my favorite interaction with Micah is when they're roasting Bill about his actual first name. it's the closest I see to the two of them having fun together.
I don’t know about feeling and love and sorry for him.XD I just hated him and wanted him to die so much before he was revealed as the rat. And i mean in a good way as a good villain. I can say if Micah was just dead or something ever since blackwater or before and maybe remove Bill. The whole gang would have been fine.
@@thatboyjudas9861 yeah doing really bad way to try and fit in then, as he is being and asshole and a creep to everybody as I always just wanna punch him nearly in every scene he has.
Hell, no two playthroughs of my own do I have Arthur dressed the same. There's one I dripped him out like a Union soldier and seeked out and killed Lemoyne Raiders for like 4 hours straight. God fucking damn it, I just realized. Videogame characters like Arthur are just barbies for dudes. Playing dress up but you have 19th century swag instead of dresses and shit.
@@lsswappedcessna My friends and I would always call going to a clothing store in any game _'playing barbie dress-up'_ , one because it was funny, and two because we all knew that's exactly what it was.
Micah envied Arthur. Sometimes that translated into Micah trying to befriend Arthur, other times it translated into him mocking Arthur. Other times, copy or emulate him. By the end of the game it was trying to kill him, and otherwise replace him as Dutch’s right hand. But it made Micah a very complex character and so so so good.
yea i always thought micah respected arthur and admired his competence during the beginning of the game but as he got closer to dutch, arthur became more of a threat to him so his respect turned to jealousy. like you said
@@crunchysalmons I believe Micah respected and admired Arthur in the beginning, but Arthur never saw it, and never said anything about it, but instead he got mad when Micah made a mistake, and if you weren't recognized by people you liked and admired, this "admiration" will turn into jealousy and it will get worse and worse
Micah respected Arthur because he saw Arthur as stronger than him, so he wanted to be his friend. When Arthur got sick Micah started seeing Arthur as weak and disposable. He'd never dare to fight a healthy Arthur
The part that made me kinda wish he wasn't the rat was where if you go to the little shack behind shady bell where micah usually is there is a note that his brother sent him where Micah tried being nice and gain his relationship with him only for him to tell Micah to never talk to his family again.
I mean if his own brother hates him and wants nothing to do with him that should tell you how rotten of a person Micah’s been his whole life. Don’t forget, Micah’s a manipulator. Every time he’s acts nice to someone it’s always cause he wants something from them.
@@SCARRIOR Abd that speaks volumnes about how badly the terd Micah Bell has begun to smell. When your own family can't put up with your stench any more its time for someone to give you a courtesy flush don't you think?
@@SCARRIOR yeah but Amos wanted to make amends for the things he did and said in his letter that he promised to protect his wife and children from all that is evil in the world which he knows his brother definitely is
The thing about Micah is even though he’s a monster and a total snake, there’s something profoundly sad about him. There are moments where it seems like he genuinely wants to at least try to bond with the others, but due to his own volatile and rude nature, it just doesn’t work out. He knows he’s too far gone, so he gives up on any chance of that and figures he might as well just keep being awful and throw everyone else under the bus.
There's a letter that can be discovered in the game (forgot where, you can look it up) it's from Micah's brother to Micah, basically telling him to stop contacting him because he has a wife and child now and has no intention of letting Micah be a part of his life. I think it was mentioned that their father was even meaner than Micah, but his brother turned out fine and just wanted to get the hell away from his own family. Maybe Micah loved his brother but the feeling wasnt mutual. Hence the sadness you mentioned might have contributed to using controlling behaviour to get people to like or admire him
They bounce off of eachother so well, it's insane. The entire game could have just been a buddy cop style situation where they constantly bicker while shooting down loads of people.
@Jastrikis Well, that's sorta true. Bill and Javier like him under very specific circumstances (drunk as hell). I'm not entirely sure what I meant when I said that, so I'm retracting my statement.
It's in his nature , he survived as a child by escaping at any and all cost . Lost his soul a long time ago , he just does what he knows what to do and I can respect that to a point .
we have to say, Micah had a really cruel father. so he more got really psycho from him. i think would he get away from him as a baby, he maybe would have even a completely different human being. even that quote he wishes a friend is kinda sad to what he is becoming.
You know from the bigger picture he was the hero of the story by bringing the gang down. Sure he probably was one of the worst people in the game, but if we lived there and then as NPC's we'd probably be grateful as fuck
yup. i really don't get all the hate the character gets. like bruh it was clear from the very beginning he was selfish and heartless. i personally hate dutch way more for acting like a good soul and then betraying the gang
I think maybe I've played the game wrong. It felt like I didn't really have that much interaction with Micah up until around the 4th act, by which point he'd become an insufferable dickhead who I wanted to antagonise at every encounter.
@@KrayzListerine - He pretty much was, and you didn’t interact with him too much until probably the third chapter. It was obvious from the beginning that Arthur couldn’t stand him, but Dutch let him grow into the devil on his shoulder. Micah wasn’t just a brutal, dumb murderer, he was actually a pretty smart, manipulative prick who was playing a long-con (and had seemingly done so most his life). There’s just some little things - like the letter you find of his outside Shady Belle where he was writing his brother and his brother told him if he came near the family again they’d kill him…when his family ran as a gang together. Idk I just felt like there was more to him than just being an obvious bad guy.
He made two racist jokes right at the beginning of the game. Him being the snitch and villain was foreshadowed from the start; only way not to see it is to be made of the same wood.
In an alternative universe I can see Micah’s and Arthur’s relationship being healthy with honest criticism, keeping each other on their toes and not letting the other slip up. Like a brotherly rivalry.
Peter Blomquist absolutely fucking killed it as Micah. Despite being a villain and definitely being evil, I never could fully hate Micah. He brings this chaotic energy to the table that I find really entertaining
I remembered it very vaguely but during the gang party after saving Jack, Micah said something like “There is no good or bad person, there are only good/bad things you did.” I think this befits him and Arthur very accurately. I tend to think him as a person who did the wrong things he believes to be right or “necessary evil”.
Honestly, Micah being the rat took me by surprise. I knew he was a vicious, spiteful little bastard, but I also thought he was far too proud to ever admit he was on the losing side. Was expecting that towards the end of the game, Micah wouldn't exactly be a _friend,_ but someone with whom Arthur would share a sort of unspoken, begrudging respect.
Felt like Micah was a forced villain. Like I get the vibe the game is basically shoving it in your face "Hate this guy, YOU HAVE TO HATE THIS GUY, he's evil, see he doesn't even like dogs!" Like okay we get it. Well written but not a realistic character.
@@theysellsoulscheaphere8501 he’s pretty realistic character. A coworker that does the job just as good as you but doesn’t get along with you. Nothing forced at all. You don’t even know he’s the villain until the end, don’t know what so forced about.
@@youngnat well you can tell he's gonna be a problem from chapter one, and by the end of chapter two(depending on when you get him back to camp) hes already got dutch wrapped around his finger. Pretty obvious he's the villian.
@@youngnat I agree with you, but honestly in a big gang of outlaws being unpopular was equal with being dead because no one really liked Micha besides dutch, and there's so many times where someone could've just capped Micha n went "welp the bad guys did it, sorry boss"
Not gonna lie. Micah is one of the best antagonists in a game I've seen. All his scenes have this same chemistry, and he's the kind of character you love to hate by the end. Ironically, it was this scene that made me think he'd turn out to be on Arthur's side going against Dutch for a bit, and it's really a testament to how good his acting was. You didn't know where he stood, where his loyalty was, or what he wanted until it was right up front. Solid villain, and if anyone has any suggestions for characters I might like, I'd love to hear em. I'm looking for one to put out Micah here lmao
I always had a soft spot for Bill. He was big, clumsy and not very well spoken so we was often misunderstood. He's full of confliction because it's easier for him to come off as a giant idiot rather than be the real Bill. His discharge papers suggest that he was thrown out for a "don't ask don't tell" type thing. and you could tell that he tormented Kieran because he most likely had feelings for him, which makes Kieran's death a lot more sad when you think about it. Bill couldn't outwardly express his grief or his comrades might see that and think less of him... One of my favorite moments with Bill is when he, Uncle and Reverend Swanson are sitting around a fire at Shady Belle and Bill is talking about how everyone perceives him as dumb and how he feels like he's more than that. Idk, maybe it's just me but Bill is a way more complex character than what you get if you just look at the surface.
@@DJGrimboSlice see, my read on the situation was that the gang were well aware of and fine with or indifferent to Bill being gay, while he was really the only one who thought it was a problem. Hosea even makes a good natured little joke about it early on as if it's common knowledge.
@@DJGrimboSlice I had a soft spot for Bill the moment the braitheweights took little Jack and Bill was the first to jump and volunteer himself to go let fly at em and get Jack back. I'm still unsure how I feel about him tbh
I wish we had more characters with Micah's style of charisma. I feel like he has this way of keeping you on your toes, where you have absolutely no idea where he's going with his sentences, but at the end he gets his point through.
I honestly really like Micah. Sure he did rat out the whole gang but, from Chapters 1-5, he was definitely my favourite character. Heck, my favourite mission in the game revolves around breaking Micah out of prison. That’s why Micah was so good, cause he was so entertaining
Imma be honest, if Blessed Are The Meek? is your favorite mission, then you have shit taste. Seriously. We got legendary iconic missions like Pouring Forth Oil 4, Jim Milton Rides Again?, Sodom? Back to Gomorrah and A Quiet Time but you chose THAT mission? Fucking hell, I'd rather have you pick Country Pursuits or The Course of True Love over breaking the rat out of the prison where he belongs.
I remember the knowing smile I got when I told my colleague (who'd finished the story) that my favourite character so far is Micah, he's just so compelling. Still a great character, they all are.
there are a LOT of scenes where I wish Micah wasn't a rat. he reminds me of Trevor and he's a good shot. Imagine if he and arthur actually got along, they'd be pretty much unstoppable
I remember before the game came out and we only saw the trailers, everyone thought Micah was gona be Arthurs reckless, badass friend that always had his back, especially because of his "sons of Dutch, makes us brothers, sometimes brothers makes mistakes" line
When I first played it when it came out. The way he went after Sadie in the beginning I said to myself he's gonna be a problem I just know it. And I was right.
Micah was such a great character in every way, unique holster configuration and draw technique, styled yet simple outfits, one of, if not the greatest villain in gaming history.
Problem is; Micah was full of words but most of them didn't mean anything. Even if he says he wants a friend, there's no good reason to believe him because his actions often betrayed his words.
Truth is , he could fit to the gang , if you played enough this game you saw him getting constantly rejected by all the gang members not anyone letting him a chance !that make the story even more full of sense when Pinkerton catch him , he rats on the gang because he had no one to care about , I mean even Strauss died over torture and didn’t spoke
They rejected him because he was a massive cunt toward pretty much everyone but Dutch. Creepy toward the women, racist as hell toward the minority gang members, and constantly hostile and rude toward the rest. He's a great character, not becusse he's somehow misunderstood, but because even when you know what he is he's so well acted that sometimes his worm tongue effect can make even us as outside observers question what we know to be true about him as a character.
@@burninsherman1037 that’s a fine analysis of the character , may I add that on my second playtrough I had the chance to trigger a lot of dialogue line with the gang and at Clemens Point camp during chapter 3 he’s really trying to be , most of the time , friendly with the folk at camp and polite but he always get rejected in a rude way Things just don’t match between him and the gang during all the story reason why he had to rats the gang to the Pinkerton
They reject him because they're afraid of him, and rightfully so... After all they're a gang, and not nice innocent citizens, ready to give someone the benefit of the doubt. They're probably used to seeing people who're Micah's type.
@@lucabrazzi7112 Honestly that's mostly because people already got a view on Micah's bad side time and time again. Dutch's gang was a family, but Micah saw it as nothing more than another outlaw gang he was riding with until they were all killed or arrested and so he would be on the run again. Micah's personality might have been able to fit in, but Micah's morals behind what the gang meant, didn't.
@@lucabrazzi7112Part of the incredible voice acting that the character has is that whenever Micah seems to be saying someting "nice" or being "polite" it never feels genuine it feels like he's being sarcastic it always feels hypocrite like he's lying and that's part of why i think most of the gang didn't trust him. I don't feel like he was nice to anyone ever in the game all the members of the gang dislike him for that, except for Dutch and at the end that was what doomed everyone.
I think we remember Micah's motives very differently, cause I've always seen Micah's supposed closeness with Arthur as Micah looking for info to feed to Milton, or to use it against Arthur to hurt his standing with Dutch, depending on the info.
I was recently thinking about Micah and his motivation to turn the gang inside out. What did he hope to achieve by turning Dutch against his own family? He seems to me like a lost soul, jaded and full of anger after a life of disappointment. I think even Micah could have become a better person with the right guidance, but instead the very things that made him an asset to the gang were the same things that ultimately drove him to destroy the only family he probably ever had. He's a walking tragedy who brings his ruin to everyone he gets close to, but you can tell he wasn't always like that. Something made him that way, something we never get to see or hear about
It's revealed that it runs in the family, Micah's father and probably grandfather were just the same and were survivalist that held other human life pretty low on their list. It's a shame in a way Micah was always doomed to be a vile cretin but that doesn't excuse all his crimes, canon Arthur and John both made the effort to change their ways and help people, but Micah decided to continue being a opportunistic bully which he clearly enjoyed till it came back to bite his ass
@@flyingrancidm00nfish7 while it does run in his family, I do think Micah also did things to get Dutch’s approval. He wanted Arthur’s spot in the gang. That’s super obvious. He wanted to be Dutch’s right hand man. But he’s too much of a loose canon and Dutch realizes it by the end on the cliff. He sees Micah is in it for survival and Arthur did everything for Dutch. That’s when Dutch leaves because he realized he favored a maniac over someone who was like a son to him.
Here’s why I think he brought the gang down: Micah was greedy, and saw Dutch as a money making opportunity. He wanted the gang to grow weak, so he helped the pinkertons to kill off as many gang members as possible to the point it’s just him, Dutch, Cleet and Joe. So when the time’s right, he could turn on Dutch and take the money the gang has made without it being much of a challenge. This is why in chapter 6 Dutch constantly says: “we need more money”. he only said it a few times in chapter 4 because Hosea helped Dutch plan things out. However after he died, micah planned things for Dutch and told him he needed as much money as possible, (including the money in blackwater). This would also explain why he got angry after Dutch turned around on him before Arthur’s death. Because he lost his trust. Therefore he can no longer make any more stacks of money, and he lost the chance to get the money from blackwater.
@@KingjakeStudios i dont think he wanted a weak gang, micah is a survivor, i remember him saying that they dont need weak people or people that doesn't bring money in the gang, most of the members were useless (Pearson, Uncle, Reverend swason, the girls) micah wanted a small strong gang that can fight (Micah, Dutch, John, Arthur, Bill, Javier, Lenny, Sadie) people that can fight and can bring money in the gang, he used to say that to arthur till arthur became sick, when arthur became sick, micah knew that arthur is no more strong as he used to be and he was a liability, thats why he turned on him, and sometimes i think micah was right, i mean most of the members were useless, sleep all day, drunk, never bring money in, never take part in a score
I don't think he could change at any point, and here's why - childhood (applause for my psychoanalysis please). But for real, looks like his dad was a real psycho murderer as well, and he taught him from a young age that survival is all he needs. Throw in potential abuse, maybe something to do with his mother, some trauma, and boom - you get this. Maybe he learned how to manipulate people in order to stay safe and bring money into the family. If he was hit by his parents, that means he probably sees the whole world as his enemy and as untrustworthy, so he realizes he has to fight dirty to survive.
Other moment that makes me wish he wasn't a rat is a conversation you can have with him after Arthur escapes the O'Driscolls and recovers. he apologize for it and even sounds genuinely sorry for that
Just imagine if Micah and Arthur would have got along. It doesn’t matter what you think of Micah. If you’ve played enough Red Dead you know and can’t deny that besides Arthur of course, Micah is the best gunslinger in the gang
According to rockstar John was 26 in RDR2 meaning he has nowhere near the gunslinging experience he has in RDR1 not taking anything away from John, but it’s just fact that in RDR2 his gunslinger skills are mediocre at best. Arthur and Micah definitely lead that race.
@@mattcrowden1262 he’s a fantastic gunslinger in rdr2, man took out around 50 of Micah’s men with minimal effort and is confirmed to be on the same level as Arthur
@@NicholasBell1971 I agree with you without a doubt but considering some of the feats Arthur has handled alone with ease (Maxim machine gun & dozens of Pinkertons) I just don’t think in the RDR2 series that John is on par with Arthur. Dutch, Micah and others compliment Arthur’s abilities with a gun multiple times throughout the series, even going as far as saying that if Arthur would have been there during the ferry job it would have worked. That’s saying an A LOT about Arthur’s abilities alone considering the outcome of the job. And not to mention that Dutch trust Arthur completely to handle extremely tough situations for example when Cornwall confronts them outside the saloon in Valentine Dutch completely turn to Arthur on what/how handle the situation and trust him completely. If you want to get technical, in RDR1 Landon Ricketts calls John “sloppy” and with that being said can you really say that John was on the same level as Arthur in RDR2 if Landon Ricketts was calling him a mediocre gunslinger pretty much in 1911? after John has had plenty of experience? He really doesn’t become the Legendary Gunslinger of the West until Landon Ricketts mentors him.
i would've loved a companion system in rdr2, it'd have made the whole story more heartbreaking. imagine, you spend the entire game exploring with characters like sean, lenny, and kieran by your side, slowly getting to know them better, arthur becoming more of a big brother figure to sean as their bond grows, lenny and arthur becoming brothers, and kieran proving himself to arthur as a member of the gang. now imagine, most of your companions torn away from you, no more sean, no more hosea, no more lenny, no more kieran, and then you find that another character who you've been exploring the game and sharing your experiences with, micah, is responsible for their deaths. the character who youve come to know and bond with, has been playing you like a fiddle the entire time.
I remember, during one of the missions in chapter 2, Micah and Arthur steal a stagecoach together before getting ambushed by a bunch of O’driscolls. At that moment, the stagecoach they’re riding falls over and Arthur joins Micah behind a rock for cover. Right then, Micah goes « You okay? » and the way he says it feels just so genuine like he is really relived that Arthur survived. It’s one of my favorite « little » moments because, to me, it shows that Micah did genuinely care for Arthur deep down at that point and that he might have been a good friend had he not been consumed by his natural distrust of others and let his selfishness drive him to tear the gang apart.
Sorry to tell you but that mission was a Micah trap so O'driscolls should kill Arthur, it would be more easy for him to rat the entire group, then he tried again with the Colm meeting.
@@Saintstugayes this! I’ve always stated Micah was ratting the gang out before guarma. These 2 missions are too weird for it just to be happenstance. And Micah was involved in both.
@@katiemccausland2586Not to mention. I remember one of the camp interactions back in chapter 4. Arthur asked Lenny (iirc) if he saw Micah donated money and he said no.
There’s a ultimate parallel between these two: Arthur, while a bad man who has had his full of scuffles and skullduggery, does so out of necessity, to keep those he cares about alive and well (even if those people are endangering themselves) Micah, on the other hand, while being the same bad man did not understand a fundamental thing that made Arthur noble… He did not understand what caring for another meant. He’s only looked out for himself since day one. And that’s why even with all the schemes, hardened crimes, and scandals he uses to try and emulate Arthur out of jealousy, he ultimately is missing a kind-hearted soul. This is what sets the difference between a monster and a man.
I'm ok with playing as Micah in next Red Dead game. Maybe we can learn more about him, he isn't so bad sometimes, he did a lot of work for the gang too. I wonder if Red Dead fandom are ok with it though, but i trust Rockstar, they can tell a damn good story with great characters.
@@Half-Vampire Micah Definitely has a Deadeye if they make RDR3 a Multiple character story it would be fun to play him as the loose character like Trevor is to GTA5
Third game will, if ever, be about Mac. He was never shown, even his "death" was reported by Milton whose words could not be trusted. And based on the character's words about Mac, he seems a capable gunslinger and interesting character.
I wish that instead of making Micah a villain, they would have made it obviously seem like he was a villain, but in the end he'd be one of the goats. Too bad that didn't happen, would have been quite a twist
It's funny because when I first got into RDR2, I thought Micah was going to be cowboy Trevor, like Trevor from GTA5 I mean. Or maybe a more extreme version of Trevor. A person with a rough exterior but has occasionally good tender moments. Like he knows he's a monster probably due to his father's hooks, but maybe he still cares in his own way and maybe he helps Arthur indirectly or not obvious
In my first playthrough, I thought that Micah gotta be some kind of character that’s insolent, maybe stupid, but very funny and sometimes helpful for the gang and when Arthur will ask him for help, he really would help him
I don't hate him, he's wonderful. A wonderful spiteful narcissist, but a fun one. I'm tired of people hating him, even Thanos gets more love than Micah, and he snapped half the universe out of existance just because of a dumb idea he had
I was just indifferent to him, I had a hard time seeing Arthur as "a good guy" after all the dishonorable things you're forced to do in the game and thought of RDR2 as the story of a bunch of bad guys getting what's coming to them and living up to the old "No honor among thieves" cliché. The "high honor vs low honor" thing is more like low honor vs no honor to be honest.
Felt like Micah was a forced villain. Like I get the vibe the game is basically shoving it in your face "Hate this guy, YOU HAVE TO HATE THIS GUY, he's evil, see he doesn't even like dogs!" Well written but not a realistic character.
@@fakesummer3942 high honor is definitely high honor, as gaining honor is really only accomplished through ridiculously selfless deeds considering Arthur's situation. That being said, it doesn't change Arthur's career or lifestyle choices to give money to the poor or save peoples lives. They are all extremely bad men, but that's the point of both games.
@@marypalmer00 I also tire of people acting like he's scum for being a generally better survivor than most of the cast. It's not like Dutch or hosea are honest upstanding people either. I mean hosea basically abandons you to be eaten by a bear, despite being right there with a rolling block. But he gets a pass because instead of giving Arthur crap like Micah would, he acts like some kind of criminal grandpa.
Almost 5 years since this game has been out and still one of the best games ever released. I wish I could forget how this plays out just so I could experience it all again.
Micah is a character that you both love and hate at the same time. Makes you wonder if rockstar had written him to be more likable and not the rat. What he’d been like.
@@katiemccausland2586 Dutch’s gang isn’t exactly subtle about their doings. They tend to drum up A LOT of noise in the places they show up at. They didn’t need a rat to get found by anyone, everyone can find them plain as day
I still don't know what crazy information he could've given out other than the location of their current camp in beaver hollow. All the other details, like the amount of people in the gang, Milton knew himself - he visited the place, could've counted... What else is there to rat about
In chapter 1 after the odriscol coach micha comes to you in camp and says it’s up to the two of you to make this work for everyone. I’d team up with micha and Dutch if the option were there.
@@panndyrules3838 after they thought he was a traitor. Breakin him out of prison. Worst thing they tried to do was use natives as scape goats to disappear behind
@@Alex.2319 Sorry I just can't stand Dutch at all. He talks a really good show but he is a snake through and through. He says one thing and does the exact opposite when it comes time to be a man of action. Man of Action. Now that is something that you rarely get to see. Oh he is quick to pull a gun nut he is not seen actually using it. When he is seen using it, the result is more often questionable than honorable. Judging from the company he keeps closest to him its easy to see why Arthur is losing his loyalty to the man by the time of his death. Arthur has begun to see and question the value of his own actions. And every time he points at the actions of the Rat his loyalty is the one being questioned. Javier starts turning as early as chapter 2 if you pay attention to his conversations with others and especially to Arthur when you are not facing him. Micah has been a terd the entire game. No matter how much perfume the gang throws on him his true smell just manages to always waft through to the surface. I like Charles. I like Hosea. I even like the former O'Driscol, and of course I like lazy ass John. He is young and he eventually grows out of it. Sean might have grown out of his bad habits as well if he had half a chance. As such I never got a chance to get attached to him. As for Bill, nope I remember what he did to John in the prequel. Since Arthur isn't allowed to have Romantic interests I never bothered with the women. Sadie is a true bad ass though. Would have liked to pursue Mary Beth but that is not in the script. Would have liked to see Lenny get a better deal than he got for sure. Oh and as for breaking him out of jail in Strawberry, how long was I supposed to wait until they hung him? It never happened and I got tired of hunting and fishing while i waited.
@@wpeale71341 you make good points. If Arthur wasn’t sick, maybe he would’ve won the fight against Micah at the end and had the chance to reunite and change everyone.
I kind of hoped that Micah would just be that misunderstood brute that the game would lead us to believe is a rat but in reality it was one of the gang members that we would've least expected like Molly
It'd've been interesting if Micah wasn't the villain, if he was actually crazy and evil but didn't make Dutch worse and stayed loyal to Arthur in the end, it'd've been a nice dichotomy for the character
Finally a section where people can respect Micah with proper opinions instead of "Wah, Wah! Micah is a rat!" I like when people can describe and tell their opinion and thoughts instead meat riding Arthur.
Micah reminds me a lot of the Joker. He's a complete and utter monster, but at the same time I find him too weirdly entertaining and charismatic to really hate. I really like his missions too - even though I always play as a generally high honor Arthur (especially near the end), I still really enjoy riding with the bad guy.
When I first saw Micah I knew he was gonna be the "thorn on your side" type of character but I was really hoping they would do something other than going for the obvious route of making the asshole character be a traitor.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Micah had been a good guy and regularly teamed up with Arthur and John, the Van Der Linde gang would've been unstoppable.
I wanted to be wrong about him so much, mostly because i always found too obvious that he was going to be a main antagonist and was hoping for some kind of plot twist or something. I wanted him to have a little bit of redemption maybe sacrificing himself saving someone or something, that way dutch would look even worst as a human and antagonistic force in comparison, which would explain why he was so different and undone in the first game.
He's the antagonist the gang creates, they never welcome him to the gang they treat him rather poorly (granted he's incredibly abrasive) and they seem to forget his mindset is exclusively based on his survival and wealth which he openly admits (the gang doesn't want to admit about themselves or that they might be just as bad as Micah)
@@fallout0624They are not just as bad as micah lmao. Thats the point of the story. It was a "family" like gang until Micah came alond and complitely changes dutch's mindset about the gang
Honestly I liked him for most of the game. I knew he wasn't a good guy but he's also in an outlaw gang and none of them are. Up until the end of the game I really didn't despise him
I fully expected the ending to just be there was no rat, Dutch was just leaving such an obvious trail of destruction that it wasn't surprising they got caught, and between the stress and paranoia the gang tears itself apart. Micah would just push for lone last big job like the train then bail with as much cash as he could. Was kind of disappointed they went with the obvious route.
we have to say, Micah had a really cruel father. so he more got really psycho from him. i think would he get away from him as a baby, he maybe would have even a completely different human being. even that quote he wishes a friend is kinda sad to what he is becoming.
Best interaction I've had with Micah is when you get the coach full of cash near that river (where a massive gunfight with the O'Driscolls take place) When the dynamite explodes and knocks both Arthur and Micah on their asses, Micah sounded genuinely concerned as to whether Arthur was hurt
@@MegaChorro123 nah it was probably because: -He needed Arthur to get out of that situation alive and he knew that -Getting Arthur killed during a high risk robbery like that would've alarmed the gang and people would suspect him even more Don't be fooled Micah has always been a slimy rat from the get go
Of course, Micah was still very new to the gang and wasn't as close with Dutch like Arthur was; do you really think Dutch would have liked if Micah got Arthur killed? or course not. The only real reason Micah didn't want him dead at that point is because he knew he'd get the blame for it and it would ruin his relationship with Dutch.
Would be cool if at low-honor playthrough people would get the choice to know Micah better and maybe even escape with him. With high honor we would get close to John, and control him in the epilogue, and in low honor it would be Micah instead
Micah is a sad character if you read his backstory. He's still a villain, but your empathy can't be so short sighted. He didn't fit in with the gang even if he wanted to, and in his mind it left him no choice but to do what he knew best. Fend for himself. He so badly wanted Arthur to like him. And when he didn't, he attacked Arthur when he was finally weak enough to be attacked. Great lesson for how we should all be good to each other, because if you aren't, it's how people like Micah are created
I think it's clear that Micah is the same as Arthur, but instead of a loyal family to grow up with, Micah had a much different life. So while he tries to be good in the beginning, he comes off as his usual self and pushes folk away, leading to him turning against them. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. He thinks they all hate him, so eventually they do.
When I played it the first time (unspoilered) I had a feeling that Micah was a rat early on, but here and there there were moments where he made me doubt my guts..
I always believed that Micah was the perfect character for the gang. It frustrated me to no end that he was this likable most of the time, but due to the forced perspective and circumstances of the story line, he was pigeon-holed into becoming worse than he really was. Everyone in the gang was a criminal. Each and everyone of them were not good people. Ruffians willing to steal the pennies off a dead man's eyes to help make a quick buck. Micah was no different, he just didn't mince words or wear a false face to hide who he was. His character, faults and all, made him by far my favorite. He was greedy, sharp tongued, and willing to do whatever was necessary to achieve results. He was the perfect opposition to the Arthur, and I enjoyed his interactions far more than any others. Sometimes I would find myself agreeing with his points and motivations. It would have been so much more interesting if they came up with an alternate story path for Low Honor players where you sided more with him, potentially reinforcing John's transition to becoming a better person after the gang fell apart.
Its moments like this where you realize Arthur barely gave him a real choice cause Arthur was constantly looking for reasons to hate him! Leading to Micah eventually deciding that revenge on these people who treat him like shit is only fair!
No, Micah constantly gave Arthur, and everyone else in gang besides Dutch ample reason to hate him. He's racist as shit toward the non-white members of the gang, creepy as hell toward the women, and constantly hostile and rude toward everyone else. From the outset, he's a scumfuck.
@@marypalmer00 I think there might've been a chance dutch wouldn't have gone crazy and Micah might've ended up a bit more loyal over time ya know? Becoming more like the others
Arthur Morgan is the greatest protagonist in media history Roger Clark is the greatest Mo-cap actor in media history Micah bell is the greatest antagonist in media history Pete blomquist is just as great as roger Clark
I belive that Micah betrayed gang because he was the Lost one His fate was to be outlaw but he betrayed gang because everyone hated him If Hosea and Arthur had even little fate in Micah I think they could lead him into being good man He just became more realistic after Guarma because he knew gang would fell apart and the only good thing was ratting gang out to speed up it
Micah and Arthur are 2 sides of the same coin. One allowed the darkness to take control over him and the other fought against it. I honestly loved Micah. Never before have I seen an antagonist as fleshed out as he was in any medium to date. Writing was so good that when Peter Blomquist (Micah's mocap actor) played the game he said it was like an existential crisis for him hating this character that had his voice and his face....lol.
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my favorite interaction with Micah is when they're roasting Bill about his actual first name. it's the closest I see to the two of them having fun together.
when does that happen
@@Balmain_jacket random camp encounter at beaver hollow - bills first name marion
That's actually Sylvester Stallone's first name in Cobra. His full name is Marion Cobretti xD
@@danielatorre2821 is it because Marion is a girl's names?
Definitely has to be a reference to John Wayne. His real name was Marion Morrison, but changed it to something more manly sounding
*walks up to micah*
"that aint right Arthur, leave that dog be!"
LMAOO
That ain't right, Arthur! Leave that rat be!
Lenny knew..
🐀 🐀 🐀
That's actually uncle talking.
Peter Blomquist did such a good job as Micah, he managed to make me hate, love and feel sorry for him at the same time
feel sorry??
@@youngfargo8099 yeah cuz in chapter 3 I feel like he was actually trying to fit in with the gang but everyone hated him and I felt bad
@@thatboyjudas9861 well thats his fault, he antagonized everyone in the camp
I don’t know about feeling and love and sorry for him.XD
I just hated him and wanted him to die so much before he was revealed as the rat.
And i mean in a good way as a good villain.
I can say if Micah was just dead or something ever since blackwater or before and maybe remove Bill.
The whole gang would have been fine.
@@thatboyjudas9861 yeah doing really bad way to try and fit in then, as he is being and asshole and a creep to everybody as I always just wanna punch him nearly in every scene he has.
It’s so crazy how different everyone’s Arthur looks in these videos. I love how no matter what, no two play throughs are exactly the same.
Aka clapped
Hell, no two playthroughs of my own do I have Arthur dressed the same. There's one I dripped him out like a Union soldier and seeked out and killed Lemoyne Raiders for like 4 hours straight.
God fucking damn it, I just realized. Videogame characters like Arthur are just barbies for dudes. Playing dress up but you have 19th century swag instead of dresses and shit.
@@lsswappedcessna I made mine a gentleman lol, i often go style his hair, bathe and change suits 😭.
@@lsswappedcessna My friends and I would always call going to a clothing store in any game _'playing barbie dress-up'_ , one because it was funny, and two because we all knew that's exactly what it was.
@@lsswappedcessnaHis Arthur looks abysmal
Can’t believe I finally got to see my favorite crossover. Aiden from Watchdogs and Micha from RDR2.
I LITERALLY MENTIONED THE CONNECTION OF AIDEN AND ARTHUR I LOVE THIS COMMENT SO MUCH YOU ARE SO COOL FOR THAT 😭😭
i thought he looked like Aiden too hahaha
@@thenameislow same here
Micah envied Arthur. Sometimes that translated into Micah trying to befriend Arthur, other times it translated into him mocking Arthur. Other times, copy or emulate him. By the end of the game it was trying to kill him, and otherwise replace him as Dutch’s right hand. But it made Micah a very complex character and so so so good.
yea i always thought micah respected arthur and admired his competence during the beginning of the game but as he got closer to dutch, arthur became more of a threat to him so his respect turned to jealousy. like you said
@@crunchysalmons I believe Micah respected and admired Arthur in the beginning, but Arthur never saw it, and never said anything about it, but instead he got mad when Micah made a mistake, and if you weren't recognized by people you liked and admired, this "admiration" will turn into jealousy and it will get worse and worse
Micah respected Arthur because he saw Arthur as stronger than him, so he wanted to be his friend. When Arthur got sick Micah started seeing Arthur as weak and disposable. He'd never dare to fight a healthy Arthur
@@sr.geladinho8449 I don't know why, the reverse flash was the first person that came to my mind
Oedipus theory but grosser
The part that made me kinda wish he wasn't the rat was where if you go to the little shack behind shady bell where micah usually is there is a note that his brother sent him where Micah tried being nice and gain his relationship with him only for him to tell Micah to never talk to his family again.
I mean if his own brother hates him and wants nothing to do with him that should tell you how rotten of a person Micah’s been his whole life. Don’t forget, Micah’s a manipulator. Every time he’s acts nice to someone it’s always cause he wants something from them.
@@benclemens5311 His brother, him, and their dad were a gang. So not like the brother is a saint.
@SCARRIOR and to be mad at your brother who was also your partner in crime, he must've done something really wrong
@@SCARRIOR Abd that speaks volumnes about how badly the terd Micah Bell has begun to smell. When your own family can't put up with your stench any more its time for someone to give you a courtesy flush don't you think?
@@SCARRIOR yeah but Amos wanted to make amends for the things he did and said in his letter that he promised to protect his wife and children from all that is evil in the world which he knows his brother definitely is
The thing about Micah is even though he’s a monster and a total snake, there’s something profoundly sad about him. There are moments where it seems like he genuinely wants to at least try to bond with the others, but due to his own volatile and rude nature, it just doesn’t work out. He knows he’s too far gone, so he gives up on any chance of that and figures he might as well just keep being awful and throw everyone else under the bus.
There's a letter that can be discovered in the game (forgot where, you can look it up) it's from Micah's brother to Micah, basically telling him to stop contacting him because he has a wife and child now and has no intention of letting Micah be a part of his life. I think it was mentioned that their father was even meaner than Micah, but his brother turned out fine and just wanted to get the hell away from his own family. Maybe Micah loved his brother but the feeling wasnt mutual. Hence the sadness you mentioned might have contributed to using controlling behaviour to get people to like or admire him
Mayeb that's why he hates Arthur, since they're both violent men but Arthur actually managed to changed for the better.
"I don't want to get better. I want to get worse."
0:54 Micahs body language after Arthur mentioned, “you always talk”.
They bounce off of eachother so well, it's insane. The entire game could have just been a buddy cop style situation where they constantly bicker while shooting down loads of people.
i know your comment is super old but its absolutely dead on i now will wish for this forever and never get it
They’re the best shooters, but that’s it. They're not a good team. They don't communicate well or plan well, and they don't respect each other.
@@Jastrikis The way I look at it, Micah's relationship with Arthur is similar to John or Sean's, but without the history behind it.
@@scottthejatt I don’t know, the game makes it clear that nobody besides Dutch likes Micah.
@Jastrikis Well, that's sorta true. Bill and Javier like him under very specific circumstances (drunk as hell). I'm not entirely sure what I meant when I said that, so I'm retracting my statement.
It's in his nature , he survived as a child by escaping at any and all cost . Lost his soul a long time ago , he just does what he knows what to do and I can respect that to a point .
we have to say, Micah had a really cruel father. so he more got really psycho from him. i think would he get away from him as a baby, he maybe would have even a completely different human being. even that quote he wishes a friend is kinda sad to what he is becoming.
i mean he literally says it, thats all life is for him, survive or lose. and he is always gonna try to survive.
You know from the bigger picture he was the hero of the story by bringing the gang down. Sure he probably was one of the worst people in the game, but if we lived there and then as NPC's we'd probably be grateful as fuck
yup. i really don't get all the hate the character gets. like bruh it was clear from the very beginning he was selfish and heartless. i personally hate dutch way more for acting like a good soul and then betraying the gang
@@braevinmaund1210 You don't understand all the hate he gets? Dude was a snitch, rapist, messed up dude. No wonder why people hate him.
Micah was a wonderfully written villain. He’s more complex than just being a turncoat or a vicious murderer.
I think maybe I've played the game wrong. It felt like I didn't really have that much interaction with Micah up until around the 4th act, by which point he'd become an insufferable dickhead who I wanted to antagonise at every encounter.
@@KrayzListerine - He pretty much was, and you didn’t interact with him too much until probably the third chapter. It was obvious from the beginning that Arthur couldn’t stand him, but Dutch let him grow into the devil on his shoulder. Micah wasn’t just a brutal, dumb murderer, he was actually a pretty smart, manipulative prick who was playing a long-con (and had seemingly done so most his life). There’s just some little things - like the letter you find of his outside Shady Belle where he was writing his brother and his brother told him if he came near the family again they’d kill him…when his family ran as a gang together. Idk I just felt like there was more to him than just being an obvious bad guy.
he's too obviously the bad guy right from the beginning though. It would have been cool if it was more of a twist.
He made two racist jokes right at the beginning of the game. Him being the snitch and villain was foreshadowed from the start; only way not to see it is to be made of the same wood.
He was complex, a turncoat and a vicious murder XD
In an alternative universe I can see Micah’s and Arthur’s relationship being healthy with honest criticism, keeping each other on their toes and not letting the other slip up. Like a brotherly rivalry.
Prob could've been that if Arthur didn't have to pass the torch to John
That would be a thing if Micah wasn't raised as a narcissist by probably other narcissists, sure.
@@marypalmer00 lmfao "raised by narcissists" I can tell you were because you couldn't be to blame for your own problems
@@imperialofficer6185 lmao dog that's his entire character, was born into being shitty and that's why he's shitty, stop getting all butthurt
@@lullaby.for.arsonists7329 I know I'm just saying "raised by narcissists" is such a redditor thing to blame your problems on
Peter Blomquist absolutely fucking killed it as Micah. Despite being a villain and definitely being evil, I never could fully hate Micah. He brings this chaotic energy to the table that I find really entertaining
I remembered it very vaguely but during the gang party after saving Jack, Micah said something like “There is no good or bad person, there are only good/bad things you did.” I think this befits him and Arthur very accurately. I tend to think him as a person who did the wrong things he believes to be right or “necessary evil”.
He's like Arthur, but without any moral compass which is heavily implied throughout the story.
I left Micah on jail while partying lmao
After that he showed off he can be a good feller when he gave me some equipment
Honestly, Micah being the rat took me by surprise. I knew he was a vicious, spiteful little bastard, but I also thought he was far too proud to ever admit he was on the losing side.
Was expecting that towards the end of the game, Micah wouldn't exactly be a _friend,_ but someone with whom Arthur would share a sort of unspoken, begrudging respect.
Imagine him and Arthur at the end protecting John from Dutch who went insane.
Felt like Micah was a forced villain. Like I get the vibe the game is basically shoving it in your face "Hate this guy, YOU HAVE TO HATE THIS GUY, he's evil, see he doesn't even like dogs!" Like okay we get it. Well written but not a realistic character.
@@theysellsoulscheaphere8501 he’s pretty realistic character. A coworker that does the job just as good as you but doesn’t get along with you. Nothing forced at all. You don’t even know he’s the villain until the end, don’t know what so forced about.
@@youngnat well you can tell he's gonna be a problem from chapter one, and by the end of chapter two(depending on when you get him back to camp) hes already got dutch wrapped around his finger. Pretty obvious he's the villian.
@@youngnat I agree with you, but honestly in a big gang of outlaws being unpopular was equal with being dead because no one really liked Micha besides dutch, and there's so many times where someone could've just capped Micha n went "welp the bad guys did it, sorry boss"
Not gonna lie. Micah is one of the best antagonists in a game I've seen. All his scenes have this same chemistry, and he's the kind of character you love to hate by the end. Ironically, it was this scene that made me think he'd turn out to be on Arthur's side going against Dutch for a bit, and it's really a testament to how good his acting was. You didn't know where he stood, where his loyalty was, or what he wanted until it was right up front. Solid villain, and if anyone has any suggestions for characters I might like, I'd love to hear em. I'm looking for one to put out Micah here lmao
I always had a soft spot for Bill. He was big, clumsy and not very well spoken so we was often misunderstood. He's full of confliction because it's easier for him to come off as a giant idiot rather than be the real Bill. His discharge papers suggest that he was thrown out for a "don't ask don't tell" type thing. and you could tell that he tormented Kieran because he most likely had feelings for him, which makes Kieran's death a lot more sad when you think about it. Bill couldn't outwardly express his grief or his comrades might see that and think less of him... One of my favorite moments with Bill is when he, Uncle and Reverend Swanson are sitting around a fire at Shady Belle and Bill is talking about how everyone perceives him as dumb and how he feels like he's more than that. Idk, maybe it's just me but Bill is a way more complex character than what you get if you just look at the surface.
@@DJGrimboSlice see, my read on the situation was that the gang were well aware of and fine with or indifferent to Bill being gay, while he was really the only one who thought it was a problem. Hosea even makes a good natured little joke about it early on as if it's common knowledge.
@@DJGrimboSlice I had a soft spot for Bill the moment the braitheweights took little Jack and Bill was the first to jump and volunteer himself to go let fly at em and get Jack back. I'm still unsure how I feel about him tbh
@@burninsherman1037 I thought that's what Hosea meant by that. The gang was a fairly inclusive bunch for 1899.
@Jonathan Jones Okay wow you're so different
I wish we had more characters with Micah's style of charisma. I feel like he has this way of keeping you on your toes, where you have absolutely no idea where he's going with his sentences, but at the end he gets his point through.
i hope my pigalle is still in my garage
@@benjaminbeudard628What does that have to do with this
@@georgepollardyt not much i guess
there is only one micah bell 🔥
reminds me of someone lol
I honestly really like Micah. Sure he did rat out the whole gang but, from Chapters 1-5, he was definitely my favourite character. Heck, my favourite mission in the game revolves around breaking Micah out of prison. That’s why Micah was so good, cause he was so entertaining
I love ignoring the cannon and just walking into the sheriffs office and turning the game into a Tarantino movie
Imma be honest, if Blessed Are The Meek? is your favorite mission, then you have shit taste. Seriously. We got legendary iconic missions like Pouring Forth Oil 4, Jim Milton Rides Again?, Sodom? Back to Gomorrah and A Quiet Time but you chose THAT mission? Fucking hell, I'd rather have you pick Country Pursuits or The Course of True Love over breaking the rat out of the prison where he belongs.
I remember the knowing smile I got when I told my colleague (who'd finished the story) that my favourite character so far is Micah, he's just so compelling. Still a great character, they all are.
@@samvoisey-tong514thats funny
there are a LOT of scenes where I wish Micah wasn't a rat. he reminds me of Trevor and he's a good shot. Imagine if he and arthur actually got along, they'd be pretty much unstoppable
I remember before the game came out and we only saw the trailers, everyone thought Micah was gona be Arthurs reckless, badass friend that always had his back, especially because of his "sons of Dutch, makes us brothers, sometimes brothers makes mistakes" line
Exactly how I felt when he said that line. I still had a funny feeling about it though. That is what it is so well done.
he was loyal to arthur in the beginning and I wish it stayed that way, micah could of been what shane was to rick in TWD.
@@user-uo8ny1kj4c micah wasnt loyal to anything he was only looking out for his wages
@@bIuecap im sure the devs had other plans for his character though. just like ryder
When I first played it when it came out. The way he went after Sadie in the beginning I said to myself he's gonna be a problem I just know it. And I was right.
"I ALWAYS FIGHT!"
Man, Micha's dad really beat the American Venom into him
Lmao
Micah could be even good friend like Bill if he wasn't rat, Snake and HIMSELF🐍
If he didn't ratted after guarma, he would be memorable character but still a bad influence on dutch.
@@Nax95245 Well said
Bill could be a good friend if he wasn’t a fool
@@NikitaGamer64 Bill was good friend for Arthur and John but his mistake was trusting too much in Dutch "Great Plan"
Bill and Javier betrayed them so they was snakes to
Micah was such a great character in every way, unique holster configuration and draw technique, styled yet simple outfits, one of, if not the greatest villain in gaming history.
Problem is; Micah was full of words but most of them didn't mean anything. Even if he says he wants a friend, there's no good reason to believe him because his actions often betrayed his words.
That last chuckle from Micah sounds very genuine lol
Micah just needed the right friends and the right motivation
The right friends - cleet and Joe. Motivation - money. He got both in the end (before John showed up)
Truth is , he could fit to the gang , if you played enough this game you saw him getting constantly rejected by all the gang members not anyone letting him a chance !that make the story even more full of sense when Pinkerton catch him , he rats on the gang because he had no one to care about , I mean even Strauss died over torture and didn’t spoke
They rejected him because he was a massive cunt toward pretty much everyone but Dutch. Creepy toward the women, racist as hell toward the minority gang members, and constantly hostile and rude toward the rest. He's a great character, not becusse he's somehow misunderstood, but because even when you know what he is he's so well acted that sometimes his worm tongue effect can make even us as outside observers question what we know to be true about him as a character.
@@burninsherman1037 that’s a fine analysis of the character , may I add that on my second playtrough I had the chance to trigger a lot of dialogue line with the gang and at Clemens Point camp during chapter 3 he’s really trying to be , most of the time , friendly with the folk at camp and polite but he always get rejected in a rude way
Things just don’t match between him and the gang during all the story reason why he had to rats the gang to the Pinkerton
They reject him because they're afraid of him, and rightfully so... After all they're a gang, and not nice innocent citizens, ready to give someone the benefit of the doubt. They're probably used to seeing people who're Micah's type.
@@lucabrazzi7112 Honestly that's mostly because people already got a view on Micah's bad side time and time again. Dutch's gang was a family, but Micah saw it as nothing more than another outlaw gang he was riding with until they were all killed or arrested and so he would be on the run again. Micah's personality might have been able to fit in, but Micah's morals behind what the gang meant, didn't.
@@lucabrazzi7112Part of the incredible voice acting that the character has is that whenever Micah seems to be saying someting "nice" or being "polite" it never feels genuine it feels like he's being sarcastic it always feels hypocrite like he's lying and that's part of why i think most of the gang didn't trust him. I don't feel like he was nice to anyone ever in the game all the members of the gang dislike him for that, except for Dutch and at the end that was what doomed everyone.
I think we remember Micah's motives very differently, cause I've always seen Micah's supposed closeness with Arthur as Micah looking for info to feed to Milton, or to use it against Arthur to hurt his standing with Dutch, depending on the info.
No Micah may envy Arthurs position in the gang but he wasnt a rat until chapter 6
The chemistry in the casting of this game is legendary. They created a family. Warts and all.
I wish there were more moments like this with Micah. It would be nice if there were some doubt
So true!
Molly O'Shea was the doubt. some say theres still a rat in hiding
I just wanna know what you did to that poor dog
What dog?
@@coolishtuna8105
The one mentioned in the very beginning lol.
@@coolishtuna8105 At the beginning Uncle tells him to leave the dog alone. I assume it’s Cain.
I'll be real with you, I was listening without audio
@@coolishtuna8105 Hahaha. I appreciate your honesty. You gain 5 honor points.
I was recently thinking about Micah and his motivation to turn the gang inside out. What did he hope to achieve by turning Dutch against his own family? He seems to me like a lost soul, jaded and full of anger after a life of disappointment. I think even Micah could have become a better person with the right guidance, but instead the very things that made him an asset to the gang were the same things that ultimately drove him to destroy the only family he probably ever had. He's a walking tragedy who brings his ruin to everyone he gets close to, but you can tell he wasn't always like that. Something made him that way, something we never get to see or hear about
It's revealed that it runs in the family, Micah's father and probably grandfather were just the same and were survivalist that held other human life pretty low on their list. It's a shame in a way Micah was always doomed to be a vile cretin but that doesn't excuse all his crimes, canon Arthur and John both made the effort to change their ways and help people, but Micah decided to continue being a opportunistic bully which he clearly enjoyed till it came back to bite his ass
@@flyingrancidm00nfish7 while it does run in his family, I do think Micah also did things to get Dutch’s approval. He wanted Arthur’s spot in the gang. That’s super obvious. He wanted to be Dutch’s right hand man. But he’s too much of a loose canon and Dutch realizes it by the end on the cliff. He sees Micah is in it for survival and Arthur did everything for Dutch. That’s when Dutch leaves because he realized he favored a maniac over someone who was like a son to him.
Here’s why I think he brought the gang down: Micah was greedy, and saw Dutch as a money making opportunity. He wanted the gang to grow weak, so he helped the pinkertons to kill off as many gang members as possible to the point it’s just him, Dutch, Cleet and Joe. So when the time’s right, he could turn on Dutch and take the money the gang has made without it being much of a challenge. This is why in chapter 6 Dutch constantly says: “we need more money”. he only said it a few times in chapter 4 because Hosea helped Dutch plan things out. However after he died, micah planned things for Dutch and told him he needed as much money as possible, (including the money in blackwater). This would also explain why he got angry after Dutch turned around on him before Arthur’s death. Because he lost his trust. Therefore he can no longer make any more stacks of money, and he lost the chance to get the money from blackwater.
@@KingjakeStudios i dont think he wanted a weak gang, micah is a survivor, i remember him saying that they dont need weak people or people that doesn't bring money in the gang, most of the members were useless (Pearson, Uncle, Reverend swason, the girls) micah wanted a small strong gang that can fight (Micah, Dutch, John, Arthur, Bill, Javier, Lenny, Sadie) people that can fight and can bring money in the gang, he used to say that to arthur till arthur became sick, when arthur became sick, micah knew that arthur is no more strong as he used to be and he was a liability, thats why he turned on him, and sometimes i think micah was right, i mean most of the members were useless, sleep all day, drunk, never bring money in, never take part in a score
I don't think he could change at any point, and here's why - childhood (applause for my psychoanalysis please). But for real, looks like his dad was a real psycho murderer as well, and he taught him from a young age that survival is all he needs. Throw in potential abuse, maybe something to do with his mother, some trauma, and boom - you get this. Maybe he learned how to manipulate people in order to stay safe and bring money into the family. If he was hit by his parents, that means he probably sees the whole world as his enemy and as untrustworthy, so he realizes he has to fight dirty to survive.
Other moment that makes me wish he wasn't a rat is a conversation you can have with him after Arthur escapes the O'Driscolls and recovers. he apologize for it and even sounds genuinely sorry for that
Even the most despised villains have their human moments.
Just imagine if Micah and Arthur would have got along. It doesn’t matter what you think of Micah. If you’ve played enough Red Dead you know and can’t deny that besides Arthur of course, Micah is the best gunslinger in the gang
Rip Van Winkle?
john solos 💀
According to rockstar John was 26 in RDR2 meaning he has nowhere near the gunslinging experience he has in RDR1 not taking anything away from John, but it’s just fact that in RDR2 his gunslinger skills are mediocre at best. Arthur and Micah definitely lead that race.
@@mattcrowden1262 he’s a fantastic gunslinger in rdr2, man took out around 50 of Micah’s men with minimal effort and is confirmed to be on the same level as Arthur
@@NicholasBell1971 I agree with you without a doubt but considering some of the feats Arthur has handled alone with ease (Maxim machine gun & dozens of Pinkertons) I just don’t think in the RDR2 series that John is on par with Arthur. Dutch, Micah and others compliment Arthur’s abilities with a gun multiple times throughout the series, even going as far as saying that if Arthur would have been there during the ferry job it would have worked. That’s saying an A LOT about Arthur’s abilities alone considering the outcome of the job. And not to mention that Dutch trust Arthur completely to handle extremely tough situations for example when Cornwall confronts them outside the saloon in Valentine Dutch completely turn to Arthur on what/how handle the situation and trust him completely. If you want to get technical, in RDR1 Landon Ricketts calls John “sloppy” and with that being said can you really say that John was on the same level as Arthur in RDR2 if Landon Ricketts was calling him a mediocre gunslinger pretty much in 1911? after John has had plenty of experience? He really doesn’t become the Legendary Gunslinger of the West until Landon Ricketts mentors him.
i would've loved a companion system in rdr2, it'd have made the whole story more heartbreaking. imagine, you spend the entire game exploring with characters like sean, lenny, and kieran by your side, slowly getting to know them better, arthur becoming more of a big brother figure to sean as their bond grows, lenny and arthur becoming brothers, and kieran proving himself to arthur as a member of the gang. now imagine, most of your companions torn away from you, no more sean, no more hosea, no more lenny, no more kieran, and then you find that another character who you've been exploring the game and sharing your experiences with, micah, is responsible for their deaths. the character who youve come to know and bond with, has been playing you like a fiddle the entire time.
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Honestly i would have loved a companion system! That'd be so neat
I really liked Micah at the very beginning of the game. He doesn't seem too bad in the first couple missions.
"How come Arthur gets a room and I get a bunk bed next to Bill Williamson and a bunch of darkies"
Micah in the very first mission
Arthur and Micah had good chemistry
I remember, during one of the missions in chapter 2, Micah and Arthur steal a stagecoach together before getting ambushed by a bunch of O’driscolls.
At that moment, the stagecoach they’re riding falls over and Arthur joins Micah behind a rock for cover.
Right then, Micah goes « You okay? » and the way he says it feels just so genuine like he is really relived that Arthur survived.
It’s one of my favorite « little » moments because, to me, it shows that Micah did genuinely care for Arthur deep down at that point and that he might have been a good friend had he not been consumed by his natural distrust of others and let his selfishness drive him to tear the gang apart.
Sorry to tell you but that mission was a Micah trap so O'driscolls should kill Arthur, it would be more easy for him to rat the entire group, then he tried again with the Colm meeting.
@@Saintstugayes this! I’ve always stated Micah was ratting the gang out before guarma. These 2 missions are too weird for it just to be happenstance. And Micah was involved in both.
@@katiemccausland2586Not to mention. I remember one of the camp interactions back in chapter 4. Arthur asked Lenny (iirc) if he saw Micah donated money and he said no.
Don’t think we didn’t notice uncle telling you off for scolding Cain
That was Lenny
Who was yelling at Arthur about the dog? 0:03
I think Lenny?
I guess Javier
Uncle pretty sure
Lenny
Sounded like lenny
Are we seriously not gonna talk about how Arthur is cosplaying Aiden Pearce from Watch Dogs?
What’s watch dogs
@@Fugitive685 you aint miss much
There’s a ultimate parallel between these two:
Arthur, while a bad man who has had his full of scuffles and skullduggery, does so out of necessity, to keep those he cares about alive and well (even if those people are endangering themselves)
Micah, on the other hand, while being the same bad man did not understand a fundamental thing that made Arthur noble…
He did not understand what caring for another meant. He’s only looked out for himself since day one.
And that’s why even with all the schemes, hardened crimes, and scandals he uses to try and emulate Arthur out of jealousy, he ultimately is missing a kind-hearted soul.
This is what sets the difference between a monster and a man.
I like how nobody mentioned how his outfit looks similar to Aiden Pierce’s outfit
Honestly I thought it was a mod. I don't recognize that hat and I went out of my way to have all of them.
@@Dalton_Boardman2000 oh it’s a mod
@@anothernobody1804that jacket is a mod?
@@kotoamatsukami2582yeah
"Big shadow, tiny tree"
Or .... hey boy, you smell that? .... What the hell are you going on about now Morgan? .... Smells a lot like Coward around here!
i still don't know what that means
Man, I need a Micah's spin-off, something that tells how Micah lost his heart, what happened to him to be so bad.
I'm ok with playing as Micah in next Red Dead game. Maybe we can learn more about him, he isn't so bad sometimes, he did a lot of work for the gang too. I wonder if Red Dead fandom are ok with it though, but i trust Rockstar, they can tell a damn good story with great characters.
@@Half-Vampire Micah Definitely has a Deadeye if they make RDR3 a Multiple character story it would be fun to play him as the loose character like Trevor is to GTA5
Irritable bowel syndrome. It's a hell of a thing
Third game will, if ever, be about Mac. He was never shown, even his "death" was reported by Milton whose words could not be trusted. And based on the character's words about Mac, he seems a capable gunslinger and interesting character.
@@AbdulAziz-im2em terrible ahh theory
that laugh along with the backpat… Micah easily would’ve been my favorite character if he was a good guy
Micah is underrated.
When Micah said "I want a friend" I started laughing out loud
" that ain't right arthur leave that dog be!"
Looklike you were picking on the dog before you talk to micah 🤣🤣
Idk why i can't recognize who is saying that,can you?
@@Chuckelton must be pearson
@@hellothere5579 sounds nothing like pearson😭
I wish that instead of making Micah a villain, they would have made it obviously seem like he was a villain, but in the end he'd be one of the goats. Too bad that didn't happen, would have been quite a twist
That's what they did with Strauss, in a way.
Yeah like, a prick but still loyal.
Again I believe most people don’t understand Micahs character at all
Elaborate please?
@@marypalmer00 I will elaborate when a few more people ask from the comments. I’ve said this multiple times on a few videos comments
Elaborate pls
@@boredchild6631 play the game again and stop being so emotional for the main good guy narrative bs
@@r3idmcread212 Cringe
In the first few chapters micah is much friendlier and has pretty fun and chaotic missions. He is crazy, but he still is a funny and great character
It's funny because when I first got into RDR2, I thought Micah was going to be cowboy Trevor, like Trevor from GTA5 I mean. Or maybe a more extreme version of Trevor. A person with a rough exterior but has occasionally good tender moments. Like he knows he's a monster probably due to his father's hooks, but maybe he still cares in his own way and maybe he helps Arthur indirectly or not obvious
In my first playthrough, I thought that Micah gotta be some kind of character that’s insolent, maybe stupid, but very funny and sometimes helpful for the gang and when Arthur will ask him for help, he really would help him
Anyone else more curious to what Arthur did to the dog?
Arthur?? Dont you mean Micah ???? lol
killed it
@@chrispy199
Reply the vid and listen to the beginning
@@Ali-se3gb oh whoops silly me. thanks
You know..
I actually like Micah. I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t hate him.
I don't hate him, he's wonderful. A wonderful spiteful narcissist, but a fun one. I'm tired of people hating him, even Thanos gets more love than Micah, and he snapped half the universe out of existance just because of a dumb idea he had
I was just indifferent to him, I had a hard time seeing Arthur as "a good guy" after all the dishonorable things you're forced to do in the game and thought of RDR2 as the story of a bunch of bad guys getting what's coming to them and living up to the old "No honor among thieves" cliché.
The "high honor vs low honor" thing is more like low honor vs no honor to be honest.
Felt like Micah was a forced villain. Like I get the vibe the game is basically shoving it in your face "Hate this guy, YOU HAVE TO HATE THIS GUY, he's evil, see he doesn't even like dogs!" Well written but not a realistic character.
@@fakesummer3942 high honor is definitely high honor, as gaining honor is really only accomplished through ridiculously selfless deeds considering Arthur's situation. That being said, it doesn't change Arthur's career or lifestyle choices to give money to the poor or save peoples lives. They are all extremely bad men, but that's the point of both games.
@@marypalmer00 I also tire of people acting like he's scum for being a generally better survivor than most of the cast. It's not like Dutch or hosea are honest upstanding people either. I mean hosea basically abandons you to be eaten by a bear, despite being right there with a rolling block. But he gets a pass because instead of giving Arthur crap like Micah would, he acts like some kind of criminal grandpa.
Almost 5 years since this game has been out and still one of the best games ever released.
I wish I could forget how this plays out just so I could experience it all again.
paperboy arthur and the dastardly bastardly micah
Micah is a character that you both love and hate at the same time. Makes you wonder if rockstar had written him to be more likable and not the rat. What he’d been like.
To this day I say Micah didn’t rat until after Guarma
He definitely did before especially with those two missions with dealing with the o driscolls
@@katiemccausland2586 Dutch’s gang isn’t exactly subtle about their doings. They tend to drum up A LOT of noise in the places they show up at. They didn’t need a rat to get found by anyone, everyone can find them plain as day
Guys for all we know Micah could’ve said a bunch of jibberish to Milton, but that doesn’t change the fact that he made Dutch crazy
I still don't know what crazy information he could've given out other than the location of their current camp in beaver hollow. All the other details, like the amount of people in the gang, Milton knew himself - he visited the place, could've counted... What else is there to rat about
@@marypalmer00 the plans obviously
Micah holding a knife behind his back in this scene is some good foreshadowing iconography
This and the mission where you hijack the wagon makes me wish that Micah's story would have played out differently.
In chapter 1 after the odriscol coach micha comes to you in camp and says it’s up to the two of you to make this work for everyone. I’d team up with micha and Dutch if the option were there.
but they left John to die
@@panndyrules3838 after they thought he was a traitor. Breakin him out of prison. Worst thing they tried to do was use natives as scape goats to disappear behind
@@Alex.2319 Sorry I just can't stand Dutch at all. He talks a really good show but he is a snake through and through. He says one thing and does the exact opposite when it comes time to be a man of action. Man of Action. Now that is something that you rarely get to see. Oh he is quick to pull a gun nut he is not seen actually using it. When he is seen using it, the result is more often questionable than honorable. Judging from the company he keeps closest to him its easy to see why Arthur is losing his loyalty to the man by the time of his death. Arthur has begun to see and question the value of his own actions. And every time he points at the actions of the Rat his loyalty is the one being questioned. Javier starts turning as early as chapter 2 if you pay attention to his conversations with others and especially to Arthur when you are not facing him. Micah has been a terd the entire game. No matter how much perfume the gang throws on him his true smell just manages to always waft through to the surface. I like Charles. I like Hosea. I even like the former O'Driscol, and of course I like lazy ass John. He is young and he eventually grows out of it. Sean might have grown out of his bad habits as well if he had half a chance. As such I never got a chance to get attached to him. As for Bill, nope I remember what he did to John in the prequel. Since Arthur isn't allowed to have Romantic interests I never bothered with the women. Sadie is a true bad ass though. Would have liked to pursue Mary Beth but that is not in the script. Would have liked to see Lenny get a better deal than he got for sure. Oh and as for breaking him out of jail in Strawberry, how long was I supposed to wait until they hung him? It never happened and I got tired of hunting and fishing while i waited.
@@wpeale71341 you make good points. If Arthur wasn’t sick, maybe he would’ve won the fight against Micah at the end and had the chance to reunite and change everyone.
Micha. 💀
I kind of hoped that Micah would just be that misunderstood brute that the game would lead us to believe is a rat but in reality it was one of the gang members that we would've least expected like Molly
Kind of feels like they were headed in this direction at first, with the way she died
Molly wasn’t a rat. She was just mad and upset because she did love Dutch, and he discarded her.
Arthur has an Aiden Pearce thing going on 😂
It'd've been interesting if Micah wasn't the villain, if he was actually crazy and evil but didn't make Dutch worse and stayed loyal to Arthur in the end, it'd've been a nice dichotomy for the character
“Come on, Morgan, you’re not dead yet! Keep going, they’re on our heels!”
I’ve said it many times, until the return from Guarma, I like Micah. Even after that I think he’s an amazing antagonist.
Finally a section where people can respect Micah with proper opinions instead of "Wah, Wah! Micah is a rat!" I like when people can describe and tell their opinion and thoughts instead meat riding Arthur.
"That ain't right Arthur leave that dog be"
Bro what did Cain do to you 😭
Hard to believe this is the same guy who played Harlan Fontaine in LA Noire.
Imagine if Micah was high honor and a good guy and not a rat.Just image Arthur and Micah duo,they would be unstoppable.
Micah reminds me a lot of the Joker. He's a complete and utter monster, but at the same time I find him too weirdly entertaining and charismatic to really hate. I really like his missions too - even though I always play as a generally high honor Arthur (especially near the end), I still really enjoy riding with the bad guy.
Dude, I loved Micah so much as a character.
When I first saw Micah I knew he was gonna be the "thorn on your side" type of character but I was really hoping they would do something other than going for the obvious route of making the asshole character be a traitor.
After Arthur, Micah is my favourite RDR character
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Micah had been a good guy and regularly teamed up with Arthur and John, the Van Der Linde gang would've been unstoppable.
I wanted to be wrong about him so much, mostly because i always found too obvious that he was going to be a main antagonist and was hoping for some kind of plot twist or something. I wanted him to have a little bit of redemption maybe sacrificing himself saving someone or something, that way dutch would look even worst as a human and antagonistic force in comparison, which would explain why he was so different and undone in the first game.
He's the antagonist the gang creates, they never welcome him to the gang they treat him rather poorly (granted he's incredibly abrasive) and they seem to forget his mindset is exclusively based on his survival and wealth which he openly admits (the gang doesn't want to admit about themselves or that they might be just as bad as Micah)
@@fallout0624They are not just as bad as micah lmao. Thats the point of the story. It was a "family" like gang until Micah came alond and complitely changes dutch's mindset about the gang
Honestly I liked him for most of the game. I knew he wasn't a good guy but he's also in an outlaw gang and none of them are. Up until the end of the game I really didn't despise him
I'm the real rat in Red Dead when my Honor is low
this is totally true . like how many horses and civilians you gotta murder to get low honor . this game tries too hard to give you high honor
@@jacquestaljaard6644 That's because there will be consequences in the future.
Micah is character you get when you combine personalities of big smoke and ryder from San Andreas
I fully expected the ending to just be there was no rat, Dutch was just leaving such an obvious trail of destruction that it wasn't surprising they got caught, and between the stress and paranoia the gang tears itself apart. Micah would just push for lone last big job like the train then bail with as much cash as he could. Was kind of disappointed they went with the obvious route.
Micah is a thousand times better than abby from Tlous2
we have to say, Micah had a really cruel father. so he more got really psycho from him. i think would he get away from him as a baby, he maybe would have even a completely different human being. even that quote he wishes a friend is kinda sad to what he is becoming.
You are a very empathetic person
He's not sincere
ur not sincere mr truth and honesty
ur not sincere mr truth and honesty
ur not sincere mr truth and honesty
ur not sincere mr truth and honesty
ur not sincere mr truth and honesty
Best interaction I've had with Micah is when you get the coach full of cash near that river (where a massive gunfight with the O'Driscolls take place)
When the dynamite explodes and knocks both Arthur and Micah on their asses, Micah sounded genuinely concerned as to whether Arthur was hurt
Cause he wasn't trying to get killed 😂
Yeah I’ve always noticed that too. Maybe back then he hasn’t fully turned or maybe he did but still cared at least a bit for Arthur
@@MegaChorro123 nah it was probably because:
-He needed Arthur to get out of that situation alive and he knew that
-Getting Arthur killed during a high risk robbery like that would've alarmed the gang and people would suspect him even more
Don't be fooled Micah has always been a slimy rat from the get go
@@jouille4524
Hell of an argument and gotta agree Lmaoooo
Of course, Micah was still very new to the gang and wasn't as close with Dutch like Arthur was; do you really think Dutch would have liked if Micah got Arthur killed? or course not.
The only real reason Micah didn't want him dead at that point is because he knew he'd get the blame for it and it would ruin his relationship with Dutch.
Would be cool if at low-honor playthrough people would get the choice to know Micah better and maybe even escape with him. With high honor we would get close to John, and control him in the epilogue, and in low honor it would be Micah instead
Micah is a sad character if you read his backstory. He's still a villain, but your empathy can't be so short sighted. He didn't fit in with the gang even if he wanted to, and in his mind it left him no choice but to do what he knew best. Fend for himself.
He so badly wanted Arthur to like him. And when he didn't, he attacked Arthur when he was finally weak enough to be attacked.
Great lesson for how we should all be good to each other, because if you aren't, it's how people like Micah are created
I think it's clear that Micah is the same as Arthur, but instead of a loyal family to grow up with, Micah had a much different life. So while he tries to be good in the beginning, he comes off as his usual self and pushes folk away, leading to him turning against them. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. He thinks they all hate him, so eventually they do.
When I played it the first time (unspoilered) I had a feeling that Micah was a rat early on, but here and there there were moments where he made me doubt my guts..
Same. Shows how well written and acted he is, honestly. His worm tongue bullshit was even able to get to us as outside observers now and then.
What did you do to the dog?
Can we just talk about how he scolded Cain before he started talking to Micah?
Micah: You looking good today Bill.
Bill: Shut up!
I always believed that Micah was the perfect character for the gang.
It frustrated me to no end that he was this likable most of the time, but due to the forced perspective and circumstances of the story line, he was pigeon-holed into becoming worse than he really was. Everyone in the gang was a criminal. Each and everyone of them were not good people. Ruffians willing to steal the pennies off a dead man's eyes to help make a quick buck. Micah was no different, he just didn't mince words or wear a false face to hide who he was.
His character, faults and all, made him by far my favorite. He was greedy, sharp tongued, and willing to do whatever was necessary to achieve results. He was the perfect opposition to the Arthur, and I enjoyed his interactions far more than any others. Sometimes I would find myself agreeing with his points and motivations.
It would have been so much more interesting if they came up with an alternate story path for Low Honor players where you sided more with him, potentially reinforcing John's transition to becoming a better person after the gang fell apart.
He would have made an interesting protagonist bc of how flawed he is.
Its moments like this where you realize Arthur barely gave him a real choice cause Arthur was constantly looking for reasons to hate him! Leading to Micah eventually deciding that revenge on these people who treat him like shit is only fair!
No, Micah constantly gave Arthur, and everyone else in gang besides Dutch ample reason to hate him. He's racist as shit toward the non-white members of the gang, creepy as hell toward the women, and constantly hostile and rude toward everyone else. From the outset, he's a scumfuck.
Well, that partially could be it, but even if they treated him in the nicest way possible, I don't think this would've changed his mind.
@@marypalmer00 I think there might've been a chance dutch wouldn't have gone crazy and Micah might've ended up a bit more loyal over time ya know? Becoming more like the others
Arthur Morgan is the greatest protagonist in media history
Roger Clark is the greatest Mo-cap actor in media history
Micah bell is the greatest antagonist in media history
Pete blomquist is just as great as roger Clark
I belive that Micah betrayed gang because he was the Lost one
His fate was to be outlaw but he betrayed gang because everyone hated him
If Hosea and Arthur had even little fate in Micah I think they could lead him into being good man
He just became more realistic after Guarma because he knew gang would fell apart and the only good thing was ratting gang out to speed up it
Micah and Arthur are 2 sides of the same coin. One allowed the darkness to take control over him and the other fought against it. I honestly loved Micah. Never before have I seen an antagonist as fleshed out as he was in any medium to date. Writing was so good that when Peter Blomquist (Micah's mocap actor) played the game he said it was like an existential crisis for him hating this character that had his voice and his face....lol.