Originally 180 CDs (Philips Complete Mozart Edition), then 170 (Brilliant Classics; this was a cheap stripped-down Complete Edition and is NOT worth buying) and finally 200 (Decca + Deutsche Grammophon + Mozarteum Foundation; this was "Mozart 225: The New Complete Edition", with newly discovered works and a whole section dedicated to fragments and discoveries.)
More than 170. The Philips Edition compiled 180 discs, Mozart 225 was 200 discs, and there are still far more compositions out there that haven't been discovered or just have never been recorded. But I get what you meant.
Symphony No. 2 in B♭ major, KV 17, is now considered to be not by Wolfgang, but by possibly his father, Leopold Mozart. This symphony has been given the number Anhang C 11.02 in the sixth edition of Ludwig Ritter von Köchel's catalog of Mozart's music, and is now also catalogued as Eisen B♭ 6 in Cliff Eisen's catalog of Leopold Mozart's symphonies.
Without the slightest doubt this is by the father Leopold although there could be some melodical inventions contributed by his son Wolfgang. The style is far too “classical late baroque” which you can hear in similar compositions by C.Ph. E. Bach, Stamitz and others. Mozart, even as a young boy, was far more unconventionell and genius. Listen to the ouverture from his ópera “Apollo et Hyazinthus”, for example, Wolfgang is extremely fresh in every detail, although this work here is excellent stuff. Leopold Mozart was a good composer, but his son was “God’s composer” or, “God” himself composed through him.
I know a fair bit of Mozart's music, but there is still a lot I have not heard. Every single time I hear something new by Mozart, I am far more amazed than the time before. I am not listening to it in any specific order either. The amazing thing is, you could have this profound experience with his music regardless of order listened to, it is that immortal.
The German way of writing minuet is "menuet", and during the 18th century the German terminology was mixed with the Italian one, and so became Menuetto. You'll only ever see it spelt "minuetto" very rarely. Many of Mozart's earlier works are marked "menuet", but that term soon fell out of fashion and it became menuetto. The minuet itself (when talking about the form, it's spelt like "minuet") was a popular 18th century dance, but soon fell out of fashion as the Classical period merged into the Romantic one. Whilst on his Italian tour with his father, Wolfgang wrote a multitude of symphonies, although they're in the Italian style (three movements; fast-slow-fast), or "sinfonia". Although many of his later symphonies, which he wrote whilst living in Vienna, feature a minuet as the third movement, and a fast (usually allegro or presto) in the final. Wolfgang's set of three divertimenti, K. 136 - 38, which he wrote whilst in Salzburg, are now popularly known as the "Salzburg Symphonies". They aren't symphonies, but divertimenti, an Italian musical form, meant for small gatherings in houses or light formal entertainment. Throughout his life, Wolfgang composed many formal or informal small chamber works, such as his three cassations, K. 63, 99 and 100 (although the final one is now considered a serenade). These compositions were written as "Finalmusik", a form of music played at graduations from the University of Salzburg (now the Salzburg Mozarteum). His serenades were mostly written for formal gatherings, with members of the hierarchy or nobility.
If you listen to any of Leopold's symphonies they sound NOTHING like Wolfgang's second symphony. I dunno know - this does not sound like Leopold, though.
This is the kind of where one would say the "he invented it, the other perfected it" thing. I guess its true that Leopold had an influence on young Wolfgang, despite their distorted relationship between each other outside of musical matter.
This lighthearted from 1762/3 was not written by young Mozart at all but was by (most likely) Carl Friedrich Abel in London which Mozart copied out by hand in Sept 1764 while his father was recuperating from a Streptococcal infection which laid him up for 4 weeks in London - at least he kept the boy genius busy ... !
I know we all want to be able to credit Mozart for this work but listening to this after Wolfgang's Symphony 1 and Symphony 4 it is difficult for me to believe this was his composition alone. Nos. 1 and 4 show an understanding of sonata form but lack variety while this work has rather startling juxtapositions compared to other authentic Wolfgang works of the time. Additionally, this work shows far more independence in voicing (the two oboes intersect range which I know of no instances of in accepted Wolfgang works before 1767). I don't mean to say it's not possible but I don't think it takes anything away from Mozart given his later achievement to say that some of the formerly credited early works may have been written by his father.
Great. Making the most of the quarantine, i'm listening thru the entire symphonies. Somehow the Brits totally seem to have the goods on how to play young Mozart! Youthfully exuberant, molto allegro IS molto allegro. (Whereas so many sophisticated German and Austrian conductors are too fearful to let go and forget the childhood exuberance.) All adults were kids once but few do remember. Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince.
I wish today's music sounded this good !! Mozart was way ahead of his time even back then . A lot of today's music sounds mediocre at best . Long live Mozart's Music !
@@mohit4679 Mozart was a great composer of the classical period, but he has not created the whole history of music. The orchestral music of the Lion King (Hans Zimmer) has a different style in respect to the music of the classical period and some pieces of the suite, like for example "This Land", give me goosebumps. Mozart can not replace Hans Zimmer and Zimmer can not replace Mozart. Without Mozart, his symphonies wouldn't exist. Withouth Hans Zimmer, the score of the Lion King wouldn't exist. I want to listen to both. When someone says that someone is the best composer is a bar talk, because two different composers don't write the same music and every composer add something to the galaxy of music.
@@ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks Totally different, perhaps if JW and HZ were to write a 40 minute symphony or a Mass and Mozart came back to write music for Harry Potter or a film we might have something to compare.
No digais idioteces, se ha comprobado que las primeras sinfonias de mozart, excepto la 1, sa sabe que esta sinfonia es de su padre leopold, asi como la n3 es de cristian bach. en cuanto a la edade, ronda entre los 6 u 8 anos.
He was, what, eight when he composed this? It's utterly forgettable and yet a million times better than anything I could come up with if I lived for a million years.
Utterly forgettable is perhaps a bit harsh, but it's almost certainly by Leopold and not Wolfgang Mozart. It is no longer listed in the Köchel catalogue as a work by Mozart. Many works formerly thought to be by Mozart have been shown to be spurious. In some cases publishers used his name to increase sales.
+Peiyun Xue It is in the technique. The style of composing which is far too stiff and very much in the "stile galante" something which Wolfgang also did in the beginning but with great flexibility. The flow is here missing and also the typical surprise moments Wolfgang always had in store are completely missing. These are all give-aways. There was no copyright in those days and famous composers' names such as Haydn, Mozart were often added to second rate compositions for a quick sale. It was a very lucrative business for the publishers and copyists. Sometimes the copyist couldn't read the name and just put Mozart's name on it, or they simply misread a name. There is a certain symphony attributed to Anton Filtz, Ignaz Franzl, JC Bach, Wenzel Pichl and Joseph Haydn. This is just one example. We will never find out who really wrote it. Same is true for this K17 Symphony we are listening to.
+Bartje Bartmans Yes, A bit like Boyce, isn't it? Rather English don't you think? 1st Symphony is more like Mozart, Dad was sick then so maybe that's why he had his own voice and lost it a bit for the 2nd?
+Pamela Moutoussi Sorry, but it is nothing like Boyce (a late baroque composer who followed on from Handel and sounds much like him) and is certainly not English. It is an early classical or galant style, similar to J.C.Bach or Stamitz. It is very much like early Mozart, if perhaps less inventive and more predictable, but one can understand it being mistaken for Mozart until fairly recently. Mozart's early works do inevitably show the influence of his father, who is almost certainly the composer of this work. Of course the 1st symphony is more like Mozart, as it is indeed Mozart! The idea that he lost his voice and then recovered it is fanciful. He was discovering and developing his voice throughout this time, largely influenced by J.C.Bach while in London. By the way the statement "we will never find out who really wrote it" is not necessarily true. Discovery of original manuscripts linked to advances in modern technology (examination of the paper used, etc.) continues to yield some very interesting and important results
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People saying this wasnt composed by Mozart? I dont know about that, you hear is signature composition with the violins in later symphonies. It just has this predictable tremolo sound.
I think it's because Leopold's compositional style is closely associated to CPE Bach, especially in the first movement and minuet, combined with an element of light humour ...
If this is, indeed, the work of Papa Leopold, and not the work of the ridiculously precocious Amadeus, then Leopold is going to have to be given a second look as a composer of considerable merit in his own right.
@@andrews582 Well quite a few of Wolfie's symphonies have been attributed to Papa Leopold, and so are sometimes recorded under his name. The list is as follows: *Symphony in C major, KV 16b/Anh. 222* (composed in 1764 by Leopold in London) *Symphony in F major, KV 76/42a* (Neal Zaslaw states that it's possibly by Leopold, but Cliff Eisen states that it's neither Leopold nor Wolfgang, and the composer is still unknown) *Symphony in F major, KV 98/Anh. C11.04* (for years it was considered by Wolfgang, then its authenticity was changed to Leopold, and finally scholars agree that it has a completely different composer entirely. It's the only one of Mozart's surviving symphonies that hasn't been recorded) *Symphony in D major, KV Anh. 219/C11.06* (originally listed in B&H as a symphony by Mozart, it's now known to be an authentic work by Leopold) *Symphony in D major, KV 81/73l* (the authenticity is tossed between Wolfgang and Leopold, and it's never been properly authenticated) *Symphony No. 11 in D major, KV 84/73q* (the authenticity is often split between Wolfgang, Leopold and Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf; catalogued as "No. 11" in the Alte and Neue Mozart Ausgabe). *Symphony in G major, KV Anh. 293/C11.09* (now widely accepted as a symphony by Leopold) *Symphony in G major, KV Anh. 294/C11.13* (identified in the as a symphony by Leopold by Neal Zaslaw in the 1990s) *Symphony in G major, KV deest* (known as the "Neue Lambacher", Zaslaw concludes that it's an authentic symphony by Leopold, despite often being recorded under Wolfgang's name) *Symphony in B flat major, KV 17/C11.02* (most likely by Leopold, but still widely disputed).
SALUT ! Es tu sur que la symphonie no 2 et no 3 soient bien des symphonies de Mozart ? Car si tu écoute leur style avec celui de la no 1 ou no 4, ce n'est pas du tout la même chose...
- Woooolfgaaang! take out the garbage, would ya! - just a moment, mom. I finish this so that some noobs can listen to good music when colonizing space. dammm, he wrote this as a child in B flat. and I (not a child) still don't know what B flat is. (nor do I care)
This delightfully light piece sounds like a combination of Leopold Mozart, Eberlin & Carl Friedrich Abel - it certainly is not by a 9-year old Wolfgang Mozart - but should be given as an example of the kind of Sinfonias written at the same time Mozart himself was composing his first dozen or so Sinfonias (whilst visiting London & Paris & the Hague between Sept 1764 & December 1766) it is quite possible the young Mozart copied out this very same Sinfona as an exercise - the usual method employ’d with burgeoning young composers in the 18th century …
Thanks, that's great, but... Everyone knows that immediately after Symphony No. 1, Mozart wrote Symphony No. 3, so Symphony No. 2 is considered not written by Mozart.
Isaias Ramos Garcia Firstly it is not true that for all musicologists Mozart is superior and it is silly to compare Mozart and Haydn in that way. But more importantly this work is not by Mozart, it is by his father Leopold, and all musicologists certainly agree that Haydn's music is superior to this!
if anything maybe it was an assignment mozart himself refused to do and leopold just decided to complete, who knows as for why does this sound like leopold mozart or haydn, they were his teachers, so why would they not? he was 10 or so. read some history, its all there.
Steve Wallschlaeger Mozart was not one of Haydn's students. They didn't even meet until 1783 or so. They were very good friends and played music at small parties together. It sounds like you need to do some research. Its all there.
This is not a child's writing, is way too mature for a 8-9 years old to write this. Could it be his father Leopold Mozart? I know this is not Mozart because there is a drastic compositional style from his 1st and 3rd symphony.
This does not sound like Mozart. The style is a complete departure of that of his other symphonies. I suspect another composer wrote this. Very beautiful nonetheless.
We'll probably never know for sure, but many scholars now believe this to be the work of Mozart's father Leopold. There are certainly several Leopold works that sound stylistically similar to this, so I think they're probably right.
Mozart was 3 months old when he wrote this,unbelievable
No you're wrong. He was 4 months old.
@@paulus7562 No no no, you're wrong, he was a newborn when this was written, maybe only a few weeks old.
@Windmill Willy Actually, he was still a fetus when he wrote this piece. I was there and saw it with my own eyes.
What 3 months 😂 😂
Hi im fucking 2 days old and love this shit, i will be writing tastier jams than this soon
Died at 35, his complete works take up 170 cd's. Phenomenal output. Over 27 years, 6-7 cd's worth of work EVERY YEAR.
Originally 180 CDs (Philips Complete Mozart Edition), then 170 (Brilliant Classics; this was a cheap stripped-down Complete Edition and is NOT worth buying) and finally 200 (Decca + Deutsche Grammophon + Mozarteum Foundation; this was "Mozart 225: The New Complete Edition", with newly discovered works and a whole section dedicated to fragments and discoveries.)
More than 170. The Philips Edition compiled 180 discs, Mozart 225 was 200 discs, and there are still far more compositions out there that haven't been discovered or just have never been recorded. But I get what you meant.
Symphony No. 2 in B♭ major, KV 17, is now considered to be not by Wolfgang, but by possibly his father, Leopold Mozart. This symphony has been given the number Anhang C 11.02 in the sixth edition of Ludwig Ritter von Köchel's catalog of Mozart's music, and is now also catalogued as Eisen B♭ 6 in Cliff Eisen's catalog of Leopold Mozart's symphonies.
How would we know that it’s Leopold’s?
@@_____c___482 because this is Leopold Baroque style... Try to hear some Leopold and you will know that
Abed Yassine maybe he was inspired
Without the slightest doubt this is by the father Leopold although there could be some melodical inventions contributed by his son Wolfgang. The style is far too “classical late baroque” which you can hear in similar compositions by C.Ph. E. Bach, Stamitz and others. Mozart, even as a young boy, was far more unconventionell and genius. Listen to the ouverture from his ópera “Apollo et Hyazinthus”, for example, Wolfgang is extremely fresh in every detail, although this work here is excellent stuff. Leopold Mozart was a good composer, but his son was “God’s composer” or, “God” himself composed through him.
@@passje8007 this "song"? How can I take you serious when you talk like that. Plus, where are your references and sources.
I know a fair bit of Mozart's music, but there is still a lot I have not heard. Every single time I hear something new by Mozart, I am far more amazed than the time before. I am not listening to it in any specific order either. The amazing thing is, you could have this profound experience with his music regardless of order listened to, it is that immortal.
This symphony is considered to be written by Leopold Mozard, who, by all means, also wrote quite pleasant music.
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Kim Oksoon me too
?tho it didn't help with english did it
@@aboody404 Your English isn't much better ...
@@danielwilson3671 damn, I was actually pretty rude 4 *Years* ago💀
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1. Allegro (0:00)
2. Andante (5:00)
3. Menuetto I (9:36), Menuetto II (10:37), repeat of Menuetto I (11:48)
4. Presto (12:20)
Minuetto. Not Menuetto.
@@GDA1521 the right pronunciation is menuetto
It’s written correctly as in “Minuetto” the right pronunciation is something like “Mee-noo-ay-tow”.
@@federicovalvassori5738 the right pronunciation is: mi-nuet-to like you write
The German way of writing minuet is "menuet", and during the 18th century the German terminology was mixed with the Italian one, and so became Menuetto. You'll only ever see it spelt "minuetto" very rarely. Many of Mozart's earlier works are marked "menuet", but that term soon fell out of fashion and it became menuetto. The minuet itself (when talking about the form, it's spelt like "minuet") was a popular 18th century dance, but soon fell out of fashion as the Classical period merged into the Romantic one. Whilst on his Italian tour with his father, Wolfgang wrote a multitude of symphonies, although they're in the Italian style (three movements; fast-slow-fast), or "sinfonia". Although many of his later symphonies, which he wrote whilst living in Vienna, feature a minuet as the third movement, and a fast (usually allegro or presto) in the final. Wolfgang's set of three divertimenti, K. 136 - 38, which he wrote whilst in Salzburg, are now popularly known as the "Salzburg Symphonies". They aren't symphonies, but divertimenti, an Italian musical form, meant for small gatherings in houses or light formal entertainment. Throughout his life, Wolfgang composed many formal or informal small chamber works, such as his three cassations, K. 63, 99 and 100 (although the final one is now considered a serenade). These compositions were written as "Finalmusik", a form of music played at graduations from the University of Salzburg (now the Salzburg Mozarteum). His serenades were mostly written for formal gatherings, with members of the hierarchy or nobility.
Classical music is underrated
yes
no its not there are still cover bands of it 200 years later
Bach is underrated.
@@SimpleBach 100%
from who?
When I was 9 I remember I learnt how to produce fart sound using my left hand and my right armpit. I was so proud.
lmao
Actually, I bet the 9 year old Mozart would have keenly admired this!
A trumpet concerto I composed when I was 12 is now believed to have been written by Leopold Mozart.
Its amazing how a child can make this Music. Not Mozart best pieces, but im very impressed.
If you listen to any of Leopold's symphonies they sound NOTHING like Wolfgang's second symphony. I dunno know - this does not sound like Leopold, though.
great symphony
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The Great young Mozart...sublime!
This is the kind of where one would say the "he invented it, the other perfected it" thing. I guess its true that Leopold had an influence on young Wolfgang, despite their distorted relationship between each other outside of musical matter.
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C'est magnifique. Typiquement Mozart.
Que falta de respeto, que a mitad de esta sublime sinfonía,youtube ponga propagandas, que falta de respeto hacia las bellas artes .
Amazing beautiful composition from a 13 year old
This lighthearted from 1762/3 was not written by young Mozart at all but was by (most likely) Carl Friedrich Abel in London which Mozart copied out by hand in Sept 1764 while his father was recuperating from a Streptococcal infection which laid him up for 4 weeks in London - at least he kept the boy genius busy ... !
That's K18, this is 17.
Wasn't that his third symphony?
Do not know much)))), but feel an adult hand, seems to me))) if it belongs to his father so the son is his best music)))) thanks for the
release
I know we all want to be able to credit Mozart for this work but listening to this after Wolfgang's Symphony 1 and Symphony 4 it is difficult for me to believe this was his composition alone. Nos. 1 and 4 show an understanding of sonata form but lack variety while this work has rather startling juxtapositions compared to other authentic Wolfgang works of the time. Additionally, this work shows far more independence in voicing (the two oboes intersect range which I know of no instances of in accepted Wolfgang works before 1767). I don't mean to say it's not possible but I don't think it takes anything away from Mozart given his later achievement to say that some of the formerly credited early works may have been written by his father.
True! Too wide gap in maturity. Mozart is also human after all
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Great. Making the most of the quarantine, i'm listening thru the entire symphonies. Somehow the Brits totally seem to have the goods on how to play young Mozart! Youthfully exuberant, molto allegro IS molto allegro. (Whereas so many sophisticated German and Austrian conductors are too fearful to let go and forget the childhood exuberance.) All adults were kids once but few do remember. Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince.
I am listening the whole thing too!
❤💌😇🤍🤍MOZART.....!✨✨💫🌈🌈🌠🌠🌠🌠🌠
This is so healng.....
Patti Smythe you’re very right
I wish today's music sounded this good !! Mozart was way ahead of his time even back then . A lot of today's music sounds mediocre at best . Long live Mozart's Music !
This is not true. John Williams and Hans Zimmer for example are as good as Mozart.
@@ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks Williams and Zimmer are good but let's not pretend there as good as Mozart very few are
@@mohit4679 Mozart was a great composer of the classical period, but he has not created the whole history of music. The orchestral music of the Lion King (Hans Zimmer) has a different style in respect to the music of the classical period and some pieces of the suite, like for example "This Land", give me goosebumps.
Mozart can not replace Hans Zimmer and Zimmer can not replace Mozart. Without Mozart, his symphonies wouldn't exist. Withouth Hans Zimmer, the score of the Lion King wouldn't exist. I want to listen to both.
When someone says that someone is the best composer is a bar talk, because two different composers don't write the same music and every composer add something to the galaxy of music.
By the way this piece is of Leopold Mozart (the father of W.A. Mozart), so we should talk about his father.
@@ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks Totally different, perhaps if JW and HZ were to write a 40 minute symphony or a Mass and Mozart came back to write music for Harry Potter or a film we might have something to compare.
I see the thread below of WHO wrote it. Is it so important? it is indeed a quality creation meant to be listened, absorbed...felt, not discussed.
Eine erstaunliche Sättigung der zauberhaften Melodien !!! Tepper Michael.
I am so glad to meet such a lovely symphony 💕
Simple the Best! The Holly Trinity Mozart bethoveen Vivaldi together!!! no separated.
幼くても聴き手の心をしっかり掴んでますネ。👏👏…さすが天才モーツァルト👍👍‼️
No digais idioteces, se ha comprobado que las primeras sinfonias de mozart, excepto la 1, sa sabe que esta sinfonia es de su padre leopold, asi como la n3 es de cristian bach.
en cuanto a la edade, ronda entre los 6 u 8 anos.
if I had been told it was his twentieth symphony I would have been none the wiser my enjoyment not diminished by my own foolishness
He was, what, eight when he composed this? It's utterly forgettable and yet a million times better than anything I could come up with if I lived for a million years.
Utterly forgettable is perhaps a bit harsh, but it's almost certainly by Leopold and not Wolfgang Mozart. It is no longer listed in the Köchel catalogue as a work by Mozart. Many works formerly thought to be by Mozart have been shown to be spurious. In some cases publishers used his name to increase sales.
I've never thought about that, but there isn't any prove that his father wrote it right??
+Peiyun Xue It is in the technique. The style of composing which is far too stiff and very much in the "stile galante" something which Wolfgang also did in the beginning but with great flexibility. The flow is here missing and also the typical surprise moments Wolfgang always had in store are completely missing. These are all give-aways. There was no copyright in those days and famous composers' names such as Haydn, Mozart were often added to second rate compositions for a quick sale. It was a very lucrative business for the publishers and copyists. Sometimes the copyist couldn't read the name and just put Mozart's name on it, or they simply misread a name. There is a certain symphony attributed to Anton Filtz, Ignaz Franzl, JC Bach, Wenzel Pichl and Joseph Haydn. This is just one example. We will never find out who really wrote it. Same is true for this K17 Symphony we are listening to.
+Bartje Bartmans Yes, A bit like Boyce, isn't it? Rather English don't you think? 1st Symphony is more like Mozart, Dad was sick then so maybe that's why he had his own voice and lost it a bit for the 2nd?
+Pamela Moutoussi Sorry, but it is nothing like Boyce (a late baroque composer who followed on from Handel and sounds much like him) and is certainly not English. It is an early classical or galant style, similar to J.C.Bach or Stamitz. It is very much like early Mozart, if perhaps less inventive and more predictable, but one can understand it being mistaken for Mozart until fairly recently. Mozart's early works do inevitably show the influence of his father, who is almost certainly the composer of this work. Of course the 1st symphony is more like Mozart, as it is indeed Mozart! The idea that he lost his voice and then recovered it is fanciful. He was discovering and developing his voice throughout this time, largely influenced by J.C.Bach while in London. By the way the statement "we will never find out who really wrote it" is not necessarily true. Discovery of original manuscripts linked to advances in modern technology (examination of the paper used, etc.) continues to yield some very interesting and important results
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The part after 1:17 reminds me of his 14th concerto after about 2 mins in, scales going down like that.
Está Sinfonías la he escuchado pocas veces la siento como unas de las sinfoniias más Emblemáticas todos deberían escuchar la música de Mozart es inpiraaradora hace bien al alma 😢😮😅
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People saying this wasnt composed by Mozart? I dont know about that, you hear is signature composition with the violins in later symphonies. It just has this predictable tremolo sound.
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beautiful !! Thank you
Wonderful
Beautiful Allegro
Surprise, this piece wasn't really composed by Mozart, probably. It was most likely written by his father.
I think it's because Leopold's compositional style is closely associated to CPE Bach, especially in the first movement and minuet, combined with an element of light humour ...
I figure his father helped refine but didn't actually compose.
Which still means that it was written by Mozart.
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If this is, indeed, the work of Papa Leopold, and not the work of the ridiculously precocious Amadeus, then Leopold is going to have to be given a second look as a composer of considerable merit in his own right.
If Papa Mozart wrote this i wonder if there are any more symphonies by him that are available on CD?
@@andrews582 Well quite a few of Wolfie's symphonies have been attributed to Papa Leopold, and so are sometimes recorded under his name. The list is as follows:
*Symphony in C major, KV 16b/Anh. 222* (composed in 1764 by Leopold in London)
*Symphony in F major, KV 76/42a* (Neal Zaslaw states that it's possibly by Leopold, but Cliff Eisen states that it's neither Leopold nor Wolfgang, and the composer is still unknown)
*Symphony in F major, KV 98/Anh. C11.04* (for years it was considered by Wolfgang, then its authenticity was changed to Leopold, and finally scholars agree that it has a completely different composer entirely. It's the only one of Mozart's surviving symphonies that hasn't been recorded)
*Symphony in D major, KV Anh. 219/C11.06* (originally listed in B&H as a symphony by Mozart, it's now known to be an authentic work by Leopold)
*Symphony in D major, KV 81/73l* (the authenticity is tossed between Wolfgang and Leopold, and it's never been properly authenticated)
*Symphony No. 11 in D major, KV 84/73q* (the authenticity is often split between Wolfgang, Leopold and Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf; catalogued as "No. 11" in the Alte and Neue Mozart Ausgabe).
*Symphony in G major, KV Anh. 293/C11.09* (now widely accepted as a symphony by Leopold)
*Symphony in G major, KV Anh. 294/C11.13* (identified in the as a symphony by Leopold by Neal Zaslaw in the 1990s)
*Symphony in G major, KV deest* (known as the "Neue Lambacher", Zaslaw concludes that it's an authentic symphony by Leopold, despite often being recorded under Wolfgang's name)
*Symphony in B flat major, KV 17/C11.02* (most likely by Leopold, but still widely disputed).
SALUT ! Es tu sur que la symphonie no 2 et no 3 soient bien des symphonies de Mozart ? Car si tu écoute leur style avec celui de la no 1 ou no 4, ce n'est pas du tout la même chose...
- Woooolfgaaang! take out the garbage, would ya!
- just a moment, mom. I finish this so that some noobs can listen to good music when colonizing space.
dammm, he wrote this as a child in B flat. and I (not a child) still don't know what B flat is.
(nor do I care)
Ok
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09'35" (Mozart Example from Assignments)
Well it maybe from Mozart but not from Wolfgang but by Leopold Mozart
Si elles sont de son père, où sont la 2 et 3 de Mozart ???
Wow. What a very nice *not* Mozart symphony.
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If spurious, why is in this series?
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Minuet 9:35
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This delightfully light piece sounds like a combination of Leopold Mozart, Eberlin & Carl Friedrich Abel - it certainly is not by a 9-year old Wolfgang Mozart - but should be given as an example of the kind of Sinfonias written at the same time Mozart himself was composing his first dozen or so Sinfonias (whilst visiting London & Paris & the Hague between Sept 1764 & December 1766) it is quite possible the young Mozart copied out this very same Sinfona as an exercise - the usual method employ’d with burgeoning young composers in the 18th century …
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Thanks, that's great, but... Everyone knows that immediately after Symphony No. 1, Mozart wrote Symphony No. 3, so Symphony No. 2 is considered not written by Mozart.
Possibly by J.C.Bach
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if this wasn't by him what was his 2nd symphony? @Jeffery Teng
Jordan Orenberg most likely the 4th.
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Have heard some of Leopolds works and this is definitely more his style
i couldnt distinguish this from Haydn
Haydn's works are far superior to this, and display greater invention and originality.
no, for al musicologists Mozart is superior. Haydn is superb, but Mozart is gooder(!)
Isaias Ramos Garcia Firstly it is not true that for all musicologists Mozart is superior and it is silly to compare Mozart and Haydn in that way. But more importantly this work is not by Mozart, it is by his father Leopold, and all musicologists certainly agree that Haydn's music is superior to this!
realy? Then why it apears on top: W.A.Mozart - KV 17, etc.? RUclips isnt always right
Isaias Ramos Garcia Exactly!
God I hope this will be in Cyberpunk
I prefer something dark, melancholy, dramatic or tragic myself.
if anything maybe it was an assignment mozart himself refused to do and leopold just decided to complete, who knows as for why does this sound like leopold mozart or haydn, they were his teachers, so why would they not? he was 10 or so. read some history, its all there.
Steve Wallschlaeger Mozart was not one of Haydn's students. They didn't even meet until 1783 or so. They were very good friends and played music at small parties together. It sounds like you need to do some research. Its all there.
Joseph John out from under which rock did you crawl go back to it. i am not the one who needs study and furthermore you can leave me alone
haydn was the student mozart the teacher common knowledge and dont misquote what i said
Mozart started to have a beard and an itchy feeling down when he was only 2 years of age.
This is not a child's writing, is way too mature for a 8-9 years old to write this. Could it be his father Leopold Mozart? I know this is not Mozart because there is a drastic compositional style from his 1st and 3rd symphony.
Joondo Chang agreed, symphony 1 however, does sound a bit more child-like. I wonder if Mozart himself wrote that one?
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This does not sound like Mozart. The style is a complete departure of that of his other symphonies. I suspect another composer wrote this. Very beautiful nonetheless.
We'll probably never know for sure, but many scholars now believe this to be the work of Mozart's father Leopold. There are certainly several Leopold works that sound stylistically similar to this, so I think they're probably right.
Maybe wolfgang was inspired by one of leopold symphonies?
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French horns in B high or low ? ( B alto or B basso ? )
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Say what you want, but like wearing masks in the 21st Century, I think it would have sucked to wear obligatory wigs in the 18th!
This is definitely not Mozart. too predictable and full of cliche. Mozart was too original for this