How To Screed For A Paver Patio (DIY)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Check out this video as we take you through the basics of "Screeding" the bedding material. The step before laying pavers.
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Enjoy the video and check out all the videos from this project by clicking this link right here👉 • Backyard Makeover!
- The pavers used on this job were made by (Genest)
- The Main pavers are a 3 piece pattern (laid randomly). They are called (Grand Katahdin). The color blend is called (Meadow).
-The border pavers are called (Hollandstone). The color blend is called (Charcoal).
I love how you oversize the area and fill it with crushed 3/4 gravel for the base, and then draw onto that flat base surface. It makes everything easier and takes off a lot of the pressure to get exact locations perfect before you start to dig. If you oversize the subbase that is no great loss. It's a small amount of extra material and digging for much greater flexibility in design.
Thank you. That is the most efficient way to keep the job rolling at a good pace. I always tell people that spending to much time setting up and figuring things out can be a waste. Just dig in and over excavate to account for slight shifting. You need to over excavate by a minimum of 8" on all sides to prevent the edges from sinking so going up to 12" around all sides, that is plenty of room to build with slight room for variation. Good on you for noticing that ✌
Aayyyyyy no four corners finally a RUclips patio video that the person actually knew what they were doing when laying the patio.
🤣✌ I hear you man, the paver video game is weak on RUclips....
Nothing like the smell of a freshly pressure washed pave patio!
I totally agree! ✌🏻
right to the point and covered everything in order for someone to get the ball rolling. great video and thanks for the help.
First, this looks amazing, I love how maticulous you guys are and how much care your took to get everything just right. Second, this was super informative. My project is super small by comparison, but seeing all the steps you did and all the details around the materials you used will help me do my little front patio right! Thank You!
Thank you very much! I’m glad you found it helpful, it has been fun making these videos and knowing it’s helping others is great! Good luck on your project and enjoy the process. It’s really cool building things like this, especially when you can step back at the end and feel the accomplishment of a job well done! ✌🏻
I was thinking the same thing, you can tell they care about the quality of their work! I’d hire you all if you were in my area!! Great video and excellent pointers. Thanks for posting
I wish everyone worked like these guys do, no matter what your job is
@Scott _____ my grandpa told me if a jobs worth doing, it's worth doing right.
I love that band "A Perfect Circle"!!!!!
I agreed you ! Not use sand ,bec I found under step in patio and there are many red fire ants . They steals sand and makes hill her home . Thanks for sharing your shown video 👍👏 You are a wonderful and talent job .
The ants definitely love living underneath patios that were laid on sand, great point! Thanks for the support! ✌🏻
I use a concrete rake for gravel. Best thing I have used. Nice work!
I see a lot of people use them, never tried it... maybe someday ✌
Man! That is nice and flat! Awesome job! Might try a patio myself....
Thank you! It just takes some basic understanding of the concept and confidence to give it a try. ✌
I thought bedding sand was supposed to be sand so that when vibrated, it comes up into the grooves of the pavers, meeting the poly sand?
Your plan makes more sense, that 1/4" is more solid and wont slip through the 3/4" stone, but what happens when you vibrate the pavers?
The traditional way of laying pavers is on 6" of compacted (Road Base) also known as (Dense Grade) or (Class 5) and leveled off with 1" of sand. This method has many common issues and problems that can occur. I use a backfill method called (Open Grade Base). It consists of 6-8" of 3/4" clean crushed stone and leveled off with 1-1.5" of 1/4"-3/8" clean crushed stone, also known as (Chip Stone) or (HPB - High Performance Bedding) or (PBS - Premium Bedding Stone). This method is far greater for laying pavers and helps prevent frost heaving during winter months because water drains right through it.
Here is a video I made that explains the method in far more detail 👉ruclips.net/video/ChaJe3JqD6I/видео.html
Amazing
Love the description of the materials used and the sizes
Thanks
Thank you, I’m glad it was helpful! 👍🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper yes it was and I like your way to explain things
I actually looking for an advise as I’m doing a project by myself I already made a mistake, so before going ahead I would like an opinion from a professional like you . Can I Call you via WhatsApp and show you the project and take five minutes of your time at some point ?
I’m happy then to make videos of the job and sharing your details in those videos as thanks 🙏
What do you think?
I’m sorry, I don’t have What’s App… any question in particular? I have a lot of videos explaining different things, maybe one of those will answer your questions..?
@@TheChristianHardscaper yes thanks
I watched few more and I think I nailed the solution
Thanks for your videos
Very professional
@@giuseppemanzoli-chef Awesome, glad you figured out the solution. Thanks again for the feedback! ✌
I understood everything you did! Keep up the good work!
Glad to hear it, Thank you ! ✌
You remind me of Ben Aflac sir. Thank you for the video
🤣 I get that on here every once and a while... Thanks for the comment! ✌
That’s beautifully done 🤩
Thank you! ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper you’re welcome ☺️
Great video, I’m surprised you don’t have more subscribers. It came out so beautiful!
Thank you very much, patience is key with RUclips…. That’s what I’m learning anyway. Glad you liked the video! ✌🏻
nice work im sure mine will turn out great after your videos ! thanks!
Thank you and good luck with your project, I'm sure it will come out great! ✌
Very great video man
Thanks ✌
Amazing work 👏 hats off
Thank you ✌🏻
Do you compact the leveling material ?
No I don't I compact the base material and then compact the pavers into the bedding material. Here is a link to a video I made which explains my base prep method in much more detail 👉ruclips.net/video/ChaJe3JqD6I/видео.html
So you don't have to compact this 1/4 inch crushed stone base before screeding? What about if using sand? Would you compact the sand before screeding?
No you don't. You compact the pavers into this stone after you lay them and install the polymeric sand. If you use sand (which I do not recommend) yes, you should compact it before screeding.
Awesome work👍🏼
Thanks ✌️
Thank You 🙏🏼
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Hope my question doesn't sound dump but I am laying in sidewalk to eventually go all the way around house! I've layed the base which is C6 and leveled! I did not see in your video where you used a tamper machine is it necessary or no? Also it may rain do I need to cover base my understanding is it gets hard not sure from water or tamping? Also the stone you used for top, you said 1/4 inch chip stone? I'm shopping at the Stone Store and I don't see that size or does it go under another name? Thanks for you reply! 😃
Awesome video
Great info! Thank you! My only problem with your video is the volume kept changing and the music was to loud!
Thank you! I wish I could go back and edit the volume levels… this was one of my 1st videos and I was not to good at editing ( clearly… lol ) the sounds and volume are a lot more balanced in my newer videos. Thanks again! ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper keep up the good work and video’s! But don’t make it look to easy then everyone will think they can do it themselves and you’ll be out of a job! lol
🤣🤣Thanks for the support, the more that know, the better the community will be! ✌
Thanks!
No problem, thank you! ✌
I'm looking to lay pavers on my own and my understanding is to put down 4 inches of 3/4 inch crushed gravel and 1 inch of concrete sand. My question is: could I just put down 4 inches of HPC and then polymeric sand to cover the gaps between the pavers? Thanks!
Here is a video I made on how to prepare the base for pavers in more detail 👉ruclips.net/video/ChaJe3JqD6I/видео.html
Don't roast me for my comment/question, but when you remove the PVC pipe it leaves an area unfilled. Then when it's shown again it's smoothed out. Do you just fill in that void? That part is always skipped.
No problem with that question at all. Once we remove the pipes, we fill the void with a shovel and smooth it out with a 16 inch hand float (like they use in concrete.
Not sure why I didn’t include that in this video but I go over it in more depth with this video right here 👉🏻How To Screed For A Paver Walkway (DIY)
ruclips.net/video/69R0yfzsd24/видео.html
1” screed pipes? The 3/4 crushed gravel has no fines? I’m assuming you went 3” or did you go four inches? Compacting between the 2” lifts? I don’t remember seeing a plate compactor, maybe I need to watch it again? That would be a lot of hand tamping, Did you use a permeable material, non woven geo textile, for the ground or that was the purpose of the slope to provide drainage? I like your method over using a class 5 recycled road base for the base. Would you still use the 1/4” crushed for artificial grass or go with washed mason sand?
Check out this video of how I backfilled for this project right here 👉ruclips.net/video/NmCwCQvAnF0/видео.html
I live in Texas and all I can find is 3/8 crushed limestone or road base is your 3/8 base made from lime stone . What kind of rock is your stones made of
We have a lot of granite and bluestone here in Massachusetts. Limestone will work just fine though ✌
looks awesome!
Thanks!
Your videos & work are absolutely Beautiful, this is my first time putting down Pavers which are 16x16 with 2 inch in height ,it’s an 8x80 I now have just Dirt on the ground, which crushed concrete do I use? #57 3/4 or 1/4, Thank u for your Help
Thank you very much, I'm glad you like them and they are helping! Here is a link to a video that explains the method I use in detail 👉ruclips.net/video/ChaJe3JqD6I/видео.html
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thank u so much for the link, it shows & explains exactly what I need to do my project, your a huge help.
@@DHSFEMAMy pleasure, I'm glad it gave you some more info! Good luck with the project!
What is a pitch
"Pitch" is how sloped the grade is to account for water run off. Every patio / walkway we do is installed with a slight pitch for surface water to run off and drain so that there is no puddles in the middle of your install. ✌
Amazing stuff
Thanks ✌🏻
It's really a blast watching your content. It got me so motivated, in fact, that I started on my own paver patio. I'm wondering if I can use screed rails to lay the class II paver base (not chipstone or stand) out properly. Otherwise, I'm not sure how I can get the surface both uniformly level and the right slope. Thanks.
Some people do use the rails for the base material. I just rake it out and check it with the rails on top and correct what needs to be corrected. Good luck with your project! ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thanks for the response.
I did not see you shoot any grades. I assume you did it off line. Since you are adjusting the pitch with the pipes, did you lay the 3/4” crushed gravel level all over? Also, is that pitch 1/8”/ft or 1/8” over the length of the pipe?
We grade the base stone with the same pitch as we need the pipes. 1/8 pitch means 1/8 of an inch per foot. 1 inch per 8 ft. this patio was 20 ft wide, so we had 2.5 - 3 inches of slope from the high side to the low side. ✌
What size is on tha gas pipe in mm.?
Is it. 1 1/4 ?
They are 1 inch interior and 1 - 1/4 inch exterior pipes
I didn't see exactly how you set the height of the pipe? Are you just knocking the pipe deeper into the 3/4" gravel until it's 1/8th pitch lower?
Yes, I use a dead blow hammer to set the pipes at the correct pitch. If it ends up being a little less chip stone, its not a problem. But if it seems like the 3/4 is to high and you keep hammering, then the best thing to do is pick up the pipes and remove some stone to correct the pitch of the 3/4. ✌
Literally all of the landscape supply places here where I live all have fines in their rock. Is it the end of world if that's all I can use? I'm in Arizona by the way
That's crazy man, I get that response from a good amount of people. It is very surprising to me. I feel like 3/4 inch clean, crushed stone is a very common building material. They use it in concrete and under concrete all the time. But if you can't find any clean stone for the base, just use gravel with fines mixed in. With you being in Arizona, you don't have to prep the base for freeze / thaw issues like we do here in Massachusetts.
@@TheChristianHardscaper should I then stick with the normal mason sand base after as well? I ask for 1/4 clean stone for my bedding and they always look at me funny because that apparently isn't a thing here either
1/4 inch crushed clean stone is pretty hard to find sometimes. Look for 3/8 inch crushed clean stone, that will be a fine alternative. Some call it crushed pea stone. If you cant find that, than mason sand for your bedding material is fine as long as you use gravel with fines in it.
Long story short, A clean crushed stone base needs a clean crushed stone bedding. A gravel base with fines, needs a mason sand bedding. In your climate, both will work well.
@@TheChristianHardscaper awesome, thank you so much for the info! Your videos have been incredibly informative
No problem, thank you! ✌
How close is your business to Corpus Christi, Tx.
I am in Massachusetts, so not very close....LOL ✌
Went to the stone yard today and not sure if they sold me the right stuff. Its a small angular down to dust. I don't want it to hold water or settle to a lower height of the garage concrete I'm leveling to.
It might be stone dust…. How big are the actual stone pieces? Stone dust is usually 1/4 or less with the dust still in it. Not sure what to say…. If it seems really dusty, it probably isn’t very permeable and may shift easier. But hard to tell without seeing it…
@@TheChristianHardscaper thank you for your help. It does seem to drain well as I did a Shadowbox kind of thing for a test. Of course it settled about 3/8 inch. I called them up and asked for concrete sand but she says everybody calls it different they have what they call manufactured, masonry and natural. They sold me what they call screening. Want to make sure I do it right. I really don't want to pull up 3,000 bricks. LOL
I hear you on not wanting to pull them up.... lol. If it seems to compact a lot with water, you should compact it before screeding. You can do that by spreading out the material inside the screed pipes slightly higher than the desired height, then use a tamper or compactor to tighten the material up. Then you can screed it, that way you pre compacted the material and will have much less possibility for any sunken areas.
@@TheChristianHardscaper excellent. That's what I thought. I just haven't seen anybody else do that on youtube. Sounds like the preferred material is something with at least a little bit of sediment in it to help pack? Especially being a driveway
@@kranerwheatens Driveways are definitely different than patios. Compaction is key. But also keep in mind that if you use a clear stone for your base and use a stone dust for bedding material, the dust and fines can easily migrate into the base stone....
The most important thing about my backfill technique is that there is no dust or fines in either the base material or the bedding material. This allows water to travel freely through, unlike dense grade, sand and stone dust..... If you are using sand or stone dust for a bedding material over open grade (clear) stone, you will need to lay fabric over the stone before installing the sand / stone dust. Otherwise, all that material will migrate into the open gaps that the clear stone naturally has.
My bedding stone has next to no dust in it. So my base stone and bedding stone is clear of all dust and fines. Then the geotextile fabric I use under the base rock keeps the soil from migrating into the stone.
Great work. So I’m in the process of installing modern style slabs so there will be openings between slabs of several inches. Sand will not be an option as it’ll wash away. Was planning on putting 1/4” limestone on fabric, then paver bases before laying pavers spaced out. I’m in NY so susceptible to freezing/thawing. People tell me to use sand under bases. What do you suggest???
I always use 3/8" crushed / 1/4" crushed, clean stone for my bedding material. I would use it in between the slabs as well. I stopped using sand over 4 years ago. I have a couple videos on my base method as well as a better video about screeding this stone.
Here is a video on my backfilled method👉ruclips.net/video/PdwAeN6BfWQ/видео.html
Here is a video on screeding for a patio (more in depth than this one)👉ruclips.net/video/Y5l7xLCZeyk/видео.html
What is that black stuff on the top?
If you are talking about the bedding stone that I am leveling off, it is 3/8 inch or less clean, crushed bluestone.
Great work!!
Thank you! 👍
Good Job! Just wondering why you lay the black builder film under the crushed rock? Is it permable material?
Thanks, it is called “ Geotextile stabilization fabric “ it’s made of woven plastic and it is permeable. The most important thing in my opinion. It really helps stabilize the base as well as prevent the subsoil from mixing in with the crushed rock. ✌🏻
I notice you use only chipstone under the pavers. Is blue pea stone fine to use under the pavers?
I use 1-1.5 inches of chip stone under the pavers and 6-8 inches of 3/4 clean crushed stone under the chip stone. But yes, if you can’t find the crushed chip stone, pea stone is a fine alternative. ✌🏻
You don't have to pack it down with with a tamper?
Only the base material, check out the video before this one in the playlist that it is in.
So you didn't take out the gravels but put the sand on top of it?
This method uses only clean, crushed stone for the base and the bedding material. Sand / stone dust is not good for the bedding material under pavers in freeze/thaw climates. This is an better and longer lasting method that is becoming more and more popular in the hardscape industry. it is called (Open Grade Base). Here is a link to a video that explains it in more detail 👉ruclips.net/video/ChaJe3JqD6I/видео.html
How would you screed the base for a 60 foot curved walkway that is 4 feet wide. The beginning and end points are out of sight of each other. When I originally did it I secured wooden strips to rebar pounded into the earth outside the base area. That way I could curve the wood to follow the cured path of the walk way. The plastic brick edging that I use has spread with the ice and now the spaces have really opened up between the bricks.
On long stretches, I use a string line to find the elevation change. Once I find that, I set my pipes to the string line (a pavers height below it. You can set the pipes at different angles to match the curve of your walkway. I would also recommend pitching the walkway sideways to make sure no water sits on it. And that damn plastic edging always fails… use concrete on the edge.
@@TheChristianHardscaper thank you for your answer. Can you tell me how you would do the concrete brick edging? I thought of doing that but I worried that freezing would crack and lift the concrete. Would you dig a trench and put a base of gravel and then pour the concrete on top of that? Would you lay rebar to reinforce the concrete?
I would definitely recommend using concrete. If you want to add rebar, it would certainly help with its strength. When excavating the walkway, you should be at least 6 inches further than where the edge of the pavers will be on each side. That being said, you will want to make a small trench outside the paver edge and slope the concrete towards 1 inch below the top of the paver.
In my area a lot of contractors use a mix of 3/4 stone and stone dust as a paver base and then a sand screed layer. Is that base still permeable? Is straight 3/4 stone preferred over this type of base? I was also wondering about compaction, I noticed you don’t pack the subsoil or rock. Could that cause a problem in settlement?
Prior to 3 years ago, that is how I installed pavers as well. We called that material "Dense Grade" and used "Mason Sand" for our bedding sand. We switched to this permeable "Open Grade" base technique for every install since. There are so many Pro's to this method than there is Con's... The most important thing is that 3/4 inch clean stone is proven to be 98% compacted once raked out.... I have a few videos on my channel talking about it and showing why, Check them out!
This guy is a novice at best. ALL pavers require the substrate to be compacted.
If you did that where I live in Canada it wouldn't last a year especially without compacting the sub base
@@TwistysGunShow The sub base was compacted, you would need to go check out my backfill video of this project ✌
Here is a link to that video, if you are interested...👉ruclips.net/video/NmCwCQvAnF0/видео.html
@@markadler8968 The sub base was compacted, you would need to go check out my backfill video of this project ✌
Here is a link to that video, if you are interested...👉ruclips.net/video/NmCwCQvAnF0/видео.html
I really want to learn this trade. Stone work has always intrigued me. How would one start?
It’s an awesome trade man, very fulfilling. And as far as starting, it’s just like anything else… you just got to send it. If you really want to learn, do everything you can to get a job in the field, then learn everything you can. Knowing this work will always keep money in your pocket 👍🏻
Get youself a hamerr
I learned stonework by just getting a job at a landscape company
That’s the best 1st step brother 👍🏻
Are you compacting that 1/4” chip stone?
Nope, you don’t have to compact the chip stone. You compact the pavers into the chip stone after ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper thanks for the quick reply. As few more questions: are you using a plate compactor on the pavers? Are you compacting them after or before the concrete edging? Finishing off with sand? Thanks for the channel videos!
You can do it either way. Plate compactor or hand tamper. If you use a plate compactor, you should use a pad so it doesn't crack any pavers. And the best way to do it is concrete and polymeric sand at the same time. After you spread the concrete, do the sand. That way you can fix any concrete that may shift. With that being said, I have done poly sand after concrete many times, sometimes you just have to...
Beautiful!
Thank you!
Excellent 👍🙏
Thanks!
Is there any reason someone would use 2.5 feet thick of screed and another half foot of gravel under patio stones. this was a very large area surrounding most of the backyard around a large house. (Just digging the area out would be grueling because there is no way to get a machine back there.) I don't do patio stones to often but I thought it was pretty crazy. Maybe some kind of drainage reason?
That seems like a pretty crazy base.... sometimes people use what they have or what cost the cheapest. Not sure why in your situation, but if you get down 1-12 inches and you are on a decent sub grade, just compact, lay stabilization fabric and backfill with the 3/4 inch clean crushed stone to your desired height. ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper at what slope would you lay down Geo grid on the crushed stone? I have a slight decline and bc of the tree roots I cannot install railroad ties for a retaining wall
You can lay it at any slope necessary really. It will help stabilize the base in your situation but if there is a significant grade change, some kind of retaining wall is recommended ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper thanks for your reply! I have a sloped area where I keep livestock that mulch gets washed away with heavy rains. Thanks
Do you think 1/4 clean stone is also good in artic weather were frost moves objects? In finland everybody still uses stonedust or sand. Im thinking to use that clean one! So many videos seen now about this! Thank you!
Yes, I absolutely do. I operate in Massachusetts where there is many freeze / thaw cycles during the winter and that is where this method works the best. Here is a link to another video I made that explains my base prep method in much more detail 👉ruclips.net/video/ChaJe3JqD6I/видео.html
@@TheChristianHardscaper great! Doesnit have to be water washed or is filtered clean stone good enough?
@@TheChristianHardscaper and another questing. Or yards soil has been changed to the base rock and then filled mostly with clean stone and someplaces with 0-1,2 inch stone with dust. Do I still need plastic underneath?
Didn't see you compact that base with the plate compactor.??
There is 3 or 4 videos before this one in this playlist, I did all the prep and compacting in those videos. ✌🏻
Great Video ! What is that black plastic that you used under the 3/4 stone?
Thank you, it is a plastic geotextile stabilization fabric which is also permeable so that water can drain into the sub soil. ✌
Looks like great work. I'm about to lay the sand bedding for my patio. Question--should the sand and/or the base be dry for the screeding process?
Thanks, the sand does not need to be completely dry
@@TheChristianHardscaper thanks
Good info! I have a bunch of brock paver panels for a super small patio (60Sq ft). I figure I'll tamp the mulch/dirt, put an inch of paver sand (because i already bought it) then the pads, with pavers on top. After seeing your video I wish I would have just gone with the 3/8 stone. Any thoughts on those paver panels?
The paver panels are definitely very helpful with stabilization, even on sand. Just make sure the sand is compacted before you screed it. Meaning, spread the sand higher than it needs to be, compact it tight, then screed it. That will make sure the sand is firmly set before you lay the panels. ✌🏻
What is aggregate?
Aggregate is crushed stone. There are many types of stone that gets crushed around the country but the universal word is aggregate. The 3/4 inch crushed stone I use for my base and the 3/8 inch crushed stone I use are different types of stone and sizes but they are both still considered aggregates. Aggregate can be the crushed stone in asphalt or concrete. It can be drainage stone, the stone in gravel road base materials. All the above… Aggregate is just a very broad term for crushed stone.
Nice job boss
Thanks!
Beautiful work, please explain to me what one eighth of a pitch means please. Sheffield UK
1/8 pitch is when the bubble on a level just touches the line on either side. It means 1" pitch for every 8' of length
How deep is your 3/4 inch base
About 6 inches 👍🏻
The top layer is it 1 1/4 or 1/4 aggregate
1/4 inch - 3/8 inch clean, crushed bluestone (any aggregate at this size works, here its bluestone)
Nice work! Would you lay porcelain pavers on this or???
Thanks! I would absolutely lay porcelain pavers on that chip stone. Any flat work really, pavers, natural stone pattern stock or flagstone. ✌🏻
What state are you in? Thanks
Massachusetts - (Worcester County) ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper
Thanks, wish you were in CA. Happy & healthy new year!
Where I am we don’t have that material, would crushed limestone be an acceptable material?
Yes, limestone is fine. Different regions will have different types of aggregate, we have mostly granite and bluestone for crushed aggregate here in Massachusetts. If limestone is what you have, that will do. ✌
How about crushed concrete?
@@nickolilbj I know a lot of people use concrete sand for their bedding material but I dont think it is a very good idea for pavers or natural stone. The dust particles in it restrict water flow. The clean, crushed stone allows water to drain quicker than any other bedding material. But as I said in this video, if you cant find it or a comparable crushed pea stone, mason sand is the next best alternative. However if you use open grade base, you will need a layer of fabric installed over the stone before the sand so that it does not migrate.
good info thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Where are you guys located? Great work
Thank you, we work out of south central Massachusetts. ✌🏻
Is this compacted enough to drive a car on once flags are down?
I would backfill and screed with the same materials but in a little different way to make sure it is strong enough for vehicle traffic. Like excavate deeper, add geogrid to the base stone and compact with a heavy reversible compactor. But basically the same concept...✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thank you.
I am in the Pacific Northwest and our local source for gravel products only offer Seal Rock (granite) that is free of dust and is small angular pieces. Would this be considered HPB?
If the stone is considered 3/8 of inch or less, then yes. It is all about the size of the stone. The base stone we use is 3/4 of an inch or less. Then we top it with the HPB ( 3/8 of an inch or less clean (free of dust), crushed (angular) stone) and granite is one of the strongest types of stone, so that's a plus!
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thank you so much!
How far apart are the pipes set, 4 feet? 1/8 pitch is the edge of the bubble just touching the line?
The pipes are a little over 5 ft apart in this video but you can set them as far apart as you can with what you are screeding with. And yes, an 1/8 pitch is when the bubble just touches the line✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper 1/8 pitch means 1/8" per foot?
correct, about 1 inch every 8 feet.
Do you use a plate compactor?
Yes I do, just not at this stage of the process. ✌
What’s the best way to prepare my patio for above ground hot tub? Slab?
Yes, we will pour a concrete slab just a touch bigger than the size of the hot tub. Then we lay our pavers around it but at the same height. The slab should only have to be 4-5 inches thick as long as you put some steel reinforcement in it. Once the hot tub is installed, you will only see the outer edge. ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thanks!
How deep is the 3/4 inch gravel? Thanks!! Love your videos!
There’s about 10 inches of 3/4 under the chip stone, glad you like the videos! ✌🏻
Good video. Any one every tell you look like Ben Affleck
Thank you. I have heard it a few times on hear. Never really noticed it until I got the comments though... LOL ✌
I am a subscriber to your channel and love your knowledge and content. But I have a few questions.
I live in south east Michigan where the temps hit the high 90°s + and as low as -20° in the winter.
My property soil is sandy, do you still recommend using 3/4” clean crushed stone and 3/8” chip stone for the base materials?
Do you also recommend using a weed barrier?
I’m getting ready to lay 2 sidewalks 42” wide x 25 feet long and a 12x14 patio using natural granite cobblestone.
Thanks for your support! This technique works the best with sandy subsoils. Definitely use plastic geotextile stabilization fabric. I live and work in Massachusetts which has multiple freeze / thaw cycles in the winter and that is why i use this technique in the first place. Check out this backfilling video to understand it more 👉ruclips.net/video/fDe3tMZQY5o/видео.html
Good luck with the projects, I love granite walks and patios!
@@TheChristianHardscaper thank you for the response
No Problem ✌
Would you recommend the same base for Artificial Turf? if not, what?
Yes, you could certainly use this for artificial turf.
Do you compact the 3/4 base stone or the 1/4 clean stone?
We compact the base stone but not the bedding stone. check out this video for more info on how we backfill ruclips.net/video/fDe3tMZQY5o/видео.html
@@TheChristianHardscaper how come everyone is moving from sand to the 1/4” bedding stone for the 1” layer above the base layer?
It is more sturdy, less likely to wash out, and water freely flows through it making it less likely to heave during the winter months.
Amazing work! I wish i could hire you. I cannot find the 1/4” stone. We have either screenings OR 3/8” chip. Will those work? If so, which one?
Thank you! The 3/8 chip will be the most comparable ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper Awesome thanks!
It's called HPB. High Performance Base. Ask for that.
good video
Thanks! ✌🏻
Hi. Big fan here :)…I’m considering #78 wash stone for screeding. How do you feel about that? 3/4” base, and #78 wash stone on top. Thanks!
Sweet! The #78 washed stone should work great, Good luck with your project!
Thanks man!
I’m no expert, but I was expecting a compactor to be used at some point. Is this only needed for a driveway where higher loads apply?
Correct, with Open Grade Base, you only need to compact the first base layer when it is a foot traffic only application. Check out the backfilling video before this one where I explain it 👉ruclips.net/video/NmCwCQvAnF0/видео.html ✌
Have you used this substrate for artificial grass? Everything I’ve seen is compacted, but I think this would be better for drainage.
I would definitely recommend it for artificial grass. Any kind of flat work really. If you are worried about compaction, you can certainly compact it. It will only help ✌🏻
does it hold water because the woven geo fabric?
do you use geo grid?
No, the fabric is completely permeable, water travels right through it and keeps the soil separated from the stone base we install. I use Geo grid in walls but not in the base for pavers
Hi! Thank you for the detailed video. Would you be able to share where I can purchase the second bedding layer 1/4 crushed stone aggregate? I’m from the greater Boston area so any recommendations would be helpful for my DIY project for my first home.
Glad you liked it! The only supplier of this particular stone that I know of in Massachusetts is “Landscape Depot” they have multiple locations. Not sure exactly where you are but they have a location in Framingham Ma. A comparable product would be ( 3/8 inch crushed pea stone ) a little bigger than this chip stone but it will get the job done 👍🏻
Pavestone bagged pavesand from Home Depot consists of this type of base.
@@TheChristianHardscaper I'm not sure where y'all are at but in the Carolinas we can go straight to the nearest rock quarry and get what you need pretty cheap . Used to drive my pickup right up to the pile and the Loader man would fill it up . Hopefully you guys can do that as well , it'll save you some bucks for sure.
Sub'd and 👍 man thanks
Thanks!
Hi! Does that work for flagstone?
It certainly does, works awesome for natural stone! ✌🏻
Damn 8' pipe are impossible to find in my area. They only gave 36-48"
That stinks... You should still be able to make it work, just takes more time. As long as it is strong steel, the stronger the screed pipe the better ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper thanks
I thought this was a Good Will Hunting sequel following Ben Afleck
😂👌 LOL, Nice! I get that on here pretty often, never really seen it myself though... ✌
Awesome video about to build my first patio. About how much of each type of rock did you need for this project? I have a similar size. Thank you!
Thank you and congratulations! I hope you have fun. As far as how much material, I would recommend getting a material calculator app on your phone, then all you need to do is give the length x width x depth measurements and it will give you an estimate of how much you need. 👍
most of it will run off , but still is the base sloped as well to take any water that gets through the polysand
The point of the open grade base is for the water to permeate into the sub soils of the ground, that is water all surface water does eventually…
@@TheChristianHardscaper ok i thought that woven geo was not very permiable, do you ever use "non woven "
@@adamleblanc1011 Oh yea, water flows right through it. And as far as non woven, do you mean the regular cloth landscape fabric? if so then yes I have but only when I can't get geotextile fabric.
@@TheChristianHardscaper yeah its a cloth but they make it industrial stength too for roads, walls , material seperations and to still allow alot of water through.
i buy rolls of all 3 products 12 ft wide huge rolls
@@adamleblanc1011 Yea, I certainly don't have anything against it but I think the plastic geotextile fabric stabilizes better than the cloth. But again either one is better than none at all. I absolutely always use fabric on any hardscape install.
Project cost est.?
Great work!!! Looks amazing!!! Thanks for the video.
Thank you, unfortunately I don't know the full cost because I was the sub contractor who installed it but my guess would be around $25,000
@@TheChristianHardscaper thanks for the response
@@TheChristianHardscaper So what did you charge the contractor trying to figure out his profit margin
@@rizzotto139 I charge per hour and like I said, not sure exactly what he charged or made. So any profit margin calculations will be far off I'm sure... And the pricing varies so much on every job because all of the different aspects of them.
Do you compact the 1/4"?
No, just screed it smooth and start laying pavers right on it ✌🏻
No
ALL paver substrates need to be compacted prior to pavers being laid. This guy is an amateur at best.
A better way to screed is using screed hooks with steel pin’s like concrete people use for concrete flatwork
Must be nice to have skills...
Skills are usually developed from the motivation to gain them. You have to work hard at something that you want to do, I have been doing this for awhile now. Gained the skills little by little throughout my career. ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper yes, that is the only way.
I still can’t find either 3/4’’ clear crushed and 1/4 chip either. Everything they have here has tons of fines.
Damn, that stinks... I hear that from a few people on here. I can't believe it honestly. They are very common materials around here. The 1/4 however can be tough to find. I have used 3/8" chip dozens of times because I could not find the 1/4. Good luck with your search ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper I Santes to ask you. I’m doing my own landscaping because we can’t afford to hire anyone. I’m kind of at a stuck point though. I was curious if I could brainstorm with you a bit about how I can do some of the stuff I’m thinking about doing.
@@TheChristianHardscaperI can’t find 1/4” crushed stone. But I found 1/2” . Will that work okay?
Where you located?
Massachusetts
well that's obvious 🙄
Had me at Christian.
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