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One of the clues I was always think about is in episode 4 when Jason/Jianyu says, “Everyone thinks I'm Taiwanese. I'm Filipino. That's racist. Heaven is so racist.”
To be fair, they said they didn't know what anyone on Earth looked like. I mean Good Elanor/Vicky was an Indian woman. I took the statement 'taiwanese monk' as to be a monk from Taiwan.
Also in the first episode, Eleanor says: "I was an only child. My parents were divorced when I was a kid. They were both crummy people so they're probably in the bad place. Maybe they're being used to torture each other. It would work." Which is genuinely what's happening to them. She thinks like Michael and that's why she's the one who can figure it out.
@@aprilkanawa7577 i think what the comment meant was that when Eleanor said her parents would be able to torture each other by themselves, she ended up describing michaels experiment (since he’s getting eleanor and the others to torture themselves). so the comment is pointing out how michael and eleanor think similarly
@@aprilkanawa7577 Her mom did fake her death though, so Elenor thought she was dead at the time. She finds out that her mom’s still alive in season 3 I think?
My favourite scene is when she figures out it the bad place. Ted Dansons character switch is absolutely amazing. You instantly go from liking him to seeing him as a bad guy
At the very beginning in Michael's office, when he's telling Eleanor she's in the Good Place, he takes a pause right before he tells her and, in hindsight, you can see him barely suppressing an evil grin, and his eyes are pure malevolence. It's kinda silly how obvious it is when you know!
Yes, and it really sets the tone for the whole show. I always felt a bit uneasy about the very saccharine feel of the supposed Good Place; it should have tipped me off.
@@j.s.7335 the show always had me on the edge thinking about how everytime ealenor tried something to get out of her predicament it lead to even more suffering. i was kind of miffed every time i watched an episode
No, that is called confirmation bias. It is “obvious” only when we know the answer… then we look for things that confirm the idea we already have (whether the idea is correct or not.)
I rewatched season 1 and one of the biggest clue that i miss is michael titling the blue print "the good place" with the quotes instead of just the good place
@@slushpuppie19 no, the reveal was when Eleanor said “This is the bad place.” This happened after we saw the blueprint with the good place in quotes. If you tell me that you guessed it by that then I wouldn’t believe you.
@@officialthreegang Ok you're right it's not the actual *reveal* but when we see Michael in flashback creating his neighbourhood and calling it '"The Good Place" - a bold new plan' we do 100% realise that things are not as we've been told, this is when we first truly realise Michael is not telling us the truth. We know it's not the first neighbourhood that exists. So why is Michael calling this "The Good Place"? Why is this revolutionary? If he's a good place architect, this doesn't make sense. This is the moment the viewer realises they have been lied to by Michael.
@@slushpuppie19 it's implied it was revolutionary because it was the first one where the architect actually lived in it. We then learn it was just a lie and the actual revolution comes from the fact that it's actually the bad place
Well it's ironic then that (spoiler alert last season) In the real good place you can do whatever you want at any time and it creates a bunch of zombies who are bored all the time because they don't care to do anything because they've done everything. So funny enough a small change like scheduling events rather than allowing people to do whatever, whenever might have helped with that problem
@@jesilynmc why wouldn't they just allow the zombies to reset their memories like Michael did in the bad place so many times? Is the good place even the good place? 😭
@@jesilynmc This is actually what i found really annoying about the ending of the show. Michaels 'good place' design was actually a perfect blueprint for an actual good place, it would keep things interesting, with random scheduled events and what not, all they'd have to do is take out the literal torture element and it was perfect. I always assumed that was going to be the ironic solution which would have been poetic. them heavily leaning into the suicide angle instead was kind of fucked.
@@Ghost-Mom I loved the ending they went with. They give you time enough to do what you want, what you need, and when you decide you're ready, you walk through a door to peace. Death becomes something you don't have to fear. You still get to enjoy all heaven has to offer, but no one was meant to live forever. Time enough is a pretty beautiful idea of heaven.
In th first episode, Eleanor ask Michael who's in the bad place and Michael says Picasso and Mozart. Later on at the party the background music is actually Mozart and one of the consequences of the party is that Glenn has the face transformed into a cubic painting....
Why is it Mozart in the bad place? I know about Picasso being misogynistic, but I tried to Google what Mozart did or thought, and I couldn't find anything...
I honestly didn't catch any of these clues during my first watching because I thought Eleanor and Jason not being there was the reason for all the problems, even when Chidi got his first of many stomach aches.
That's why this show is so clever! In the first episode it "tells" you why everything is supposed to be wrong because eleanor is there, meaning that most people don't actually think about why things are happening because they just assume it's because of eleanor. Smort.
@@sims2lovealot See that still made me suspicious, like I got the bad stuff wad because they weren’t planned for… but it’s heaven! They’re omniscient! If they had said “Yeah this has happened before” I’d be like “Weird but okay” but somehow in ALL of human existence, THIS is the first time anything like this has happened? I didn’t expect WHY though!
Let's review the things Michael repeatedly did: -telling Chidi his life's work was trash, -forcing Chidi into decisions and activities he was not comfortable with, -constantly trolling Eleanor that he is about to discover her secret, -constantly making Tahani (corrected) feel bad for making an inappropriate choice at her parties, especially at his 'retirement' ceremony, -pretending to be spinelessly accomodating to the demons as an excuse to trash Tahani's place and finally: -in general, saying the least appropriate and helpful thing on just about every occasion.
Another clue: In season 1, it was revealed that Janets go offline when they cross the realm. But, Michael was able to call Bad Janet easily while sitting in Tahani’s house. A subtle reference to the fact they were actually in bad place all along & bad janet is easily accessible there.
One of the biggest clues for me was when they flashed back to Eleanor dying, “real Eleanor” wasn’t there to try and rescue her.🤔 Also, Teacup getting punted into the sun is both hilarious and sad.
If I recall correctly, in the footage of the “real” Eleanor’s amazing, selfless life from her 1st person POV, you can see her hand is white if you watch carefully.
@@bannedprofile7553 my headcanon is that the demon made janet make teacup because she did actually want a pet. Making her "teacup doesn't love me?" Reaction genuine as well as Michael's dog punting.
Yes!! This was the best giveaway of all. Eleanor said it right in the first episode. She basically gave away the whole show, and everyone just missed it.
@@davineuskens21 She realized that using people to torture people would be something they do in the bad place, as Jason talking about it as a prank show
@@waltergc5443 I understand this, but I don't remember her talking about her parents and how that relates to giving the plot away since on the pilot both of her parents were alive. I'm lost lol
@@davineuskens21 (only her mother is still alive, her father died years before everything started) first episode, Eleanor gets drunk dead, and Chidi takes her to clown house, then she starts talking about how her parents were douchebags and they hated each other, then she says, maybe they are torturing each other down there, Chidi is being tortured by Eleanor in that exact moment.
one of the best plot twists on tv imo. it’s one of those plot twists that needs no explanation, cause as soon it’s revealed you’re like, “ohhh DUH how did i not see that??” truly ingenious
For me, the biggest clue in hindsight was the 'bad' writing. Everything was just so conveniently written. Bart and Nina (were those their names?) being a marriage counseler and identity fraud inspector, for example. It felt like these plot points were just written in because the show needed conflict, but of course, someone WAS trying to create conflict
the biggest clue i found was when Michael told Chidi his manuscript was terrible and Chidi said "Michael knows everything" and I'm assuming, an architect would be assumed to know everything. But then Elanor goes, "Michael does not know everything. Michael doesn't know I'm not supposed to be here"... he should know that as the architect and the fact that he didn't was the biggest foreshadowing for me
That whole episode is pretty obvious on second viewing. Michael trashes Chidi's life's work in front of him and then takes him on a tour of hobbies specifically catered against his personality. It's played as Michael just being overly earnest, but he knows everything about Chidi, he definitely knows *cartography* would be miserable for him!
I don't know if this counts as a clue but during my first watch of Season 1, I thought it was strange that Janet was ALWAYS available every time they called on her. If the other people were truly Good Place residents, wouldn't they have had occasional requests as well? (at the time I just chalked it up to the fact that they were the Main Characters).
I have to agree, once they get to the good place there are multiple Janets...but in this neighborhood of 322 she only really had to pay attention to those 4 when she wasnt being in charge of an activity...
the first time i watched it i started feeling like something was wrong when michael said that the book chidi had worked so hard on was terrible and he threw it away
And kicking the dog was such an obvious clue. It's one of the most common ways to show that a character is evil in a story. I can't believe I missed it.
Because the explanation is plausible. A fraught, first-time architect freaking out over his potential failure and trying his best to correct any and all mistakes. It's incredibly relatable and we can sympathize with him. We just never stop and go "wait, why would he kick it into the sun and not just blip it out peacefully?" the first time we see it.
not an obvious clue at all. eternal beings have different views. very possible action someone immortal might do, especially since everything is possible.
I love how even though it was the bad place, Michael was always wholesome at his core because his first chance at designing, and instead of real awful painful torture, he decided to inconvenience them😂 like his idea of torture was frozen yogurt 😂😂
I always found it funny how a lot of the tortures were so cartoonish or mild. I've always had the theory that the Bad Place we saw (not just the "Good Place" neighborhood but everything) was actually the Normal Place (including Mindy St. Clair's "Medium Place", which is suspiciously just a train ride away) and we never actually saw the Bad Place, and that they told everyone there that they were in the Bad Place to protect them so that they don't get curious and end up trying to get a peek at the real Bad Place (where truly evil people ended up), which could have nightmarish consequences. That's just my theory, though.
I was watching and I just noticed something about Janets! Bad Janets always appear to the right of the person who calls her. Thats why when the demons were in the "good place" and they called for Janet the dude looked to the right. Good Janets always appear to the left of the person who call her. Like when Chidi called Janet in the beginning to get information on the Bad Place. So when Bad Janet takes Good Janets spot in the Test Subject Good Place she always appears to the right!
Ok i know its faked but i have to say, everytime i see the look of panic on michaels face when the girl goes "Teacup doesnt love me?" I lose it. Its just so freakin funny to me
Even before I got to the end of the first season I thought it was weird that they would have to do chores like dishes, laundry and cleaning up garbage. You’d think it could be done magically in paradise. I also thought it was strange that the party in episode 1 could run out of shrimp like it’s a finite resource when Janet can clearly produce whatever she wants out of nothing. It made so much sense that it was the bad place.
When Stan Smith dies in American Dad he’s greeted to the afterlife with Ice Cream in any flavor that he wanted as a way to cheer him up. It definitely wouldn’t have been frozen yogurt lol
Tahani was so obviously a bad person she was the biggest clue for me, always trying to get validation and recognition for every little good thing she does, then not being given that validation when she tries extra hard (with selfish motives) and put towards the BOTTOM of the list. And she just happens to stumble across said list, Extremely clever!! (Also Elenor guessed from the start that she was a bad person secretly)
I just thought Tahani being such an obviously bad person was going to be part of a twist that all four of the main characters were actually supposed to be in the Bad Place, but Tahani and Chidi hadn't realized they were also mixups. I was SO CLOSE.
Especially since they said it didn't matter what Eleanor did to earn points because her motivation was corrupt and that was so clearly also the case for Tahani. But I just thought it was a plot hole.
I never held Tahani's flaws against her. I assumed she wasnt always pleasant to be around but she did devote her life to fundraising for people who needed it. I never considered it a negative that she figured out how to channel her ego and self aggrandizing into helping people along the way. She raised over 60 billion in findraising and helped countless lives across the world. She is a super hero and deserves the highest seat in the good place. Being snooty and vain doesnt take anything away from that in my eyes.
Also at the restaurant opening Jason gets tofu and Eleanor doesn’t get anything wich is kinda obvious but chidi gets his favourite meal and says “almost makes me forget how miserable I am right now” showing how despite getting his favourite meal he’s also not happy
After elanors reveal it all makes perfect sense. the torture, the sounds, 0:43 the two background characters heard it but acted casual, and not to mention chidi stomach aches
One that I often think about is how after Michael pretended to feel useless in front of Tahani and Jason, Jason put his hand on Michael’s chest and stared at him, and Michael was like, ‘Oh, yOu’rE rIghT! ThAt wAs sO meAniNgfUl!!’ But then we find out that Jason isn’t really a monk.
Yeah that was the classic move to torture Tahani. Making her struggle because she couldn't communicate with her soulmate while showing that Jianiu is supposed to be very clever and insightful.
People have definitely commented on Jason's kindness and empathy, though, so I think it's possible he just gave Michael some regular ol' human TLC and Michael had never experienced that before.
could you imagine being jason in that moment? you’re on the worlds weirdest prank show and this dude thinks youre a psychic monk or smthn when you were just practicing the shoulder touchc
One that got me on rewatching is that "Real Eleanor" only appears after they go to claim our Eleanor back from the train to the Bad Place. And the fact that Janet has Eleanor's file and it doesn't show the supposed Real Eleanor's memories, but things our Eleanor actually did.
The one clue that completely flew over my head was when Michael is explaining how Eleanor died. She was arguing with an environmentalist right before she dropped the margarita mix and died. Michael said that they erase the memory of how someone died in cases of it being an embarrassing death, but in reality he just wanted to start the torture at that moment by explaining to her how she was a terrible person before she was killed
There is a hint in Spanish that would have been interesting if the original script (English) had have it. In chapter 12 when Vicky, Chidi and Tahani are in Michael’s office with Shawn, he says (in the Spanish version) “so Eleanor was supposed to be here in the bad place, I said here by mistake” when in the original he said “so Eleanor was so supposed to be in the bad place, and arrive here by accident”. Shawn making a mistake about pretending that that’s the good place it’s hilarious, sadly is just in the Spanish translation so technically doesn’t count.
Another clue is in the first episode where Eleanor says that her parents are probably torturing each other. Just as they were all torturing one another
During first time I didn't think for a second that it's actually bad place. And considering I almost everytime predict the twists , says a lot about the good writing of this show. Infact even when Eleanor says it I didn't believe until Michael starts his evil laugh.
I thought the twist was just going to be that Eleanor, Jason, Tahani, and maybe Chidi were all supposed to be in the Bad Place, we'd find out along the way that Tahani and Chidi were also misplaced for some reason. Then as we got closer to the season finale I was like "okay so the finale will have the big twist reveal that Tahani and Chidi are also supposed to be in the Bad Place?" I was SO CLOSE to getting the actual twist.
Yeah definitely, my husband ALWAYS guesses plot twists (I’m too logical I can’t think laterally so I never get them 😅) but he did NOT see this one coming. It was great to show him a real twist and surprise him! (I’d watched the whole series before he agreed to watch it with me.) it’s so well written and intelligent.
The one that caught my attention the most was the one when Eleanor was about to turn herself to The Bad Place, Janet & Jason were also escaping. Janet came to Eleanor and said “You don’t belong here. Jason doesn’t belong here. And now that I think about it, I don’t belong here either”
3:00, that should have been more obvious to me when watching it. Shows literally have a phrase for when a character does anything evil for no reason just to let you know they are actually evil and it's called "kicking the dog"
I realize he is just screwing with them, but the neighborhood being compromised if even one blade of grass is angled wrong is just asking for trouble, as I'm sure someone will step on them sooner or later.
Do you have any idea how many points stepping on the grass deducts?? Anybody who goes to the good place has "don't step on the grass" ingrained into their behavior.
Another clue is when Janet knew Eleanor liked that dude she thought was gay. If the system glitched, it should be according to "real" Eleanor's life, but Janet somehow knew it was "fake" Eleanor.
Ohhhh!!!! I just thought she queried a database for the name Eleanor gave her, but she must have known it was her life and not the other! Sneaky Janet!
As someone who loves frozen yoghurt, clowns, and most of the other things used to minutely torture the MCs this plot twist really shook me to my core. I was obsessed with their lives in the "good place", practically wanted to switch places with them bahahah!
You missed the very prominent clue whdn Glenn says he'd go ahead for sharing his story during the opening of the restaurant, and Michael looks very disappointed as he was just going to ask Jason to speak up.
Fan theory I've had: The Bad Place we see is actually just The Normal Place, Mindy St. Clair's "Medium Place" was just an offshoot of The Normal Place since a train can get there. It's kind of the equivalent of the Greek Hades. Meanwhile, the actual Bad Place (maybe it could be called the Really Bad Place) is much, much worse. As in, makes the worst part of what they know as the Bad Place look like a utopia by comparison. After all, almost everyone goes there. They just let everyone THINK it's The Bad Place so they don't get curious and explore to find out the true horrors of the actual Bad Place (equivalent to the Greek Tartarus) or even that it exists, so maybe by telling everyone that it's The Bad Place, it's what Plato calls the "noble lie". They never even showed the actual Bad Place because it would be too nightmarish for such a lighthearted sitcom.
I must belong in the Bad Place, because every time I watch Michael punt the dog all I do is laugh. Even the first time I saw it. Is something wrong with me?
Nothing wrong with you. They made it so that humans would laugh. The funniest part of that scene to me was when Michael offered to kick it into the sun again and get a better one.
One very subtle one that I only noticed upon rewatching: when Michael is interrogating Jason with the truth detection cube find out who killed Janet , at the very end Michael says "Oh this is bad" because he's upset that they're not further ahead but (and just before the scene cuts away) the cube flashes red indicating that he is in fact lying and *not* disappointed at all.
I love your posts and this one is no exception, but please consider changing the description to avoid spoiling it for future fans who will appreciate this reveal with fresh eyes. I know we are passing the spoiler window of limitations but it’s so special:) everyone should be able to have that feeling when it’s revealed:) Thank you for considering it and have a great day!
I think people who are in the process of watching an old TV show should not look up content to do with it tbh, it's hard to not include spoilers when this video is about the plot twist
@@DiabolicalPaperClip Also wouldn't it be worse if they found out after watching the video? I feel like either way they'll get spoiled with this video but not making any content about the plot twist seems a bit restrictive lol
@@mayabrown4050 Not only that! This person is complaining about the description!!! These fans would have to purposefully seek out spoilers at that point
One of the biggest clue was when Michael decided to retire, Janet makes herself cry like a human. And Michael says “That’s so beautiful” 😂 How did I miss that!
I honestly saw that as Michael being a bit out-of-touch with what humans are like and he was proud of Janet giving her best attempt. Given the reveal though, you're likely right about it being a clue.
Has anyone else gone to the universal studio tours? Walking around a few years after it ended they still have it exactly like the good place! So many shops with signs we never got to see!!!
Considering the people who make it up. Yeah I can see that. Although I can also imagine a far far worst existence so it's kinda lame as far as hells goes.
My favorite hint is Eleanor's clown paintings. It's given a reasonable (within a comedic world) explanation, but in reality it's just there to torture Eleanor
what the series did so well is that the "eleanor ruins everything" is almost literally the character definition we're given, and the acting, both the ted dansons' *and* Michael's, of being a distraught angel is so convincing, that the "ruining heaven" lie is extremely compelling
the funny thing is that when I started watching this I already knew the plot twist... and managed to miss all the clues. I rewatched it with my boyfriend and he said "there's something wrong, it's too fake" before even getting to the welcome video presentation and when Eleanor told Chidi she shouldn't be there he said "I don't know, more than it being an error it almost seems like it's a punishment for her to be there" I was dying
Vicky was also a clue and kind of an obvious one, the way she described how she was tortured in the Bad Place saying that "at night, it was pretty classic torture".
Personally that line didn't ring any bells for me in particular since I assumed that line was intended as a follow up to her daytime torture which is intended to have people think "well that seems annoying, but for Hell that doesn't seem like particularly bad torture" oly to drop the bomb that yeah, they have that too.
The biggest clue for me was in episode 4 when at the restaurant Michael looks completely pissed off that someone else talked first when he wanted Jason to reveal himself. Seemed strange at the time for Michael because he was in such a great mood often and seemed to love everyone
When Janice plays the audio clip 0:30 what’s going on? I expected to hear no audio at all. Or something from the characters’ immediate surroundings. There doesn’t seem to be any part of it that drops a hint.
for me one of the clues was also when they said that you can't have point by doing a good action if you have a bad motibe which is the problem of Tahani. It's also implied that you have to do important things to get to the Good place and Chidi did nothing on Earth
I think The Good Place is such an accurate depiction of the design of the world we actually live in (at least those places that are peaceful and don't struggle with lack of basic needs and security). I live in a beautiful place, that looks like a paradise, and I have food and a roof over my head. Yet, I am triggered all the time, and very often stressed out and either worried or frustrated or both.. When I first watched the show some years ago I lived in a small flat with some features that actually looked a lot like Elanor's house (I was sleeping on a platform with no stairs, and my next door neighbour was a very tall and stately woman, much more successful than I was at the time, and lived in a place that was like a mansion compared to mine (and she was complaining her husband didn't talk to her).
I don't think they were laughing at her - in character - they were all angry with her because of what she had done but when she said pobody's nerfect they just all laughed at her joke and showed they were all good and ready to forgive her after all because she was making an effort. They were laughing at her joke even if they should have been angry, just like very good nad forgiving people would. thinking back, what is strange about that scene is not the laughing itself but that no one would forgive her before and no one was angry after that... you know, as if it were scripted that they had to change their mind and give her a chance whatever she answered after she was asked why they should forgive her.
What I don’t get is how Michael thought he could keep it up for eternity. Did he think that Eleanor would keep her “secret” for that long? Did he think Eleanor would keep trying to better herself to stay in the “Good Place” for eternity? I just don’t know how many ideas Michael would have to come up with to keep them from discovering the truth for that much time.
I vaguely remember that a flashback said Michael was trying to at least get them to torture each other for 3 years or something.. and Shawn responded "You'll barely get 6 months" which fun fact, is the length of a typical season of a show.. so.. Shawn was right, it took only 6 months for it to fall apart
Because Eleanor had never done something altruistic in her entire life on earth, it was completely unexpected for Michael that she confessed at any point at all (reminding you, it would mean she would go to actual hell, Earth Eleanor Shellstrop would have never done it), but since she became a better person in the fake Good place, she confessed to avoid Chidi more pain. That moment going foward i think Michael is improvising, he says how annoying humans are by doing such unexpected things, that it wasn't something she had ever done before
They didn’t say the one that was in episode one where Eleanor says that her parents are probably used torturing each other. When I watched it for the first time, I immediately picked up on that I didn’t think the good place was actually the bad place, but it did make me think of the play no exit where hell is other people which is essentially what Michael is trying to do.
Main clue is sign "Everything is fine" at the begining. At the moment I saw it, I knew already. If anyone tell you "everything is fine", then nothing is fine. If someone tells you to relax, don't relax. If someone tells you "Trust me" don't trust him.
That makes a lot of sense now that I know the twist, but when I first saw it, I assumed that it was meant to be calming. Since pretty much anyone would freak out if they all of a sudden wake up in a random room and some guy sitting behind a desk says "You're dead and the afterlife is real"
With the playing the audio clip thing. It just occurred to me that that could've been what was happening even in the fake good place bad place, because it was an audio clip of what was happening at that exact moment and what was happening at that exact moment in the fake good place bad place was an audio clip of people screaming about a bear with two mouths.
i never understand when people use things like this as “hints”. the whole point was that the good place had problems BECAUSE of eleanor and jason. there were supposed to be issues in the design, pairings, and city because eleanor and jason’s presence messed up the entire city.
First episode, when Elenor is asking Michael what the bad place she said "I wonder if my parents are being used to torture each other... it would work". they LITERALLY said it in the first episode how did you miss this
Though the scenario that was supposed to be torture ended up actually teaching them to be better people. If Eleanor's behaviour had no consequences for example she wouldn't have learned to be a better person.
I think that’s kind of the point of the whole show - humans learn to be better people through interacting with each other, despite all our flaws and even because of our flaws. It’s what we owe to each other.
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JASON?! Jason figured it out??
One of my favorite lines in the whole series.
This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts.
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Jason slowly became smarter at the end of the series. I love it
@@crimsonspade4305 like when he was waiting for Janet in the woods 🥰
@@Ryan-ij3ge I liked it when he taught chidi some really odd words of wisdom that weirdly made sense.
One of the clues I was always think about is in episode 4 when Jason/Jianyu says, “Everyone thinks I'm Taiwanese. I'm Filipino. That's racist. Heaven is so racist.”
I love the way he says “heaven is so racist”
But that made sense because Jianyu was supposed to be Taiwanese monk
I love how I just read it in Jason’s voice 😂
To be fair, they said they didn't know what anyone on Earth looked like. I mean Good Elanor/Vicky was an Indian woman. I took the statement 'taiwanese monk' as to be a monk from Taiwan.
Uhm
Hell is people, however
Also in the first episode, Eleanor says: "I was an only child. My parents were divorced when I was a kid. They were both crummy people so they're probably in the bad place. Maybe they're being used to torture each other. It would work."
Which is genuinely what's happening to them. She thinks like Michael and that's why she's the one who can figure it out.
But, her mother is alive though.
@@aprilkanawa7577 i think what the comment meant was that when Eleanor said her parents would be able to torture each other by themselves, she ended up describing michaels experiment (since he’s getting eleanor and the others to torture themselves). so the comment is pointing out how michael and eleanor think similarly
@@aprilkanawa7577 Her mom did fake her death though, so Elenor thought she was dead at the time. She finds out that her mom’s still alive in season 3 I think?
@@52pickuplimes96 yeah, she finds out after Tahani redeems her sister
@@aprilkanawa7577 She didn’t know that tho lmao. her mother faked her death
There has never been a more true statement about anything than what micheal said about frozen yogurt
I love frozen yogurt
I love frozen yogurt! Plain, with strawberries, honey and cereal/cookie crumble
I love frozen yogurt with graham dust. Its amazing!!
Ron swanson had the exact same thing to say in parks and rec
Facts
My favourite scene is when she figures out it the bad place. Ted Dansons character switch is absolutely amazing. You instantly go from liking him to seeing him as a bad guy
Even more masterful how they slowly make us love him again later
The score as well… omg amazing
His laugh gave me literal chills
Instantly! Even if you were unsure, His laugh convinces you immediately
Yes! I could have sworn he even looked different from then on! No idea how he did that.
At the very beginning in Michael's office, when he's telling Eleanor she's in the Good Place, he takes a pause right before he tells her and, in hindsight, you can see him barely suppressing an evil grin, and his eyes are pure malevolence. It's kinda silly how obvious it is when you know!
Yes, and it really sets the tone for the whole show. I always felt a bit uneasy about the very saccharine feel of the supposed Good Place; it should have tipped me off.
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Well today I learnt a new word! Thanks!
@@molly.dog8brooke792 as did I
@@j.s.7335 the show always had me on the edge thinking about how everytime ealenor tried something to get out of her predicament it lead to even more suffering. i was kind of miffed every time i watched an episode
No, that is called confirmation bias. It is “obvious” only when we know the answer… then we look for things that confirm the idea we already have (whether the idea is correct or not.)
I rewatched season 1 and one of the biggest clue that i miss is michael titling the blue print "the good place" with the quotes instead of just the good place
Dude that's not a clue that flashback is kind of the reveal lol
@@slushpuppie19 no, the reveal was when Eleanor said “This is the bad place.” This happened after we saw the blueprint with the good place in quotes. If you tell me that you guessed it by that then I wouldn’t believe you.
@@officialthreegang Ok you're right it's not the actual *reveal* but when we see Michael in flashback creating his neighbourhood and calling it '"The Good Place" - a bold new plan' we do 100% realise that things are not as we've been told, this is when we first truly realise Michael is not telling us the truth. We know it's not the first neighbourhood that exists. So why is Michael calling this "The Good Place"? Why is this revolutionary? If he's a good place architect, this doesn't make sense. This is the moment the viewer realises they have been lied to by Michael.
@@officialthreegang i did guess it by then, but not by clues but i was like "i bet this is the bad place" because i just had that feeling
@@slushpuppie19 it's implied it was revolutionary because it was the first one where the architect actually lived in it. We then learn it was just a lie and the actual revolution comes from the fact that it's actually the bad place
Actually, there were more than 1,200 clues but our tiny human brains couldn't comprehend them all
The fact that they had scheduled activities in heaven was a big tip off for me. If I want to fly in heaven I should get to fly when I choose to.
Well it's ironic then that (spoiler alert last season)
In the real good place you can do whatever you want at any time and it creates a bunch of zombies who are bored all the time because they don't care to do anything because they've done everything.
So funny enough a small change like scheduling events rather than allowing people to do whatever, whenever might have helped with that problem
I thrive in scheduled environments so I think that a scheduled good place actually would be great for me lol
@@jesilynmc why wouldn't they just allow the zombies to reset their memories like Michael did in the bad place so many times? Is the good place even the good place? 😭
@@jesilynmc This is actually what i found really annoying about the ending of the show. Michaels 'good place' design was actually a perfect blueprint for an actual good place, it would keep things interesting, with random scheduled events and what not, all they'd have to do is take out the literal torture element and it was perfect. I always assumed that was going to be the ironic solution which would have been poetic. them heavily leaning into the suicide angle instead was kind of fucked.
@@Ghost-Mom I loved the ending they went with. They give you time enough to do what you want, what you need, and when you decide you're ready, you walk through a door to peace. Death becomes something you don't have to fear. You still get to enjoy all heaven has to offer, but no one was meant to live forever. Time enough is a pretty beautiful idea of heaven.
In th first episode, Eleanor ask Michael who's in the bad place and Michael says Picasso and Mozart. Later on at the party the background music is actually Mozart and one of the consequences of the party is that Glenn has the face transformed into a cubic painting....
That’s so good omg this show gets so deep
oh wow
True, but this also gets into the debate of art vs artist. Is it ok to celebrate/consume the art if the artist is a horrible person..
Why is it Mozart in the bad place? I know about Picasso being misogynistic, but I tried to Google what Mozart did or thought, and I couldn't find anything...
@@GiovanniMyo I don't know really 🤷🏼♀️ rumors say that he was immature and faecalphiliac but hell for that is a bit harsh 😅
I honestly didn't catch any of these clues during my first watching because I thought Eleanor and Jason not being there was the reason for all the problems, even when Chidi got his first of many stomach aches.
Could you please rephrase that
@@mttynan4690 I didn't think they were in the bad place until Eleanor figured out.
That's why this show is so clever! In the first episode it "tells" you why everything is supposed to be wrong because eleanor is there, meaning that most people don't actually think about why things are happening because they just assume it's because of eleanor. Smort.
@@sims2lovealot See that still made me suspicious, like I got the bad stuff wad because they weren’t planned for… but it’s heaven! They’re omniscient! If they had said “Yeah this has happened before” I’d be like “Weird but okay” but somehow in ALL of human existence, THIS is the first time anything like this has happened? I didn’t expect WHY though!
0:36 Nothing like being told something over and over to really sell the con.
Let's review the things Michael repeatedly did:
-telling Chidi his life's work was trash,
-forcing Chidi into decisions and activities he was not comfortable with,
-constantly trolling Eleanor that he is about to discover her secret,
-constantly making Tahani (corrected) feel bad for making an inappropriate choice at her parties, especially at his 'retirement' ceremony,
-pretending to be spinelessly accomodating to the demons as an excuse to trash Tahani's place
and finally:
-in general, saying the least appropriate and helpful thing on just about every occasion.
You mean Tahani. Tahini is a food.
-Telling Tahani that it's possible to be 104% perfect
As Ron Swanson once said: "Dear Frozen Yogurt, be Ice cream or be nothing!"
0 stars
Another clue: In season 1, it was revealed that Janets go offline when they cross the realm. But, Michael was able to call Bad Janet easily while sitting in Tahani’s house. A subtle reference to the fact they were actually in bad place all along & bad janet is easily accessible there.
That doesn’t make any sense, how was Good Janet able to function in the Bad Place then
@@cozymosss your janet was reprogramed to work in the bad place
Ohhhhhhh!!!!!! I never thought of that!!!!
@@cozymosss
Michael stole a good Janet from the production line before it was assigned.
One of the biggest clues for me was when they flashed back to Eleanor dying, “real Eleanor” wasn’t there to try and rescue her.🤔
Also, Teacup getting punted into the sun is both hilarious and sad.
I mean, they cut the scene before Eleanor even being hit, so you can just assume we didn't got to see her because of it.
Also you have to wonder if the demon that had teacup was in all the time or Michael kick the dog and the demon had to play along.
If I recall correctly, in the footage of the “real” Eleanor’s amazing, selfless life from her 1st person POV, you can see her hand is white if you watch carefully.
i never noticed before but you're right.
@@bannedprofile7553 my headcanon is that the demon made janet make teacup because she did actually want a pet. Making her "teacup doesn't love me?" Reaction genuine as well as Michael's dog punting.
You forgot about Eleanor saying that her parents would be in the bad place torturing each other
Yes!! This was the best giveaway of all. Eleanor said it right in the first episode. She basically gave away the whole show, and everyone just missed it.
I dont get it. Why is that a clue if both her parents were alive?
@@davineuskens21 She realized that using people to torture people would be something they do in the bad place, as Jason talking about it as a prank show
@@waltergc5443 I understand this, but I don't remember her talking about her parents and how that relates to giving the plot away since on the pilot both of her parents were alive.
I'm lost lol
@@davineuskens21 (only her mother is still alive, her father died years before everything started) first episode, Eleanor gets drunk dead, and Chidi takes her to clown house, then she starts talking about how her parents were douchebags and they hated each other, then she says, maybe they are torturing each other down there, Chidi is being tortured by Eleanor in that exact moment.
one of the best plot twists on tv imo. it’s one of those plot twists that needs no explanation, cause as soon it’s revealed you’re like, “ohhh DUH how did i not see that??” truly ingenious
For me, the biggest clue in hindsight was the 'bad' writing. Everything was just so conveniently written. Bart and Nina (were those their names?) being a marriage counseler and identity fraud inspector, for example. It felt like these plot points were just written in because the show needed conflict, but of course, someone WAS trying to create conflict
the biggest clue i found was when Michael told Chidi his manuscript was terrible and Chidi said "Michael knows everything" and I'm assuming, an architect would be assumed to know everything. But then Elanor goes, "Michael does not know everything. Michael doesn't know I'm not supposed to be here"... he should know that as the architect and the fact that he didn't was the biggest foreshadowing for me
That whole episode is pretty obvious on second viewing. Michael trashes Chidi's life's work in front of him and then takes him on a tour of hobbies specifically catered against his personality.
It's played as Michael just being overly earnest, but he knows everything about Chidi, he definitely knows *cartography* would be miserable for him!
this is why the show is amazing as second watch, you get all the clues or details that you ignored as either movie magic or just a funny bit
All the clues: *Season one plays in it's entirety*
Ugh Ik going back and looking at everything it’s insane how obviously it was there but I had no idea
Yes
@@eleanorabdo5583I think that Frozen Yougurt should have been enough
No wonder Michael is so spooked by dogs. There's never been a dog in the Bad Place.
All dogs are good boys and go to heaven.
I guess Hellhounds are actually Chainsaw Bears.
@@hopefulstarfish7559HAHAHA
I don't know if this counts as a clue but during my first watch of Season 1, I thought it was strange that Janet was ALWAYS available every time they called on her. If the other people were truly Good Place residents, wouldn't they have had occasional requests as well? (at the time I just chalked it up to the fact that they were the Main Characters).
Janet is omniscient I think they would have made a system where she can be at multiple places at once.
@@thedevilhimself1481 i'm pretty sure there was a scene where janet complained about people calling her a lot
I have to agree, once they get to the good place there are multiple Janets...but in this neighborhood of 322 she only really had to pay attention to those 4 when she wasnt being in charge of an activity...
@@thedevilhimself1481 omniscient =/= omnipresent
@@InitialPC you clearly didn’t understand the comment. Read it again
the first time i watched it i started feeling like something was wrong when michael said that the book chidi had worked so hard on was terrible and he threw it away
And the actual good place architects are always giving compliments to each other or behaving super friendly to visitors
I mean, judging by the volume and contents it was probably am objective truth😅
I just thought he was telling Chidi to move on and live happily ever after, even if he was a bit harsh about it haha
Jameela is 5'10 & Cindy Crawford is 5'9, that is such an underrated joke omg
That scene came on just as I read your comment and it really is funny
Omg both of them are taller than me 😣
Also Cindy Crawford's supposed flaw is her beauty mark.
@@goawayleavemealone2880 Make your 'flaw'(ew so not a flaw) your signature, like Julie Gonzalo & her scar 🙌
Michael knocking over the random object once he’s found out is honestly such a mood 😂😂
And kicking the dog was such an obvious clue. It's one of the most common ways to show that a character is evil in a story. I can't believe I missed it.
Because the explanation is plausible. A fraught, first-time architect freaking out over his potential failure and trying his best to correct any and all mistakes. It's incredibly relatable and we can sympathize with him. We just never stop and go "wait, why would he kick it into the sun and not just blip it out peacefully?" the first time we see it.
not an obvious clue at all. eternal beings have different views. very possible action someone immortal might do, especially since everything is possible.
I love how even though it was the bad place, Michael was always wholesome at his core because his first chance at designing, and instead of real awful painful torture, he decided to inconvenience them😂 like his idea of torture was frozen yogurt 😂😂
I always found it funny how a lot of the tortures were so cartoonish or mild. I've always had the theory that the Bad Place we saw (not just the "Good Place" neighborhood but everything) was actually the Normal Place (including Mindy St. Clair's "Medium Place", which is suspiciously just a train ride away) and we never actually saw the Bad Place, and that they told everyone there that they were in the Bad Place to protect them so that they don't get curious and end up trying to get a peek at the real Bad Place (where truly evil people ended up), which could have nightmarish consequences. That's just my theory, though.
I was watching and I just noticed something about Janets! Bad Janets always appear to the right of the person who calls her. Thats why when the demons were in the "good place" and they called for Janet the dude looked to the right. Good Janets always appear to the left of the person who call her. Like when Chidi called Janet in the beginning to get information on the Bad Place. So when Bad Janet takes Good Janets spot in the Test Subject Good Place she always appears to the right!
No way! 😮
Ok i know its faked but i have to say, everytime i see the look of panic on michaels face when the girl goes "Teacup doesnt love me?" I lose it. Its just so freakin funny to me
The demon who plays the girl is also a great actor. The 'thank goodness you're okay' and the protective 'no!' don't look nearly as fake as they are
@@rtozier2011 demons can love, maybe she did love that fake dog
It's probably real, Michael was afraid that the illusion would've been shattered
Even before I got to the end of the first season I thought it was weird that they would have to do chores like dishes, laundry and cleaning up garbage. You’d think it could be done magically in paradise. I also thought it was strange that the party in episode 1 could run out of shrimp like it’s a finite resource when Janet can clearly produce whatever she wants out of nothing. It made so much sense that it was the bad place.
Am I the only one who actually likes frozen yogurt? I like the tartness.
same
I love love love froyo. Id rather eat it than ice cream
Your blank black profile picture is driving me crazy; every time I scroll it like,, smudges across the screen
It’s delicious
We found the bad place plant
"Jason figured it out?!"
Jason figuring it out on the first attempt.
If it really was heaven then there would *definitely* be ice-cream...It's supposed go without saying...
you know that's true and cheese pizza
They can ask from Janet if they want one
When Stan Smith dies in American Dad he’s greeted to the afterlife with Ice Cream in any flavor that he wanted as a way to cheer him up. It definitely wouldn’t have been frozen yogurt lol
chidi's almond milk foreshadows the outdated system of points
Tahani was so obviously a bad person she was the biggest clue for me, always trying to get validation and recognition for every little good thing she does, then not being given that validation when she tries extra hard (with selfish motives) and put towards the BOTTOM of the list. And she just happens to stumble across said list, Extremely clever!! (Also Elenor guessed from the start that she was a bad person secretly)
I just thought Tahani being such an obviously bad person was going to be part of a twist that all four of the main characters were actually supposed to be in the Bad Place, but Tahani and Chidi hadn't realized they were also mixups.
I was SO CLOSE.
Especially since they said it didn't matter what Eleanor did to earn points because her motivation was corrupt and that was so clearly also the case for Tahani. But I just thought it was a plot hole.
yes! tanani’s personality was so obvious for the audience
@@Audrey-ot2pcRight? It seems forced
I never held Tahani's flaws against her. I assumed she wasnt always pleasant to be around but she did devote her life to fundraising for people who needed it. I never considered it a negative that she figured out how to channel her ego and self aggrandizing into helping people along the way.
She raised over 60 billion in findraising and helped countless lives across the world. She is a super hero and deserves the highest seat in the good place. Being snooty and vain doesnt take anything away from that in my eyes.
Also at the restaurant opening Jason gets tofu and Eleanor doesn’t get anything wich is kinda obvious but chidi gets his favourite meal and says “almost makes me forget how miserable I am right now” showing how despite getting his favourite meal he’s also not happy
After elanors reveal it all makes perfect sense. the torture, the sounds, 0:43 the two background characters heard it but acted casual, and not to mention chidi stomach aches
One that I often think about is how after Michael pretended to feel useless in front of Tahani and Jason, Jason put his hand on Michael’s chest and stared at him, and Michael was like, ‘Oh, yOu’rE rIghT! ThAt wAs sO meAniNgfUl!!’ But then we find out that Jason isn’t really a monk.
Yeah that was the classic move to torture Tahani. Making her struggle because she couldn't communicate with her soulmate while showing that Jianiu is supposed to be very clever and insightful.
People have definitely commented on Jason's kindness and empathy, though, so I think it's possible he just gave Michael some regular ol' human TLC and Michael had never experienced that before.
could you imagine being jason in that moment? you’re on the worlds weirdest prank show and this dude thinks youre a psychic monk or smthn when you were just practicing the shoulder touchc
Wait so TECHNICALLY jason was the first one to know, but couldn't put it to words
One that got me on rewatching is that "Real Eleanor" only appears after they go to claim our Eleanor back from the train to the Bad Place. And the fact that Janet has Eleanor's file and it doesn't show the supposed Real Eleanor's memories, but things our Eleanor actually did.
The one clue that completely flew over my head was when Michael is explaining how Eleanor died. She was arguing with an environmentalist right before she dropped the margarita mix and died. Michael said that they erase the memory of how someone died in cases of it being an embarrassing death, but in reality he just wanted to start the torture at that moment by explaining to her how she was a terrible person before she was killed
@@FrankMontes24This should have been the first sign. Usually, one would insist a lot to know about their death, but he told her on the spot.
There is a hint in Spanish that would have been interesting if the original script (English) had have it.
In chapter 12 when Vicky, Chidi and Tahani are in Michael’s office with Shawn, he says (in the Spanish version) “so Eleanor was supposed to be here in the bad place, I said here by mistake” when in the original he said “so Eleanor was so supposed to be in the bad place, and arrive here by accident”.
Shawn making a mistake about pretending that that’s the good place it’s hilarious, sadly is just in the Spanish translation so technically doesn’t count.
The dude kicks a dog into the sun, yet the twist is still surprising.
Acting and writing!
A projection of a dog.
Another clue is in the first episode where Eleanor says that her parents are probably torturing each other. Just as they were all torturing one another
During first time I didn't think for a second that it's actually bad place. And considering I almost everytime predict the twists , says a lot about the good writing of this show. Infact even when Eleanor says it I didn't believe until Michael starts his evil laugh.
Me too, I think that Michael and Eleanor are just doing an elavorate and riscky move until I watched the flashbacks from Michael's perspective
I thought the twist was just going to be that Eleanor, Jason, Tahani, and maybe Chidi were all supposed to be in the Bad Place, we'd find out along the way that Tahani and Chidi were also misplaced for some reason. Then as we got closer to the season finale I was like "okay so the finale will have the big twist reveal that Tahani and Chidi are also supposed to be in the Bad Place?"
I was SO CLOSE to getting the actual twist.
Yeah definitely, my husband ALWAYS guesses plot twists (I’m too logical I can’t think laterally so I never get them 😅) but he did NOT see this one coming. It was great to show him a real twist and surprise him! (I’d watched the whole series before he agreed to watch it with me.) it’s so well written and intelligent.
I almost feel guilty laughing at "The bear has two mouths!" but dear GOD that was funny.
The one that caught my attention the most was the one when Eleanor was about to turn herself to The Bad Place, Janet & Jason were also escaping. Janet came to Eleanor and said “You don’t belong here. Jason doesn’t belong here. And now that I think about it, I don’t belong here either”
3:00, that should have been more obvious to me when watching it. Shows literally have a phrase for when a character does anything evil for no reason just to let you know they are actually evil and it's called "kicking the dog"
I realize he is just screwing with them, but the neighborhood being compromised if even one blade of grass is angled wrong is just asking for trouble, as I'm sure someone will step on them sooner or later.
Do you have any idea how many points stepping on the grass deducts?? Anybody who goes to the good place has "don't step on the grass" ingrained into their behavior.
I love how half of these scenes where when they were eating frozen yoghurt
Another clue is when Janet knew Eleanor liked that dude she thought was gay. If the system glitched, it should be according to "real" Eleanor's life, but Janet somehow knew it was "fake" Eleanor.
Omg good point!!!!!!!
Ohhhh!!!! I just thought she queried a database for the name Eleanor gave her, but she must have known it was her life and not the other! Sneaky Janet!
As someone who loves frozen yoghurt, clowns, and most of the other things used to minutely torture the MCs this plot twist really shook me to my core. I was obsessed with their lives in the "good place", practically wanted to switch places with them bahahah!
You must be the real Eleanor.
so when they say "there's a special place in hell for people like you" _this_ is what they mean 😂
You missed the very prominent clue whdn Glenn says he'd go ahead for sharing his story during the opening of the restaurant, and Michael looks very disappointed as he was just going to ask Jason to speak up.
was JUST about to comment this!
Fan theory I've had: The Bad Place we see is actually just The Normal Place, Mindy St. Clair's "Medium Place" was just an offshoot of The Normal Place since a train can get there. It's kind of the equivalent of the Greek Hades. Meanwhile, the actual Bad Place (maybe it could be called the Really Bad Place) is much, much worse. As in, makes the worst part of what they know as the Bad Place look like a utopia by comparison. After all, almost everyone goes there. They just let everyone THINK it's The Bad Place so they don't get curious and explore to find out the true horrors of the actual Bad Place (equivalent to the Greek Tartarus) or even that it exists, so maybe by telling everyone that it's The Bad Place, it's what Plato calls the "noble lie". They never even showed the actual Bad Place because it would be too nightmarish for such a lighthearted sitcom.
Ooh, and the fact that Real Eleanor supposedly loves clowns... who loves clowns?!
... I do...
@@mayabrown4050 Would you say you find clowns delightful?
I must belong in the Bad Place, because every time I watch Michael punt the dog all I do is laugh. Even the first time I saw it. Is something wrong with me?
Schadenfreude, my friend.
I laughed too it’s fine lmao
I screamed, and not in a good way!!!😱😱😱 (What can I say; I love animals, especially small, fluffy, cute domestics, like that puppy!)
Laughing at Michael punting the dog into the sun: -2000 points
Nothing wrong with you. They made it so that humans would laugh. The funniest part of that scene to me was when Michael offered to kick it into the sun again and get a better one.
One very subtle one that I only noticed upon rewatching: when Michael is interrogating Jason with the truth detection cube find out who killed Janet , at the very end Michael says "Oh this is bad" because he's upset that they're not further ahead but (and just before the scene cuts away) the cube flashes red indicating that he is in fact lying and *not* disappointed at all.
Tahani is the biggest clue...
i know right. no one that selfish and condensing would end up in heaven.
Can't deny that lmao
Hey, it’s not her fault she’s so tall :/
@@mars_mayday nothing to do with height it has to do with her being rich and lording it over everyone.
@@comedylemonade5935 woooosh
I love your posts and this one is no exception, but please consider changing the description to avoid spoiling it for future fans who will appreciate this reveal with fresh eyes. I know we are passing the spoiler window of limitations but it’s so special:) everyone should be able to have that feeling when it’s revealed:) Thank you for considering it and have a great day!
i was actually spoiled by one of their video thumbnails when i was in the middle of watching season 1. what a shitty thing to do
This is so true! This is one of the few shows I have to seal my spoiler lips for when I’m showing someone for the first time
I think people who are in the process of watching an old TV show should not look up content to do with it tbh, it's hard to not include spoilers when this video is about the plot twist
@@DiabolicalPaperClip Also wouldn't it be worse if they found out after watching the video? I feel like either way they'll get spoiled with this video but not making any content about the plot twist seems a bit restrictive lol
@@mayabrown4050 Not only that! This person is complaining about the description!!! These fans would have to purposefully seek out spoilers at that point
The clue for me was definitely the swinger couple.
what is the swinger couple?
@@williambuttlicker5654 I think they're talking about Nina and Bart
Bojack Horseman: HONEYDEW! Yep, yeah, this is the Bad Place.
what is this? A CROSSOVER EPISODE????
you just KNOW mr peanutbutter would be bojack’s tahani
@@kaitlyncollison6908 and Todd would be Jason lol
One of the biggest clue was when Michael decided to retire, Janet makes herself cry like a human.
And Michael says “That’s so beautiful” 😂
How did I miss that!
I honestly saw that as Michael being a bit out-of-touch with what humans are like and he was proud of Janet giving her best attempt. Given the reveal though, you're likely right about it being a clue.
@@RavenStarMediathat was my interpretation too, I really think that’s what they were going for.
The dislikes are from Bad Place Upper Management, I mean, it’s literally their symbol
doesn't that mean they actually liked it so much they are giving them the honour of a thumb down?
in the first episode:
Eleanor: maybe my parents are being used to torture eachother! it would work.
Kicking the dog should have made it blatantly obvious. It's a literal TV Trope signaling "THIS HERE IS UNAMBIGUOSLY A BAD GUY". Yet, I missed it.
I think the first clue clicked for me when Glen tried to talk about his soup and michael isn't happy, which is odd if it was the good place
Has anyone else gone to the universal studio tours? Walking around a few years after it ended they still have it exactly like the good place! So many shops with signs we never got to see!!!
Guys, I feel like this earth IS the bad place
Whoever is listening, we've figured it out! Can we stop now?
@@j.s.7335 SO .. THIS IS THE BAD PLACE (repeated many times)
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is true
Considering the people who make it up. Yeah I can see that. Although I can also imagine a far far worst existence so it's kinda lame as far as hells goes.
I'm rewatching the show and I actually had that thought today about my life. "Am I actually in the Bad Place?"
im glad im stupid because twist plots always get me lol
plot twists
@@alexivy8732 LOL i didnt even notice this now. my dyslexia sucks at times
@@n.andkirby thats completely ok, i was just letting u know incase
My favorite hint is Eleanor's clown paintings. It's given a reasonable (within a comedic world) explanation, but in reality it's just there to torture Eleanor
what the series did so well is that the "eleanor ruins everything" is almost literally the character definition we're given, and the acting, both the ted dansons' *and* Michael's, of being a distraught angel is so convincing, that the "ruining heaven" lie is extremely compelling
This.
the funny thing is that when I started watching this I already knew the plot twist... and managed to miss all the clues.
I rewatched it with my boyfriend and he said "there's something wrong, it's too fake" before even getting to the welcome video presentation and when Eleanor told Chidi she shouldn't be there he said "I don't know, more than it being an error it almost seems like it's a punishment for her to be there"
I was dying
Vicky was also a clue and kind of an obvious one, the way she described how she was tortured in the Bad Place saying that "at night, it was pretty classic torture".
Personally that line didn't ring any bells for me in particular since I assumed that line was intended as a follow up to her daytime torture which is intended to have people think "well that seems annoying, but for Hell that doesn't seem like particularly bad torture" oly to drop the bomb that yeah, they have that too.
There were also anti-clues: lies… such as when Bambadjan the demon hugged Eleanor and made her feel better.
My favourite clue is so many people say “everyone hates moral philosophy professors”.
The biggest clue for me was in episode 4 when at the restaurant Michael looks completely pissed off that someone else talked first when he wanted Jason to reveal himself. Seemed strange at the time for Michael because he was in such a great mood often and seemed to love everyone
I tried frozen yogurt for the first time last month, and the first thing that came to my mind was Michael's quote. It was so accurate I was impressed
Michael freaked out on the dog cause real dogs aren't supposed to be there...cause all dogs go to heaven.
When Janice plays the audio clip 0:30 what’s going on? I expected to hear no audio at all. Or something from the characters’ immediate surroundings. There doesn’t seem to be any part of it that drops a hint.
for me one of the clues was also when they said that you can't have point by doing a good action if you have a bad motibe which is the problem of Tahani. It's also implied that you have to do important things to get to the Good place and Chidi did nothing on Earth
In the first episode Eleanor says “I bet my parents are being used to torture each other” which is another hint
I randomly came across this show without any expectations 😂 but man it was hilarious and entertaining! Jason will always be my favorite😂
I think The Good Place is such an accurate depiction of the design of the world we actually live in (at least those places that are peaceful and don't struggle with lack of basic needs and security). I live in a beautiful place, that looks like a paradise, and I have food and a roof over my head. Yet, I am triggered all the time, and very often stressed out and either worried or frustrated or both.. When I first watched the show some years ago I lived in a small flat with some features that actually looked a lot like Elanor's house (I was sleeping on a platform with no stairs, and my next door neighbour was a very tall and stately woman, much more successful than I was at the time, and lived in a place that was like a mansion compared to mine (and she was complaining her husband didn't talk to her).
What a glorius video to pop up in my recomendations just as i was planning on watching the show
I think the best hint is when all of the “good people” laugh at Eleanor for saying “podoby’s nerfect”
I don't think they were laughing at her - in character - they were all angry with her because of what she had done but when she said pobody's nerfect they just all laughed at her joke and showed they were all good and ready to forgive her after all because she was making an effort.
They were laughing at her joke even if they should have been angry, just like very good nad forgiving people would.
thinking back, what is strange about that scene is not the laughing itself but that no one would forgive her before and no one was angry after that... you know, as if it were scripted that they had to change their mind and give her a chance whatever she answered after she was asked why they should forgive her.
What I don’t get is how Michael thought he could keep it up for eternity. Did he think that Eleanor would keep her “secret” for that long? Did he think Eleanor would keep trying to better herself to stay in the “Good Place” for eternity? I just don’t know how many ideas Michael would have to come up with to keep them from discovering the truth for that much time.
I vaguely remember that a flashback said Michael was trying to at least get them to torture each other for 3 years or something.. and Shawn responded "You'll barely get 6 months" which fun fact, is the length of a typical season of a show.. so.. Shawn was right, it took only 6 months for it to fall apart
Because Eleanor had never done something altruistic in her entire life on earth, it was completely unexpected for Michael that she confessed at any point at all (reminding you, it would mean she would go to actual hell, Earth Eleanor Shellstrop would have never done it), but since she became a better person in the fake Good place, she confessed to avoid Chidi more pain. That moment going foward i think Michael is improvising, he says how annoying humans are by doing such unexpected things, that it wasn't something she had ever done before
When I heard the issue of the dishes, I thought: “how do you have to wash dishes in the good place, that is so wrong!”
They didn’t say the one that was in episode one where Eleanor says that her parents are probably used torturing each other. When I watched it for the first time, I immediately picked up on that I didn’t think the good place was actually the bad place, but it did make me think of the play no exit where hell is other people which is essentially what Michael is trying to do.
Main clue is sign "Everything is fine" at the begining. At the moment I saw it, I knew already.
If anyone tell you "everything is fine", then nothing is fine. If someone tells you to relax, don't relax. If someone tells you "Trust me" don't trust him.
That makes a lot of sense now that I know the twist, but when I first saw it, I assumed that it was meant to be calming. Since pretty much anyone would freak out if they all of a sudden wake up in a random room and some guy sitting behind a desk says "You're dead and the afterlife is real"
If they do a multiverse for Deadpool, Kristen would make a great female Deadpool, I'd like to see her interact with Ryan Reynolds.
I remember the first time watching the big reveal thinking Michael was going to say "no this IS the Good Place and YOU don't belong here"
No, you’re dead.
Oh, that’s a good prank.
There were actually over 9000 hints but good job on catching these six.
i get the reference to s2
With the playing the audio clip thing. It just occurred to me that that could've been what was happening even in the fake good place bad place, because it was an audio clip of what was happening at that exact moment and what was happening at that exact moment in the fake good place bad place was an audio clip of people screaming about a bear with two mouths.
After all this and everything, the “good place” denizens brushing off someone being tortured is the best piece of foreshadowing yet
when they're in the resturant before elanor makes the sinkhole, when glen speaks about his soup michael rolls his eyes and sighs
i never understand when people use things like this as “hints”. the whole point was that the good place had problems BECAUSE of eleanor and jason. there were supposed to be issues in the design, pairings, and city because eleanor and jason’s presence messed up the entire city.
First episode, when Elenor is asking Michael what the bad place she said "I wonder if my parents are being used to torture each other... it would work". they LITERALLY said it in the first episode how did you miss this
Though the scenario that was supposed to be torture ended up actually teaching them to be better people. If Eleanor's behaviour had no consequences for example she wouldn't have learned to be a better person.
I think that’s kind of the point of the whole show - humans learn to be better people through interacting with each other, despite all our flaws and even because of our flaws. It’s what we owe to each other.
0:35 Janet could make any noise and it would technically be a noise that was happening “in the bad place”
Thanks for spoiling with the title really appreciate