Time Team S07E09 flag fen,.cambs
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2013
- The Team travel back to the Bronze Age to Flag Fen in Cambridgeshire.
The fenland bog is home to one of the most important archaeological 'wet-sites' in the country, where the soggy conditions help preserve 3000-year-old timbers buried in the peat.
I love the bond between Mick and Phil. You can see they balance each other out, Mick being broody ( you know he is a serious thinker) and Phil love being in the dirt no matter the weather and gets excited like a kid in a candy shop when he sees a Flint anything.
That last bite when Francis returns a gift to the Fens is very moving. He truly respects the Old Gods.
Agreed! I was also moved by his respect for rituals of the past. Regardless of his beliefs on the matter, he understands the importance of respecting previous relationships with places, even if the inhabitants are no longer present.
You know it's gotta be good, when Phil goes "ooo!" and then "aah!"
there is nothing more wholesome in this world than hearing Phil have a good time.. I really wish he will appear in the new episodes..
too old, eh?
@@TheShootist Well to be fair he *is* in his seventies..
He’s on some videos from Wessex Archeology…
there’s a nice episode about the Archer, and as they go thru the museum & deliberately pan past a life size statue of Phil, all delighted with some pot or whatever .. 😜
it’s just AWESOME..
@@ruththinkingoutside.707 Can just see the look on his face without ever having seen the statue.
One of the reasons why we all love Phil so much is that he always wears his feelings on his sleeves.
Loved this Edison’s. Many years ago, I went on a Fenland archaeological dig with a group from Cambridge Uni, looking for artifacts in one of the areas occupied by the Iceni, the tribe led by Boudicca. We found some bog oak and a few other bits, but part of the fun was just being there and sharing the experience of discovery. Later I wrote a guide to the wildlife of the Fens. And lo, all these years later, my older sister Annie Proulx has written a new tome about Wetlands, coming out 2022. The circle is complete.
Episode was for some reason -known only to Predictive Text boffins, changed to Edison in my previous comment. duh.
11:46 -- as Mick is chatting with the bronze specialist, Victor sits quietly in the background, studying their positions, and enjoying their banter. There's no doubt that the resulting drawing will include a wonderful depiction of Mick.
Love it when Victor uses them in the illustration
@@junestanich7888 Isn't it fun? It's a sort of hidden object game -- Spot the Time Teamsters. I wonder where all those marvelous original illustrations wound up?
@@haplessasshole9615 maybe together with all the finds at that museum, local or otherwise, who exhibits all that. or in the offices of the local archaeological society who still does the looking and digging and preserving and exhibiting the funds, long after Time Team are gone?
@@haplessasshole9615 I wonder the same thing.
TT could hold an art auction of those works of art and support further exploration.
All the crew looked sincerely solemn and respectful when Francis laid the offering into the water. Very touching.
I've watched these for many years and I'm still always amazed that Phil can keep his right hand guitar picking nails intact, doing the job that he does.
Agreed. The people who object to his long finger nails don't see how clean he keeps his hands when he is not working.
@Elizabeth Schaeffer..nor do they seem to notice that ,the nails,tho long,are very well kept and that the nails on his LEFT hand are well-based and trimmed short.
So wonderful to see Dr. Francis Pryor's wife Masie the wood expert on this one!!
What a couple! What I'd give to be a guest in their home. I love them both!
I love the noises Phil makes when he is happy with what he sees. someone should make a song out of them for you tube.
and when he's startled by something, he yells "stone the crows"! Such a strange phrase; wonder where it comes from.
@@minimaker5600 There was a rock band in the 70s
Oh Arh! is good, Oh God Arh! is great
Now that would be a gem 😂💎
@@minimaker5600 Well... it comes from Phil. 😸🐈
Phil is like the master-sergeant in the archaeology army. "Don't call me sir, I work for a living."
Recently discovered this series and no longer want to watch much else: one learns so much more by seeing objects in situ and hearing about different theories about lifeways, religious practices, government, customs than by merely reading. Growing up in the high Rockies, I often felt the thrill of being the first person to touch an arrowhead, knife, blank flint uses to make fresh, sharp edges after it left the hand of the one who used it. I was also blessed to be befriended by an anthropologist, Ruth M. Underhill, who studied with Boaz (and once told me she might have got the job on Samoa had she agreed to sleep with him!) who took me to see what was then the oldest indigenous human skeleton found in the US; this was dug in Southeastern CO.
Thank you for this beautiful effort; I wish we had more such informative material on American tv, instead of the toxic merde that outnumbers quality arts and sciences here.
I am seventy now, and it’s in my mind to confess a huge intellectual and physical crush on Phil. I risk mentioning this as he clearly likes old things, so, I like my chances.
Sadly, I don't think there are any TV franchises left in the UK these days that would spend the money it takes to make this kind of programme. We too have been taken over by the toxic merde of 'reality tv' - so incredibly cheap to make. We do have a 4 part series each year with updates from all the UK archaeology discoveries made in the previous 12 months, called Digging for Britain. It's interesting and well made but not a patch on this team. Phil is still digging though, and he runs classes that any person can pay for and attend. Bucket list item for me, for sure!
@@jonnylumberjack6223 Check out *DigVentures.*
Something about those legs and all the rest, right? :-)
Ahhh...Phil Harding, we could start our own fan club right here. But when you add Francis Pryor to the mix, something magical happens. The interplay between he and Phil is always interesting to watch. It becomes more evident in later episodes. And I look forward to appearances by Francis. His imagination and point of view is not as scientific as Stewart Ainsworth but does seem a more humanistic approach to why and how the stone age peoples did things.
Like you, I began watching a few months ago and it’s my go to show. I’m certain I haven’t watched 20 years worth of episodes yet. I’ve learned so much and it has changed my understanding of human development both on the European continent and in North America as well. I have watched one show of Time Team America but it seemed lacking the spark that gave UK’s Time Team enduring entertainment.
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Dave Chapman the bronze caster has completed the circle understood so complicitly by our ancestors...one must always give back to the gods,wights and spirits of the waters,air,fire and earth.Lovely,meaningful gesture.
One of the most memorable episodes of Time Team, for the solemnly moving final scene.
As they say in British English, this episode is bloody brilliant.
Going back to watch the beginnings of TT, I am so surprised by how much I like watching Mick. I thought I liked him later, but seeing these, shows me a person with an excellent personality. thanks
How could you not love Mick?
Laughter and solemnity are effortlessly beautiful in Time Team. A wholesome show!
Placing the sword at the end of the episode is magical.
this show is so wholesome and relaxing i absolutely love it
Giving that blade back to the spirits of the Fens was righteous.
3:28 Without fail, every episode has a suggestive line or scene like this, the editor knows what they're doing.
I imagine the origin of myth of the sword Excalibur and The Lady of the Lake came down through generations from people placing valuables and blades in bodies of water in ancient times.
Some archaeologists are going to be really confused by that bronze sword offering in a few thousand years.
I was just in the middle of typing that, HA
heh. this episode is so old Tony is still capable of running about all higgledy-piggledy
That ending made me cry. Thank you, Time Team
Archeologists in 2500 AD: "Whatta? A bronze sword dating to around 2000 AD?" Our ancestors were bigger barbarians than we thought...
Thank you for the solemn reverence and no music while placing the blade into the fen.
I do believe that this was my favorite episode ever.
"Thats not something you'd shoot at a duck. No, sir!"
I found the final offering rather touching!
Bring back Time Team. I miss it!!!!!!!!
Powerful gesture, that sword! Powerful....wish I could-a been there.
I thought I had watched all of TT, but I don't remember any of season 7! So I get to watch them for the first time! Oooohhh! Aaaahhhh!
Francis really likes his ideas of ritual and ceremony
Love this show absolutely amazing what they find
Love, love, LOVE that ending!
Fantastic episode!
Great that offering by Francis in the end !
***** I just hope they put a date on it so that no one is confused by this in a few hundred years.
I wonder if it's still there? Locating it would be fairly easy...
Agreed. No words need to be spoken. Just intention. And I think that’s the point he has an understanding of, especially when he talks about ritual, ceremony, spirit and the afterlife. Those articles in the water which have been discovered certainly have a spiritual meaning. They are offerings. I agree with Francis that the pathway constructed of "sacred oaks" is more than just a pathway.
This is the first episode that I have actually heard Phil use the phrase stone the crows lol love it
These are brilliant! Thanks for posting so much! A real labour of love..
@ 20:52 "That's plenty far, THERE'S A TRUCK!!" almost needed to fill the postilion of Presenter...
My family's farm is on a known "mound builder culture" site, next to where rare statuary was found in the past... watching these always makes me want to grab a shovel.
The ending. .. .****chef's kiss*****
great to listen to the ,most probably carefully scripted, banter of the Team on the site. but it is THIS that brings life and Tony a -SIR- that made the Series such a success.
The ancients stored their swords or other iron, brass, bronze items into the clay/mud, that is notoriously of non-oxygen soil. No oxygen, no ixidizing, no rust or corrosion! This is why we find so many swords buried in waterway and wetland muck
"I want some grave goods please." He sounded almost like Baldrick!
No doubt, Sir Tony had some sort of cunning plan.
P.S. I call your Take Five and raise you a Blue Rondo a la Turk.
They have two wood posts sticking up Crenza asks are they in a line ???? hahaha. Then Francies oh yes they are in a line. Have
to love archeologists.
If you watch enough of these you'll notice that the archeologists ask a lot of very obvious questions for the viewers' sake.
Viewers who might not know anything about archeology (the target audience).
She knew they were roughly in alignment. It was just her turn to ask the beginner's questions. They all do it at some point in all the episodes.
I love Francis. :D
He always seems to be going off on flights of fancy, projecting all sorts of things on ancient peoples that he can't really know. I find that disconcerting.
Thanks so much for posting
This is my only show to watch and learn while I eat but then this poets second love is Everything history equal to animals.
"OOuuhhh ! ......... AAAAhhh!!" 14:22
"I want some grave goods please" - Tony
He nearly got his wish too after running off into the road like that. *shakes head*
@@YT-hv5ro you mean near the blocked off lane? Don’t be a moron.
@@Invictus13666 Tbf I am a moron. I also don't remember what I was referencing or replying to at all.
Stone the Crows! Yeah, I had to look that one up.
that bronze sword at the end will mess with archeologists in 1 or 2 thousand years!
I wonder how many people with a metal detector tried to find that damn sword....got enuff assholes out there who would do just that...and keep it.
highonimmi so true! That’s just criminal
I liked their silent respect,a geasture for sure but poingnant(?),people still toss coins in a fountain afterall.Excuse spelling please
Indeed! I don't think anyone engraved a warning message on it.
It proves conclusively that the barrow was still in use up through the late 20th Century! Amazing!
Love this ending!!
100 years from now someone is going to find that short sword and proclaim that the level it was found at was the beginning of the silver age.
-lol at the arguments between francis and stwart, if its not that, its John Gater and Stewart. Seems that people love to argue with Stewart lol. But he's good at doing his homework.
My money is always on Stuart. While John's technology is valuable, he doesn't seem to analyze the data as thoroughly as Stuart does his. I also think Francis draws a lot of romantic conclusions with slim evidence.
@@mauryhan Geo phys was hard to analyze, to be fair. Sometimes John's resulst is just scrambled pixels, and it's no one's fault. Stewart does an outstanding job every time, doing the big picture work on the site. I think both of them get a bit more cheeky comments because they can handle it.
@@mauryhan Francis's musing border on outlandish for me at times. I don't know why it rubs me the wrong way :/
He forgot to 'ritually' break the bronze sword. =)
That's the sign that it's Not bronze age. At the prehistoric museum in St. Germain en Laye, France, there's a whole huge showcase full of broken and mutilated bronze objects, mostly weapons. And I believe these sorts of deposits have been found in Ireland, as well. So a pretty generalized celtic cultural practice?
@@cathjj840 Or because it is a bridge in the bronze age when neighboring settlements would go raid their neighbors, bridges being defensible positions and you find allot of weapons at them? Ritual or evidence of combat? Francis has a fixation on everything being ritual, find a pot in 50 feet of a grave it's ritual, entrance faces south it's ritual even though that's the best use of sunlight. If Phil farted next to Francis, Francis would say it was ritual.
@@BluntofHwicce Is that the episode where he claimed it was an island of the dead but turned out to be a village people were living on the island with one barrow that could be described as the village cemetery? Yeah whole theory on how the island was all about ritual and no evidence to support it, but plenty of evidence supporting habitation.
As for the sword in question, nicks and dings along the edge showing it was used in combat. Bent in a way bad edge alignment during a cut will cause. Flaw in the casting where it was broken. A nick in the edge at the same part of the blade can be expected to catastrophically fail if you have bad edge alignment in a cut. Bronze age sword found in water at the land side of a bridge to an island that was a settlement, showing clear signs of use... sounds like combat to me.
Then there's the spear heads found in the same area. Point down in the muck at the bottom of the water. Break a spear shaft 6-12 inches from the head and toss it into water and it will go down point first like a lawn dart. If it is soft silt or vegetation on the bottom then it will stay point down. What happens during combat? Broken spear shafts. Broken spear shafts found in the same area as a clearly used in combat sword? That's not ritual but attacking and defending the village evidence.
As for no corpses? Who would leave corpses at the only way to get to their village? Friends, family, and neighbors would be properly dealt with. Everyone else dragged off into the woods and left or mass grave far from the village.
Then it is a bridge to a village, Have you ever been under a foot bridge during a drought? Obviously Francis hasn't because if he had he wouldn't be surprised at all of all the items found if he had. Jewelry, coins, many valuables, and random crap can be found under any modern foot bridge over a body of water... And nobody is tossing it over as gifts to water gods... well maybe crazy frank is but he is crazy as F.
Then to further spit in Francis face, he claims bronze had some unknown magical godlike properties people were amazed by.. and yet people were smelting copper for hundreds of years and discovered copper because of gold. Gold being naturally found in it's metal form and was a pretty shiny malleable rock that can be hammered on to form new shapes. Heat it and it becomes easier to work and won't crack as much(work hardening). Add more heat and have malachite lining your bed of coals and you start getting copper and discover smelting. For a few hundred years everyone gets used to the idea of smelting and working copper or gold and tin gets added to the copper and bronze is discovered. Everyone already had knowledge that the process of smelting and working copper was a thing... making bronze wasn't a huge leap. Francis acts like it happened overnight when it took hundreds if not a thousand years and all of that time was enough for the common folk to know of the process and not be amazed by it even if they were still using flint tools.
@@JETWTF almost none of what you’ve written here has any truth to it...but please, let’s see the books you’ve written etc...do you know how gold was mined in ancient Britain, for instance?
And the thing is, ancient people were big believers in ritual activities...look across the ancient world.
Francis has also said there’s no actual start date for these periods, and that ancient people weren’t stupid (in context ‘primitive’).
I love when something is old enough that they feel the need to explain what GPS is.
In season 2 or 3 Tony explained GPS in detail, with great excitement.
@@basstrammel1322 there's an episode where they explain the increased accuracy of GPS being public after the Korean Air disaster
Francis always heads towards the Ritual, and place of Spiritual Tradition. Clearly these subjects were practiced, artifacts exist, but it's a matter of the area of land, being set aside for a Practice or the site being infused with the daily inhabitation, home, herds, and farming or marketplace.
I'm with Stewart, "Would the inhabitants dedicate time/labor to a site for ritual only, or infuse it into their area of inhabitation?
If they were smaller family groups/Tribes, then clearly "Earth Works" would have been far too time consuming, or it would have required greater numbers tasking together and then routine participation w/oild have taken place.
Stewart ✔
The roundhouse looks like a Mandan Indian Earth Lodge from Central North Dakota, US. It is an exact replica of historical stone age dwellings in the Dakota area of the United States.
I stayed in a yurt in Oregon US a few years ago. They were in a state park, built on a cement platform, complete with a washroom and flush toilet. Not very primative (my tent days are over), but a fun experience.
Dunno how many hundreds of episodes I’ve watched and rewatched, just now realized mick has more than one sweater. This one is vertical stripping, as opposed to his more famous horizontal one
I thought the offering of a bronze sword at the end was beautiful.
Agreed. One of my favorite moments in the series.
Yes. Showing respect to the ancestors. TT was quality television.
I really enjoy your video's.
Beautiful views from Google Earth of this area.
Mike's laugh at 1min 50 secs tells you exactly what he thinks of Tony.
Anybody else tear up at Francis' offering there at the end?
I hope you meant _tear up_ as in _cry!_
Yurt people casually: "2/3 dung 1/3 clay"
Would have loved to come Dave. Have another commitment this weekend, however... Grandkids. Thanks.
Just throwing that out there.
An absolutely fantastic series too bad it's off the air.
You can't dig in the air hence it not being based there
I bet Francis see ceremonial things in his sleep, island of the dead, ceremonial arrowhead, always ceremonial, ceremonial. I say b.s..
People from that time period were exactly like us. Yes, I agree they were more in touch spirituality, but I highly doubt it was all day everyday like it's insinuated.
Btw it's not an arrowhead it's to big.
It's either a knife or spear point that has no special flaking pattern making it ceremonial.
i am no expert at anything! not archaeology or farming but in a farm field that they have been furtilizing every year for 500 years there would be lots of phosphates.( @ 23:01) evenly spread and strong. ??? anyway...love this show!!!!
Francis starts talking about "the island of the dead is the island in the mind". C'mon, it's hard enough to interpret what they did based on the evidence. But to interpret what they thought is just to impose one's present day fancies on people when we have no evidence pointing to that conclusion at all.
I've always had a fascination with Archaeology .. even wanted to be one at one point .. but I do not have the gift of infinite patience. This series helps my fascination/obsession on the subject. The fact that so many of the episodes are in the UK is a bonus for me as well.
My only wish, would be to see ALL of the seasons in some sort of Chronological order. Does anyone know how to do that, or even if it can be done, on RUclips?
Yes, of course. This channel by Reijer Zaaijer has them in order by Season.
Pryor is pomposity personified .
I thought that they should have ritually drowned an archeology trowel at the end; that's their practical "tool" for a proper sacrifice, IMHO....
42:36 the time time theme at this point has an almost Ennio Moricone vibe to it.
I thought they should have broken the sword too. I wonder how close this place was to Must Farm?
Pretty sure the ancient Britons would have cycled around the fen land using these track lands. The distances would have been too far to walk.
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36:00 sea levels have been rising for 10000 years. Sea levels are still rising today. For exactly the same reason. The planet is in a interglacial period.
The rate of temperature rise is greatly accelerated by burning through fossil fuels, that took 10's of millions of years to accumulate, in ~200 years. Inter-glacial warming should take a few thousand years.
@@wiregold8930 confirmation bias is strong in this ok ne.
@@wiregold8930 search holocene thermal maximum. you'll love the fact that the planet was +2C - +6C warmer than today, for 4000 years. co2 might be a driver but it isn't the only driver.
i'm not opposed to nuclear power and electric cars. But you're going to have to fix China and India because nothing the west can do, alone, will fix anything. and all this talk of 4 years to fix the climate is absolute bullshite
Milander just milander Never mind the bronze sword. But since archaeologists always seem to assume people behaving rational and sensible, what would they make out of finding a car in a dried and silted over lake? Would they assume since the car was there, a road must have been there or would they assume it must have been a religious offering to what ever god?
CologneCarter
I agree with you researchers should stick to
finding dating and old seed identifying. Their pathetic theorizing on what humans were thinking does have some validity the fact a researcher can be so stupid today could indicate humans were stupid 4000 yrs ago.But I believe we are getting more stupid and the ancients were more practical. A researcher’s survival is assured in today’s society
stubble around and cash the check. 4000 years ago you needed your wit.
CologneCarter After watching 20 years of time team I've found Francis Pryor has a two favorite words he uses more often than not, "Ritual Site". I have come to the conclusion that phrase is Dr. Pryor's way of saying he has absolutely no idea what a site may be, therefore it's a "Ritual Site"...
+CologneCarter you are correct many researchers are very stupid and a waste of grant money. but the good ones give us great info
Saint Boudreau - "more stupid" - indeed..
How’d I’d they drive the posts into the earth deep enough to hold the trackway? Were they very deep or was the track sort of hang from them the way that a hanging bridge does over a chasm?
Worked along the track probably on a temporary scaffolding until they could sink the next post to anchor onto
I wonder if they could tell objects that decayed by taking video of the dig and filtering out the colors of the soil to get a 3d model.
Wood being rammed into trenches, honestly :-)) :-)) :-))
At the beginning of the programme Francis and Stuart seemed to be getting it on aswell, listen with your eyes shut :-)) :-)) :-))
Something I've always wondered: what do they do with all their finds? Is there some museum solely dedicated to Time Team artifacts? Do they go back in the ground?
Not sure how many episodes you've watched, but sometimes they leave everything where they found it after documenting it's location and taking photographs. Whenever they do take stuff out and clean it up, they leave it with the local museum or whatever local group cares for and maintains archaeological goods.
A lot of the time Tony will say at the beginning of the episode if they've been brought in by a specific person - maybe the landowner - or by a group, usually the local archaeology or historical society.
You have no idea, how museums really look like "behind the scenes". The most impressing, best preserved and significant finds go on display. But they have truck loads of stuff in storage. Partly because they aren't worth displaying as they don't give a meaningful impression to the average museum visitor, partly because because they are rare finds which still need to be studied in order to know what is is and meant to be used for, partly just for reference and comparison. And the rest is just kept for ages just because it is a archaeological find, documented, stored and forgotten.
I am aware that museums have far more than we see as visitors.
NolaGal2601 Good for you. I was addressing +Hypatia4242 .
The time of King Saul and of Gideon... No iron yet, only the neighbours have it...etc..
How did these bronze-age craftsmen know the proper temperature without thermometers, digital or otherwise?
The same way blacksmiths did it for thousands of years, by the color of the flame and the sparks and reactions of the fire itself. Fire and flames act, soud and look different at different temperatures. Once you learn how, you don't forget it. Then you pass that info to the next generation.
@@deetsy4jesus Indeed. It's called _experience_ and few people today have it.
same way a chef would now when the steak is rare, medium rare, medium, medium well or well done.
i wish they had bent and broken that bronze sword.
Walkways are for walking...
Corenza😍😍😍
Sea Level rising????? SO WHAT KIND OF CARS WERE THEY DRIVING TO CAUSE THE ICE CAPS TO MELT?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Do they do a report on each dig?
Kim Epp Yes. TT is responsible for hundreds of site reports over the years
*Kim Epp*
Try www.wessexarch.co.uk and the local archæological societies for each dig.
... kinda suprized there was so little said about the flint arrowhead ... must have been found by a non team member.
They are surprisingly common.
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At 20:50 Baldrc meets lorrie!!!
31:55 they found the loo!
Theres a bridge, theres Francis... Going to be ritual. Francis really needs to go someplace where they have droughts and see what is under bridges.
Why?
Maybe now King Arthur can come back. You never know about these kinds of things.
ThePorkupine73 Doubt it.
Grinning teeth...grin, grijns, gryn, grins (English, dutch, frisian, german).
Do doubt...very very old word.😊
15:40 Special Guest Star Rebel Wilson
dude...you are so wrong....lmao
He said "plowed"
Actually _ploughed_ as it's in *_English_** English.*
Where was geophys? Looking for the walkway would seem to be right up their alley.
Pun intended? :D
Geophysics is currently useless at detecting wet wood in wet peat: they are too similar in response to both resistivity and gradiometry. I hope, however, that some development of ground radar may eventually be able to do this.