I Married a Yoga Guru Con Man
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Harvard graduate Joelle Tamraz, was young, enthusiastic and a perfect target for a fake yoga guru. Seeking enlightenment, purpose and peace, she came across a man who swept her off her feet and used spiritual manipulation to eventually exploit her and her family out of thousands of dollars. He told wild stories of channelling and inhabiting someone else’s body to justify cheating right in front of her face. Find out how after 18 years, despite having built a yoga studio together, she was able to see through it all and escape his clutches.
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00:00:00 Intro
00:03:37 Meeting the Arun right after graduating from Harvard
00:05:22 Yogic Flying, explained
00:09:28 What it was like meeting this "Guru" and falling under his spell
00:20:46 How Joelle was groomed by Arun
00:21:48 Why Arun focused in on Joelle
00:25:41 The long con in Arun trying to create a harem
00:27:18 Joelle married Arun not knowing about his criminal record
00:30:45 Joelle's mom gets targeted too
00:33:04 Love-bombed and manipulated
00:36:06 Arun pit Joelle against her parents
00:42:12 Arun's manipulation tactics
00:48:47 Arun explains why original yoga practices were for men
00:51:03 Arun claimed to be 180 years old, now in a new body, and married with 5 kids
00:57:05 Arun sealed Joelle to him
01:02:16 Arun would "channel" spirits
01:04:52 Arun starts heavy drinking to "save the life" of Joelle's father
01:13:00 Arun declared he would never work again (and live off of Joelle)
01:14:47 How Arun was using "channeling" to manipulate Joelle and others
01:20:11 Joelle regains her power
01:24:25 Joelle realizing she had been conned for 18 years
01:29:52 What happened to Arun?
01:33:57 How Joelle is doing now
01:35:59 Linda, listen
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am Indian and we are very aware of fake gurus. We don’t trust them very easily. These people prey on your vulnerabilities so don’t reveal much about yourself to anyone first. Be mysterious.
Some of those gurus were praised as gods in Eu. Now this practice is called new age. It is a whole new world of manipulation.. on many levels.
Sometimes it's good to make people think you are sick and poor. Being misterious usually attracts people.
@@lawyer1961 it doesn't matter if a fake guru likes you. It's like a doctor or other professionals, you just need to talk about a phew true facts with them. It's not about "looking"mysterious or any other way, just not going out of context when you are getting to know a guru.
exactly!!
@@guillermolledowolkowicz7085 "Gurus" will never approach me. I scare them.
Cults exist in all forms, including corporations, health practices,political systems and religions.
Health care systems, institutions, facilities.
Political parties, too.
💯
Cult-ure
And education systems
Yoga cults are SO HOT RIGHT NOW! Spreading awareness is so key!
Yoga! It's clean simple bodily exercise along with breath regulation. The 'Darker Side of Yoga'...is such a misleading phrase.
Predators come in all areas of our lives. Call out the perpetrator, not something else...
ok but why did I read that like Zoolander 😂😂😂
Where are they so hot?!?
@@MariamMariam-ue7vzit’s not just ‘right now’!
So this kind of foolishness is NOT what most yoga is about. I have been practicing yoga for nearly 30 years and have never encountered anything like that. Tantra is NOT about sex. It's a complex teaching that interweaves many different techniques and practices into one - like a basket of varied materials. Most yoga is not - I repeat NOT cultish.
Always a red flag when they say it’s a secret. They weed out the people that have a vulnerable spot and make them feel special and that they’re the only one.
It’s amazing how gullible we can be.😢🤦🏾♀️
She seems a little extra gullible imo. How on earth did she believe that freak
The need to be loved is so powerful - the devil uses that vulnerability - love yourself.
@@Bachconcertoswell said
yeah but there are useful things you could learn which are secret.
Joelle,
Kudos to your mom, how she stayed connected and hung onto you during this ordeal. So selfless.
I’m very grateful for her presence!
I was also manipulated into financially supporting a much older narcissistic man when I was very young and a lot of this resonated with me and made me feel less alone in my own story
Your not alone 😭
I’m sorry to hear you went through something similar. 😢 You are not alone!
Joelle, you are adorable! Delightfully expressive with a natural, relaxed persona in front of the camera. I’m glad you were able to extricate yourself. Your story is wild!! Mine is similar, so it takes one to know one😰 Many blessings✨🙏✨
that is so scary... my God :(
@@joaniefalconer9661 Thank you so much for your kind words and good wishes! I hope you got out of your own situation and regained your freedom. 🙏🏼💫
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
😅
I was watching a show last night about the continuation of the Moonies last night add this comment popped into my mind
@@greendragon4058Yep , absolutely right .
Hear hear.
Hear hear
Writing this from Rishikesh, living here since 14 years.
This is very real and a warning story about so called self proclaimed gurus, yoga babas. It happens so often, also on lesser large scale. Young western women in search of the mystical, spiritual experiences are actually a bait and in vulnerable positions and it takes years to get them to wake up from it.
Yes absolutely, these young women are vulnerable, thousands of miles away from their family and friends and these fake gurus hone in on them.
20 years ago we didn't know about predators and Narcisist. Never put someone above you!
Maybe you didn't, but I learned all about them in 1970s..
Information about malignant narcissism and how prevalent it is in society was not widely distributed in our culture 20 - 30 years ago so you're on point about this.
Completely agree.
I disagree. I'm 40 and my dad is now 65 and I grew up with him explaining narcissism and common sense a lot. A lot of this is just common sense.
Nice advice 🎉
“Don’t give your life away to someone dedicated to rejecting you, to get their way.”
♥
My ex-husband and I were in TM transcendental meditation. We lived in Germany in the 1970s, and my ex-husband was part of the 3 stage flying program. It wasn't anything more than sitting yogi style and use knees to push as you hop. Nobody in the program had ever seen anyone go beyond the first stage. It seemed exciting as the time, but it's actually total nonsense.
It isnt, you just are that driven by the ego is all.
To release that which you think is and think you are, is a phenomenal power. But it means the programming of the ego will be seen for what it is and most people are addicted to that Which is false and allows them to be a victim.
It is interesting to me that most people who say they do TM, still are very much actively in the limited false self as their identity.
Yoga is demonic..Do the research it is..good luck
@@CaptainAMAZINGGG😂 listen, yoga is a great practice, but nobody’s physically flying off the mat. Perhaps we can agree that it’s more of an emotional/ spiritual flight
@@CaptainAMAZINGGG sorry, you're the one that's consumed, deluded and programmed by ego. One can see that by simply noticing your ridiculous RUclips handle. 🤣 no need to keep talking because you're just going to keep looking like a 🤡
I dont think that is correct. @@scarletsletter4466
Narcissists don't care when you end it with them. They will find someone else to suck the energy out of.
Dont just throw your thought/ guesses out as facts. Fact is a most narci HATE beeing left and doesnt just let you leave, their "ego' cant handle it." THEY ARE THE OONEC WHO LEAVE, Not THE ones beeing left. They need to feel in controll ,over the rship and over you eventually they will Find someoneelse yes but the getting away is HARD
@@af2876For 15 years I couldn’t leave my ex. He used everything possible for this. And only the last time, when I went abroad, I was able to end this relationship. You are right, leaving a narcissist is very difficult for a vulnerable woman.
You are right, the narcissist drains energy. He does this to all women. But the narcissist cannot stand it when they leave HIM. Only he can. And often he keeps all his women on a short leash, at hand, so to speak.
Always.
and what do you call a narcissist physopath who you never even dated or had a relationship with but who stalked you for over a decade and is a complete psycho, creep and weirdo who just wont stop stalking or watching you. some humans(if you can call them that) in this world are absolutely strange and totally weird. you cant make it up.
It never ceases to amaze me how manipulative and coniving some people are 😢
Antisocial Personality Dissorder
Sadly, it's easy when you have very low self-esteem and self-worth.
Or how minpulated some people can be
It also amazes me how easily people are manipulated and could be convinced of anything.
Yeah but for 18 years... cmon.
This girl is "special"
“past life marriage” is said by so many scoundrels
Chad daybell
Joined a neo-Hindu cult when I was 18. Legally changed my name, moved over 5,000 miles away from my family, the list goes on and on and on. The stories I could tell. After ten years there, I had a brutal departure. Been out for 7 years and it’s been rough ngl.
Sorry to hear about your experience but good to hear you escaped. Take care of yourself.
Oh, I did similar but didn't legally change my name
@__seeker__ Have you shared about your experiences anywhere?
Oh my I'm so happy that you speak on this topic, if anyone understands Spanish I recommend look for ley antisectas is a Argentinian survivor from a yoga cult and spread awernes about coersion groups (sorry for the brocken English)
You're English is very good.
"I'm so happy you are speaking on this topic. I recommend looking for the "Ley Antisectas"; it is an Argentinian survivor from a yoga cult and spreads awareness about coercion groups. (Sorry for the broken English.)"
Is the gist of what you were saying Phonetic spelling stinks in English and you have done a good job. English isn't a language you learn so much as you memorize the differences.
The name of the guy who is trying to get that law approved is Pablo Salum, right?
Daianarutolo it is
@@daianarutolo3068 yes exactly him
@@katydid5088❤yep
What stuck with me is that she felt uncomfortable when she first met him but instead of listening to her intuition, she went with her mind. Listening to her body would have saved her so much trouble.
Or the fact she knew he was a convicted pedo and stayed talking to him for 19 more years
To the contrary, women can't use a rational mind and always go with the feelings. Just try to explain to a woman that the "unequal pay" is bs and see how much logic and reasoning a woman can handle. If a woman feeling is "bad" its never her fault but someone else.
@@barbiegirll7299didn't he convince her he was framed?
but it was what her spirit wanted, who knows where this will lead. suffering in the past is useful just not very fun. x
God communicates to us 1st through feelings, if that fails... through thoughts... if that fails, you may hear or see it. If all of that fails, then you are on your own.
Her experience makes me think of mine. I was drawn in by a false guru too in a moment of weakness. I was super lucky to succeed in getting away in only a couple of months but physical, emotional, sexual and financial abuse had been done in those few months. They know how to reel in people when they are at their lowest. Good for her that she finally opened her eyes. 💖💖💖
A friend of mine opened yoga studios and competed. She's great, but she was disappointed at meeting some of her heros.
Never meet your hero’s unless you are prepared to be disappointed
Competed??
@@binathere2574 Yes, yoga competitions.
This shows that you can be very intelligent, well educated, etc. and still get sucked in by a skilled manipulator. It doesn’t matter what religion, there are wolves in sheeps’ clothing. I like that she was able to look back and see how step by step she was taught to accept incredible (as in not credible) things and doubt her own thinking. Great interview!
Yeah, this is just proof that intelligence doesn't mean anything when it comes to social awareness. Just because you've got all the books smarts in the world, you can still be thick as f****** rocks
It’s not so much skilled as it is demonic spirits, so the devils knows everything and has a counterfeit for everything God has.
I don't hear any miraculous supernatural signs or extremely clever and convincing manipulation.
I think she was so hot for this guy that she followed his lead, even when it was obviously a bad idea.
@@canelareina3795 what you’re missing from the story is time. He didn’t start right out with the wackadoo stuff. At the start he was giving her ideas that did help her and did work, and gradually he built her confidence in him and introduced more strange ideas. That’s how it works, and that IS manipulation.
@@lkayh He started out with that story of taking care of the widow of the man whose body he lived in.
I appreciate this interview. What it tells me is that we must NEVER ignore the red flags. NO HUMAN has the capacity to lead us onto the right path. ONLY your inner guidence can help you and guide you to find the light. We still make our own choices (not in all cases) even though we can be HORRIBLY manipulated by others. Don't fall for it!!
There is no light. This is why people fall for so much bullshit. There is no path. Stop complicating things. This is why people will always be conned.
I like yoga. I've practiced yoga at several locations and at home on my own... But I had no idea that yoga as a "Cult" was a thing until a close friend of mine almost got sucked into one right after college. I remember going through the materials she brought home, and I was like, wow, girl, you need to run now! Thankfully, she did!!🙌
Good to hear!
Yes the devil is behind Yoga and all new age practices
Yoga as a practice is not a cult. However, their are people who manipulate the practice, and people who use all means to manipulate others when they are most vulnerable. Sadly, it puts stains on the practice.
@@ChelafemmeI agree. What I don’t like is the spiritual hierarchies and master-student roles presented in the supposedly most authentic forms. People should feel free to take it or leave it, and not feel pressured to do it.
to be fair, the way most of us practice yoga in the West is more like exercise/ or light spirituality, whereas in the East, these high-control groups & ashrams are fairly common. Perhaps it’s because India has a history of hierarchical society & acceptance of “gurus” that we don’t share in the West. Hence we call our yoga places “studios” & the leaders “teachers.”
When I was roughly 12, my foster carer introduced me and my siblings (who were Christian) to messianic Judaism. But they didn't call themselves Jewish, they called themselves Torah Observant Christians. It now has a chokehold on my family, and I only truly escaped the indoctrination last year (aged 19).
Wow! I'm glad you were able to do that. And at only 19 years of age (I'm old 😂 it took me much longer.) Go you! I wish you a wonderful future and I hope the rest of your family wakes up soon.
I only ever heard of them as another mainstream religion, not as something to escape! Thanks for drawing attention, I will look into them more I guess
What kinds if "control" did you notice in your family's experience? Interesting comment.
Did they make you obey all the old testament laws?
This sounds like what that Viking Preparedness guy practices.
You married a narcissist. It didn't matter what he did for work, he chose you because you were vulnerable and wanted to be loved. That's what they do. When you understand the lesson it becomes a blessing. You will stand back up in your power and move forward with strength. ✨✨
Thank you! 🙏🏼 💛
I come from India and I can tell you that Indian gurus are the greatest conmen and American are their easiest targets.
Well south American so called Shamans are up there too !!!
That statement is not true.
Like in everything there will be some bad apples.
I am neither American/Anglo nor Indian but after 44 years studying eastern thought and religions on my own although I never fell for any guru or organization, I can truly say YES to your statement regarding indian " godmen" "perfect masters" and so on. Regarding Americans...they are hopless, so naive and gullible. Can't believe how innocent young Americans were back in my younger years whenever I would meet them frequently ( decades ago....exasperating!)
@@anithaps6502 90% bad apples.
@@HariVishnudeva : Many charlatans and con-artists, are in the USA already buddy.
Westerners only know Christianity. Anything more than that is way too much, for
their vulnerability of Westerners to see through!!
I've met two men (both were married to others, btw) who hinted strongly that they somehow knew/remembered that I was their wife (or soulmate, one of them didn't say wife, but used a Japanese term for soulmate) in a former life - and one of them also said i would be married to him in my next life, so in a way I was his wife, even now (mostly he would just hint and hint, but at one occasion he spoke very directly about the next life). I didn't have an intimate relationship or seggs with any of them (and I really tried not to send flirtatious signals, as they were married), but I was somewhat duped, and emotionally affected, since I was so lonely and vulnerable when I met them (this was 15 years apart). And while I didn't know if I should believe that what they were saying was really the case or not, I thought they really believed it themselves. And a part of me really wanted to believe them, since I was so lonely.
After listening to this I think they were probably just trying to manipulate me
Run!!!! I understand your pull to this, but it's definitely manipulation! Run, fast and far!
@@azilbean Yes, I did! The pull was so ridiculously strong, though, and I am still shocked that I was close to giving in at some moments. What "saved" me was that both those men had young children, and I am not going to ruin the home of some poor child, as I know much too well how that feels (I was three, almost four, when my father cheated on my mother and got a neighbour pregnant and left,. I remember my mother's grief, and my own, it works like a vaccination)
100%
💯 they both were.
I had some guy, who was a friend of my husband's at the time, strongly hint along those same lines. I kept up stronger boundaries because A. I was married B. He was also married and C. It doesn't matter what happened last life, or next life, now is the only relevant time we can choose our responses. Such New Age garbage from someone who thought I was an idiot. I'd been in the New Age biz for decades before he'd even heard the term lol, and it was no surprise many men manipulated the terminology to score with women. And what amuses me is that men say WE are ruled by our hormones...
Men like this have no conscious and learn how to manipulate people. They learn how to read people and how find what makes tick. This can happen to anyone and can be religious, political or just a general belief system. They know how to play the long con to get what they want they want which is money and/or power. I am so glad you two have brought this story and hope you bring forward more of these stories.
But...in the elevator...very early- on.. how did he guess 'rose ' 🌹 and the number seven ????
@@Chuck44442 Calculated guesses. Rose is a very common answer, especially for a city person who doesn’t know a lot of flower names. He may have mentioned the number 7 earlier in the conversation (don’t remember that part), then when he asked me to pick a number from 1-10, I thought 7.
@@elevatingvoices that's incredible. I'm going to try it, lol. As a parlor trick. I know when selling insurance in homes. We'd ask/ really tell wife to go - get glass of water. In a moment, we were going to ask for ' something "..checkbook maybe. And the water, was test close. If u couldn't get her to go- get water, she'd never get check book on demand. I never liked that sneaky stuff. Now, I know a little more ---why.. thxs
@@Chuck44442 I'm sure he did have these powers; he just used them on behalf of his ego instead of his heart
@@the_blue_lotus_portal I'm not sure if he did or didn't as I've never met him in person and he's not here to give his side of the story..
As an indian young adult who does perform yoga and meditate on an everyday basis , yoga can be a great tool for many to be more present and grounded / increase flexibility . It can be a part of preventative care to keep one healthy aka to keep the body moving , basically taking care of one's mind and body , The whole concept of gaining super powers is just preying on vulnerable people in difficult situations and definitely a distraction .But also with the commercialisation of yoga in the various parts of the world, there has been an increase in popular yogi gurus who are financial and psychological abusing their members . There are creating large cults in various parts of the world including India . They have these large ashrams and they start becoming " GOD " whereas yoga isn't about religion neccessarily . I'm an atheist who practices all forms of yoga . We have to continue creating awareness to these types of cults and their cult leaders so that people don't fall for this BS
Yes! I also practice yoga (yoga fit model). I also do meditations that focus on being aware of my body and surroundings and staying in the present moment. It is not necessarily spiritual. I have found it so helpful for my anxiety. I hate people like this douche bag who label their scams as yoga and meditation.
It’s sad because everything can be turned into a cult, even things that could otherwise have a lot of benefits and positive impacts
Well said. Separate the beneficial aspects of a practice from the coercion and control men try to exert over others. Any system can be used to manipulate as long as people still give their power away to someone they think is "above" them.
I'd like to get back into Hatha yoga. It totally changed & improved my life back in the 1990s. And it lasts a long time, even after I stopped practicing. Lived at the Integral Yoga Institute for a while. I certainly didn't buy into everything, but then I don't buy into everything about anything.
Really well said, dude! @@gtaylor6937
I recently discovered the Deception Detective channel. Based on what he says, I noticed that the "guru" kept saying "I didn't do anything wrong" with the 15 YO girls. He DIDN'T say, "I didn't have 's-relations' with them." In his mind, he didn't do anything wrong, but it's also misleading because it gets interpreted and twisted into him being the "real" victim.
Good thinking..!!!
Convicted of child sex crimes and went to jail. 🚩 wanted money from mom 🚩 opened her mom’s prayers 🚩 attempts to turn her against her mom 🚩🚩🚩mom was right!!!!
You forgot he also turned the tables on mom by saying it's because she too fell for him.
The creep had more red flags than a Chinese military parade. 😂
It’s mind boggling how conniving and manipulative some people are that’s literally how some people get through their life 😢
He had a handsome face and long flowing curls, a 10. All his life his little cons worked. He developed his skills over decades. Pretty people are better at persuasion.
Whenever a guy says he's like God, knows what God is saying, or tells you that you are spiritually special and unique....you freaking run!!!!! 🚩🚩🚩
People like that KNOW what to say to make you feel "seen" so that they can use you.
And anyone who says you can fly is a nutter. Trust me...I was married to a guy who had magical thinking issues.
I have been married to a yoga teacher who revealed himself as narcissistic manipulative perv.😢 Thank you for raising awareness.❤
What is the relation between yoga and his other qualities?
@@nandagramecovillage3707none, they're basically NPD's using spiritual tools to manipulate. They basically show grandiose narcissistic qualities n say they're super aware however their actions show that they r the most unaware kind. Just listen to your intuition, drop the rose coloured glasses and have clarity of what exactly is going on. Clarity is key !!! Magical thinking is their whole game !
The creepy old man had more red flags than a Chinese military parade 😆
I have always been suspicious of two things; religion/patriarchy and new age hoopla/self help genre. Two sides of the same coin.
mhmhm. anything woo-woo. this channel's name actually first set off my alarm bells but ive been here since the beginning so i know whats up
you can add BLM and Hamas to that list
I don’t know…to blindly follow another persons path or organizations path to grow stronger tomorrow than you are today almost certainly leads to stagnation of some sort, but if you genuinely look within and have the courage to shut off your mind and to listen to your own heart, then there’s much to be said for spiritual growth as a way of life- imho. I don’t get the vibe about patriarchy that you do though. I’ve met my share of miserable women in a position of authority more times than I’d like to admit. I just think it depends upon the person- paradoxically it seems to me, the best, easiest folks to work with or for tend to live a spiritual path- not religious, but spiritual. That is they live and become their ideals.
In my experience when you meet women who are bossy or negative, it’s because their identity is tied into the “job”. They have had to fight and manipulate to achieve position. Generally they have been put down through generational/religious/poor mental health trauma and perpetuate the cycle in order to to prevent cognitive dissonance.
@@casshiggins3725 I hear your point and in some cases no doubt that is true. Me. I’ve had a brutally abusive mom and dad. Highly narcissistic. I wasn’t allowed to possess even dignity. Boohoo right. I’m not fishing for pity, my point is, now, decades later, I’m very grateful for the experiences I had. They’ve helped be grow into a compassionate and loving man. That is, strange enough, my most poisonous experiences turned out being my most valuable. All I’m saying is that having a rough go of life for whatever reason can lead you in one of 2 different directions. One of pity and excuses which can lead you to just being a mean boss or can be infinitely worse- like homeless drug addicts. The other direction is one of inner growth. Those years worth of wondering why, and feeling worthless and helpless, becomes a fuel driving you to get out of that generational nightmare and truly BECOMING a solid good person, aka, a spiritual path.
Great story.. I’m glad Joelle got out. This reminds me of the Bikram Yogi/Yoga cult which was just as insidious.
1000000 %! Rebranded here in Vancouver as Hot yoga 101, same crew!
I had no idea! 😮😢
@@ainemcdonnelll The sad thing is that hot yoga is amazing for certain health conditions, so it's a pity that it's been smeared by association with these shady types.
@@vaska1999 💯! I love it in the depths of winter! Luckily other studios do it without the culty vibes!
@@azilbeanI think Netflix has a doco about it.
My heart really goes out to Joelle, and how she was so clearly targeted as a sweet, open, naive person. Narcissists go after this exact kind of person - we need more awareness!
According to the renowned Indian yoga master, Patanjali, yoga is (in English translation for those who don't know sanskrit):" The removing of the fluctuations of the mind."
Now, as a trained yoga teacher who once lived in a yoga ashram under the guidance of an Indian yoga master, let me clarify.
Yoga means "Union." Union of what?
Union of body, mind, emotions, spirit. It is NOT a religion. It is a "spiritual science." YOU (the practitioner) are the scientist. Your body and mind are the laboratory in which you run your experiments (yogic practices), and your results are the where you find out the truth of what it is.
It starts with the recognition of yourself as an extension of the "Greater Self." (Creator of the Universe, Supreme Being, God -- by WHATEVER name you choose to use to describe that BEING).
You are a particle, a portion, a spark of the Divine.
The PRACTICE of yoga -- which by the way has different approaches (BODY approach: hatha yoga, which involves doing yoga postures. MIND: jnana yoga; which involves mainly meditation on; kriya yoga, which involves many types of practices designed to bring balance and harmony into the body; karma yoga, which is service-oriented -- Think Mother Theresa and her nuns service; bhakti yoga, which is the path of devotion and involves chanting -the names of God - think the Hare Krishnas, Raja yoga, the path of discernment of what is truth and non-truth.
The ULTIMATE AIM of yoga is to purify the body and mind (by removing the fluctuations of the mind) so completely, that we are AT ONE (Achieving YOGA) with EVERYTHING and ALL THAT IS.
That so-called "Yogi" did a complete "Mind-F--k" on this woman. It is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN about the nonsense he spouted.
In fact, CELIBACY is one of the MAIN practices for one who wants to reach THE ULTIMATE AIM OF YOGA IS UNION WITH GOD.
It is about purifying both body and mind and involves PRACTICING a body of MORAL GUIDANCES.
The five YAMAS -- according to Patanjali are NON-VIOLENCE, TRUTHFULNESS, NON-STEALING, BRAHMACHARYA (purity in all things and means CELIBACY for non-married people), NON-GRASPING (or non-greed).
The 5 NIYAMAS -- according to Patanjali are practices that can be considered INNER observances. They are PURIFICATION (cleanliness of body, mind, speech), CONTENTMENT (letting go of cravings), ASCETICISM (self-discipline and willpower), SELF-STUDY (the practice of introspection and scriptural study), SURRENDER TO GOD (dedicating one's work to a higher power and dissolving ego-focused desires.
Most Americans practice "YOGA" from a very limited understanding of Eastern philosophy.
Because we are not a monolithic society regarding spirituality -- like in India (In fact, Hinduism is really a WAY OF LIFE, a PHILOSOPHY, not a religion like we are taught). Certain concepts are INTERTWINED IN EVERY ASPECT OF A HINDU'S LIFE. You cannot convert to Hinduism -- specifically because it is not really a religion like we are taught.
The best a westerner can do is ADOPT the principles and practices of yoga.
American -- with our focus on FREEDOM -- are ALL OVER THE PLACE REGARDING SPIRITUALITY. We are raised in separate boxes: Catholicism, Protestantism (with all its multitudinous branches), Judaism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Ba'Hai, Islam, Unitarian, Unity, Agnosticism, Atheism, I-Don't-Know-What-I-Am-ism, etc.
When we study "YOGA," we bring ALL of our MIS-guided understandings to what we THINK we are practicing when we talk about having studied yoga.
In India, Holy men can walk around in public stark naked, covered in ash, carrying their begging bowls, chanting the names of whatever Hindu avatar they worship. Nobody -- even small children will bat an eyelash, because they are recognized as men who are established in God-consciousness. They are perceived as being ABOVE and BEYOND the mundane feelings of shame about the human body.
You try that here, you get arrested for public indecency. We have the Puritans as our early American forefathers.
I lived in a yoga ashram for close to 12 years under the guidance of an Indian guru.
We were vegetarians, celibate, slept on mats on the floor instead of in beds, and sat cross-legged on the floor to eat our meals in silence.
We practiced "social silence" -- speaking only purposefully, on-point, and sparingly. We got up at 4:00am 7 days a week. We went outside to walk or jog before doing yoga postures and meditation. Then we ate our meals. We rotated in turn to perform all the community chores: cleaning, laundry, meal-prep, dish crew. Meal preparation was conducted amidst Hindu chanting -- in order to raise the vibration of the food, prepared in love.
We were given yoga teacher training and taught classes in the surrounding community. We got together in the evenings with our guru for devotional chanting and spiritual teachings. We ran programs for the general public who were interested in yoga and spirituality. We offered services such as massage, energy balancing, healthy lifestyle, and R & R programs.
The entire community meditated at 9:00 pm and it was lights out at 9:30 pm. We got Sunday afternoons off for our free time. We did not have radio, tv, newspapers, magazines at our disposal. Men and women (except married couples) sat on separate sides of the chapel for services and yoga classes.
No personal conversations (i.e. hanging out) were allowed between male and female. Those of us who were there long-term took vows of poverty, chastity, and silence for varying lengths of time. Eventually, some took life-time vows as monks.
I had left a career position at Harvard, sold all of my worldly possessions, and jumped into a celibate, vegetarian community; got trained as a yoga teacher and had to deal later with the shock of finding out later that our teacher couldn't keep his hands off female "white meat" too.
He was eventually found out when one of the women cracked up and confessed. l There was a big scandal, and he was forced to resign.
Fortunately for me, I am black, so I did not have to deal personally with being an object of desire for someone who was raised in a caste system, but wasn't as enlightened as he hallucinated. I think I was always a shudra (low caste).
I was connected to that community for close to 20 years including the pre and post residency years.
I had left a career position at Harvard to move into that community, and there was no going back to being re-entered into the Ivy League world.
Unlike this woman, I dove into the yogic lifestyle head-first and milked it for all it was worth. I don't do anything half-assed, and I was a renunciate monk from day one. I studied the various Hindu scriptures, I chanted my heart out, our prayed unceasingly in all that I did, I taught yoga classes, I did all my service-oriented chores with gusto and fervent gladness.
I am a Chiropractic Physician now, and it took some years of adjusting back into the "real world," but I did it. I would do it all over again if I had to, because there are gems, diamonds, pearls, and rivers of gold embedded in the practice of yoga if you do it PURELY AND COMPLETELY.
BOTTOM LINE: YOGA IS ABOUT PURIFICATION OF BODY, MIND, EMOTIONS and REALIZING WHO YOU REALLY ARE AS A PIECE OF GODY TEMPORARILY EMBODIED, and HAVING A TEMPORARY EARTHLY EXPERIENCE. YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET BACK HOME TO UNION (YOGA) WITH YOUR CREATOR. Anything else that is taught is a bastardized version of it. It is so sad that so many took what is a system of ALIGNMENT WITH TRUTH and PERVERTED IT, and PACKAGED for gullible Westerners FOR THEIR OWN GAIN.
SO SAD.
I got ALL the benefits of yoga, and they have served me well in my guidance and teaching of my chiropractic patients on how to live a balanced, clean, wholistic life. It now comes naturally; and I am able to draw upon that holy experience to remain balanced in all that I do in my life.
This woman's experience was unfortunate and painful, but that is not because yoga is evil or bad. She just got-side-tracked from realizing its life-enhancing, spirit-uplifting beauty.
BY THE WAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM INDIA DO NOT KNOW MUCH -- IF ANYTHING ABOUT YOGA. The reason is that -- IN ITS PURE FORM --it is AN ADVANCED SPIRITUAL PRACTICE THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE MASSES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
ONLY BRAHMINS (the highest caste people) could practice it. Yogis usually taught only a handful of disciple who were serious, because it was an arduous path that required leaving one's family to go apply the austerities that required total devotion to finding ONENESS (YOGA/UNION) with GOD. One had to leave the material world behind.
It later became popularized and extended to the masses both in India and abroad.
It has been polluted, adulterated, manipulated, truncated, miss-mashed. It's no wonder westerners are afraid of it. IT MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT NEW AGE. IT IS THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD. IT JUST WASN'T AVAILABLE TO "ORDINARY" PEOPLE, WHO WERE CONSIDERED BY YOGIS TO BE SPIRITUALLY UNREADY, UNFIT, AND TOO IMMATURE TO PRACTICE IT.
There are a few types of people: people who make mistakes and don’t learn; people who make mistakes and learn from their mistakes; and people who learn from other people’s mistakes.
Thank you Joelle for sharing your story. I feel so fortunate to learn from this channel. Helps me stay very aware of the cobra 🐍 charm that all master manipulators possess. I will be buying your book. 🙏🏼
Anyone, who thinks they are too smart to be conned, scammed or manipulated by a cult or a charismatic leader, is ripe for the picking.
Never underestimate the degree to which master manipulators can discern what is most important to you and use it to bend you, very slowly and effectively, to their will.
Thank your for interest and understanding!
Learned that the hard way. 💯 % agree
Last punch line is an ice breaker.
Cons don't have power.
We give them our powers.
One of my favorite interviews thus far!!! Learned so much more about how far narcissism can get!!!
I met one in India too. .. similar story minus the yoga. She me as a bank balance no more.
@@sarahmurphy-nf4yl I’m so sorry 😢 💔mine was not a yoga type cult but a controlling religious group that my ex narcissistic husband thrived on. Out over 18 years now thank God!
Excellent interview!
Thank you.
Would you have another part2 with Ms. Joelle?
Sooner than later please?
Fascinating story.
I relate.
Another eye opening story! Thank you both for sharing it. I fell for a con man and really helps to hear how she escaped and how hard that was. It was a tremendous sense of loss for me, and it's so good to be reminded about what she won! What a lovely, inspiring person! I also like the Cardone story, I feel like I always learn something here. Dunno if this story would fit in your wheelhouse but the financial times is doing a podcast/youtube about meditation called Retreat, how meditation can cause severe mental illness. Because I'm not religious but always find cult stories relatable is a theme I feel underpins these stories is: how our brains can trick us....when you think you are part of something wonderful, but then figure out you're not. Really hope you keep going with your content.
Harvard needs to start teaching critical thinking skills
Most professors consider themselves mini gurus.
Agree....I mean, the whole story is beyond stupid 🙄
HAHA.. the irony
😂lol
Harvard IS part of the brainwashing complex.
Thank you Joelle for sharing your story, and thank you for your excellent interview skills, and creating a safe space for your guests ❤
I know a few people who were involved in non Jewish/Christian cults. And their stories are so similar. In my own life i have had similar experiences with controling, manipulative, charismatic predators who were not cult leaders. They can be anywhere in society. After i graduated from college and was working my first job, i rented a garage apartment. The owners sold their home to a cult leader. When i went to pay my rent, he took me inside the house and showed me the "Pyramid Room" where the cult members(all women!) Sat around a pyramid naked. He tried to recruit me that day. I was so creeped out thst i packed up my things and moved out as soon as i could get another apartment. Currently i am dealing with a new friend who is showing signs of abusive narsacism. After months, i am realizing the early red signs.
One of my friends was involved in a cult in a cult in Northern California in the 1970s where her husband fell in love with the male leader. The cult has since moved to Australia.
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I’m an Australian… Could you please tell me the name of the group operating here?
Thanks 😊
Plenty of christian /jewish cults destroying peples lives. Churches on just about every corner
@@christinemclatchie I will send my friend and ask her for the cult name. It may take a week or two.
@@MonicaMiller-fk8dnthe husband turned gay because of cult techniques or something?
I’ve had a lot going on and I am so happy to find time to sit down and watch an episode!
Joelle, I think pointing out that you are highly educated is so important! Any person can have vulnerabilities and these can be easily manipulated and exploited. Thank you Joelle for being strong enough today to be vulnerable and to share your story.
✨Shelise✨ first of all, your lip gloss be poppin, your lipgloss be cool!💋😂 anyways, Shelise, thank you so much for taking the time to deep dive into people’s experiences and giving them this platform to tell their truth and raise awareness against these cults. The work you do is so incredibly impactful! Thank you, again!💜
Thank you for your encouraging words! I’m happy to be able to share my story.
Aw I remember being conned by charlatans etc 'lol.' Great interview. I love how you're rounding out the channel to include all different types of cults etc.
This is a great interview. Thank you!
One thing to be aware of is that cults tend to pop up more in times of economic depression. Everyone needs to watch out!
Very well said! I was hooked every minute. So happy you have your power and are using it.
I read the book. It was a very fascinating read. I’m so sorry you went through this. It reminds of the Premka book. Similar themes of being around a charismatic Indian guru type and being completely betrayed by Yogi Bhajan of Kundalini Yoga. It happens slowly over time so it’s hard to realize how one finds themselves in a trap.
It’s not a case of stupidity. Thousands of people in the US found themselves victims to yoga teachers. It’s happened with almost all of the different teaching schools. I felt
I experienced similar predatory behavior from mystical men in Mexico and India. It was online, so I was able to break it off after several months.
There are huge cultural differences that create some of these problems.
For instance, people from India don’t fall for these cons because they have experience with these types of personalities who brag about incredible spiritual abilities. They pay them no mind.
Americans didn’t have enough discernment because this is new.
Now we Americans are wiser.
I don’t understand why schools like Harvard don’t teach their students to be more careful of conmen preying on women.
She went there while doing a grant study for Harvard. They
did not prepare her for this culture. She needed an advisor.
She knew enough not to travel by herself in India by that was not enough.
I’m grateful that Joelle has the courage to write about this. She is helping for many people to not take these risks.
I’m surprised there are so many negative and cruel here about the writer. It takes a lot of courage to share about these experiences. This type of shaming and judging is why most people don’t say anything. Then the cycle continues to happen.
Please let’s encourage people not shame them for their experiences in these cults!
Thank you so much for your insights and your kind words and for reading my book! I agree part of the problem was I had not heard about sociopaths, narcissists, and psychological predators, only physical ones.
It's absolutely not NOT a unique story. It rings all the bells for me after having been labor trafficked by an Indian guru.
In New Jersey currently there are many lawsuits related to such trafficking. Apparently it happened to build a large Hindu temple, the largest in North America. Did you work on that?
OMG so happysomeone is talking about this side of things. Thank You so much for sharing.
Holy crap!
This episode had me on the edge of my seat..
I felt as if I was watching 1 crazy, interesting thrillers!!..
I laughed, I cried, I pee'd my pants!!
Just goes 2show that there's no lack of charlatans in the world!!
& If a beautiful, brilliant, woman as ur guest can be dooped, where does that leave the rest of us!?!?
Scary thought!!
Great show ladies & Jonathan!!❤
Can't wait 2see what's next!!😊
She comes across as a book smart but not street smart - very naive coming out of college.
One thing is being naive and other is believing bs
This was a unique and fascinating interview! My sister is an avid 😮yoga practitioner, and I always associated that space with calm and peace and love. It’s very interesting that any area of our lives can be exploited. Thank you Joelle for sharing your story..
what I love so much about you, Joelle, is that even with these surely often painful and dark times behind you, you laugh. You even laugh about yourselve. Thats feels so good to me!
This is much more strenght and bravery, than any of the gurus, cult leaders and what-nots ever showed. The true hard work of challenging everything you know and think you are and be real about it all. thats something these people could ever hardly do, I imagine.
I often tend being too harsh with me, and on bad days taking things personal, so laughing about my self without shame or anger is sometimes hard. But being able to do so and to see the humour, makes sometimes everything else so much easier.
It´s so good to see you were able to integrate all these big things, all these lies and deceptions and mistakes and laugh about it. It seems you forgave and love yourself. And this is huge!
And all the best to you and your partner! It truly sounds like you found a person deserving and giving back your love and devotion, as you deserved.
Thanks for sharing your story.
And of course, thanks for providing this place, Shelise!
Thank you for your kind words! It took years to emerge from the fear and writing was very helpful. It's an ongoing process that takes time, but the goal is to truly love ourselves, know we are loved and can love too.
Never attached to a teacher. You can learn from a teacher by taking what resonates with you, with your higher self, but do not attach to any person. You can be your own teacher and your own student. Everyone is capable of understanding, and knowing what truth is. These are natural boundaries.
This was super interesting! An excellent interview and crazy story.
Great interview, it is great that these messages are getting out there. It is clear that there is good and evil in just about everything. I have learned to really pay attention to my first impressions and gut feelings. I know by doing so - I have avoided traveling down some of these paths.
I was born and raised in a yoga cult. I so badly wish my own mother would break out of it. She’s 35+ years into it. Even if she never leaves it’s good to know some wives of cult leaders can leave, years later
They’re more common than people realize. I’m glad you got out.
Ya know where these ‘gurus’ could make a lot of money… ACTING in Hollyweird rather than preying on innocent women. Spiritual abuse is so sad, it takes or messes with something so hard to describe- your connection to yourself, the universe, connection. So sad. Thank you for the courage it took to tell your story. I’m so glad you got out. I’m so sorry for all the years you had to go through that. I wish you all the best continuing to find yourself. 💕
Thank you!
A truly great performance from an actor is one that connects to humanity, in my opinion. They wouldn’t do well because acting on set implies actually working - they’d never be able to tell another’s story because they’re so self-involved in their own, wanting to be the director and writer
Yes spiritual abuse is very painful.
They are probably failed actors.
This was such an engaging episode! Joelle is a fantastic storyteller. I can’t wait to read her book. Thank you for introducing her to us!
Thank you!
These narcissist cult leaders focus on bright, attractive young people or people that are open to a new philosophy. So manipulative the way they reshape your thinking & the people who surround them.
Keep speaking out, keep exposing the red flags.
I’m glad she wrote a book and are spreading the word that these spiritual centers and men. I was almost a victim of this but thank goodness I listened to my conscience. Part of the problem was that I lacked self worth. I have it now and I will not give that away. Great interview!!
This is so needed, stories of how anyone can use anything as a cult to control others. I love this channel, it's truly shifting our reality and allowing the heavy control to be purged and healed 🌍🌎🌏💙💚
I live in a very small rural town in CA. Back in the 90's a guru set up shop in town. At first it was just yoga classes, then he started introducing cult techniques. He counseled couples and broke them up. He was always saying " you may ask me questions, but you may not question me." He was incredibly pompous, with long salt and pepper hair, and the finger nails on his pinkies were two inches long. He looked like an Indian guru but we eventually found out he was a New York Jew., And a former shoe salesman. We found out he'd been chucked out of the LA yoga scene. A total guru schmooroo. After awhile he wanted people to do private sessions with him. he'd have people take their clothes off and sit on his lap naked. Supposedly returning one to the child self. Then he started an invitation only, naked yoga class. All these naked women doing dead bug pose, while he walked around in his black tight fit underwear. It was the talk of the town.
eewww! What ultimately happened to him? I assume he left your community?
Wonderful interview, thank you two so much! Joelle is such a strong, inspiring personality, and I really appreciate the honesty and vulnerability and how she takes the whole world into her private story. It is so important to spread awareness about the topic etc. but in this case I also loved the way she exposed very specific strategies and the gaslighting game pathological narcissistic people use to manipulate, it should be taught in schools...
Keep up the great work, very much appreciated!!
Thank you! I want to bring light to these terrible harmful tactics.
Love love LOVE that you guys are reminding everyone that hyper religious cults aren’t the only category!
Manipulation is manipulation!
Showcasing the variety of signs and reminding people that it isn’t always under the cover of an overtly religious guise is SUCH an important part of this conversation!!!
*Joelle* thanks for coming on and opening up. Sharing your story and taking back your identity is a beautiful thing!! Thank you for putting in the work to understand yourself and showing that beautiful soul to the world!! 🖤🖤
Much love and support as always! 🖤 (also, love hearing from Jonathan when it’s feasible to have him on!! pls, more more more! 😹)
Love this thoughtful and kind comment! Thanks Joel!
I would definitely consider this religious though, just because it's not Christian or Jewish doesn't mean it's not religious
Thank you so much for your kind words!
@@sianmilne4879 I agree, this has a LOT of spiritual aspects that do intertwine with followings like hinduism. I was referring to this not being under a “typical” (and I use that word loosely) guise we see portrayed often in these discussions.
Thank you for commenting so I could express that a bit better! lol
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It's so crazy to think how quickly someone can take control of your mind Joelle did such a great job explaining the questions almost probing the person to see how to get in and what the person needs to hear at the time . I really loved this video such a strong smart woman it's one of my favorite videos you've done keep them coming CTC ❤
These master manipulators/predators are always looking for the innocence of empathetic people who will be ready to please someone they admire/care about. Also, they play with emotional vulnerabilities in regard to their targets' trouble relationships with their parents in childhood; those original wounds which lots of people carry inside unresolved. So, those manipulators play the parental figure who will fill that void, will be that savior, the protector, the answer for all the pain. At the end, everything they do is devastating someone's life, mind, soul, heart, and financial resources. Thank you Joelle for sharing your story. Breaking the silence about these abusers is the beginning for healing and, hopefully, justice.
Thank you for your encouragement! Breaking the silence is so important.
@@elevatingvoices You are very welcome! Absolutely, breaking the silence is the most empowering thing. Your voice is powerful and I am so glad you were able to find your way back to the things and people which make you fulfilled, safe, and with a true sense of being loved by who you are. You are a beautiful person. Thank you for your generosity, courage, and wisdom.
@@simonebittencourt8251 ❤
Thank you for this interview. I have been recently getting into meditation and Buddhism and a certain internet creator. This vid is reminder to always look out for red flags no matter what. Cult of personalities always exist. It doesn't have to be a religion.
Thank you so much, Joelle! I genuinely appreciate all the knowledge you're sharing. Hopefully, someone who needs this will absorb it and avoid learning the hard way. Joelle, you've learned to truly love yourself, and it's inspiring. Everyone has a story, and yours had me so captivated I feel like a fan girl❤😅. I eagerly anticipate reading more of your story.
Thank you for your kind words! I appreciate it! I’m hoping my story will reach those who need to hear it.
It's so fascinating to show religious abuse, and combine it with emotional abuse in a romantic relationship. This is a perfect illustration of why I gain so much listening to people's cult or high demand religion experiences. Which I never had, but I did have a terrible relationship.
Thank you for this guest and thank you Joelle for sharing this story.
What an incredible story! You can tell she has really processed through this. This is one of my favorites, well done!!
Thank you Joelle for sharing your story, we need more awareness about spiritual/new age cultlike practices like this!
I had one of these self-appointed gurus subletting my flat for a while I was travelling internationally. He maintained that he was a buddist monk, wrote books and basically makes money milking the clout he got from interviewing a famous figure in Myanmar. He was constantly complaining, making demands, threw his recycling in the garbage, hit the ceiling with a broom (marke are still visible) when my neighbours were "too noisy" instead of going upstairs to talk like a mature adult... he quickly became a liability when he went above my head and tried to convice the landlord to let him stay longer than our written agreement, pretending I was ok with this! My landlord didn't like him so we managed to get him out before I flew back. The most egostical, immature, narcissistic fraud masquerading as a near-holy figure, and there's many more like that preying on the naive and co-dependents. 😡
Appreciate you sharing!! This is so relatable!!! Except mine was a Maya "guide"...your share brings company...validation...and healing in a way in such an experience of this kind of predator.
The manipulation!!! Unbelievable. So glad you found yourself and got away from that awful man
Thank you!
Great story 'bout a very weird & sad perversion of 'spirituality'. Well done for getting through to your clarity, & thanks for sharing so deeply.
Actually Yoga is a perversion on itself, it’s to acquire esoteric powers
It may not have been a “religious “ cult, but it was amazing to hear the similarities between the groups and how control is established. Terrific interview!💖
But you see Ms. Angie,
Yoga, transcendental meditation, breathing techniques, altered states of consciousness, tantric sex, etc. are occult practices.
Notice the similarities. ocCULT.
This is Eastern “religion”
Hinduism in origin. by definition
Joelle’s story is one that classically fits being molded by a “religious cult”.
really interesting interview.
I would definitely consider this religious, just new-age/neo-eastern religious
Real Yoga, not western exercise yoga, is a deep spiritual practice.
@@sianmilne4879it's actually the oldest recorded. Nothing new under the sun
Thank you @joelle for sharing your incredible life story. OMG this "fake" guy had it all planned out! Thank you @Shelise for being an amicable host. I am a new subscriber. Love from Singapore / Goa, India. PS:: Give credit to RUclips for recommending your channel.
Thank you for sharing your story. The healing that comes after leaving someone who completely messes with your mind takes years to unravel. It saddens me that people can do this level of damage. It also saddens me when people use spirituality or religion to take advantage of people. It's already something people struggle to "believe in" and then stuff like this happens.
I have a long time friend I met in my 20s. She is about 20 years older than me and in her 20s was very involved in the new age and yoga etc. We both still love yoga etc. So this was the late 60s her story took place. Her friend met a man who said he was a swami. They married, moved to India, where he was from, and a few years later he murdered her. That story never left my mind. So yes Noelle potentially was in a lot of danger. Her mom was right. I'm not saying all yoga swami are bad, etc. Just that there are always people prepared to use something like yoga to manipulate others.
Yoga in the east is not practiced by regular people let alone women, it’s practiced basically by warlocks who are trying to get new esoteric supernatural powers by doing yoga, and it’s of demonic origins
People who practiced it and later on converted to Christianity had manifested demons and they had to undergo exorcisms
Yoga is evil at his core and the reality of yoga is very different from the way it’s used and presented in the west
I still don’t understand how it gained so much popularity
Thank you for your story . Stay aware and in descernment ladies. Open your eyes, I went through the same thing after being single 4 years… there’s no magic to these people, they’re just plain lying and will ruin your life.
This was the BEST video on this channel yet! So much of it resonated with me and it gave me a deep sense of healing and validation for myself in dealing with my own situation. Though not cult-related, I went through years with a manipulative man very similar in many ways to her Arun. But aren't most manipulators following the same dishonest, self- centered narrative, after all? Anyway, I greatly appreciated this episode. It let me feel a huge release in hearing something similar to what I've gone through, being used for years and lied to, and I thank you to both Joelle and this channel for giving me such encouragement. ❤
Thank you! We are not alone. I’m so happy that you felt some release from hearing my story. ❤️
Fascinating and so inspirational, thank you for sharing your journey! ❤
I love this woman, how much she embraces her story and laughs at the situation she found herself in ❤❤❤
Her voice is so soothing!
I loved just hearing her speak
Her mom is a warrior, never gave up
Women are simply the best💪🏻
This is a wild ride. Thanks for sharing. ❤ I’m so grateful you got out of this situation
Thank you!
More interviews with Joelle please! I saw the second one already! And please continue to ask further questions or about new stories. I watched the second one with your mom and wasn't sure if you'd already taped that one (perhaps it was a repeat?). I am loving your channel and watch ALL your interviews. Thanks for what you are doing!!!
After experiencing and emerging from both the dark sides of religion and spirituality, all I have to say is: hold onto your own power. Don't relinquish your power to any religious leader or spiritual guru. Don't fall for the tricks of religious or spiritual con artists from any source. In simple terms, beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.
It saddens me that Joelle Tamraz returned to organized religion because, from my personal experience, it's essentially the same thing.
Like always: Thank you for this video and your great work!
The esoteric scene is dangerous in several ways. I met esotericists in management consulting > 10 years ago at my previous employer in Germany. Manipulation and even brainwashing were their standard tools. It was a married couple. The man was a trained psychologist (Diplom-Psychologe), the woman described herself as a psychologist but was significantly less trained. Critical thinking was banned and psychotherapeutic methods were abused to create a tight-knit group of managers who were supposed to act as multipliers within the company. After three years the damage was not minor, but I managed to throw the two charlatans out.
It's always amazing that even simple logic is turned off. An example: “Don’t tell the people what they shouldn’t do!” Tell you what you should do!” When asked why, the answer was: “Because the brain is not able to process the word ‘not’.” Any questions?
I've definitely had this experience where my manager brought a couple in to "train" his team and biy was it pseudoscience galore. The guy kept going on about how impressed we'd be when we'd meet his wife, but she was incredibly underwhelming. I wonder if the hyping was to cover up for her lack of charisma. They quizzed us to find our enneagram types then used that to explain and excuse any wrong doing our boss had done. An absolute joke and waste if time and money...
How did you get rid of them?
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My disrespect for their nonsense provoked them to the point where they made mistakes. I also analyzed their actions carefully, wrote a lot of paper and convinced my management colleagues and our bosses. It was a lot of work, but it was worth it and I learned a lot about the dangers of esoteric management consultants.
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Thank you!
Hopefully l will never have such an encounter, but you never know...
ruclips.net/video/M5GrvHaCdb0/видео.htmlsi=1WxP61JyS7QIXLc1
Thats a german podcast that always invites diffrent experts and scientist, they talk about BS and esotherik male practice and stuff in the managment world in this episode. For any german speakers, they have some cool episode about esotheric stuff cults, missinformation, culture and psychology. Highly recomend 🤗
I learn a ton from your channel. Today the statement of do not give up your power. Wow. Straight into my heart. Can’t wait to tell my son and teach him
Great interview. Thank you both.❤🙏🏻❤️
I've always felt a culty vibe from the whole yoga world.
I had my near death experience at 8 years old. I was connected with the Divine consciousness,love, blissful energy. I saw all souls connection between each other and with him.He is the only Guru,an real source, and we are connected with him forever. Never fallow anyone who pronouns him self as a Guru,ore act out of Ego or power. We live in a time when all fake Gurus will get there rewards. Future is about something really amazing. I got a lot of hidden knowledge but I am not teaching anyone else than my self out of respect for everyone else. We are all masters of our lives. The most you help others without ego,the more you get.
Thank you both! Such an intrrsting topic. We're brianwashed from all directions. A great host brings the best out of her guests.
Truly enjoyed this amazing tale!! Joelle expressed herself so well and brought the story to life. There are evil exploitive people in the world and unfortunately we sometimes become their victim. I am very happy Joelle has come full circle and found her peace!! Great program!!!
Yogic flying is jumping, seated, with your butt. There's some pretty amusing photos of Shoko Asohara "demonstrating" this feat, it looks super uncomfortable. I'm all about unique experiences but I always side-eyed this one