Why employers are souring on Ivy League graduates
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
- Forbes' Randall Lane discusses new reporting on why employers souring on Ivy League graduates. Forbes surveyed nearly 300 subscribers to its Future of Work newsletter, with three-fourths of respondents holding direct hiring authority. Among those in charge of employment decisions, 33 percent said they are less likely to hire Ivy League graduates than they were five years ago.
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When I hired for IBM in the 1970's in San Jose, I prefered graduates from Santa Clara U. and SJ State over Stanford and the Ivys. The reason is that graduates from "elite" universities often had a sickening sense of entitlement and arrogance, and could not fit in well with the working environment. On the other hand, graduates from less "elite" universities came with a desire to learn and a motivation to work hard. It was an easy choice.
All the big high-tech companies interview at U of Waterloo and 99% of people have never heard of it. Why? Because Uni level academics is a pure meritocracy in Canada to get in and stay in. After all, would you rather hire someone with a legacy / sports entry into Harvard who has a BA. or someone who fought their way thru a well-regarded comp sci, engineering school with a two thirds attrition rate.
Exactly
Those “non” Ivy Leaugers have to prove themselves … I can say as a Gen x’er with no college degree. Grateful for my success, but I had to work harder to prove myself, because in the back of my head I always felt “less than” due to my insecurity about people with degrees, that drive gave me the fire in my belly. To this day, most people think I have a degree, so I I never sit back and cruise, I’m always learning to stay relevant. Interesting though to see the changes in the new mindset about higher education.
@@whyamiheredlb Many college graduates are doing the same thing, trying to pay back their student loans.
Those guys you didn’t hire went back to their compfy club unis and became the tenured professors we see today camping at Columbia…..bravo 🇺🇸🦨
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As someone who was in the Army and had to deal with a lot of Ivy League Officers, just because you have an Ivy League degree doesn't mean you're smart or have common sense. I've seen a cherry private with more common sense than an educated ivy league butter bar.
When I was in the Army, the worse were the shaved tail 2 LT's with ivy league degrees.
Actually the 2008 financial crisis was largely brought to you thanks to Ivy League graduates.
Amen. Bunch of arrogant ring knockers
Not saying anything derogatory here but my life observation is those with very high intelligence seem more often to have less common sense. Many people in my life have been exceedingly intelligent... Phd's, MIT and Harvard grads, Astrophycist, High level tech, etc.. Just my observation.
Exactly…4+4=8 at Harvard…Yale and every city…public..small town college/university….some of the kids are accepted due to their financial..family ties…..
nobody wants the BS that comes with an Ivy league student.
Like what?
@@NinjaThatLongboardswoke nonsense. I head hunt for a Fortune 50 company and schools with that reputation are blacklisted.
@@neonnoir9692 sure you do. Those companies are full of ivy league grads
@@neonnoir9692Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis both graduated from ivy league schools. Are you suggesting that they're both woke?
@@neonnoir9692also Trump graduated from an ivy league school, is Trump woke?
Prestige isn't static. Things change.
If the quality of what they produce goes down, so does the prestige.
Well said
"The Shreiking Yallie" was a watershed moment.
100% , happens in industry as well , sure path to failure is to rest on a good reputation but do nothing to maintain that reputation.
Graduating young adults are the " product" that a college produces.
If the quality goes down , folks stop buying.
Edward Dutton has explained the history of this one, finishing schools can become exactly that again.
@@churblefurbles ahh a frequenter of the public house I see.
I know and I have worked with quite a few Ivy League grads. I never saw evidence that they were any more qualified or skilled than the people who went to state colleges. Having a degree framed on the wall from Harvard Law didn't make me think they were any better than those who went to law school at University of Oregon. Law school is tough, no matter where you attend.
U of O law school is no joke. I once served on a board with a professor there. He recounted a story how in one of his law seminars, one of the students was called on to discuss the reading and admitted he hadn't finished all of the reading, and didn't know the answer. When this happened a second time, the professor informed the student he had flunked the class.
law school is not that tough, but it's extra easy if your school is too preftigious to believe in grades...
The Harvard Law grads I worked with were brilliant. I found it very soothing to be around people you didn't have to explain things to five times and still not be sure they understood.
So much of law is actually jurisprudence which requires computer skills and also spelling and grammatical skills. I found Ivy League graduates needed considerable remedial training before they were of much use to any firm.
@Curmudgeon2 I think U of Chicago may be objectively the best. It may not be listed in first place, but I know where I'd want to go. Virginia is still great --- Michigan and Berkeley as well. A top grad from any of those can write their own ticket.
Ivy leagues are the biggest dbag factories outside of your local CrossFit gym!
FACTS!!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Awesome!
Ivy League bull on only "accepting" the best and the brightess is pure marketing!! Most common trait of an Ivy league student - A parent that graduated from an ivy league school!
Correct
Facts
@lemmdus2119 I like DEI. Helps to break up the good Ole Boys Monopoly. Smart people of every race. Women are smart too!!!
You mean like Carol Swain?
@psychedelicspirituality I mean like the women who would work for places for years. Know all the in and outs and then was asked to "train" a man to be the manager.
Oh! Oh! Is it because an Ivy diploma just means you had rich parents?
Rich and smart parents who write a lot of their kids' research and term papers.
Over 20 percent of the student body at Columbia isJewish. And even they know the war is wrong
Some kids need help and if the parents can, then all is fair. I'll write my kids resume if I want them to succeed!
And that's the issue here,they don't have any work ethic because their parents did all the work for them💯🤷🤷🤷
Or good scholarships. Without that assist, I could not have gone to college. I was from a rural Ohio village.
Who wants to hire someone who is indoctrinated but not educated?
The government
Every college indoctrinates you. Dumb comment.
Yes we don't want some one waving a Rainbow, Ukraine and Hamas flags. They won't work, like protesting and they are really liking Basements.
This panel loves hearing the sound of their own voices. Such drivel. Talk about no common sense. No wonder people don’t watch MSNBC anymore.
@@vitaminckillscovid103 Which government?
Riding on coattails doesn’t always mean you’re going somewhere
You have to do the work regardless. Caottails are irrelevant in that regard.
Right!
@@patland1762 spoken like a true coat-tail rider, good job ol boy
@@patland1762not today, they lower standards so disadvantaged demographics can compete. Hahahaha
@@user-ol9bo2ei1r so you’re telling me it’s what you know not who you know
Its about time that rich people stop buying easy corporate gigs for themselves and their families
If you're smart and you actually want a successful business.Don't hire any one who comes from an ivy league school.
Any college period. College is not only a scam, but an indoctrination center
Schlump proves that. Penn Wharton School of Business.
@@kbrewski1 yeah, but at least he has a work ethic and most IVy League brats don’t.
@@raevj
"Work ethic"? He played golf almost every day while he was President. While tens of thousands of people were dying because of Covid.
@@raevjNot true. I worked at a top lawfirm that hired predominantly from the Ivys and believe me, EVERYONE was putting in the hours.
Many years ago, my Dad's lawyer told us that he would not hire young lawyers from Ivy League Schools. According to him, they wanted higher salaries and they were lazy. He said. "Give me a hardworking, productive kid from Podunk U, and I will mentor him/her into a great lawyer.
Well. I cannot say anything about employers. From my personal experience, since my cousins were accepted by Princeton, I had a very hard time to deal with my aunt and uncle who are full of over-flowed pride. It IS toxic to work or live with proud persons.
Bc it doesn’t matter as much anymore. Employers don’t give a rip where you went to school, they only care if you can do the job!
As it should be.
I wish that were true. Many firms will reject resumes unless you go to a "target" school, where they actively recruit on campus.
And this edge follows them all through life. I even saw how a Harvard grad got special treatment over a local grad with more relevant experience in INDONESIA. There's a reason they charge the fees they do, it's about ROI after graduation, rather than a quality premium.
I was looking at a job that paid 40k and they were asking for a bachelors degree. Insane.
@taliaeve969 there's jobs requiring a BA for under 30k around my area. Absolutely bonkers.
@@mirn62 yay… no. If any one takes that job and they have a BA they are fools. I personally wouldn’t take a job under 60k entry level if I had that kind of education.
Its a way for oligarchs to identify other oligarchs
Brought to you by state mouth-piece for fascist America, MSNBC.
It’s a 4 year long rich people dating party.
You speak reality, not the fantasy, my friend !
Exactly, at one point it was an easy way to identify those deemed acceptable into their circles.
I love listening to boomers explain what student protesters mean while not interviewing a single one.
Because most of them had their Diplomas paid for by their parents .
Ivy leagues cost the same as other private universities so what are you talking about?
Rabid stereotyping. Where did you get your info? Certainly not from the stats.
Not true. I paid for my Ivy League college education all by myself. Loans and many, many jobs.
@@hesterprynne5965 exactly. This current trend of thinking anyone that attends an Ivy is somehow a spoiled rich kid is ridiculous. The work that goes into getting there is incredible and for the most part extremely well deserved.
Or the tax payer.. seriously some of these kids basically get paid just to go to college.
I am 61 and the world looks like it did when I was 6. Why can't we learn?
God bless everyone.
Democrats have been fighting to keep power since Lincoln fought to free slaves. They will not, will not give up.
Vote MAGA
You mean: with no internet, 3 channels, a population 4/9 as large as now, with an average of 9 acres per person, instead of only 4, fertility rates that were actually *over* replacement levels in most countries - in contrast to now - no confusion on which gender was which, machine intelligence but a faint premonition, gas station attendants, people who actually *walked* outside, obesity a rare phenomenon rather than *half* the population, with colleges that were $100 a semester? It all looks the same, just like that? Yeah, that's what we call being a Boomer, or in your case, early-stage-X-cosplaying-Boomer. That's practically a Boomer trope, "everything's the same as it always was", which is just a fancy defense-mechanism way of expressing head-in-the-sand denial and Future Shock.
As for the "Why can't we learn?" trope (i.e. "Those who don't learn from history repeat it"): history is nothing but a self-contradictory jumble of unrelated facts. Example: "Never fight a land war in Asia" ... Alexander The Great: "Hold My Beer. 22-0, the Rocky Marciano Of Warriors!" [and Kandahar - in case anyone forgot - *both is and means* "Alexandria".] Those who walk backwards in time looking at history for guidance shall suffer the curse of being blindsided from behind by the future. The future is not a logical consequence of the present or past and can only ever be accurately and correctly seen by precognition, such as may exist, and by no other means, whatsoever. And those who derive "lessons" from the self-contradictory hypothesis of history are committing the p-hacking form of deception known as the Lie By Omission.
Unfortunately, we almost had a good time for a bit through the 90's when our friend groups were naturally diverse, we all teased and made of fun of each other and laughed about it. Feminism, gays/trans and blacks won equal rights. What everyone is calling "systematic racism" is usually just dirty cops, poorly trained cops and terrible prosecutors and judges who are looking for wins and not justice...thank our media and politicians for keeping the division and hate alive... I'm with Morgan Freeman, if you want it to stop, stop talking about it...and the Israel/Palestine thing is ridiculous because before Israel there was Judea...JUDEA...as in the land of the JEWS...smh
Zionism
Once prestigious universities. Their prestige is long gone now.
Their prestige was always based on money an exclusion. Never merit.
True BECAUSE OF PEOPLE OF COLOR GETTING IN ON COLOR AND NOT MERIT. PROFESSORS TOO AND LOTS OF PROFESSORS FROM MIDDLE EAST/AFRICAN RADICAL COUNTRIES
People in the comments are feeling themselves bc of this. And you’re looking thirsty. This is EXACTLY what America society wants, a division. These employers don’t give AF about any of you, Ivy League or not. Remember that.
As an employer, this is true. I want someone who can complete tasks on time, and efficiently. I dont care if you came from a trailer park, or went to Yale.
Absolutely true! Corporations don’t care about anyone!
Don’t put your gender pronouns on your resume!
Used both brain cells for this didn't you? Did your mommy give you some crackers and kool aid after?
I'm sure it depends where you're apply.
I work for a corporate outfit involved in American healthcare. Leadership has asked us to document our preferred pronouns in our email signatures.
@@captainspacebones3795 And if you don’t have preferred pronouns you shouldn’t have to add them.
@@roejogan7770 no one was compelled to use preferred pronouns. It was more so we were given an option to add it to our signatures.
I'm like one of the small handful of people in my area that choose to add he/him to my signature.
Ivy league only means you have a rich and well connected mommy and daddy
Unless you are one of the hard-working people of color who could only get into the schools based on actual merit... Not privelege, connections, and/or money.
Not rich but if you got it use it.
Take out a STUDENT LOAN, acquire a BACHELOR'S degree in METAPHYSICS DRAMA, elect a jOE bIDEN to forgive the Loan, and WELLLAH, Ivy we ALL GO‼️
Years ago, I read in a business magazine that Fortune 500 companies had to provide remedial training in how to communicate effectively.
Weirdly enough, at the time, statistics showed that liberal arts majors started a lower job classification and salaries but got more promotions than business majors. Don’t know if this hold true in the present. But the ability to communicate is certainly a career plus.
The ability to come up with the correct number, is more important than being a charming communicator. Most large companies provide ongoing training.
All the big high-tech companies interview at U of Waterloo and 99% of people have never heard of it. Why? Because Uni level academics is a pure meritocracy in Canada to get in and stay in. After all, would you rather hire someone with a legacy / sports entry into Harvard who has a BA. or someone who fought their way thru a well-regarded comp sci, engineering school with a two thirds attrition rate.
@@TheTruth-cg8vjWhere do you find a well regarded engineering school?
It always will be. The most important skills you can possess is exceptional verbal and written communication…..and you don’t need to go to an Ivy league school to acquire that. As a matter of fact, it’s actually something you’re born with. You can make someone who is lacking those skills improve but it’s really a God given ability.
@larryjones9773 Liberal arts majors are not prohibited from taking mathematics, you know. They may be short on lab sciences and applied sciences, but the best ones take calculus and advanced statistics, and a programming class or a CAD class. You must not know a lot of high achievers. Ever heard of Stanford's Symbolic Systems major? Very lib arts heavy.
Sorry but taxation without representation doesnt fly with these youngsters!!!
“Meritocracy” 🤢🤮🤮🤮
👶🏻:My daddy went here and we have money! 💰
The illusion the market
Not true for all Ivy League grads. Not true for me.
Western Capitalistic Meritocracy is practically an oxymoron at this point.
@@joshuahall1581
Lemme guess? You’re a pro DEI socialist?
Nope. I went to Yale and my family was strictly middle class.
I think that in 20 years, a lot of the people protesting on those college campuses are going to look back and feel _really_ stupid about this...
Strange times when suddenly Al Sharpton on MSNBC is in agreement with Fox News regarding the reality of these so-called protests.
As someone who went to an elite school (not Ivy League, but still quite prestegious), I can say from experience that you get the same degree for the same job and the same pay no matter where you go. Yes, class sizes were smaller, and some of the programs were legitimately better than at a state school, but it was also my experience that the quality of the class depended largely on the effort of the teacher. I've taken amazing classes at the local community college where the professor put a lot of thought and effort into creating good discussions and content. I've also taken sub-par classes at my prestegious school where the professor just lectured from the textbook for the whole time. Where you go to school is less important than who does the teaching, and while I do think that my prestegious school had better classes and better overall programs, I also know that you can get a quality education elsewhere if you do your research and pick the best professors. There really is no reason why Ivy League has to carry more weight in terms of who is the best educated or the most hard-working. I think every school has those students. Employers just have to be willing to look past the name on the diploma and ask the important questions about how someone can actually do on the job.
My son went to UVA, brother to Brown, Cousin to MIT.. Once in everyone graduates.
I disagree. I learned more about writing in one year, taking one class per semester at a highly prestigious, *private* art school as a student-at-large, than in three years of law school at a very good state university. It was eye-opening all right. I had no idea what money buys.
There are truly outstanding professors everywhere, and high school teachers as well, but in some places, it's hit or miss --- and online reviews are often worthless or misleading.
This is probably the most rational, impartial, and pragmatic take in the comments on this issue. Thank you.
I am confused when did we end the right to free speech and the right to protest. Genocide is wrong no matter who commits it.
Free speech and the right to protest hasn't gone away..these protests have a different dynamic from all previous protest.. its over a conflict that is happening 1/2 world away ..back then collage protests during Vietnam was because young Americans soldiers were dying in a civil war that many saw as unessasary and not a USA problem..
I agree. Even if I don’t agree with the message (regardless of whether it is hate-filled or not), as an American I strongly defend their write to speak their mind. The only time I don’t support that speech is when is ceases to be speech… violence against others and property damage are not “speech.” But as long as the kids on college campuses are doing what college kids always do in times of war (see Vietnam… it was literally the exact same thing), I’m fine with it. The only reason this is in the media is because both sides want to use the spectacle to rile up their bases and turn it into some big political opportunity. It’s very self-serving. The kids are protesting because they feel passionately about this stuff. MSNBC and Fox only sound as much air time as they do so they can selectively show the few bad actors and sew anger and among their viewers to keep ratings high. I’m a capitalist just like most other Americans, but the desire for profit really seems to far outweigh the goal of creating and keeping a happy, satisfied, respectful and tolerant society. How long before we can vote out the extremists in Congress and get younger, better options for President? We’re due a reprieve from all this political nonsense.
@@Do.your.own.reserch.185.I’m not entire,y sure that’s accurate. For sure, some people were protesting the war because they didn’t think America should have been there and didn’t want to get sent to war themselves. But many also protested because they thought war in general is a senseless act that just leads to death on both sides, both soldiers and civilians alike. So in that respect, I think the Israel protests are similar to the Vietnam ones. Interestingly, you don’t really hear about college kids protesting about us funding Ukraine so it can defend itself against Russia. I think the reason is because in the Israeli conflict, while Israel is literally defending itself after it was attacked, the response has been pretty disproportionate and there is a lot of coverage of Palestinian civilian deaths. I would be curious to see if the protests would die down if Biden said that we’re cutting funding and military aid to Israel until is provides a written and enforceable agreement that says that it will carry out its military campaign in a way that will severely reduce the amount of civilian casualties. Israel can still go after Hamas, but it will have to do so in a more targeted and deliberate way. This will undoubtedly take longer for Israel to accomplish its goal of completely dismantling Hamas, but it may quell the protests and get people back to supporting Israel. Either way, I’m looking forward to all of these global conflicts ending. Hopefully that will be soon. We’ll see…
@@Do.your.own.reserch.185.it is a USA problem because our tax dollars are going to it
@@Do.your.own.reserch.185.
The genocide is being done with our tax dollars. Our kids and grand children will be paying for this genocide. So yes it is our problem
Too worried about indoctrination and not worried about actual education.
ivy league students today are very entitled and expect six figures entry level. they are not experienced in the marketplace and because they have a degree from the ivy league school they expect you to choose them over others that are better qualified.
There’s NO equating the students of ‘68 with the idiots of today!!!
Ain't that the truth! however, the monsters running the show today are those same peace love and pineapple hippies and freedom fighters now turned greedy, narcissistic and manic
How are they idiots protesting a genocide
Why? Both are in the right
Wrong! The students of '68 are the teachers who produced the idiots of today.
@@afridgetoofar1818both are wrong and embarrassing themselves … historical failures
THANK YOU for saying what needs to be said on every news channel: these protests have straight up turned from anger about civilian deaths to support for Hamas and calling for the end of the state of Israel, and it's crazy!
No it's not
you will lose your license and work support when supporting isreali government and geeen ocide is turned against over here. Just watch Rachelle. You are inhumane.
And lets not forget "DEATH TO AMERICA" chants of these pampered lil' narcissists !
Thats just not true. Many of the activists protesting are Jews who are outraged that atrocities are being carried out in their name by a brutal settler-colonialist regime.
Full circle. Went from protest genocide caused by Israel to wanting a genocide on Israel. The irony
How about the media stop putting this on the news and it'll all go away! These idiots want coverage and if the news went away, so would they!!!😅😅😅
Lol. Yup totally. A Harvard degree, a Yale degree, a Penn degree, definitely doesn’t better position you for a career than a Boston College or a Wisconsin (my alma mater) or a Maryland.
Stop the dishonest framing. This isn’t what employers are actually doing
Boston College isn't Ivy League but it is still an expensive school that isn't easy to get into.
UW-Madison is a Public Ivy and classified as R1 University
@@ThroughTheHaze
Thank you for supporting my point
@@FHi349
Thank you for supporting my point
Although Penn is considered an Ivy League school, it's not as elite as Harvard and Yale.
Employers probably dont want to hire terrorists. Community college kids are better anyway. They arent out there protesting to get out of class. They are busy getting their work done and learning.
Potential employers now scour the social media accounts of the applicants. The degrees of some mean nothing when they make idiots of themselves on SM.
Agreed! Don't open any doors for them. They'll seek any chance to interrupt business, sabotage, and revenge. Don't hire them!
Community colleges and also tech schools are great places for employers to search for new hires.
And too busy working to pay for their schooling.
Exactly!
Actually, the Ivy grads i've worked with who had degrees in real subjects, like engineering, computer science, tend to be a cut above most people in intelligence. But the ones with degrees in things like sociology and identity studies, tend to be nothing special
Um, the Ivy League schools don't teach engineering. You need to go to a school like MIT or CalTech for that. Ivy League undergrad are liberal arts colleges.
@@jdulmaine Cornell engineering is a top 5 CS school??
In the 60s and 70s people read Exodus and The Source, and had survivors of the Holocaust visit their classrooms. We were aware of more ancient and recent history. The youth today have not been exposed to this kind of grounding. I couldn’t believe how year after year public schools in our state focused on the Revolution and the Civil war, and the time if Civil rights is painted so bleakly now -fearing chaos vs applauding needed change. How can the media help to show this to younger people before hateful rhetoric becomes engrained? How can nuanced history be enshrined over single truth thinking about history in time for this election?
behind all bad policy, you'll find a harvard grad.
The Vietnam and Iraq wars were architected by Ivy League grads.
How many people in the executive ranks of MSNBC and CNN are ivy league grads?
I guess that explains DeSantis.
@@toddsheridan9113
Watch Sean Hannity.
Trump selected him as top-level presidential house painter.
"Ted Cruz". LOL
A community college grad probably has more common sense , work ethic and honesty
True. They don’t get degrees for hiring skin, like demokkkrats
I thank you for this because I am a community college professor. Trust me, we're not here for the money. We're here for the love of our students. I appreciate your point of view and thank you once again
Maybe. Every group of people is the same, some good some bad. Villifying groups of people...I'm against it.
@@1963sz All the work and not much of the glory. You are appreciated. I am in my late 60s now and I know dozens and dozens of people educated through the community college system. They are all doing great.
I disagree on that started off in community college have my MBA and working on my second masters at Georgetown. I'm grateful to be were I'm at today.
Hamas was founded in 1987 by Ahmad Yassin. Palestinian civilians have been jailed, tortured and murdered by Hamas from its beginning. Netanyahu knows this. Bombing civilians has nothing to do with making Hamas accountable..
Al Sharpton is full of himself
Why is he looking like he's already been embalmed?!
More like a bobble-head Al Sharpton doll.
Al Sharpton has been a walking septic tank for years!😮
I miss Rush Limbaugh's audio spoof of Sharpton and his bullhorn.
@@angieponders3844 😂😂😂😂😂
Students have become knowledgeable about the true origins of Israel and this coupled with the slaughtered in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem have led them to fightful protests.
How are UC Berkeley and UCLA NOT on the Public School list?
Total propaganda
A basic garbage heap ...
This country is fully lacking social lifts. The rare exceptions only underscore the main fault line of the society.
It seems like there are two main types of Ivy League students. The high achievers who got straight A's and those who have rich parents that donate to the school. Although, sometimes a student will fit both types, which is probably what the school prefers.
It's odd that so many people imply that nepotism is the reason people get into good schools but not why they land good jobs. This seems like the least likely reason.
When I thought of applying to the Ivy's, the majority of the application was dedicated to you listing how many of your family members had attended. I didn't even bother filling it out. If they cared more about them than me, then they were living in the past amd resting on their laurels.
Employers are watching 👁
I think the reverend knows who signs his paycheck.
Society needs people who can work together. Not persons who want to fight and discredit every piece of our society.
Maybe it's the snotty attitudes that comes with Ivy League brats
That and they are used to being pampered. In my work experience, I was not very impressed with the coworkers who went to private universities (had rich parents). They seem to have a harder time competing in the chaotic, real work world.
My ophthalmologist is a graduate of Harvard Medical School. She's made some critical errors and I'm losing confidence in her.
"don't murder kids" woah, you snot brained elite!
Do you even know a single ivy leage college graduate lol
@@la6136 there's been a few throughout my life unfortunately
@@larryjones9773 They make terrible resort owners like Bluefin Bay resort on Lake Superior.
I watched two men both with dual business degrees from Harvard and Yale run a business into the ground and file bankruptcy. After they suckered a lot of venture capital with those laurels, everyone is now sucking wind on that business.
The propaganda is amazing... you can see the contrast
I no longer watch American media.
MSNBC at it's BEST ‼️🙄
The problem is that most modern universities educate all common sense out of the students, and it is becoming very very obvious.
We are in a constant state of whiplash , history will keep repeating itself ,especially when education is warped by Idealists.
Frankly the *"IDEALOGS"* pushing DEM ideas is right *HERE* , same channel, at ALL TIMES and *EVERY "DAMNED" DAY* ‼️ Nothing changes, even with whom THEY choose to *HATE* ‼️
They’re rich and cheat.
I went to state college. They were not rich but many cheated too.
I only hire from community college graduates. Less drama & more appreciative of their job & we get things done. Respect to all my fellow employees.
I would never hire one of them in my company.
Don't act like "kids" can't learn without school!
Employers want slaves, not thinking people. So now they punish education and lower wages. It's a simple formula for human bondage.
Pretty poor outlook on life there. A defeatist attitude that I'm sure will take you far. Far into the unemployment line. LOL.
Pay back your student loan!
You got that right! No doubt about it. No more fair wages out there
@@lucycan6363 What is the definition of a “fair wage?”
@@wackedoutonweed I'm retired, MAGApath. But scurry off to work. The masters are cracking their whips. Hurry, hurry.
I was 18 in 1968. Senior in high school. Martin Luther King Jr., Bobby, Chicago. Became an activist overnight. But we need strong leaders to keep peaceful protests peaceful. There really are "outside agitators" who bully people into going too far. I don't mean political leaders, I mean leaders who will march and inspire like Dr. King did. I call on all progressive pastors to create armies of the peaceful to walk the streets. Remember when moms were showing up at protests to help protect their kids? We need guardian angels to help us stick to the righteous path - not referring to the organization the Guardian Angels, but a similar idea. Putting good out there to fight evil.
Maybe some *FBI "IN'PLANTS"* like that January 6 THINGY‼️ RIGHT⁉️
I feel like we have a culture of protesting now. it started in 2020 and it's been non stop ever since. was it like that then? I just feel like Even if you have a legitimate reason to protest now, people aren't paying attention cuz they've been burnt out from the constant crying from somebody, that we don't listen anymore. 15 years ago. I was in college and thought it was cool and progressive , now I just assume it's a kid who doesn't have much else to do
@@LucaJacobson8168atleast they took it to where it mattered. didn't trash their own towns or buildings or get in anyone's way. Maybe Biden would actually listen if they did
After the college admissions scandal stories from over a few years ago I don't think highly of a number of prestigious universities.
Yes, students be good little peons like MSNBC tells you to be
No one wants to hire someone who they see as a liability rather than an asset. College graduates nowadays seem to skew towards one political party that insists on telling them that they're victims. These people will be the first to cause problems at work over things that are not crimes.
Test scores were only implemented AFTER school integration. If they weren't needed before, why are they needed now? The answer is obvious but I'll wait.
So you buy a pound of meat without knowing it's weight? If you want intelligent incomming students you give them a test to measure their level of intelligence, simple.
To keep standards? Look up McManaras morons during the Vietnam war and the danger of not holding standards
Maybe because the US population documented is 300 million now and there is still only 8 original ivies. There has to be some ways to weed out people. Life is never supposed to be fair. If you truly make it to there then you are part of the elites.
I’ve worked in higher education for over a decade for an elite Ivy institution and a major public university. I also attended a regular private institution and an Ivy myself. In my experience the Ivy institutions provide a much better education by far no doubt in my mind and also access to higher quality faculty research experiences and greater opportunities.
My father is a PhD and he’s considered brilliant by many professors and many other PhD‘s around the world, and he DID NOT go to an Ivy League college! I’m about to graduate with my bachelors in psychology. And I was worried about this. Because after my bachelors, I’m going straight for my PSYD degree and I was wondering if it would be better to go an Ivy or regular college. And I’ll tell you guys exactly what he told me! Whether is an Ivy League college or regular college…. We are ALL trained the SAME WAY learning the SAME material! Ivy leagues are basically for bragging rights! I’ve spoken to a couple of therapist when it comes to my mentorship and supervision in psychology! Believe it or not…. One went to a regular college, and the other went to an Ivy League College. The one who went to a regular college was actually better and cheaper than the one who went to an Ivy League college according to clients! What does that tell you???
Congratulations to your Dad! I'm working on my dissertation now - not from an Ivy League school.
Don't worry about not attending Harvard or Yale - employers aren't impressed. Good luck to you!!
But..what about MY feelings!?
That's why I'm HERE, MSNBC, I hear what they allows me to hear and everything suddenly becomes CLEAR ‼️🤗
What are your feelings? 😅
I have always wondered why employers don't just use skills based testing. The software industry has it right: who cares what institution they are from, make them design and program something...it will be immediately obvious if they are one of the "real ones".
The factor of the matter is this most college students are cowards and it's better that a coward is unheard and unseen. When most of the people see cowards protest the instant thought is then why aren't you going out there to fight your "enemies" ... they simply don't have it in them.
The expression is,
the fact of the matter,
not
the factor of the matter
So it's okay to protest against America but not Israel?? We live in a crazy time...
We were warned.
"Albert Einstein Letter to the New York Times"
Not buying it.
People are sick of colonialism because it’s wicked
*For those who think students at Ivy League colleges all come from wealthy families, think again. These colleges have such huge endowments that they're tuition free for lower and middle class families.*
Wrong. They have the money and don’t give it…maybe 10 percent. Get those scholarships.
@@threetimesfinal1618 Well, I went to Yale, so I should know. But don't believe me, check it out for yourself.
I wouldn’t work with the IVY league schools. Former Executive Human Resources.
Please explain why.
All the big high-tech companies interview at U of Waterloo and 99% of people have never heard of it. Why? Because Uni level academics is a pure meritocracy in Canada to get in and stay in. After all, would you rather hire someone with a legacy / sports entry into Harvard who has a BA. or someone who fought their way thru a well-regarded comp sci, engineering school with a two thirds attrition rate.
@@hesterprynne5965 They are very hard to deal with, full of pride and hard to negotiate.
I'm 60 years old, and I've noticed that esteemed credentials don't equate moral fortitude nor ethical standing.
a grown man who chose to wear THAT HAT on national television is in absolutely no position to talk about OTHER people's "critical thinking skills"
He has no etiquette!
I agree with George. He' right. There has been a genocide in Gaza. Good for these young people for speaking up.
YT will erase your comment in three...two...
@@winstonsmith6607true
Yes for sure
@@winstonsmith6607 Mostly Peacful Terrorists yelling DEATH TO AMERICA!!!
WRONG. Biden's spokesman said there is ZERO evidence of that.
Appears like chaos? It's always nothing but chaos. And that's exactly the plan. This is actually the most common sense and balanced newscast I have seen from these people in years. Actually good to see
Expel all those ridiculous students. They are out there like it's Coachella
I worked on a project with three Ph.D.'s decades ago at a large aerospace company studying the comparative performance of Ivy League graduates versus non Ivy league graduates at the company. I was the only non Ph.D. on the team. Though these Ph.D.s insisted we use regression (invalidly) in this study there was no apparent correlation between type of college and overall performance as an employee. I was an intelligent lowly state college grad and pointed out the study was flawed (I had the stats degree) and they agreed LOL.
To correct George Packer, the DNC convention was last held in Chicago in 1996, I’d expect some basic research from a Yale educated journalist.
You just proved the point
this seems like an ADL story to discredit and to hurt the popular protests
So why is "ever region designated A SAFE ZONE" been STRUCK by AIR & GROUND FORCES (WITH DEADLY RESULTS)
BY THE SAME INDIVIDUALS "WHOM DESIGNATED THAT REGION A SAID SAFE ZONE"???......
🤔🤔🤔
Well? If Stefanik, Cruz, Hawley, etc…are examples of what they are teaching at Ivy League schools? I’m soured on them too.
This was the dumbest discussion I've heard.
Just don't hire'em!
Well you're at the right place, MSNBC. Don't fret, more coming, STAY TUNED ‼️😉
Look at the people in charge. The epitome of horrible.
That “new ivy” list should include military academies
Reverend Sharpton should spend a lot of time on campus talking with the protestors.
So should Joe. But he's still such a dyed in the wool republican it wouldn't get thru.😊
Weird to have a bunch of opinions about the students who are neither students nor young. Such poor representation and really poor “journalism”. I’m quickly losing respect for MSNBC. So one sided.
Finally catching ON, the one sided *THINGY* , yet in prevails soo many other Topics TOO.
*"P R O P A G A N D A"* ‼️
I have hired a second generation Penn grad and a guy from Andover then M.I T. Both were great hires. I also hired an immigrant from San Francisco Community College. He was my best employee ever. There is no way to generalize.
It’s not selecting the most talented or best. It’s the ones who can afford it.
Maybe rich people will stop sending their children to get an education.
What a waste an Ivy League degree is
If employers had an ounce of sense, they would be looking for people who graduate from decent, lower-level state universities. Their students have usually had to successfully overcome a number of adversities to get their diplomas. They know the value of hard work, dedication, and how to meet challenges.
Legacy and 1st gen worked hard for those admissions. I can’t say the same for the lazy kids who automatically qualifies just because the parents went there.
Why are the student protestors still wearing masks, and outdoors at that?
It is to partially hide identity from the pictures and press.
are you sure they're students? probably not many student IDs either.
One mask wearing student said they didn’t want to be identified and risk the consequences of their actions. So brave …
legacy admission nepo babies aren’t the best employees
As an employer whose interviewed over a dozen Ivy League grads, they’re largely not worth worth it. They are too neurotic and lack general life skills like good team playing, charisma, practicality while being narrowly very focused on things that aren’t actually useful. I’d take someone from a state school or a college dropout with effective skills any time