Thank you for the video. In my opinion, you were quite harsh on these headphones. Both the Sony 720 and these were class leading (of the ones I tried, along with consensus amongst other publications) at this price point. I found 1 of the criticisms valid (they are a bit tight) but the problem with the other knocks is that you simply cannot compare this offering from Senn with other offerings in significantly higher price brackets. Consider for example Senn gives you here both manually adjustable eq and wizard driven. How do we come to a knock conclusion because we don’t have the gold standard of both simply because an esoteric AKG has the feature? For the price point, I found the package of build quality, sound, controls and ANC to be the best for me, with the 720 right in the mix. My 2 cents.
@panda1412. Hey, that's not true! There's plenty of us losers out there who also own wireless noise canceling stuff :) It's simply just too good to not own something like that from a convenience standpoint! Only reason i made this joke was because I personally know resolve has his grumbles about the wireless stuff lol
@@SheepDude-qp7ux then your created your own downfall... That like me complaining that switch graphics aren't good after spending hours on a gaming PC..
@@panda1412.it seems you didnt read or understand any of the 2 comments he made 🤷♂️ He was joking around because Resolve once mentioned that reviewing wireless anc headphones is a pain in the ass, mainly because of measuring them is a time consuming task (lots of run to run variation). His 2nd comment basically said that wireless anc headphones are quite good for a lot of use cases. So why the condescending replies?
Been waiting literally years for an ANC headphone to come out, that doesn't cost an insane amount, that also sounds good and doesn't have major flaws. Guess I'll have to keep waiting?
@@panda1412. First RUDE second I vould buy an airpods yet that thing still sucks. airpods pro or galaxy buds are OK-ish but for a full size TWS we dont have an option at any price point. if audeze could alter the Maxwells features and give us an alternative for everyday use that would be the closest thing for this niche.
Thanks for the review I was close to buying them but I also have a large head and always issues with over-ear headphones. Do you have any other recommendations for "large head" individuals?
I wonder if the frequency numbers on the eq are really the number shown or just a picked number to represent low, medium, high? Have you ever tested it on any headphone❓
love their sound, bit hard on the head, but most serious: NOT LOUD ENOUGH!! Forget AC/DC or Queen on these!Got smaller beyerdynamic, admittedly more expensive, but so much more punch.
I was gonna comment about AKG's app and EQ (which works fairly well IME), but then there it was! As for price, I thought they dropped significantly. I have both the N700NC M1 and M2, and I paid $100 or less for each (on clearance or sale). Easy to recommend for
Ok I know that without hearing recommending a headphone is not a the best thing but theres also Edifier -Stax spirit s3? that thing is tuned to be flat to IEF neutral? and speaking of which why dont you guys review it? and theres also jbl tune 710-720 bt , I've tried these. they sound great
Hi, I was wondering if these headphones had a "normal mode", I mean if it is possible to use them with both anc and transparency switched off, can someone help me?
There is a mode that is very close to that. When playing in anc turn on wind noise reduction; i've found that makes it very close to simple passive noise cancellation as of now
I actually bought the momentum 4 when they came out and I had to return them for numbers of reasons. But I had these Accentums for about two weeks now and they are perfect for me. 😊
@@thefoolsgold The Momentums 4 "M4" were great sounding headphones. But the touch controls, weight, warm ear cups and the feaulty auto on/off feature in the case were the main issues. I actually like the earcups on the Accentums a little more (they feel slightly bigger to my ears comparing) and I dont get fatigue after a couple of hours because of the lighter weight and foam on the earcups as to M4. I would say the Accentums are a little more cold sounding with about -20% bass compared to the M4. I think the M4 were to bass heavy before EQ.
Currently i'm using Soundcore Q30. I don't know is that worth switch to this headphone. In my country there's no option like try it sound then buy it.Any recommendations ?
The ergonomic data companies use for headphone design must be totally wack....or non existent. Who does it well consistently? Anyone? Bose might be the closest. I remember the OG triport was revolutionary to what I had owned in the past. The comfort was 10x going from headphones that touch your ears to one that doesn't. That was too long ago, everyone else should have figured it out by now! FFS we can 3d print stuff now, there should not be many excuses left for bad ergonomics
@@Th3Shrike in my case is never the headband the issue.. But with sundara and 400 se.. Is pad touching my ear... For some reason my ears are less flexible and for this reason can be uncomfortable... With the ananda the ear never touch the earpads right?
You have to have some serious OCD when slight background hiss bothers you (when no music is playing). I can go to sleep to slight hiss. I can completely ignore it. Mainly because I'm only wearing headphones when listening to music or watching video. I'm not wearing them for too long without doing any of those things. 😅
Wavelet and powramp are not PEQ, they are a 128 step GEQ filter and there measurements are really poor. Get a qudelix if you want no compromises to accuracy.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 with the latest update Poweramp has gained a full parametric EQ. you can adjust specific frequencies, Q value etc. but its not easy to acces; I did this with altering an AutoEQ preset.
That's one solution, but when the main point of wireless headphones is their features and ease of use it would be nice to have a useful EQ, that is saved on the headphones and works with any device you connect them to.
well the momentum series always had that rich detailed ,excellent instrument separation sound with best vocal productions in the wireless headphone league but this time with that kind of tuning the muddied veiled vocals , and untextured base and weird mids really dont do justice to the great audiophile grade drivers on these headphones . hope they fix the tuning through firmware update soon and give us back that sennheiser soun!d
I really loved that app eq test functionality in my Momentum 3:s. Really just a fun interactive way to do it. The kind of problem is that with headphones that you'll often be using on the go, you might want different frequency responses when you're, say, on the bus, or in the office or school, or at home.
So Sennheiser think that most people are too dumb to know how to use EQ. I'd like to see them use that in their marketing campaign. Something like "We're including EQ for dummies because we know most people are too dumb to understand EQ." LOL
Dumbing down everything everywhere to "automatic" and "smart", with no option to override it, often even in so-called "pro" versions that cost more, absolutely infuriates me. You don't know me, you don't know my tastes, you don't know how smart your "smart" systems actually are - so just leave an optional "advanced" or "manual" mode, and explicitly color-code it in orange and red, and put a big label on it if you have to... and let it be. You can even lock it first somewhere in the menu, but _let people choose for themselves_ when they already paid you, goddammit.
I like the idea of showing FR graphs with preference “boundaries,” but I think you should still always show the Diffuse Field target as a dotted line. Otherwise I don’t have any way to gauge the “boundaries” against my own auditory memory of regions I know I’m sensitive to from other headphones.
So we're not using a 'diffuse field target', we're using the DFHRTF of the measurement rig. So this is compensated to flat DF, NOT tilted DF, if that makes sense. The tilt is the preference bounds - I think I showed it a bit in this video where you can see the 10dB slope within the preference bounds to help folks get a sense of that. But, in truth that 10dB line is just a far more coarse grained view of the preference window. It's the same thing, just without the nuances of preference variation around that 10dB tilt.
@@kenc2894 this. Spent so much timeover the years looking at raw graphs and learning how to read them across dozens of headphones I've gone through, but now I'm utterly confused by this new method. I've watched the videos and read the posts but I'm still lost.
@@meangoooo It will take time, and a lot more educational videos I'm sure. What I ask is that folks be patient while we roll out additional explainers to help get those used to reading the older graph paradigm up to speed.
Sooooo... at the end, are these headphones GOOD enough for the average consumer and people who want to listen in detail to their music, like rock music?... Stop doing such reviews talking about measurements and frequencies and stuff that most people don't understand about a product that is focused on casual listeners!
I completely agree with you brother, the EQ Settings in the app isn't completely user friendly. Sometimes my momentum 4 is rattling while using third party Equalizer apps, please let me know what to do and love from India ❤️❤️❤️.
I was at the Toronto Audiofest..and went into the Sen’s room ..everything apart from the Orpheus ..sounded like ass . In contrast the Abyss offerings were absolutely fantastic …something is def off with Sen’s lately. Btw, I still run the Sen’s 650..and it’s one of my favorites . Great video on THHHHEEEESSSSEEEE🤣
Thank you for the video. In my opinion, you were quite harsh on these headphones. Both the Sony 720 and these were class leading (of the ones I tried, along with consensus amongst other publications) at this price point. I found 1 of the criticisms valid (they are a bit tight) but the problem with the other knocks is that you simply cannot compare this offering from Senn with other offerings in significantly higher price brackets. Consider for example Senn gives you here both manually adjustable eq and wizard driven. How do we come to a knock conclusion because we don’t have the gold standard of both simply because an esoteric AKG has the feature? For the price point, I found the package of build quality, sound, controls and ANC to be the best for me, with the 720 right in the mix. My 2 cents.
That weird frequency response result is a reason people should be able to do their own EQ.
Did resolve have to be bribed with a lollipop to review another wireless noise cancelling headphone? 😂
Well most people aren't losers who sit at home with a whole setup just to hear sound...
@@panda1412. 🤦🤦♂🤦♀
@panda1412. Hey, that's not true! There's plenty of us losers out there who also own wireless noise canceling stuff :)
It's simply just too good to not own something like that from a convenience standpoint! Only reason i made this joke was because I personally know resolve has his grumbles about the wireless stuff lol
@@SheepDude-qp7ux then your created your own downfall... That like me complaining that switch graphics aren't good after spending hours on a gaming PC..
@@panda1412.it seems you didnt read or understand any of the 2 comments he made 🤷♂️
He was joking around because Resolve once mentioned that reviewing wireless anc headphones is a pain in the ass, mainly because of measuring them is a time consuming task (lots of run to run variation).
His 2nd comment basically said that wireless anc headphones are quite good for a lot of use cases.
So why the condescending replies?
Been waiting literally years for an ANC headphone to come out, that doesn't cost an insane amount, that also sounds good and doesn't have major flaws. Guess I'll have to keep waiting?
Or stop being poor
@@panda1412. First RUDE
second I vould buy an airpods yet that thing still sucks.
airpods pro or galaxy buds are OK-ish but for a full size TWS we dont have an option at any price point.
if audeze could alter the Maxwells features and give us an alternative for everyday use that would be the closest thing for this niche.
@@panda1412. everyone is poor, including you, relative to actual rich people. We're in the same boat man :(
Easy. Get the Final UX3000.
Thanks for the review
I was close to buying them but I also have a large head and always issues with over-ear headphones.
Do you have any other recommendations for "large head" individuals?
I wonder if the frequency numbers on the eq are really the number shown or just a picked number to represent low, medium, high? Have you ever tested it on any headphone❓
love their sound, bit hard on the head, but most serious: NOT LOUD ENOUGH!! Forget AC/DC or Queen on these!Got smaller beyerdynamic, admittedly more expensive, but so much more punch.
What to buy these or the audio technica ath-m50xbt2?
The Shure Aonic 50 (both gens) have the parametric EQ (4 bands only but also allows you to select the range as well as the frequency and gain).
I was gonna comment about AKG's app and EQ (which works fairly well IME), but then there it was! As for price, I thought they dropped significantly. I have both the N700NC M1 and M2, and I paid $100 or less for each (on clearance or sale). Easy to recommend for
might wanna look those up again. they are crazy expensive/unavailable now
Sadly AKG discontinued those towards the beginning of this year, and the sellers that still have them want way more than they're worth
Ok I know that without hearing recommending a headphone is not a the best thing but theres also Edifier -Stax spirit s3? that thing is tuned to be flat to IEF neutral?
and speaking of which why dont you guys review it?
and theres also jbl tune 710-720 bt , I've tried these. they sound great
Hi, I was wondering if these headphones had a "normal mode", I mean if it is possible to use them with both anc and transparency switched off, can someone help me?
There is a mode that is very close to that. When playing in anc turn on wind noise reduction; i've found that makes it very close to simple passive noise cancellation as of now
I actually bought the momentum 4 when they came out and I had to return them for numbers of reasons. But I had these Accentums for about two weeks now and they are perfect for me. 😊
What were those reasons, if you dont mind sharing? I'm trying to decide between the two
@@thefoolsgold The Momentums 4 "M4" were great sounding headphones. But the touch controls, weight, warm ear cups and the feaulty auto on/off feature in the case were the main issues. I actually like the earcups on the Accentums a little more (they feel slightly bigger to my ears comparing) and I dont get fatigue after a couple of hours because of the lighter weight and foam on the earcups as to M4. I would say the Accentums are a little more cold sounding with about -20% bass compared to the M4. I think the M4 were to bass heavy before EQ.
@@P0wer2R0llnow with some updates there are no issues with the auto off and the touch controll
But the Accenture sound volume is so low did I manage to sort it out
Currently i'm using Soundcore Q30. I don't know is that worth switch to this headphone. In my country there's no option like try it sound then buy it.Any recommendations ?
The ergonomic data companies use for headphone design must be totally wack....or non existent. Who does it well consistently? Anyone? Bose might be the closest. I remember the OG triport was revolutionary to what I had owned in the past. The comfort was 10x going from headphones that touch your ears to one that doesn't. That was too long ago, everyone else should have figured it out by now! FFS we can 3d print stuff now, there should not be many excuses left for bad ergonomics
Is this REALLY a Sennheiser Headphone?
It's officially time to call this headphone the Senova Accentum
Seinheiser was at its best before there was any real competition.
Same with bose and noise canceling
This is better than sony wh-ch720n for sure (for headphone under 200 dollar)
I used to have a sennheiser HD595, it fit well over my ears, do you know if the Accentum compares to that one for size?
just ge final ux3000 instead
Pls review the Bose qc ultra headphones !
Andrew .. your ears are not big at all.. the weird thing here is how sennheiser can built redicolus small ear cups thinking are gonna be confortable
I would ask the same to almost every single headphone manufacturer...
yeah... thats why i just bought a edition xs@@panda1412.
They're average customer is 17 years old and ears grow your whole life. I was fine with M50x's 15 years ago and now they're quite small.
Yeah I've been ruined by my hifiman ananda, everything else feels uncomfortable now
@@Th3Shrike in my case is never the headband the issue.. But with sundara and 400 se.. Is pad touching my ear... For some reason my ears are less flexible and for this reason can be uncomfortable... With the ananda the ear never touch the earpads right?
the akg n700 m2 is nearly double the price
That freq graph ouch ,small cups ouch, amp hiss ouch. Did sennheiser even try or did they contract this out to the lowest bidder in china?
You have to have some serious OCD when slight background hiss bothers you (when no music is playing). I can go to sleep to slight hiss. I can completely ignore it. Mainly because I'm only wearing headphones when listening to music or watching video. I'm not wearing them for too long without doing any of those things. 😅
Will you review the Accentum Plus?
If only there was an Android app that had parametric EQ. Why doesn't the headphone show create a PEQ app.
Like Poweramp EQ?
Wavelet and powramp are not PEQ, they are a 128 step GEQ filter and there measurements are really poor. Get a qudelix if you want no compromises to accuracy.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775Qudelix 5K is a Bluetooth receiver.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 with the latest update Poweramp has gained a full parametric EQ. you can adjust specific frequencies, Q value etc.
but its not easy to acces; I did this with altering an AutoEQ preset.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775Not Wavelet but Poweramp yes for sure. Just have to activate parametric in settings
You can always just download a separate eq app And then you eq it from there
That's one solution, but when the main point of wireless headphones is their features and ease of use it would be nice to have a useful EQ, that is saved on the headphones and works with any device you connect them to.
What do you think about HD450BT?
well the momentum series always had that rich detailed ,excellent instrument separation sound with best vocal productions in the wireless headphone league but this time with that kind of tuning the muddied veiled vocals , and untextured base and weird mids really dont do justice to the great audiophile grade drivers on these headphones .
hope they fix the tuning through firmware update soon and give us back that sennheiser soun!d
These days for top quality bluetooth I'd get something with aptX lossless.
I really loved that app eq test functionality in my Momentum 3:s. Really just a fun interactive way to do it. The kind of problem is that with headphones that you'll often be using on the go, you might want different frequency responses when you're, say, on the bus, or in the office or school, or at home.
Petition to review Avantone Planar
PXC 500-ii or Accentum?
Ah, the consumer negative ear-gain to make sure no one will find then unpleasant even if they sound flat and pointless.
Every week there’s a new frequency response representation to learn.
It's the same as before just with added preference bounds.
Nice job
Do you plan to review Momentum 4?
They already reviewed it a year ago
So Sennheiser think that most people are too dumb to know how to use EQ. I'd like to see them use that in their marketing campaign. Something like "We're including EQ for dummies because we know most people are too dumb to understand EQ." LOL
Dumbing down everything everywhere to "automatic" and "smart", with no option to override it, often even in so-called "pro" versions that cost more, absolutely infuriates me. You don't know me, you don't know my tastes, you don't know how smart your "smart" systems actually are - so just leave an optional "advanced" or "manual" mode, and explicitly color-code it in orange and red, and put a big label on it if you have to... and let it be. You can even lock it first somewhere in the menu, but _let people choose for themselves_ when they already paid you, goddammit.
How does it compare to the soundcore Q30 Q35 and Q45?
I have both the Accentum and the Q30. Just ask me
@@P0wer2R0ll OK how do they compare?
@@dangerzone007 I wrote another comment somewhere on this video
@@P0wer2R0llI have some questions
Just give us full parametric eq or actual put care into the tuning of your headphones so we don't have to use eq
Or change your ears so you like the sound...
@@panda1412. I don't know I'm quite attached to my ears
I like exercise bass capability but not if it's boomy.
I like the idea of showing FR graphs with preference “boundaries,” but I think you should still always show the Diffuse Field target as a dotted line. Otherwise I don’t have any way to gauge the “boundaries” against my own auditory memory of regions I know I’m sensitive to from other headphones.
So we're not using a 'diffuse field target', we're using the DFHRTF of the measurement rig. So this is compensated to flat DF, NOT tilted DF, if that makes sense. The tilt is the preference bounds - I think I showed it a bit in this video where you can see the 10dB slope within the preference bounds to help folks get a sense of that. But, in truth that 10dB line is just a far more coarse grained view of the preference window. It's the same thing, just without the nuances of preference variation around that 10dB tilt.
@@kenc2894 this. Spent so much timeover the years looking at raw graphs and learning how to read them across dozens of headphones I've gone through, but now I'm utterly confused by this new method. I've watched the videos and read the posts but I'm still lost.
@@meangoooo It will take time, and a lot more educational videos I'm sure. What I ask is that folks be patient while we roll out additional explainers to help get those used to reading the older graph paradigm up to speed.
Sooooo... at the end, are these headphones GOOD enough for the average consumer and people who want to listen in detail to their music, like rock music?... Stop doing such reviews talking about measurements and frequencies and stuff that most people don't understand about a product that is focused on casual listeners!
Then just watch another channel's video. This channel's content does not cater to average consumers, more so audiophiles and audio nerds
that 4k dip will probably inhibit detail retrieval at least a little bit
Sennheiser is making too much headphones, and if they were one bit less unremarkable - it wouldn't be that much of a problem.
Learn English
@@panda1412. Become fluent in their language before critiquing their English.
I completely agree with you brother, the EQ Settings in the app isn't completely user friendly. Sometimes my momentum 4 is rattling while using third party Equalizer apps, please let me know what to do and love from India ❤️❤️❤️.
Why the fuck would he know... contact the manufacturer
@@panda1412. It's more like agreeing his bro point in the video, so just chill the fuck out bro 😅😅😅
@@buridikumar2003 use your brain then..
I can’t see a place for these in my life. I have the 600 for home use and the Momentum 3 for on the go.
I was at the Toronto Audiofest..and went into the Sen’s room ..everything apart from the Orpheus ..sounded like ass .
In contrast the Abyss offerings were absolutely fantastic …something is def off with Sen’s lately.
Btw, I still run the Sen’s 650..and it’s one of my favorites .
Great video on THHHHEEEESSSSEEEE🤣
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