All About Apple Vision Pro!
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- It's Apple Vision Pro week! Marques sits down with Andrew and David to answer all their questions and even a few that we scraped from the RUclips comments of the videos we put out this week. If you want to know whether or not you can use the Apple Vision Pro with a Windows computer or if you can hot swap the battery, this is the episode for you. Afterwards, we talk about how the new App store rules in the EU before wrapping it all up with trivia.
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:40 Apple Vision Pro Headband and Fit
06:24 Eyesight
11:13 Eye Tracking
16:05 Using it as main computer
25:22 Arm tracking
29:33 Trivia question
30:36 Visible (Sponsored)
31:36 Q&A About Apple Vision Pro
44:46 Does it work with Windows?
47:17 What is FaceTime like?
54:01 Setting up the headset
57:54 Using non-Apple earbuds
59:59 How long will Marques use it?
01:02:33 Focus distance
01:06:04 Hot swapping batteries
01:08:30 Trivia question
01:09:08 Ad
01:18:56 Apple v EU
01:35:03 Trivia Answers
01:39:58 Outro
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Sorry Marques for having the Vision Pro on all the episode.
I think he loves it
That heavy 🪨 vision pro 😮😮
You guys should ask Apple to rename the band the Dua Loopo Band and have Dua Lipa make a commercial promoting it.
Why does this look so much more normal than Google glasses
Marques probably felt like he had a neck workout the morning after recording.
David's laugh after he said he wanted Marques to feel pain was gold.
How was that *gold*
nah that was silver i think
i love his plan totally backfired and just allowed Marques to cheat at trivia 😂😂😂
I'm a flight attendant and my advice is to simply let the FAs know that it's okay to tap you on the shoulder, that way you won't miss service. We deal with people wearing sleep masks all the time. It's really not that different. Also, you'll only be allowed to use it in cruise, just like a laptop.
Has your airline already given you policy on when this thing can be used?
@@oceanlnr9414I assume the policies in place are pretty generalized, anything distracting shouldn't the used during transitional periods cause u gotta stay ready to evacuate
Who said you aren't ready to evacuate with it on? Lol
@@tylerblack9220lol
Yep! We've had regs for VR headsets for years. It's the same as your laptop.@@oceanlnr9414
That ad with Marques' real eyes was so jarring after the first half hour of the episode
Marques adding a link into a real conversation 😭😭 “ see for more information “ 🤣🤣
Everyone is gonna have really thick necks like NASCAR drivers from wearing the Vision Pro for so long
maybe it will offset the damage from looking down at our phones for so long
more like a droopy face, the 2nd gen would prolly fix that issue tho or they'd do what apple has always been doing, be stubborn about it for a couple generations before finally fixing it and then putting it on for the first time would make your head whiplash because you were expecting it to be front heavy but it wasn't (i'm getting too ahead of myself XD)
Corey Taylor is ready.
@@bobsmith12345 Probably gonna fry our eyes quicker
It actually makes your neck weaker since you're not really exercising the muscles but rather overload them
Having your tasks chase you is a genius idea. Whats that Garys mod game with the faces chasing you down and it they catch you... You die... But instead of faces, your chores.
Wash me!!!!!! 😮😮😮😮😮
Elliot's idea of your to-do list chasing you around is genius!
Love how there is editing at 19:02 to simulate what the screen recording would look like. Reminds me of the noise cancelling simulation you guys do for headphones. Awesome stuff!
nice pfp
Was hoping somebody else caught this
The comedy value of Waveform keeps going up. I really love this podcast, y’all! Thanks Marques for demo’ing the practical wearability limit over two hours. Super helpful, also hilarious.
I would like to petition for Marques wearing the vision pro every episode 😅
Hell nah😂. Save the brothers neck man
@@junnyben1514 lol...
@@junnyben1514he’ll be fine.
I literally LOLed so many times in this episode, especially Marques reading the particle info 🤣🤣
The subtle foveated rendering that was happening while Marques was talking about it was a nice touch 😎
That time of the week again guys! It’s the weekend in the UK 🇬🇧 😊😊. Friday routine starts with Waveform
Hi Matt
Just opened about 300 pull requests 5 minutes before code freeze. Ready for a beer and a podcast!
Sweet little edit to adding the rendering effect as Marques describes it. 19:05
Waveform editing always on point.
“You guys look way better in VR”😂😂😂 Ate em up
I'm more surprised at the fact that Apple probably has been preparing for their Vision Pro for quite a long time. I think one of the big reasons why their user interface and integration is so seamless is because of all the Face ID data that they've received. When Memoji's first came out, it was a feature to laugh at, but looking back, it was probably the foundation for many of the features the Vision Pro has today. Pretty cool imo.
Agreed. In fact, I think they wanted even more development before this release-like they probably already have a pretty detailed longterm roadmap for this thing. Apple clearly was in a scramble to release the Vision Pro when they did.
Also people still use Memoji a lot.
Pure fanboy speculation with no receipts
@@soberanisfam1323people can’t speculate without being a fanboy?
@@Kisame.Hoshigaki context, reading comprehension and estimation points to fanboy , you ok there?
i can FEEL the relief just imagining taking it off after over an hour and a half
meh
I can FEEL the excitement to go back to it again after you take it off for 5 minutes.
@@k.vn.kwhy? real life is so much better
And the first thing he said was “You guys looked wayyyyy better… in VR” 😂
It would be so cool if we had a podcast but like from Marques’s perspective while wearing the Vision Pro. That would be really cool.
I like how respectful towards each other this crew is.
3:08 "Miles" better lol😂
I laughed so hard throughout the entire episode. Marques wearing the magic goggles and pointing at invisible objects in space was hilarious. Best episode ever.
Eyesight isn't about being rude or polite, it's an outside indicator of what the wearer is experiencing. There's a huge practical element to that.
I would love to go skiing with the Vision Pros
ask Joanna Stern. she won vision pro reviews
Joanna stern did it. Check her review
and getting glasses cutting your eyeballs in the process
Skision Pro
Apple Vision take: The eye tracking thing is a problem BUT there’s a solution. Let eye tracking be the default, no controller, input method, then add controllers of all different shapes :) we already have keyboards, add a “mouse” like quest pro, add a rifle and pistol gun for games or racing wheel, add a pen for drawing…
This launch feels like if iPad came before the iPhone, which was originally intended, but we got the bigger, bulkier product first and the real revolution will come later. Still excited for the potential.
Watching on Vision Pro. what a beautiful time to be alive
5:36 I agree, you do think "this is a sci-fi technology" but then you think "I guess I don't want all sci-fi tech to be real"
ok boomer
Limit of 1 mirrored display is classic Apple walled garden. They want the optimal performance at all times regardless of theoretical or preferred use case.
You can have virtual monitors run on quest with virtual desktop or immersed. Multiple or super high res will cook the device until it slows to a halt, but they let you.
But is it really a feature if it halts the device? I don’t have one so IDK but if every time I try to use it the device fails surely I can grant them a point for giving me the option
@@saqlaq96lol. No, you can use 1-2 virtual monitors without any significant lag. The issue occurs when you have too many things happening simultaneously
All the great convo - but Andrew going "the last dandelion..." was what really got me :D
Ngl, I’m convinced. This is the most sociable VR headset ever conceived.
The best thing of Vision Pro is not the headset, it’s the eye tracking interface! As you mentioned in the podcast, having a keyboard and looking at one window and replying there, and just switching to google docs and typing there is very useful and fast. If MacBooks came with a similar eye tracking we could have interfaces without mouse or touchpad, just add a “confirm” and “right click” buttons to the keyboard and boom. It just need to be as precise as Vision Pro
Marques looks dazed when he takes the headset off. Like he just woke up from a nap lol.
That’s really how you feel. I’m looking into short term and long term effects of wearing VR headsets. I actually think staring at small screens up close for long periods of time might have serious long term effects…but I gotta do my own research. I know there are reports that they do.
@@doompodit really doesn't have long term effects for adults, it's just temporary unless youre a kid which is still developing
All vr headsets do that
@@doompodHCI researcher here, you'd be surprised smartphones and TV screens are worse than VR. It's about the focus of the eyes and the lens in VR are about 2 meters away
Marques-the person who’s spent exponentially more time using the device-seemed genuinely excited about it. So though everyone else seemed determined to find every nitpicky flaw, Marques’s reaction bodes well for Apple long term.
And bad for humanity
19:00 nice touch adding the out of focus effect that Marques was talking about
I was just playing Microsoft Flight Simulator on my Vision pro through Game Pass and it was amazing.
Interesting. It was being streamed through xcloud?
@@eternalbeing3339 Sure was.
I watched this whole episode from the Vision Pro
The cool thing about this 1st gen device is that there are so many opportunities to make improvements moving forward.
I think the “what’s the killer app?” argument is interesting. Because we only talk about that when a product category is new, and we forget about as the product ages.
Because, I don’t see the smartphone or the tablet as having a “killer app”. It’s a combo of everything you can do. If you had to choose one, it’d prolly just be the web browser.
So I see the focus of the Vision Pro needing a ‘killer app’ to not be a super useful question
You couldn't say it any better. It's the same thing I've also been thinking about any time I hear that "killer app" argument.
On the whole vision thing, they kinda just look like shaded goggles. It feels like someone's talking to you with sunglasses on (much bulkier, but the point stands). You don't need to see their eyes through sunglasses, you can still tell they're paying attention by looking in your direction.
I’m glad they finally realized the carrying case looks like a spacesuit
*posted from Moon Environment on Apple Vision Pro*
how he keeps it in his head the whole episode, is incredible
can't wait until all 5 of you sit there with the Vision Pro asking questions straight from chatgpt and answering directly from wikipedia - tuture we all dreamed about
0:04 Thinking about going for a walk outside with help / security of course wearing the Apple Vision Pro. 😊😂
Transparency mode is essential - I usually go out to wal kthe dog and stop by the supermarket etc. on the way. I leave the earbud case at home. I'm absolutely not removing them to talk to cashiers and other people.
On Quest 3 you can stream 6-7 screens in up to 4K resolution (4 virtual screens plus your physical screens) using Immersed. Works on PC and Mac.
The focus blur when y’all spoke about the screen recording.. noted with a smile!
lol I agree with Adam, the Vision Pro eye pass through is super weird, because now I’m in public talking to a cyborg
There is no need for that front screen. You can't see peoples eyes when they have sunglasses on. No need when having an VR headset on. It would probably reduce the weight without that front glass and screen. It would also save battery life.
I mean welcome to technology progressing? Idk what to tell you bro 😂
@@scupkingyeah but with glasses you always know they can see you. With this that’s how you know they can see you.
@@MylesKillisno you don’t. They could have their eyes closed or actually be blind.
I wish you could run MacOS on the Vision Pro.
I think a fix for the keyboard issue is to sort of dynamically unbind eye selection when the keyboard is out, allowing the user to hover over a key and select with a pinch (as well as allowing the ability of using 2 hands for pinching on the keyboard simultaneously). But also having swipe feature where you pinch on the first letter, swipe around and release on the last letter. It might take some practice, but if the keyboard is able to be moved, resized and geo-locked, people would get a hang of where every key is in space and probably wouldn’t have to look at the keyboard, as well as type significantly faster
I think the apple vision pro are the only headsets that you can walk around with in public and with time they'll get smaller and much better.They really have this nice fashionable look.
Apple could do such wonderful things with iSight if they wanted. Can you imagine cartoonie eyes being projected that depend upon Vision Pro's guess of your reaction or state of mind.
The zoom on David’s yawn, lmao
The "miles" better joke is KILLING me!
I appreciate the editor's work of adding Miles when Andrew Cassualy said "miles better"
I also appreciate the editing of the camera to show how recording videos using the vision pro can focus on the subject and leave the background blurry
Marques is a good model for this thing. It actually looks really cool, modern, futuristic, stylish, premium product. It conjures up visions (in my mind) of Prometheus (movie). Wild!
19:25 so that’s why Marques has those much higher fidelity internal recordings compared to other reviewers
I don’t now why but that first trivia round had me rolling on the floor! 😂🤣
Loved Ellis’ envisioning of a todo app for VisionPro where urgent/overdue tasks aggressively chase you, vs. low key tasks just chill 😂
The fact that Marques have been much more silent in this episode shows how much it isolate you from the world around you even if you're trying to be there.
You’re right!!!
When was he quiet?
“Real eyes realize real eyes” 🤣🤣🤣
It's "real eyes realize real lies"
But how can mirrors be real if eyes arent real ?? ?
david actually letting people speak makes this much more enjoyable, thanks!
Connecting Apple's Vision Pro to a Mac to see everything live from the Mac could open up several innovative possibilities for productivity, creativity, and entertainment.
Seeing Marques's face during the ad breaks shocked me at first
can yall plz bring a review at studio channel of vision pro tried by everyone at the studio ?? plz plz?
Hahah. Here, Marques is like a man put on exhibition. Loved the way he[Marques] stayed silent just shaking his head when Andrew and David were discussing whether they can see his[Marques] eyes or not lol
David yawning at 25:35... I felt that. Happy Friday everyone
The month of vision pro. More vids to come
David throwing shots at the Apple Vision Pro for the entire video was absolutely hilarious
Marques's response at 34:04 shows why he's the boss, validated an employee's curiosity and provided an informative response to the audience
That band mark on Marques' face at the end was insane
How Apple missed to add the night vision????? imagine using this and been able to see at night!!!!! omg how they missssssed thisssssss
Andrew with a macbook?
I started listening to this episode at work in the background and then paused it for meetings. At one point I literally thought, oh Marques's head must be hurting real bad.
He was in headset somehow messed up with my reality lol.
I’m excited for version 2 being more price friendly
I feel so sorry for Marques when he realizes that head mounted displays often don't work on airplanes, nor in any moving vehicles. (The headtracking goes crazy.) I imagine there could be an "airplane mode" that disables head tracking, but that too would suck, just in a different way. Actually, the camera-based, inside-out-tracking should still function, so only the accelerometers would need to be disabled. That could work.
Try it in a car, Marques!
It has vehicle mode..
This was one of the best podcast episodes! I've had to force myself not to laugh multiple times in the office today! Thank you!
Why would you ever force yourself to not laugh friend? 😊🙌
@@alexjamesbilodeau I would have loved to but it's a bit weird when you're in the office isn't it.
This episode was hysterical. Thanks for making my day, Marques 😂
Marques the whole episode 😂
Especially during trivia
That light seal did real damage to his face lol 😂
On the lack of ability to 'multi-task', I just wanted to say that IMO we do WAY too much multitasking in this decade - so much so we don't know how to focus anymore. So this may help people feel a bit more grounded as they are focused rather than distracted. Just thinking about the psychology of what multi-tasking means to our cognitive load 🧠. Thank you so much for discussions like this - I love all of you!
I would love a pair of smart glasses that gave me live captions when I talk to people. All I ask for lol
Actually wearing this for skiing would be so sick lol
the editing on the podcasts are so good !! kudos to whoever edited this specific one and the others
Not gonna lie, Marquez with the VP and those headphones together looks pretty badass.
The eyesight would be so much cooler and more use-able if they just let you replace the eyes with custom ones. Trying to do your actual eyes puts it in the uncanny valley, but if you could replace your eyes with like anime eyes or ASCII eyes like a hacker in a sci-fi movie, or cute animal eyes, now the eyes you're using would become like a new type of fashion accessory.
I’d love that
Ellis was killing me this episode. Way to go Ellis!
The EU is really doing alot for consumers recently. Proud of my people!
I’m gonna start work out my neck muscles. In 1-2 years I’ll be ready 😂
I can see V2.0 having a "lock task" feature where you can lock external inputs (mouse, keyboard, etc.) to certain apps. That way you can type or scroll a website without having to maintain focus on that specific thing. It could be a simple button where you lock or unlock the window.
Most people work in 2d, but 3d artists actually work in 3d, and for that VR actually makes an insane difference if you create software that utilizes that. Small examples are Adobe medium / quill but there’s so much potential for this to be a game changer for people who are trying to work in 3d, which will increasingly be relevant in an increasingly spatial 3d world.
Just make your single monitor big enough that you can have both apps open next to each other. I switched from two monitors on my desk to one ultrawide and it's so much better without the seam separating my two workspaces. I'm kind of shocked nobody has thought about this.
10:33 also you have to consider if someone is walking around do they deserve to know you can see them? This way people around can know “Oh, you see me?”
“Cheaper” versions will prob just have an indicator light to show the same thing for the same reason.
The Task following you around app, really just needs to be a tie-in with Namco…
Great episode as ever chaps.
I can't wait till the day where we can have Yu-Gi-Oh battle city IRL using the next gen apple vision pros or something.
During the trivia question about electrons, before the reveal that he googled it, I could see Marques just barely tapping his finger at the bottom of the screen, and started laughing so hard. Impressive it still saw his tapping at that angle.
1:12:57 just wrap it in that puffer jacket on your dorm room floor, chuck it in your back pack and go lol
Just got the Meta Quest 3 today and I'm pumped about finally getting into VR/Mixed Reality!
Imagining applying that tech to a motorcycle helmet with rear facing g cameras 😮 able to see navigation playlists how coool
On the Apple v EU section, another issue that isn't being talked about in Apple's whole walled garden with app store stuff is that they even wall garden the devs - you have to develop ios apps on a mac or send your code out to some service that will compile it on a mac. Whereas dev environments for android can run on win, mac, and linux.