100% agree. Been shooting Fujifilm since my X100T purchased almost 10 years ago. Now I have the XT20, XS10, and XT5, with way too many lenses to count. The latest firmware broke the eye-tracking AF and their refusal to even acknowledge this situation makes me very hesitant to purchase another Fujifilm product ever again. This has fundamentally shattered my trust in the company that I used to love so much. They must address this issue ASAP. There should be no reason for a modern mirrorless camera system with so much development time to perform this poorly in AF-C, not to mention that the performance has gotten WORSE with each firmware "upgrade." Absolutely unacceptable.
As an owner of XH2S I can NOT understand how bad the AFC is for video in 2024. You are right, the trust in fujifilm is completly gone, I am saving money for Sony. I don't want but I have to because I need reliable AFC. Yes I am pissed
I paid 2.5k for an xh2s and if they don't fix the af and leave all like It Is and launch a new camera to solve the problems with a new hardware leaving all other customers behind, i will istantly switch to Sony. This Is the worst thing you can do to a customer. Your credibility Will go down to 0
The fact that dozens of reviewers and RUclipsrs have ranted or weighed-in on Fujifilm’s AF problems for months and there has been zero movement or indication from Fuji tells is everything we have to know about Fuji. Either they don’t care or are incompetent at responding to users and customers. Is their CEO asleep at the wheel?? Either way it is a dismal reaction to the distress and concerns of users.
@@Rich-y8n Companies frequently create products for fictitious customers rather than actual ones. Feedback from customers is seen as an annoyance that takes their attention away from serving their made-up customers. These companies probably have bad software development managers who either don't know what they're doing or don't care what customers think, or software development doesn't get enough money.
@@stoolin9706haha they probably don’t. What they should offer is a setting in menu to disable the “predictive” algorithm crap. Or just remove it and do an official FW which rolls cameras back to old AF algorithm. But they are such a messed up company they won’t do either. They’ll just release a new camera with same broken AF algorithm.
@@stoolin9706 , the Sony a6700 and other contemporary Sony cameras are equipped with a dedicated AI autofocus processor. This is likely one of the reasons why Fuji is unable to offer reliable autofocus; they do not possess a processor of this nature.
Thanks for making the video! Only such videos will bring change to the platform we love. About 4 years ago I switched to fujifilm as my daily/family camera while for professional event work i used Sony. But when the XT5 came out, I switched immediately, and I loved it. I even had two of my friends buy fuji cameras because of me. However, after the updates I would notice more and more problems with focusing. I cant risk losing moments in events so now I switched to the ZF with their 70-180mm 2.8. The xt5 is now the backup camera with the 23mm WR. (FYI the ZF and the 70-180 2.8 is basically the same price as the fuji equivalent setup but with way better focusing and lowlight. Zf raws are so easy to edit in capture one).
Exactly. We are the people, who wanted original SLR feeling and Fuji did that. But I expect to have it top notch, if not, fine, then sorry Fuji, Nikon is also very good...
Have shot with Fujifilm for nearly 10 years. I remember a when a bad firmware update broke some functionality of the X-T2. They pulled the file almost immediately, fixed the problem and re-issued a modified update. Seems with the latest AF debacle and their refusal to resolve it leads me to believe that Kaizen is sadly no longer a Fujifilm philosophy.
Kaizen has been dead since the X-T2, X-H1 was left in the gutter. Some would claim that the X-T3 got more love, but in reality it would've been a d#*kmove if they hadn't applied the X-T4 AF improvements to it, as it is basically the same camera without ibis.
The kaizen isn't dead at all. Aside from the AF issue, they implemented lots of very useful improvements over the years for the latest generation of cameras. Don't let the AF thing obliterate the other good things
As a GFX user, the issue of the autofocus affected the GFX too but granted, not many people use it for outside/sports/fast action/etc. However, the latest GFXs line sell point is autofocus speed and I upgraded it coz IT WAS GOOD... until the latest firmware. So, even though GFX primary use in studio shoot in single point and not continous, it is still the main selling point and a huge reason why some photographer jump into the medium format. Having said that, in 3-4 years time, all camera probably will have a dedicated focusing chip like the canon r5ii, the sonys etc.
I hear you! As for the chip, I'm pretty sure the next Fujifilm generation will have its own. However, they have to figure out how to make the focus transitions smoother
I was shooting a wedding….. the focus on my xt-5 missed the first kiss. Thankfully the couple was alright with recreating it but it wasn’t the same. I’m switching to either canon or Nikon now but still unsure of which one.
If you shoot mostly people, Canon still seems more reliable. There’s a guy called ZP Productions who OWNS all flagships, the R3, A1, Z9, and GFX100. According to him Sony and Nikon has a tendency to front focus or get tricked by eye lashes or fringes. The R3 is his preferred workhorse for portraiture.
Similar for me. After the updates I would notice more and more problems with focusing. I can't risk losing moments in events, so now I switched to the ZF with their 70-180mm 2.8. The xt5 is now the backup camera with the 23mm WR. FYI, the ZF and the 70-180 2.8 are basically the same price as the Fuji equivalent setup but with way better focusing and lowlight. Zf raws in standard profile are so easy to edit in Capture One although on Lightroom its a bit more unusual looking because of the app color science i suppose. I am very satisfied with mine. In addition, the black and white profile is marvelous. No need to buy any presets or styles !
I'm glad someone is also talking about the lenses and committing a significant proportion of video time to this discussion. GH7 and the PanaLeica 10-25/1.7 is winking at me for these very reasons. I want an XF14-30/2, I want proper AF.C with it because using my Fringer III with a Tokina 14-20/2 and Sigma 18-35/1.8 is really only supported for Stills work and not video. Sigma's 28-45/1.8 speaks volumes, they are not interested in going to the effort for 18-35 for us for X mount natively, and they are not even giving is the 28-45/1.8 as an option for X Mount. We RELY on Fuji for lenses and so many need updates or just included in the line up (to fill gaps). Fuji's pacing is slowing down at a time it really needs to ramp up to stay relevant in the discussion. AF aside, they have work to do, yet they are basking in the glory of seemingly being novel, popular and backordered. It's not a good look. BUT... I remind myself its still early days, I'll likely stick with them for another 2-4yrs to watch this space develop. Very good video Luca and needed to be said.
Cameras are what make the headlines, lenses are what keeps a system alive. I've always said that. Sony is mastering this big time. Open mount, multiple choices, weird lenses, aspirational lenses... That have them all
Wow ... I'm a Sony shooter, but I've always loved that Fuji made their users so happy with a fun experience. That was good for photography and photographers overall. So sad.
Outstanding how you were able to get your thoughts together and create this video. One thing that is happening also is full frame cameras like Nikon and Sony are delivering gear at competitive price to fuji especially with the way fuji gear has increased in price
@@jrperezphotography thanks! To be honest the competition from full frame cameras, with similar specs, isn't close from a price perspective. You may argue the Nikon Z6III is in competition with the X-H2s at a similar price, but the truth is the Fujifilm is a much advanced and capable camera if it wasn't for the continuous AF issue. Overall, for video and fast shooting the fuji is still much better, despite being older
I think on the used market this is true. I just got a Nikon Z6 for £730 which is great value. The camera looks good as new and takes great photos with the 50mm f1.8 which I also got used in excellent condition for just £400 - way cheaper than the 33mm f1.4 WR and shallower depth of field if I need it. I can get the 40mm for less than £180. The 24-70 f4 is around £300 used and produces better results than the 16-55 and is way lighter (granted less range on the long end). Meanwhile much of the used Fuji gear is going up in price. I miss the Fuji color, better video features and more consistent white balance but I will get used to these things.
I was a Canon user and switched to Fujifilm, perhaps the biggest mistake of all, I have an Using this equipment, my xh2s camera crashes and freezes during work, making me remove the battery to solve the problem, problems with auto focus. It's really chaos to live in the world of Fujifilm.
Thumps us for your message to Fuji. I was Fuji fanboy since Fuji X100T, X100F, XE-3, XT2, and XT3. Just 3 years ago I totally switch to Sony. My main reasons are limitation of Fuji's features of autofocus and low light quality. But I still miss Fuji, I still keep follow Fuji news. Recently I bought Fuji X100VI for my daughter. What I miss Fuji a lot are small form factor body and light weight lenses. I am looking for Fuji XE-5. I love XE series form factor. It is unique and minimalist camera. I will go back to Fuji for my personal photography if Fuji X-E5 will be available soon.
I totally agree, great video as always! I recently sold off all my Fujifilm gear and picked up the A7IV and really love it. The autofocus feels like magic after coming up with Fujifilm cameras, especially for birds in flight and wildlife! I liked most things about Fujifilm (I find their lens are lacking compared to the Sony lenses, generally), but I’m very happy that I made the switch overall!
@@JapaneseLegend888 I still have to try the 200-600 with a Sony camera, if it is much better I will probably have to sell my 150-600 to finance that lens
The same here, have the Sony A7IV, it's AF lets you concentrate on photography :) and not being worried if it's in focus or not. And btw I prefer 33MP than 40MP!
And if fuji is listening, it's high time you guys install aspect ratio markings through some firmware update. Aspect ratios such as 1.33, 1.85, etc. I have been shooting documentaries and social media content widely on X-T4 and mostly in situations where I cannot use an external monitor, these aspect ratio markings would be of great use.
This seems like phase 2 for me. I was a Nikon user and limped along with a D300 for years without an upgrade with a modern sensor while I was besieged with urgings from Nikon to buy one of their full frame models. I finally did that and was not happy. I bought my first Fuji which was the D400 equivalent I had wanted. The belated issuing of the D500 did not tempt me back to Nikon in the least. Felt like I had been screwed over by Nikon after buying several generations of their APS-C cameras and it left a festering resentment. So Fujifilm needs to fix this.
I love my old X-T2, X-E1, and X100s. I was considering selling my OM Systems OM1, and full frame Nikon gear. I purchased the X-H2s from B&H, really excited to try this state-of-the-art body. Boy what a bummer it turned out to be, when so many of my shots were soft, even when the focus box was locked on. I returned it, last week before my 30 days were up. Fujifilm, please listen to your biggest fans, this firmware problem is real.
Luca, thank you so much for this video. You expressed all my feelings. I feel neglected by Fuji. Since I bought XT5 Nikon released xcf camera, which I would immediately buy not having X system with so many lenses. As you said, they have few months to manage this situation and if they don't we may buy different cameras. Honestly, if the loss is not in thousands of Euros, I would already do that change.
I had a large collection of Fuji gear for about 7 years but sold it all 2 years ago when the AF kept letting me down. I expected they would fix it but in the meantime invested in a full frame Sony set up. I’m surprised to see this issue is still causing problems. I really enjoy Sony with access to Sigma and Tamron lenses but won a Fuji 35mm f2 a few months back so bought an XT30ii to go with it. I was afraid of investing in one of the newer bodies. The XT30ii feels like a toy camera- it’s small and fun to play around with. I feel like that’s the future of the x series, with Fuji making the gfx line their professional series now.
I only listened to the section on continuous AF and I agree entirely with your views on the impact on Fuji photographers and the brand trust. I’ve shot Fuji since about 2 years before the XT3 was launched and haven’t upgraded because I’ve rarely used continuous autofocus for my photography. I was really impressed when I saw the new XH cameras AF and recently started to photograph sports e.g. surfing, motorbike racing, so was considering an XH-2S but this situation has stopped me in my tracks. Now to continue my development as a photographer in the direction I want to I either have to wait until this is sorted and work with the XT3 as well as I can or trade in, lose a lot of money and switch to Canon or Sony (probably Canon) with all the relearning and investment that would take. Fingers crossed for swift software fix.
I'm an enthusiast shooting landscape/cityscape and travel. I switched from Canon APS-C to Fuji (XT-5) a year ago for a lighter and smaller kit and have been very happy. I knew Fuji tracking autofocus wasn't great, but I rarely use it so not a deal breaker. Nevertheless, this debacle with Fuji's firmware updates is still distressing. I'm guessing (hoping) that Fuji is trying to fix the problem with a firmware update and are taking their time so they don't screw up again. But it might be that X mount hardware will never be able to produce tracking autofocus comparable or close to Sony and Nikon. In which case, the best Fuji can do is release an update that rolls back the tracking software to a point where the autofocus worked best. If that's the story, then it seems to me that if you bought your Fuji with that software and found the autofocus less than ideal but acceptable, you should be satisfied, but if you expected Fuji to keep improving the autofocus with firmware updates, you should have bought a Sony or Nikon in the first place.
What lenses do you use? I was thinking of switching to an X-H2 for travel/landscape with the Sigma 10-18 Tamron 17-70 and Fuji 70-300. That combination would weigh just over 2kg.
@@richardzelinka9411 I was more than happy with my X-H2S when it launched. It could be better, but it was overall reliable. The fact that today is less reliable than 2 years ago it's a big trust issue
@@richardzelinka9411 I was more than happy with my X-H2S when it launched. It could be better, but it was overall reliable. The fact that today is less reliable than 2 years ago it's a big trust issue
@@Eikenhorst the combo you mentioned is rock solid, but if you want to stay even more compact and lightweight, I'd choose the sigma 18-50 over the tamron 17-70. The 50-70mm gap isn't that important and you can solve it with a small crop
@@Eikenhorst Fuji 16-80 (24-120 ff equivalent) and Sigma 10-18. (15-27 ff). I shoot wide , but rarely feel a need anything more than 120 at the long end. Also, the Sigma is sharper than the 16-80 at the wide end. I bought a used Fuji 18-135 as a backup lens and that gives me more reach on the rare occasion that I need it. I mostly shoot f5.6 and up and use a tripod for blue hour and nighttime work, so these are fast enough for me. Also, while the Fuji zooms may not be super sharp, they are sharp enough for me and when I have photos printed for a book or display, I've been struck by how sharp the printed images are.
I believe that there is a fundamental hardware problem with the X system that makes it impossible for them to significantly improve the AF and that the problem extends also to the electronics within the lenses. As long as they keep selling X100 cameras by the boat-load they (Fuji) won't care about any of that.
I don't think it's the lenses. Third party lenses that are also available for e.g. Sony don't show as bad AF performance or jumpy video AF there as seen on Fuji. Without knowing the internals we can only speculate. From my point of view it is more likely that the software team is badly mismanaged and created regressions because of it. As far as I know the sensor comes from Sony, so I don't think that's where the problem is. If it's the hardware, then it's the X processor 5. That would be bad and lead to this whole thing only being solved by the next Gen (if at all).
I upgraded to an XT5 because of the subject detection, improved autofocus and resolution over the XT3. So far the subject detection hasn't worked, you get a green box but focus is off more than half the time and autofocus tracking was better on the XT3 in my experience. The higher resolution is good but I don't think all the lenses on their optimised list perform well on it. Mainly the 16-55 for me, unless I have a bad copy but interested to see what they say if they release a new version soon and if that is meant to perform better for the 40mp sensor.
Last saturday I was asked to shoot a theater performance. I took the X-T5 and the 16-80mm on a tripod. 90% of the photos are out of focus despite the AF square was always green. Camera has the latest fw update. I had used the same equipment in the same theater, with the same light conditions, one year before (so previous to the 4.0 update) and 95% of the photos were in focus. It is a disaster.
Thanks for your thoughts on this. Fujifilm should listen to all of us. I used a variety of Fujifilm cameras over the last few years professionally. A month ago I made the final switch to Canon and it is not only, but mostly for the AF. I am a professional wedding photographer and over the last few months the af of my X-H2 and my X-H2s have failed me varios times. So, I finally sold them alongside a lot of lenses. This was not an easy decision, but it was necessary. For my personal stuff I still own a X-T5 and three primes, but that‘s it. Right now, I honestly don‘t care what they do with their future cameras because my Canons just do the job amd they do it great.
I too was an early adopter of Fuji system. I bought the original X100 and the XPro 1 and the 3 original XF lenses. Since then, I have owned the XT1, X100S, XT2, XT3, X100F, XPro3, X100V and XT5. I bought the XT5 about 18 months ago and was satisfied with its autofocusing until the firmware updates earlier this summer. I tried using my XT5 with the XF 70-300 and XF 90 this summer after the firmware updates to take photos of my granddaughter when she was competing in equestrian competitions. The results were so disappointing that I stopped using my Fuji autofocus lenses and switched to manual focus lenses. Since then, I have used only manual focus lenses, primarily Voigtlander and feel that my results are better than I can currently achieve with my Fuji lenses. I am considering selling my Fuji lenses. I have also been toying with the idea of purchasing the Nikon ZF but I agree with your concerns about the size and weight of Nikon lenses and their cost. I do not see the benefit of buying the ZF and pairing it with Voigtlander lenses since this is essentially what I currently have with the XT5 and the Voigtlander lenses I now own.
For those of us who bought the X-Pro2 in 2016 when it was released and didn’t feel the need, or didn’t want to upgrade to the X-Pro3 when it was released back in 2019, has now waited 8 years for a new X-Pro camera. It will likely be another year before the X-Pro4 might be released. If at all? As a X-Pro user I feel a bit neglected and my interest in Fujifilm has faded. I still use the X-Pro2, though. It’s still a good camera. But you know how it is - it’s always fun and exciting with a newer camera.
I was a Fuji shooter for years. I had the xt5 and the xh2s and I was so happy with it. It wasn’t perfect, but it was good enough and I loved the camera and the system. What happened a few months ago just broke my heart. I installed the “upgrade”, and my camera was destroyed. The auto focus was horrible. I was sure they are going to fix it, but after a month I realized it’s not going to happen. I took both of my cameras and my 8 lenses and sold everything and bought a Leica q3. It’s expensive as hell, but at least I know I can trust on them, and a Sony zve1 for video, which is amazing. This is how auto focus should work. I’m still heartbroken. It was such a betrayal. I am never going to funifilm even if the will fix it. The Leica is amazing, the Sony too. Fujifilm just made a loyal customer to hate it. It takes a lot to do something like that
I’d love to buy a FUJI camera for their film simulations and easy sharing to social media. But these price points at seem ridiculous, with problems with supply chain, battery life, AF, discontinued lines without replacement models…. Seriously I have to wonder if the company even wants to be in business.
I have never liked Fuji film, but I liked their cameras, although rarely used them. Can't say I like their digital cameras. Whatever I like or don't like, I want to see them thriving. The industry needs manufacturers that follow the beat of their own drum, and are not just like everyone else.
I am using single point right now and it is working well. AFC on my X-T50 is better than my X-S20, but single point still works best for me. Hoping they fix this for everyone.
Thanks Luca. My issue is that I have an XT3 and some of the newer glass and do not see what my second body / upgrade path is. The 5th gen has been, IMO, very disappointing. With prices up and quality down, I looked at R5 mkii, Z8, and H2 with primes and zooms I would want (pro 1st party lenses only, not the "3rd party" stuff I don't really care for). The Fuji setup is $6,700, Canon is $10,900, and Nikon is $10,650. For me personally $4,000 is really not a ton of a lot more money to dish out to get an actual upgrade across the board in terms of performance and image quality. Fuji can do one of two things, really - either lower the body prices to stop me from looking at great alternatives, or make a body or two (XT6 and XH3) that actually meets the performance, ergonomics, and build quality of a proper flagship, priced to reflect APS-Cs relative inferiority to larger sensors. Its B.S. to me that GFX prices are coming down, and APS-C are creeping up (not so much for glass, but for bodies). HIgh quality, (relatively) low cost. That's what I'm asking for - a real XT3 replacement (with battery grip, please).
@@matt88169 4 thousand dollars are a huge difference for many people. That being said, the xt3 replacement is the X-T5 and, AFC aside, it's an excellent camera. While it is true that prices went up, I'd recommend you to try the X-T50. It's damn good camera which right now has the best autofocus within the Fuji lineup. Small, compact, beautiful sensor. I'm sure you'll like it a lot
Such a great and informative video! I'm staying committed to Fuji. (I mostly shoot birds and wildlife), anything furry, four legged, wings etc. lol). I still think my XH2s, with 150-600 and 70-300mm lenses work really well. IF. you utilize all the skills you've developed. I have noticed, as of yesterday, my camera was hunting for CAF more than usual on fast flying King Fishers, hawks, and small birds. I had tweeked my AF custom settings a bit to: Acquiring AF, 4, and Speed of tracking, 4. But, I use Zone 3 x 3 focus points and am glad you mentioned that Single AF Point might be better. Thanks again for such an informative and thought provoking video, and hopefully it appeals to Fuji's engineering and management team. I am anxiousily awaiting a firmware update that could inprove their CAF! Other than that, I think everything works very well.
I have 3 fujufilm cameras and have no issues really ...shoot everything from landscapes portraits and weddings...I enjoy the cameras. XT5 GFX 50s ii GFX 100s ii
I love my X-T5 but it is a fact now that their tracking algorithm leaves so much to be desired. The false positives issue is a deal breaker to me if I were to use it as a professional. I also own an X-T2 and X100S.
Where is it? I have been waiting for a new 18mm f/2 with weathersealing and silent internal focusing since I bought my first Fujifilm camera many years ago. Now using an XT5 with a 23mm f/2. That lens is a little too tight for my taste, but what to do
If they don't fix the autofocus everyone who considers them capable of professional work will leave. We all know that Sony and Canon have better autofocus, we just love the aesthetics of Fujifilm and the fun it brings. The fun is wearing off..
That's so true. It's not even that I personally expect or need it to be as quick as a Sony, but I expect reliability. Right now it fluctuates from sharp focus to backfocus without any explanation. I had group shots where it would show good AF but focus on a tree in the background. There is no excuse for this to happen in 2024. Or you have it focus on a standing subject with AF-C, it nails the focus, you wait for a specific moment with the shutter half pressed, and right then when you snap the photo it refocuses by itself. It's just so frustrating
Hi Luca! Thanks for your efforts to wrap up the topic about the current intransparent behaviour of Fujifilm. Why don’t they approach the fan base about their current troubleshooting with AF issues? And about the future: I just miss a real future focused lens roadmap. As a passionate product manager my heart is bleeding about this unprofessional behaviour. In times of social media you cannot hide in your ivory tower!
Wonderful, so many accurate and well-made points. As an X-H2S owner I found myself nodding a lot - old lenses in need of an update, new lenses that are expensive and not necessarily much of an upgrade, questionable lenses for video etc. 56mm 1.2 WR, $1k lens, no linear motors and identical optics to old model. 10-24mm F4, WR added, but again, same optics and no LM, lots more money.
Great video Luca, I really hope this one gets a lot of exposure by the algorithm! I have been thinking pretty much the same things as you have, and at this point I believe that FUJIFILM will start focusing on the GFX line more, and just keeping alive the X100 series. Obviously I hope this is not the case, and 100% agree that their next gen of cameras has to nail the AF-C like never before. I do hope they fix the AF of their Gen5 processor cameras before they are sunset. And you are totally right about those exceptional lenses. I wish Fuji would make a series of f/2 zoom lenses, similar to the f/1.8 duo from Sigma for DSLRs. And yeah I get that about portability and weight but I still wish for something like this. The only thing where I highly disagree with you (and this is why Fuji should be really concerned about fixing their AF-C) is about Fuji gear being the "cheapest" professional system you can by. Nowadays high performers like Lumix S5, Sony A7III and even Canon R8/R6II can be bought new by similar prices or even less than the top X-Mount cameras. And about lenses...Sigma, Tamron and Viltrox have been releasing outstanding beauties like the 28-105mm f/2.8, the 35-150 f/2-2.8 and when it comes to Viltrox, they even improve their lenses like the 75mm f/1.2 (E-mount version has more features than the X-mount version for the same price).
@@lionheart4424 thanks! About the cheapest professional system I meant with flagship glass and cameras. All those cameras you mentioned are very good, but AFC aside, the X-H2s/X-H2 combo smoke them all for specs and features
I switched from Nikon FF DSLRs to Fuji when the X-T1 first came out. With their compact lenses and bodies, it was a big advantage for me. However, today almost every brand has its small form factor range of products. It's ridiculous that the Sony FF A7C(II/R) is smaller and lighter than an APS-C Fuji. Apart from the vintage look and feel, I don't see any advantage anymore to choose for Fuji, especially for professional work. I still use the X-T4 and the X100VI for casual fun shooting, but I wouldn't trust the autofocus for a paid shoot or video.
The a7c line is a bit of an odd one. I currently have the A7CR, and yes it is less tall than the X-T50 for example, but it's more because of the form factor. The Sony is wider and the viewfinder isn't as good as the X-T50's which, for a camera that costs more than double the price, is kind of depressing. But the real difference is still in the lenses. The 16-25 has a short range, and it is compact for full frame standards, but the Tamron 11-20 is way smaller, not to mention the tiny Signs 10-18. For what concerns the autofocus I'm almost sure they'll fix it, but yes, it's taking too long to get there
What everyone has to recognize is that Fujifilm is a tiny part of the Fiji conglomerate. It provides very little to its overall revenue. As such it does not rank hardly at all in the overall priorities of the company. Management may well not see any advantage to spending additional money on fixing the problem quickly or maybe not fixing it at all. It may be that all the bad press about the cameras (and by association, the Fuji brand) will be an excuse to get out of the consumer camera business all together. Remember the camera business is still contracting so the outlook for increasing revenues (or even maintaining present levels) is bleak. Olympus bailed out last year. Is Fuji next? 😢
They don't have a 400mm F4 or a 600mm F4 because they JUST recently (last 2 years) have had a good professional body for it. The X-H1 was a flop. They tried again much later with the XH2S and were more successful. I don't know the sales numbers but I would assume the XH2S sold fairly well and we will see a XH3S body in the future. IMHO, they have to nail 3 things with the XH3S 1) Autofocus, autofocus, and autofocus 2) No compromises stacked BSI sensor with best in class electronic shutter 3) ever-so-slight bigger Pro body. If they can do that and launch it with a under $7K 400mm f/4 with built-in TC they will have a huge winner. I too was disappointed with the rumors of the GFX 500mm f/5,6 being down ported to APSC. What they really need to do (and what Olympus did with their 400mm f4.5) is release a pro, dedicated APSC, 300mm f/2.8 or 400mm F/4 with built-in TC. No other brand is invested in APSC and fuji has the best fully stacked BSI APSC sensor in the game right now. They should lean into improving that standing. I think they would have customers if they released dedicated APSC primes with performance and lightweight in mind Fuji already has great standard primes, they have great retro-styled bodies, with great image quality. They need to update some of their oldest lenses notably the 40-150 and 8-16 and 16 f/1.4.
It’s funny, I went through this with Panasonic and their terrible autofocus. Sold off all my Panasonic gear and am not going back. I’m likely going to leave Fujifilm soon for the same reason.
And now Panasonic again is rock solid when it comes to AF with their S5II and G9II etc. I would say almost on Sony level. The brands keep leapfrogging each other. Having said that I am confident Fuji will eventually fix this.
I sold my Fuji X-H2s (FW 6.0) and bought a Panasonic S5IIx. AF is much better, with a lot of tools for video, a more structured menu, and better IBIS. Sometimes I miss Fuji, but $2500+ is too much for this AF, and problems with FW
@@infantfrontender6131 I was with Panasonic since the GH4, lots of lenses, had the GH5, GH5s, moved on to the S1 but I had too many shots ruined by unreliable AF - loathed people saying using manual focus on these fly by wire lenses, it was just awful. Fuji’s been a great system and I’ll wait and see what happens over the next year before making a big move.
Thank you for this video. You are on point about everything. Hope Fuji listens though I’m afraid that it will be too late and they will be left with one trick pony, x100. I changed from Fuji to Sony full frame two years ago and I’m as happy as I can be. The new sensors have great colors too.
Same. My only regret since leaving Fuji is not being able to shoot the 18mm f1.4 LM WR anymore. But other than that, Sony has been amazing. With companies like Cobalt Imaging, I can get full frame and Fuji colours too.
I shot a wedding recently on XH2S with original 23 1.4 and 56 1.2 and it was great. Yea there were missed shots but it was a great experience and superb images. My brother used his XH2S with Viltrox 27 and 75 and missed more photos than me but the in focus photos were absolutely outstanding. The image Fuji creates are simply superb. The X mount will not die for a very long time.
I keep thinking if it's time to look for another system and how long will support keep going for my camera... but somehow systems live and die but the Pentax 67 keeps going strong!
MFT = Dying or Dead as per some RUclipsr APSC = The Future MFT Full Frame = The Future APSC Medium Format = The Future Full Frame Most of the PRO I know and I assisted uses either SONY, CANON and NIKON Full Frame. Every time I asked, one of the common answer is "It's Full Frame", simple. Most client's does not care what format or brand you used but this time, it is the Photographers decision to choose Full Frame because of Reliability, Sensor Size, Price and Support. They mostly booked Weddings, Birthdays, Company Events and other celebrations that are mostly indoors. If they need one, they just rent lens that they don't have like telephoto.
Great video man. Just one thing though. I have upgraded my xt5 to the 4.01 firmware and now my AF is broken on single on continuous and wide tracking. I get about 25% hit and 75% missed. Before that, on the 3.01 I had no problem at all. So I’m extremely upset
30:00 , 2018 XT3 425 af points , 117 usable , 2022 XH2S 425 af points 117 usable. Same specs. The exact same AF technology but with better subject detection.
Pretty accurate assessment. I think Fujifilm just does not have the volume and budget to develop at the rate and speed we see Nikon and Sony innovate and coming up with lens lineup. We are missing the ultra wide and fast primes and zoom you mentioned. I'd love to see a 16-50 f2 or a 35mm f1 as well. Where is the white 2x teleconverter to use with the 200mm f2?
The problem is that Fuji doesn't provide an f/2.8 zoom that can take filters, like a 16-35mm FF is indeed largely resolved now with the fantastic 10-18mm Sigma lens. The same goes for affordable primes, there is again Sigma with a line of amazing f/1.4 lenses, but obviously they are not 200 USD. The biggest issue with these Sigma lenses is that they don't have the aperture ring that you kind of want, especially on Fujifilm.
To be honest im a big fuji fan but the AF problems rn are not ignorable. Im not a Filmer at all but the AF on the XH2s for Birds got worse in last update. I know how to set AF customs etc but the new AF seems to overestimate the movements even in lowest sensibility.. its not ok but i think Fuji gona fix this.. the lenses i dont see the problem so tight yess the crazy lenses are expensive but theyr top like 8-16mm 16-55mm 200mmf2 50mmf1 the new 33mmf1.4 80mm macro theyr all amaazing in my opinion But yeah AF on XH2 and XH2s is inaceptable like it is rn
Great video Luca, summarized a lot of pain points I had with Fuji. Myself had been shooting Fujifilm for last 10 years and I just sold all my gears (XT4 + 7 lenses) last week switching to Sony (and lost quite some money like you said). It is not that I would expect better pictures from Sony but I had lost faith in Fuji, disappointed on some of the directions in last couple of years - sloppy AFC, scalping X100, more and moer pricing, slow lens release... These are making me doubt the future of the X Mount. I feel like Fuji is caring more about marketing stuffs and upselling their camera bodies, instead of paying attention to real photography needs (e.g. better AFC, lens line up etc). I still hope to see they do better as I had great time with my old Fuji cameras, but they better improve fast enough before more people walking away like me.
First of all Luca, the photos in the intro were excellent! Regarding the topic, I appreciate you mentioning that using Fuji cameras with single point continuous is still fine. I use single point or multi while using video both as a hobby and for paid work with the X-T4 and it's been really good. The same goes for single point and zone for photos, but almost never using tracking modes because of what RUclips videos have been saying. I hope Fuji watch your video because it's very in depth, has great points and it shows how much you care. Even though I'm almost never using tracking, they definitely do need to up their game judging by comparisons with the other brands. Hopefully they will because if they can get the AF to be as good as their colour science and aesthetics as well as the points you made, that'll put them in a great position.🤞
My most favourite ever camera was the X-H1. But they brought out the X-H2 and 2s, changing the dials and screen, and still with flawed focus tracking (plus the other problems reviewers have mentioned in several places). Those things and the many things you refer to here, are why i switched to Sony. The Sony cameras are not anywhere near as much fun to use (and occasionally really, really annoying]. But the system does the things i want it to, while still being relatively light. Really sad to leave Fujifilm. I had so many of their lenses. Towards the end of my time with them, i was however, using quirky lenses from the likes of TTartisan and vintage Helios. The lens i missed most was the quirky 35mm f1.4 as it was wonderful for portraits.
I got used to the new layout, despite missing the clickable dials, and they overall make a lot of sense if you zoom out and see those cameras as an attempt to attract new customers
Good video, subscribed. Im waiting to see what happens with AF and what an x-t6 looks like. If things don't get sorted a Z6ii has got my name all over it!
Hi Luca. Hello, from sunny Phoenix, Arizona, USA. Where to start: First, yes, the AF-C for the X-T5 and X-H2/H2s cameras must be fixed ASAP, even if it means releasing a firmware downgrade. Second, as the owner of the outstanding XF-200mm lens and all recent F1.2/F1.4 lenses, I would quickly purchase a XF-400mm F2.8. (Provided its performance optically and responsively were the same as the XF-200mm, and it included a teleconverter, preferably built-in.) I love Fuji colors and rendering, but I'm starting to lose my trust in the brand. Good thing I have Sony full-frame (a7R v) and a full set of lenses as a go-to.
The short answer, if you focus in your channel on photography you will get very less audience than focussing on public interest and what I have observed that Fujifilm are getting a lot more sales from the public through the X100 line and other hypes cameras and that is where is their focus now I guess. just a point of view 👍
I'm also really bothered by Fuji's X-Mount lens lineup. They just forgot their Red-Badge Pro-Grade zooms for such a long time, and those are so incredibly key for building confidence in an ecosystem. Not just the lack of an equivalent 16-35 2.8 that's really bad, but all of the currently available pro standard zoom lenses being sooooooo old, basically from back when the system launched and never updated and with the tech being dated as a result. There's finally a refresh for the 16-55 2.8 coming at least, but it took sooooo long. In general it just really feels that they are dedicating most of their development resources towards the GFX system for the last few years.
@@phjac to be honest the 16-55 is still a spectacular lens, as well as the 50-140. The only reason why I want the version 2 is size and more video centric features
Fuji can not bring out another Xh body without fixing the firmware on the XH2 and XH2S first, and delivering everything they promised when they released these body's. for me the XH2S will be the last body I ever buy from Fuji if they don't.
Firmwares aren't that easy to roll back, that's why almost no one does it. They also want to avoid removing functionalities that customers may have gotten used to
Didn't know about issues with AF-C on newer Fuji cameras...certainly is making me rethink acquiring the X-T5, at least for a little while. Might tempt me to check out Nikon in fact.
Fujifilm sales are a tiny fraction of Sony and Canon sales. I think you are correct in your points, but, it isn't cost effective for Fuji to spread themselves thin making a ton of products that don't sell a lot. So, they focus on what they know will perform the best and let 3rd parties fill in the gaps. That's what i think anyway
Thank you for your video, Luca, however I do not agree with your scenarios. I do not think there is an hardware limitation problem as X-T5 and X-H2s are latest Fuji X generation cameras. If it was a harware problem, then, as anyother industrial manufacturer, car manufacturers or electronics manufacturers, Fuji should just recall all products sold and repair or substitute them. For sure there is a fw problem, as the AF was working pretty fine before the latest updates. I think that Fuji, if they want to save their brand credibility, they should release a full reset camera software and, a the same time, a new firmware that works. Besides, that fw is already available, it is the previous one.
Thank you. I’m right there with your frustration. I shoot mostly wildlife and have not had much of an AF issue, but I dont use continuous AF and I dont shoot much video. Agree with the lens holes and it doesn’t make any sense. Canon EF had a nice small 200 f2.8, 300 f4, and 400 f5.6 that would full frame but worked well on my old 7D. With the better tech available, it seems like Fujifilm could had made similar lenses that I think would had sold well. I have the 200 f2, its size is definitely limiting when I use it. I wonder if Fuji has some control over third party manufacturers that stop them from filling this void? I have thought about switching, but keep wishing they will add the long primes soon. Thanks
I will be switching to Nikon soon. Thinking of getting the Z7 II with the 24-120 f/4 as my favorite genre is landscape and travel. I cannot trust Fuji anymore with autofocus. I constantly acquire focus and then re-acquire it just to make sure I'm actually in focus. Speaking of focus, they need to focus on fixing the issues that are present and they need to be churning out new lenses. All of their stuff is old except some expensive primes and the even more expensive 150-600mm.
Software developer almost 16 years of experience here... I am telling you, if development team, from release iteration to iteration, ignores bug that clearly ruining brand, there is something wrong. Either they did something that is not so easy to deal with, or just don't care. I was planning to buy X-H2s, but then I noticed what is going on. Those AF issues are really minor for most cases, however I don't like how Fujifilm makes the whole case as least transparent as they can, leaving customers on their own. That's a red flag for me. Bought Panasonic Lumix s5IIx instead of X-H2s and it was my best buyers decision of this year! BTW. I love my XPro2. Will not sell it :)
I must be doing something wrong but I find this gripe about Fujifilm AF problems boring and looks like an overloaded band wagon. I shoot sport, wildlife, landscapes and sometimes family functions. I use the XH2s and XH2. I use the 100-400 and Nikon 500 f5.6 pf with Fringer adapter. Plus 16-80f4 and some small primes. I have owned Nikon Z8 and Z9 and shot Nikon for 23 yrs, I owned sone A9ii and A1 and OM-1 only major system I have not owned is Canon. Why Fuji for the past 5 yrs with Nikon. Nikon use to be my main system but the mirrorless transition was slow, I also wanted a lighter more compact system. The Fuji Xh2s focus system is as good as the Nikon Z6iii. The issue is that it takes time and effort to work out the most suitable settings for what you do. Trust me non of these systems are perfect. Nikon has its own challenges, and sometimes you just have to go without subject and eye detection. Where Fuji is lacking is on some lenses. The 100-400 is great but needs an upgrade to internal zoom design like the 150-600. This is a very slow lens and at he long end play to any focus system weak spot, bad light. Fuji needs a 400 f4 prime lens. If Nikon can make a 400 f4.5 prime that weigh less than the 100-400 fuji, well anything is possible plus sell for 30% less than the 200f2. So to conclude, all the gripes about fuji focus, take time to test the system, work out the most suitable settings, a change of systems is expensive and the gain most of the time not worth the cost.
I own 3 Fujifilm bodies but for me the magic of the cameras and lenses stoped with the xt2/xpro2. I never cared about fast AF even though I photograph surfing and skateboarding. One you learn MF good you'll never need AF anymore. The new cameras and lenses are too clinical and the images looks just like Nikon and Sony but with worse AF, bokeh, resolution etc. I've bought my last Fujifilm camera unless they release a monochrome Xpro camera. The XE1 is still my favorite even though I own XT2 and XS10 aswell. I recently also tried XT5 for awhile.
90% agree with with you with the 10% because I’m not a pro and can’t relate to some of the pro lenses. I’ve never experienced good AF with Fuji, and while I envy Sony, I’m ok with Fuji AF albeit breaking a sweat when taking some photos. I wish Fuji releases Mk II of the 18mm F2 and 23mm F2. Because the 18mm is 12 years old and needs WR and maybe LM. I think the IQ of the original should suffice given it’s a pancake though. And since they already updated the X100V lens 4 years ago, I don’t see how difficult it is for Fuji to update with the same formula with the 23mm, fixing the close focus issue. And yes, they should’ve done what sigma and tamron did and make their own 10-18mm or 11-20mm F2.8. But now that these are available I dunno if Fuji will invest in it. Speaking from the future, I’m happy they updated their 16-50mm kit and 16-55 2.8 though, smaller and sharper combined with IBIS bodies, which is going the right direction. But they should really update their 15-45mm with a sharper glass to fill the beginner market. That being said, if Fuji doesn’t update the 18mm and 23mm F2, I might just upgrade to X100VI from V instead, and that seems like their “doctor evil” marketing plan after all 🤣🤣. Because for me who shot with the X100 series for almost 10 years, getting the 23mm and 18mm lenses doesn’t make sense when I can upgrade the V to VI, and keep using my WCL for practically the same focal lengths at same costs. This idea came to me as I was trying to replicate the X100V experience with the 27mm F2.8, but this lens is out of stock everywhere! Looks like the chances of me getting any of the 18, 23, 27mm fujicrons are out of the question! Good one Fuji! I feel like a sucker and enjoying it at the same time! Damn! 🤣🤣🤣
The biggest I can see is that the success of their fixed lens cameras is making them divert ressources from he APSC exchangeable lens cameras to the fixed lens cameras. I could see them focusing more on the fixed lens cameras and the medium format cameras. They are well positioned in those segments while the APSC market is already much harder to stay competitive with Canon and Sony having more ressources to throw in their APSC cameras by trickling down features from their full frame lines.Unfortunately it does look like focusing on fixed lens cameras and medium format cameras could make sense
I ruined a Wedding because the AF continuous focus. Consider to switch for Sony A7IV. Dont trust in AF Fujifilm anymore. Shooting Fuji Weddings in the pasta 10 years. Love Fujifilm but not for Weddings.
Fuji should never have gone the x-H way. Big, bulky cameras that, in the end, cannot compete with modern FF. There are signs (look at the financial results 2023 conference by Teiichi Goto, which insists on brand value, assumes scarcity) that fuji wants to go the Leica way. Which is not good news for most Fuji users and let's us guess that Fuji could not care less about fixing the AF problems.
Even Panasonic caught up to Sony in autofocus, its shocking to me that Fujifilm has had PDAF for quite a while now and still cannot figure it out. Fact is that Fuji X-H2s has worse video autofocus then the GH6. The GH1 can actually track your face without loosing you, X-T5 has serious trouble in that department, GH1 came out in 2009. Thats tragic. Samsung NX1 was the first camera to use hybrid contrast and PDAF autofocus in video with very good results in 2014 again Fujifilm does not seem to understand what they are doing. Olympus E-M1 another PDAF sensor that perform on par with Fuji but this camera is from 2013.... There just no excuses, Fujifilm is good fun cameras for hobby but not for professional work. Not to mention their shoddy build quality is unacceptable, I never ever had camera where the rubber grip is peeling, the plastic doors are falling off, ridiculous.
@@SMGJohn I had plenty of Nikon gear that started falling apart, never had Fuji gear falling apart. I guess sometimes it's a matter of luck. For what concerns Panasonic, I haven't had the chance to try their new cameras, but from what I hear they're better then before, but still away from Sony in AF
Say it again my brother. They are very lazy. I always bash them on Twitter. Instead of them to fix their attention on fixing their autofocus, they are releasing a new camera.
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography Nikon I can understand, most people throw these cameras around for fun and they still survive. Fujifilm quality control are notorious in Fujifilm community and a lot of people are unhappy but at least Fujifilm will fix these issues for free. At work the S5M2 and GH7 both perform on par with the A7IV in video AF, the Panasonic system seems a lot more reliable to track people at a distance, our GH7 tracked someone 200 metres away on a football field in C-AF, I thought it was a bug at first, we could barely see the face of that person but the camera AI somehow recognise it. Very impressed, even with metabones adapters latest firmware, we can get PDAF on 24-105mm F4 and the 50mm F1.2 to track like native, only downside is lens motors being very loud in the process.
lol Panasonic is way closer to Fuji AF than Sony. I know. I’ve used Panasonic, fujifilm, and Sony’s recent and flagship cameras extensively. Panasonic is a little better than Fuji right now, but this sort of false equivalence that Panasonic is as good as Sony is insane. It just isn’t. Not even close. Also I’ve had rubber grips and port doors fail on every camera brand I’ve ever used. Relax dude. You’re not wrong that Fuji needs to wake up and make some improvement’s, but it’s not as dire as you make it seem.
Some of the Canon aps-c cameras have bad AF, and nany Canon lenses have issues. OM Systems has AF worse than when they were Olympus.. it's not an isolated Fuji issue. Or what about Sony display coating falling off over time, for about a decade of Sony models!
Just hopping in to say that there isn't that much size/weight reduction to be had on a 500mm f5.6 lens designed specifically for X-mount versus one adapted from the GFX line. The size/weight savings that APS-C offers come from using a much shorter focal length to achieve the same reach. (e.g. 250mm versus 500mm). Not to mention that it's gonna be huge regardless so I can't imagine who would really care.
Fuji is toast, unless they turn the ship around fast. It will suffer a slow agonizing death until finances dictate that it's no longer viable. Initially Fuji got a lot of mileage out of the the "Poor man's Leica" marketing push but 4 years later almost everyone is disappointed. Slow inaccurate focus and less than rugged bodies. Witness how the Nikon Zf has stolen most of its thunder. Fast accurate focus and a huge selection of lens.
Fuji ist starting to lose the trust train and thats a very bad thing. She gave new lenses that make the camera system so big that if you go to full frame you will have a bigger sensor with almost same size. People want for years a new 18mm f2 and it never comes out. The new xpro4 xe5 are never coming out and the old ones are keeping as uses prices up. I remember buying an x70 almost 10 years ago from a guy 2-3 weeks old for 500 euros and now i must pay the same for that old model, thats not normal. The x100 series are holding a hype and a price that reaches a used leica. The autofocus was and still is a problem. If they dont bring back the old policies where they respected the customer i am not buying anything from them. We want the xt-1 respect where the camera got for years updates, the lenses too. No one needs more film simulations, the are more than enough. Develop camera and lenses that are small unbreakable and support them with updates for at least 6 years. If sony gives a small 28mm lens that goes well with small bodies i am for sure going this path. I tried the one of my brother and i couldnt believe how accurate it is, it almost never fails.
If the firmware coming out in November fixes everything, the trust will be gained again. The lenses development thing is the most concerning. The rumored 16-55 2.8 mkII seems to go in the right direction, but it's the holes in the lineup that need to be addressed. I would immediately purchase a new 18mm F2 ti go with en xe5
Fuji cameras produce beautiful images but I definitely wouldn't rely on it for paid professional work. Sony is MUCH better for professional work. BUT for a typical hobbyist, Fuji is fine.
regarding RUclipsrs, there are a few who are claiming that Fujifilm should replace the x system with a full frame one, is there a remote chance that they are considering that?
They can’t even get autofocus right with a stacked APSC at 120fps scan speed. A full frame sensor with slower readout will make them worse than the DFD from Panasonic years ago. Even modern Panasonic is better now.
@@jasontaycs7195 I always thought that the size of the sensor helped with autofocus too, Sony's and canon's best af cameras are full frame, but it could be that it's for other reasons...
Already left the XF system, sold almost all my gear. They don't improve the AF. There aren't new relevant prime lenses for years now. They don't update old lenses (50-140mm). With the XH2s and the Z8 when shooting speedway: I am getting the same hit rate. When shooting portraits: Fujifilms AF isn't reliable.
@bjmarchives I had them all. 33 and 18, 23/1.4: presented early 2021 - so three years ago. So nothing relevant for three years. The 56/1.2? Still slow focusing and noisy, completely unacceptable. They should adept the standards of Sigmas Art line or Sony GM. Fast silent focusing. High IQ.
I’m a professional. I’ve shot Fuji for 7 years. I sold my Fuji pro gear(XH2 and XH2S). They have become unreliable and unresponsive. Im shooting Canon, R6MKII, now
I’m glad I bought an old used XT-2 to start with photography and I’m happy with the quality and outcome of the photos. What I think the problem is: they are too successful with their x100 series, so they focus on it too much. They artificially reducing production so the hype stays up and most buyers of the x100 line are some hipsters who want to have an aesthetic, small travel camera. Maybe most of them don’t even know what an Aps-c or full frame sensor is. So for Fuji it’s pretty simple: just keep the x100 series hyped and revenue should be safe. They know that professionals go to Sony for their autofocus so why even trying
The X100 series was not a worldwide high demand product until an influencer on Tik-Tok raved about it. The hype took off from there and it became a must-have item in countries like China, where it’s used as a fashion accessory and a status symbol as well as a camera. Fuji should be careful because fashion trends can change like the wind and another brand could quickly take the lead in trendiness. (The Ricoh GR3 series is hot nowadays also). If that happens, Fuji will only have photography pros and enthusiasts as customers once again. So it’s vital that Fuji don’t forget their real customer base and take quality control more seriously.
I shoot fuji for fun and as backup now,the nikon Z8 is everything one could have ever asked for in a camera . This is coming from a guy who also have top of the lines sony cameras. The Z8 was so good that I listed the sony a7rv and a7iv. For fuji x-s20 for it's size is the only fuji i will keep and that's it.
Enjoyed the video! I had similar thoughts and started moving towards Nikon. I always thought of the 16-55 as being part of the "holy trinity." Curious why that doesn't meet your needs for a 16-35.
Agree with almost all of your points except the following. There are two excellent lenses for video for the X mount - two cine lenses (MKX). There is an interesting lens, the XF 18-120mm, which is basically a very good general purpose carry everywhere lens, and with a Power zoom that is so smooth that it beats the effect that I have seen using external motors on cine lenses. Agreed that the Trinity zoom is not complete and really that need to be updated because the 50-140mm and 16-55mm are not sharp by 40mp standard.
Since I got an mkx for my xh2s theres no AF issues for me, but it's heartbreaking to see how Fuji deals with it's customers and how brand's reputation just ruins.
Just sold my smallish xt-5 kit with 3 lenses. Second time I'm setting aside Fujifilm in the past two years (last time an XS-20 plus more lenses). Much I really like about Fujifilm's approach, but in the end the incoherence of the UX and these nagging AF problems just make it more trouble than it's worth. Clearly many people are successful with Fujifilm gear and I'm glad, hope Fujifilm get things figured out. But for my part choosing simplicity and consistency in my overall kit, rather focus on creating quality images. YMMV.
Somethings wrong with the focus on the newer fuji camera , i got myself xt5 after using xt2 many years , i was so excited with it , but ended up selling the xt5 , idk why most of my photos look soft , out of focus , although my xt2 is older tech , does not have this problem , i shoot motorsport like motogp , f1 , sbk , all fast moving , surprisingly the xt2 still works , not fast enough but getting focus image most of time.
100% agree. Been shooting Fujifilm since my X100T purchased almost 10 years ago. Now I have the XT20, XS10, and XT5, with way too many lenses to count. The latest firmware broke the eye-tracking AF and their refusal to even acknowledge this situation makes me very hesitant to purchase another Fujifilm product ever again. This has fundamentally shattered my trust in the company that I used to love so much. They must address this issue ASAP. There should be no reason for a modern mirrorless camera system with so much development time to perform this poorly in AF-C, not to mention that the performance has gotten WORSE with each firmware "upgrade." Absolutely unacceptable.
@@bitpuff that's exactly my point. Breaking customer's trust is a very dangerous thing
Imagine if someone decided to open Lightroom class for the refugees
As an owner of XH2S I can NOT understand how bad the AFC is for video in 2024. You are right, the trust in fujifilm is completly gone, I am saving money for Sony. I don't want but I have to because I need reliable AFC. Yes I am pissed
I paid 2.5k for an xh2s and if they don't fix the af and leave all like It Is and launch a new camera to solve the problems with a new hardware leaving all other customers behind, i will istantly switch to Sony. This Is the worst thing you can do to a customer. Your credibility Will go down to 0
Same.
I hear you, but we can't dismiss the possibility they will go that route. I hope they don't, but they may
Look at sonys history of bad and even bricking firmware updates
That's what I did..
I switched to Nikon. Sold my XH2, keeping the XH2s (until now). Tired of waiting. Fujifilm doesn't care. They crippled their R&D
The fact that dozens of reviewers and RUclipsrs have ranted or weighed-in on Fujifilm’s AF problems for months and there has been zero movement or indication from Fuji tells is everything we have to know about Fuji. Either they don’t care or are incompetent at responding to users and customers. Is their CEO asleep at the wheel?? Either way it is a dismal reaction to the distress and concerns of users.
@@Rich-y8n it's my concern as well
@@Rich-y8n Companies frequently create products for fictitious customers rather than actual ones. Feedback from customers is seen as an annoyance that takes their attention away from serving their made-up customers. These companies probably have bad software development managers who either don't know what they're doing or don't care what customers think, or software development doesn't get enough money.
I think they don't know how to solve this issue.
@@stoolin9706haha they probably don’t. What they should offer is a setting in menu to disable the “predictive” algorithm crap. Or just remove it and do an official FW which rolls cameras back to old AF algorithm. But they are such a messed up company they won’t do either. They’ll just release a new camera with same broken AF algorithm.
@@stoolin9706 , the Sony a6700 and other contemporary Sony cameras are equipped with a dedicated AI autofocus processor. This is likely one of the reasons why Fuji is unable to offer reliable autofocus; they do not possess a processor of this nature.
i suggest we start a webpage, where fuji shooters post their "best" out-of-focus photos...
Your photography examples were so beautiful !!! You are clearly a great photographer.
@@DO-xo1cz thanks
Thanks for making the video! Only such videos will bring change to the platform we love. About 4 years ago I switched to fujifilm as my daily/family camera while for professional event work i used Sony. But when the XT5 came out, I switched immediately, and I loved it. I even had two of my friends buy fuji cameras because of me. However, after the updates I would notice more and more problems with focusing. I cant risk losing moments in events so now I switched to the ZF with their 70-180mm 2.8. The xt5 is now the backup camera with the 23mm WR. (FYI the ZF and the 70-180 2.8 is basically the same price as the fuji equivalent setup but with way better focusing and lowlight. Zf raws are so easy to edit in capture one).
Exactly. We are the people, who wanted original SLR feeling and Fuji did that. But I expect to have it top notch, if not, fine, then sorry Fuji, Nikon is also very good...
Have shot with Fujifilm for nearly 10 years. I remember a when a bad firmware update broke some functionality of the X-T2. They pulled the file almost immediately, fixed the problem and re-issued a modified update. Seems with the latest AF debacle and their refusal to resolve it leads me to believe that Kaizen is sadly no longer a Fujifilm philosophy.
Kaizen has been dead since the X-T2, X-H1 was left in the gutter. Some would claim that the X-T3 got more love, but in reality it would've been a d#*kmove if they hadn't applied the X-T4 AF improvements to it, as it is basically the same camera without ibis.
The kaizen isn't dead at all. Aside from the AF issue, they implemented lots of very useful improvements over the years for the latest generation of cameras. Don't let the AF thing obliterate the other good things
@@LucaPetraliaPhotographyThey will say that in this day and age, AF is everything
For sure the most sober take on this whole dilemma, you've summed up all my issues with the company effectively. Grazie
Thanks!
As a GFX user, the issue of the autofocus affected the GFX too but granted, not many people use it for outside/sports/fast action/etc. However, the latest GFXs line sell point is autofocus speed and I upgraded it coz IT WAS GOOD... until the latest firmware. So, even though GFX primary use in studio shoot in single point and not continous, it is still the main selling point and a huge reason why some photographer jump into the medium format. Having said that, in 3-4 years time, all camera probably will have a dedicated focusing chip like the canon r5ii, the sonys etc.
I hear you! As for the chip, I'm pretty sure the next Fujifilm generation will have its own. However, they have to figure out how to make the focus transitions smoother
I was shooting a wedding….. the focus on my xt-5 missed the first kiss. Thankfully the couple was alright with recreating it but it wasn’t the same. I’m switching to either canon or Nikon now but still unsure of which one.
Both are good
If you shoot mostly people, Canon still seems more reliable. There’s a guy called ZP Productions who OWNS all flagships, the R3, A1, Z9, and GFX100. According to him Sony and Nikon has a tendency to front focus or get tricked by eye lashes or fringes. The R3 is his preferred workhorse for portraiture.
Similar for me. After the updates I would notice more and more problems with focusing. I can't risk losing moments in events, so now I switched to the ZF with their 70-180mm 2.8. The xt5 is now the backup camera with the 23mm WR. FYI, the ZF and the 70-180 2.8 are basically the same price as the Fuji equivalent setup but with way better focusing and lowlight. Zf raws in standard profile are so easy to edit in Capture One although on Lightroom its a bit more unusual looking because of the app color science i suppose. I am very satisfied with mine. In addition, the black and white profile is marvelous. No need to buy any presets or styles !
sony AF is brilliant
I'm glad someone is also talking about the lenses and committing a significant proportion of video time to this discussion. GH7 and the PanaLeica 10-25/1.7 is winking at me for these very reasons. I want an XF14-30/2, I want proper AF.C with it because using my Fringer III with a Tokina 14-20/2 and Sigma 18-35/1.8 is really only supported for Stills work and not video. Sigma's 28-45/1.8 speaks volumes, they are not interested in going to the effort for 18-35 for us for X mount natively, and they are not even giving is the 28-45/1.8 as an option for X Mount. We RELY on Fuji for lenses and so many need updates or just included in the line up (to fill gaps).
Fuji's pacing is slowing down at a time it really needs to ramp up to stay relevant in the discussion. AF aside, they have work to do, yet they are basking in the glory of seemingly being novel, popular and backordered. It's not a good look.
BUT... I remind myself its still early days, I'll likely stick with them for another 2-4yrs to watch this space develop.
Very good video Luca and needed to be said.
Cameras are what make the headlines, lenses are what keeps a system alive. I've always said that.
Sony is mastering this big time. Open mount, multiple choices, weird lenses, aspirational lenses... That have them all
Wow ... I'm a Sony shooter, but I've always loved that Fuji made their users so happy with a fun experience. That was good for photography and photographers overall. So sad.
apparently fuji is working on an AF fix
if the fix works, it better come to all fuji cameras and not just the new 5th gen
You have to start somewhere.
Outstanding how you were able to get your thoughts together and create this video. One thing that is happening also is full frame cameras like Nikon and Sony are delivering gear at competitive price to fuji especially with the way fuji gear has increased in price
@@jrperezphotography thanks! To be honest the competition from full frame cameras, with similar specs, isn't close from a price perspective. You may argue the Nikon Z6III is in competition with the X-H2s at a similar price, but the truth is the Fujifilm is a much advanced and capable camera if it wasn't for the continuous AF issue.
Overall, for video and fast shooting the fuji is still much better, despite being older
I think on the used market this is true. I just got a Nikon Z6 for £730 which is great value. The camera looks good as new and takes great photos with the 50mm f1.8 which I also got used in excellent condition for just £400 - way cheaper than the 33mm f1.4 WR and shallower depth of field if I need it. I can get the 40mm for less than £180. The 24-70 f4 is around £300 used and produces better results than the 16-55 and is way lighter (granted less range on the long end). Meanwhile much of the used Fuji gear is going up in price. I miss the Fuji color, better video features and more consistent white balance but I will get used to these things.
I was a Canon user and switched to Fujifilm, perhaps the biggest mistake of all, I have an Using this equipment, my xh2s camera crashes and freezes during work, making me remove the battery to solve the problem, problems with auto focus. It's really chaos to live in the world of Fujifilm.
Thumps us for your message to Fuji. I was Fuji fanboy since Fuji X100T, X100F, XE-3, XT2, and XT3. Just 3 years ago I totally switch to Sony. My main reasons are limitation of Fuji's features of autofocus and low light quality. But I still miss Fuji, I still keep follow Fuji news. Recently I bought Fuji X100VI for my daughter. What I miss Fuji a lot are small form factor body and light weight lenses. I am looking for Fuji XE-5. I love XE series form factor. It is unique and minimalist camera. I will go back to Fuji for my personal photography if Fuji X-E5 will be available soon.
@@thanyawong Thanks, I'm also looking forward to seeing what they do with the X-E line. I sold my X-E4, and I regret taking that decision
I totally agree, great video as always! I recently sold off all my Fujifilm gear and picked up the A7IV and really love it. The autofocus feels like magic after coming up with Fujifilm cameras, especially for birds in flight and wildlife! I liked most things about Fujifilm (I find their lens are lacking compared to the Sony lenses, generally), but I’m very happy that I made the switch overall!
@@JapaneseLegend888 I still have to try the 200-600 with a Sony camera, if it is much better I will probably have to sell my 150-600 to finance that lens
The same here, have the Sony A7IV, it's AF lets you concentrate on photography :) and not being worried if it's in focus or not. And btw I prefer 33MP than 40MP!
And if fuji is listening, it's high time you guys install aspect ratio markings through some firmware update. Aspect ratios such as 1.33, 1.85, etc. I have been shooting documentaries and social media content widely on X-T4 and mostly in situations where I cannot use an external monitor, these aspect ratio markings would be of great use.
It's such a basic thing that almost like no camera manufacturers want to add and it's insane
Those are nice to have for sure, but the AF has to come first.
This seems like phase 2 for me. I was a Nikon user and limped along with a D300 for years without an upgrade with a modern sensor while I was besieged with urgings from Nikon to buy one of their full frame models. I finally did that and was not happy. I bought my first Fuji which was the D400 equivalent I had wanted. The belated issuing of the D500 did not tempt me back to Nikon in the least. Felt like I had been screwed over by Nikon after buying several generations of their APS-C cameras and it left a festering resentment. So Fujifilm needs to fix this.
I love my old X-T2, X-E1, and X100s. I was considering selling my OM Systems OM1, and full frame Nikon gear. I purchased the X-H2s from B&H, really excited to try this state-of-the-art body. Boy what a bummer it turned out to be, when so many of my shots were soft, even when the focus box was locked on. I returned it, last week before my 30 days were up. Fujifilm, please listen to your biggest fans, this firmware problem is real.
Sad to hear that you returned a camera that was supposed to be your dream camera
Luca, thank you so much for this video. You expressed all my feelings. I feel neglected by Fuji. Since I bought XT5 Nikon released xcf camera, which I would immediately buy not having X system with so many lenses. As you said, they have few months to manage this situation and if they don't we may buy different cameras. Honestly, if the loss is not in thousands of Euros, I would already do that change.
I had a large collection of Fuji gear for about 7 years but sold it all 2 years ago when the AF kept letting me down. I expected they would fix it but in the meantime invested in a full frame Sony set up. I’m surprised to see this issue is still causing problems. I really enjoy Sony with access to Sigma and Tamron lenses but won a Fuji 35mm f2 a few months back so bought an XT30ii to go with it. I was afraid of investing in one of the newer bodies. The XT30ii feels like a toy camera- it’s small and fun to play around with. I feel like that’s the future of the x series, with Fuji making the gfx line their professional series now.
I only listened to the section on continuous AF and I agree entirely with your views on the impact on Fuji photographers and the brand trust. I’ve shot Fuji since about 2 years before the XT3 was launched and haven’t upgraded because I’ve rarely used continuous autofocus for my photography. I was really impressed when I saw the new XH cameras AF and recently started to photograph sports e.g. surfing, motorbike racing, so was considering an XH-2S but this situation has stopped me in my tracks. Now to continue my development as a photographer in the direction I want to I either have to wait until this is sorted and work with the XT3 as well as I can or trade in, lose a lot of money and switch to Canon or Sony (probably Canon) with all the relearning and investment that would take.
Fingers crossed for swift software fix.
I'm an enthusiast shooting landscape/cityscape and travel. I switched from Canon APS-C to Fuji (XT-5) a year ago for a lighter and smaller kit and have been very happy. I knew Fuji tracking autofocus wasn't great, but I rarely use it so not a deal breaker. Nevertheless, this debacle with Fuji's firmware updates is still distressing. I'm guessing (hoping) that Fuji is trying to fix the problem with a firmware update and are taking their time so they don't screw up again. But it might be that X mount hardware will never be able to produce tracking autofocus comparable or close to Sony and Nikon. In which case, the best Fuji can do is release an update that rolls back the tracking software to a point where the autofocus worked best. If that's the story, then it seems to me that if you bought your Fuji with that software and found the autofocus less than ideal but acceptable, you should be satisfied, but if you expected Fuji to keep improving the autofocus with firmware updates, you should have bought a Sony or Nikon in the first place.
What lenses do you use? I was thinking of switching to an X-H2 for travel/landscape with the Sigma 10-18 Tamron 17-70 and Fuji 70-300. That combination would weigh just over 2kg.
@@richardzelinka9411 I was more than happy with my X-H2S when it launched. It could be better, but it was overall reliable. The fact that today is less reliable than 2 years ago it's a big trust issue
@@richardzelinka9411 I was more than happy with my X-H2S when it launched. It could be better, but it was overall reliable. The fact that today is less reliable than 2 years ago it's a big trust issue
@@Eikenhorst the combo you mentioned is rock solid, but if you want to stay even more compact and lightweight, I'd choose the sigma 18-50 over the tamron 17-70. The 50-70mm gap isn't that important and you can solve it with a small crop
@@Eikenhorst Fuji 16-80 (24-120 ff equivalent) and Sigma 10-18. (15-27 ff). I shoot wide , but rarely feel a need anything more than 120 at the long end. Also, the Sigma is sharper than the 16-80 at the wide end. I bought a used Fuji 18-135 as a backup lens and that gives me more reach on the rare occasion that I need it. I mostly shoot f5.6 and up and use a tripod for blue hour and nighttime work, so these are fast enough for me. Also, while the Fuji zooms may not be super sharp, they are sharp enough for me and when I have photos printed for a book or display, I've been struck by how sharp the printed images are.
I believe that there is a fundamental hardware problem with the X system that makes it impossible for them to significantly improve the AF and that the problem extends also to the electronics within the lenses. As long as they keep selling X100 cameras by the boat-load they (Fuji) won't care about any of that.
I don't think it's the lenses. Third party lenses that are also available for e.g. Sony don't show as bad AF performance or jumpy video AF there as seen on Fuji.
Without knowing the internals we can only speculate. From my point of view it is more likely that the software team is badly mismanaged and created regressions because of it. As far as I know the sensor comes from Sony, so I don't think that's where the problem is. If it's the hardware, then it's the X processor 5. That would be bad and lead to this whole thing only being solved by the next Gen (if at all).
I upgraded to an XT5 because of the subject detection, improved autofocus and resolution over the XT3. So far the subject detection hasn't worked, you get a green box but focus is off more than half the time and autofocus tracking was better on the XT3 in my experience. The higher resolution is good but I don't think all the lenses on their optimised list perform well on it. Mainly the 16-55 for me, unless I have a bad copy but interested to see what they say if they release a new version soon and if that is meant to perform better for the 40mp sensor.
Last saturday I was asked to shoot a theater performance. I took the X-T5 and the 16-80mm on a tripod. 90% of the photos are out of focus despite the AF square was always green. Camera has the latest fw update.
I had used the same equipment in the same theater, with the same light conditions, one year before (so previous to the 4.0 update) and 95% of the photos were in focus.
It is a disaster.
Thanks for your thoughts on this. Fujifilm should listen to all of us.
I used a variety of Fujifilm cameras over the last few years professionally.
A month ago I made the final switch to Canon and it is not only, but mostly for the AF. I am a professional wedding photographer and over the last few months the af of my X-H2 and my X-H2s have failed me varios times. So, I finally sold them alongside a lot of lenses. This was not an easy decision, but it was necessary.
For my personal stuff I still own a X-T5 and three primes, but that‘s it.
Right now, I honestly don‘t care what they do with their future cameras because my Canons just do the job amd they do it great.
I too was an early adopter of Fuji system. I bought the original X100 and the XPro 1 and the 3 original XF lenses. Since then, I have owned the XT1, X100S, XT2, XT3, X100F, XPro3, X100V and XT5. I bought the XT5 about 18 months ago and was satisfied with its autofocusing until the firmware updates earlier this summer. I tried using my XT5 with the XF 70-300 and XF 90 this summer after the firmware updates to take photos of my granddaughter when she was competing in equestrian competitions. The results were so disappointing that I stopped using my Fuji autofocus lenses and switched to manual focus lenses. Since then, I have used only manual focus lenses, primarily Voigtlander and feel that my results are better than I can currently achieve with my Fuji lenses. I am considering selling my Fuji lenses. I have also been toying with the idea of purchasing the Nikon ZF but I agree with your concerns about the size and weight of Nikon lenses and their cost. I do not see the benefit of buying the ZF and pairing it with Voigtlander lenses since this is essentially what I currently have with the XT5 and the Voigtlander lenses I now own.
For those of us who bought the X-Pro2 in 2016 when it was released and didn’t feel the need, or didn’t want to upgrade to the X-Pro3 when it was released back in 2019, has now waited 8 years for a new X-Pro camera. It will likely be another year before the X-Pro4 might be released. If at all? As a X-Pro user I feel a bit neglected and my interest in Fujifilm has faded. I still use the X-Pro2, though. It’s still a good camera. But you know how it is - it’s always fun and exciting with a newer camera.
Better to keep updating skills than cameras…
@@Meritumasthank you, Yoda.
I was a Fuji shooter for years. I had the xt5 and the xh2s and I was so happy with it. It wasn’t perfect, but it was good enough and I loved the camera and the system. What happened a few months ago just broke my heart. I installed the “upgrade”, and my camera was destroyed. The auto focus was horrible. I was sure they are going to fix it, but after a month I realized it’s not going to happen. I took both of my cameras and my 8 lenses and sold everything and bought a Leica q3. It’s expensive as hell, but at least I know I can trust on them, and a Sony zve1 for video, which is amazing. This is how auto focus should work.
I’m still heartbroken. It was such a betrayal. I am never going to funifilm even if the will fix it. The Leica is amazing, the Sony too. Fujifilm just made a loyal customer to hate it. It takes a lot to do something like that
I’d love to buy a FUJI camera for their film simulations and easy sharing to social media.
But these price points at seem ridiculous, with problems with supply chain, battery life, AF, discontinued lines without replacement models….
Seriously I have to wonder if the company even wants to be in business.
I have never liked Fuji film, but I liked their cameras, although rarely used them. Can't say I like their digital cameras. Whatever I like or don't like, I want to see them thriving. The industry needs manufacturers that follow the beat of their own drum, and are not just like everyone else.
Beautiful photos Luca!
Thanks!
I am using single point right now and it is working well. AFC on my X-T50 is better than my X-S20, but single point still works best for me. Hoping they fix this for everyone.
@@MRpapageorgeo1 I also think the X-T50 is currently better than the X-H2s in AF-C tracking
Thanks Luca. My issue is that I have an XT3 and some of the newer glass and do not see what my second body / upgrade path is. The 5th gen has been, IMO, very disappointing. With prices up and quality down, I looked at R5 mkii, Z8, and H2 with primes and zooms I would want (pro 1st party lenses only, not the "3rd party" stuff I don't really care for). The Fuji setup is $6,700, Canon is $10,900, and Nikon is $10,650. For me personally $4,000 is really not a ton of a lot more money to dish out to get an actual upgrade across the board in terms of performance and image quality.
Fuji can do one of two things, really - either lower the body prices to stop me from looking at great alternatives, or make a body or two (XT6 and XH3) that actually meets the performance, ergonomics, and build quality of a proper flagship, priced to reflect APS-Cs relative inferiority to larger sensors. Its B.S. to me that GFX prices are coming down, and APS-C are creeping up (not so much for glass, but for bodies). HIgh quality, (relatively) low cost. That's what I'm asking for - a real XT3 replacement (with battery grip, please).
@@matt88169 4 thousand dollars are a huge difference for many people. That being said, the xt3 replacement is the X-T5 and, AFC aside, it's an excellent camera.
While it is true that prices went up, I'd recommend you to try the X-T50. It's damn good camera which right now has the best autofocus within the Fuji lineup.
Small, compact, beautiful sensor. I'm sure you'll like it a lot
Such a great and informative video! I'm staying committed to Fuji. (I mostly shoot birds and wildlife), anything furry, four legged, wings etc. lol). I still think my XH2s, with 150-600 and 70-300mm lenses work really well. IF. you utilize all the skills you've developed. I have noticed, as of yesterday, my camera was hunting for CAF more than usual on fast flying King Fishers, hawks, and small birds. I had tweeked my AF custom settings a bit to: Acquiring AF, 4, and Speed of tracking, 4. But, I use Zone 3 x 3 focus points and am glad you mentioned that Single AF Point might be better. Thanks again for such an informative and thought provoking video, and hopefully it appeals to Fuji's engineering and management team. I am anxiousily awaiting a firmware update that could inprove their CAF! Other than that, I think everything works very well.
Great video, and GREAT photos, Luca!
Thanks man!
I have 3 fujufilm cameras and have no issues really ...shoot everything from landscapes portraits and weddings...I enjoy the cameras. XT5 GFX 50s ii GFX 100s ii
I love my X-T5 but it is a fact now that their tracking algorithm leaves so much to be desired.
The false positives issue is a deal breaker to me if I were to use it as a professional.
I also own an X-T2 and X100S.
@@lionheart4424 lucky for Fuji very few full time professionals use Fuji X mount when compared to other internchangable lens lines.
Where is it? I have been waiting for a new 18mm f/2 with weathersealing and silent internal focusing since I bought my first Fujifilm camera many years ago. Now using an XT5 with a 23mm f/2. That lens is a little too tight for my taste, but what to do
I know it’s a bigger lens, but the 18mm f1.4 WR s superb. That may be your answer until the 18/2 is revised.
18mm f1.4 WR not good enough ?
If they don't fix the autofocus everyone who considers them capable of professional work will leave. We all know that Sony and Canon have better autofocus, we just love the aesthetics of Fujifilm and the fun it brings. The fun is wearing off..
That's so true. It's not even that I personally expect or need it to be as quick as a Sony, but I expect reliability. Right now it fluctuates from sharp focus to backfocus without any explanation. I had group shots where it would show good AF but focus on a tree in the background. There is no excuse for this to happen in 2024. Or you have it focus on a standing subject with AF-C, it nails the focus, you wait for a specific moment with the shutter half pressed, and right then when you snap the photo it refocuses by itself. It's just so frustrating
Hi Luca! Thanks for your efforts to wrap up the topic about the current intransparent behaviour of Fujifilm. Why don’t they approach the fan base about their current troubleshooting with AF issues? And about the future: I just miss a real future focused lens roadmap. As a passionate product manager my heart is bleeding about this unprofessional behaviour. In times of social media you cannot hide in your ivory tower!
Wonderful, so many accurate and well-made points. As an X-H2S owner I found myself nodding a lot - old lenses in need of an update, new lenses that are expensive and not necessarily much of an upgrade, questionable lenses for video etc. 56mm 1.2 WR, $1k lens, no linear motors and identical optics to old model. 10-24mm F4, WR added, but again, same optics and no LM, lots more money.
Great video Luca, I really hope this one gets a lot of exposure by the algorithm!
I have been thinking pretty much the same things as you have, and at this point I believe that FUJIFILM will start focusing on the GFX line more, and just keeping alive the X100 series. Obviously I hope this is not the case, and 100% agree that their next gen of cameras has to nail the AF-C like never before.
I do hope they fix the AF of their Gen5 processor cameras before they are sunset. And you are totally right about those exceptional lenses. I wish Fuji would make a series of f/2 zoom lenses, similar to the f/1.8 duo from Sigma for DSLRs. And yeah I get that about portability and weight but I still wish for something like this.
The only thing where I highly disagree with you (and this is why Fuji should be really concerned about fixing their AF-C) is about Fuji gear being the "cheapest" professional system you can by.
Nowadays high performers like Lumix S5, Sony A7III and even Canon R8/R6II can be bought new by similar prices or even less than the top X-Mount cameras.
And about lenses...Sigma, Tamron and Viltrox have been releasing outstanding beauties like the 28-105mm f/2.8, the 35-150 f/2-2.8 and when it comes to Viltrox, they even improve their lenses like the 75mm f/1.2 (E-mount version has more features than the X-mount version for the same price).
@@lionheart4424 thanks! About the cheapest professional system I meant with flagship glass and cameras. All those cameras you mentioned are very good, but AFC aside, the X-H2s/X-H2 combo smoke them all for specs and features
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography Oh I see now, that I can agree with.
I switched from Nikon FF DSLRs to Fuji when the X-T1 first came out. With their compact lenses and bodies, it was a big advantage for me. However, today almost every brand has its small form factor range of products. It's ridiculous that the Sony FF A7C(II/R) is smaller and lighter than an APS-C Fuji. Apart from the vintage look and feel, I don't see any advantage anymore to choose for Fuji, especially for professional work. I still use the X-T4 and the X100VI for casual fun shooting, but I wouldn't trust the autofocus for a paid shoot or video.
The a7c line is a bit of an odd one. I currently have the A7CR, and yes it is less tall than the X-T50 for example, but it's more because of the form factor. The Sony is wider and the viewfinder isn't as good as the X-T50's which, for a camera that costs more than double the price, is kind of depressing.
But the real difference is still in the lenses. The 16-25 has a short range, and it is compact for full frame standards, but the Tamron 11-20 is way smaller, not to mention the tiny Signs 10-18.
For what concerns the autofocus I'm almost sure they'll fix it, but yes, it's taking too long to get there
What everyone has to recognize is that Fujifilm is a tiny part of the Fiji conglomerate. It provides very little to its overall revenue. As such it does not rank hardly at all in the overall priorities of the company.
Management may well not see any advantage to spending additional money on fixing the problem quickly or maybe not fixing it at all. It may be that all the bad press about the cameras (and by association, the Fuji brand) will be an excuse to get out of the consumer camera business all together.
Remember the camera business is still contracting so the outlook for increasing revenues (or even maintaining present levels) is bleak. Olympus bailed out last year. Is Fuji next? 😢
They don't have a 400mm F4 or a 600mm F4 because they JUST recently (last 2 years) have had a good professional body for it. The X-H1 was a flop. They tried again much later with the XH2S and were more successful. I don't know the sales numbers but I would assume the XH2S sold fairly well and we will see a XH3S body in the future. IMHO, they have to nail 3 things with the XH3S 1) Autofocus, autofocus, and autofocus 2) No compromises stacked BSI sensor with best in class electronic shutter 3) ever-so-slight bigger Pro body.
If they can do that and launch it with a under $7K 400mm f/4 with built-in TC they will have a huge winner. I too was disappointed with the rumors of the GFX 500mm f/5,6 being down ported to APSC. What they really need to do (and what Olympus did with their 400mm f4.5) is release a pro, dedicated APSC, 300mm f/2.8 or 400mm F/4 with built-in TC. No other brand is invested in APSC and fuji has the best fully stacked BSI APSC sensor in the game right now. They should lean into improving that standing. I think they would have customers if they released dedicated APSC primes with performance and lightweight in mind
Fuji already has great standard primes, they have great retro-styled bodies, with great image quality. They need to update some of their oldest lenses notably the 40-150 and 8-16 and 16 f/1.4.
It’s funny, I went through this with Panasonic and their terrible autofocus. Sold off all my Panasonic gear and am not going back.
I’m likely going to leave Fujifilm soon for the same reason.
I'd say give them a last chance before doing it
@@LucaPetraliaPhotography absolutely. I’m waiting to see what they do with the firmware. It’s just been frustrating to see the C-AF getting worse.
And now Panasonic again is rock solid when it comes to AF with their S5II and G9II etc. I would say almost on Sony level. The brands keep leapfrogging each other. Having said that I am confident Fuji will eventually fix this.
I sold my Fuji X-H2s (FW 6.0) and bought a Panasonic S5IIx. AF is much better, with a lot of tools for video, a more structured menu, and better IBIS. Sometimes I miss Fuji, but $2500+ is too much for this AF, and problems with FW
@@infantfrontender6131 I was with Panasonic since the GH4, lots of lenses, had the GH5, GH5s, moved on to the S1 but I had too many shots ruined by unreliable AF - loathed people saying using manual focus on these fly by wire lenses, it was just awful. Fuji’s been a great system and I’ll wait and see what happens over the next year before making a big move.
Thank you for this video. You are on point about everything. Hope Fuji listens though I’m afraid that it will be too late and they will be left with one trick pony, x100. I changed from Fuji to Sony full frame two years ago and I’m as happy as I can be. The new sensors have great colors too.
Same. My only regret since leaving Fuji is not being able to shoot the 18mm f1.4 LM WR anymore. But other than that, Sony has been amazing. With companies like Cobalt Imaging, I can get full frame and Fuji colours too.
I shot a wedding recently on XH2S with original 23 1.4 and 56 1.2 and it was great. Yea there were missed shots but it was a great experience and superb images. My brother used his XH2S with Viltrox 27 and 75 and missed more photos than me but the in focus photos were absolutely outstanding. The image Fuji creates are simply superb. The X mount will not die for a very long time.
I keep thinking if it's time to look for another system and how long will support keep going for my camera... but somehow systems live and die but the Pentax 67 keeps going strong!
MFT = Dying or Dead as per some RUclipsr
APSC = The Future MFT
Full Frame = The Future APSC
Medium Format = The Future Full Frame
Most of the PRO I know and I assisted uses either SONY, CANON and NIKON Full Frame. Every time I asked, one of the common answer is "It's Full Frame", simple. Most client's does not care what format or brand you used but this time, it is the Photographers decision to choose Full Frame because of Reliability, Sensor Size, Price and Support. They mostly booked Weddings, Birthdays, Company Events and other celebrations that are mostly indoors. If they need one, they just rent lens that they don't have like telephoto.
Great video man. Just one thing though. I have upgraded my xt5 to the 4.01 firmware and now my AF is broken on single on continuous and wide tracking. I get about 25% hit and 75% missed. Before that, on the 3.01 I had no problem at all. So I’m extremely upset
30:00 , 2018 XT3 425 af points , 117 usable , 2022 XH2S 425 af points 117 usable. Same specs. The exact same AF technology but with better subject detection.
Legend here🎉
That's exactly what I meant Edvard
Pretty accurate assessment. I think Fujifilm just does not have the volume and budget to develop at the rate and speed we see Nikon and Sony innovate and coming up with lens lineup. We are missing the ultra wide and fast primes and zoom you mentioned. I'd love to see a 16-50 f2 or a 35mm f1 as well. Where is the white 2x teleconverter to use with the 200mm f2?
The problem is that Fuji doesn't provide an f/2.8 zoom that can take filters, like a 16-35mm FF is indeed largely resolved now with the fantastic 10-18mm Sigma lens. The same goes for affordable primes, there is again Sigma with a line of amazing f/1.4 lenses, but obviously they are not 200 USD.
The biggest issue with these Sigma lenses is that they don't have the aperture ring that you kind of want, especially on Fujifilm.
To be honest im a big fuji fan but the AF problems rn are not ignorable. Im not a Filmer at all but the AF on the XH2s for Birds got worse in last update. I know how to set AF customs etc but the new AF seems to overestimate the movements even in lowest sensibility.. its not ok but i think Fuji gona fix this.. the lenses i dont see the problem so tight yess the crazy lenses are expensive but theyr top like 8-16mm 16-55mm 200mmf2 50mmf1 the new 33mmf1.4 80mm macro theyr all amaazing in my opinion
But yeah AF on XH2 and XH2s is inaceptable like it is rn
Great video Luca, summarized a lot of pain points I had with Fuji. Myself had been shooting Fujifilm for last 10 years and I just sold all my gears (XT4 + 7 lenses) last week switching to Sony (and lost quite some money like you said).
It is not that I would expect better pictures from Sony but I had lost faith in Fuji, disappointed on some of the directions in last couple of years - sloppy AFC, scalping X100, more and moer pricing, slow lens release... These are making me doubt the future of the X Mount. I feel like Fuji is caring more about marketing stuffs and upselling their camera bodies, instead of paying attention to real photography needs (e.g. better AFC, lens line up etc). I still hope to see they do better as I had great time with my old Fuji cameras, but they better improve fast enough before more people walking away like me.
First of all Luca, the photos in the intro were excellent! Regarding the topic, I appreciate you mentioning that using Fuji cameras with single point continuous is still fine. I use single point or multi while using video both as a hobby and for paid work with the X-T4 and it's been really good. The same goes for single point and zone for photos, but almost never using tracking modes because of what RUclips videos have been saying.
I hope Fuji watch your video because it's very in depth, has great points and it shows how much you care. Even though I'm almost never using tracking, they definitely do need to up their game judging by comparisons with the other brands. Hopefully they will because if they can get the AF to be as good as their colour science and aesthetics as well as the points you made, that'll put them in a great position.🤞
@@nomadictimbo9185 thanks!
My most favourite ever camera was the X-H1. But they brought out the X-H2 and 2s, changing the dials and screen, and still with flawed focus tracking (plus the other problems reviewers have mentioned in several places). Those things and the many things you refer to here, are why i switched to Sony. The Sony cameras are not anywhere near as much fun to use (and occasionally really, really annoying]. But the system does the things i want it to, while still being relatively light. Really sad to leave Fujifilm. I had so many of their lenses. Towards the end of my time with them, i was however, using quirky lenses from the likes of TTartisan and vintage Helios. The lens i missed most was the quirky 35mm f1.4 as it was wonderful for portraits.
I got used to the new layout, despite missing the clickable dials, and they overall make a lot of sense if you zoom out and see those cameras as an attempt to attract new customers
Good video, subscribed.
Im waiting to see what happens with AF and what an x-t6 looks like. If things don't get sorted a Z6ii has got my name all over it!
Hi Luca. Hello, from sunny Phoenix, Arizona, USA.
Where to start: First, yes, the AF-C for the X-T5 and X-H2/H2s cameras must be fixed ASAP, even if it means releasing a firmware downgrade. Second, as the owner of the outstanding XF-200mm lens and all recent F1.2/F1.4 lenses, I would quickly purchase a XF-400mm F2.8. (Provided its performance optically and responsively were the same as the XF-200mm, and it included a teleconverter, preferably built-in.)
I love Fuji colors and rendering, but I'm starting to lose my trust in the brand. Good thing I have Sony full-frame (a7R v) and a full set of lenses as a go-to.
The short answer, if you focus in your channel on photography you will get very less audience than focussing on public interest and what I have observed that Fujifilm are getting a lot more sales from the public through the X100 line and other hypes cameras and that is where is their focus now I guess.
just a point of view 👍
Fuji needs to publicly address the autofocus. It’s time they fix it. Basically everyone else has.
I'm also really bothered by Fuji's X-Mount lens lineup. They just forgot their Red-Badge Pro-Grade zooms for such a long time, and those are so incredibly key for building confidence in an ecosystem. Not just the lack of an equivalent 16-35 2.8 that's really bad, but all of the currently available pro standard zoom lenses being sooooooo old, basically from back when the system launched and never updated and with the tech being dated as a result. There's finally a refresh for the 16-55 2.8 coming at least, but it took sooooo long. In general it just really feels that they are dedicating most of their development resources towards the GFX system for the last few years.
@@phjac to be honest the 16-55 is still a spectacular lens, as well as the 50-140. The only reason why I want the version 2 is size and more video centric features
Fuji can not bring out another Xh body without fixing the firmware on the XH2 and XH2S first, and delivering everything they promised when they released these body's. for me the XH2S will be the last body I ever buy from Fuji if they don't.
I'm sure 90% of the Fujifilm users are on the same page
Rollback…rollback, rollback, rollback. I can’t believe that this is not something that could be easily implemented.
Firmwares aren't that easy to roll back, that's why almost no one does it. They also want to avoid removing functionalities that customers may have gotten used to
Didn't know about issues with AF-C on newer Fuji cameras...certainly is making me rethink acquiring the X-T5, at least for a little while. Might tempt me to check out Nikon in fact.
Fujifilm sales are a tiny fraction of Sony and Canon sales. I think you are correct in your points, but, it isn't cost effective for Fuji to spread themselves thin making a ton of products that don't sell a lot. So, they focus on what they know will perform the best and let 3rd parties fill in the gaps. That's what i think anyway
My trust in Fujifilm has been long gone since last year moving to Nikon. I'm not counting them out, but its not looking very good at the moment.
Thank you for your video, Luca, however I do not agree with your scenarios. I do not think there is an hardware limitation problem as X-T5 and X-H2s are latest Fuji X generation cameras. If it was a harware problem, then, as anyother industrial manufacturer, car manufacturers or electronics manufacturers, Fuji should just recall all products sold and repair or substitute them. For sure there is a fw problem, as the AF was working pretty fine before the latest updates.
I think that Fuji, if they want to save their brand credibility, they should release a full reset camera software and, a the same time, a new firmware that works. Besides, that fw is already available, it is the previous one.
Thank you. I’m right there with your frustration. I shoot mostly wildlife and have not had much of an AF issue, but I dont use continuous AF and I dont shoot much video. Agree with the lens holes and it doesn’t make any sense. Canon EF had a nice small 200 f2.8, 300 f4, and 400 f5.6 that would full frame but worked well on my old 7D. With the better tech available, it seems like Fujifilm could had made similar lenses that I think would had sold well. I have the 200 f2, its size is definitely limiting when I use it. I wonder if Fuji has some control over third party manufacturers that stop them from filling this void? I have thought about switching, but keep wishing they will add the long primes soon. Thanks
I will be switching to Nikon soon. Thinking of getting the Z7 II with the 24-120 f/4 as my favorite genre is landscape and travel. I cannot trust Fuji anymore with autofocus. I constantly acquire focus and then re-acquire it just to make sure I'm actually in focus. Speaking of focus, they need to focus on fixing the issues that are present and they need to be churning out new lenses. All of their stuff is old except some expensive primes and the even more expensive 150-600mm.
Not everything is old, but I get your point. I'm curious to try Nikon gear as well, I just didn't have a good opportunity yet
Software developer almost 16 years of experience here...
I am telling you, if development team, from release iteration to iteration, ignores bug that clearly ruining brand, there is something wrong. Either they did something that is not so easy to deal with, or just don't care.
I was planning to buy X-H2s, but then I noticed what is going on. Those AF issues are really minor for most cases, however I don't like how Fujifilm makes the whole case as least transparent as they can, leaving customers on their own. That's a red flag for me.
Bought Panasonic Lumix s5IIx instead of X-H2s and it was my best buyers decision of this year!
BTW. I love my XPro2. Will not sell it :)
I must be doing something wrong but I find this gripe about Fujifilm AF problems boring and looks like an overloaded band wagon. I shoot sport, wildlife, landscapes and sometimes family functions. I use the XH2s and XH2. I use the 100-400 and Nikon 500 f5.6 pf with Fringer adapter. Plus 16-80f4 and some small primes. I have owned Nikon Z8 and Z9 and shot Nikon for 23 yrs, I owned sone A9ii and A1 and OM-1 only major system I have not owned is Canon. Why Fuji for the past 5 yrs with Nikon. Nikon use to be my main system but the mirrorless transition was slow, I also wanted a lighter more compact system. The Fuji Xh2s focus system is as good as the Nikon Z6iii. The issue is that it takes time and effort to work out the most suitable settings for what you do. Trust me non of these systems are perfect. Nikon has its own challenges, and sometimes you just have to go without subject and eye detection. Where Fuji is lacking is on some lenses. The 100-400 is great but needs an upgrade to internal zoom design like the 150-600. This is a very slow lens and at he long end play to any focus system weak spot, bad light. Fuji needs a 400 f4 prime lens. If Nikon can make a 400 f4.5 prime that weigh less than the 100-400 fuji, well anything is possible plus sell for 30% less than the 200f2. So to conclude, all the gripes about fuji focus, take time to test the system, work out the most suitable settings, a change of systems is expensive and the gain most of the time not worth the cost.
I own 3 Fujifilm bodies but for me the magic of the cameras and lenses stoped with the xt2/xpro2. I never cared about fast AF even though I photograph surfing and skateboarding. One you learn MF good you'll never need AF anymore. The new cameras and lenses are too clinical and the images looks just like Nikon and Sony but with worse AF, bokeh, resolution etc. I've bought my last Fujifilm camera unless they release a monochrome Xpro camera. The XE1 is still my favorite even though I own XT2 and XS10 aswell. I recently also tried XT5 for awhile.
90% agree with with you with the 10% because I’m not a pro and can’t relate to some of the pro lenses. I’ve never experienced good AF with Fuji, and while I envy Sony, I’m ok with Fuji AF albeit breaking a sweat when taking some photos.
I wish Fuji releases Mk II of the 18mm F2 and 23mm F2. Because the 18mm is 12 years old and needs WR and maybe LM. I think the IQ of the original should suffice given it’s a pancake though. And since they already updated the X100V lens 4 years ago, I don’t see how difficult it is for Fuji to update with the same formula with the 23mm, fixing the close focus issue.
And yes, they should’ve done what sigma and tamron did and make their own 10-18mm or 11-20mm F2.8. But now that these are available I dunno if Fuji will invest in it. Speaking from the future, I’m happy they updated their 16-50mm kit and 16-55 2.8 though, smaller and sharper combined with IBIS bodies, which is going the right direction. But they should really update their 15-45mm with a sharper glass to fill the beginner market.
That being said, if Fuji doesn’t update the 18mm and 23mm F2, I might just upgrade to X100VI from V instead, and that seems like their “doctor evil” marketing plan after all 🤣🤣. Because for me who shot with the X100 series for almost 10 years, getting the 23mm and 18mm lenses doesn’t make sense when I can upgrade the V to VI, and keep using my WCL for practically the same focal lengths at same costs. This idea came to me as I was trying to replicate the X100V experience with the 27mm F2.8, but this lens is out of stock everywhere! Looks like the chances of me getting any of the 18, 23, 27mm fujicrons are out of the question! Good one Fuji! I feel like a sucker and enjoying it at the same time! Damn! 🤣🤣🤣
The biggest I can see is that the success of their fixed lens cameras is making them divert ressources from he APSC exchangeable lens cameras to the fixed lens cameras. I could see them focusing more on the fixed lens cameras and the medium format cameras. They are well positioned in those segments while the APSC market is already much harder to stay competitive with Canon and Sony having more ressources to throw in their APSC cameras by trickling down features from their full frame lines.Unfortunately it does look like focusing on fixed lens cameras and medium format cameras could make sense
I ruined a Wedding because the AF continuous focus. Consider to switch for Sony A7IV. Dont trust in AF Fujifilm anymore. Shooting Fuji Weddings in the pasta 10 years. Love Fujifilm but not for Weddings.
Fuji should never have gone the x-H way. Big, bulky cameras that, in the end, cannot compete with modern FF. There are signs (look at the financial results 2023 conference by Teiichi Goto, which insists on brand value, assumes scarcity) that fuji wants to go the Leica way. Which is not good news for most Fuji users and let's us guess that Fuji could not care less about fixing the AF problems.
According to Reddit, Fujifilm is aware of this issue and very serious about fixing it. BUt that would be the last chance to turn the tide.
I got most of my Fuji stuff up for sale. Got 1 body left and a bunch of lenses.
Even Panasonic caught up to Sony in autofocus, its shocking to me that Fujifilm has had PDAF for quite a while now and still cannot figure it out.
Fact is that Fuji X-H2s has worse video autofocus then the GH6.
The GH1 can actually track your face without loosing you, X-T5 has serious trouble in that department, GH1 came out in 2009. Thats tragic.
Samsung NX1 was the first camera to use hybrid contrast and PDAF autofocus in video with very good results in 2014 again Fujifilm does not seem to understand what they are doing.
Olympus E-M1 another PDAF sensor that perform on par with Fuji but this camera is from 2013....
There just no excuses, Fujifilm is good fun cameras for hobby but not for professional work.
Not to mention their shoddy build quality is unacceptable, I never ever had camera where the rubber grip is peeling, the plastic doors are falling off, ridiculous.
@@SMGJohn I had plenty of Nikon gear that started falling apart, never had Fuji gear falling apart. I guess sometimes it's a matter of luck.
For what concerns Panasonic, I haven't had the chance to try their new cameras, but from what I hear they're better then before, but still away from Sony in AF
Say it again my brother. They are very lazy. I always bash them on Twitter. Instead of them to fix their attention on fixing their autofocus, they are releasing a new camera.
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Nikon I can understand, most people throw these cameras around for fun and they still survive.
Fujifilm quality control are notorious in Fujifilm community and a lot of people are unhappy but at least Fujifilm will fix these issues for free.
At work the S5M2 and GH7 both perform on par with the A7IV in video AF, the Panasonic system seems a lot more reliable to track people at a distance, our GH7 tracked someone 200 metres away on a football field in C-AF, I thought it was a bug at first, we could barely see the face of that person but the camera AI somehow recognise it. Very impressed, even with metabones adapters latest firmware, we can get PDAF on 24-105mm F4 and the 50mm F1.2 to track like native, only downside is lens motors being very loud in the process.
lol Panasonic is way closer to Fuji AF than Sony. I know. I’ve used Panasonic, fujifilm, and Sony’s recent and flagship cameras extensively. Panasonic is a little better than Fuji right now, but this sort of false equivalence that Panasonic is as good as Sony is insane. It just isn’t. Not even close.
Also I’ve had rubber grips and port doors fail on every camera brand I’ve ever used. Relax dude. You’re not wrong that Fuji needs to wake up and make some improvement’s, but it’s not as dire as you make it seem.
Some of the Canon aps-c cameras have bad AF, and nany Canon lenses have issues. OM Systems has AF worse than when they were Olympus.. it's not an isolated Fuji issue. Or what about Sony display coating falling off over time, for about a decade of Sony models!
Just hopping in to say that there isn't that much size/weight reduction to be had on a 500mm f5.6 lens designed specifically for X-mount versus one adapted from the GFX line. The size/weight savings that APS-C offers come from using a much shorter focal length to achieve the same reach. (e.g. 250mm versus 500mm).
Not to mention that it's gonna be huge regardless so I can't imagine who would really care.
Fuji is toast, unless they turn the ship around fast. It will suffer a slow agonizing death until finances dictate that it's no longer viable. Initially Fuji got a lot of mileage out of the the "Poor man's Leica" marketing push but 4 years later almost everyone is disappointed. Slow inaccurate focus and less than rugged bodies. Witness how the Nikon Zf has stolen most of its thunder. Fast accurate focus and a huge selection of lens.
Fuji ist starting to lose the trust train and thats a very bad thing. She gave new lenses that make the camera system so big that if you go to full frame you will have a bigger sensor with almost same size. People want for years a new 18mm f2 and it never comes out. The new xpro4 xe5 are never coming out and the old ones are keeping as uses prices up. I remember buying an x70 almost 10 years ago from a guy 2-3 weeks old for 500 euros and now i must pay the same for that old model, thats not normal. The x100 series are holding a hype and a price that reaches a used leica. The autofocus was and still is a problem. If they dont bring back the old policies where they respected the customer i am not buying anything from them. We want the xt-1 respect where the camera got for years updates, the lenses too. No one needs more film simulations, the are more than enough. Develop camera and lenses that are small unbreakable and support them with updates for at least 6 years. If sony gives a small 28mm lens that goes well with small bodies i am for sure going this path. I tried the one of my brother and i couldnt believe how accurate it is, it almost never fails.
If the firmware coming out in November fixes everything, the trust will be gained again.
The lenses development thing is the most concerning. The rumored 16-55 2.8 mkII seems to go in the right direction, but it's the holes in the lineup that need to be addressed.
I would immediately purchase a new 18mm F2 ti go with en xe5
Fuji cameras produce beautiful images but I definitely wouldn't rely on it for paid professional work. Sony is MUCH better for professional work. BUT for a typical hobbyist, Fuji is fine.
regarding RUclipsrs, there are a few who are claiming that Fujifilm should replace the x system with a full frame one, is there a remote chance that they are considering that?
They can’t even get autofocus right with a stacked APSC at 120fps scan speed. A full frame sensor with slower readout will make them worse than the DFD from Panasonic years ago. Even modern Panasonic is better now.
@@jasontaycs7195 I always thought that the size of the sensor helped with autofocus too, Sony's and canon's best af cameras are full frame, but it could be that it's for other reasons...
Already left the XF system, sold almost all my gear. They don't improve the AF. There aren't new relevant prime lenses for years now. They don't update old lenses (50-140mm).
With the XH2s and the Z8 when shooting speedway: I am getting the same hit rate. When shooting portraits: Fujifilms AF isn't reliable.
They released a group of new primes a year or two ago
@bjmarchives I had them all.
33 and 18, 23/1.4: presented early 2021 - so three years ago. So nothing relevant for three years.
The 56/1.2? Still slow focusing and noisy, completely unacceptable. They should adept the standards of Sigmas Art line or Sony GM. Fast silent focusing. High IQ.
I hope Fujifilm also has the same concerns
I hope that too
I’m a professional. I’ve shot Fuji for 7 years. I sold my Fuji pro gear(XH2 and XH2S). They have become unreliable and unresponsive. Im shooting Canon, R6MKII, now
I hear you. I'm still optimistic about them fixing it, but I understand as a professional one can't just take a chance
I’m glad I bought an old used XT-2 to start with photography and I’m happy with the quality and outcome of the photos. What I think the problem is: they are too successful with their x100 series, so they focus on it too much. They artificially reducing production so the hype stays up and most buyers of the x100 line are some hipsters who want to have an aesthetic, small travel camera. Maybe most of them don’t even know what an Aps-c or full frame sensor is. So for Fuji it’s pretty simple: just keep the x100 series hyped and revenue should be safe. They know that professionals go to Sony for their autofocus so why even trying
The X100 series was not a worldwide high demand product until an influencer on Tik-Tok raved about it. The hype took off from there and it became a must-have item in countries like China, where it’s used as a fashion accessory and a status symbol as well as a camera.
Fuji should be careful because fashion trends can change like the wind and another brand could quickly take the lead in trendiness. (The Ricoh GR3 series is hot nowadays also).
If that happens, Fuji will only have photography pros and enthusiasts as customers once again.
So it’s vital that Fuji don’t forget their real customer base and take quality control more seriously.
I shoot fuji for fun and as backup now,the nikon Z8 is everything one could have ever asked for in a camera . This is coming from a guy who also have top of the lines sony cameras. The Z8 was so good that I listed the sony a7rv and a7iv.
For fuji x-s20 for it's size is the only fuji i will keep and that's it.
Enjoyed the video! I had similar thoughts and started moving towards Nikon.
I always thought of the 16-55 as being part of the "holy trinity." Curious why that doesn't meet your needs for a 16-35.
My eyes are now not great so focusing is a real issue. Fuji need not produce any new cameras till the focus gets fixed.
Agree with almost all of your points except the following. There are two excellent lenses for video for the X mount - two cine lenses (MKX). There is an interesting lens, the XF 18-120mm, which is basically a very good general purpose carry everywhere lens, and with a Power zoom that is so smooth that it beats the effect that I have seen using external motors on cine lenses. Agreed that the Trinity zoom is not complete and really that need to be updated because the 50-140mm and 16-55mm are not sharp by 40mp standard.
Since I got an mkx for my xh2s theres no AF issues for me, but it's heartbreaking to see how Fuji deals with it's customers and how brand's reputation just ruins.
Just sold my smallish xt-5 kit with 3 lenses. Second time I'm setting aside Fujifilm in the past two years (last time an XS-20 plus more lenses). Much I really like about Fujifilm's approach, but in the end the incoherence of the UX and these nagging AF problems just make it more trouble than it's worth. Clearly many people are successful with Fujifilm gear and I'm glad, hope Fujifilm get things figured out. But for my part choosing simplicity and consistency in my overall kit, rather focus on creating quality images. YMMV.
Somethings wrong with the focus on the newer fuji camera , i got myself xt5 after using xt2 many years , i was so excited with it , but ended up selling the xt5 , idk why most of my photos look soft , out of focus , although my xt2 is older tech , does not have this problem , i shoot motorsport like motogp , f1 , sbk , all fast moving , surprisingly the xt2 still works , not fast enough but getting focus image most of time.
It's not all doom and gloom, AF-S still works fine