That is true, creator of vid was cleraly biased and wanted make sensation... John Rolfe loved Pocahontas and there is no evidence he poisone dher. In fact, their child also felt sick alongside mother, but recovered, which suggest that Pocahontas was truly ill, not poisoned.
I knew that the story of pochontas the first one was all a lie and honestly I didnt know the story that disney did was based on John Smiths story that he made up. Honestly I thought that disney just did their own little story and aged her up etc. And I didnt know much about John Rolf at all. Besides her dying from a sickness that the english gave her or so I thought. I feel more sorry for that girl and her tribe my gosh! Honestly sounds like they may have posioned her last meal perhaps? Since she was healthy before that.. but who knows. No way to really tell from that long ago I guess
History isn't a fairytale and a lot of History is mostly "his story". A lot of History is written by men or people forced to write it a way to not get killed. Meaning we don't know what the truth is until someone figure out the holes of History. Which is annoying to a lot of History nerds or those curious about what happened but can't because it was lost to time. How many amazing yet tragic memories or tales were lost due to colonization or just the inability to write or the idea that "we'll be telling this story for years to come!" With no one thinking to write it down or the ability to read what is written down or a wrong translation can bring confusion. The thing is like it is today, time changes, things change. History changes and times pastes leaving a lot behind that we'll never get back. It's sad but you can't change something out of your control but reading and educating helps because as we learnt, people uses History wrongly alot.
I didn't know she was married twice that's shocking I also didn't know she had kids in her previous marriage before John ralf so that part also confuses me when I googled her up it didn't say about her other kids except for Thomas from her second marriage so that is something new
And the natives were just saints and committed no atrocities against each other before the colonists arrived. And they definitely didn’t retaliate and commit atrocities against the colonists either at any point in American history. They were a peaceful, collective, harmonious people and we systematically slaughtered them, purposely of course without a care in the world because Europeans are all just big reecistsss!!
@@freegypsycrusader6968 Indigenous people were not a monolith, no group is! The Magna Carta and Declaration of the Rights of Men would not exist would not exist were it not for the colonists mislabeled the Founding Fathers of the US(`Cause freedom and equality for all unless you`re a woman, black, brown, non-Christian or poor!), plagiarizing and dumbing down the Constitution of the Iroquois Confederacy! But please enlighten us how the Trail of Tears, Custer`s Last Stand and the enslavement and ethnic cleansing by the English, Spanish, Australians, Arabs, New Zealanders, the Greeks, Romans,Egyptians,Persians and Portuguese of indigenous peoples were somehow justified and we were the savages for wanting our land back?
@@freegypsycrusader6968partially true on systemic slaughter. I live in Britain, I’m British. And yes, we butchered and used the world. We were racists.
Where you got statement that Disney made accurate-bio documentary?!? They made their own version based on legend!!! Why Sound of Music, Titanic, Anna & the King or even ANASTASIA, aren't as nearly critcsized as Poca?!? And all of them featured real life people in romance setting😊
Disney's Pocahontas obviously doesn't take place in the real world. There are talking trees! Clearly it's Middle-Earth and Grandmother Willow is one of the missing Ent-Wives. ;)
"Disgusting" is how you besdmudged John Rolef ignoring all accounts that they had happy marriage. There would be no reason for her to be posioned - she died of some illness, probably pneumonia. Her son also fell ill, but recovered, which suggest contagious ilness, not posion.
So is this video a way to try to distract the audience of how horrible the Disney movie remakes are? Pretty much everyone knows about John Smith. He was older and a lier! Pocahontas was like ten ot twenty years old at the time she met John Smith.
🙄Ugh, how much of this can I take? The Disney movie is meant to be based around the legend that John Smith and Pocahontas were in love. It was meant to be taken as fiction, not fact. It was even advertised with the tagline "An American Legend Comes to Life". High emphasis on 'legend'.
Unless you were already old enough (or jaded enough) to understand how disgusting the world really is, it’s a very poor argument to say that viewers should already know fact from fiction. The word “legend” is a very broad term that doesn’t denote a story’s falsity, but it’s longevity (heavily proselytized religions being some of the worst kinds). That’s not the same thing. As a little kid watching the movie in the 90s, you don’t think about the original sources. If I didn’t learn about the Brothers Grimm before seeing the Disney versions of a lot of these tales, I’d probably still be ignorant of most of the company’s changes to them. I loved this movie growing up and watched it multiple times, with only extremely vague history of the positive native treatment explained in “American” history classes at the time. Legend or not, until we started getting taught about the real history later in high school, this was truth enough. U.S. education was extremely biased and very few people were willing to dispute it until now. So no, calling it a “legend” doesn’t automatically mean people should be objective enough to take a story with buckets of salt. Some legends have a lot of truth to them so it’s a weak point to make.
She had child by John Rolfe, named Thomas. According Natives legends Pocahontas had first child by Kocoum - however those legends can't even agree if this child was boy or girl, so it is likely a fairytale. The only certain baby of Pocahontas is Thomas Rolfe.
Hahaha dude that’s really funny you really owned those colonialists very edgy speaking truth to power. I’d be surprised if RUclips didn’t delete this ahah am I right wow like so true skull emoji bussin no cap fr
She definitely was not. Her son was sick at the same time. It was contagious illness. He recovered, she did not. If it was posion, they both would passed away. Or only she would be sick.
I've always heard she contracted something in England that she had no antiviruses against and that was what killed her
That is true, creator of vid was cleraly biased and wanted make sensation... John Rolfe loved Pocahontas and there is no evidence he poisone dher. In fact, their child also felt sick alongside mother, but recovered, which suggest that Pocahontas was truly ill, not poisoned.
I knew that the story of pochontas the first one was all a lie and honestly I didnt know the story that disney did was based on John Smiths story that he made up. Honestly I thought that disney just did their own little story and aged her up etc. And I didnt know much about John Rolf at all. Besides her dying from a sickness that the english gave her or so I thought. I feel more sorry for that girl and her tribe my gosh! Honestly sounds like they may have posioned her last meal perhaps? Since she was healthy before that.. but who knows. No way to really tell from that long ago I guess
This is like Maitreyi, and how the book butchered the reality about her
U just game me flashbacks from highschool reading Maitreyi by Mircea Eliade
@@missy3661 well, the similarities are quite uncanny, you have to agree
History isn't a fairytale and a lot of History is mostly "his story". A lot of History is written by men or people forced to write it a way to not get killed. Meaning we don't know what the truth is until someone figure out the holes of History. Which is annoying to a lot of History nerds or those curious about what happened but can't because it was lost to time. How many amazing yet tragic memories or tales were lost due to colonization or just the inability to write or the idea that "we'll be telling this story for years to come!" With no one thinking to write it down or the ability to read what is written down or a wrong translation can bring confusion.
The thing is like it is today, time changes, things change. History changes and times pastes leaving a lot behind that we'll never get back. It's sad but you can't change something out of your control but reading and educating helps because as we learnt, people uses History wrongly alot.
Wow they bash her back story like they did with Frollo.
I guess those English people don't like people confessing how they feel :(
i knew a lot o this. what i didnt know was about her two marriages. i only knew about rolfe and their english descendants
I didn't know she was married twice that's shocking I also didn't know she had kids in her previous marriage before John ralf so that part also confuses me when I googled her up it didn't say about her other kids except for Thomas from her second marriage so that is something new
6:32, that might be the worst part.
4:14, maybe she saved him in a social way.
Breaking: Historical treatment of native americans wasn't anything like in the disney movies! More news at 12.
Its no secret that the way colonists treated Native Americans wont make a good Disney kids movie.
Would educate them for sure
And the natives were just saints and committed no atrocities against each other before the colonists arrived. And they definitely didn’t retaliate and commit atrocities against the colonists either at any point in American history. They were a peaceful, collective, harmonious people and we systematically slaughtered them, purposely of course without a care in the world because Europeans are all just big reecistsss!!
@@freegypsycrusader6968 Indigenous people were not a monolith, no group is! The Magna Carta and Declaration of the Rights of Men would not exist would not exist were it not for the colonists mislabeled the Founding Fathers of the US(`Cause freedom and equality for all unless you`re a woman, black, brown, non-Christian or poor!), plagiarizing and dumbing down the Constitution of the Iroquois Confederacy! But please enlighten us how the Trail of Tears, Custer`s Last Stand and the enslavement and ethnic cleansing by the English, Spanish, Australians, Arabs, New Zealanders, the Greeks, Romans,Egyptians,Persians and Portuguese of indigenous peoples were somehow justified and we were the savages for wanting our land back?
@@freegypsycrusader6968partially true on systemic slaughter.
I live in Britain, I’m British.
And yes, we butchered and used the world. We were racists.
Her cause of death really confused me as well so thank you for sharing that
Where you got statement that Disney made accurate-bio documentary?!? They made their own version based on legend!!!
Why Sound of Music, Titanic, Anna & the King or even ANASTASIA, aren't as nearly critcsized as Poca?!? And all of them featured real life people in romance setting😊
What a beautiful video! Loved it! ❤
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story and a quick buck !! 😮
GREAT VIDEO DELUXE ❤❤❤
Well, they did better than Anastansia
Disney's Pocahontas obviously doesn't take place in the real world. There are talking trees! Clearly it's Middle-Earth and Grandmother Willow is one of the missing Ent-Wives. ;)
No, just no
"Disgusting" is how you besdmudged John Rolef ignoring all accounts that they had happy marriage. There would be no reason for her to be posioned - she died of some illness, probably pneumonia. Her son also fell ill, but recovered, which suggest contagious ilness, not posion.
So is this video a way to try to distract the audience of how horrible the Disney movie remakes are? Pretty much everyone knows about John Smith. He was older and a lier! Pocahontas was like ten ot twenty years old at the time she met John Smith.
🙄Ugh, how much of this can I take? The Disney movie is meant to be based around the legend that John Smith and Pocahontas were in love. It was meant to be taken as fiction, not fact. It was even advertised with the tagline "An American Legend Comes to Life". High emphasis on 'legend'.
Unless you were already old enough (or jaded enough) to understand how disgusting the world really is, it’s a very poor argument to say that viewers should already know fact from fiction. The word “legend” is a very broad term that doesn’t denote a story’s falsity, but it’s longevity (heavily proselytized religions being some of the worst kinds). That’s not the same thing.
As a little kid watching the movie in the 90s, you don’t think about the original sources. If I didn’t learn about the Brothers Grimm before seeing the Disney versions of a lot of these tales, I’d probably still be ignorant of most of the company’s changes to them.
I loved this movie growing up and watched it multiple times, with only extremely vague history of the positive native treatment explained in “American” history classes at the time. Legend or not, until we started getting taught about the real history later in high school, this was truth enough. U.S. education was extremely biased and very few people were willing to dispute it until now.
So no, calling it a “legend” doesn’t automatically mean people should be objective enough to take a story with buckets of salt. Some legends have a lot of truth to them so it’s a weak point to make.
Wdym by legend lol, historically there was absolutely no evidence they loved each other
@@urmomisms Legend as in no one knew for a while if it was true but now we all know it's not true.
pochontas had a baby with john smith but i know she been married twice but she get sick and she die on the boat on the way home on the boat
She had child by John Rolfe, named Thomas. According Natives legends Pocahontas had first child by Kocoum - however those legends can't even agree if this child was boy or girl, so it is likely a fairytale. The only certain baby of Pocahontas is Thomas Rolfe.
Yeah, I feel like the sequel. Much better.
Lie scrips
The couples that deserve to be popular in Disney:
John Smith and Pocahontas & Prince Edward and Giselle!
😏 Let’s see if Disney’s willing to remake this movie with historical accuracy on full display.
how do you know all this? went back in time why now all off a sudden you talk about this what did John smith do to you.
"no story more warped by disney"?
lol try princess and the frog and the live adaptation of the little mermaid.
Hahaha dude that’s really funny you really owned those colonialists very edgy speaking truth to power. I’d be surprised if RUclips didn’t delete this ahah am I right wow like so true skull emoji bussin no cap fr
She was definitely poisoned
She definitely was not. Her son was sick at the same time. It was contagious illness. He recovered, she did not. If it was posion, they both would passed away. Or only she would be sick.