also, another great review Henry!
i met Darah at the race track as mechanics , and we had fun ;) very lovely and comepetent chap . wish him al the luck
Congrats on 1 million subs. I've been around a few years since xcar days
I love the variety of your reviews. Thank you!
Awesome car and conversion. Here in the US we also got the F10 M5 in a manual trans, a fact that most people have no idea about. Would be cool to drive one and would be awesome to see Catchpole drive one, and see his opinion.
It’s the Trade Plates that really do it for me
The estate from this era is definitely the best looking with practicality as a bonus. Engine sounds gorgeous and the car sits well on the road. A great alternative to some of the modern stuff.
Just seen 1m subscribers 🥂🍾🎁🎉🏆
Congrats on 1 million subscribers!
A million subscribers! Well done Carfection. Much deserved.
Another brilliant BMW improved even further with the additional of a manual gearbox 😃👌. Only 1k left until the 1M milestone 😲👀
Congratulations on reaching the well deserved 1M milestone.
my man, congratulations for 1M subscribers, you deserve it
Henry Congratulations for 1 Million subscribers 👏 Wonderful achievement
I love, love, love this. First M5 E61 I've ever seen was just like this one, white with black leather, parked at the employees parking at the Nürburgring - must've been the boss's, I guess. Absolutely loved this combination. LHD, of course, and not a manual. But I can totally understand your reasoning -word by word- for this car, although I've never driven one myself. The only problem with used M cars is always the devastating after-effects of previous owners not understanding (and/or caring) what the delicate engines need to last. Makes finding the few truly good ones a hassle... But this is actually my all-time favorite 5-series design. Yes, I know, Chris Bangle and all, but what people fail to see are A) the absolute and simplistic beauty in the surfaces between the -admittedly unusual- lines of this car (I think they're working in genius ways, though!), and B) the great proportions this last E-series 5er has. That low, long hood, that short front overhang, the dramatic dash-to-axle distance. I think it's so much better than everything that came after, which looks like it melted in the Bavarian sun or the airconditioning system failed over the weekend in the design studio and the clay model melted...
Final thought: compare the elegant kidney grills to the gargantuan abominations we get assaulted with these days. Ugh.
Loving this video. Great work Henry and carfection production team 👌
The E60 M5 touring in manual and the Cadillac CTS-V wagon manual are the ultimate God tier wagon cars for me
As much as I adore the V10s in these cars, I've been steered off from several reputable friends from picking one up. As a stickler for maintenance, the phrase that did me in was "nightmarishly expensive". Maybe one day when I get to kitbash my ultimate M5 from parts across the lineage as a fun car. Til then, I'm more of the IS500 sort where I can have my 'super' sedan to monkey around and know it'll still be dead reliable 15 years from now.
I consider the E92 and E60 mechanic specials. Only then would it make sense because though being finnicky and expensive, atleast you've gained the skill to work on it and it'll be cheaper to own and maintain. They suffer from neglect by people who don't understand how to properly care for them much like Rotaries
I've had "reliable" 1JZ and it was easily the most expensive motor i've ever owned because things kept breaking and needed tuning. My point is, take ownership of vehicle by a case by case basis because generalities are never guaranteed
Zero issues with my E63 M6 in 3 years
Look up the channel “m539 restorations” and watch his series on the e60 restoration he did. They’re not magic, and with some maintenance you can keep one on the road yourself, although if you aren’t ready to work on your own car, don’t pay for someone else’s labor.
That completely understandable, even I felt that way about E60 M5s, but I recently learned that they can be extremely reliable if taken care of properly. If you have time, check out M539 restoration's high mileage E60 M5.
@@khayampeta6876 Thats the thing, alot of owners didn't look after them properly but at the same time everyone thought they were bulletproof when they came out. Now there is alot more info out there and people who know how to keep them going.
Of course such an engine needs to be looked after...like any work of precision...I still own my 323i from 1982....i've used this car as daily as a young guy ( in the French alps) to go to work everyday..and today in 2022 ,keep driving it often and it stills has its stock 194 HP.....because I loved and love this car and took the best care I could....
Please post some videos of your lovely car!
Y’all are right on the edge of One million congratulations
At least when that V10 grenades itself, you can row the gears on the tow truck.
Another great entry, it’s proper entertainment for car people 🍻
Congrats on 1M subscribers! Well deserved.
That engine is one of the all time great engines of the modern era!
Clicked the like before the video started. Always know it’s going to be fire especially when you read that caption
"It's like a reverse mullet." Brilliant.
always been my perf 1car garage (except maybe an old stagea 260rs (or maybe an e61 xdrive w a b58 swap))
thx 4 sharing !
"reverse mullet" I really like that description. I'm gonna call my is300 sportcross that once I'm able to turbo and (maybe) manual swap it
the best car ever made, practicality, fun, look... just everything
It sounds incredible!
You guys are so close to 1 million
Would love a video of a pull through the gears, red lining it, with NO MUSIC!
I see these 5 series are lot lately! Seem to be really good cars!
Absolutely stunning V10👍
This lad is answering to all questions or "what if's" that BMW M power never got to answer.
I mean, the E39 besides it's timeless beauty is to me peak M, mostly because it was manually only.
But an M3 CSL manual? yes please! An E61 M5 manual? OMG.
Now then, how about an E90 M3 CRT manual... see where this is going? :D
Stealth rocket - great video
Black Crows Atris, fitted with Kingpins. There. At least there is an answer to the one ski question.
Coming up on a million subscribers. This would be a good car to crack that with
There’s the million! 👍🏼
What a car! I would have to sort the steering wheel where the paddles used to be though.
I remember Tom Ford from Fifth Gear back in the day, dashing across Europe to get to the South of Spain in one of these, sans the manual gearbox ofcourse
Practical performance very very rare ! 👍🏻
great video about a great car, congrats to 1 mil subs!
This is way better than the current overhyped M5 CS imo.
Now lets see a manual M5CS !
LOL Drivetribe referenced this video in their review of (effectively) the same car.
Love the estate version of the e90. Hoping to get my hands on one before le mans 24h next year. Would love to take one there
Let’s talk about 999K subs! So close to 1 million 🙌
Unbelivable car, what an icon!
why not leave the 3.62 as standard for more relaxed high-speed cruising, and the 4.10 as an option for faster acceleration?
Nothing better than a fast wagon.
There is a car that is exciting, comfortable for the amount of passengers it was designed for, practical in town, and engaging to drive. The only disadvantage is that it shouldn't be used on a bumpy road. It's a Mini Roadster,:) The S version or the JCW, both are great.
A manual, white touring with a pan roof? Jesus that’s rare.
Need more wot exhaust noise footage!
I love the fact that they didnt even bother to change to a different steering wheel, n just remove the gearshift pedals on the original one. but then again, this is still undergoing work, so perhaps they'd change to a non smg steering wheel on the finished work.
very impressive i love it
Not another one! Was just looking at one of these yesterday
party in the front, business in the back
That V10 sound
Nice. Need to blank the back of the steering wheel where the paddles were.
Bmw built one for the north American market. I did a 335d e91 manual 5yrs ago It's all e 90/91 330d parts..
In Canada we had the E60 manual. A really well sorted one with some OEM+ mods is a real pleasure. Still a really hard decision. E39 M5 or E60 M5 manual?
A left-hand drive E61 M5 is my 'White Buffalo'.
Great car buy you need an E55 Kompressor Estate for when this one's SMG, Vanos or crank bearings go kaput.
Gorgeous car - if I had the money I'd buy an E61 M5 to do just this.
Lovely! I would go for a convertible 6 series.
The actual 0-60 was nearer 4 seconds when tested. But more important is the 0-100 which is in the nines.
Dream car right here... 😭
Just wonder if the weight distribution will be a problem? It looks like the v10 is gonna make the head so heavy. However, the manual gearbox is always adorable.
You also need a second car for the times it breaks down. Marvelous motorvehicle though!
BMW definitely lost something when the era of the N/A inline 6's, V-8's and V-10's went away in favor of turbo cars. The instant throttle response, sound, high revs and ultra linear power are all magic. It's the main thing that makes Porsche GT3's so special in today's world
The manual box in the e60 M5 was horrible. The shifter had long, rubbery throws. I hated it. And the SMG was just weird to drive. Maybe a short throw shifter would have made the manual better. Looks like the manual in the vid is much nicer.
Makes me wonder what a manual C6 RS6 would be like
The Rs6 c6 will benefit from zf8, not a manual. The engine is bonkers and there is no need for a manual in that car
@@stanislavandonov8495 No need sure, more so I'm imagining the experience of Audis gated manual in their twin turbo v10 family estate. It would be ridiculous but good fun imo
Except for the Dame Edna headlights and the white paint, this must be a blast. Sounds fantastic!
I love that engine in principal but any engine that has rod bearings as a service item is a bit much for a road car.
BMWs tend to be lost on me...but that is truly special.
Feels like they got it right.
Can you now fit a manual in the current m5 cs, please?
Are what look to be cutouts on the back of the steering wheel, where the paddle shifters used to be(if there were any)?.
I had one (auto and sedan) i would absolutely be broke in today's gas prices. I remember i would realistic get 8mpg in the city (Los Angeles) stuck in stop and go traffic.
E55 wagon with a manual swap would be my pick
that would be sick. it would be so different. which trans would you use? Probably the tremec tr6060 from c6 vette/pontiac gto? What makes this conversion interesting is the fact he used the m3 trans, instead of what BMW NA put in the car for US spec manual M5s, which was actually the e60 550i manual trans. A great transmission for the 550i, but from what I have heard, not the best for the m5. It was kind of a lazy job, as the manual m5 has too long of gears and each upshift leaves the car out of its peak power band. Don't know how true that is, but what I have heard. I think the manual F10 M5 would be interesting. Only came to the US in limited numbers.
@@gobinduppal4429 the 6 speed out of the crossfire is a direct built on, along with a few others. I'd probably try to stick with a Mercedes trans, but that's just me
@@swandonovan the srt6 crossfire wasnt a robust enough trans, I believe. It wouldnt be able to handle to torque of the M155k (supercharged v8).
@@gobinduppal4429 technically it's not rated for the torque, but my cosworth trans isn't rated for the torque I throw at it either, and it's holding up fine
Coolest car ever.
There must be trim for the back of the steering wheel to replace the paddle mounts?
I ache for one of these!
Unshackled ❤️
I remember living in the UK in 2014 and looking at these, they were like sub £20k 😞
Oh hell yes!!
What a wonderful and mesmerizing machine - it makes me sweat just thinking about the possible maintenance costs though. Uh-huh-huh
I will put like to every video until I see 1 Million.
bad ass
BMW was like everythings so good about this car ...let's make some money out of it ... Engineers put a low quality oil pump - mission accomplished