If Nothing Good comes from this video atleast we brought in some fuji legends into the comment section😃 and great supporting comments from all thus far.
Fuji Fanboy: Use "Nostalgic Positive Bullocks" sim and your AF problems go away Photographer: Tried that, didn't change anything Fuji Fanboy: Use my voodoo magic recipe. Set clarity and sharpening to +5. Then go back to the file and sharpen it again +5. And do this 600 times Photographer: I'm switching to Sony
Thanks for this video. I love my Fujis but the autofocus has always been weak and is now really poor. I really like the constructive approach you’ve taken. Let’s hope Fuji FINALLY listens to
oh yeah that's why I stuck with my xt4! Even compared to the xh2 I much prefer my older camera! Thanks for this comparison, and best wishes from Uruguay!
Disagree. Fuji need to release MORE FILM SIMS and ban autofocus. Autofocus and photography in general is for morons. We want film sims and silver/chrome camera bodies!
thank you, very good comparison between the 4th and 5th generation. i have the x-t5 and my 35 1.4 performs also worse after the update. its a shame, i love fuji, have this system since 2019. but quite upset now
@@martinphilipps8678 I know the feeling bro, I felt like letting go of my fuji system , however I do enjoy using my canon FD glass on both Fuji and Sony, it’s so disappointing to see that their is actually no real improvement for video in the newer Chips ; to me right know it seems as it’s only the Graphical displays of the new chip looks better and at first glance seems as if it’s doing better however in reality it’s on par with the older generation fuji only in video , in photo I think the the new gen is slightly better.
Thank you for making this video. We need more voices heard on this matter. Fujifilm's silence on the matter is so frustrating.. We are buying these cameras with our own hard earned money and we expect them to work up to a certain level.. Fuji's autofocus for video is just unusable at the moment...
@@MoTecZA we can only hope.. Honestly I don't think they will. Best case scenario they can re release versions before the "Ai" implementations. At least the camera was doing a decent job with AF.
Fuji has screwed their customers. I noticed a huge increase in newer Fuji's for sale on MPB and eBay. They need to fire their firmware engineers and hire someone who knows what their doing.. I've cancelled my X100VI, pre-order. People are downgrading their firmware with a hack on their x_h2s.
My X-T5 is now a paper weight for any moving (even slow) subjects. Of course, no response from Fujifilm. Time to switch brands. I was (and maybe now) a Nikon shooter. Nikon, Sony and Canon seem more in touch with their user base, which almost seems funny to say.
Lead fanboy Patrick from fujirumors has all the answers. Apparently the next 3yrs of FW updates for all fuji cameras are going to focus on Film Sims. Because he told Fujifilm that's what users want. He only has orgasms when fuji release a new film sim or update on of their existing ones. So he has a need
That is really sad to see. I moved from the XT4 to the XH2S for gains in AF performance, I owned the XS20 for a short period as well. Currently testing 1.03 on one of my XH2S's, looks like I will be putting both my units back to 1.03 eventually. The Fuji mask has well and truly fallen, revealing the grand level of gross incompetence and disarray at Fuji HQ. Heads should be rolling...
But complete hackers like that guy who runs the fujirumors site, who is also the head of product design at fujifilm, don't even know what autofocus is. They need to be educated but their eyes and ears are closed. They reckon a film sim recipe will fix all our AF problems 😢
I miss the old autofocus on Fuji X-S20. Now it hunts a lot, even for still photography. I realized this when I was on a portrait session wedding where my client stand stills, and it can't focus on the subject at all. Sometimes when I was sure that the autofocus was already correct, but when I check back home on my PC, it focus elsewhere like the trees in the background or tall building. I was furious when I found this. It seems they use contrast detect autofocus rather than phase detect autofocus. Totally dissappointing for me
Im in the same situation. My xt4 focus way better than my xh2s. Well, it did, now im in 1.03... well, tbh i dont use none of them since a6700 destroyed my fuji gear. A shame...
Really a Shame,I dont think ill be downgrading firmware ,ill use it as is for now knowing its limitatioms i have been using it in manual for talking heads.
Soooo grateful to have kept my xt4's for so long. The general autofocus isn't as great as the other brands but still good. Fuji needs to get this right. By the way, that 90mm f2 looked really good!
I use xt4 for video in manual focus, but it can do the typical sitcom closeup fine in AF, as long as the entire face is visible, and movements are of natural speed, and at least one eye remains visible at all times. If the shot is longer the face may be too small for its AF. If the shot is shorter, it loses the eyes when it cannot see the full face. In other words, it does interview or drama fine in AF but a Sony can handle any shot, fast changes in face size, very small face, very large face, rotations of face, invisible eyes, etc.
Fujirumors have been deleting comments criticising autofocus for years. The guy who runs the site, Fujifilm head of PR marketing, Patrik, can no longer hide and is crapping his pants!
@@jandzoe9249 if they don’t do something Soon I’ll probably downgrade firmware , I’m waiting on response From Fuji South Africa I have sent through initial testing.
Honestly after some more testing i have been doing now does not even have to be a busy background to confuse it ,the xt4 is way more stable ,new upload coming soon with diverse settings on both.
@@lionheart4424 its still a great Camera,despite the current autofocus issues if you can work around it while hopefully they sorting it out or atleast bringing their video autofocus back in line with the latest XT4 firmware.
@@JakeChambersOyI’m actually doing some research and I might consider if fuji doesn’t not respond to my communication with them regarding these issues.
Is it worth getting the X-T5 and avoid updating it right out of the box? 1.) I really don't need Reala Ace. 2.) I would only use video like 8% of the time.
@@user-nq7gr6mj6q i have not tried the xt5 yet ,generally for images i never experienced issues with fuji bodies iv used.depending with what firmware its being shipped currently ,if you doing mostly photo you shouldnt have any issues ,i would also strongly consider the XT4 used if you can find one,they seem to hold value ,it has ibis ,better noise control aswell and put other bucks into lenses.
I've bought XT-5 before 1 year ago as my first enthusiast/entry level pro camera, had amazing experience with it, everything worked flawlessly, even the next 2-3 updates without an issue. I've encountered AF problems with v3.01. update. Other than that I couldn't be happier with the camera
@@dkotris I have a similar experience: Have used 12 different versions of X mount cameras over the past five years. Just bought an X-T5 with V4 firmware and consistently have AF issues on photos when using the Zone AF mode. Extremely disappointing.
This is exactly my findings on my XT5 and XH2, pulsing and hunting, absolutely unusable! with the current firmware!! My XT3 is has WAY better video autofocus with the same settings and lenses.
@@finken2007q agreed , i might just downgrade my firmware and post my findings. The XT4 and T3 algorithm was way more stable in continuous Tracking ,they should start at the bottom again and work their way up with some proper beta testers on hand.
Hi, maybe I missed it but which tracking mode was used? Wide/Tracking mode or zone? Was the eye detection function active? Do your lenses have the latest firmware?
The way Fuji racks AF is ugly even on FW versions that "work". There's always that horrible jerky stepping action that makes the footage tool awful IMO. It can clearly be seen here even on the X-T4 footage.
Why don’t they send out their software for testing before releasing to us? I honestly don’t see how they cannot know about these issues. How did they possibly even test this before sending us these updates , it’s unacceptable in my opinion comparing to earlier versions , this is an internal issue they need to sort out.they should get a bunch of testers who actually use their cameras in the field before releasing major updates like this.
They should start by Looking at the Final Firmware for autofocus of the xt4 and the initial firmware of the the newer chips which was stable and predictable and build from their , they Should forget about birds trains and plains for now and Fix the lack of predictability in their continuous autofocus modes , their Continuous Autofocus is lacking in Relaxed decision making and jumps on the first thing in hopes that it’s correct and then jumps again always second guessing its decisions.
Thanks for the samples!! Yes Fuji should solve this focus problem otherwise I'm afraid they will lose customers in the long run. It's a really good camera to use so do something about it Fuji!!!!!
This is a hardware problem. No amount of firmware will fix it. They're just waiting to release new generation to fix the hardware problem. It is messed up that they're not going to tell the customers about the hardware problem.
I honestly dont think they testing properly ,i mean the testers should be able to see that the eye tracking is looking for eyes or finding eyes in random places.
In b4 Fuji fanboys yells at you for not reading the manual or learning your camera
If Nothing Good comes from this video atleast we brought in some fuji legends into the comment section😃 and great supporting comments from all thus far.
Fuji Fanboy: Use "Nostalgic Positive Bullocks" sim and your AF problems go away
Photographer: Tried that, didn't change anything
Fuji Fanboy: Use my voodoo magic recipe. Set clarity and sharpening to +5. Then go back to the file and sharpen it again +5. And do this 600 times
Photographer: I'm switching to Sony
Thanks for this video. I love my Fujis but the autofocus has always been weak and is now really poor. I really like the constructive approach you’ve taken. Let’s hope Fuji FINALLY listens to
@@SamTaylors Thanks for the comment ,waiting for Nov firmware for testing.
Yep , my experience too
Lets see if they can fix.
@edvard2942 do you know if people have successfully downgrade the X-S20 firmware yet? I’ve seen the other models but not the X-S20
@@garends225 it should probably work on every fuji camera
@@edvard2942 Thanks, I downgraded to 1.20 and it seems a lot better.
Thanks to you, I found his channel and subscribed
We Fuji users should unite and crowdfund to raise money to fire Fuji engineers and hire Sony engineers, or even Nikon's!!!
I fully agree!!
oh yeah that's why I stuck with my xt4! Even compared to the xh2 I much prefer my older camera! Thanks for this comparison, and best wishes from Uruguay!
Thanks for this. Other RUclipsrs have talked about this issue too. Fuji really need to get this sorted. They are years behind Sony on this.
Disagree. Fuji need to release MORE FILM SIMS and ban autofocus. Autofocus and photography in general is for morons. We want film sims and silver/chrome camera bodies!
@@andyp5693 a ultra minority view, extremely strongly held. Congrats!
Sony troll? They are years behind Canon and Nikon too.
thank you, very good comparison between the 4th and 5th generation. i have the x-t5 and my 35 1.4 performs also worse after the update. its a shame, i love fuji, have this system since 2019. but quite upset now
@@martinphilipps8678 I know the feeling bro, I felt like letting go of my fuji system , however I do enjoy using my canon FD glass on both Fuji and Sony, it’s so disappointing to see that their is actually no real improvement for video in the newer Chips ; to me right know it seems as it’s only the Graphical displays of the new chip looks better and at first glance seems as if it’s doing better however in reality it’s on par with the older generation fuji only in video , in photo I think the the new gen is slightly better.
Thank you for making this video. We need more voices heard on this matter. Fujifilm's silence on the matter is so frustrating.. We are buying these cameras with our own hard earned money and we expect them to work up to a certain level.. Fuji's autofocus for video is just unusable at the moment...
So True , lets hope they bring back true Kaizan
@@MoTecZA we can only hope.. Honestly I don't think they will. Best case scenario they can re release versions before the "Ai" implementations. At least the camera was doing a decent job with AF.
Affects all cameras - xs20, xt5, xh2, xh2s. Everyone is saying the same thing about the firmware its crippled the camera's vido AF
Fuji has screwed their customers. I noticed a huge increase in newer Fuji's for sale on MPB and eBay. They need to fire their firmware engineers and hire someone who knows what their doing.. I've cancelled my X100VI, pre-order. People are downgrading their firmware with a hack on their x_h2s.
Similar thing happening our side,i really hope they Fix this .
WTF are doing Fuji engineers??? Fire them all!!! I have XS20 too, and after every firmware is getting worse...
thanks for the vid!!!
My X-T5 is now a paper weight for any moving (even slow) subjects. Of course, no response from Fujifilm. Time to switch brands. I was (and maybe now) a Nikon shooter. Nikon, Sony and Canon seem more in touch with their user base, which almost seems funny to say.
I sold my X-T5 to MPB because of these issues. I really loved the camera otherwise, but I was missing focus on even still subjects regularly.
Thought of selling my Fuji gear aswell ,however ill be keeping for further testing and reporting on progress.
@@DennisK47 Has the used value of an X-T5 gone down?
@@markbusinsky6900 Ironically it's mostly gone up due to hype for things like the X100 series.
Lead fanboy Patrick from fujirumors has all the answers. Apparently the next 3yrs of FW updates for all fuji cameras are going to focus on Film Sims. Because he told Fujifilm that's what users want.
He only has orgasms when fuji release a new film sim or update on of their existing ones.
So he has a need
That is really sad to see. I moved from the XT4 to the XH2S for gains in AF performance, I owned the XS20 for a short period as well. Currently testing 1.03 on one of my XH2S's, looks like I will be putting both my units back to 1.03 eventually.
The Fuji mask has well and truly fallen, revealing the grand level of gross incompetence and disarray at Fuji HQ. Heads should be rolling...
But complete hackers like that guy who runs the fujirumors site, who is also the head of product design at fujifilm, don't even know what autofocus is. They need to be educated but their eyes and ears are closed.
They reckon a film sim recipe will fix all our AF problems 😢
I feel that two firmware updates ago were the best results I got from my XT5, which has steadily got more problems now!
Agreed my xh2s on around 5 was good enough for my needs.
Same for me. V2.10 was the least troublesome so far.
I miss the old autofocus on Fuji X-S20. Now it hunts a lot, even for still photography. I realized this when I was on a portrait session wedding where my client stand stills, and it can't focus on the subject at all. Sometimes when I was sure that the autofocus was already correct, but when I check back home on my PC, it focus elsewhere like the trees in the background or tall building. I was furious when I found this. It seems they use contrast detect autofocus rather than phase detect autofocus. Totally dissappointing for me
Im in the same situation. My xt4 focus way better than my xh2s. Well, it did, now im in 1.03... well, tbh i dont use none of them since a6700 destroyed my fuji gear. A shame...
Really a Shame,I dont think ill be downgrading firmware ,ill use it as is for now knowing its limitatioms i have been using it in manual for talking heads.
Soooo grateful to have kept my xt4's for so long. The general autofocus isn't as great as the other brands but still good. Fuji needs to get this right. By the way, that 90mm f2 looked really good!
Thanks for the comment, Xt4 will be relevant for a very long time still.
I use xt4 for video in manual focus, but it can do the typical sitcom closeup fine in AF, as long as the entire face is visible, and movements are of natural speed, and at least one eye remains visible at all times. If the shot is longer the face may be too small for its AF. If the shot is shorter, it loses the eyes when it cannot see the full face. In other words, it does interview or drama fine in AF but a Sony can handle any shot, fast changes in face size, very small face, very large face, rotations of face, invisible eyes, etc.
Fujirumors have been deleting comments criticising autofocus for years. The guy who runs the site, Fujifilm head of PR marketing, Patrik, can no longer hide and is crapping his pants!
I will not be updating my X-S20. I didn't do the last 2 updates on my X-S20. Especially after the touch to track broke the AF on my X-H2s.
I should have done the same ,i was really looking forward tp Reala ace sim
@@MoTecZA yeah. There were so many people complaining about it I would have hoped no one else would update. Unless of course they don't care about AF.
@@TwoTimesRmedia My thoughts were the xs20 has the older sensor .
@@MoTecZA I saw people thinking that would matter. Doesn't seem to be based on much but, assumptions.
@@TwoTimesRmedia i have sent the video through to Fujifilm South Africa
Been using Zeiss manual lenses hoping for a newer better one Peking AF one more chance for Fuji
Yip the peaking in daylight is useless.
Well done
The X-T4 @ 90mm F2 killing the XS20 @ 90mm F2.8 is outrageous. Can they just effing revert their autofocus software to the old status quo?
@@jandzoe9249 if they don’t do something Soon I’ll probably downgrade firmware , I’m waiting on response From Fuji South Africa I have sent through initial testing.
Same experience with the latest firmware continous autofocus is just jump around / very unpredictable with busy background 😮
Honestly after some more testing i have been doing now does not even have to be a busy background to confuse it ,the xt4 is way more stable ,new upload coming soon with diverse settings on both.
@@MoTecZAthanks for the testing! You are the only one covering this on the X-S20 right now
@@garends225 busy with some more test , should post results this week
@@MoTecZAlooking forward to it! I reverted my firmware. Bummer because I love the x-s20 and Reala Ace
edvard sent me here. It breaks my heart that their recent cameras are getting crippled, specially the X-20 since I want to buy one for the open gate.
@@lionheart4424 its still a great Camera,despite the current autofocus issues if you can work around it while hopefully they sorting it out or atleast bringing their video autofocus back in line with the latest XT4 firmware.
@@MoTecZA Did you ever consider downgrading the firmware? It's pretty straightforward
@@JakeChambersOyI’m actually doing some research and I might consider if fuji doesn’t not respond to my communication with them regarding these issues.
Is it worth getting the X-T5 and avoid updating it right out of the box?
1.) I really don't need Reala Ace.
2.) I would only use video like 8% of the time.
@@user-nq7gr6mj6q i have not tried the xt5 yet ,generally for images i never experienced issues with fuji bodies iv used.depending with what firmware its being shipped currently ,if you doing mostly photo you shouldnt have any issues ,i would also strongly consider the XT4 used if you can find one,they seem to hold value ,it has ibis ,better noise control aswell and put other bucks into lenses.
I've bought XT-5 before 1 year ago as my first enthusiast/entry level pro camera, had amazing experience with it, everything worked flawlessly, even the next 2-3 updates without an issue. I've encountered AF problems with v3.01. update. Other than that I couldn't be happier with the camera
@@dkotris I have a similar experience: Have used 12 different versions of X mount cameras over the past five years. Just bought an X-T5 with V4 firmware and consistently have AF issues on photos when using the Zone AF mode. Extremely disappointing.
When I see another Fuji AF bashing Video, I like first before I watch. 😂
@@apamacam4838 i really hope Fuji can sort out this issue or atleast allow us to revert to older software
I noticed the same but didn't thought of the update as the cause. This is such a shame
This is exactly my findings on my XT5 and XH2, pulsing and hunting, absolutely unusable! with the current firmware!! My XT3 is has WAY better video autofocus with the same settings and lenses.
@@finken2007q agreed , i might just downgrade my firmware and post my findings. The XT4 and T3 algorithm was way more stable in continuous Tracking ,they should start at the bottom again and work their way up with some proper beta testers on hand.
@@MoTecZA I downgraded and have tried 1.11, 1.20, and 2.01. All are better than 3.00
Never update Fuji firmware before someone else tested it
Been wanting reala ace for a while ,my gut told me dont do it and still went ahead.
@@MoTecZA reala ace available in RAW converters without new firmware
Tempted to downgrade my firmware. I wonder which is the best one? 1.20?
(for the X-S20)
For me the previous version before the last reala update was stable in all areas.
can you let me know how single AF for photography with this FW?
Hi single and continuous for photography I don’t have any issues , it’s. Mostly video eye tracking
Hi, maybe I missed it but which tracking mode was used? Wide/Tracking mode or zone? Was the eye detection function active? Do your lenses have the latest firmware?
Hi ,Eye detection with a focus point centre on both.
Good video
This is such a shame. Fujifilm should be more than embarrassed at this point. Brace yourself for "you are using wrong AF settings" replies.
Both were on the standard settings ,i was surprised how good my old xt4 was up against a newer model
The way Fuji racks AF is ugly even on FW versions that "work". There's always that horrible jerky stepping action that makes the footage tool awful IMO. It can clearly be seen here even on the X-T4 footage.
Atleast one can tweeak the setting to rack slower or more naturally with the linear lenses ,other lenses almost impossible eg 35 f2
Why not sending your complains to Fujifilm by email?
Why don’t they send out their software for testing before releasing to us? I honestly don’t see how they cannot know about these issues.
How did they possibly even test this before sending us these updates , it’s unacceptable in my opinion comparing to earlier versions , this is an internal issue they need to sort out.they should get a bunch of testers who actually use their cameras in the field before releasing major updates like this.
@@MoTecZA
According to Fujifilm, they are not aware of these issues and they assume that it would have been resolved with the latest firmware.
They should start by Looking at the Final Firmware for autofocus of the xt4 and the initial firmware of the the newer chips which was stable and predictable and build from their , they Should forget about birds trains and plains for now and Fix the lack of predictability in their continuous autofocus modes , their Continuous Autofocus is lacking in Relaxed decision making and jumps on the first thing in hopes that it’s correct and then jumps again always second guessing its decisions.
Thanks for the samples!!
Yes Fuji should solve this focus problem otherwise I'm afraid they will lose customers in the long run. It's a really good camera to use so do something about it Fuji!!!!!
Apparently incorporating artificial intelligence into Fuji cameras messed up autofocus.
This is a hardware problem. No amount of firmware will fix it. They're just waiting to release new generation to fix the hardware problem. It is messed up that they're not going to tell the customers about the hardware problem.
Stupid Fuji is sending itself out of contest with the rest
I honestly dont think they testing properly ,i mean the testers should be able to see that the eye tracking is looking for eyes or finding eyes in random places.
You are coming too close to the minimum focus distance of the lens for the xs20. That’s not apples to apples
Fuji formware developing is just a joke. I know not a single other camera company that does software things as bad.
Duidelik my broer , duidelik
what about the overheating issue?