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Thanks to Dr John for clarifying motive in the February 2017 Delphi murders of Liberty German 14, and Abby Williams, 13. I'm no psychologist. I'm a British former national newspaper journalist who has reported on and researched many high-profile murders. It was always clear to me the motive was sexual in this case. That the two girls were targeted in that way (abduction in a public location, in broad daylight where he could have been interrupted/thwarted/caught), and both victims unclothed by the perpetrator, spoke volumes. This was opportunistic, sexually motivated stranger violence, culminating in murder. Sexual motivation is strong motivation, frequently characterised by risk-taking and repeat offending by the perpetrator, with escalation of violence over time. My thanks also to Dr John for bringing such clarity to the following question, which often crops up in discussions on his likely guilt or innocence: Richard Allen was around 45 years old at the time of the Delphi murders, an audacious, double homicide of two teen girls, in an outdoor, public location, during daytime. In middle age, he had no criminal record. To be clear: I believe Libby's Smartphone video of the suspect termed 'Bridge Guy', and Allen's early admission he was present at the crime scene at the time of the killings, wearing the same clothing, are compelling evidence he is 'Bridge Guy' and therefore the killer. So, assuming Allen is guilty of these two murders, what are the chances this was his first ever offence of sexual violence against females? Allen is a husband and the father of a daughter (who incidentally, bears a striking physical resemblance to victim Libby German). For many years up to his arrest, he worked a public-facing role at a branch of CVS Pharmacy. As the chief investigating office Supt Doug Carter had correctly predicted from day one, the killer was always, quote; 'hiding in plain sight'. As a respectable, middle aged husband and father in full time employment, and crucially, with no criminal record, Allen would have been suspected by precisely no one. But having no criminal record does not automatically mean a person has no history of criminal behaviour. It just means they've never been arrested and charged with it. Guess which crime is hugely under reported, and therefore under charged and under prosecuted, with most perpetrators getting away with it time and time again? Domestic abuse/violence, in which the offender is known to (and likely in an ongoing relationship with) the victim. Critically, Dr John pointed out the 2015 domestic incident, during which a 911 call was made from the Allen home, and police were summoned there. Officers made no arrests and took no action, merely advising Allen's wife to take the severely intoxicated Allen to hospital. We don't know what level of violence he committed during that incident. But it indicates he was abusive to one or more female/s in the house. He has no criminal record because he has never been arrested - it does not mean he has no criminal history, and has never committed a prior crime of violence/abuse against females. It is highly unlikely Allen never committed crimes of violence/sexual violence against female children or women, before the Delphi murders. As Dr John stated, the crime was almost certainly a case of abuser-turned-murderer. In my view the Delphi murders represent a significant escalation in his violent offending, they were not the start of it. In all statistical probability, Allen has other victims out there. They may not be strangers to him.
I feel sorry for you guys that you have to deal with mindnumbing trolls, honest to God it drives me nuts, people these days cannot just see the obvious evidence before them, it has to be something outrageous like the odinists ect, brings to mind the witch hunts and their beliefs of a bygone era, geez. Watching too much Csi or the like, demanding motives which the prosecution does not have to offer ect ect. How can anyone not stand back from this and see it for what it is? John, I completely agree with you on everything you said, people forget you do this for a living. Your experience with criminals and their motives are way above and beyond the everyday person. Love ya Lauren too, you are a class lady, you never rise to the bait, keep up the fantastic work you guys, you are a beautiful, formidable team, much love and respect from a Nana in the Republic of Ireland xxx
@@BeverlyMurphy-u5l Oh I get it. It's a very common human trait to fail to recognise what's staring you in the face - particularly when you are deeply invested in not recognising the reality of who a person really is. There are umpteen historical examples of the partners/close relatives of killers and sex offenders, failing to recognise photos/security videos/sketches/photofits/descriptions of their spouse/loved one, when he has been witnessed/recorded at crime scenes. This doesn't only apply to partners/spouses incidentally, but to all close relatives - the killer's parents, children, siblings, grandparents, and even non-relatives, like friends and co-workers. Richard Allen is clearly 'Bridge Guy' - he admitted so himself, when he approached the authorities soon after the murders and gave an admission he was at the crime scene at the relevant day and time, and was wearing the same clothes as the guy on the video. It was him! When Libby's dynamite Smartphone video of him following her and Abby across the bridge was splashed across the TV news and every RUclips true crime channel, he panicked and decided to get in front of the story by coming forward and playing the role of innocent witness. I bet he couldn't believe his luck when the Keystone Cops failed to follow up and summon him to a formal interview - and then left him alone for a whole FIVE YEARS. Supt Doug carter was wrong when he said the killer was, quote: 'Hiding in plain sight' - he wasn't hiding at all! Despite the ongoing publicity (and unless we hear different at his murder trial), it does not appear anyone gave Richard Allen's name to police - and let's not forget he worked a public-facing job at a CVS pharmacy. Apparently it never occurred to customers the friendly, helpful guy behind the counter could possibly be the short, bearded, middle aged man he resembled on his victim's grainy Smartphone footage. But many people are shocked that Richard Allen's wife, adult daughter, and all his relatives, failed to recognise him from Libby's video, or indeed from the first suspect sketch (which closely resembled him). Don't think it couldn't happen to you. Who would easily suspect a loved-one of such an horrific crime? And who knows what self delusion any of us is capable of, when facing a certain set of personal circumstances? We know from the 911 call to his house in 2015, two years before the Delphi murders, Richard Allen had some history of domestic abuse (likely combined with alcohol abuse). We know no more detail than that, but at the very least it indicates the marriage was not entirely happy or stable. Yet to this day Kathy Allen remains a loyal wife who stayed with her husband. A woman trying to keep a shaky marriage going, will not automatically suspect her husband of being the man behind a high-profile, double child homicide. In fact, it's the last thing she would believe - or more to the point, want to believe.
Lauren & Dr John, I live in neighboring small town of Delphi. I’ve been following this case from day 1. Your insights are nothing like anything that’s ever been discussed about this case. Wow wow wow, your analysis is extremely eye opening! Thank you both for all you do, for cleaning up the muddy water and helping us all see things from a clear lense. Thank you Lauren for coming to my home state Indiana to cover the trial.
I get so captivated when Dr John speaks He is so skilled and intelligent and it is so refreshing to hear someone speak, who can offer such value and insight into these topics and the people he discusses. I love when a professional gets deep into the human brain and explains why humans behave the way they do. Thank you to Dr John for dedicating time to speak to us about all this. And thanks you to Lauren for all your hard work. 🙌
@@giggergigger1It’s 30 years of experience after intensive training at a prestigious university gaining a doctorate. Dr John is an authority in the evaluation of sex offenders. If anyone can make sense of RA’s behavior - it’s Dr John.
I really like when Dr. Bae gets righteously angry about a case. You can tell he's a protective dad. Thank you, Dr. John and Lauren for always standing up for the victims and deep diving on all aspects of these cases. You are such a great team and I really enjoy your channel! 🤗
I didn't know when I found your amazing reporting and decided for the 1st time ever that I must become a member. Little did I know I'd also get Dr.Johns amazing views. Two highly intelligent people bringing us different views and bringing us facts all in one place I THANK U BOTH ❤❤❤
I could listen to Dr. John speak for hours! (I doubt one will find a more dedicated, brilliant, and professional journalist than beautiful Lauren!) I’ve listened to you both from the beginning (just audio😊.)
True that, this Dr. John fella is quite the awkward fella, I could see even the best interviewers struggling to hold a conversation with him... but Lauren does it with such grace and the conversation flows so, SO well... They have such chemistry on camera, you would think they were married
36:22 "for the police to respond to a domestic call, it takes a fairly significant incident." No it doesn't. That's not true at all. All it takes for police to respond is a 911 call. It takes a significant incident for them to make an arrest, and if there had been any evidence or indication of actual violence, they likely would have.
TY for this conversation. It's given insights into some of the questions about this case. I've mostly heard those (including defense attorneys) concerned about a fair trial on social media. This conversation is a much needed balance IMO and I TY. Hidden True Crime is a unique gem in social media.
Watched Dr. John with Colby Ryan, and I would like to commend him on it. He clearly was a huge help and consolation to Colby. His professionalism and compassion are so refreshing. Colby clearly needed help, and both Dr. John and Lauren have brought him that. Their intelligence motivation, compassion, and skills are so valuable, unlike the numerous loud and often sensational seeking coverage offered. . From 🎉CC a new fan of the channel
The thing I LOVE about Lauren and Dr. John is that they are not stubborn in their opinions. If new information surfaces, we'll be here talking about it some more!
Finally someone broke this down psychologically. For some reason this case and the Kaitlin Armstrong case didn’t have any real info or expert opinions out there are the psychology of this. I probably respect John most when he comes out of his calm demeanor and becomes more bold in his tone and body language because he genuinely cares and is upset about these behaviors but also truly passionate about what he does. I love what I do and I get so excited about little biomechanics inventions that excite me so I understand it especially with his compassion. I’ve been watching since day 1 and I remember Dr Babe seeming almost uncomfortable to be on camera at all, he really liked your presence Lauren to help with the flow and direct him, now he’s like “ move out the way I got this!” And I mean that in the best way. You make a great team with your unique talents and I love that you know him enough to know when to prompt or when to not interrupt bc this is gonna be a good tangent. Dr. Babe , thank you for embracing the camera which I know wasn’t likely your cup of tea but we sure appreciate it. Good thing you’re getting more comfortable because you’re going to continue to grow in one direction and have bigger audiences. Still feels like we’re at your kitchen table.
He didn’t break it down using any recent psychological research or practices. Assuming a person is a child killer because he got so drunk he had to be taken to the hospital. That is ludicrous! That is a substance issue, which any psych professional with their weight will understand is a medical issue, and in no way means he will not only become violent, but BRUTALLY kill 2 kids.
Honestly this is WHY I love this channel. Lauren’s very good recap of the case & journalism. Doc John’s analysis are excellent. I’m neutral on if RA’s guilty or not. It all sounds really strange, but seeing things from John’s perspective, it can make perfect sense. A sincere thank you for covering. Proud to be a patron!
Agreed. Have you checked out RUclipsr Gray Hughes' work on this case? He has been producing top quality content and analysis on the Delphi Murders from day one. He is a whizz with high tech maps and graphics, and combined with his old fashioned, non-sensationalist, common sense analysis, his videos are superb. In the last week leading up to the murder trial, he has put out compilation videos of his past work, as a recap for those who are not familiar with the case, or need a refresher course. When you watch his videos, particularly those showing the 'flow of the crime' ie how it all went down at the Monon High Bridge Trail on February 13th 2017 (following Allen's own admissions about his movements there that day), it's pretty clear the killer could not be anyone but Richard Allen.
Dr John makes some good points, but it's pretty clear he's not even trying to remain objective and has a strong bias towards Allen. Like the way he blows off and dismisses every other suspect. Honestly sounds like he's interviewing for an expert witness job for the prosecution.
it’s pretty clear you did not listen to the entire podcast. This is no slam dunk case, not black n white and certainly full of HIS experience as a forensic psych. Bias is YOUR opinion. The goal is JUSTICE.
He's not a professional in this case though, if you're talking about the Dr. He has no involvement with this whatsoever and therefore he's simply a well educated commentator.
There has been so much secrecy and odd claims around this case. I’m very disappointed that the trial won’t be at least audio recorded which makes this case even more mysterious. I’ve been very frustrated with the lack of transparency which makes me question if there is some type of cover up. As US citizens we have the right to see/hear this case presented in court. Dr John, thank you for bringing us information that I’ve never heard before and Lauren thank you for the probing questions you bring to this discussion.
@@mgkwb2556 2 weeks ago another person did video on y.t. about the sheriff election and the odin cult info. The lost evidence . Sounds like cover up and more ppl involved.
This episode really diminished my opinion of Dr John when it aired but especially now that the trial is in progress. Would appreciate if you guys would address it.
Guilty or not, there’s no excuse for Judge Gull consistently stomping on Richard Allen’s constitutional rights. I’d love to see a psychological analysis of why an experienced Judge would ever behave like this.
Judges are just humans as we know. To see a good one is becoming rare. Says a lot what is going on in the American judicial system I am afraid, these days.
I've been following the Delphi story from the beginning. Dr. John has brought out so many things I haven't even considered. He's brilliant. When it comes to stressors I'd like to add here that not long before the murders his daughter married and left the family home. Also his wife's brother, who apparently both Kathy and Richard were both very close to, died.. This brother was taking care of Kathy Allen's mother who was chronically ill. Kathy had to take more responsibility for her mother after her brother died which took her away from home.
Following this case closely because of a local case that’s eerily similar. Thank you for your perspectives. Please consider looking at the Evansdale case. We need help here.
I guess I dont understand how Dr. John says it is the farthest from coercion. Wouldn’t being in solitary confinement add similar psychological pressures similar to being in a room with a detective and told you can’t pee for 60 hours. I thought (and haven’t researched much) but I thought solitary confinement can cause hallucinations and cause or worsen disorders?
Yes. Prolonged solitary confinement can be extremely damaging to a person's mental health and lead to psychotic breaks which is why people shouldn't be held for more than 30 days. Prolonged solitary is used by the military to force confessions and punish. RA was in solitary for 1 year! I don't understand how he says it's the farthest from coercion either.
@@baystate_mainelyit’s because this man had visits everyday phone time Rec time psychiatrist visits every day he was offered a tv and got way more visits with his wife than any other inmate !! Actually there have been comments made by another inmate who is now released that RA was in his own space for S watch but was treated like Royalty compared to all the other inmates!!!
Watching this post trial.... still just as fascinating! You 2 make a spectacular team! Thank you for doing these joint videos, they're my favorites. 🎄🎄🎁🎁❤️💚
Dr. John explained this case, and Richard Allen so well. He totally made sense of this awful act. We’ll find out what elements are different in the story, at trial… to see if RA was the one who did it. Thank you Lauren for heading to court to report to the public! I know I have someone I trust gathering the info in the courtroom. I’m so disappointed in the judges restrictions against everything, even audio recording!!
@@EUZ890 they didn't. They were on a walking trail. If you'd actually seen this area you'd realise that it's not isolated. There are houses along the side of it, trails, a private drive and a road
@@EUZ890 As Prosecutor Nick McLeland mentioned in his abbreviated opening arguments this week, the indications are that one or both of the girls tried to make a break for it and escape Richard Allen, as he led them to the area where he planned to attack them, 'down the hill'. Their attempted escape, resulted in them crossing the shallow brook with him, and the crime scene changing to the area on the far side of the water. With respect, I don't think any of us can know for sure what two terrified children would do, faced with an adult male abductor ordering them around at gunpoint. Libby and Abby were much-loved girls from loving families, raised in a small, tight knit community. Nothing in their lives could have prepared them for the horrors they faced that day, at the hands of a deviant sexual predator who would even kill them to get his twisted sexual kicks. I am astonished anyone would question why two children were overpowered by the highly dangerous man who confronted them that day. Even if he had not been armed with a weapon, it's entirely possible the girls would have been frozen with fear and obeyed his every command, thinking that would be their best course of action to stay alive. In fact, as the FBI handbook emphasises, when a would-be abductor tells you to accompany them to 'the second location' it is not in your interests to obey their orders, as that is inevitably the isolated place they plan to do their worst to you, where you cannot escape, raise the alarm or summon help from others (it is worth noting 'the second location' could be the offender's vehicle). Scream, kick, fight and do everything you can to resist winding up at the second location, as the odds are once he gets you there, you will not emerge alive.
This two hours could not have gone by faster! Thank you Lauren and Dr John for clearing some things up for me. Your knowledge and experience of offenders is invaluable to those of us who've had real life experiences with them, with little real understanding. May justice be served for Abby and Libby.
I love that you guys put out such long videos! Dr. John it’s such a treat to get an insight into your extensive knowledge. Lauren, I’m eager to hear your coverage of this case
I want Dr John on speed dial (really speed text) I can text him every psych question I have throughout the day. I love how he ties everything to literature & fairytales!
So grateful for your insights. You've provided very plausible information for why this case feels like there are so many gaps in context. This channel is the only one I've been trusting fully for unbiased and detailed coverage.
46:10 actually the fish are very easily viewed from the bridge and it’s a known place to do so. Water is crystal clear. It would be a beautiful view. If you’re not scared of heights, why not go there to decompress?
Except fish are dormant in Indiana that time of year!! It was February the o Ly fish that are out that time of year are minnows and you wouldn’t see those from 60 ft up!! Any good Fisherman knows that! It to mention the water was murky according to a picture taken by one of the witnesses that day !!!!!!!
@@RachelDeal2024not true there was fish that day and the point of the matter is that is a park and everyone goes there to walk does he really need a reason to be there? Not defending him just saying why he or anyone is there is not the issue even him having a box cutter on hand is not suspect because all CVS managers carry box cutters. What’s more relevant is his phone mysteriously is missing, his car parked suspiciously and is on camera, his gun fits the bullet regardless it’s a common gun the bullet is near the girls, his voice sounds like BG, etc and a tone of other circumstances that all add up to him being BG
Another fact that was either conveniently omitted or embolished to fit into John's theory. I'll keep listening with an open mind but so far its a very looong reaching theory to get to RA being the right person. Idk if he is or not but using the same reverse engineering technique as the doctor is l, literally ANY man in Delphi could be the murderer. IJS
When I watched this live, I was, and still am, upset But he WASNT moved out of solitary. I hope you start rethinking things when you actually hear the testimony.
@@legallyredone5561 It sounds to me like you've been set in your opinion since before the trial, no? Before you listened to the evidence you seem to already have made your mind up that he was 100% innocent. Not "innocent until proven guilty" but "I know for sure he's innocent". These people have listened to the evidence with an open mind and let that evidence determine where they lean. You, however, won't let any evidence interfere with your already cemented conclusion.
@ Actually, I thought he was guilty but being treating poorly even then. We have to believe in our laws and not treat someone who is still considered innocent, as a felon. However, the more I learn of the evidence, the greater my belief that there is more than reasonable doubt not to find him guilty. To diagnose someone as feigning mental illness based on information from the prosecution, is disconcerting at best.
How about how poorly these GIRLS were treated!!! Feel sorry for him??? Jail isn’t supposed to be fun!! And he is in solitary to PROTECT HIM!! WTF people!! Look at the bridge guy video. It is HIM!!
Sadly police inexperience meant they played everything too close to the vest, and in my view that only hampered the investigation and meant the public could not be of much help. In addition, under Supt Doug Carter there were multiple, significant missteps in the murder investigation, which meant the killer walked free for an astonishing five years. One such police mistake was the release, two years later, of a dramatically different, far younger, clean-shaven sketch of the suspect and a much younger age estimate of 18-40 - both of which turned out to be inaccurate, and only further hindered progress in identifying Richard Allen. The similarly dramatic, belated police TV appeal regarding the fake 'Anthony Shotts' online profile, set up by child sex predator Keegan Kline, was another red herring which had nothing whatsoever to do with the Delphi murders. The Keystone Cops were barking up the wrong tree yet again! They finally got on the right track when they decided to go back to ground zero and revisit the first stages of the investigation five years on, in 2022. This finally led them to Richard Allen. I believe Allen is their man. He admitted to the authorities early on he was 'Bridge Guy', present on the bridge/at the crime scene at the time of the murders, and wearing the same clothes as the man seen on victim Libby's Smartphone video. Libby German gave police the best possible evidence on a silver platter - a video, with audio, of the man who murdered her and Abby. Allen should have been arrested within 2 weeks of these homicides, tops! But shoddy police work meant despite coming forward and identifying himself at the start (no doubt scared because Libby's video of him was all over the news), Richard Allen was not even asked to come in for a formal police interview. Not until his admission was spotted, five years later, was he belatedly looked at, and their glaring mistake became only too clear. It's no thanks to the police that Allen, a highly dangerous man, didn't reoffend during the five years he was at large. This outrageous delay in catching the killer means evidence against him has inevitably been disposed of and compromised. It has also inevitably weakened public confidence (and potentially a jury's), that police have the right man. It will be fascinating to find out exactly how strong a case prosecutors have built against Allen.
I think that whatever the verdict is, it will never be deemed fully credible because of the official secrecy and cloud of confusion. If Richard Allen at some point confesses in circumstances where his psychiatric status is not in doubt and he gives a detailed and credible account of the sequence of events, that might settle things, but a verdict alone won’t in my opinion. Maybe if the evidence that will be presented forms such a tight web around him that no possibility exists except that he did it, acting alone, then it’s case closed in the public mind, but in that case, why wasn’t he arrested in the weeks after the crime?
Really appreciate the way you laid everything out-much easier to see how it COULD be RA…..looking forward to your coverage Lauren and your analysis of it Dr. John!!
Kudos and thanks to Dr. John for making the essential and often overlooked points that no arrest history *is not equivalent* to no history of committing violent acts and that there is more than one kind of sexual assault or sex crime (I speak from experience as someone who was assaulted as a teen in a way that left no significant physical evidence). I appreciate both of your perspectives as you approach this case, and am looking forward to hearing more of your insight as the trial gets moving. Thank you, Lauren, for the time and commitment it will take to be there in person!
There is not a better channel on all of RUclips, imo, in true crime than yours. You explain everything in laymen terms so we all understand, you stick to facts, allow us the opportunity to understand criminal psychology (which is a major treat) and you both are always putting victims and their families, those who know the family first and that should ALWAYS be the case, but unfortunately rarely is. I can not say enough good things about you two as a team, and appreciate you two so much. Keep up the excellent work.💕
This is similar to a case in the UK in the 80s known as the babes in the woods case. 2 girls were abducted and killed by a man they knew. He was 19 and they were 9. So it wasn’t a stranger killing but he still had to manage 2 children. He killed them both, SA’d them and posed them afterwards. It took over 30 years to bring him to justice.
Why does anyone doubt that a highly predatory and dangerous adult man with sexual violence on his mind, could control two underage girls? Such a man could potentially control two adult women too. If you suddenly find yourself in that terrifying situation, confronted by a strange man of ill intent, shock takes over, and your instinct is typically to obey and be compliant in hope that's your best chance of survival. In fact the opposite is usually true - your safest course of action is to defy and disobey the perpetrator, scream, shout, run and if needs be fight, to get away from him. He is not giving you orders that will help you, after all, they are all for his own benefit, to assault and harm you! The orders given by the perpetrator are invariably aimed at getting the victim(s) to a second, isolated location (in the Delphi case, "Down the hill"), where he can do his worst to them away from other people who may offer help and a chance for them to escape. The FBI handbook is clear on this point - never let a would-be abductor take you to 'the second location' - and the second location could even be his vehicle. Once he has succeeded in getting you where he wants you, ie a place where you are alone with him and unlikely to be able to summon help, your chances of surviving the encounter plummet.
But he ignores Odinist events like Anders Bteivik's Utoya & Christchurch where children were killed. The Christchurch gunman even painted an Othala Rune on his rifle and killed a child at worship. Why do the crime scene sticks read " Futhark' in English when mirrored? Surely mention of early Norse language system established a nexus? This doesn't necessarily exclude the unmentionable early POIs or RA IMO. Even the FBI and LE were exploring Odinism re this crime.
Thank you for looking into this you guys were so needed on this case!!! Especially Dr John As a trauma survivor you both heal me a lil bit when you look into these hard cases with children Your care for the victims my heart connects with Thanks to you both!
Dr John, I’m new to this case. I’ve had some of your same suspicions. Having your POV from a forensic psychologist with your professional experience is so valuable. Thanks!
Thank you so much for this episode. I definitely learnt new details and it was fascinating to hear Dr. John share some of his incredible knowledge and educated opinions. You are definitely my favourite RUclips channel. You complement each other perfectly. ❤
Not only is he incredibly smart, humble, (AND funny!) he has a very tender heart, and is not ashamed to show his emotion. I can see why Lauren fell in love with Dr. John. I'm beyond lucky to have a fella like that, myself. Rare Gems, indeed @HiddenTrueCrime
Thank you for this insightful conversation! This is why I'm subscribed to your channel. I get factual content, and also psychological insight. You both are professional as well as personal, and I just love that.
I like and appreciate Dr. John, however this is extremely highly speculative. I would really appreciate if Dr John did an analysis on the living conditions and forced medications to which Ra was subjected, and the likelihood of his confessions being true or false!
Thank you Lauren & Dr. John for the interesting, detailed evidence, thorough, and professional of pre-trial overview of Richard Allen's case. Super good organized and fair presentation. Good Luck Lauren and be safe @ trial. Only thing that is concerning is the video of Bridge Guy isn't an easier identifier.
After listening to Dr John it occurs to me that when Richard Allen says he “killed his family” it could be his emotional visceral fear that his actions have destroyed his family because he fears losing his connection to them to such an extreme. Essentially he did kill his connection with his family.
When I saw this was two hours, my heart sort of sank, but you are the only channel that I trust will be worth my while. This is my first introduction to the Delphi case.
You are doing an amazing job taking notes at the trial. You are also doing a great job at describing each day. I can envision the trial as if I were there! So keep up the great work!❤
At ~45 min - Richard's 'watching for fish' comment about purpose on bridge could be a metaphor - as in looking for victims he can catch. Just a thought. Great episode, as always.
I agree, the basis of this analysis and thus the conclusions are so over-reached I had to watch this in three sittings because the level of frustration gets too high for me. This is someone’s life, and the lives of everybody connected to the crime. Pointing the finger at someone has consequences! Pitchforks and torches in the olden days, blindsided persecution here. And at the end of the day, after throwing away the key, we still don’t know who did this, and instead of achieving justice for the girls, we just added MORE injustice to the world. If he did this, by all means: punish him accordingly. But you can’t base your judgement on lies and assumptions.
Thank you Lauren and Dr John. This was one of the best analysis I've seen Dr John do. I even went back and rewatched several parts of it to absorb what he was saying.
What Dr. John is saying, makes so much sense, about the SA and DV. Also, I was always wondering what the downhill statement meant, so if the girls saw the gun, as heard in the video. He used the gun to get them to go downhill and they were afraid and went, in greater fear of being shot by running away.
I ❤ you two for bringing light to the truth, reporting the unseen and bringing light to the system flaws. Been a follower, but tonight hit me hard. Thanks
@tedlouie Was thinking along the same lines. The amount of reaching done in this video was a bit much. I appreciate nuance thinking and try to keep an open- mind. Idk if RA is the perpetrator or not but I just felt like his analysis was heavily slanted towards RA being guilty from the beginning and then he forced a lot of topics just to confirm his biases. IMO
I deeply admire Dr. John's mind! What a great way to link the Delphi case and the Greek tragedy! Amazing! And, yes, we need a lecture, keep doing a great job, guys!
Hello Lauren and Dr.John; This was a fascinating discussion. I really gained a lot of insight into Richard Allen. Thank you for that! I stopped subscribing to other channels because I became overwhelmed; however, I have subscribed to your channel because you often discuss topics I find interesting in a well researched, thorough and respectful way. I look forward to more interesting content from both of you.
I haven’t watched the entire video because it feels like Dr John is saying that RA is guilty when he is innocent until proven guilty. So far the evidence has been very weak. He should never have been forced to be in solitary confinement, in a maximum security prison, when he hadn’t been convicted of a crime.
With all the furor over this crime it is very possible he could've been killed at the county jail. Or in general population. Inmates don't care for (alleged)child murders.
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Thanks to Dr John for clarifying motive in the February 2017 Delphi murders of Liberty German 14, and Abby Williams, 13. I'm no psychologist. I'm a British former national newspaper journalist who has reported on and researched many high-profile murders. It was always clear to me the motive was sexual in this case.
That the two girls were targeted in that way (abduction in a public location, in broad daylight where he could have been interrupted/thwarted/caught), and both victims unclothed by the perpetrator, spoke volumes. This was opportunistic, sexually motivated stranger violence, culminating in murder.
Sexual motivation is strong motivation, frequently characterised by risk-taking and repeat offending by the perpetrator, with escalation of violence over time.
My thanks also to Dr John for bringing such clarity to the following question, which often crops up in discussions on his likely guilt or innocence: Richard Allen was around 45 years old at the time of the Delphi murders, an audacious, double homicide of two teen girls, in an outdoor, public location, during daytime. In middle age, he had no criminal record.
To be clear: I believe Libby's Smartphone video of the suspect termed 'Bridge Guy', and Allen's early admission he was present at the crime scene at the time of the killings, wearing the same clothing, are compelling evidence he is 'Bridge Guy' and therefore the killer. So, assuming Allen is guilty of these two murders, what are the chances this was his first ever offence of sexual violence against females?
Allen is a husband and the father of a daughter (who incidentally, bears a striking physical resemblance to victim Libby German). For many years up to his arrest, he worked a public-facing role at a branch of CVS Pharmacy. As the chief investigating office Supt Doug Carter had correctly predicted from day one, the killer was always, quote; 'hiding in plain sight'. As a respectable, middle aged husband and father in full time employment, and crucially, with no criminal record, Allen would have been suspected by precisely no one.
But having no criminal record does not automatically mean a person has no history of criminal behaviour. It just means they've never been arrested and charged with it. Guess which crime is hugely under reported, and therefore under charged and under prosecuted, with most perpetrators getting away with it time and time again? Domestic abuse/violence, in which the offender is known to (and likely in an ongoing relationship with) the victim.
Critically, Dr John pointed out the 2015 domestic incident, during which a 911 call was made from the Allen home, and police were summoned there. Officers made no arrests and took no action, merely advising Allen's wife to take the severely intoxicated Allen to hospital. We don't know what level of violence he committed during that incident. But it indicates he was abusive to one or more female/s in the house. He has no criminal record because he has never been arrested - it does not mean he has no criminal history, and has never committed a prior crime of violence/abuse against females.
It is highly unlikely Allen never committed crimes of violence/sexual violence against female children or women, before the Delphi murders. As Dr John stated, the crime was almost certainly a case of abuser-turned-murderer. In my view the Delphi murders represent a significant escalation in his violent offending, they were not the start of it. In all statistical probability, Allen has other victims out there. They may not be strangers to him.
I feel sorry for you guys that you have to deal with mindnumbing trolls, honest to God it drives me nuts, people these days cannot just see the obvious evidence before them, it has to be something outrageous like the odinists ect, brings to mind the witch hunts and their beliefs of a bygone era, geez. Watching too much Csi or the like, demanding motives which the prosecution does not have to offer ect ect. How can anyone not stand back from this and see it for what it is? John, I completely agree with you on everything you said, people forget you do this for a living. Your experience with criminals and their motives are way above and beyond the everyday person. Love ya Lauren too, you are a class lady, you never rise to the bait, keep up the fantastic work you guys, you are a beautiful, formidable team, much love and respect from a Nana in the Republic of Ireland xxx
What I don't get. His wife had to have viewed that video Dailey on the news. How could she not know
@@BeverlyMurphy-u5l Oh I get it. It's a very common human trait to fail to recognise what's staring you in the face - particularly when you are deeply invested in not recognising the reality of who a person really is.
There are umpteen historical examples of the partners/close relatives of killers and sex offenders, failing to recognise photos/security videos/sketches/photofits/descriptions of their spouse/loved one, when he has been witnessed/recorded at crime scenes.
This doesn't only apply to partners/spouses incidentally, but to all close relatives - the killer's parents, children, siblings, grandparents, and even non-relatives, like friends and co-workers.
Richard Allen is clearly 'Bridge Guy' - he admitted so himself, when he approached the authorities soon after the murders and gave an admission he was at the crime scene at the relevant day and time, and was wearing the same clothes as the guy on the video.
It was him! When Libby's dynamite Smartphone video of him following her and Abby across the bridge was splashed across the TV news and every RUclips true crime channel, he panicked and decided to get in front of the story by coming forward and playing the role of innocent witness. I bet he couldn't believe his luck when the Keystone Cops failed to follow up and summon him to a formal interview - and then left him alone for a whole FIVE YEARS. Supt Doug carter was wrong when he said the killer was, quote: 'Hiding in plain sight' - he wasn't hiding at all!
Despite the ongoing publicity (and unless we hear different at his murder trial), it does not appear anyone gave Richard Allen's name to police - and let's not forget he worked a public-facing job at a CVS pharmacy. Apparently it never occurred to customers the friendly, helpful guy behind the counter could possibly be the short, bearded, middle aged man he resembled on his victim's grainy Smartphone footage.
But many people are shocked that Richard Allen's wife, adult daughter, and all his relatives, failed to recognise him from Libby's video, or indeed from the first suspect sketch (which closely resembled him).
Don't think it couldn't happen to you. Who would easily suspect a loved-one of such an horrific crime? And who knows what self delusion any of us is capable of, when facing a certain set of personal circumstances? We know from the 911 call to his house in 2015, two years before the Delphi murders, Richard Allen had some history of domestic abuse (likely combined with alcohol abuse).
We know no more detail than that, but at the very least it indicates the marriage was not entirely happy or stable. Yet to this day Kathy Allen remains a loyal wife who stayed with her husband. A woman trying to keep a shaky marriage going, will not automatically suspect her husband of being the man behind a high-profile, double child homicide. In fact, it's the last thing she would believe - or more to the point, want to believe.
@@glamdolly30 thank you great explanation. Thank you so much
Watched Colby's video this morning, and I'm like "TWO Dr John videos in one day?! Is it my birthday??
Honest and at times fun to listen to especially when you get to see Colby laugh a bit with John
Happy Birthday!
I don't know, is it ??
@@lepoussinvengeur I guess it is now, I'll have to change it.
@@nicolechampeau8432 hahaha happy birthday, then 🥳
Removing the clothes of a child is ALWAYS sexual assault.
...well. there's diaper changes and so forth. By these girls' ages, yes, though.
@@annedavis3340are you serious? Diaper change is done by parents family or nanny
@@wotiluv all of whom who could be sexual assaulters themselves…
Agree
@wotiluv yes. I am serious. And it is NOT always sexual assault, in the cases of diaper changes etc.
Exceptions are ok to have.
It is SO refreshing to listen to an educated man on a crime channel …. I appreciate the references to classical myth and literature. Delphi indeed .
I agree. This channel is really unique and I'm so happy to have found it.
Dr. John is a real treat !
I know! I feel the same!
@@judyjudy51 most definitely. I come back again and again for this, just as one reason.
Agreed, Dr John is so refreshingly erudite and informed and interesting.
Lauren & Dr John, I live in neighboring small town of Delphi. I’ve been following this case from day 1. Your insights are nothing like anything that’s ever been discussed about this case. Wow wow wow, your analysis is extremely eye opening! Thank you both for all you do, for cleaning up the muddy water and helping us all see things from a clear lense. Thank you Lauren for coming to my home state Indiana to cover the trial.
Are you going to attend any of the trial? I'm about an hour away and am thinking about it but not sure I could even get a seat.
@@Fullmoonfever I actually haven’t thought about attending the trial. I probably won’t bc I work full time
I am a fellow hoosierand passed thru delphi many times going to PU. I AM just 💔 for these families and this town. It has to be tearing town apart.
Possible triggers for murders are 1. happened day before Valentine's Day & Richard allen's daughter was getting married & moving away.
I get so captivated when Dr John speaks
He is so skilled and intelligent and it is so refreshing to hear someone speak, who can offer such value and insight into these topics and the people he discusses. I love when a professional gets deep into the human brain and explains why humans behave the way they do.
Thank you to Dr John for dedicating time to speak to us about all this. And thanks you to Lauren for all your hard work. 🙌
Right??? What a story teller !!
And he backs up his remarks with studies and explains the details so we can easily grasp such complex information. Love Dr. John!
It’s complete bull crap and guesswork
I agree. Such a fascinating man.
@@giggergigger1It’s 30 years of experience after intensive training at a prestigious university gaining a doctorate. Dr John is an authority in the evaluation of sex offenders. If anyone can make sense of RA’s behavior - it’s Dr John.
I really like when Dr. Bae gets righteously angry about a case. You can tell he's a protective dad. Thank you, Dr. John and Lauren for always standing up for the victims and deep diving on all aspects of these cases. You are such a great team and I really enjoy your channel! 🤗
I didn't know when I found your amazing reporting and decided for the 1st time ever that I must become a member. Little did I know I'd also get Dr.Johns amazing views. Two highly intelligent people bringing us different views and bringing us facts all in one place I THANK U BOTH ❤❤❤
I could listen to Dr. John speak for hours! (I doubt one will find a more dedicated, brilliant, and professional journalist than beautiful Lauren!) I’ve listened to you both from the beginning (just audio😊.)
Hear hear !!!❤
What a disgusting irony “child protective services “ building?
You need hours! Much as I enjoy the videos, like a lot of psychologists he is very wordy.
Dr. John is the best. He always shows great knowledge & great sensitivity.
And is so funny!
My god finally someone that makes perfect sense I have been waiting on someone with commonsense !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lauren is a skilled and gifted interviewer. She can guide even shy or awkward guests with grace.
@@karenalford-willett6205 Absolutely agree she is amazing!
@@karenalford-willett6205 totally agree! I’m a huge fan or Lauren and Dr John
True that, this Dr. John fella is quite the awkward fella, I could see even the best interviewers struggling to hold a conversation with him... but Lauren does it with such grace and the conversation flows so, SO well... They have such chemistry on camera, you would think they were married
She let's them talk instead of taking over the interview. It's a great skill.
@@deensama7718 my guess you are joking haha , they are married 😂 if so good one
@Lauren Matthias .. Wow!! Girl! I am so glad you will be there. Couldn’t be a more reliable person to get information from. Thank you!!
As a forensic psych student, while I may not agree with every aspect of Dr. John's opinions, I respect and appreciate this conversation.
36:22 "for the police to respond to a domestic call, it takes a fairly significant incident." No it doesn't. That's not true at all. All it takes for police to respond is a 911 call. It takes a significant incident for them to make an arrest, and if there had been any evidence or indication of actual violence, they likely would have.
Considering he was recommended to be taken to the hospital, I wonder if this wasn't actually a mental health call rather than a domestic dispute
TY for this conversation. It's given insights into some of the questions about this case. I've mostly heard those (including defense attorneys) concerned about a fair trial on social media. This conversation is a much needed balance IMO and I TY. Hidden True Crime is a unique gem in social media.
I am sooo glad that you decided to cover this topic. Dr John is very informative and I absolutely love to listen to you both. ❤❤Thank you ❤❤
Watched Dr. John with Colby Ryan, and I would like to commend him on it. He clearly was a huge help and consolation to Colby. His professionalism and compassion are so refreshing. Colby clearly needed help, and both Dr. John and Lauren have brought him that. Their intelligence motivation, compassion, and skills are so valuable, unlike the numerous loud and often sensational seeking coverage offered.
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🎉CC a new fan of the channel
The thing I LOVE about Lauren and Dr. John is that they are not stubborn in their opinions. If new information surfaces, we'll be here talking about it some more!
Thankyou I appreciate this analysis so much. So many things I didn’t understand have now been given clarity
Finally someone broke this down psychologically. For some reason this case and the Kaitlin Armstrong case didn’t have any real info or expert opinions out there are the psychology of this.
I probably respect John most when he comes out of his calm demeanor and becomes more bold in his tone and body language because he genuinely cares and is upset about these behaviors but also truly passionate about what he does. I love what I do and I get so excited about little biomechanics inventions that excite me so I understand it especially with his compassion. I’ve been watching since day 1 and I remember Dr Babe seeming almost uncomfortable to be on camera at all, he really liked your presence Lauren to help with the flow and direct him, now he’s like “ move out the way I got this!” And I mean that in the best way. You make a great team with your unique talents and I love that you know him enough to know when to prompt or when to not interrupt bc this is gonna be a good tangent. Dr. Babe , thank you for embracing the camera which I know wasn’t likely your cup of tea but we sure appreciate it. Good thing you’re getting more comfortable because you’re going to continue to grow in one direction and have bigger audiences. Still feels like we’re at your kitchen table.
I nerd out too about ballistic missile physics haha. NICHE NERDS UNITE! 🎉
He didn’t break it down using any recent psychological research or practices. Assuming a person is a child killer because he got so drunk he had to be taken to the hospital. That is ludicrous! That is a substance issue, which any psych professional with their weight will understand is a medical issue, and in no way means he will not only become violent, but BRUTALLY kill 2 kids.
I just wanted to send a little bit to help. I totally think Lauren you went out there and gave it your best and brought us the best 😘❤️
You two compliment each other so well, greatly balanced between questions asked & questions answered 🤗
Thank you, Lauren & Dr. John👏
Honestly this is WHY I love this channel. Lauren’s very good recap of the case & journalism. Doc John’s analysis are excellent. I’m neutral on if RA’s guilty or not. It all sounds really strange, but seeing things from John’s perspective, it can make perfect sense. A sincere thank you for covering. Proud to be a patron!
Agreed. Have you checked out RUclipsr Gray Hughes' work on this case? He has been producing top quality content and analysis on the Delphi Murders from day one.
He is a whizz with high tech maps and graphics, and combined with his old fashioned, non-sensationalist, common sense analysis, his videos are superb. In the last week leading up to the murder trial, he has put out compilation videos of his past work, as a recap for those who are not familiar with the case, or need a refresher course.
When you watch his videos, particularly those showing the 'flow of the crime' ie how it all went down at the Monon High Bridge Trail on February 13th 2017 (following Allen's own admissions about his movements there that day), it's pretty clear the killer could not be anyone but Richard Allen.
What you both do is so important; it is logical, experienced and very educational, providing us a broader understanding and factual considerations.
Dr John makes some good points, but it's pretty clear he's not even trying to remain objective and has a strong bias towards Allen. Like the way he blows off and dismisses every other suspect. Honestly sounds like he's interviewing for an expert witness job for the prosecution.
it’s pretty clear you did not listen to the entire podcast. This is no slam dunk case, not black n white and certainly full of HIS experience as a forensic psych. Bias is YOUR opinion. The goal is JUSTICE.
Watched the interview with Colby. Very powerful. Thank you for what you both do.
From one professional to another :
As soon as your emotions get involved in a case..... STOP
He's not a professional in this case though, if you're talking about the Dr. He has no involvement with this whatsoever and therefore he's simply a well educated commentator.
There has been so much secrecy and odd claims around this case. I’m very disappointed that the trial won’t be at least audio recorded which makes this case even more mysterious. I’ve been very frustrated with the lack of transparency which makes me question if there is some type of cover up. As US citizens we have the right to see/hear this case presented in court. Dr John, thank you for bringing us information that I’ve never heard before and Lauren thank you for the probing questions you bring to this discussion.
@@mgkwb2556 2 weeks ago another person did video on y.t. about the sheriff election and the odin cult info. The lost evidence . Sounds like cover up and more ppl involved.
This episode really diminished my opinion of Dr John when it aired but especially now that the trial is in progress. Would appreciate if you guys would address it.
Address what?
@@leeannmorgan8487 yes, this. There were SO MANY assumptions they seem to still be carrying that have come out as blatantly wrong.
I find your content very informative and entertaining. But the relationship between you too always leaves me feeling warm and cosy. It's lovely to see
I understand more after listening to both of you. Thank you
Dr John rocks! Lauren too! Thank you for all your food for thought and expertise! ❤️💃😎
Guilty or not, there’s no excuse for Judge Gull consistently stomping on Richard Allen’s constitutional rights. I’d love to see a psychological analysis of why an experienced Judge would ever behave like this.
Yes, couldn’t agree more! Thank you!
Yes 👏🏻
Also agree
Judges are just humans as we know. To see a good one is becoming rare. Says a lot what is going on in the American judicial system I am afraid, these days.
Oooooh same
I've been following the Delphi story from the beginning. Dr. John has brought out so many things I haven't even considered. He's brilliant.
When it comes to stressors I'd like to add here that not long before the murders his daughter married and left the family home. Also his wife's brother, who apparently both Kathy and Richard were both very close to, died.. This brother was taking care of Kathy Allen's mother who was chronically ill. Kathy had to take more responsibility for her mother after her brother died which took her away from home.
Following this case closely because of a local case that’s eerily similar. Thank you for your perspectives. Please consider looking at the Evansdale case. We need help here.
I guess I dont understand how Dr. John says it is the farthest from coercion. Wouldn’t being in solitary confinement add similar psychological pressures similar to being in a room with a detective and told you can’t pee for 60 hours. I thought (and haven’t researched much) but I thought solitary confinement can cause hallucinations and cause or worsen disorders?
Yes. Prolonged solitary confinement can be extremely damaging to a person's mental health and lead to psychotic breaks which is why people shouldn't be held for more than 30 days. Prolonged solitary is used by the military to force confessions and punish. RA was in solitary for 1 year! I don't understand how he says it's the farthest from coercion either.
@@baystate_mainelyit’s because this man had visits everyday phone time Rec time psychiatrist visits every day he was offered a tv and got way more visits with his wife than any other inmate !! Actually there have been comments made by another inmate who is now released that RA was in his own space for S watch but was treated like Royalty compared to all the other inmates!!!
Watching this post trial.... still just as fascinating! You 2 make a spectacular team! Thank you for doing these joint videos, they're my favorites. 🎄🎄🎁🎁❤️💚
You two are THE BEST partners in true crime! Reporter + Psych Doc! Yin + Yang! So respectful of each other & just adorable!😻
Great episode so much great insight
Dr. John explained this case, and Richard Allen so well. He totally made sense of this awful act. We’ll find out what elements are different in the story, at trial… to see if RA was the one who did it. Thank you Lauren for heading to court to report to the public! I know I have someone I trust gathering the info in the courtroom. I’m so disappointed in the judges restrictions against everything, even audio recording!!
Yes, thankyou Lauren. You tackle the toughest cases with wisdom and integrity.❤
He completely took the prosecution side without challenges. Lots of what was in the PCA was sketchy.
I just can’t believe that these two young girls would go deep in the woods like that? I have two granddaughters and they would never do that!
@@EUZ890 they didn't. They were on a walking trail. If you'd actually seen this area you'd realise that it's not isolated. There are houses along the side of it, trails, a private drive and a road
@@EUZ890 As Prosecutor Nick McLeland mentioned in his abbreviated opening arguments this week, the indications are that one or both of the girls tried to make a break for it and escape Richard Allen, as he led them to the area where he planned to attack them, 'down the hill'.
Their attempted escape, resulted in them crossing the shallow brook with him, and the crime scene changing to the area on the far side of the water.
With respect, I don't think any of us can know for sure what two terrified children would do, faced with an adult male abductor ordering them around at gunpoint.
Libby and Abby were much-loved girls from loving families, raised in a small, tight knit community. Nothing in their lives could have prepared them for the horrors they faced that day, at the hands of a deviant sexual predator who would even kill them to get his twisted sexual kicks.
I am astonished anyone would question why two children were overpowered by the highly dangerous man who confronted them that day. Even if he had not been armed with a weapon, it's entirely possible the girls would have been frozen with fear and obeyed his every command, thinking that would be their best course of action to stay alive.
In fact, as the FBI handbook emphasises, when a would-be abductor tells you to accompany them to 'the second location' it is not in your interests to obey their orders, as that is inevitably the isolated place they plan to do their worst to you, where you cannot escape, raise the alarm or summon help from others (it is worth noting 'the second location' could be the offender's vehicle). Scream, kick, fight and do everything you can to resist winding up at the second location, as the odds are once he gets you there, you will not emerge alive.
Thanks!
Thank you so much! This was SO insightful!!
⭐️great analysis dr john great episode you two really interact well together and cover so much.⭐️
You guys are amazing !!!!
This two hours could not have gone by faster! Thank you Lauren and Dr John for clearing some things up for me. Your knowledge and experience of offenders is invaluable to those of us who've had real life experiences with them, with little real understanding. May justice be served for Abby and Libby.
Best analysis ever on a crime. John M is a true professional in the field. Amazing insight! Greetings from Sweden.
I love that you guys put out such long videos! Dr. John it’s such a treat to get an insight into your extensive knowledge. Lauren, I’m eager to hear your coverage of this case
I want Dr John on speed dial (really speed text) I can text him every psych question I have throughout the day. I love how he ties everything to literature & fairytales!
So grateful for your insights. You've provided very plausible information for why this case feels like there are so many gaps in context. This channel is the only one I've been trusting fully for unbiased and detailed coverage.
Would Dr. John like to come back and reevaluate his opinions
46:10 actually the fish are very easily viewed from the bridge and it’s a known place to do so. Water is crystal clear. It would be a beautiful view. If you’re not scared of heights, why not go there to decompress?
Except fish are dormant in Indiana that time of year!! It was February the o Ly fish that are out that time of year are minnows and you wouldn’t see those from 60 ft up!! Any good Fisherman knows that! It to mention the water was murky according to a picture taken by one of the witnesses that day !!!!!!!
@ you can see fish in the helicopter footage that was taken the very next day, and that was a lot higher than 60 ft
@@RachelDeal2024not true there was fish that day and the point of the matter is that is a park and everyone goes there to walk does he really need a reason to be there? Not defending him just saying why he or anyone is there is not the issue even him having a box cutter on hand is not suspect because all CVS managers carry box cutters. What’s more relevant is his phone mysteriously is missing, his car parked suspiciously and is on camera, his gun fits the bullet regardless it’s a common gun the bullet is near the girls, his voice sounds like BG, etc and a tone of other circumstances that all add up to him being BG
Dr. John sounding out of touch for the first time IMO.
Peers to see fish are all over the country.
Don’t pick that hill.
Wasn’t the vehicle that was parked described as a PT Cruiser? And Richard Allen’s vehicle wasn’t that, if I remember correctly.
@@ProofBeyond a Ford Focus does not look like a PT Cruiser. And a smart car… there are a variety of smart cars, so that is not descriptive.
Another fact that was either conveniently omitted or embolished to fit into John's theory. I'll keep listening with an open mind but so far its a very looong reaching theory to get to RA being the right person. Idk if he is or not but using the same reverse engineering technique as the doctor is l, literally ANY man in Delphi could be the murderer. IJS
And a smart car, a small suv, and a classic sedan. I don’t think they have a clue.
Dr. John, thank you for making this case make some sense!❤
It’s a fascinating conversation. Thanks for doing this for us.
I appreciate your thoughtful, educated commentary, Dr. John! Your two make a great team!
When I watched this live, I was, and still am, upset
But he WASNT moved out of solitary. I hope you start rethinking things when you actually hear the testimony.
@@legallyredone5561 It sounds to me like you've been set in your opinion since before the trial, no? Before you listened to the evidence you seem to already have made your mind up that he was 100% innocent. Not "innocent until proven guilty" but "I know for sure he's innocent". These people have listened to the evidence with an open mind and let that evidence determine where they lean. You, however, won't let any evidence interfere with your already cemented conclusion.
@ Actually, I thought he was guilty but being treating poorly even then. We have to believe in our laws and not treat someone who is still considered innocent, as a felon. However, the more I learn of the evidence, the greater my belief that there is more than reasonable doubt not to find him guilty. To diagnose someone as feigning mental illness based on information from the prosecution, is disconcerting at best.
How about how poorly these GIRLS were treated!!! Feel sorry for him??? Jail isn’t supposed to be fun!! And he is in solitary to PROTECT HIM!! WTF people!! Look at the bridge guy video. It is HIM!!
@@lorieicher6547 Bridge Guy also looks an awful lot like my husband.
Lawyer Lee and Lauren…that is great! What a strange and mysterious case this Delphi case is. I can’t get my head wrapped around all the secrecy.
Yes, many other YT content creators are also in Delhi covering the case!
Sadly police inexperience meant they played everything too close to the vest, and in my view that only hampered the investigation and meant the public could not be of much help.
In addition, under Supt Doug Carter there were multiple, significant missteps in the murder investigation, which meant the killer walked free for an astonishing five years.
One such police mistake was the release, two years later, of a dramatically different, far younger, clean-shaven sketch of the suspect and a much younger age estimate of 18-40 - both of which turned out to be inaccurate, and only further hindered progress in identifying Richard Allen.
The similarly dramatic, belated police TV appeal regarding the fake 'Anthony Shotts' online profile, set up by child sex predator Keegan Kline, was another red herring which had nothing whatsoever to do with the Delphi murders. The Keystone Cops were barking up the wrong tree yet again! They finally got on the right track when they decided to go back to ground zero and revisit the first stages of the investigation five years on, in 2022. This finally led them to Richard Allen.
I believe Allen is their man. He admitted to the authorities early on he was 'Bridge Guy', present on the bridge/at the crime scene at the time of the murders, and wearing the same clothes as the man seen on victim Libby's Smartphone video.
Libby German gave police the best possible evidence on a silver platter - a video, with audio, of the man who murdered her and Abby. Allen should have been arrested within 2 weeks of these homicides, tops!
But shoddy police work meant despite coming forward and identifying himself at the start (no doubt scared because Libby's video of him was all over the news), Richard Allen was not even asked to come in for a formal police interview. Not until his admission was spotted, five years later, was he belatedly looked at, and their glaring mistake became only too clear. It's no thanks to the police that Allen, a highly dangerous man, didn't reoffend during the five years he was at large.
This outrageous delay in catching the killer means evidence against him has inevitably been disposed of and compromised. It has also inevitably weakened public confidence (and potentially a jury's), that police have the right man. It will be fascinating to find out exactly how strong a case prosecutors have built against Allen.
I think that whatever the verdict is, it will never be deemed fully credible because of the official secrecy and cloud of confusion. If Richard Allen at some point confesses in circumstances where his psychiatric status is not in doubt and he gives a detailed and credible account of the sequence of events, that might settle things, but a verdict alone won’t in my opinion. Maybe if the evidence that will be presented forms such a tight web around him that no possibility exists except that he did it, acting alone, then it’s case closed in the public mind, but in that case, why wasn’t he arrested in the weeks after the crime?
@@SometimesPerplexedkinda with you on those thoughts. It’s very unsettling still.
I love how brilliant and the way John looks at things!
Really appreciate the way you laid everything out-much easier to see how it COULD be RA…..looking forward to your coverage Lauren and your analysis of it Dr. John!!
Kudos and thanks to Dr. John for making the essential and often overlooked points that no arrest history *is not equivalent* to no history of committing violent acts and that there is more than one kind of sexual assault or sex crime (I speak from experience as someone who was assaulted as a teen in a way that left no significant physical evidence).
I appreciate both of your perspectives as you approach this case, and am looking forward to hearing more of your insight as the trial gets moving. Thank you, Lauren, for the time and commitment it will take to be there in person!
Fascinating take on this case, Dr. John. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Hi Colby! Loved the interview
There is not a better channel on all of RUclips, imo, in true crime than yours. You explain everything in laymen terms so we all understand, you stick to facts, allow us the opportunity to understand criminal psychology (which is a major treat) and you both are always putting victims and their families, those who know the family first and that should ALWAYS be the case, but unfortunately rarely is. I can not say enough good things about you two as a team, and appreciate you two so much. Keep up the excellent work.💕
Well… This video didn’t age well, did it.
Why do you say that? It aged really well
This is similar to a case in the UK in the 80s known as the babes in the woods case. 2 girls were abducted and killed by a man they knew. He was 19 and they were 9. So it wasn’t a stranger killing but he still had to manage 2 children. He killed them both, SA’d them and posed them afterwards. It took over 30 years to bring him to justice.
I remember that case
Why does anyone doubt that a highly predatory and dangerous adult man with sexual violence on his mind, could control two underage girls?
Such a man could potentially control two adult women too. If you suddenly find yourself in that terrifying situation, confronted by a strange man of ill intent, shock takes over, and your instinct is typically to obey and be compliant in hope that's your best chance of survival.
In fact the opposite is usually true - your safest course of action is to defy and disobey the perpetrator, scream, shout, run and if needs be fight, to get away from him. He is not giving you orders that will help you, after all, they are all for his own benefit, to assault and harm you!
The orders given by the perpetrator are invariably aimed at getting the victim(s) to a second, isolated location (in the Delphi case, "Down the hill"), where he can do his worst to them away from other people who may offer help and a chance for them to escape.
The FBI handbook is clear on this point - never let a would-be abductor take you to 'the second location' - and the second location could even be his vehicle. Once he has succeeded in getting you where he wants you, ie a place where you are alone with him and unlikely to be able to summon help, your chances of surviving the encounter plummet.
Appreciate the intelligence of Dr John, it makes this show way more interesting than other crime shows
I agree. It suits us uber-analytical types to a tee!
But he ignores Odinist events like Anders Bteivik's Utoya & Christchurch where children were killed. The Christchurch gunman even painted an Othala Rune on his rifle and killed a child at worship.
Why do the crime scene sticks read " Futhark' in English when mirrored? Surely mention of early Norse language system established a nexus? This doesn't necessarily exclude the unmentionable early POIs or RA IMO. Even the FBI and LE were exploring Odinism re this crime.
@@Richard-p5j4j context is everything.
It’s all bs and bad guesswork
@@giggergigger1 from a working, highly qualified FP? I think not, though he was clear he was speculating.
Thank you for looking into this you guys were so needed on this case!!!
Especially Dr John
As a trauma survivor you both heal me a lil bit when you look into these hard cases with children
Your care for the victims my heart connects with
Thanks to you both!
Dr John, I’m new to this case. I’ve had some of your same suspicions. Having your POV from a forensic psychologist with your professional experience is so valuable. Thanks!
Thank you so much for this episode. I definitely learnt new details and it was fascinating to hear Dr. John share some of his incredible knowledge and educated opinions. You are definitely my favourite RUclips channel. You complement each other perfectly. ❤
awesome analysis dr john you are brilliant
Not only is he incredibly smart, humble, (AND funny!) he has a very tender heart, and is not ashamed to show his emotion. I can see why Lauren fell in love with Dr. John. I'm beyond lucky to have a fella like that, myself. Rare Gems, indeed @HiddenTrueCrime
Thank you for this insightful conversation! This is why I'm subscribed to your channel. I get factual content, and also psychological insight. You both are professional as well as personal, and I just love that.
Spot on,as always U2,and big hugs to HTC Fam...xxx...
I like and appreciate Dr. John, however this is extremely highly speculative. I would really appreciate if Dr John did an analysis on the living conditions and forced medications to which Ra was subjected, and the likelihood of his confessions being true or false!
Thank you Lauren & Dr. John for the interesting, detailed evidence, thorough, and professional of pre-trial overview of Richard Allen's case. Super good organized and fair presentation. Good Luck Lauren and be safe @ trial. Only thing that is concerning is the video of Bridge Guy isn't an easier identifier.
Both of you are the best. Thank you for all your hard work.
After listening to Dr John it occurs to me that when Richard Allen says he “killed his family” it could be his emotional visceral fear that his actions have destroyed his family because he fears losing his connection to them to such an extreme. Essentially he did kill his connection with his family.
I wondered that too. But nothing yet has explained him confessing he shot the girls and that’s how they died. So 🤷🏻♀️
Alllen has very likely been coerced
@Chaos46992 no. He didn't confess to the police, remember. He confessed to his wife.
@@MegaTinni probably from under being coerced
Maybe that was what he planned to do. He wasn't done but he was caught
When I saw this was two hours, my heart sort of sank, but you are the only channel that I trust will be worth my while. This is my first introduction to the Delphi case.
Thank both of you! I learned a great deal tonight.
You are doing an amazing job taking notes at the trial. You are also doing a great job at describing each day. I can envision the trial as if I were there! So keep up the great work!❤
At ~45 min - Richard's 'watching for fish' comment about purpose on bridge could be a metaphor - as in looking for victims he can catch. Just a thought. Great episode, as always.
Yes! How could he see fish from that high up. I'd look where he liked to go fishing!
From the video I’ve seen looking over the bridge, the water was very clear and even on camera you could definitely have seen the fish.
And he does have a fishing license for years and has photo's of him fishing there.
My thought exactly
My husband and I watch fish. It is relaxing, mild exercise, fresh air.
I heard that indeed one can see the fish because water is so clear!
Where are you getting any of this info? What about him confessing to shooting them, but they weren’t shot, etc? 39:34
I agree, the basis of this analysis and thus the conclusions are so over-reached I had to watch this in three sittings because the level of frustration gets too high for me.
This is someone’s life, and the lives of everybody connected to the crime.
Pointing the finger at someone has consequences! Pitchforks and torches in the olden days, blindsided persecution here.
And at the end of the day, after throwing away the key, we still don’t know who did this, and instead of achieving justice for the girls, we just added MORE injustice to the world.
If he did this, by all means: punish him accordingly. But you can’t base your judgement on lies and assumptions.
One ☝🏼 of the best live shows -thank you Dr. John!
Another fascinating deep dive by Dr John and Lauren. I really appreciate your videos, in helping to educate people about crimes.
Thank you Lauren and Dr John. This was one of the best analysis I've seen Dr John do. I even went back and rewatched several parts of it to absorb what he was saying.
What Dr. John is saying, makes so much sense, about the SA and DV. Also, I was always wondering what the downhill statement meant, so if the girls saw the gun, as heard in the video. He used the gun to get them to go downhill and they were afraid and went, in greater fear of being shot by running away.
Geat discussion. Thanks Lauren and Dr. John!!
I ❤ you two for bringing light to the truth, reporting the unseen and bringing light to the system flaws. Been a follower, but tonight hit me hard. Thanks
I am soooo deeply grateful for Hidden True Crimes taking a deep dive. I was so anxious about trying to hear this trial.
Great content as always !
You guys are a brilliant team. Much respect to both of you.
Hi John - Does the behavior have anything to do with psychosis from solitary confinement as opposed to the "inner turmoil" that you suspect of RA?
@tedlouie Was thinking along the same lines. The amount of reaching done in this video was a bit much. I appreciate nuance thinking and try to keep an open- mind. Idk if RA is the perpetrator or not but I just felt like his analysis was heavily slanted towards RA being guilty from the beginning and then he forced a lot of topics just to confirm his biases. IMO
I deeply admire Dr. John's mind! What a great way to link the Delphi case and the Greek tragedy! Amazing! And, yes, we need a lecture, keep doing a great job, guys!
Hello Lauren and Dr.John;
This was a fascinating discussion. I really gained a lot of insight into Richard Allen. Thank you for that! I stopped subscribing to other channels because I became overwhelmed; however, I have subscribed to your channel because you often discuss topics I find interesting in a well researched, thorough and respectful way. I look forward to more interesting content from both of you.
@@MonnaRooney how have you gained an insight into Richard Allen? None of us have spoken to him, seen SM posts from him or even heard him speak.
This wasn't about him. This was all based on speculation that COULD be about him or anyone else.
Just dropping in to say that I enjoy your channel so much! Dr. John is wonderful and so are you!
I’m so sad I missed the live, but I’m here now. Thank you both for all you do.
I haven’t watched the entire video because it feels like Dr John is saying that RA is guilty when he is innocent until proven guilty. So far the evidence has been very weak. He should never have been forced to be in solitary confinement, in a maximum security prison, when he hadn’t been convicted of a crime.
With all the furor over this crime it is very possible he could've been killed at the county jail. Or in general population. Inmates don't care for (alleged)child murders.
Love you guys !!so informative! John is amazing!