IKR? Actually in several Native American cultures, hair is actually considered sacred. I read in some cultures only certain people could touch another’s hair, that’s how important it was. Having John gently undo her hair so it can flow freely just made it seem kinda sexual tbh
aaaw, why didn't they keep this part? it reflects the ending scene where john smith asks Pocahontas to come with him to England, but she says she can't because she belongs here. and it shows that she wanted him to stay since the beginning, but couldn't let him because he needed medical treatment.
Well, do remember he didn’t mean for her to live in England with him. I always thought he simply wanted to show her London and all the incredible things she’d never see in Jamestown, and once he got better they’d return to her village and he’d ask for permission to marry her. Its pretty obvious once he saw just how magical and beautiful her world truly was, he never wanted to leave, as he didn’t consider London his home. If anything, this scene would’ve better contrast when Rolfe falls in love with her as a lady, and she’s so uncomfortable in a huge dress and can hardly walk in those shoes. Legit English clothes, especially dresses, could be pretty heavy and uncomfortable to wear.
@@kristinahuchison2511agreed, and you made me realize… at the end when she said she couldn’t go with him and that she belongs here, couldn’t she have just gone with him until his wounds were healed and then they come back together? Hmm, maybe with tensions the way they were, she didn’t want to leave his and her people alone…? Edit: Also, just to clarify, I wasn’t saying he wanted her to live in England with him. At least not until he got hurt and had to go back to England
@@yahyaL0V3 well, the idea is she knew he might not even survive even if he made it back to London. It’s not actually said in the movie, but I think there was another reason why she couldn’t go with him aside being there for her people. She couldn’t watch him die. Think about how many times he already almost died in the movie, especially the part when he noticed Ratcliffe’s sneaky attempt to kill her dad, she had absolutely no idea about that or John was going to almost die in front of her to protect her dad to prevent the war. Its not until he lets go of her she doesn’t realize what is happening until he falls to the ground like a limp rag doll. And they made it clear in the ending, Thomas tells her his only chance of survival is going to London, unfortunately his wound is too serious to heal here. Even the way John speaks, you can tell he’s weaker and trying so hard to hide his pain from her. Anyways, what would’ve happened if she went with him, but his wound got infected or worse and there was absolutely nothing she could do aside just be there for him until his dying days? Then she’d be all alone in a strange world with absolutely no way to get back home for probably how many months, as that’s just how travel worked back then. Plus she understood how fragile the peace was between their groups because no one from her tribe understood the English like she did, and they respected her for saving their captain’s life. So she could do more by being a middleman and preparing to become a chief someday than going with John under the threat he might not even live. Actually a friend of mine who’s also a huge Pocahontas fan was talking about the Spirit of Love doll set, its very possible it was based on deleted concept where Pocahontas marries John Smith, and assumably he is welcomed and accepted by her people to live in their village because they respect him and understand he isn’t like the others. But as I mentioned, when John asks her to go with him, I was always under the impression he simply wanted to show her London because he got to see her world, and as soon as he assumably got better, they’d sail back home because she is wherever he belonged, given he literally confirmed he doesn’t consider London his home.
@@kristinahuchison2511 I personally think it was less about her seeing London and a lot more about him not wanting to be without her. He was hurt and so was forced to return, so when he asked her to come, it was about not wanting to leave her
@@yahyaL0V3 well, it was both for me. I know that he already knew she’d probably say no, that’s why he wasn’t shocked or sad at her decision, simply replying he isn’t leaving her. And I found that incredibly sweet he’s comfortable dying in her land if meant he could be with her! Like, he never wanted to leave her land because he admitted he doesn’t really consider London home. And notice anytime in the movie he isn’t with her, he’s almost always sad. All he wanted was to be with her and be accepted by her people and father. But as I mentioned wanted to show her a whole new world just like she showed him
This is a really good moment between the two. I felt that their relationship was rushed in the movie. She meets John. He shows her a compass. She shows him corn. Pocahontas sings "colors of the wind" and BOOM, their ready to defy the world and die for each other. This shows some more building of the relationship. I would have liked and respected John a lot more if they had used this scene. This shows he doesn't want to change her AND that he doesn't really have a true home in the sense of belonging. When Pocahontas offers him to call America his home this sends a good message of home not just being a place where people act and look like you, but a place that contains the people who care for and love you.
I disagree. Comparing their screentime together to other couples, Pocahontas and John Smith actually had a lot of scenes together. And I feel they’re one of the first couples that actually took the time to get to know each other before starting a relationship, as shown with her refusing his first kiss. Though I do agree I always felt the part with him meeting Grandmother Willow felt a scene or song had been deleted, which really sucks. Their relationship imo much better developed than more popular couples like Ariel and Eric, who literally only spend like 2 days together and BAM got married, despite they don’t actually share an actual conversation before marriage. Or Aladdin and Jasmine, he literally lies nearly the entire time and I know Jasmine understands why he felt he couldn’t be honest with her, but it gives off a bad taste he basically got away with lying the entire time. And Hercules and Meg, they don’t have as much scenes together until her betrayal, but everyone loves she dies to protect him, but no one gives a crap about Pocahontas and John Smith prepared to die for each other. I just don’t get what they’re missing aside him being a bit stupid at first, given how much he changed to the point he almost dies in the movie
I like this scene...it's cute... it also gives a reason for why she said (in the end of the film) "I'm needed here" when she leaves John Smith. cuz in the ending when she just said: "I'm needed here" the whole time i was thinking..."and your point is????...." this small scene kinda explains that a little more. She's just not meant to be a english woman..
The point of her saying that was she really wanted to see London for herself and felt John Smith was one of the few people who loved her as she truly was and didn’t expect her to be someone else like Kocuom, her dad or John Rolfe. She even sings about wanting something exciting and adventurous, which isn’t something her village can provide, given its a quieter environment. She desperately wanted to go with John and see all the incredible things he told her about his world, but unfortunately she felt she’d be putting her people in danger if she left. They didn’t really understand her, but she still deeply loved and cared about them, and didn’t have the heart to leave them for a little while. The point of her saying that was to tell John “I really want to go with you, but my people need me more. I’m sorry” It completely broke her heart having to give up her dreams and a golden opportunity she knew she’d never get again for the greater good of her tribe, but she made peace in her heart by understanding it was ultimately the right decision, despite it was a difficult one
Aw, that was cute! I would've loved to see it animated. I think they could've kept it, it wasn't too long(ish). The native american-afied english dress amuses me.
Honestly it disappoints me so much Pocahontas doesn’t have another dress the entire movie. Like Ariel has like 5 dresses, Belle has 5, Jasmine has 5, and even Esmerelda has 4 looks. I seriously don’t understand why Pocahontas is stuck in the same outfit the entire time. Its not like native women wear only one outfit their entire lives. Like the only good thing that came from that abysmal sequel is at least she got a couple new looks, despite I personally didn’t like her English dress that much.
NGL its honestly so disappointing how many scenes got cut. Pocahontas is actually the shortest movie of the Renaissance, like 7 minutes at least. Never got why. I seriously don’t understand why this scene and especially If I Never Knew You got cut. Disney literally sucked the fun out of this movie. I get it has a more serious tone, but come on. Lion King and especially Hunchback of Notre Dame had very mature and dark themes too, and their movies are a lot funnier (not counting the gargoyles) I feel the humor could’ve easily worked for Pocahontas and John’s relationship, considering they’re both free spirited goofballs who like having fun and teasing their friends
@horseygurl258 I am on the boat of confusion with you. This is something that they should have kept! It actually shows a man liking a woman for being different & for being who she is. It's something that girls need to see & understand, in my opinion.
I agree! It shows how John could already tell how ridiculous she looks as a “proper lady” and likes she isn’t like them, instead encouraging her she’s much more beautiful and amazing as she truly is
Same! I actually laughed at how he’s like “Believe me, you don’t wanna know how women in London are like” and really loves Pocahontas is nowhere near what he thinks of as a typical woman. She’s beautiful, but she’s free spirited, curious, whimsical, silly and playful. Keeping this scene definitely would’ve proved he truly loves her because of her personality and NOT because he thinks she’s hot. A lot of people love complaining “John Smith didn’t truly love Pocahontas, he simply liked her because she was beautiful” which flat out untrue. Like Ariel literally falls for Eric simply because he’s a human and very handsome. Or same with Phoebus and Esmerelda, he merely thinks she’s hot, and seeing her feisty personality around the guards just made him like her more. If this scene stayed, it definitely would’ve contrasted with how John Smith really loves Pocahontas as she truly is and loves she isn’t like other girls, she’s unique. While John Rolfe spent the majority of their time trying to make her fit into his world and fell in love with her as an English lady
I feel like if this scene was left in and they still made the stupid sequel no one would like Rolfe (and rightfully so) and the sequel would probably get even more hate and it got an overwhelming amount of hate (which it deserved) 🤣🤣
@@SunshineBarbie-sv4bi well, I mean the sequel still got a ton of hate. The people who complained about the original movie hated the sequel just as much. Why the heck Disney chose to change her love interest to shut them up was just wrong as it pissed off the majority that didn’t give a crap about historical accuracy
@@kristinahuchison2511 for real !! Like if they wanted historical accuracy they should have bitched at Hercules for not showing him killing Megara and their kids
I like the scene especially when he says that she belongs with her people but I honestly think that the “ I never really belonged anywhere” like didn’t fit really well it didn’t blend nicely with the scene. I think that in the final version when SHE ASKS if he will go home and he says that he never belonged anywhere worked better then just through that line out of nowhere in this scene.
I don’t mind it. I always felt John Smith was kinda a lone wolf before he met Pocahontas, and realizing how vain being a captain was, he all of a sudden knows where he belongs. I don’t think he had family or friends back in London, as shown with him not saying goodbye to anyone, and when the ship sails, he’s literally looking at the sea, just itching for the New World. I think if the dialogue was reworded to have her ask about when he’ll return to London, then he admits he doesn’t consider London his home. In my rewrite I added where he’s actually been an orphan his entire life with no family, and didn’t really have friends either, but was always fascinated with the huge ships and their spoils from different countries. So in a way the world became his home, until he met a certain woman that would change his life forever
Nah, sequel would’ve ended the way it was supposed to, with John Smith going back with Pocahontas to live in her village and start a family! Imo, Rolfe’s choice to completely abandon his life in London and live a drastically different lifestyle with Pocahontas felt like it completely came out of nowhere. I honestly can’t see Rolfe being happy living like her people do, considering he’s used to living the complete opposite
I disagree. Pocahontas and John Smith were one of the first Disney couples that actually took the time to get to know each other before starting a relationship. Like their first date is mostly about them having a cultural exchange and simply getting to know each other, not so much “lovey dovey” You wanna complain about a couple that barely knew each other and only spent less than 3 days together and still got married? Ariel and Eric, as they don’t even share an actual conversation before marriage.
@Kristina Huchison alright let me dispell this misconception that the wedding happens immediately after Princes and Princesses get together. It's never implied, it's shorthand. Eric and Ariel have clear distinct personalities and the whole 3 days us about them spending time together and trying to communicate. I like dialogue and I would've liked to see more of it but I understand show don't tell gets the point across just fine, again because their personalities do all the heavy lifting. Pocahontas doesn't really have a personality besides freedom and strength, which she shares half of with John. I struggle to rmemeber what happens after colors of the wind, I think there's a helmet scene, and then the reveal. These aren't character moments because they're explaining their cultures, not how they exist as individuals within said cultures. John Smith does a better job of it though because his whole shtick is going against his culture. Pocahontas likes canoeing, at any point do they partake in a canoe ride or share hobbies?
@@jaybonn5973 uh, I majorly disagree with Eric having a personality. To me, he’s basically an improved version of Philip, falling in love with a girl he assumed was a peasant, and he’s the basic kind and compassionate, generic prince. All he’s got going for him is unable to find the perfect girl, and then is hesitant to accept Ariel because he can’t get the mysterious girl out of his head. I felt the movie kinda brushed over Eric discovering she’s actually a mermaid, simply wants to protect her which is noble and all. But we don’t have any scenes of him shocked or flabbergasted or even curious about Atlantica. Heck, in the sequel he never even interacts with her sisters or really talks with Triton. And that’s why Eric is kinda in the middle of my Disney prince list. Versus John Smith is about willing to accept he was wrong and learn from his mistakes, and as shown in this scene loves that Pocahontas isn’t like what he thinks of as a woman, instead she’s silly and playful, but ultimately so beautiful as her true self instead of trying to act like a lady to impress him. I disagree Pocahontas doesn’t have a personality. The canoe represents freedom, as she literally takes off from her village after being told she is expected to marry Kocuom. Her first song is literally about why she can’t be happy with him, and the visuals actually show her relationship with John Smith from start to finish, ending with a fork in the end. Instead of being a typical woman in her village doing her duties or preparing to become a good wife and mother, she literally loves exploring and is fascinated with how beautiful her world is. And she feels the only person who actually understands her aside Nakoma somewhat, is a talking tree and her deceased mother, where she got her free spirited nature from. And when she sees the “strange clouds,” she decides she wants to learn more about them, and ends up spotting a very handsome, yet strange looking man. She literally falls him the entire time, so curious about him in particular. Then you have where they meet and etc. Pocahontas’s personality is literally being curious and open minded, and craving excitement and adventure, which is exactly what John Smith provides perfectly. Not to mention he’s more laidback and a bit of a goofball like her, in comparison to the stern and stoic Kocuom. Also, her story is so much more than simply falling in love with a guy. When he’s arrested and sentenced to death, she feels her entire tribe is so mad at her for the death of a respected warrior, and especially her dad publicly shamed her. She then feels so awful and guilty about everything to the point she was actually afraid to see John Smith one last time, because she feared he would blame her as well and didn’t love her anymore. But its Nakoma who encourages her to see him, and she silently walks up to him, and the moment he recognizes her, he’s so overcome with love and joy he got one last moment with the woman he loves! Fast forward to when she tells Grandmother Willow what happened, she even snaps “I was wrong, I followed the wrong path!” And she feels for a moment she made a mistake in falling in love with a different man, but the moment she realized the compass was what she kept dreaming of, she’s so overcome with happiness and joy she was never wrong to fall in love with John Smith, and the spirits are telling her to stand up for herself and keep fighting for their love! And that’s what convinces Powhatan to stand down and there is strength in forgiveness and peace, not violence and war. Fast forward again to her declining his offer to see London for herself. She clearly wanted to see his world so badly, but felt she’d be endangering her people if she left. So she chooses to help preserve the fragile peace between the groups instead. Her decision is in a way showing she doesn’t need John Smith anymore to stand up for herself. I have a feeling if she never met him, she would’ve never had the courage to finally say no to Kocuom. In a way, John rescued her from herself, and she’s a stronger woman because of her love. I find Pocahontas in a way similar to Ariel in that she’s so curious about learning more about a different culture and oh course falls for a guy that appreciates her differences and she’s not like the other women in London or in her village. While Ariel literally falls madly in love with the first man she looks at, and even screams at Triton “You don’t even know him! Daddy I love him!” Uh, neither do you young lady. All you know is he’s a prince that has a dog and plays the snarfblat. While with Pocahontas snapping at Nakoma she doesn’t know John, she actually has spent a decent amount of time with him and has never been hurt and came back safely. Also your comment about her taking him on a canoe ride, I will agree its very irritating there wasn’t an actual scene, despite there is stockart of it that would be reused for Tangled. I was always under the impression it was from a deleted scene, maybe she shows him her canoe and he notices how lightweight and agile it is compared to his rowboat.
And your theory about Disney couples not just swandiving into a marriage is debunked. Snow White and Aurora both had wedding dress concept art. Like I could’ve sworn it said several times in Sleeping Beauty when she returned to the kingdom she was to marry Prince Philip, even King Hubert babbles about the castle he’s built for them. And Ariel and Eric literally transition from their first kiss and Triton’s approval of them to their wedding scene using the exact same frame. Plus Grimm had been pressuring Eric to find a girl to marry, the statue that Ariel got from Flounder was even Grimm’s originally planned wedding present for Eric. It doesn’t say if Eric was about to be crowned king (because apparently his parents are dead) and is required by law to marry a princess to become a queen to provide heirs, as was the main role of a queen. Even with Pocahontas, she had a deleted song called Dancing to the Wedding Drum where she is almost forced to marry Kocuom, and I’m roughly guessing the timeline in Pocahontas is supposed to be about a month long. Even in the Pocahontas doll collection, there’s a set called the Spirit of Love, and I have a friend who’s a big fan of Pocahontas and John Smith, and collects dolls. She told me its very possible the doll set was based on deleted concept art of Pocahontas marrying John Smith after her father spared him and blesses their relationship and allows John to become a member of their tribe. Or even with Mulan, it’s confirmed it was only a couple of months since Mulan and Shang got married. And with Tiana and Naveen, they married as frogs, but became humans again. Like Rapunzel and Flynn is the only one where it’s actually stated they didn’t just get married right after the movie’s timeline. That’s one of the problems I have with Anna and Kristoff, is the point is getting Anna to realize she can’t just marry a guy she barely knows. BUT she spends basically the same amount of time with Kristoff as she did with Hans, and they end up kissing in the end as if “Yes! I want to marry you someday!” And the sequel cheated around the time issue by simply making the sequel occur 3 years later. Which then leads to why the mysterious voice didn’t appear sooner if Elsa couldn’t hear it until she mastered her powers. Really Pocahontas and John Smith (no I don’t count her choosing that loser Rolfe) and Milo and Kida amongst some other couples don’t just get married in like 3 days of knowing each other. Heck, if anything I could see where Pocahontas and John would’ve been too busy trying to keep their groups getting along. Considering Ratcliffe was imprisoned and sent back to London to face justice for his crimes, it was going to be John’s new duties to oversee the construction of Jamestown and making sure his men aren’t bothering the natives and respect their boundaries. But let’s play devils advocate and use Pocahontas and John Rolfe. Yes they spent 4 months together as they were stuck on a ship, but they only have the one scene of Rolfe telling the captain to leave her alone and she’s an important guest of the king. Otherwise the majority of their relationship is muddled into one day of Pocahontas getting a cultural shock and being stuffed into a dress to impress a bunch of stuck up aristocratic snobs and the next day she’s able to prove Ratcliffe’s treachery and lies by providing the apparently alive John Smith. Fast forward to the end, she picks the wrong dude and he apparently has no qualms in leaving his fancy life to live a much more simple lifestyle in Pocahontas’s village with her. And I’m assuming they instantly got married as soon as they returned and Powhatan screams at her for being so foolish, but decides to let them get married anyway, yada yada. As the entire point of that stupid movie was to change her love interest to who Pocahontas actually married in reality. Sorry, that was long lol
I know! I hate it so much whenever I see a moron arguing “Rolfe understood her love and duties to her people a lot better than Smith ever did” which is flat out wrong. This scene definitely would’ve contrasted with how Smith can easily tell how ridiculous she looks as a lady and doesn’t belong in London, as she’s perfect as is and belongs in her world, while Rolfe fell in love with her as a lady and “civilized”
@nddlj o_O you don't subtext clues very well do you?? there's a shot right before she answers john where she's looking at the two groups (natives americans and the englishmen), implying that she's needed there to help preserve the peace.
Uh yeah. But in the real story Pocahontas died in London sadly. The sequel literally omitted a lot of facts. Her trip had absolutely nothing to do with politics either, she was paraded around as John Rolfe’s “savage” wife. Exactly why I hate Pocahontas 2 so much
@selphiexfairy OIE!! I read subtext just fine...just didn't catch that one in this one movie -________- I never thought much of that "looking back" to the two groups scene. She's actually not needed, haha she doesn't do shit. It's not like she's the chief hahah! She aint no longer needed for peacekeepin' because the peace has already been unleashed..it has done its job =D
There’s literally a scene in the abysmal sequel that perfectly explains why Pocahontas made the right decision by staying instead. More English would be moving to Jamestown and they had no idea that the natives were friendly and didn’t mean any harm. The part with the fat racist perfectly shows how some of the English really were, despite Pocahontas didn’t do anything except save him from being trampled to death by a horse. But why Pocahontas chose effing Rolfe instead
While I felt having less humor fit the more serious tone of the movie, I completely agree. I kinda wished they had Pocahontas and John be the comical characters, considering they’re both goofballs that enjoy teasing their friends and having fun together. Plus I found this scene really sweet and a lot more adorable than the actual scene in the movie. I find it adorable John loves Pocahontas because she isn’t anything like he typically thinks of a woman, even making fun of English women. But especially when he can easily see how ridiculous she looks trying to look like them, and telling her she looks much more beautiful as her true self!
The part where he undoes her hair back to the way it should be is just really touching for some reason.
IKR? Actually in several Native American cultures, hair is actually considered sacred. I read in some cultures only certain people could touch another’s hair, that’s how important it was. Having John gently undo her hair so it can flow freely just made it seem kinda sexual tbh
this is a cute scene. they should have kept it in the movie. would love to see it fully animated and complete.
me too
I like it
For real! This would make it even more painfully obvious that Rolfe is NOT the man for her
aaaw, why didn't they keep this part? it reflects the ending scene where john smith asks Pocahontas to come with him to England, but she says she can't because she belongs here. and it shows that she wanted him to stay since the beginning, but couldn't let him because he needed medical treatment.
Well, do remember he didn’t mean for her to live in England with him. I always thought he simply wanted to show her London and all the incredible things she’d never see in Jamestown, and once he got better they’d return to her village and he’d ask for permission to marry her. Its pretty obvious once he saw just how magical and beautiful her world truly was, he never wanted to leave, as he didn’t consider London his home.
If anything, this scene would’ve better contrast when Rolfe falls in love with her as a lady, and she’s so uncomfortable in a huge dress and can hardly walk in those shoes. Legit English clothes, especially dresses, could be pretty heavy and uncomfortable to wear.
@@kristinahuchison2511agreed, and you made me realize… at the end when she said she couldn’t go with him and that she belongs here, couldn’t she have just gone with him until his wounds were healed and then they come back together? Hmm, maybe with tensions the way they were, she didn’t want to leave his and her people alone…?
Edit: Also, just to clarify, I wasn’t saying he wanted her to live in England with him. At least not until he got hurt and had to go back to England
@@yahyaL0V3 well, the idea is she knew he might not even survive even if he made it back to London. It’s not actually said in the movie, but I think there was another reason why she couldn’t go with him aside being there for her people. She couldn’t watch him die. Think about how many times he already almost died in the movie, especially the part when he noticed Ratcliffe’s sneaky attempt to kill her dad, she had absolutely no idea about that or John was going to almost die in front of her to protect her dad to prevent the war. Its not until he lets go of her she doesn’t realize what is happening until he falls to the ground like a limp rag doll. And they made it clear in the ending, Thomas tells her his only chance of survival is going to London, unfortunately his wound is too serious to heal here. Even the way John speaks, you can tell he’s weaker and trying so hard to hide his pain from her. Anyways, what would’ve happened if she went with him, but his wound got infected or worse and there was absolutely nothing she could do aside just be there for him until his dying days? Then she’d be all alone in a strange world with absolutely no way to get back home for probably how many months, as that’s just how travel worked back then.
Plus she understood how fragile the peace was between their groups because no one from her tribe understood the English like she did, and they respected her for saving their captain’s life. So she could do more by being a middleman and preparing to become a chief someday than going with John under the threat he might not even live.
Actually a friend of mine who’s also a huge Pocahontas fan was talking about the Spirit of Love doll set, its very possible it was based on deleted concept where Pocahontas marries John Smith, and assumably he is welcomed and accepted by her people to live in their village because they respect him and understand he isn’t like the others. But as I mentioned, when John asks her to go with him, I was always under the impression he simply wanted to show her London because he got to see her world, and as soon as he assumably got better, they’d sail back home because she is wherever he belonged, given he literally confirmed he doesn’t consider London his home.
@@kristinahuchison2511 I personally think it was less about her seeing London and a lot more about him not wanting to be without her. He was hurt and so was forced to return, so when he asked her to come, it was about not wanting to leave her
@@yahyaL0V3 well, it was both for me. I know that he already knew she’d probably say no, that’s why he wasn’t shocked or sad at her decision, simply replying he isn’t leaving her. And I found that incredibly sweet he’s comfortable dying in her land if meant he could be with her! Like, he never wanted to leave her land because he admitted he doesn’t really consider London home. And notice anytime in the movie he isn’t with her, he’s almost always sad. All he wanted was to be with her and be accepted by her people and father. But as I mentioned wanted to show her a whole new world just like she showed him
This is a really good moment between the two. I felt that their relationship was rushed in the movie. She meets John. He shows her a compass. She shows him corn. Pocahontas sings "colors of the wind" and BOOM, their ready to defy the world and die for each other. This shows some more building of the relationship. I would have liked and respected John a lot more if they had used this scene. This shows he doesn't want to change her AND that he doesn't really have a true home in the sense of belonging. When Pocahontas offers him to call America his home this sends a good message of home not just being a place where people act and look like you, but a place that contains the people who care for and love you.
I disagree. Comparing their screentime together to other couples, Pocahontas and John Smith actually had a lot of scenes together. And I feel they’re one of the first couples that actually took the time to get to know each other before starting a relationship, as shown with her refusing his first kiss. Though I do agree I always felt the part with him meeting Grandmother Willow felt a scene or song had been deleted, which really sucks. Their relationship imo much better developed than more popular couples like Ariel and Eric, who literally only spend like 2 days together and BAM got married, despite they don’t actually share an actual conversation before marriage. Or Aladdin and Jasmine, he literally lies nearly the entire time and I know Jasmine understands why he felt he couldn’t be honest with her, but it gives off a bad taste he basically got away with lying the entire time. And Hercules and Meg, they don’t have as much scenes together until her betrayal, but everyone loves she dies to protect him, but no one gives a crap about Pocahontas and John Smith prepared to die for each other. I just don’t get what they’re missing aside him being a bit stupid at first, given how much he changed to the point he almost dies in the movie
I love when he says "you belong here 😻
I like this scene...it's cute...
it also gives a reason for why she said (in the end of the film) "I'm needed here" when she leaves John Smith.
cuz in the ending when she just said: "I'm needed here" the whole time i was thinking..."and your point is????...." this small scene kinda explains that a little more. She's just not meant to be a english woman..
The point of her saying that was she really wanted to see London for herself and felt John Smith was one of the few people who loved her as she truly was and didn’t expect her to be someone else like Kocuom, her dad or John Rolfe. She even sings about wanting something exciting and adventurous, which isn’t something her village can provide, given its a quieter environment. She desperately wanted to go with John and see all the incredible things he told her about his world, but unfortunately she felt she’d be putting her people in danger if she left. They didn’t really understand her, but she still deeply loved and cared about them, and didn’t have the heart to leave them for a little while. The point of her saying that was to tell John “I really want to go with you, but my people need me more. I’m sorry” It completely broke her heart having to give up her dreams and a golden opportunity she knew she’d never get again for the greater good of her tribe, but she made peace in her heart by understanding it was ultimately the right decision, despite it was a difficult one
They should've kept this scene in there, it was so cute!
I agree and they also should have kept in "Dancing to the wedding drum" scene too!
Legit why did Pocahontas get all the stupid changes?
Aw, that was cute! I would've loved to see it animated. I think they could've kept it, it wasn't too long(ish). The native american-afied english dress amuses me.
Honestly it disappoints me so much Pocahontas doesn’t have another dress the entire movie. Like Ariel has like 5 dresses, Belle has 5, Jasmine has 5, and even Esmerelda has 4 looks. I seriously don’t understand why Pocahontas is stuck in the same outfit the entire time. Its not like native women wear only one outfit their entire lives. Like the only good thing that came from that abysmal sequel is at least she got a couple new looks, despite I personally didn’t like her English dress that much.
Thanks for uploading, it's really amazing!
Wish this scene was longer :(
NGL its honestly so disappointing how many scenes got cut. Pocahontas is actually the shortest movie of the Renaissance, like 7 minutes at least. Never got why. I seriously don’t understand why this scene and especially If I Never Knew You got cut. Disney literally sucked the fun out of this movie. I get it has a more serious tone, but come on. Lion King and especially Hunchback of Notre Dame had very mature and dark themes too, and their movies are a lot funnier (not counting the gargoyles) I feel the humor could’ve easily worked for Pocahontas and John’s relationship, considering they’re both free spirited goofballs who like having fun and teasing their friends
Happy Birthday Pocahontas 🎁🎉🎂🎈🎊🥳
@horseygurl258 I am on the boat of confusion with you. This is something that they should have kept! It actually shows a man liking a woman for being different & for being who she is. It's something that girls need to see & understand, in my opinion.
I agree! It shows how John could already tell how ridiculous she looks as a “proper lady” and likes she isn’t like them, instead encouraging her she’s much more beautiful and amazing as she truly is
Same! I actually laughed at how he’s like “Believe me, you don’t wanna know how women in London are like” and really loves Pocahontas is nowhere near what he thinks of as a typical woman. She’s beautiful, but she’s free spirited, curious, whimsical, silly and playful. Keeping this scene definitely would’ve proved he truly loves her because of her personality and NOT because he thinks she’s hot. A lot of people love complaining “John Smith didn’t truly love Pocahontas, he simply liked her because she was beautiful” which flat out untrue.
Like Ariel literally falls for Eric simply because he’s a human and very handsome. Or same with Phoebus and Esmerelda, he merely thinks she’s hot, and seeing her feisty personality around the guards just made him like her more.
If this scene stayed, it definitely would’ve contrasted with how John Smith really loves Pocahontas as she truly is and loves she isn’t like other girls, she’s unique. While John Rolfe spent the majority of their time trying to make her fit into his world and fell in love with her as an English lady
Who'd have thought Pocahontas real person would end up to die in England so young😢
I loved how...sorry (cough) sexually intense, this particular Disney couple was!!!
IKR? Legit Poca and John had a lot of intense moments for a Disney movie lol. Too bad they’re kinda underrated imo
Why on earth did they cut this??
@Velasa I totally agree. It's a small thing, but I just found it really sweet.
why did they cut this off :D this tells much about that stupid sequel.. :P and John is so adorable :)
He is :)
I feel like if this scene was left in and they still made the stupid sequel no one would like Rolfe (and rightfully so) and the sequel would probably get even more hate and it got an overwhelming amount of hate (which it deserved) 🤣🤣
He’s so hot lol. Rolfe isn’t anywhere near his level.
@@SunshineBarbie-sv4bi well, I mean the sequel still got a ton of hate. The people who complained about the original movie hated the sequel just as much. Why the heck Disney chose to change her love interest to shut them up was just wrong as it pissed off the majority that didn’t give a crap about historical accuracy
@@kristinahuchison2511 for real !! Like if they wanted historical accuracy they should have bitched at Hercules for not showing him killing Megara and their kids
then in the second film she was like screw that and became an english woman anyway XD
I like the scene especially when he says that she belongs with her people but I honestly think that the “ I never really belonged anywhere” like didn’t fit really well it didn’t blend nicely with the scene. I think that in the final version when SHE ASKS if he will go home and he says that he never belonged anywhere worked better then just through that line out of nowhere in this scene.
I don’t mind it. I always felt John Smith was kinda a lone wolf before he met Pocahontas, and realizing how vain being a captain was, he all of a sudden knows where he belongs. I don’t think he had family or friends back in London, as shown with him not saying goodbye to anyone, and when the ship sails, he’s literally looking at the sea, just itching for the New World. I think if the dialogue was reworded to have her ask about when he’ll return to London, then he admits he doesn’t consider London his home. In my rewrite I added where he’s actually been an orphan his entire life with no family, and didn’t really have friends either, but was always fascinated with the huge ships and their spoils from different countries. So in a way the world became his home, until he met a certain woman that would change his life forever
aww i thought it was kinda cute with him touching her hair :)
i dont know how id feel about that being in the movie tho-
If they kept this, who wants to bet they wouldn't of made the sequal?
The only sequel we needed was a sequel where John reunited with her and they get the happy ever after Disney denied them of in the first place
Nah, sequel would’ve ended the way it was supposed to, with John Smith going back with Pocahontas to live in her village and start a family! Imo, Rolfe’s choice to completely abandon his life in London and live a drastically different lifestyle with Pocahontas felt like it completely came out of nowhere. I honestly can’t see Rolfe being happy living like her people do, considering he’s used to living the complete opposite
How so? Does the "sexual intensity" occur when John Smith unbraids Pocahontas' hair and looks at her?
I like it when he unbraided her hair
How is it sexual? All he’s doing is letting her hair flow, showing he likes her wild and free, not prim and proper
Hehehehe Poca looked so funny as a english woman, I would like to se it animated
Watch that disgusting sequel then lol
aw, that was cute!
You know maybe if they had more scenes of them getting to know each other, it wouldn't be as bad.
I disagree. Pocahontas and John Smith were one of the first Disney couples that actually took the time to get to know each other before starting a relationship. Like their first date is mostly about them having a cultural exchange and simply getting to know each other, not so much “lovey dovey”
You wanna complain about a couple that barely knew each other and only spent less than 3 days together and still got married? Ariel and Eric, as they don’t even share an actual conversation before marriage.
@Kristina Huchison alright let me dispell this misconception that the wedding happens immediately after Princes and Princesses get together. It's never implied, it's shorthand.
Eric and Ariel have clear distinct personalities and the whole 3 days us about them spending time together and trying to communicate. I like dialogue and I would've liked to see more of it but I understand show don't tell gets the point across just fine, again because their personalities do all the heavy lifting.
Pocahontas doesn't really have a personality besides freedom and strength, which she shares half of with John. I struggle to rmemeber what happens after colors of the wind, I think there's a helmet scene, and then the reveal.
These aren't character moments because they're explaining their cultures, not how they exist as individuals within said cultures. John Smith does a better job of it though because his whole shtick is going against his culture.
Pocahontas likes canoeing, at any point do they partake in a canoe ride or share hobbies?
@@jaybonn5973 uh, I majorly disagree with Eric having a personality. To me, he’s basically an improved version of Philip, falling in love with a girl he assumed was a peasant, and he’s the basic kind and compassionate, generic prince. All he’s got going for him is unable to find the perfect girl, and then is hesitant to accept Ariel because he can’t get the mysterious girl out of his head. I felt the movie kinda brushed over Eric discovering she’s actually a mermaid, simply wants to protect her which is noble and all. But we don’t have any scenes of him shocked or flabbergasted or even curious about Atlantica. Heck, in the sequel he never even interacts with her sisters or really talks with Triton. And that’s why Eric is kinda in the middle of my Disney prince list.
Versus John Smith is about willing to accept he was wrong and learn from his mistakes, and as shown in this scene loves that Pocahontas isn’t like what he thinks of as a woman, instead she’s silly and playful, but ultimately so beautiful as her true self instead of trying to act like a lady to impress him. I disagree Pocahontas doesn’t have a personality. The canoe represents freedom, as she literally takes off from her village after being told she is expected to marry Kocuom. Her first song is literally about why she can’t be happy with him, and the visuals actually show her relationship with John Smith from start to finish, ending with a fork in the end. Instead of being a typical woman in her village doing her duties or preparing to become a good wife and mother, she literally loves exploring and is fascinated with how beautiful her world is. And she feels the only person who actually understands her aside Nakoma somewhat, is a talking tree and her deceased mother, where she got her free spirited nature from. And when she sees the “strange clouds,” she decides she wants to learn more about them, and ends up spotting a very handsome, yet strange looking man. She literally falls him the entire time, so curious about him in particular. Then you have where they meet and etc.
Pocahontas’s personality is literally being curious and open minded, and craving excitement and adventure, which is exactly what John Smith provides perfectly. Not to mention he’s more laidback and a bit of a goofball like her, in comparison to the stern and stoic Kocuom.
Also, her story is so much more than simply falling in love with a guy. When he’s arrested and sentenced to death, she feels her entire tribe is so mad at her for the death of a respected warrior, and especially her dad publicly shamed her. She then feels so awful and guilty about everything to the point she was actually afraid to see John Smith one last time, because she feared he would blame her as well and didn’t love her anymore. But its Nakoma who encourages her to see him, and she silently walks up to him, and the moment he recognizes her, he’s so overcome with love and joy he got one last moment with the woman he loves! Fast forward to when she tells Grandmother Willow what happened, she even snaps “I was wrong, I followed the wrong path!” And she feels for a moment she made a mistake in falling in love with a different man, but the moment she realized the compass was what she kept dreaming of, she’s so overcome with happiness and joy she was never wrong to fall in love with John Smith, and the spirits are telling her to stand up for herself and keep fighting for their love! And that’s what convinces Powhatan to stand down and there is strength in forgiveness and peace, not violence and war. Fast forward again to her declining his offer to see London for herself. She clearly wanted to see his world so badly, but felt she’d be endangering her people if she left. So she chooses to help preserve the fragile peace between the groups instead. Her decision is in a way showing she doesn’t need John Smith anymore to stand up for herself. I have a feeling if she never met him, she would’ve never had the courage to finally say no to Kocuom. In a way, John rescued her from herself, and she’s a stronger woman because of her love.
I find Pocahontas in a way similar to Ariel in that she’s so curious about learning more about a different culture and oh course falls for a guy that appreciates her differences and she’s not like the other women in London or in her village. While Ariel literally falls madly in love with the first man she looks at, and even screams at Triton “You don’t even know him! Daddy I love him!” Uh, neither do you young lady. All you know is he’s a prince that has a dog and plays the snarfblat. While with Pocahontas snapping at Nakoma she doesn’t know John, she actually has spent a decent amount of time with him and has never been hurt and came back safely.
Also your comment about her taking him on a canoe ride, I will agree its very irritating there wasn’t an actual scene, despite there is stockart of it that would be reused for Tangled. I was always under the impression it was from a deleted scene, maybe she shows him her canoe and he notices how lightweight and agile it is compared to his rowboat.
And your theory about Disney couples not just swandiving into a marriage is debunked. Snow White and Aurora both had wedding dress concept art. Like I could’ve sworn it said several times in Sleeping Beauty when she returned to the kingdom she was to marry Prince Philip, even King Hubert babbles about the castle he’s built for them. And Ariel and Eric literally transition from their first kiss and Triton’s approval of them to their wedding scene using the exact same frame. Plus Grimm had been pressuring Eric to find a girl to marry, the statue that Ariel got from Flounder was even Grimm’s originally planned wedding present for Eric. It doesn’t say if Eric was about to be crowned king (because apparently his parents are dead) and is required by law to marry a princess to become a queen to provide heirs, as was the main role of a queen. Even with Pocahontas, she had a deleted song called Dancing to the Wedding Drum where she is almost forced to marry Kocuom, and I’m roughly guessing the timeline in Pocahontas is supposed to be about a month long. Even in the Pocahontas doll collection, there’s a set called the Spirit of Love, and I have a friend who’s a big fan of Pocahontas and John Smith, and collects dolls. She told me its very possible the doll set was based on deleted concept art of Pocahontas marrying John Smith after her father spared him and blesses their relationship and allows John to become a member of their tribe. Or even with Mulan, it’s confirmed it was only a couple of months since Mulan and Shang got married. And with Tiana and Naveen, they married as frogs, but became humans again. Like Rapunzel and Flynn is the only one where it’s actually stated they didn’t just get married right after the movie’s timeline.
That’s one of the problems I have with Anna and Kristoff, is the point is getting Anna to realize she can’t just marry a guy she barely knows. BUT she spends basically the same amount of time with Kristoff as she did with Hans, and they end up kissing in the end as if “Yes! I want to marry you someday!” And the sequel cheated around the time issue by simply making the sequel occur 3 years later. Which then leads to why the mysterious voice didn’t appear sooner if Elsa couldn’t hear it until she mastered her powers.
Really Pocahontas and John Smith (no I don’t count her choosing that loser Rolfe) and Milo and Kida amongst some other couples don’t just get married in like 3 days of knowing each other. Heck, if anything I could see where Pocahontas and John would’ve been too busy trying to keep their groups getting along. Considering Ratcliffe was imprisoned and sent back to London to face justice for his crimes, it was going to be John’s new duties to oversee the construction of Jamestown and making sure his men aren’t bothering the natives and respect their boundaries. But let’s play devils advocate and use Pocahontas and John Rolfe. Yes they spent 4 months together as they were stuck on a ship, but they only have the one scene of Rolfe telling the captain to leave her alone and she’s an important guest of the king. Otherwise the majority of their relationship is muddled into one day of Pocahontas getting a cultural shock and being stuffed into a dress to impress a bunch of stuck up aristocratic snobs and the next day she’s able to prove Ratcliffe’s treachery and lies by providing the apparently alive John Smith. Fast forward to the end, she picks the wrong dude and he apparently has no qualms in leaving his fancy life to live a much more simple lifestyle in Pocahontas’s village with her. And I’m assuming they instantly got married as soon as they returned and Powhatan screams at her for being so foolish, but decides to let them get married anyway, yada yada. As the entire point of that stupid movie was to change her love interest to who Pocahontas actually married in reality.
Sorry, that was long lol
I really wish they would have left this scene in. It only reinforces the fact that the love he had for her was so true
NightShayde I couldn't agree any better 😭👏🏻🙌🏻
Me too!
@@karenarroyo1093 They Saved this particular concept for the sequel
I know! I hate it so much whenever I see a moron arguing “Rolfe understood her love and duties to her people a lot better than Smith ever did” which is flat out wrong. This scene definitely would’ve contrasted with how Smith can easily tell how ridiculous she looks as a lady and doesn’t belong in London, as she’s perfect as is and belongs in her world, while Rolfe fell in love with her as a lady and “civilized”
I know Rolfe doesn’t even tell her she’s beautiful until she’s dressed up all fancy but John Smith accepts her for who she is
So was Mel the first they cast or something, because I thought with a film like Pocahontas they would you have Irene voice this.
Lol! I remember that (on the DVD). That's so cute - I would have loved to see it animated, but I don't know about it being in the film xD
this scene should have been added
teeheee i like it how he touches her hair!!
Ye
@nddlj o_O you don't subtext clues very well do you?? there's a shot right before she answers john where she's looking at the two groups (natives americans and the englishmen), implying that she's needed there to help preserve the peace.
Ironically, the real Pocahontas eventually moved to England and went native, like changing her name to Rebecca.
shhh not hear
So? Its a Disney movie
@lucie777 Though, Pocahontas actually DID go to England, so, no.
oohh *-* this would be sooo cute *-*
@lucie777 no it doesnt. in pocahontas 2 she returns to virginia in the end in her normal garb.
Uh yeah. But in the real story Pocahontas died in London sadly. The sequel literally omitted a lot of facts. Her trip had absolutely nothing to do with politics either, she was paraded around as John Rolfe’s “savage” wife. Exactly why I hate Pocahontas 2 so much
that would've been a cute scene XDD
@selphiexfairy OIE!! I read subtext just fine...just didn't catch that one in this one movie -________-
I never thought much of that "looking back" to the two groups scene. She's actually not needed, haha she doesn't do shit. It's not like she's the chief hahah! She aint no longer needed for peacekeepin' because the peace has already been unleashed..it has done its job =D
There’s literally a scene in the abysmal sequel that perfectly explains why Pocahontas made the right decision by staying instead. More English would be moving to Jamestown and they had no idea that the natives were friendly and didn’t mean any harm. The part with the fat racist perfectly shows how some of the English really were, despite Pocahontas didn’t do anything except save him from being trampled to death by a horse. But why Pocahontas chose effing Rolfe instead
lol id have liked to see that in the film :)
They sucked the fun out of this film.
While I felt having less humor fit the more serious tone of the movie, I completely agree. I kinda wished they had Pocahontas and John be the comical characters, considering they’re both goofballs that enjoy teasing their friends and having fun together. Plus I found this scene really sweet and a lot more adorable than the actual scene in the movie. I find it adorable John loves Pocahontas because she isn’t anything like he typically thinks of a woman, even making fun of English women. But especially when he can easily see how ridiculous she looks trying to look like them, and telling her she looks much more beautiful as her true self!
nahh, this is just like...a rough draft :)
It's good!
Im the only one who covered on this with mlp voices! GR8 :D
umm how so? haha
@hbanana7
LOL so true! thats probably why my older brother wasnt allowed to watch it when he was little...too much kissing hahaha!
Happy Birthday Pocahontas 🎊🎁🎂🎈🎉🥳