How Scientology Almost K*lled His Elderly Mother
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Raised by Scientology and forced into the Sea Org and labor intensive youth camps, Mike Brown didn’t have a choice but to be indoctrinated and used by the organization. After he managed to escape, leaving behind his mother and wife, years later he learned of the extreme elder ab*se that was happening. Determined to save his mother who was quickly being worked to death, he devised a plan to break her out and nurse her back to health before it was too late.
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Chapter Markers
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:35 How Mike Brown and his family got involved in Scientology
00:07:38 What it was like for Mike in his youth having auditing sessions
00:11:41 E meters, past lives, and powers
00:15:08 Mike being told at 7 years old that he has super powers
00:18:18 Mike's mother joined the Sea Org and Mike runs around LA
00:21:13 At 13 Mike gets moved to a ranch to be used as work force
00:27:51 How the topic of s*x was treated for teens in Scientology
00:31:33 The pun*ishments for crossing the line
00:33:05 When Mike decides to leave at 15
00:36:08 Mike gets married at 18 - the problems he faced
00:43:06 Mike and his wife were encouraged to get an ab*rtion
00:49:14 David Miscavige blows up on Mike's wife, Mike ultimately leaves
00:53:24 Mike is reunited with his father after he leaves Scientology
00:57:02 Mike thinks his mother is being well taken care of
01:00:08 How Mike realized his mother wasn't safe
01:08:01 How Mike's mother is doing now (and what happened to her)
01:15:19 Scientology vs. Mormonism
01:24:49 How Mike is doing now
01:25:57 Linda, listen
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Thank you for interviewing Mike Brown. Rosemary’s story is so important and there are still many elderly people living the life she escaped.
Mike Brown is a board member on the SPTV Foundation that help people escaping Scientology.
Yes I agreed there so many don't know
Yes it is he is a brave man to speak out. I have been fascinating by all of this. Mike Rinder is an incvredible human being and his story is nuts
When he said "being abused made being in the army easy" the quiet part about the military got REALLY loud
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Well, actually there was more context than that. He said that the mental aspects of military life, at his young age, when he joined, was "less" than what he had endured at the Sea Org, but the physical aspects of military life were 'far more'. It was the physical aspect that he had to adjust to while being in the military, which was an aspect of the Sea Org, having had to do physical labor at an early age, that was the struggle, not the abusive mental aspect. Let's not take his words out of context.
I was just thinking that! The US Army would be so much easier than this.
@@rufusroher I have seen that. SeaOrg is insane and detrimental. I mean going to the Army would be the next best option. Could you imagine the army being a vacation. I think the reason why this man is so well adjusted because he ended up in military!
@@katiempojer Not everyone you meet has a bad experience with the military. Where I work, I'm the only female out of 56 employees that work maintenance for a civil aviation company that contracts with the military. 85% of the employees are either reserve or former military. There are some who came to the USA from places like El Salvador etc. What the military gave them, in terms of GI Bill, education, insurance, pay, housing etc far exceeded anything they could have gotten where they lived. They get out after doing their service and are making 6 figure incomes and where their wives can stay at home with the kids, if they want. Majority of them will tell you that the trade off, tough physical demands, and rigorous training were well worth the end result. I think that Mike Brown feels like the men I work with, in that they feel more positive about their military experiences, than the other way, that it was just as abusive as the Sea Org.
The more I learn about Scientology, the more disgusted I am! Let's hope that political power finally wakes up!
Mike Brown shares about how he was a victim but he has also taken accountability in his convos with LaraFM. Claire Headley and Mike Rinder share how they were victims and how they help victims but never mention how they have victims that are still having nightmares about them. They were TOP EXECUTIVES and many abuses happened while they were at the very close to the very top not only against other adults but elderly and minor abuse including SA. Acknowledging victims rights includes looking at privilege it is possible to be abused by a system and be an abuser in that same system, meaning while you were a victim you also caused harm.
After me and my step sisters had just escaped a a cult in the northern states, we had gotten to Tampa to find some peace. And when we were headed to Clearwater Beach we were taking a side by this group that wanted to take us in and help us said they were going to help the homeless. Having just come out of a cult my oldest stepsister realized what they were and gave them an earful. She said to them we had just gotten out of a cult and we're not getting involved in another one you guys can just f off right now. It's a good thing we knew the signs of exploitive people. Kind of lucky too
Yes, many people drift from cult to cult to cult, seeking belonging and getting exploited. Good on your stepsister! ❤
@@Ann963 right and we were all just children. But that's just what a cult is looking for.
Construction work as a 13-year-old? Sounds like the FLDS.
I find it fascinating the amount of cults in the u.s..
As someone who grew up in a cultish fundamentalist Christian church, i trust no religious institutions. Love your channel.
Mike is such a smart and special son who did all to rescue his Mom
Clearly a cult and a tax free cult? This needs to stop. I am so sorry no child or adult should go through this!
Thanks Shelise for bringing attention to these stories.
Hope you, hubby & baby are doing well ❤ and enjoying this precious time.
Thanks for your support! Currently doing a middle of the night feeding while checking comments 😁
The whole setup is abusive on a MASSIVE scale. 🤯
Teaching people to be stoic children is horrifying!!!
Yeah it is I find all the people who speak out like Mike Rinder, Leah Remini etc... are incredible
Automatic like for Mr Brown and his mom ❤❤
This was one of my favorite interviews you have done this year. Incredibly happy to hear of a story of an elderly person getting out, showing those people across all ages they still can still leave and seek a better life on the outside.
LARA FM.. ex Scientology baby.. pointed out two- days- ago , the building that Scientology keeps elderly warehoused..
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
I hate abuse in all forms.
I don’t understand how people can be so cruel never have
The trial of Chad and Lori Daybell
Mike Brown is one of the most upstanding men that I've come across lately. They mostly do not do them like him in today's society.
We love Mike Brown ❤❤❤
My baby is 21 years old. He is still and always will be my baby. He is a man, and to the rest of the world, that's fine, but if he is hurt, lonely, sad, or in need, he is my baby.
My son is 39 years old today and he’s still my baby
That is absolutely beautiful. I am 32 and I am so lucky to have that type of relationship with my mom. Tell your mom, or your son, or whomever means the world to you that you love them. ❤
@@catherinepraus8635same...I called my 39 year old son my baby the other day and my mom got mad....He's my baby and always will be
Mike has an amazing emotional intelligence, I'm so happy he got to reunite with his mother and get the closure that so many Scientology children were denied
Happy to see Mike interviewed here. Thanks so much!! Keep talking. Keep raising awareness so the outrage can spread and hopefully soon the authorities will have no choice but to actually do their jobs. Religious volunteerism should not be allowed to exist as a cover for elder & child abuse and for financial fraud.
A scary thing, in 1986 my public school Language Arts class had Dianetics as required reading. I don't remember much of it, but I remember I thought it was nits. I refused to read it.
Your teacher was a Scientolgist . I had Veterinarian when I was doing my externship that was one and he ran his business accordingly.
I am a subscriber of Mike’s and I know his and his Mom’s challenges. He is an amazing person and I am so happy you are sharing his and his Mom’s story!
Ive been following Mike since he started speaking out & I never cease to be appalled at how disgustingly abusive this organization was to Rosemary and her other elderly peers! I've been jumping down the scientology rabbit hole for a while now, so I knew about the child abuse, and to some extent the financial abuse, but I never expected to hear how they work everyone til their last breath & then financially exploit them this way. Rosemary is such a sweet lady & I’m so happy she had the chance to meet & form relationships with her grandkids & reunite with her son!
I can't believe that they A) have tax exemption and B) how on Earth the IRS tax status gives a get out of jail free card. It's supposed to make a church tax exempt not Criminal Charge Exempt!
Omg looove that you have Mike Brown on! He is such a good person!
Thank you so much Shelise and Mike 🙏🏽 This was such a powerful and moving interview. From the children to the elderly, no one deserves the disgusting treatment. Thank you for all you do and for helping to fight other cults and high control groups. Natalie Webster is also an amazing person and creator here on YT and she escaped COS with 3 generations of her family. I would love to see you have an interview with her if possible 🙏🏽💖
Mike Brown... thank you for reaching out to other platforms to get the story out
Mike Brown is such a a wonderful person and his mom is a gem. I've been following Mike's story for several months
It's so hard to leave. Thank you for strength Mike Brown. Scientology really does kill people. Glad you're out!
It is truly amazing that at her age Rosemary Chikwak remembers so much!
She remembers everything
Linda listen!!!
Get out of Scientology!! NOW!!!
I love this! I thought of that little boy saying it in my head!!😂😂
Mike and his mom's stories prove it is never too late to escape a damaging situation ✨
Mike, your voice is always so poignant, powerful and important to bringing COS’s crimes into the light! End Scientology’s Tax exempt status!!!!
Such an important story to tell and expose Scientology. Much love to Rosemary and Mike Brown.
Thanks, Elder Abuse is hardly ever exposed!
Thank you for sharing your stories! I have ignorance on this subject. It takes the brave hearts like you and your Mom and Shelise to change the world!
Thank you so much!
Great to see Mike on with you. His telling of Rosemaries story is very important because while the kids were abused, most of those problems have subsided with the closures of facilities.
It’s elder abuse that is rampant today as so many who joined in the 60’s & 70’s as teens or young 20 yr olds are now elderly.
Right now as you watch this video there are many “Rosemaries” stuck in that hell hole called “big blue”.
Where is Tom Cruise, Elizabeth Moss or John Travolta? They call those who question this activity bigots but we all know it’s not a religion.
Reversal of its tax exempt status is the ONLY way to stop the abuse. Contact your representatives.❤
I don't know where you get the idea that "most of those problems have subsided" We're watching children being taken into these places, particularly in Clearwater, but in plenty of other US cities every day,. There's a recent photo of a whole lot of kids with very Russian and Ukraine names proudly holding up certificates showing they have gone through the purif programme. That young Russian woman at the Hollywood boulevard is 18, and she hasn't just started there
Mike seems like an amazing man. I wish him much happiness in life and for his mom too.
Great Shelise for interviewing Mike. Thank you Mike for sharing your story so often. It is such an important story to be shared.
Thanks to this story from Mike and Rosemary, I now know where my x husband is. I divorced after leaving without him 17 years ago. I left him there ‘for the greater good’.
Of course I have wondered about his wellbeing. He is in one of the nearby houses purchased for aging seniors creating a threat to being on church property. He is only 68, no longer smokes for 22 years, used to bike and run daily when I left. Used to love to sail and hike. So sad he is locked up. Our daughter just had a grandson Thursday - he doesn’t phone her and she can’t visit last she was in LA. Crazy - I have no clue how to help him. His family thinks he’s doing OK because that is what he tells them.
Same as I told my family for 40 years.
I’m happy to be out but it’s impossible to leave loved ones behind ❤
An other friend was also listed - in a room on the base with no windows.
The Aftermath Foundation can’t help till I figure out how to get them to want to leave. I’m well known to be an SP.
Call the local sheriff and ask for a welfare check
@@Geoplanetjane I’m not a family member. I don’t think I can. I will check the rules, thank you 😘
Wow! I had no idea how abusive Scientology was. Thanks for the podcast
Yay! I'm so happy you interviewed Mike Brown. I look forward to watching tonight
This is such an important story. As vital as it is to make sure children are protected, vulnerable adults are equally in need. I'm glad they got out
I was going to ask about doing a Scientology video! This is great
How on earth is this still legal!!!?? They are like the mob
Liked. Shared. Commented. Up the algorithm!
Love Mike Brown, you are an absolute star for sharing your mums story and holding those responsible accountable. You’re conversation with Lara FM was inspiring ❤
One of the things I love most about your channel and the guests you interview is how easily they all shatter the myth that people who find themselves in cults are "weak-minded." You already prove that's not true in your own right, but it just hammers the point home further with every guest. Wonderful interview!
Love this! Thank you
the more i watch these videos, the more i realize how incredibly liberal and progressive my religious upbringing and experience was and still is, and for that i'm grateful. but i also feel terrible for those who weren't so lucky...
I was thrilled to see Mike Brown on today!! Thank you both for bringing all of the darkness into the light. I love both of your channels.❤️
Mike is so articulate and relatable about these terrible issues. Thank you both for opening up and telling the truth about your experiences.
I’m so glad you had Mike in. He is a real beacon of light and integrity ❤
Mike, You had absolutely no way of knowing what was happening to your mother. Scientology cut off any means of communication and they controlled all.
I feel so sorry that you and your mom suffered all of that trauma.
It all has worked for hers and your good. You're both free. Who knows how much her health will continue to improve now that she's getting care. She is darling!
Religious lobbies are so strong now. They need to be taxed--cath church and LDS as well because they all have hoarded $. Glad you're working with the FBI. We need to pressure Congress to make the changes necessary to protect the vulnerable from these predators.
Thanks for having and telling a wonderful story. So happy for your mom.
I’m so happy to see this interview! Mike and Rosemary’s story needs to be out there all over. The more exposure the evils of Scientology gets the more those like Rosemary can get help. Thank you both for this.
Mike Brown you and your mom are amazing. I learned so much more about this cult .
You keep hitting out of the park! Mike Browns story is amazing, the fact they made this elderly woman work in basically a prison camp. It is just disgusting. Keep shining that light in the darkness.. #DownWithScientology #KidsCannotConsent #PowerToSurvivors
Mike Brown a real OG who is sincere, genuine, humble.... Just touching on auditing, the children cannot leave the room. The child maybe the auditor or being audited by a stranger and have to look up words they dont understand. All sexual activities are requllarly reported written and recorded. This is the environment for all children in the cult children are "adults in small bodies." Educate and Educate others!
Mike Brown is one of my heros being a x scientologist able to criticize Scientology .As A critic living in Clearwater it stinks not have g
Rights feeilng traped because of s scientology neighbors
I really admire Mike. Thanks for having him on.
Thank you for your military service Mike and your service to humanity making yourself vulnerable in order to help people still emotionally stuck in an abusive situation.
An absolutely brilliant conversation.
💜☮️ Love to Mike and Rosemary ☮️💜
Mike is amazing and very collected when telling his and Rosemary’s story!
❤ thank you for platforming this story it is so important and inspiring.
1:17:04 “There’s a lot of raisins in the poop” absolutely killed me 💀
I am so glad that mikes mother was able to get out. I have always had bad thought about the so called religion. Thanks for sharing your story mike.
I still love the fact that it was a hubbard and a miscavidge that helped mike get rosemary out, the planning that went into her escape by all of them.. including rosemary measuring her belongings so mike knew exactly what was needed to get all her things out quickly is amazing!
I often think of the life rosemary is now able to live, getting to know her granddaughters... and son again, whom she must be SO proud of warms my heart ❤ the thought of her sitting looking out of the window at beautiful flowers (instead of being stuck in a room of bunk beds and the odd view she would have got of the area surrounding big blue) being able to draw and write poetry, watch whatever she likes on tv or RUclips and to eat whatever food she wants must be an amazing thing and shows that it is NEVER too late.
Wishing Mike, Rosemary and everyone else who decides to take this extremely brave step to leave all the very best ❤
I've had major respect for Mike and his mother Rosemary since the first time I heard their story. That respect has only continued to grow. Thank you for the amazing interview, Shalise!
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Mike is a top bloke. Excellent interview thank-you 👏 ❤.
I just have so much love and respect for you Mike!! You are someone to look up to. I know you might now believe it but you are. Your beautiful mother too. Rosemary is a true hero as are you!!
Been missing Mike Brown!! So glad you have him here!
Great interview! So glad you and your mom got out, Mike. Appreciate both of your voices in this fight against Scientology.
I love hearing Mike share that he fulfilled his dream after leaving!
Such an amazing interview!! Mike Brown and Rosemary are such inspirations! ♥️♥️🌹🌹
This is such an important story. Mike I have all the respect in the world for you and your beautiful mama. Glad to see you back on you tube.
I watched the entire thing, so powerful! Thank you for sharing and so happy for you and your mother. 🕊️
Mike is always easy to listen to. Abuse of any kind to anyone is not ok but to prey on children and the elderly is pure Evil ! If you see something DO something please
Love that you got to interview Mike! He’s fantastic and is story is so compelling
I love Mike Brown. He is so eloquent. And to think he thought he wasn’t educated enough. What a voice he is.
Thank you Mike for sharing your story and thank you Rosemary for allowing your story to be shared for the sake of humanity. Scientology is in no way shape or form a religion and it is appalling that it is treated as such by the government and receives religious tax exemption. The abuse of their most vulnerable members is awful and needs to be exposed for the world to see in order for it to stop. Thank you Shelise and Jonathan for providing a platform for these crucial stories to be shared ❤
I don’t know if it helps, but in Germany it isn’t recognized as a religion. There is no extra protection for the org, but that also means you can legally discriminate against members, like refuse them for jobs …
The best linda listen EVER!!!!
Great video. Love Mike and the way he explains the story.
Nice Shelise. Glad you interviewed Mike
.Mike , I wish all the best to you, your family and your Mum❤
Excellent episode exposing the cult of Scientology. Thank you!
Thank you for your story of courage and heart, Mike. You create hope for people struggling with difficult things.
Wow! We have to shut COS down. Despicable
Another amazing interview between 2 amazing people.
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The e-meter measures your electrical resistance.
All this madness is new to me. That is why I can’t stop bee so so painfully surprised 😢
That's reLIEgions separating dividing splintering..
I learned so much about the horrific elder abuse that occurs in Scientology from this. Thank you Mike and Shelise! I'm so glad your mom is able to live life on her terms now ❤
I cannot avoid crying
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Thank you for this vid. Rosemary's truth, Mike's truth is powerful ❤
SPTV FOUNDATION is also another organization to help people leave ❤ I noticed it wasn't listed in the video description.
Love what you’re doing!!! So many awesome ex Scientologist speaking out. Lara fm, serge Del Mar etc both would be awesome interviews!
Serge is coming next!
@@CultstoConsciousnessI'll subscribe don't want miss Serge. Would you consider Mirriam Francis?
It is a very interesting story.
Thank you Mike Brown for having the strength to get this story out. Keeping your eye on what is important.
I have heard his and his mother's story.
I am going to listen to it again. It is that powerful. I highly suggest listening to it.😮
I am so happy for your Mom & thank God she didn't end up back with the scientoligist. ❤
This turned out to be such an uplifting story! Thank you Mike Brown! I will be checking out your channel!
Thank you Mike for sharing your story. What an amazing man you are