PSYCHOLOGIST on CHAD DAYBELL & the infamous JAMES & ELANA TEXTS
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Do you remember when Chad first met Tammy, upon his return from his mission- he stated he knew he was going to marry a blonde - Tammy was thin at the time with blonde short hair.
I would like Lauren to know that she speaks too rapidly and runs her words together, almost slurring. If she could slow down a bit, I could undertand the entirety of what she says.
I’m ppppp
Jp
I am shocked to that the jailers called him a slug!! I have thought that of him from the beginning. I thought I had come up with this term. 😂 So now, to me, this is his official title!😂
@hiddentruecrime lauren it would be wooonderful if you could get Garth and Melanie Pol. to read the James and Elena story for us. They sound so similar to Lori and Chesus!
P.S ur Chesus hand ballet performance at the beginning of the video was lovely. You were definitely in the moment and feeling it. A soft ladylike chad thumbs up👍!!
Chuds hands are so pretty because he made Tammy do ALL the work.
Good one
….and wore gloves to dig graves in the pet cemetery IMO 🙃🙃🙃
She did all the work but Chad was bored with her because she was too “vanilla” what a raging narcissist he is!
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True!! 🎯
The irony, Chad murdered the most incredible woman in his life.
Killed the most REAL woman in his life too.
Exactly. He seems very insecure but covertly narcissistic
Yeh he turned her into a muted, careful version of herself, then killed her.
Listen to the song " Crazy Man Michael" by Fairport Convention. That's all I can think of when I see Chad.
😢yeah- he did… why not just let her go (divorce is an option)
Mockery may hurt him more than imprisonment. I hope he knows we had a good laugh at his expense.
I was just thinking that. Hope he knows what a joke we all find him.
He'd call it dark humor.
@@Cassie-pt7mt 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They both will be happily ever after behind bars visiting one another through the portals?
On pretty eyes and alibis gigi gave an inside account of what it's like behind bars and a lifer said More often than not people stop believing in a religion rather than having a belief. If this happens lori would realise what they did was horrendous to these kids and Tammy Charles and god knows who ever else.
Not sure she ll come to a realisation though or chad. Perhaps they will. Who knows.
It's all so crazy they gave up their freedom's for some sickness of the mind jmo
I wonder if they will keep him separate from general population? We know how they feel about kid killers.
I really think Lori would have dumped Chad once the dust had settled. Even if they had managed to get away with all the murders, once the everyday reality of living with a loser like Chad [who had sponged on his first wife] became her new normal she would have been shocked to realise that she would have to become the breadwinner. I really believe that whatever insurance money they managed to scam had dried up, she would realised he was a broke loser and he had no intention of doing an honest day’s work.
I totally agree with you ❤❤
I think they were both in limerence.
@@Cassie-pt7mtI think he was in limerence. I think she was motivated by snagging the prophet while being told by the prophet that she was the most powerful immortal goddess in the multiverse. So he was motivated by FINALLY getting to have sex with and marry the hottest cheerleader of his dreams. And she was motivated by FINALLY getting to be god, and oh yeah, the free insurance money from killing all those ppl so she never had to work as a hairdresser again.
How long after the end-of-days doesn't happen summer of 2020 does Lorie tire of Chad?
Don’t forget his plans to put a mobile home over the graves so they could live there.
My heart breaks for Tammy. There is no way he suddenly became this monster. He probably abused her emotionally for years 😢
Chad writes like a teenager and Lori talks like a 15 year old vally girl- what a tragedy that they met-
Lori is from Southern California.
if only they were allowed to join any local high school RPG club maybe it would have ended in a different way
I think it would have eventually happened with another woman... Maybe not exactly the same but similar in my opinion.....
I so agree with everything you've said.
Chad doesnt think he is a prophet. He thinks he can pretend he is a prophet to elevate his standing with people he can fool.
perfectly stated
Well said
This is exactly it. He feeds off the belief others have in him and his lies.
Happy Mothers Day Lauren mother's Day 😊
I am laughing already! Thanks
"Dear Penthouse Forum, you'll never believe the spiritual loin fire I experienced in my portal ...."
You have 24 likes...So 25 of us are showing our age! I used to find those while snooping in my parents room when I was like 12 (in 1990)
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Absolutely hilarious 😂
Lmao lmao
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He's a psychopath. They don't do anxiety. They do excitement, anger, and self-gratification. The dude is such a creep, ...
He really is creepy.
@dsoule did you see how he is more alert when people are crying upset and when the photos of the kids were being shown. Almost like he was taking pleasure in his handy work?
And on a separate note hiding the laptop screen from the bailiff during side bar? Weird af
@@McQuizzicalwhat did lori see in him? Tammy was to good for him but it worries me her kids don't seem to want justice for her killing?
Totally agree
@@sula1529 I've no idea. I think the pair of them are idiots, they both had wonderful spouses. Lori's not a patch on Tammy. If you watch Heather Daybells 3 part interview with Lauren & John, you get an insight into the controling aspects, which stems from his father.
I think Slug had been fixated on his brother Matt forever; his success in business, life AND his beautiful wife. He said Heather had caused him trouble his "whole life". He was also fixated on her, thus his hatred for her when she questioned his visions.
Absolutely
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Yes! You can be assured he fantasied about her and he hates her for that. Sooo jealous of Matt.
Chad Daybell: Worst Midlife Crisis Ever
I just wonder if he still thinks these writings are awesome or is he as humiliated as he should be.
I'm glad this "Love Story" has been made public if for no other reason than to humiliate Chad. I hope his kids read/hear it and eventually realize what a immature creep he is.
But I don't think it did humiliate him! Did you see how attentive he was as it was read in court? I think he is too stupid to realize that people were ridiculing it, instead he thought that it showed how glorious & studly he is. I'm serious! He was not looking embarrassed, fiddling with stuff on his desk, or playing with his hands, but instead had his head turned toward the witness with rapt attention, at least when I was watching. I think he was actually proud of it.
As Dr John said, I found it the most potent evidence to seeing into how his depraived mind worked…ewww shudder…very dangerous
I don’t think for a moment he was humiliated by this. He thinks his juvenile scribblings are good and it doesnt occur to him that people are laughing at him
Totally off topic, but Lauren and John have such a beautiful relationship. Through all of this your relationship has giving me so much hope on what love” actually is.
IMO ! Lauren gives a lot of respect to John. She listens carefully to him. Many times John is distracted and doesn’t look at her, his attention is other places, fidgety … just body language that says he’s better than .
Not so much on this video…generally
And IMO!
@@kaylabryson1932I am not in their relationship, but they seem to compliment one another in their RUclips presentations. From an outsiders’ opinion, you may be projecting
I was thinking the same thing while watching this! They really are a wonderful and down to earth couple who seem to truly enjoy each other.
@@kaylabryson1932Reporting IS her job. He has his own career which is very psychologically and mentally demanding. They are both hard workers.
@@kaylabryson1932where do you come up with that? LOL he’s a doctor! 😂😂😂😂😂 They are a team! Who do you think kept everything going with their kids while she was gone? Sheesh! They both work hard. And so what if one stayed home? Couples do that, still! But they don’t! I don’t know where you even came up with that comment 🤦🏼♀️
It makes me so sad that Chad described his relationship to Tammy as vanilla. How dare he destroy her loyalty to him in this way? If only Tammy had waited for somebody who truly valued and loved her?
Yep, Chad should’ve looked in the mirror more often to see who and what vanilla is
I hope she never knew about this Elena & James crapola
@@SweetUniversei was going to say, at least she never had to hear all of this (i hope).
Although I wonder if it was better for her to know - harsh reality of what he was like. Perhaps somewhere in her psyche she knew. If I was her I'd be so disappointed how her children responded/ accepted Lauri and are paying money into prison account. I wonder how they can justify still doing it (if they are) especially given Chads defense being "it was Lauri" and her brother.
I got the spelling of Lori all wrong in above! Sorry.
James: Im really smart, only 99.99999% of the population dont know it except Elena and myself. 🤣🤣🤣
James is a lot like Kevin Franke like that.
yeah, that's probably why we won't understand and enjoy his 'prose'
Lol. Nicely said.
I found Chapter 3 of "James and Alena" !!
It's a bit short, but here it is:
James began to awaken.
With his eyes still closed, his first thought was of his goddess Alena, whom he would soon take into his arms.
He was looking forward to her soft lips pressing against his and the things that would follow from that.
James rolled over in bed and opened his eyes.
He was greeted by the toothless, stubbly-bearded smile of his cellmate Chucky, who sent him a friendly “What’s up, bro?”.
James closed his eyes again.
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that is hilarious - it was even funnier because I wasn't expecting it - I really bought into it 🤣
@@british4199me too!😂
I hope Chadsta spends the rest of his life in prison Yearning and Longing for Lori !!
Chad loved Lori so much he threw her under the bus very fast to save his own behind
Chad basically kept a play-by-play diary of His and Lori's spiral down from reality.
Just like Keith Raniere from his Nexium cult, the narcissist cult leader wants to record or document their own movements 100% of the time. Ultimately, it’s their downfall! Thank God!
"How not to sext" by Chad daybell!! 😅😅😅😅
“His” ??? He shouldn’t be capitalized
I think Laurie spiraled but Slug knew exactly what he was doing.. just my opinion!
We are focusing on Chad because he authored this mess but when you put the two stories together it’s pretty clear they both need the constant validation and both need to be as important as God himself. Lori had multiple marriages with normal men who expected her to behave like a normal wife and mother, with Chad she was an Exalted Goddess. And Chad used these ridiculous lines on many women and was just waiting for one to bite down on that hook. They are a prefect storm, without them joining together these tragedies would not have happened. IMO they are equally influencing each other and their followers and all are to blame equally. As Larry says, “Who sits and prays for Charles Tylee JJ and Tammy to die and NOBODY stands up and says THIS IS WRONG” Chad and Lori’s delusions were the core of it but there was an inner circle that is also culpable.
If it wasn’t Lori he would have found someone else.
@@ilovepotatoesforever9818 finding another Lori that comes with a built in Alex type doesn’t seem likely.
I cant believe, two middle-aged people carried on like this. Its so bazzar, and the worst is four innocent human beings, had to be murderd, because of thier insane affair. 🤨
I think it's 5 I think Alex although not innocent, he took whatever poison was given to Tammy. He knew he had to.
The mother of all existential crises, huh?
@@SusanaXpeace2u or 6 if you count Joe Ryan! I think any and everyone that resulted in an insurance payout should be looked at! She was a black widow for sure.
Or 7 of you count Tammy's mom.
This story had more loins in it than a meat section at the Walmart 🤦🏼♀️ It’s like looking inside the mind of a psycho, and an immature one at that! I loved Dr John’s analysis of it! Great livestream! I also appreciate Dr John has a heart as big as Lauren’s!
It also had more schmaltz! It was closer to BS then a rump roast.
I agree with you both! 😆
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How sweet of a tribute the Dr gave to his lovely and awesome wife Lauren
I know! So much love 💝 🎉
Yes it was so lovely! And as talking about this case in particular. So lovely to hear a husband truly appreciate his wife. ❤
I can imagine Lori's description of their mad love sessions. "He doesn't have much experience. But it'll get better." 😂
Narcissists put their prey on pedestals in the beginning and do a lot of love bombing.💣 That's how this feels to me.
True
Spot on ❤
All the “we” talk. It’s what is going to signal to the jury that Chad was the perp
What a lot of people don’t realize is that for a narcissist, this love-bombing behaviour actually comes from their intense feelings, and they don’t even know that’s what they are doing. They genuinely think they have found their soulmate. Then when things get “boring”, or they lose interest because they aren’t capable of true intimacy, they’ll start to find problems with the person they idealized in the first place, and then repeat that same cycle with someone else, discarding the first partner without any real feelings toward them any longer. Love bombing isn’t intentionally malicious in the beginning, narcissists really do idealize the person and believe in their own bullshit.
MOST IMPORTANT TO NOTE : Chad was definitely driving this train aa he manipulated the deaths of her side first to test her commitment strength before killing Tammy. He wanted to ensure he really had Lori... He definitely is the mastermind of these murders... So Sick
That's a good point!!
Awful writing. And to think that he felt this writing actually had any value spiritually. Disgusting.
This is very sad to me. Being a victim of my Ex husband who left me for another women. My heart hurts terribly for Tammy.
I am praying for JUSTICE for Tammy, Tylee and JJ and Charles. This was all based on LUST....while Tammy was at home being a good wife and mom Mr. Dumbell was out doing this This letter triggers my past. He's a disgusting pig. I am praying for the death penalty. Happy Mothers Day Lauren. Love your hard work for us.
Lust & Money! So sorry you had this terrible experience 🙏🙏🙏
I think it was more than lust. He was a psychopath and he met a pawn to fulfill his fantasies.
I think being in general population for the rest of his life will be worse than death penalty. The men will make his life more of a hell than it would on death row. He would have to watch his back constantly.
I feel like making this a mockery honors the victims in this. Humor is my coping mechanism. I really feel so sad for everyone, but especially poor Tammy. My heart breaks for her, the more I hear about this "love" affair.
Well said 👍
It's beyond me how any one woman could find him attractive, much less his wife, lori, and any number of girlfriends he has supposedly had. 😳
Psychopaths gotta psychopath.
Some people are easy pleased lol.
I know he’s nothing special to look at.
Even Janis was surprised by Lori being with such an odd duck .
Chad had the attention of a lot of ladies, Lori, Melanie, Melani, Audrey, Christina, Zulema, Serena, Julie Rowe... Do you think it has anything to do with his willingness to bestow 'powers and leadership roles' upon women who typically don't get those type roles in normal LDS life?
When Chad calls her an archangel and a warrior it makes me think he is readying her for the idea of having to do hard things. Like killing her husband and children.
That is a profound insight.
When you speak about Chad being neat and orderly it made me think about the way JJs burial site was described - the stones or rocks in an orderly fashion. I think his burial site was purely the work of Chad.
That's a good observation
I thought this as well. Alex was NOT a meticulous and orderly person in the least. This was also on Chads property where he was planning on living-I don’t think he would have tolerated a messy “pet” cemetery. If he was trying to put a manufactured home on that part of the land, JJs burial site would have been disturbed and potentially exposed if things were not orderly on the surface. I think even covered with a slab, he would be bothered by the disorderly area.
I’m not officially OCD diagnosed, and we’re trying to filter things through the lens of autism (received this year at 39), but I do fit the profile including intrusive. It would bug ME if the area under the slab was disordered chaos-not that I would ever have a body there knowingly.
@@rachelann9362 Exactly. I wonder how far in advance this was plotted and prepared. I’m sure Chad would have planned exactly what would be needed and had everything organized and ready. I remember hearing there was a lot less time for one of the children’s burials than the other. I’ll have to go back and listen. I do think poor Tylee was murdered by Alex and Lori in Loris’s apartment under Chad’s direction. So incredibly evil.
This is such a insightful point. I don't think I've seen anyone else connect those dots.
@@NutellaGorilla-qj4ihI feel like the plan might have been to burn both bodies in the fire pit so there would be little left of them to find but burning Tylee proved harder than they though so they buried what was left of her and just buried JJ as quickly as they could. If Tylee was killed first by Alex, the chaos of Tylee’s disposal was most likely his doing. The orderly burial of JJ was most likely Chad’s doing… IMO 🤷🏼♀️
There’s something that resonates, Chads sweeping desire/lust for “Elena.” Why call her “Elena?” It really dehumanizes her and gives himself permission to unleash himself on her in his mind. It’s uncomfortable to say, but it reminds me of what Hannibal Lecter said to Clarese… “We begin by coveting what we see every day. Don't you feel eyes moving over your body, Clarice? And don't your eyes seek out the things you want?” I think Chad was suuuuper jealous AND envious of his brother Matt, he couldn’t help but want to one-up his brother in every way. Heather, I’m absolutely certain, was prime on Chad and Lori’s hit list. I’m glad the rampage stopped when it did. I pray that the community that allowed this demagoguery to occur LEARNS something!!! Dissenting voices are essential in healthy societies. We can all learn to be more brave and adhere to truth telling and hold integrity dear. I love pot-stirrers like Kay and Heather. You bet Chad feels like he’s been knocked 360 degrees with a frypan when they appear in his thoughts in his jail cell. Still boggles my mind that Chad and Lori thought (and still believes?) that they’re going to get away with murder. Murder. May justice be served cold, for and
Wow, now here’s a thought. Was there a secret lust for the statuesque, tall blond Heather, a woman who was not “bland” in any way? Is that why he disliked her even more? I agree about Matt 100 % and believe that he was one of the reason to move to Rexburg.
I think Chad's jealousy of his brothers' success was a big part of why he shot himself in the foot by showing off his new bride so soon after Tammy's passing. It sickened his friends and neighbors, but it was an absolute need he had to say "See? See what I can get?" as soon as possible. He wanted his brothers and his community to see what a devastatingly virile man he must be to get a woman like that. He thought he had arrived.
Oh my!!! No way! Absolutely! My mind came to the same thing listening to this. Wow...😮
Great observation. 💯 CD mentions at least in one place, I can’t remember where I learned it. Probably on this channel. That CD brings up his sibling’s advanced degrees, and in such a way that he sounds jealous of them and their success. Heather is a physically beautiful woman, she and her husband are successful and have that stunning home and property. Then Heather had a much higher calling in the church than CD ever had, to my understanding. Chad was probably attracted to Heather and hated her all the same time. I think that along with Melanie B. P.’s 2 children, Heather would have been in danger as well. Great comment, I liked reading your thoughts.
Excellent observation! Agreed 💯
I can't imagine how it would feel for Tammy had she known he was writing and feeling this way about another woman
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Who knows what she was thinking? She was on depression meds. Married to Chad, who wouldn't be depressed?
She might have filed for divorce.
Doubt it. I think she was very subservient to him.@@WolfRoss
Though he seemingly never physically hit her, (though the bruising that Prior states was ‘older’ could be evidence of this) Tammy was a victim of domestic violence before Chad killed her. She likely would have blamed herself for not being ‘good enough’. Chad’s family is a narcissistic family system.
If we can't take stuff like this and have a break and laugh and just think of the absurdity of it , then we shouldn't even be in the True Crime because it cannot be dark all the time
Totally agree! ❤
It is hitting harder during this trial. The innocent people who lost their lives truly loved and trusted these evil people. So tragic and sad.
You guys laughter is the best antidote to all this pain and misery of the case.
I felt bad when Dr.John needed to pause when thinking about the victims here. I think its okay to laugh at the absurdity of Chads writing because this is such a heavy case and none of us will ever forget Tylee,, JJ and Charles. I choose to believe that they are in a safe and loving place now and would laugh along with us.
Happy Mother’s Day, Lauren! 💕🌸🌹🌷🌻🌼
And Tammy❤! I thought i included her.
My husband says this book is the his prison sentence, what gives him his guilty verdict. I agree he wrote his own evidence, but his narcissistic mind just doesn’t see it.
How does he think he's a profit when the only profit is insurance payoffs?
In an alternate universe, Charles and Tammy met after he emailed her and lived happily ever after. Better story than The Slug's dopey tropes.
They would have made a beautiful couple. And what a wonderful mom Tammy would have been to little JJ.
Find someone who loves having you home and appreciates you the way Dr John loves and appreciates Lauren. ❤
Narcissists emotional maturity is stunted at the age of 6/7 years. They are also terribly insecure and spend much of their energy developing a persona that others admire. This admiration is required because they are deeply insecure. How do I know? I was married to one and once I no longer loved and admired him because of his infidelity he turned into an ugly person who threatened my life. Never underestimate a narcissist!
I cant even believe a human , even one, could fall for this creep, I have been married for over 30 years, we are vanilla and we have a wonderful marriage full of love, understanding and RESPECT. So GO VANILLA, it doesn’t mean bad.
I know this was tough for Dr. John to revisit, but I have never listened to this before and want to present the opinion that it is actually important to recognize the absurdity. If more people were exposed to this fantastical love-bombing, and more importantly see the absurdity of it pointed out, perhaps more people would question love-bombing if it occurs early in a relationship and realize it is not coming from a healthy mindset and may even be coming from a manipulative and/or conniving one. So, thank you for reliving this.
I have a theory for Dr. John - Perhaps Chad's father favored one or more of his siblings, so this prophet business is his attempt to give himself the importance to counteract his feelings of inadequacy in his male role. This would also have been exacerbated by the church's lack of giving him a role of importance, such as bishop. I think his "vision" of Tammy dying early was really a wish. He saw her as inadequate in his fantasy world and he didn't like that, in his mind, she reflected his normalcy. He wanted someone who appeared extraordinary to elevate him to his fantasy self. Bless Tammy's sweet heart for dealing with this clod for 30 years. He didn't deserve those years from her.
“Finally,…found someone, They can trust and confide in.”
To me this is very telling.
This is my favorite episode so far. Made me laugh, made me cry. Laughing not because it’s funny but so ridiculous. Dr John’s psychological insights were helpful and made so much sense. Chad has such low self esteem he has to overcompensate by coming across as a powerful leader with all the answers.
Thank you. Happy Mother’s Day. You two make such a cute couple❤
Yes, i found it very insightful also. I am sure his speaking and books helped his self-esteem
I love when Lauren and Dr John take time out to praise each other. It’s very special that they let us see that. It keeps me believing in love and romance.
Kudos for not throwing up in court
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1:18:07 I just feel so immensely sad for Tammy. This man disrespected and devalued her in her life and her death and he keeps doing it til this day.
I agree with Dr. John. I, too, feel some empathy for Zulema. To be sexually abused from age 7 from a father figure and to grow up in such a toxic abusive environment as she did left her vulnerable, broken, and alone. She was desperate for love, connection, family, and a place she felt secure. She tried to find those things in marriage but after 6 failed attempts she was still searching. People like Chad and Lori look for types like Zulema to recruit as damaged, lost, lonely, misplaced people in society are the easiest to groom and perfect to manipulate. People like Zulema never stand a chance once they're sucked into a cult like environment. This in no way excuses the fact that, like others involved, who knew what was going on, she should have spoken up. She clearly knows more than she's let on, and the defence is going to hit her hard as a result of that. It will be interesting to see whether Prior is able to extract more of the truth from her when she next faces him.
Did anyone notice Jason Gwilliam described Chad’s books as an “easy read” while in the stand ? I thought that was a slight dig at Chud’s writing capabilities 😂
Wait ..Mr "our marriage is too Vanilla" only has 2 favorite positions with his Elena? Omg ...
When y'all were speaking on "Elaina" and James" possibly not believing in "Premarital-Loinfire extinguishing"...Like they're "too good" for that but totally go on a serial k!lling spree...The first thing that reminds me of is Letecia Stauch, Shanda Vander Ark and Shanda's son Paul Ferguson. All 3 of them are uncomfortable with cusswords and go out of there way to not cuss. BUT they ALL TORTUR3D a CHILD in thier immediate family...to D3ATH. The 3 of them STILL show zero remorse, as if the murd3r was justified...But they're "above" cussing. 🤬🚫🙄
It is a common masking feature of psychopaths to want to be seen as upstanding citizens, helping children in visible roles, etc etc. These two are psychopaths who found themselves together.
Hearing Sheila , chad’s mother giving testimony was an eye opener. Obviously she was nervous bless her but she was giggling when asked were you surprised him been married two weeks after Tammy’s death ? She came across as childlike, shallow co dependant/ pleaser . So how can a mother who hasn’t got developed Adult parent children and this doesn’t come out as a result ? That’s why poor women was putting up with them belittling her and be rude cruel to her … her sense of self was a child not an Adult. Maybe that’s how chad learnt from his dad that women are to be controlled not valued ?
I was thinking the same. I wonder what we know about Chud's father, because I suspect raging narcissist there too. As was Lori's father.
It’s their religion.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree underdeveloped sense of self is due to many factors not only religion. Also narcissistic people use anything to gain power and maintain control. She has grown up to accept it.
"That MUTUAL reciprocal influence/radicalization that pushes them into that fantasy world that they cannot escape from (...), not managing to distinguish fantasy of reality; and the danger of living in that fantasy territory when there is a lack of empathy" That is so much accurate, Dr. John! Thank you!
LDS, did you notice that Chad is literally quoting Saturday's Warrior in his story? "Heard that voice before, seen that face before.."
I started singing the lyrics to The Circle of Our Love as soon as I heard that part of Chad’s “original” story! 🤣🤣🤣
Actually there are many parallels to Saturday's Warrior themes "These are the stronger warriors, saved for Saturday", "they must learn who they are and why they're here" (= James and Elena, to lead the 144 000)
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Lauren- re: your cough. If it’s a mostly dry cough that’s hanging on and on after a cold/ respiratory illness, you may benefit from from talking to your doctor about getting an inhaler (like for asthma). Sometimes the illness causes the cough, the cough causes irritation/ inflammation in the airways, which causes more coughing which causes more inflammation- and it becomes self-perpetuating until you use something to calm the inflammation. Worth seeing your primary care doctor about.
This RN agrees 100&
I've been worrying about covid going round and round that courtroom - remember it hasn't gone anywhere, we're just not testing and tracing anymore. Home tests are expired. Repeat exposure increases risk of long covid, cardiac and other complications.
@@kpanycYes, I agree and have been worried about that very thing!
Just eat some dutch drop
This is the epitome of a supportive, healthy and loving marriage and partnership. You can just see how they adore eachother and really respect eachother and their crafts. It's so awesome. Both brilliant in their own minds and my favourite channel.
Dr. John's the man!I have so much respect for him.
The line about them being alone morning, noon, and night really stood out to me. That shows additional motive for the murders. They wanted to be alone all the time because they wanted to have sex whenever they wanted.
Something worth considering is the impact their religion had on their behaviors. Chad writes about limiting their sexual activities by keeping clothing on and then he gives it a religious tone by giving her a spiritual blessing during a sexual encounter. Yet where was the religion when it came to taking the lives of their family members whose main crime was being an inconvenience to their ability to have time alone? I also think Chad's description that Lori's love made him mad and crazy is accurate.
It's not religion and it's not religions fault. It's the way they decided to perceive it and in this case it's the way they decided to take something and use it to manipulate each other and others. It's individuals making horrible choices and using whatever they can in their lives and use it to do their own evil purposes. And that can be any thing somebody has in their life and no blame goes to something completely and utterly outside of these human beings and their actions just because they decide to use it in their evil evil plans
And anybody who blames religion is doing exactly what these people want. Anybody who blames religion is taking the responsibility at least in part from the shoulders of those who are doing things they absolutely know are wrong
What's a bloom moppet? Did I hear that right? 😅
Chad is an evil person. He was disloyal to his beautiful wife. He is a murder and will spend the rest of his life in jail, then in the next life he will be punished by Heavenly Father. He is a very sad person.
@@CatkinNomi, I heard blue Muppet. Not that that makes any more sense.
You two are so awesome together. Truly. Both of your faces just light up when interacting with each other & and it's a beautiful thing to witness. Thank you!
Omg I never noticed he said “the scientific phenomenon known as loin fire “ 😂😂😂😂😂
What in the actual….???? What a freak
Awh Dr. John you are such wonderful husband to Lauren. I know you really missed her . I'm happy to see you both with each other. Thank you for your sacrifices and hard work.❤
Geez Lauren you got yourself an amazing man that he's so sensitive and thoughtful... I’m not sure if I knew that men like him existed. You are that’s a lovely couple.
Thank you so much for making such a dark case a bit lighter. We needed this. So nice to see you together.
On the rewatch crew. I'm so glad y'all read this. It offers some levity to the horrific pain and destruction left in their wake. This is like having a harlequin romance novel being read😂😂
I’m DYING on the hands 🤣🤣🤣 it’s the weird, slow actions coupled with the poor posture slump. Also, kind of T-Rex-esque, close to the body and awkward 😂🤣😭
His posture is making faces.
Lauren did his hand movements super well tho. I was cracking up watching her do that.
T Rex with ocd!! 😂😂😂😂
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My mom would say, “ He’s very effeminate” 😂
RIP to my Mom 💕
Yes! He doesn't walk - he waddles like Barney on Barney and Friends.
Pictures of Slug grave “digging” is the ultimate soft handedness I’ve ever seen. It’s truly laughable.
Maybe he wore gloves?
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree it was the way he was holding the shovel.
The reaction of John listening to this again reminds me so much of Heather Daybell’s reaction. She said it was visceral and made her physically ill.
Why would Chad argue with the witness saying Tammy lost weight???? That could play into his defence that she was sick. He really must of just hated her. I'm just so sorry for sweet Tammy. She gave her life to care and love others who can't even speak up for her after she was killed. ❤
So, So happy to see Dr John back!!
Welcome back Dr. John.
Such a great guy
Agree
Where can I order or buy Dream? I also have trouble sleeping,
Dear Bruce Porter, Thank you SO much for your presence during the "Loin Fire phenomenon." Offspring would have created an even BIGGER disaster...
Lauren said she has figured out who Bruce Porter was. Who was he?
YES to Loin Fire being a middle school story. You unlocked memory of the time I wrote a preteen smut novel about 2 of my 8th grade classmates. My mom found it and her and my dad read it and laughed so hard. They actually kept it with some of my other "creative" literature pieces🤓. I had to hunt that back up and destroy it before my mom read it to my Aunts or something
Oh my I loved your “Chad hand-ballet”. I laughed out loud with your gentle commentary of the ballet.
The only thing that's true with Lori and Chad is they are nuts. They fell off a tree together. Really nuts. How do two nuts find each other. Wow it's truly unbelievable and scary.
Many other nutty people still believing in these beliefs…Visions of Glory still a #1 book in Utah!
@@ilovepotatoesforever9818wow I can't believe that book is #1 in Utah still 😮
I love the "lunch live" it cuts through all the extraneous material and hits the most important points ... you are extremely knowledgeable about the subject matter!!! Also love your podcast.
I love the lunch live too! I watch alone and it feels great to have a place and a group to debrief the craziness with. It's also cool to get the inside scoop on what's going on in the court room. The lunch lives are the best!!
I always look forward to Dr John’s psychological insights on criminal behavior. I never liked crime shows until I found your RUclips channel. The two of you work perfectly together.
You really are a power combo. I've tried and grown weary of a ton of channels. This is the only one I really respect and trust.
I think it could be really interesting to also have a conversation about Mormonism, patriarchy, standards of beauty, and behaviors around pretty privilege in the culture. I think it would also be interesting to talk about pretty privilege and patriarchy as women age. I think Lori's behavior had a lot to do with the fact that as she aged, she wasn't getting as much attention as she had gotten before. At that point she needed something else to make her feel special so when Jaba the Daybell came into the picture telling her she was a goddess she jumped at the chance to feel special again. This was a woman who lead with her looks her entire life... Her looks were fading and she needed something else.
I think Lori found the kids to be obstacles, and and Chad agreed whole heartedly
Honestly I think they both did because Chad has all his kids as light. He’s the one I wholeheartedly believe planted these seeds and she bought it hook line and sinker
I'm struck by John's reaction during the reading. He needed a moment. As Lauren laughed, John was quietly remembering the victims. Thank you, John, for that.
But also, as she said, she is living this darkness everyday in her face in the courtroom. He’s just now taking this in…
I noticed today that Lori copied Melanie (niece) Powlowski' wedding on the beach..
Wow, good observation. She was a vacuum
@@SusanaXpeace2u narcissists copy...
I dont think Tammy ever told Chad he was a loser , Chad knew and felt it inside of himself .She was better than him in many ways and made him feel inadequate and he took it out on her.
Whatever Chad is doing with his hands, he is doing it in a manner that would be socially acceptable in church. It might actually be one of the traits that persuaded people that he was a man of God.
Out camping, in perfect timing to the story, a loud clap of thunder that lasted for over a minute. Then came the rain.😅😂
Goodmorning everyone from Namibia.
I just love you two. You are the perfect True Crime couple
Agree
Agree!! ❤👍
You're sensual reading of Chad's childish crush on the Goddess is hilarious!
Laughing at the writing is okay and makes the whole thing so extraordinary. I am so happy that Tammy’s friends got to let us know more about her. Do you think that Kay would ever be able to tell us a bit more about Charles as I feel he is an unsung hero. I completely understand if she doesn’t want to. Love you both. Am getting the article recommended.
I love Lauren’s impersonations of Chug.
I always find hard to believe that people is willing to kill for sex, that is so deplorable. I find Chad and Lori so despicable and gross 🤮
You two are a terrific example of what listening to one another in a relationship looks like. And having respect for each other. I find you both so very likeable as well with great insight and observational abilities.
As truly awful as all of this is, I’m glad this is public. I hope Chad’s children are able to hear and receive this evidence and all evidence against their father. I pray their eyes are opened, they are able to heal, and do better and not defend their father. Prayers for Chad’s children.
Lauren you just shine as you return back home!!! I'm so happy your home with your darling family! Thanks for all you do to communicate this trial to us!
And he had the nerve to tell his brother-in-law his marriage to Tammy was vanilla. I think Tammy thought the same about him. Or worse!
Yay Dr. & Queen BABE!!! 🥰🥰🥰 Happy Mother's Day Lauren!!!
Thanks for reading this creepy crappy text, guys. Also thank you for toning it down a bit after the first half. I get that there's a human need to take things a bit lighter considering all the atrocities. I think the tone you're using in the second half is more appropriate considering the whole tragedy.
Good morning from Hamburg, Germany. So great to see you both together on Mother's Day. Thanks for all your work & thoughts - and humour.
I tune in from Central Coast, NSW Australia. Each day the trial starts is midnight here. So when I wake the next morning I search your lunch live update. I really appreciate the updates. Happy Mother's Day Lauren your a wonderful Mumma!
Same. I’m in the Central West.
To laugh is to lighten the blows of his immaturity. It’s perfectly ok to allow yourselves some relief, through laughter.