Brandon Tan (#1 Pokémon GO Player) on Multiple Accounts, Grinding XP, and Traveling the World
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- I sat down with the world's #1 Pokémon GO Player, Brandon Tan. As of this interview, Brandon has over 580 million XP in Pokémon GO. We talk about his strategies for grinding, traveling the world to learn from other Pokémon GO communities, the use of multiple accounts in Pokémon GO, and much more! If you actually read these descriptions, let me know if you like this format, as it's something I'd like to try doing a little more often.
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There's no friend code in this video. Please watch the interview if you're interested. Friend code will be back in the next regular video.
Trainer Tips I’m not interested in your friend code.
Trainer Tips i do want friend codes :'(
Who was that in the back ground at beginning of the video?
Trainer Tips I finally found a raid group this Year! I waited 7-8 hours for a raid group to help me with raids last year, and no one showed. Prayed to Christ for a group, now I have more than 20 people inside my group now a days! Looking forward to your friend code.
ok trainer tips
Was brandon thinking in his mind how much xp is he losing during this interview? 😅😂
Nope... He had his gotcha on. Lol
No xp waste
Bro he’s like biatch catch up 😂
Am I the only one who appreciates little Bulbasaur on the laptop!? He is so cute
Sancerree I love the Bulbasaur too
No you’re not
I think he also placed it there because it makes the shot more interesting and complements the other colors in the video. Green is the complement to red, which Brandon’s shirt has.
Where can we buy it ? Does anyone know?
I want one where can I buy it
this is the second time nick has inspired me to buy something, first his waist bags secondly this bulbasaur on his laptop.
These are the answers we want to know !
Been a witness to how incredible Brandon is as a grinder, it's insane with how much efficiency he's automatically performing certain actions to take time, for instance where there isn't a lot of spawns and there's even a couple of seconds of downtime he spends it sending out gifts or using berries on Pokémon he has in gyms.
Another thing that was mind blowing to me was the fact that Brandon uses ALL of his berries for feeding Pokémon in gyms just so he could get more Stardust, he doesn't use any Pinap Berries on Pokémon to increase the amount of candy obtained from Pokémon, my best guess is that this is due to the amount of time he dedicates catching Pokémon anyway.
He's truly at a different level and I've got a lot of respect for it, great interview Nick!
Reversal I agree! As someone who’s always low on stardust I need to adopt that strategy more lol.
I think this is fairly common among the high level players. If you ever need candy for a certain mon there is rare candy. Now you can trade for candy. Also, dust count is a number that some folks look at to measure progress. If you sit at 10M, no one can criticize you on how to spend it. 1M trade? Some folks would flip out. It's like paying for a Lambo in cash.
Hey man, can you please reconsider talking to the folks at The Lured up Podcast? they are great, no hard feelings :) Cheers
That's interesting that he doesn't use pinap berries for catching. I feed a lot of them to gyms too, but not all
Reversal oh my dayyyys
Nick thank you so much for sharing this video!!! I will watch the whole thing: TWICE! I love that it's basically a chill documentary. Thanks Nick, you always do amazing work!!!
yea, super chillin convo. Brandon is brilliant. He has to be making money or come from money because you can tell he is very educated and well read. You can pick up on his nuanced social interactions that feel seemless. The man is a beast.
Nick should interview you next
Ayyyyyyyyyy level 40 team valor in the comments! Holly! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Long Beach is my city
milk truck just drive
28:28 Nick's views on Multi accounting vs Spoofing. 30:10
34:00 Tan's views on multiple accounts. 42:42 on TOS.
Sherwin Correa u the real mvp
Sherwin Correa thnx
I spoof because well gas prices
Lol listen to this guy explain how much he spends on raid passes; theres your answer as to why multiaccounts will never be banned. 6 accounts. Joke.
Yea Nick and Brandon justify their cheating pretty hard. Now rules can be viewed by if they are "malicious" or not, fuck offfffff lol
I low key appreciate this title isn't in all caps.
EmmaSenshi same tbh
I high key appreciate it
So unnecessary, we watch Nick for his quality.
SunsGinger right, we do. That's why if he's already known for good quality videos then having to click bait with all caps is unnecessary plus it's a "technique" used on youtube which I'm tired of seeing. Not saying he can't do it but leave it for REALLY hyped moments, events, or discoveries. Because if he uses it for all then it just takes away the importance of it.
EmmaSenshi I agree.
does anyone else find it ungodly the amount of raids that brandon does on a regular basis? i'm lucky if i do one raid a day. where my one raid per day squad at
If I have enough coins I do 4
i get like 1 to 5 a month
1 every 6 months 😂
i have only been to a raid and its in Dubai , we don't have gyms in nigeria
I do 1 raid per week
The noobs who disliked this video still throw straight and only keep "the highest CP"
Bboom Bap 😂
or they know that brandon has paid services and breaks tos
@@gamunuwithana7243 that was many months ago buddy
@@sajum4869 i know it was a while ago but it was around the same time as this video was posted
@@gamunuwithana7243 who cares.....
Level 39. Never broken any Terms of Service rules . I'm a Rural player and had fun and worked hard to get to the level I'm on.
Dale Michaud have you ever played while driving? Breaking ToS
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at least he goes out unlike trash ass spoofers lmao
I've added you as a friend. Thank you
Nope
I do like this format. Like you guys said, the community is different everywhere & for those of us who can’t travel, we get to hear & see what the game is like elsewhere. We get to know what other communities are like & even get a leg up should we get to travel or if we move. For myself, it gives me ideas on how to maximize my gameplay where live & overcome whatever obstacles I encounter in my neighborhood. I don’t have all the answers so seeing what other players do really helps me out & gives me ideas. This is one of the biggest reasons why I love everyone’s travel vlogs. You’re helping me expand on my experience at home & make the most of what little resources I have.
49:40 "Don't half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing." -Trainer Tips Nick 2018
In our small town in Sweden(Mjölby) 3 players, me + 2 more started to play Ingress January this year, after we all hit lvl 10 we have went from 11 Gyms in the whole town to ~27 gyms. Just by adding new portals =D
As a rural player that has to drive a hour to get to a good spot to raid and grind, I'm truly jealous I wish ninnatic would help us rural players out.
Do you still play?
The "Active Radius" difference based on proximity to the equator, is a fascinating detail. Thank you Nick and Brandon for getting into this level of depth.
Fantastic video nick, I appreciate the questions you asked him. Brandon Tan is a very interesting player so it's very insightful to hear his views on things, especially as he plays so differently than I do. I love this kind of content!
Just finished watching, thank you both for taking the time to do this! Definitely gained a lot from listening to this!
*Nick plays host to the #1 Pokemon Go player in the world*
"You can have the less comfortable chair"
Wut? 😂😂😂
jdzumwalt3 I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who picked up on that. Way to host a guest! Lol 😂
Pretry sure they get along like that
he knows it is obviously a joke, as Nick is friends with him in real life AND in PoGo
Curious Cat pretty sure you don't understand jokes but ok
Chris Komjian joke went way over your head but thanks
Its the "its not okay for you to break rules, but I will break all the rules I want because Im not breaking the 1 golden rule of spoofing, so I'm better than everyone else even though I carry around 5 ppls devices and do raids solo"
What's wrong with doing solo raids lmao
I don't think having multiple accounts is cheating
@@zindellsandria it is, it’s against the TOS
I encountered Brandon just downstairs from my home once, he was basically grinding a gym till it goes Gold, it was around 8 pm when I saw him, and he told me he was going to fight and feed the gym till it goes Gold, which he estimated till around 2 am or so. I was simply blown away by that commitment, whilst felt bad for my friend who placed her Dragonite in the gym that night :( but just...wow
Boom12 do you know why he always avoids the question about what he does for a living? Well, he charges people to power up their accounts which is completely against the terms of services. Why does trainer tips promote this fraud? People need to know the real truth about this fraud that takes advantage of the game for his own profit. Notice that he avoids the question about his job.
Allen Jones he avoids the question because it's nobodys business what ANYONE does for a living.
Any idea as to how he did it until it was gold?
Allen Jones he says he catches pidgy for a Living. So that explains it
Most people and I don't miss the maps either for finding pokémon in the wild, but we need better raid maps to be able to find raids further away than just 500 meters from our homes. We are not all RUclipsrs who can spend the entire day playing Go and looking for raids, so we need more help from the game - the kind of help that the raid maps gave us. We still miss the raid maps a lot as part-time players, so help us Niantic with much better in-game maps, please!
I agree. Niantic could take over Gymhuntr. I wouldn't even mind paying 1 coin per month for access, then I would also buy more raid passes if I could find the lower tier raids that I could solo (or duo with my daughter's account, shh, does that count as multiple?). It would be a win, win all round. Hear that Niantic, more $$$s for you!
Or you could make friends. That’s what I’ve done I have made friends with several ppl in my community and when I want to find a raid I go on discord and communicate with my community. If I’m looking for something specific they will tag me so I can get it. We coordinate with time and another thing that really helps is leaving a Pokémon at a gym even if it’s a friend. Just ask your friend hey anything at so and so gym or check your Pokémon if you see an egg going to pop then go ahead and see what pops you can check like every 50 min to see if an egg has appeared. If you really want to do raids then make the effort. It’s what the game was made for not to just sit at home all day
Ps I’m not a RUclipsr, I work, and have children. Yet I can find gyms. If your area doesn’t have a discord then try making one for your community. Trust me it really works
B-Music We have a community and FB raid posts, but I and some of the other most active raiders can't see most of the gyms from our homes and many of the raids are not posted or so late that we are not able to make it in time. Good advice, but unfortunately it doesn't help us in our situation. We still need better raid maps. We also miss the information about boss movesets - very important information if only few raiders are available.
I too am a busy single Mum and yes we have a great community here, I'm in 4 Messenger groups based on suburbs I can get to and we do communicate well, but low tier raids are rarely posted sadly. Cheers :)
I really like this new format, an occasional interview/podcast with members of the PoGo community is something that would take this channel to the next level!
You are the first person I've ever heard voice my "reason behind the rule" outlook on life. Thank you. That makes my day.
I enjoyed this format alot. My commute is long and I listen to alot of podcasts and admittedly watch your daily vids while driving. This is a welcome addition to the channel. Keep doing what feels right. It's served you well.
I know this is an older video, but I absolutely love this content, please do more videos like this!!!
Brandon throughout the entire video thinking: *Man i'm missing out on an hour of grinding Pokemon Go*
"Comparison is the thief of joy" ~ Theodore Roosevelt
People in my city can't beat legendaries without my 3 accounts. I live in a rural area with 3 trainers
Max Smith damn and I thought I had it rough in my area
YES! Please do more videos like this. Watched this with my morning coffee and couldn't have been more entertained!
He has gotten around 15-16 million xp since I met him at gofest a few weeks ago.... and he has been travelling!!!!! GOAT. Nice to briefly meet both of you. Xoxo
58:00 Of course you out of ALL 375 Pokémon you named that one! 😂😂😂
Reversal Hahaha
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#ScumOfTheEarth 😂
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That was awesomely sneaked in there 😂😂😂
I’m sorry but I feel like this video is, the way I cheat is ok, but the way that others cheat is not ok.
So is spoofing for air support ok? No malicious intent involved.
Awesome interview thank you for all the super dope content TrainerTips & BT!! I like that bulbasaur in the bg haha
My suggestions for the game;
1. Rare Pokestop - Grants more items per spin, but takes slightly longer to regenerate.
2. Type Incense - Lures certain types of Pokémon into your lures or incense. If it’s partly cloudy, but you need water types for a challenge or task, select water type etc.
3. Pokémon encounter battle - Much like a raid, you can encounter a Pokémon in the wild such as Snorlax, Dragonite or Lapras that you will have to battle. Based on trainer level, the Pokémon will be much more difficult to defeat as well as catch.
4. League Gym - Different to a regular gym, this gym will have auto set Pokémon that you’d need to battle to earn a spot in the gym. It’ll have a total of 9 spots and 3 spots available per team. The highest ranked players will earn more xp, coins or stardust per day. The only way to be eliminated from the League Gym is after 24 hours.
5. Raid difficulty lowered - Since a lot of the community can not gain or find other players in a rural area, Raids should be able to be lowered to a certain cp to battle. Eg Tier 1 CP or Tier 2 Tyranitar. With a more balls but lower catch rate.
6. Biome mapped - By adding these kinds of areas to the game, would entice more players to visit certain areas of their town or city. If there is an Ice biome nest area at your local park, that will remain there for 2 weeks like any nest. But it’ll have all sorts of ice types there. With Ice terrain and snow blowing.
Dear Nick. I've watched your videos since before the game launched and I never missed even a single episode. But every time you kinda backed Brandon Tan up with his multiple accounts issue by saying what he did isn't as bad as spoofing, I got more and more disappointed.
For me a free-to-play player, the only means of me getting Poke coins is to put my pokemon in gyms. I've had many experience of defeating 6 high CP pokemon (they have been in the gym for more than a day) in an enemy controlled gym (the only gym that is within walking distance from my house) by myself for 10 - 15 minutes only to get my pokemon knocked out 2 - 5 minutes later. Not by other trainers but the same *single trainer* who put all the same 6 pokemon earlier back into the gym.
How did I know it's the same person with multiple account? Because the trainer account names are like these; 'John', 'JohnJohn', 'John2', 'John2John', 'LittleJohn', 'JohnFTW'. So in my opinion, people who have multiple accounts are wasting my time just like your example of spoofers wasting your 40 minutes.
Even though he/she didn't spoof, by having 6 accounts, they can put themselves above a single, legit player whose trying to take down a gym alone. It literally discouraged me when I saw the same pokemon knocked my only defending pokemon out. So now I rarely put my pokemon in a gym. But whenever I do, and the same thing happened again, I can't be bothered battling the same Blissey, Snorlax, Tyranittar, Dragonite, etc.
Minzhora ok but what if I have say 3 accounts all different colors? Is that ok. If you took a gym near me and knocked out my red Pokémon and put in your yellow I’d just join you and put in from my yellow team.
P2P will always beat F2P players. 😭
Did u actually watch the video? Nick states that he is ok with multi-accounts ONLY when it is has NO downside for anyone at all, like raiding, but he is agasint what you mention, before writting a 3 paragraph comment, at least watch and understand the video lol
Wait the accounts are called John, John2 etc, but you said he/she?Don't know any female Johns personally.
Chicken Nuggets442 Did you just assume John’s gender? 😂
Did Brandon Tan just claim taking down a normal gym with his multiple accounts are supposed to be okay?
Personally I'm okay with both spoofing and multiaccounting as long as theres NO interaction with gyms
Any level 40 trainer could take down a gym by themselves. Why the hate wit multiple accounts. Better than people who berry cave a gym.
He did say it lol.
Raymond liu yea the golden razz berry should lose its power over time, like the first time you use it on a Pokemon it regains full health but the second time it regains like 75% and the third time like 50% and so on so that people can't golden razz a gym forever to prevent someone from taking it down. It used to be easier in the old gym system because you could take down a gym faster than someone who wanted to level up the gym and prevent you from taking it down
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Gold razz lose it's effect after 10 berries fed, problem with multiple accounts are that you can quickly take it down without the defender having time to react and the option to feed the gym.
One should be able to defend its gym.
It gives a multiaccounter an unfair advantage over a normal player, which is bad for the game.
I wonder what happened to the guy that quit his job on early days of Pokemon Go? Where is he today, is he still playing? Is he close to Brandon or he got back to the job. Find him and interview. LIKE WHO WANTS TOO to get him see this
Years later still come back to this and your channel consistently. You make good stuff man even when I’m not playing the game I can enjoy a video of yours.
I wasn't sure whether I would get through a hour long video but wow it was so interesting. The way he's worked everything out and the math he applies to it is fascinating. I still not sure how I feel about multiple accounts but it's good to see the different points of view. For me i'm happy with one account (don't think my brain could handle more) but then we play as a family which makes raiding easier. I like the relaxed set up. Thanks for sharing and putting this together.
Came here after Brandon's main got banned. I watch this again, and see you and all the other sponsored PokeGo youtubers defend Brandon and his multi-accounting ways, and using poke-scanner maps when they were available. Let's go back to your video you made about how much you hate spoofing, why it's not good for the community, even if a disabled or ill person wanted to. Now, I respected that and your opinion, but here you are, defending Brandon because he's popular and your friend? I'm not saying you have to trash him, or bad mouth him, but to make excuses for him when he has and still does abuse and violate the TOS. The same TOS of the company that sponsors YOU. Multi-accounters have wasted my time, made it to where I can't keep a gym or get into a gym and just flat out is against the rules. Brandon is NO different when he goes out and grinds. Just going to touch on his "services". Sharing account with MANY people because he's selling WAY over priced mewtwos to his fans. Those same people are probably in your fan base as well. How do you feel that he is scamming us, the community, by offering selling services for hundreds of dollars? That's 4 violations that he's been open with and supported by and it's very disheartening that he gets a pass from you guys because he's a nice guy. Maybe if he hasn't been charging his fans and supporters hundreds of dollars for mewtwos I wouldn't be so angry, but maybe one day I could see your current take on the situation. I love the summer tour squad, and hope you guys keep up the good work.
He's not selling to fans, it's just customers to him. This guy is all about the numbers, and money wins in the end. Dude doesn't give a shit about playing fair it's a shame he gets a platform.
By violating the terms of service he accepted the risk of being banned. He broke several rules, he rolled the dice, he lost.
Its just a game bro, fuckin but hurt af
@@KANEISNINJA about as hurt as you are that you had to leave this comment lol
Katelyn Howard k plz explain my Butt hurtness. And justify 3hrs worth of writing in an essay. I smell a low IQ and a hint of dillusion.
The argument Nick makes against spoofing is... making me wonder something : cars. "PokemonGo was made so that we could go out, and spoofers don't. Plus, they can negate other players' work by not having to do as much."
But, well, so do people who drive. PokemonGo was created to make us walk around and see landmarks as we play, not to farm raids and secure all the gyms away from walking players. They don't play as it was intended and don't do as much efforts as "legit players", so the reasoning is similar.
Maybe I see this as "as bad as spoofing" because, here, most spoofers I know of actually don't act like assholes about gym control and are a great help for distant raids that don't always get enough players to be completed. When half of our high level player base is people in their cars, acting selfish and ruining the experience for low level players, isolated players and such. And only making up for it when those are on their way aiming for the same PvE objective.
People were strongly against spoofers for a time here. Then, well... it died out. Spoofers who act selfish usually see private lobbies when trying to raid. And since we're not a very competitive community (especially since some of the aforementioned assholes in their cars stopped playing, liberating a huge play area that was "red-controlled" for no other reason than... well, that, which profited only those "around-15" players in the whole town...), they don't stalk all gyms in town preventing legit players to have a shot.
I've always played legit, and spoofers made my life worse around 50x less often than I could count for people in cars. So why the double-standard? (And, apparently, spoofing requires patience I guess? Heard it was already pretty janky even before Niantic launched the current wave of anti-spoofing measures or something. It may still be less costly than a car ride (I would guess), but it's not like a car ride wasn't *ALSO* a waaaay easier way of playing compared to walking.)
EDIT : As I watch the rest of the video, I see the argument of "social interaction" being brought up a lot. And, once again, it checks out. People in cars tend to stay in it. Waiting for a vague sign about a raid starting, or simply destroying a gym a legit player just obtained because they finished their loop around the district from the remote and private place of their car interior. While I have one or two spoofers in my contacts that can get a coffee break at work to save a raid (like you'd do with the multi-account), I can rarely count on any people in their cars away from their loop because, well, if there are no parking spots less than 50 meters away from you, you can go die in a fire, they won't help.
And I use "legit player" loosely here talking only about "walking players" simply to show how easy it is to make the same argument about people in cars not being "legit". I mean, Niantic can't ban them as easily as spoofers because, from their perspective, going too fast can be as much "being in a vehicle" than "forgetting PokemonGo while being in a vehicle", or "having your GPS lagging". But there are securities to prevent gameplay while moving faster than by foot. It shows that it's not accepted by Niantic, it's not condoned. It's just impossible for them to assess it fairly.
Really you could use your comparison to any form of transportation. Bike, Long Board, Roller Skates anything with wheels really to move faster than any walking person. Would that also not make them "Legit" players?
Weird community you got there. Whenever I drive to a raid, I ALWAYS get out of my car and go to the group of people or start the circle. And during community days, I go around on rollerblades to catch stuff (and I still end up losing the shiny contest to people that walk lol) It’s still a lot of fun though! That said, I don’t like it when people stay in their cars for raids either. It discourages socialization which is essential for a game like this to stay running (like spoofing does).
Every community is different. I truly have reasons to dislike mine, but I heard others in bigger cities in my country were even less friendly.^^
As for cars (and "any other form of transportation", to respond to Micah Willett ; sorry, didn't see the notification apparently), I wasn't saying I'm personally against it, as I would clearly be an hypocrite (when I don't have time to play for the whole day, I get a few pokemons in the bus on the way to school/work and back home). I was just arguing that, *according to Nick's arguments*, cars check out as much as spoofing in the way of "not respecting community guidelines" and "creating gaps of power in the community".
But, as much as spoofing, I think it depends more on the person (a open car driver = a talkative and serviceable spoofer) than on the support itself (an asshole will stay an asshole, spoofing or driving giving them a roughly similar advantage). Hence why I dislike my community (we have a loooot of prideful pricks).^^
Tho, now that I think about roller skates, etc... I wonder if it also is in the same category. Since the game allows 12 km/h I think (around 7.5 mph, is that correct? old information from nebulous source), which is way more than you can achieve by walking, but is perfect for a jog or a casual skating trip. But then again, I was simply debating the criterias of Nick, not trying to set a standard.^^ For all I know, that speed limit is like the GPS for cars not earning you a ban : they can't prove you didn't simply ran 100 meters and deny you the right to play and putting the bar THAT high is simply a fail-safe, but maybe they actually wish they could make aaaaaall of use go snail-pace for some reason.^^
kangourouuu1 Atleast he gets out of his house he has also formed a local community
Holy moly it’s an hour long
JPQ Stevens time to stop what ever were doing grab popcorn water and watch it!!!
JPQ Stevens "it's an 1 long," lmao
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. You both have been transparent and honest with why you play the game and how you play the game. I agree with you when it comes to spoofing and multi-accounting. Where I play, multi-accounts have helped many people complete raids. And you're right, it comes down to the intent.
Brandon - I am a level 40 in Texas and I have never broken a TOS. I run approximately 15-40 miles a week playing Pokémon Go - So I may be the only player that has NEVER broken a TOS - just wanted to clarify. Love your full disclosure and how you have invigorated players like myself. If you’re ever in Houston, I would love to meet you!
The way they attempt to justify multi-accounting sounds an awful lot like spoofers doing the same. Double standard and hypocritical.
Yeah it's dumb
Just seeing this now but agreed. Justifying a different rule to break as less of an offense doesn't make it right over the other. Rules are the rules. Even if the rule setters use personal opinions on how to apply punishment for certain offenses. I would respect their decision on how they played if they just out right said its not right and it is against the rules but its how I like to play. Playing games like War and Order you can have cheaters that are called refunders. Buying supplies to level up as fast as they can and refunding all it back because a country has different laws set for refunding and buying digital goods. Your group or community of players could outright kill that account out to make them stop cheating or they can accept its what they'll do. In some senses those players benefit your group. Same goes with these guys trying to make the way Brandon plays be alright. Its not and the community could shun him or they can say I'm fine with how he plays because it may be against the rules but it benefits our group. Guys need to stop riding the line and be blatant about what they think. There doesn't need to be reasons to always justify.
The “talk” about multi accounts and spoofing was so soft on buddy Brandon geez. “It’s okay because in Singapore it’s normal” is a terrible justification for breaking TOS. He’s a rule breaker just as much as a spoofer is a rule breaker
this kind of argument would justify any illegal behaviour because of tradition, culture
Frank Huber it shows everyone in Singapore who plays that way is a rule breaker just like Brandon Tan is. If my country has everyone spoofing in it , it doesn’t make it okay. Multi accounting is not okay just like spoofing is not okay
Haus of Thug Life I was backing your first comment. His argument is flawed he could say it's a good practice in Singapore to ram other trainer's cars. just don't get why Nick would give him this forum
Frank Huber because they’re friends. Apparently by the look of things friendship supersedes truth, logic, and rules
Haus of Thug Life true, this clearly happened in this case
On Multiple accounts 31:30 You say "its not malicious to be able to raid using your own multi accounts". But let me bring up your argument before that about spoofing. When i have 6 phones, and that makes me able to do all the raids without help, it gives me an advantage of anyone needing other people to do raids. It gives me the ability to stack up on strong pokemon from raids, with high iv's, more than someone who need to coordinate a group together for every raid. which in turn gives me an advantage over you at gyms. The intention might be to make it easier for me, so that would make it okay? I disagree because it does give me an unfair advantage over someone else.
Great video! And the description format below the video was great, definitely keep doing it. I like seeing a short blurb about the video I’m watchng
I do like to hear a podcast format on conversations like this about pokemon go and about communities sharing ideas and issues on the game. I would love to hear this video as a podcast as well whilr grinding and playing Pokemon Go.
Yo, Nick! I completely agree with your views regarding spoofers and people who use multiple accounts but it makes me sad to see that Brandon thinks it's alright to use 6 accounts to take down a gym. Any person who uses more than 1 account to take down a gym is already having an unfair advantage to someone who plays the game following Niantic's rules. =(
Love these kind of talks. One on one.
Anyone using words like hypocrite and cheater, need to step back and look at yourselves and those you idolize. Michael Jordan the greatest basketball player ever, was considered by his peers to be one of the worst trash talkers and slickest cheaters. Its not just Russian Olympians who are guilty of doping for the Olympics, they just got caught. The difference in being the best in the word at something and being a cheater, is being caught. It doesn't make things right but that's the world we live in, the victors write the history books. Remember that before spitting on someone like Brandon Tan, who just loves PoGo. He makes his living and lives his life for PoGo. There is not a human out there who cant be condemned for something that someone else thinks is stupid. Grow up people, none of this actually matters. ;)
I liked this format, Nick. It's nice to have a longer video every now and then where you or others get to go in depth on certain topics.
That was amazing and informative. Don’t worry the sound was so good, I can hear the Go Plus going off in the background 😊 Thanks Nick.
So in one breath Nick says "I understand life's not fair" because he can fly around the world to play while rural players can't even get enough players to beat a T3 gym, but then complains that he walks 20 minutes to a gym when a spoofer can go there instantly and knock him out. There's no gray area here...you're either 100% legit or you accept that people play the game their way. Multiple accounts are okay but spoofing isn't? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!
1. Multiple Account User Trading with Himself: Do you think it's fair if a guy has 6 accounts and sees a Larvitar spawn, then he transfers 5 Larvitars to his main account? That's just plain wrong and cheating. Then that guy wants to compare his pokedex to someone who only has one account. It's like a baseball player taking steroids.
2. Multiple Account User Taking Gyms: How is spoofing any different from a multiple account user when it comes to gyms? Many multiple account users take gyms and then fill them up with their own accounts. Then they want to compare their gym badges to others.
3. Multiple Account Users Don't Have to Work for Raids: How is it fair that the average user, especially in smaller towns have to communicate with other users, actually have to get out and meet other players (which is fun), but multiple account users can just go to a raid by themselves and do it. They don't have to work for it. Meanwhile, many of us have to get online, ask for other users to raid, and then wait for them to get there. Sometimes, we can't do Legendary raids, because we can't get any help. Multiple account users have an unfair advantage.
Jody Wagner ... very good points!!!!
Okay.. lets break this down...
1. How the hell is someone trading with themselves and comparing their pokedex to someone else like a baseball player taking steroids? That is the worst comparison I have ever read. However, I get what you are talking about in generality of trading with yourself. However, it honestly makes no difference if he traded with himself for those 5 larvitars or if he traded 5 people for their larvitars, he'd still have 6 larvitars. People around him will still be able to catch that larvitar because his multi-accounts actually benefit spawning areas because spawning areas are still effected by cell phone activity.
2. Don't say "MANY" because i've met MANY multiple account users and I was not negatively effected by their other accounts. SOME do not answer for the MANY. But with this I agree, I don't think a person with multiple accounts should have more than one pokemon in a gym no matter how many accounts they have. This falls under my unfair usage.
3. Yes, multiple account susers do have to work for raids. They still have to have good pokemon to defeat it in the first place.. they still have to tap tap tap tap away at the screens. THe work to defeat a raid is still the same as a person with one account only multiplied. Also as an introvert meeting other players is NOT fun (so glad you think it is.. yet here you are complaining that you have to go out and find people to raid with.) A friend of mine has multiple accounts, yet i still see them in discord asking for people to raid with... unfortunately they work in areas where no one is interested in raiding... so watching them in discord channels they get ignored more than they get someone going "oh hey! yeah we're on our way! " Or even a simple "we're not in that area." would suffice but no.. straight up ignored! So I don't blame him for being self sufficient in a community that obviously has no intention on "making friends and meeting new people." If you don't want to multi-account that's fine.. but don't group all multi-accounters as horrible cheating lazy people when they have been left to raid alone! (also he still has not had ONE EX-raid invite on either account either!)
Most people in my area welcome extra accounts as it's good for raid support.
It's great when we have more people making the numbers.
Jody Wagner in my community several people have 2 or 3 accounts. One person has 5 (but only uses 3 at a time) and it’s always nice to see them show up to raids!! On a slow day with not a lot of people out it actually helps a lot to have one person acting as two or even three raiders, since that makes it so a group of 4 can take down a 4 or 5 star when they normally couldn’t. But hey, it’s all perspective! Maybe I was lucky enough to be in a community with people who don’t abuse their muliccounts.
If you think spoofing is cheating then so is having multiple accounts
Amar Sehic actually it's not because you have your still travel to the poke stops and qyms not just sit on your couch
Lol not the same at all. How is physical travel and operating 2 phones with 2 hands the same as faking gps locations ?
Mr. J because you actually have to move you cannot share items from two accounts except for trading but the point of the game is to move and get out and explore something hard to do on your couch
Lol look in Niantics ToS. Multi-accounting and sharing accounts is against the rules. You can't cherry pick what rules you think are good or bad
Katelyn Howard niantic has no way of tracking multiple accounts but spoofing looses niantic money and will be monitored while multiple accounts makes them money it's a business they will look out for profit
i liked this format very much. it was very interesting listening to you and brandon talk about your views and play styles. i'm hoping to see more of these in the future.
First time posting. I'm from a rural area and I don't spoof. There are spoofers in the area which is why we typically have private raids. It's just the way this area works. Love your channel
Multi-accounting is against how pokemon go was developed and in turn is against the way it is intended to be played.
If a raid requires a certain number of people to complete it. There is a reason for that. Finding loopholes to complete content not intended to be soloed or duoed is cheating. Whatever excuse or “intent” you may have, this is cheating regardless of the discrepancy of moral compass between players.
Spoofing, multi-accounting and using scanners should all be ban-able offenses and the leniency is the reason why you have so many of the restrictions on gyms, raids and trades have been implemented.
Also, Brandon Tan’s intent with selling catches and taking some childs spot away from a day at Go Fest? That seems malicious to me.
Play games with integrity and be a competitive purist. Cheers.
Cory Estreen jealous
The problem I have with multiple accounts is when they're used together to take down a gym or put together in a gym. In my neighbourhood somebody consistently uses multiple accounts to kick my pokemon out of the gym and then places multiple pokemon in the gym. I find this unfair to players like myself since it makes it faster and easier to kick my pokemon out, and more difficult for me to kick theirs out.
If they use multiple accounts in raids to help when there aren't many players I am fine with that. Same goes for spoofing. I am okay with people spoofing to catch pokemon (may get some pushback on this opinion) or to spin pokestops, but not to battle or take down gyms/raid bosses as this directly affects other players. The only time I think spoofing raids is okay is if you happen to get an EX pass, legitimately, are no longer in the city and spoof to get Mewtwo that you would otherwise battle in person if you were still at that location.
ScottyMcCraigles, IMHO I accept only spoofing/cheating in rural areas.
ScottyMcCraigles
What this guy said
TOS are there for a reason. Making excuses for not following them doesn't make it right.
Purist view. Nothing wrong with it either. Rules that can be broken will be broken.
That’s no different than saying the same thing for the law. So you tell me you follow every single thing the law says and I hope you are not religious because if you are I hope you follow every single thing your religion tells you to follow. If you are ignoring just one of those things you are suppose to follow then you are no different than someone who doesn’t follow all of tos. I’m gonna assume you have read every single thing on tos if not you might want to because you might be violating something
if youve used an IV calculator then you are a hypocrite.
leeadam06 I’m sorry but that is one of the worst arguments to ppl against tos supporters. Iv calculator is no different than using a regular calculator for math. If you need to figure a hard equation use a calculator since it is simpler than trying to do the whole equation in your head or write it down. I’m all for pointing out that ppl can mistakingly violate the tos but things like iv calculators do not do that. You are just plugging in the numbers and letting the calculator do the rest of the work
B-Music sorry bud but we do not get to pick and choose which TOS we like and throw out the rest. It is clearly written in niantic's tos that unauthorized software is not allowed. doesn't matter how simple you think it is, it is a violation. my point being, dont shit on the man for something he does when you (whomever is accusing) are violating the same tos. rules are rules.
Wow I love the ideas Brandon is talking about around 22:40. That should be great for us rural players
I am the only person from my town to hit level 40 so far. There are several level 38s now, but I got my motivation from Brandon Tan! Of course I grinded pidgey like crazy, but level 39 was killing me. I actually started doing wafu solo raids. I would pop a lucky egg and do 6 tier 3 raids in 30 minutes. So thank you for the motivation Brandon!
Multiple accounts is cheating and against ToS it is very clear. Doesn't matter on justification or intent it is still cheating.
Havoc the amount this dude spends on the game daily I doubt he will ever be banned
@@kerrypolson2207 as in ever does that mean in a month from your comment@ 😋
Presley Mitchell hindsight is 20/20 isn’t it?
@@kerrypolson2207 indeed. Just interesting to see where this goes. Ty for the reply btw.
I thought it was a live stream at first😂
Make an Podcast, where you talk about current pogo stuff. maybe monthly. where you invite people over teamspeak/discord
yes I agree! I'd love that
Finally had the time to sit down and watch the interview in full. Very interesting to hear his thoughts always. Great interview!!
Best and most interesting video so far! I watch all of them, but this is REALLY nice to watch and even show people that don’t play PoGo. Well done 👍🏻
In the end, multi-accounting is still breaking the ToS. Yes, it can be much more innocent than spoofing. But still, all sorts of advantages can and will arise, either as intended or as side effects. You mention possibilities for EX raid invites, which has already caused a lot of drama within my local community, but one could also consider premier ball distribution at a raid. If you do not need the extra accounts to win the raid, but the player uses them anyway, it can make the difference between one or two individual damage balls. If all their accounts are from the same team, which is not the team you're on, that's another three balls from team contribution. If all their accounts are ultra friends, they all get that boost in attack power, meaning more individual damage for them and less for you. If you add this all up, you could be missing out on about a handful of premier balls by the end of the raid. Now imagine you're facing a 100% legendary encounter after such a raid, but you only got maybe 7 balls, where this could have been at least a couple more, say 10. Those three balls could make a difference between catching that legendary Pokemon and losing it. Things like this will only stack up. Multi-accounters in my area are mass-trading everything they have to their main account. They have the craziest Lucky Pokemon compared to those who are on one account. Does it hurt me? No, until they start powering them up and take a lot of gyms with them. Or, perhaps this is getting trivial but it's there, their squad(s) of six maxed out 100% Tyranitar completely outclass(es) my attacker team during a raid. In my opinion, multi-accounting has already gotten way out of hand. I do think that it is a big problem. There are many advantages, either intended or as a side effect, and it is the main source for community drama.
Hey man don’t be a pussy
Does anyone know he charges a service to catch a legendary Pokémon in the game check his Twitter hows that better than any spoofers
SKYBLU644 naw they try to side that under the rug.
He doesbt have a job so he has to earn money somehow
@@MattDoes_Stuffs it is breaking tos
I am also conflicted about the multiple accounts. Like now. I am stuck in a rural gym about 75 km away from my home. I can't get 50 coins and been stuck now for 12 days and I am the only one in that gym ... then It might be nice for a second account to get that pokemon out. Also for raids cause even in the city it is hard to get a squad together so a lot of times we need ppl that has multiple accounts. I don't want another account but the way the game is now I am acctually more and more thinking of it cause I play solo 99,9% of the time and in rural areas. But when we talk about spoofers... NO! To spoof is not okey in my mind. It creates a lot of drama in raidgroups when I say that but I feel if ppl struggle in bad weather and do the game right and struggle in the winter, snow, rain whatever and fight the gyms and put pokemon in and to then get knocked out by a player that is bigger and stronger cause he/she sits by the computor all day instead of moving their flappy ass around.
Nina Nicklasson totally agree with you. I used to live in a rural area and couldn't get my coins every day, so I created a baby account just for knocking out my Pokemons. I don't think it's kind of cheating, you just helping yourself. So let's get it. Just create this account and do not worry about anything.
Nina Nicklasson disagree with using two accounts to consistently boost each other 50 coins. That's definitely disgusting and gives an unfair advantage.
jdzumwalt3 hun, I get stuck in gyms for weeks. most of the time I am the only one int the gym. so how is that unfair? I was truck for three months once and couldn't do anything. bot get a single coin. Noone else was playing
So U r moving ur flappy ass around daily...Can i Have a video of it
There is not even a single pokestop around 20 km for me..what should I do then..Spoof...How it will be unfair then when there are no stops/gyms/spawns...JUSTIFY THIS MISS FLAPPY ASSHOLE
Love the long/pod form, I get a lot from these videos and feel there's so much more to go! Thank you both
I hope you enjoy your tour and stay in Toronto Brandon Tan! I don't think i cant make it to the T.O. meetup but I hope you can stay for community day. Toronto loves Pokemon Go!!
I just want the spawns to be fair and not rural area I'll go to miami and nothing too good sf in cali or japan dragonite and typlosion spawns it's crazy i get pidgeys and rats alot and pretty much all junk makes it where i just dont wanna play anymore
Derek g yes I 200% agree with this
Just spoof
Manuel Lopez Spoofing is lame a defeats the purpose of the game and ruins the fun for other people who play legitimately though so.
Red Falcon Jackson thats one opinion but how does the way one person plays ruin the way another person plays its a collection game with no pvp how is spoofing hurting you some people can't afford a 3k plan ticket to Germany for safari zone but don't wanna lose out on the increased spawns if niantic made it better there wouldn't be spoofing make an in game event that you buy in game shop and it u unlocks spawns everywhere not just one specific lovation catering to the rich or well off
It’s not lame beats spending money on gas when you live in the middle of no where and the city is 40min away .on top of that you gotta spend money to do raids , if you wanna do more than one . Second spoofing actually helps some people when there’s not enough players to take down a raid . For example the event taking place in the Azores (don’t know how to spell it) , spoofers are actually helping the locals because their accounts are weak ,why? Because they live on an island with like 5 gyms
Love your videos, but have to say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. A lot of the reasoning/excuses you provided for multiple accounts could be applied to spoofing, and vice versa. People with multiple accounts take ex passes and gym slots from actual players, and effort is unfairly doubled/tripled/whatever. Having 4 accounts is the equivalent of playing one account and spoofing with another 3. You did the “work” once, and unfairly multiplied your reward. It's a mess, and not the way the game is intended to be played, which is why it's against the ToS and in Ingress it has been much more enforced. Let's not pretend that one is somehow more noble than the other.
Hang on did the work once and multiplied my reward? If I have 3 lvl 40 accounts and can solo a tier 4 raid then I’m not affecting anyone and I did the work, 3 times.
If there is an option for multi accounts or spoofing, Someone will abuse it. It's that simple. Remove the option of both. And game play is fair. Yes Nick, life is not fair. I do believe Brandon would agree that from day one. No spoofing, multi accounts banned, we all could have fun with the game. He would NOT have needed them. He might have a whole new outlook. I get both sides of the argument. For that I Blame Niantic. I also know that they are in business to make money and many play for free. Some of us pay to play and get hammered by multi account players, playing for free. If the option is there for abuse, it will happen. That is the issue Niantic needs to fix.
Couldn't agree more about the long lasting memories created by playing this game (hell, I've made some of my closest friends through Go), and it's really nice to know that so many others have experienced the same. I think we all have a "Lapras story" of some sort, haha! Love these discussion videos too. Thanks again for visiting us in Orlando Brandon! Was a blast grinding Epcot/Lake Eola. Here's looking forward to next time (and that you visit too, Nick!) P.S. Definitely mass evolved while watching this, lol.
35:00 Brandon is so good at video games that he makes the video look better with a waive of his hand!
i don't agree with Brandon Tan on this. Multiple accounts definitely against the rule. That's it
Vendy Xiao have youbused an IV calculator, then you are a hypocrite. leave the guy alone.
BS rationalizations in the multi-account segment. And with the stop sign thing too. If you make a mistake and hit someone, they won't care that you did not mean to. Multi-accounts can be every bit as bad as spoofing, all depends on how someone plays.
Is Brandon rich as hell? Like is he financially set for life already? Seems like playing this game all day and being able to fly around the world costs a lot of money and time.
For life? No. This game won't be popular in 5 years more than likely. His window to make money off this game is shrinking by the day. He does charge outrageous amounts of money for accounts he levels up and sells them.
I dunno but i hope one day he will chill and not feel the need to produce numbers. Maybe work on his ethics a bit. I don't wanna know what people and/or laws he crossed to make money because he felt he had the right to.
Thoroughly enjoyed this video and took a large amount of useful information which may or may not help me in the future but I’m happy to know it nonetheless. Big 👍🏻 to more of these in the future
Love the Interview, chill style of this vid. So much knowledge between you guys, THANK YOU!!!
Lol Brandon Tan complaining about only having 14 gyms in reach of his apartment. Meanwhile I'm 10 miles from a single pokestop xD.
Your arguments against spoofing can be equaled exactly against multiple-accounts. You really can't be against one and not against the other.
MakaraDC5 but you actually can and people do
The whole "one account per player" is as dumb as the "you're moving too fast/I'm a passenger " message you get.
Nick's views on having 2 accounts or more is that it makes you an automatic spoofer. I've raised my second account the right way as I'm sure most players have.
If many thought the way tan dose, all gaming community would be better. Ty both for your time. I enjoy your vids nick. And I've learned a lot from you and tan.
Two legends - Nick and Brandon - in the same frame. Wow!
Go Pokemon Go, gentlemen.
Multiaccounting should be banned, even more now with trading.
Guillermo R and how should it be banned? Does pkm go keep track of you using two devices?
Solsar _the_great I don't know. Maybe they can check for unbalanced Pokemon trades between two accounts over time. Or check for accounts that only do raids, or do not have a reasonable amount of km compared to other stats.
Thats kinda impossible to track. there are way to many circumstances that could lead to something that may be considered "bannable".
For instance, i traded a pidgey for a vaporeon. Just because the vaporeon was a low iv, and from a different state. they said it was fine. If i was to end up trading like that too many times, banned. Banned for people being nice.
What if there is a tri/quad lure, and i was to sit there for 3 hours and catch 200 Pokemon? and say, do that once a week. At that point id have way more captures than distance. then suddenly I'm banned for deciding to enjoy a view, and not walk my ass off?
I do appreciate the idea you have, but i think it would catch a lot of legit players with different circumstances, more so than alt accounts.
Pretty sure @spieletrend pretty much fullfils the requirements of being a level 40 player never breaking the TOS. #schilling #austrianguy
This didn’t age well…loooool! 😂🤣
Shame you didnt ask about the service he offers where he charges to catch Legendary Pokémon for peoples account
Reached Level 39 today!!! Enjoyed this video Nick and Brandon. Thanks for this and I would certainly be interested in podcast/interview type content if possible, on top of all of the other things you do Nick. Keep up the good work both of you! :)
Really enjoyed the long format, Interview style video. Would be great to see this from time to time.
More than 1/3 of my Pokedex are perfect IVs I never broke the ToS... Like that time I woke up in the middle of the night got in my car drove 15 minutes in the rain walked up some random person’s driveway and caught a 100% Dratini...just happened to be at the right place at the right time I guess! :-)
Road to the 2 Comma Club so you used a tracked?
Road to the 2 Comma Club tracker*
Using maps is against ToS though
#whoosh
Samuel Gargamel so is scanners
When a player shows up to a raid with multiple accounts, that player is helping out other raiders by giving them a chance at catching a pokemon they might not have otherwise been able to catch if it weren't for the assistance offered by the player who is breaking Niantic's ToS by having multiple accounts. How is that scenario any different from a scenario in which a player who lives in the US and cannot afford to travel spoofs to catch a Mr. Mime? Isn't the spoofer's intent the same as the scenario above, which is to give him/herself a chance of catching a pokemon that he/she would not be able to obtain if he/she did not use a form of assistance that breaks terms of service, which in this case, is spoofing? How can you justify potentially obtaining a pokemon from a raid by accepting the fact that the only reason the mon is even attainable in the first place is because it comes from the aid of someone who is breaking ToS, when it is the exact same scenario as a spoofer who gives him/herself a chance of catching a Mr. Mime by using a spoofing app, which also violates the ToS?
Exactly. I completely agree with your point
Cause spoofing is lazy. I don't mind spoofing. But enjoy being a friendless fatass. Or a respectable busy worker who has no time for games.
You focused so much in explain why you broke the rules, it is not necessary. You don't have to explain yourself , just admit that you are wrong. Do not try to blame the others, it is ridiculous saying that every level 40 had already broke the TOS, it is not true, there is not because you do , that others do to.
Besides that , good interview, good tips for players and the suggestions for pokestops submissions.
I love how Brandon acknowledges the differences environment plays in this game and how we can't compare statistics based on a value vs value basis.
I really like this format as well as your usual videos. I do love the travel videos but also the diversity between the videos is great. Keep up the good work 😊