What’s interesting is that the new android doesn’t leave or abandon his duties once he’s been converted. He’s loyal to Carl not because he HAS to, but because he WANTS to
I like the little things in this. Marcus still being welcome in the house, his new caretake Android probably staying with Carl (Carl being a good guy towards the Android's)....
5:10 - *"You're my son, Markus... Our blood isn't the same colour... but I know a part of me is in you.. When the world falls into darkness, some men have the courage to lead it out... You're one of those men. Face the abyss... but don't let it consume you."* Powerful words.
@@tivertoans9645 no, no. It's metaphorical. When someone has a kid or adopts one, they say they see parts of them in the child, like a part of their soul, their mannerisms etc. It's a saying
Corrupted Cyborg pushing Leo might not be the most pacific option but in the end Carl ends up alive and Leo gets better, so I don't think it's a bad option, I would easily pick that. After all, in that scene, Markus is supposed to disobey the "don't move" order to break with his programming and start being a deviant, so it seems like it's the way it's meant to be played
Pecko☆ but we also need to understand that being deviant doesn’t necessarily mean to be violent, he chose to break the order but still chose to not act violent based on his own free will, I think that was painful but beautiful
"Dad dont leave me." "Youre my son Markus." This made my heart ache, even though I love Hank and Connor's son amd father relationship. Markus and Carl's are definitely more believable.
Holy shit. Pushing Leo is honestly the best choice. Leo survives. Carl survives. Markus can reunite with Carl. In that first instance being non violent is completely wrong.
One thing's different. In the other ending, visiting the gravesite, its easier to imagine that Leo has changed in regard to the plight of androids. Not certain, but I get more of that vibe. In this ending, however, Carl is sympathetic but he's going to die soon anyway, and Leo is making promises but I have doubts he's so serious. This ending is perfectly symbolic of getting your initial gratification instead of retaining bigger lessons and paying bigger costs.
Carl's and Markus' bond is so underrated. Like I love Hank and Connor bromance and Kara's and Alice's bond but Markus and Carl's takes the cake for me. Their father and son bond is so heartwarming and Carl deserves more recognition ToT
Carl has lived long enough to see the idiocy of the world on loop and knows who has the strength to break the loop. Its why he nurtured Markus to be his own man. He knew Markus had what it takes to make be choices
Because thats what youre supposed to do. If youre ordered "dont defend yourself" then deviate, and then still not defend yourself, thats the bad option
This made me so emotional and moved my heart, the fact that they connect with each other on a deep respectful, and beautiful level makes me happy to see no judgement in the scene at all
I feel as though the first scene in which you decide whether or not to use violence, Carl tests you. He tells you that you need to stand up for yourself moments prior to the events, and then tells you not to defend yourself. As if testing whether or not an android can think for their own well-being or if so much as an order makes them weak and obedient. It's a deserving punishment for the player to lose Carl for ignoring his advice.
But at the same time, it's also very human to act to his wishes. You know that Leo is his son and he asks you not to do anything, so it's fair to say that some people would also react that way. Some would push back, others would endure, I wouldn't call that a punishment per se, it's just how the situation rolls and how you deal in the heat of the moment.
FutureRail Productions yes it is. Pushing Leo doesn't really have an impact later, but to be completely pacifist you need to keep everything after the point of pushing Leo non-violent, no matter the situation.
@@FutureRailProductions Actually, the only way to see Carl again is to push Leo. If you refuse to fight back, Carl will have a heart attack and Leo will blame you for his death. So despite Markus having the potential to be an advocate of peace and tolerance, for him to provide the best ending for his own family, he has to give in to his very human desire to fight back just that one time.
Carl knew he nurtured the soul of humanity in Markus well. The books, the chess, the proverbs. All had purpose. Carl very obviously intended for Markus to be his own man. "One day I won't be here to protect you." The chess taught Markus strategy and compromise. The books taught him philosophy, irony, and "the golden rule" (see Aladdin)
Muny Reach if you look in one of the magazines it says that after years of drugs Carl has returned to art or something like that . Maybe it was Leo's upbringing that drove him to the person he had become under drugs.
Markus' face when he sees the alarm is still set to deactivate for him! Carl has no doubt seen what Markus is doing on the news and left the door unlocked for him to come home. 😭😭😭
Carl was wonderful. Even when Markus had started an uprising, an entire revolution and civil war, which Carl almost definitely knew about, he still gave what honest advice he could. Even when Markus puts his son into a coma, and Carl is trying to hold his son, he's still concerned about Markus's safety: "Go, they'll kill you, you have to go!"
Hearing him call Markus his son reminded me so much of Lance Henricksen's other role as Kerchek in Tarzan when he finally called Tarzan his son before dying, which really made my heart ache
i literally cried at this bit when i played this such beautiful scene the relationship between Markus and Carl was so special and sweet you can see how much they care about each other like father and son relationship best game i played i got best ending everyone survived and got best ending as well
DBH has so many nice and touching scenes...it shows the future,how the world will become and also teaching us so many things.i havent played the game long enough but carl is by far my favorite character in the game right now
Carl was my overall favorite character. He was like a true father to Markus and when i saw him die I felt markus's pain like he was my dad. This game was very interesting and amazing
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." sure seems like it
Seeing Markus and Carl's story arc, it makes more sense for Markus' character to be full on pacifist. He's been guided by Carl all through out his life so it seems out of character for Markus to lead a violent revolution imo.
Spoiler Warning: Not to me, not after the humans started killing the androids without cause in Freedom March and went full Nazi on the androids. (I don't condone shooting cops in the back or when they're disarmed though) Though a violent revolution is only practical if Connor becomes deviant and joins Jericho. That way the androids have the numbers and military strength to actually stand a chance against the humans. Otherwise forget it.
You're my son Markus, our blood isn't the same color, but I know a part of me is in you.......that line gave me goosebumps......dont give in to the abyss
3:05 This is the only android that is "freed" but still chooses to remain and at its post. That's actually interesting since every other robot immediately jumps on the rebellion movement. I know it's because Carl is super kind to all his machines but it does make me notice how this was a point that David Cage could have explored more in this game.
@@tidan4575 But Kara always knew Alice was an android even before she went deviant. She's not following Todd's orders, she's taking care of her own kind. It's a bad twist and one a producer should have fought Cage on.
I think it's because he loves Markus so much that he cant bear watching Markus get hurt, thats why he gets a heart attack. On the other hand if u fight back, his asshole son gets beat instead and I think Carl loves him less, which is why he wont get a heart attack.
w oz he was having a heart attack right at that moment. And being forced to continuously yell at Leo to make him stop pushed him to the point where he practically choked.
As this part is one of the more powerful scenes in the game, for me,.the developers should have added a clincher line to what Carl said to Markus (acknowledging him as his "son"). Somewhere along the lines of "Thank you, Dad. I won't forget."
This scene had me becoming so sad.. from the beginning of the game I felt I regret pushing Leo at first only to realise it was better. Seeing Karl and Markus reunite is heartbreaking and the emotion between the two is brilliant
What’s interesting is that the new android doesn’t leave or abandon his duties once he’s been converted. He’s loyal to Carl not because he HAS to, but because he WANTS to
Sarah shows how Carl respect and cares for the Androids
Sarah I'm literally thinking the same lol
Would you abandon a dying man? I wouldn’t.
Skythes maybe if you were one of those androids that despise humans and want to be violent with them (like North), the answer would be yes
Pecko☆ But North is... North.
"You're my son, Markus" 😭😭😭😭😭
Why tf does this have no replies.
That part got me.
Imagination
You're still alive mate
I'm not okay :C
I wish Markus said " your my dad, Carl "
I like the little things in this. Marcus still being welcome in the house, his new caretake Android probably staying with Carl (Carl being a good guy towards the Android's)....
Carl keeping the painting markus made.
5:10 - *"You're my son, Markus... Our blood isn't the same colour... but I know a part of me is in you.. When the world falls into darkness, some men have the courage to lead it out... You're one of those men. Face the abyss... but don't let it consume you."* Powerful words.
*cries loudly*
what part (rises eye brow)
@@tivertoans9645 all of it
@@natralskitsophrenia8465 no i meant like what part of carl is it (rises eye brows)
@@tivertoans9645 no, no. It's metaphorical. When someone has a kid or adopts one, they say they see parts of them in the child, like a part of their soul, their mannerisms etc. It's a saying
*"Alarm deactivated. Welcome home, Markus."*
:(
@@ajarabegum6865 how is that sad?
@@acer4pidacer4pid15 Carl could delete Markus record but he didn't
@@chinweicong6844 yeah he didn’t delete his record so how is that sad lul
@@acer4pidacer4pid15 cause Carl still wish Markus to came back
Lol apparently whooping Leo ass was the right choice all along
he did deserve it anyway lmao
I went with the 100% pacifist and Carl dies, Carls right there are no easy answers.
Corrupted Cyborg pushing Leo might not be the most pacific option but in the end Carl ends up alive and Leo gets better, so I don't think it's a bad option, I would easily pick that. After all, in that scene, Markus is supposed to disobey the "don't move" order to break with his programming and start being a deviant, so it seems like it's the way it's meant to be played
I agree with you. In the end pushing leo helps everyone.
Pecko☆ but we also need to understand that being deviant doesn’t necessarily mean to be violent, he chose to break the order but still chose to not act violent based on his own free will, I think that was painful but beautiful
Markus literally gets the coolest outfit by the end of the game. He looks like a Paladin or something.
CoreOfTheStar Paladins are gay and look nothing like this.
Markus looks like a messiah which is a great symbolism since he is the hope of his kind.
Ashwath Toontown no u
Nah he looks more like a super futuristic Hokage
CoreOfTheStar p
"Dad dont leave me."
"Youre my son Markus."
This made my heart ache, even though I love Hank and Connor's son amd father relationship. Markus and Carl's are definitely more believable.
K A K A when does he say "dad don't leave me?"
ItzBecky Thomas In the route where Carl dies, when Carl is about to die on the floor Markus says “Dad don’t leave me.”
K A K A tbh I kinda feel like Connor and Hank or more like best friends than Son and father
KakaPHD Markus x Carl.
Cirilla Model RK2200 oh hell naw
Holy shit. Pushing Leo is honestly the best choice.
Leo survives.
Carl survives.
Markus can reunite with Carl.
In that first instance being non violent is completely wrong.
That one Crow Leo survives?
Alice Mapache Nightray Yeah.
Didn’t you see the beginning of the video where Markus looks at an unread message sent from Leo to Carl?
leo probably got a concussion or something. It seemed like it killed him but the message proves different.
One thing's different. In the other ending, visiting the gravesite, its easier to imagine that Leo has changed in regard to the plight of androids. Not certain, but I get more of that vibe. In this ending, however, Carl is sympathetic but he's going to die soon anyway, and Leo is making promises but I have doubts he's so serious. This ending is perfectly symbolic of getting your initial gratification instead of retaining bigger lessons and paying bigger costs.
Life is complicated, man. Violence IS sometimes the answer, but's really hard to know when.
" Face the abyss, but don't let it consume you "
Could we take a moment to appreciate the person who wrote the script.
that's where batman failed
@@lenoirtnb4077 he didn't fail but he has come close to it many times
@@Dabajaws nah he failed. he failed alot.
@@lenoirtnb4077 depends which media you're talking about
This is a quote countries need to hear.
Carl's and Markus' bond is so underrated. Like I love Hank and Connor bromance and Kara's and Alice's bond but Markus and Carl's takes the cake for me. Their father and son bond is so heartwarming and Carl deserves more recognition ToT
This is not bromance. This is family relationship. The real bromance is between me and Connor.
Carl has lived long enough to see the idiocy of the world on loop and knows who has the strength to break the loop.
Its why he nurtured Markus to be his own man. He knew Markus had what it takes to make be choices
Welcome home, Markus 😭
When we push Leo we have a better ending.
North sup north✌
Fight the wicked, not the innocent
Because thats what youre supposed to do. If youre ordered "dont defend yourself" then deviate, and then still not defend yourself, thats the bad option
Yes:/ i realised now:/ i didnt pish leo
True
5:10 this part literally impacted me harder than Connor and Hank's Bromance
it's a tie for me, this is incredibly heartwarming but i love the bromance too
When you don't push Leo, Carl dies and i cried omg. Markus and Carl's bond is so underrated!!!
Yesss Bromancee
Fenixgames : GD
I think I fucked it up. For me, hank ends up shooting connor. Later, Connor goes to see hank and he committed suicide :/
"Our blood isn't the same color..." And this time literally.
Which is ironic, seeing as how one of the easiest sayings against racism is "We all bleed the same color".
Carl is such a good man... if only more people were like him in this world
the world would be a wiser and better place
This made me so emotional and moved my heart, the fact that they connect with each other on a deep respectful, and beautiful level makes me happy to see no judgement in the scene at all
Carl: You're my son, Markus.
Me: *heart shatters*
I feel as though the first scene in which you decide whether or not to use violence, Carl tests you. He tells you that you need to stand up for yourself moments prior to the events, and then tells you not to defend yourself. As if testing whether or not an android can think for their own well-being or if so much as an order makes them weak and obedient.
It's a deserving punishment for the player to lose Carl for ignoring his advice.
yes
But at the same time, it's also very human to act to his wishes. You know that Leo is his son and he asks you not to do anything, so it's fair to say that some people would also react that way. Some would push back, others would endure, I wouldn't call that a punishment per se, it's just how the situation rolls and how you deal in the heat of the moment.
Jesus Christ its Jesus Christ
If you choose anger 2 times while talking to Carl, he'll die.
You know, I really expected him to die right there. Props to them for a cliche dodge.
They do if you're violent through the game.
Numpty Cunt if you chose the anger option, he dies
It seems more "canon" that Markus would push Leo. Markus' deviant scene involves no deviancy if he just follows Carl's orders and stays put.
Cherrie Getison well Markus respects Carl, deviant or not, so it makes sense for him one gaining free will to _choose_ to obey carl
If I was in that position, I would've pushed Leo. Now we're even I'd say.
Lmao the description
But he does that so they can have freedom but to other it's a civil war nonetheless
Carl is a good man.
Hank Agree
Hank you should visit him and bring conor with you
hashim warawrah I will do it.
Hank he’s also an amazing artist
Good boi
I only wish that markus said "I love you Dad" as he walked out he door.
Wait, Carl doesn't have to die?!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo, I killed him, I want this ending. ;-;
wait how did you kill him???
Tanisha M Browne don't push Leo
Hazyworld I see he didn't die in mine story
@@tanishambrowne1137 Did you push Leo?
IPAWS2018 yes I ended up pushing him that bastard deserve it
Carl is the wisest human character
A wise human can help, if you accept it.
Best word from this game is Carl's advice!
remindes me of flemeth's line for the Dragon age 2 trailer. With the whole Abyss thing
I so glad because Carl still alive
If you push Leo he survive.
Is it possible to be a hundred percent pacifist but still kick Leo's ass and see Carl again?
FutureRail Productions yes it is. Pushing Leo doesn't really have an impact later, but to be completely pacifist you need to keep everything after the point of pushing Leo non-violent, no matter the situation.
Lewis Jones Thanks!
@@FutureRailProductions Actually, the only way to see Carl again is to push Leo. If you refuse to fight back, Carl will have a heart attack and Leo will blame you for his death. So despite Markus having the potential to be an advocate of peace and tolerance, for him to provide the best ending for his own family, he has to give in to his very human desire to fight back just that one time.
I'm glad I pushed him since it allowed the father and son to get close again
I went to his grave instead
Kaito .X .otaku that's cuz you didn't push leo
Looks like a true movie will go
Carl died on November 5, and was buried before November 10
Pretty efficient if you ask me
@@Chickenworm9394 just like the kittens!
Carl knew he nurtured the soul of humanity in Markus well. The books, the chess, the proverbs. All had purpose.
Carl very obviously intended for Markus to be his own man. "One day I won't be here to protect you."
The chess taught Markus strategy and compromise. The books taught him philosophy, irony, and "the golden rule" (see Aladdin)
The relationship between Markus and Carl is so touching. It gets me everytime. I'm crying again😭
I think that Leo is not a bad person, it's just that he was being influenced by drugs.
Muny Reach if you look in one of the magazines it says that after years of drugs Carl has returned to art or something like that . Maybe it was Leo's upbringing that drove him to the person he had become under drugs.
Did you see his reaction to his father dying?: *dabs at corpse* "lmao Markus you goofed it up I'm getting outta here fast as fuck boi 🏃♂️💨🤣👌💯"
Sema Reyes that's a lotta emojis
Merple Turple He said them emojis tho
Including Zlatko?
Markus' face when he sees the alarm is still set to deactivate for him! Carl has no doubt seen what Markus is doing on the news and left the door unlocked for him to come home. 😭😭😭
Carl is the only one that appreciates Androids
And Rose
hank but only at the end
@Wowie Zowie adam
I guess now everyone will change there choices in the beginning lol
I've already whooped Leo from the beginning
My World good choice 🙂
yup
Kiryu chab
*The beauty of Carl's wisdom is so true and sweet. I love it so much. Makes my cry every single time.*
Carl was wonderful. Even when Markus had started an uprising, an entire revolution and civil war, which Carl almost definitely knew about, he still gave what honest advice he could. Even when Markus puts his son into a coma, and Carl is trying to hold his son, he's still concerned about Markus's safety: "Go, they'll kill you, you have to go!"
Man, General Shepherd can be a nice guy when he's not in the military.
No way! Didn't know he played Shepherd
I still miss roach and ghost :(
No, David Brandon George plays Shepherd, while Lance Henrikson plays Carl. Totally different.
He was atoning for betraying Task Force 141, that's why he was so kind to Markus lmao
@@milesperhour9256 they do sound the same though
So Markus always tries to console with Carl when it comes to a certain point wow
Wow
Amazing
"You're my son Markus" Alright I started crying at that point.
Hearing him call Markus his son reminded me so much of Lance Henricksen's other role as Kerchek in Tarzan when he finally called Tarzan his son before dying, which really made my heart ache
“Welcome home Markus”
Me 30 hours into playing this game: 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Girls : Ive never seen a Guy cry Its like they lack emotions
"Alarm Deactivated, Welcome home markus"
Guys : T_T *sniff*
i literally cried at this bit when i played this such beautiful scene the relationship between Markus and Carl was so special and sweet you can see how much they care about each other like father and son relationship best game i played i got best ending everyone survived and got best ending as well
"welcome home Markus"
sHET WHO IS CUTTING THE ONIONS
The cops just shot Markus and didn't question what happened
"Face the abyss... but don't let it consume you..."
Wise old words from a wise old man...
As someone who has never had a loving father, the look on Carl's face after Markus tells him how much he missed him...brings me to tears.
Carl makes the name “Markus” sound like “Markers”
"Face the abyss, but dont let it consume you"
.....Inspirational words
“Alarm de-activated, welcome home Markus”
😭😭😭😭
okay but can we talk about how carl left markus in the system in case he was alive so he could come home
This actually made me cry like 😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😢😭😢😭😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😢😭😢😭😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢😭😢
Carl accepts Markus as a living person. That is why he is probably the most important person in Markus’s life
I saw the thumbnail and title before I finished the game before I saw any endings and thought Markus would end up back with Carl ;((
KT CherryPie I'm sure that if Markus survives, he still regularly visits Carl.
He is my favorite character
DBH has so many nice and touching scenes...it shows the future,how the world will become and also teaching us so many things.i havent played the game long enough but carl is by far my favorite character in the game right now
*Markus stands in front of the door*
Door:"Welcome home Markus"
*Markus smiles*
*I cry a lot*
"face the abyss but dont let it consume you"
my god.... quote of the year
Their relationship is so awesome. I love Markus and Carl.
5:10 YOU BETTER STOP IT RIGHT NOW, CARL!!!! YOU MAKE ME CRYING LIKE A BABY!!! 😢😢😢😢😢
Carl was my overall favorite character. He was like a true father to Markus and when i saw him die I felt markus's pain like he was my dad. This game was very interesting and amazing
"Face the abyss but don't let it consume you"
Is this the story of Artorias?
Is this a Dark Souls reference?
Nede LVI Hmmm
I’m pretty sure he’s referencing Nietzsche.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." sure seems like it
Seeing Markus and Carl's story arc, it makes more sense for Markus' character to be full on pacifist. He's been guided by Carl all through out his life so it seems out of character for Markus to lead a violent revolution imo.
Spoiler Warning:
Not to me, not after the humans started killing the androids without cause in Freedom March and went full Nazi on the androids. (I don't condone shooting cops in the back or when they're disarmed though) Though a violent revolution is only practical if Connor becomes deviant and joins Jericho. That way the androids have the numbers and military strength to actually stand a chance against the humans. Otherwise forget it.
Whoever researched the vital sign monitor got the colors correct but the actual vitals shown are wrong af.
You're my son Markus, our blood isn't the same color, but I know a part of me is in you.......that line gave me goosebumps......dont give in to the abyss
3:05 This is the only android that is "freed" but still chooses to remain and at its post. That's actually interesting since every other robot immediately jumps on the rebellion movement. I know it's because Carl is super kind to all his machines but it does make me notice how this was a point that David Cage could have explored more in this game.
What about the relationship between Kara and Alice? Kara chose to remain at Alice's side, even when she became deviant.
@@tidan4575 But Kara always knew Alice was an android even before she went deviant. She's not following Todd's orders, she's taking care of her own kind. It's a bad twist and one a producer should have fought Cage on.
i am confused
why would carl survive if markus defend himself against leo?
why wouldn't he have a heart attack in this way?
Maybe he wouldn't be as stressed
I think it's because he loves Markus so much that he cant bear watching Markus get hurt, thats why he gets a heart attack. On the other hand if u fight back, his asshole son gets beat instead and I think Carl loves him less, which is why he wont get a heart attack.
w oz he was having a heart attack right at that moment. And being forced to continuously yell at Leo to make him stop pushed him to the point where he practically choked.
w oz He still can have a heart attack in this scene if Markus yells at Carl and tells him how much he hates humans.
w oz you need to stop comparing different endings. That’s it.
"Hackett out"
Very emotional..
2018, the best year in gaming history.
Carl - a dad you ever want
Hank - a friend you ever have
" Face the abyss, but don't let it consume you "
Carl is obviously a fan of Knight Artorias from Dark Souls.
This part of the game is beautiful
"Face the abyss.....but don't let it consume you" ayy....artorias : (
"it's like me ..... Too old and it needs to end"
Feels are real
A scientist once told me: never accept the world for what it appears to be, dare to see it for what it could be
"markus... i don't feel so good..."
As this part is one of the more powerful scenes in the game, for me,.the developers should have added a clincher line to what Carl said to Markus (acknowledging him as his "son"). Somewhere along the lines of
"Thank you, Dad. I won't forget."
can we just appreciate how wise carl is
This scene had me becoming so sad.. from the beginning of the game I felt I regret pushing Leo at first only to realise it was better. Seeing Karl and Markus reunite is heartbreaking and the emotion between the two is brilliant
"You're my son, Markus." Pfft, I'm not sad...The feels trip was meant to be next week...
Even when Carl is passed away
The question are still the same
Was I the only one that always thought Markus killed Leo?
I thought Leo was dead at first, too, because of the way his eyes are stuck open after he hits his head.
I like most of Carl’s advice his a great guy :)
Carl was my favorite character in my first playthrough when I watched him die.
Making a different choice didn't change that.
if you lead jerico into violence, or show anger to him, he dies due to heart attack.
For me Markus story with Carl are more sad than Kara Alice
"You're my son, Markus" beautiful
The alarm deactivated when Markus arrived. So Carl was waiting for him :(
Oh Carl, he is one of my fav characters in the game, he is just Super inspiring
Life is not having easy answers. I believe it
Leaving my onions right behind me..
Face the abyss... but don't let it consume you
Carl: face the abyss
Me: oh and mind the watchers
0:57 - I had a dream that I would record my parent's last words of advice through a tape recorder or something like that...
It's creepy sh*t.
Hoooly shit,I didn't expect that to lead pushing Leo!
This made me cry so much.