Call No Man Father
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- Call no man father? Do Catholics violate Jesus' command in Matthew 23? Dr. Brant Pitre examines this passage in order to explain the meaning of the command to call no man father.
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Dr Pitre is a gift to the Church. 👍🏽
This guy is very smart
He is a Bible Scholar...
Protestants will take “call no man your father” out of context at supposedly face value, but ignore the 6th chapter of John’s Gospel and imagine Jesus is speaking figuratively despite Him stating emphatically that He is not. That’s quite the blind spot.
True 🤣
Back in the eleventh chapter of isaiah he's called the spirit of wisdom
Jesus said to call no man on earth your father, it’s not an exaggeration ir else Jesus is a liar. Catholics twists God’s words like the devil who tried to manipulate Jesus when He fasted 40 days and 40 nights and when the devil also tempted Adam and Eve. Read the gospel and see how the catholics are just like the other idolaters that got destroyed by God in the Bible
@@benita8768 Are you calling Jesus a liar?
Jesus called Abraham “father” Abraham. Look it up it’s in your Bible! So what are we to make of that?
That's what I thought... obviously, non-Catholic didn't really understand what Jesus meant bc they never bother to read other verses that relate to that particular teaching. They're intention is always to prove that Catholicism has lots of errors! I will pray for their conversion...thanks for the clarification Dr. Pitre and God bless.
So true it blinds them from what scripture actually says
On the other hand I understand that they were raised in that intention from childhood, so it isn't easy to overcome.
I once thought this deeply through, their name speak about it: they are protestant, if they gave up protesting, they would lose their identity basically. So they are trapped in their heresies and silly crooked reasonings.
But if you are a child and growing up with that, it is as natural as our catholic tradition to us.
Dr. I like the way you approach- Jewish roots. God bless you and your family.
Fabulous explanation!!!! Love love my catholic faith!! Thank you Dr Pitre!!!
Oh when we interpret the scriptures outside of the body of christ, which is his church, we enter a never ending web of error and confusion. This is just another example. Thanks for this witness to the fact.....
example...Thanks so much for this
@tony - if anyone with a “bit of sense” can interpret then why do we have thousands of denominations? Also which of these many denominations is His church?
Three of the comments...just illustrate my point. Without the apostolic church,we just worship a Christ of our own imagination. Christ ends up looking just like the person we look at in the mirror every day.
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I completely agree Gary. Individual interpretation of scripture is a leading cause of denominationalism. God is not the author of confusion. 1Cor. 14:33 KJV
Thank you for clarifying that passage. I have often been burgled with the statement. God bless you for this ministry. It’s sharpening our understanding
Thanks Dr. Pitre..
Thank you shedding light on this. I have always dreaded the day my protestant friends would ask me this question. I wasnt sure how i would answer. Now i understand and know.
U understanding wrong because this teacher is wrong
@@EMdee1986again you just called Dr Pitre "teacher." Says call no man "teacher" (or Doctor in the Greek.)
Thank you, Dr. Pitre, for the work you do. I listen to one of your videos almost every day during my morning walk. They have helped me grow in faith and knowledge.
How did I miss all that?! Great teaching. Thank you.
If you read the gospel what Dr Pitre says is quite clear.
Thankyou Dr Pitre now i can celebrate Fathersday God bless u dr🙏
First LIKE n COMMENT are mine.... hurray. THANK YOU DR. PITRE FOR THIS WONDERFUL TEACHING...
Spread the message in your country
When reading ecclesiastical history one doesn't read about sects arguing this passage. The early Church father's clearly understood this passage. It wasn't until the Protestant revolt where we see shallow biblical interpretations used to cast doubt on the church Christ founded.
Thank you for teaching us the way you do.
Thank you very much Dr. Brant Pitre,,, GOD BLESS 🙏❤️🙏
Amazing video! Very informative and God Bless! 🙂🛐
Thanks for the knowledge
Thanks Brandt.
Muy bueno y claro. Ojalá lo escuchase mucha gente que se hace un problema al llamar "padre" a un obispo o sacerdote... Gracias.
Wonderful explanation of this text by you Dr Pitre.Now we Catholics should know how to answer our Protestant brothers...why we call our Pope and Priests " Father "...thereby interpreting the verse in context.
Thank You Dr Pitre. The Lord Jesus has bless us with people like you.
Praise Be to God ! Alleluia !🙏🙏🙏
Well explained.Thank you
One of the best presentations. Keep up the great work.
Excellent teaching
Godbless to you Doctor. 💓
Tq 4d enlightenment, I always knew that the new testament verses cant be interpret directly and must be in context of the whole chapter but never knew it must be also in the context of the whole new testament. Hyperbole..🤔 tq again and God bless😁
Not only the whole New Testament, but the whole Bible!
@@nathanngumi8467 yes Sir tq 4 reminding.
🙏Thank🌸You for sharing🌠That Unveiling and Revealing of The Spiritual Truth lS obviously from Discernament of the Awaken Soul💖
Thanks!
Thank you
Thank you. I have heard this criticism of Catholicism many, many times. You give a wonderful defense.
You have assigned a name reserved for Almight God and allow a mere mortal to bear that title: " Holy Father". Lord have mercy!
Word.
Liked your scriptures. Additionally, Paul gave us this: 1Co 12:29 Darby Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all in possession of miraculous powers?
Thus, calling some 'teachers' (in reference to Rabbi).
We must understand the meaning Paul had of the word "father" in that verse of 1CORINTHIENS4:15.
Paul gives his understanding of the word "father" in 1CORINTHIENS 3:5 where he present himself as a servant by which the Corinthiens believed in the Gospel.
Therefore, the meaning we give to the word "father" can be misleading
Im with u..but, explain some more
What Bible does Dr Pantre uses? I like the RSV CE and Douay Rheims
As usual a very good teaching is given by Dr. Petrie.
I want to add some comments-
1. Peter was an apostle who had primacy because of his understanding Christ Jesus to be the Messiah. He is ALWAYS listed FIRST in the Inner Circle of Peter, James, and John.
2. However, the admonishment to loose or bind was NOT given specifically to Peter. In CONTEXT, Jesus was speaking to His apostles. Therefore, IN CONTEXT, they each had been chosen and each had the ability to forgive sins or retain sins- to loose or bind-through the preaching and teaching of the Gospel-all Twrlve-not just Peter. Thomas travelled to India. Bartholomew and Nathaniel traveled to Armenia and created followers there-disciples-and the power to loose or bind (free them of sin or retain their sin), was granted to them based on Jesus own words to His apostles IN CONTEXT.
3. The term “Abba” meant Father in Hebrew, as it still does today. Church leaders were first called “haAbba” then “Papias” and eventually “Pope”-long BEFORE-there was a Bishop of Rome. The Coptic Orthodox Church and the Ethiopian Church call their priests “Abuna” which means “Father.” This continues to this day. Remember that the Church at Alexandria was founded by Mark-Peter’s Secretary (Ameneuse). The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches still refer to their Priests as Padre/Patri or Father in English. So for the Protestants to attack Catholics and fail to have a wider grasp of the historic customs of the church is an example of religious bias that is ignorant of the bigger issue at hand. “Father” is used a a descriptive of those who lead the believers in the church.
Timothy was Paul’s son in the Faith. Conversely, Paul is Timothy’s (and Titus’) “Father” in the faith. Titus was the bishop of the churches of Crete. Timothy was the bishop of the churches of Ephesus.
4. When Paul writes his famous Letter to the Romans-he had never been to Rome. Notice Paul never addresses a single Bishop (Episkopos) at Rome. Why? There weren’t any yet! The churches or the Church of Rome Paul addresses in Rome and it’s surrounding villages are house churches. In other words, there is NO SINGLE BISHOP in charge at that time. It came later, much later.
5. The Bishops of the Early Church were all considered equal-there was no vertical structure to them. That is, a bishop had his sea or diocese. Jesus is the head of the church who points to the Father, Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. Part of the break from the West in AD 1054 (The Great Schism) was the Filioque controversy where the Church of Rome changed the Nicene Creed using a local council to modify what was agreed by a universal church-wide ecumenical council!
Nicea, (AD 325), as an example, had 318 bishops in attendance-about 80% were from the Eastern Church-that is, the Church of Rome was under represented at Nicea!
Further, tensions snapped when the bishop of Rome sought supremacy over ALL other Bishops and their seas. This rift continues today. The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches are not in communion with the Catholic Church. While the Catholic Church has taken strides to mend the schism-the divide continues to this day. And while Catholics can take Communion in an Orthodox Church, the restriction of all orthodox Churches is that their members are barred from taking Communion in a Catholic Church.
The term father is not just a Catholic thing. It is a Christian thing as evidenced in the NT (as mentioned here by Dr. Petrie) and in Early Church history and by the main branches found in the East and in Northern Africa.
The five centers of Christendom were: Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome, and then Constantinople. (In that order)
Today, roughly, the Eastern Churches (Syriac, Oriental, Eastern Orthodox) follow the Antioch teachings. The Coptic Orthodox Church of Egypt and the Ethiopic Orthodox Church of Ethiopia follow the teachings of Alexandria. The Catholic Church follows the teachings of Rome and North Africa, the European branches of the Orthodox Church follow Constantinople teachings.
Granted elements of all five are found throughout. Geographical variations are natural due to distance and cultural views. As an example, beards are no part of the Bishops found in Rome. Beards are found at all the Orthodox churches based on local customs.
But is it not the same Christ Jesus who died for all?
I pressed pause but then Dr Pitre didn’t talk so I pressed play
Wow that’s a beautiful cathedral where is that located?
Dr. Pitre mentions St. Stephen as the first Martyr of the Church, but (perhaps?) a better argument can be made for the beheading of John the Baptist, in prison. I agree with his explanation of the "Father" question....he does a good job explaining it.
I believe Dr Pitre was referring St. Stephen as the first martyr of church because it happened after Jesus established the church and John the Baptist happened before Jesus established the church
@po18guy John was indeed the first Christian prophet, and, arguably the first Christian martyr, if one doesn't count Herod's killing of the infants, which was done in an effort to kill the Christ Child, who had escaped into Egypt with Mary and Joseph. John also is recorded as saying "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world"....although, in one passage, he also expresses some doubt when he sends his own disciples to ask Jesus...."Are you the One to come, or should we expect someone else?" John also recognized that he needed to be baptized by Jesus, although Jesus came to him for a water Baptism.
Genesis 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations". Now god himself gave Abraham that title.
I think what he is saying relates to the second commandment (you shall have no other Gods before me) The whole do you reject Satan?
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What was his one last point that he was going to make before the video ended?
Also magisterium .
So basically the religious context of Matt. 23:5-12 is really an anomaly to just only the scribes and pharisees, and not other examples exhibited later in the church age, that no one ever exalts himself with a religious titles after this?
"In that day I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your sash on him, and will commit your authority to his hand. And he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah." (Is 22:21)
"And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." (Mt 23:9)
The use of "father" in Isaiah shows that the term can be appropriately applied to those who serve in roles of spiritual leadership and guidance, as long as it does not overshadow the recognition of God’s unique fatherhood.
This understanding helps reconcile the two passages, indicating that Jesus' command in Matthew 23:9 is not a universal prohibition against the term but a reminder of the preeminent fatherhood of God.
Where's the whole talk?!?!?!?
Stephen's address, especially in light of his reference to Moshe, can most reasonably be taken as generational; "Brothers and Fathers," in a literal sense, that many of those present were sired by the elders of the community. It wasn't out of respect for their religious authority, but simply to acknowledge them as the predecessors of the fulfilled covenant.
Spoiler: God meant don't confuse those people who shouldn't be called Father, with those who should. People in the past like now claim to be things they are not, discernment is important and is what God is requiring us to do, always.
fathers here On Earth
Are called Sons
But never compare
Earthly one to HIM
Avah is only ONE
The HEAVENLY FATHER
YESHUA
Matthew 23:9 is not a hyperboly...its not an exageration....its just straightforward..Jesus is laying down the operational relationships in new testament church..."call no man (in regard to church leaders) father here on earth "
what mean if you where thy one before heaven and earth pure before all
i was there
We’re any of the patriarchs and the synagogues call Dr.?
John 14:6. Seek the Lord and you will find the truth.
I hope no Evangelical Protestant ever has to call a rabbi ‘Rabbi’.
If Steven were referring to Jewish elders as father after Christ implemented the new covenant, would that mean he unknowingly sinned? Example, a modern day catholic would not be able to call a rabbi father, no? Just thinking out loud here.
Lol a rabbi is just a teacher. The jews had priests called the cohenim. They are gone forever now.
Which day according to Bible the day of Sabbath.?
Old covenant, Friday evening through Saturday. New Covenant in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Saturday evening through Sunday. The apostles offered the Holy Mass on Sunday and it was the Lord's Day.
Forgive me, but it seems like the same desire to be acknowledge as the Pharisees Jesus mentioned to want to be called Father. Fathers or initiators of faith, may have a reason to be called " Fathers of the Church" as a single point description. For every priest, when we are all priests before Christ, doesn't make sense. In addition, labels for church clergy were clearly identified, Presbyters, Deacons, Pastors... No where, that i've studied thus far, even in early church writings has anyone addressed themselves as Father. Paul did not call himself father, he was using a reference, but never addressed himself as father to his disciples.... I will stand in Christ command " Call no one on earth Father" why because he's breaking the norm of Abraham as Father of Nations, because he wants all glory to himself as Savior and Father of all Nations and Father of Christianity. and the the context of 1 john 2:13, he's actually addressing fathers, as the next verse, he's addressed young men. I think the catholic church as extended their interpretation a bit more than Christ intended.
Jesus was fully practicing believing jew,he practiced the Torah not out of humility but out of duty..
Your father on earth is the key word.
The priests are not our father on earth. The are the fathers living in the church. So they're not our fathers on earth. Is it okay?
With all due respect to you, I am not convinced with these examples for the simple fact that referring to themselves as Father's only was to point out that they were the first ones. To call others that follow up after carrying his teachings can not make that claim. On this matter I am not sure if there are enough blessings on it. I remain uncomfortable and concerned that it will have a unfavorable outcome.
“Call no man father” is not about a word. You call your biological father “father”. See?! Is that wrong to refer to biological fathers as “father”?
The point is “make” no man your father other than God. Only God is your real father.
Hello 😂😂😂 Father
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Dorks.
Like thiefs caught in the knight in broad daylight for all to see they will hand it over everything took and I will give it away real soon
Said only the Son of Man can forgive sin on earth to odd . And who said would enslave the world threw the post office . Whi runs the world threw the post office Switzerland international postal union international trade law international stamp treaty Switzerland international postal union one way to get a post office Switzerland pope one way can be a country if have a post office Switzerland
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Not all protestants think the same and I feel that in the comments section we are portrayed as Pastor Steven Anderson. I did not even watch the video but it is quite easy. 1 Cor 4:15 and Philemon 10, Paul portrays himself as a father. Moreoever: In John 1:38 Jesus explains that Rabbi means didaskalos (teacher), yet In Mt 23:7-8 Jesus taught to call no man a Rabbi because he is the ONLY teacher (didaskalos) and in 1 Tim 2:7 Paul calls himself a didaskalos. Even if one would like to argue as KJV mad onlyist the problem is for them because even if in Mt (kjv) 23:7-8 uses the word Master for Kathigistis, the very word didaskalos in John (kjv) 1:38 is translated as Master too.
I just think we should be more easy in our conversations and stop mocking one another. There are talibans in protestantism and they exist also in catholicism.
God bless you all
I welcome your charity, it's very nice to see you acknowledging truth in a position different than your own, that takes great integrity. I also do think the video was quite important still, because Dr himself said he was wary of it before as well. Everyone who comes across this passage outside of it's explanation could come across it with this impression, I think he did a good work clarifying this issue.
@@danieljoyce6199 Ty, God bless you bro. I just complained about the comment section, not the video.
You didn’t watch the video. But you give your teaching anyways? Sounds like you came here on an agenda
By the grace of God I left protestantism because preachers say such vile things about Catholic. Its pathological. I pray for our separated brethren that they find peace in their lives.
Catholics have an interpretation for every single verse of the bible, except when it comes to the eucharist, any ideas why they take it literally?
Yeah because there’s an abundance of evidence from the church writings of those close to the apostles such as the Didache, Ignatius Epistles, Clement and on. And top it off there’s modern Eucharist miracles backed by many scientific findings
I could ask the opposite: Protestants take everything literally except for the Eucharist. Why is that?
@@viktorkassem716 because it does not make sense, thats very easy to see why, you really don’t need to go through complex theological argument to explain why protestant don’t take it literally.
@@d.o.7784 Thank you for the answer :) I am actually Lutheran (and sympathise with catholics and orthodox) and I am just trying to learn what every side of the argument has to say. I don't really know your positions so may I ask wich theology you call your home?
Sure, because Jesus said so. Why do protestants take things literally when other verses and old Testament say otherwise...see, it goes both ways!!!
Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church in 33AD, and it was first called such, in 107AD by Saint Ignatius of Antioch. Writings of the first Christians believed in the real presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist and offered the Mass just like we do today, and have done for 2,000 years. Your protestant false religion only began in the 1500s and to be specific, if you are Baptist, in the 1600s. Come home to the truth of Jesus in His Church, the Catholic Church!
Frenchy's in Humble fringes on your clothing
This is a bad defense. Catholic priests and the pope literally act like the Pharisees (your words). This is a term of reverence, not a literal classification as fathers. The Pharisees didnt call themselves father because they fathered someone physically or lead them into the faith. All of the verses cited are in reference to biological status or people whom Paul led to faith. Paul also isnt having anybody call him father.
The problem is Catholics use it like the Pharisees and that is exactly what Christ said not to do. This is NOT hyperbolic.
So I can’t call my male parent my father?
matthew 23:9 does not talk about biological fatherhood
matthew 23:9 does not talk about spiritual fatherhood (since Paul did it)
what aspect of the fatherhood is left?
-> the authority of the Father ... and in context, it is spot on.
What catholic priest are?
biological father? no.
spiritual fathers? no. (they are not the reason why you trusted in God)
authorities? spot on!
matthew 23:9 i telling to not delegate your understanding of the word to a man ... especially those who wants you to call them fathers .. and claim authority over the word of God (without any shame) ...
you only have one master, one father, one teacher:
master : Jesus bought you from the Father
father : the Father in heaven
teacher : the Holy Ghost dwelling in you, if you trust God for your salvation (and not anything else that comes from you) -> because salvation is a free gift, it is not gain by merit, but by grace : and grace (charity) is free.
*if you want to give something back in return, then you are refusing charity, by pride.*
*You can't loose salvation, because you can't demerit what you didn't merit in the first place* ... no matter the amount of verses a priest will twist to convince you otherwise.
Our priests ARE our spiritual fathers!!!! Hence we call them Father. What's ur point?!
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oh yeah? did your priest brought you out of unbelief into faith himself? Did he teach you the gospel and then you got saved?
It is possible yes, but what about all those who didn't: *WHY DO THEY CALL HIM FATHER? (since he's not their spiritual father)*
Yes, and it is so fortunate that Jesus Christ, Himself, the Son of God, gave this authority to His Apostles and their successors!!!! Too sad that protestants don't really know the Bible like they pretend to.
You need to learn the ancient Jewish history and culture to be able to understand the meanings of the biblical authors. The Church Fathers knew the correct meanings because they were taught by the Apostles, themselves. This authority has come down through the centuries and has been documented. Learn your history and learn the Bible.
You sure can lose your salvation....learn the Bible. So many verses say so. Get out of your ignorance and false religion. Come home to the truth of Jesus Christ in the Holy Catholic Church.
That’s because they’re trying to read define what God intended. God did not make any mistakes. You do not call any man father because God is our father. You do not call a stranger who says he’s a priest priest do not, and should not use the term father, they change that and turned it into a lie.
Yeah Catholics were there before God before Jesus right yeah OK so you’re telling me that and it sounds like you’re saying that there’s confusion that Jesus has with the Catholics what a liar .
Lose the term DR. God does not out of your title…. Just as you are
The term 'father' in this context is a political superior, and in that sense it is prohibited, because we have one political superior, our father. That is the context of Mat. 23, and its address concerning the political superiors of Jerusalem, who would be destroyed.
In 1 Cor. 4, Paul is writing as the planter of the church in Corinth. He addresses them as brothers, and points out that they sought to rule as kings, to which he applauds and included himself as then attaining that status with them, while observing that even the Apostles were the lowest in rank. He responds to their ambition with a tender appeal to his beloved children, as his offspring in the faith. He begat them, so shouldn't they treat him at least with the respect of a natural father who produced them? That is all Paul asks them and all he asserts in that passage, he claims no political superiority or title.
1 John 2 refers to fathers and little children and young men as situations in life or faith, not as titles of power or authority.
Stephen addresses the Sanhedrin as brothers (equals) and fathers (rulers). This is not any of his doing to grant them this status.
The Roman Catholic pope, however, does claim very specific title and authority, of superiority in power to interpret and rule and apply teaching and power. The pope, meaning 'father', is exactly the title of political superiority that the Lord prohibited. The problem is not the word, it is the title and the power and superiority claims asserted in the title and the authority structure built around it.
The kingdom of God has a very specific power and authority structure where all men are brothers and none are fathers. The head of every man is Christ, 1 Cor. 11. Men as equals, as brothers, assemble as assemblies or congregations and exercise authority in congress. The authority of elders and overseers is not over the assembly, but to administer and execute the decisions and policies of the assembly and to oversee the funds and servants of the assembly. They may also preside over and keep order in the assembly meetings, but the collective decision making resides in the assembly itself, who are responsible for discernment and judgement, including of the overseers 1 Tim. 5:17-25.
Yes, I was wondering why the full context of 1 John 2 wasn't taken into consideration, especially when Dr Pitre emphasises the importance of contextual reading. I do like Dr Pitre's teachings very much, but very occasionally (as in this case) I have to partially disagree.
I do agree that Jesus isn't talking about a blanket ban on the title "father" (as scripture shows) however the claim that Jesus was using hyperbolic language here seems to me to be a bit weak.
I am in no way condemning any church that may use the title "father", however I doubt that this explanation from Dr Pitre will convince informed and well-studied "protestants".
BTW I really dislike that blanket term for the categorisation of Christians outside of the Catholic church. It is too often used by Catholics in a contemptuous manner. I do not identify as a "protestant" and had nothing at all to do with the reformation. I am but a humble believer in Christ.
God bless.
@@GazGuitarz anyone who protests againsts the churches authority is a protestant
I wonder if protestants will ever understand this... you are simply putting too much into this.
Call no man father... ok, well what about the other two verses...call no man Rabbi, call no man Teacher.....?
Catholics call our priests/bishops/pope father, and so protestants just cherry pick verses out of context just to bash Catholics/Catholicism.
If you read the ancient Jewish writings on the office of Steward to the King, like a prime minister position, with being given the keys to the kingdom which gives the authority to bind and loose, you will read that the people were supposed to love him like a father(English)
Ab(Hebrew)
Abba(Aramaic)
Papa(Italian)
......the word or title "Pope" is just a variation on Papa.
The Lord prohibited it when unworthily done. He gave the authority to Peter personally, and on to the successors of Peter. So, Peter is very worthy to be called Father!!!
Call mo one father but call rabbi.very pharisee joke
Pitre , like Satan questions the command of Jesus. Let me remind all that Jesus is The Word of God.
You need to sesrch & understand where the words "Father and father" were used by John so you wouldn't be deceived by the "teacher's". He only want to justify the wrong traditions.
Ohky let say I'm talking to someone how will the person know whether I'm referring to Wich one "Father or father"? Let say I'm not typing or writing to that person ... what is the Difference in putting or not putting a capital letter "T" ?
They love their POWER and they try to convince you it’s ok to believe their blasphemy.
Protestantism is actually the real blasphemy!
Matthew 23:9 especially applies to Roman Catholic priests as it did to the scribes and Pharisees and is blasphemy much like saying that the pope is god on earth!
And God don’t honor your title Dr…
The Hebrew Matthew shows Jesus said "the Scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat. So, wharever he [Moses] says, listen and do. But don't follow their [the Pharisee's] works and deeds." Jesus was saying we have to follow Moses, not the works and deeds of men - in this case Jewish laws and traditions (in Hebrew, the takanot and ma'asim). But the same principle applies to every religion departing from the Law, the Prophets and the Writtings, such as mainstream Christianity - Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants alike.
Furthermore, when Stephen said "fathers", it is pretty obvious he means 'ancestors' in both instances. When Paul says he is their "father", it is also pretty obvious it's a figure of speech. When a believer calls a minister "father", everyone knows is not the literal meaning or a figure of speech but a title. So, stop the nonsense, and do what Jesus told you: STOP CALLING THEM FATHER.
So, what is a literal father?
@@brycearnett5461 Your literal is father the man who begot you.
Doesn't Paul also call the recipients of the letters his 'children'?
@@whoamI-xi3ln Yes, he did: also said he was 'undergoing birth pains'. Should we call him 'mother' then? Again, these are figures of speech.
@@foolfether No worries, wasn't going to call him my mother:D I'm still conflicted on the "father" issue. It's all quite confusing to me, since calling someone a "teacher" is o.k. apparently. But then also not. But I will keep searching, don't worry:)
I am a Roman Catholic & there was never a need to begin with to call priests, Fathers. Call no man father means, call no man father.
Wrong. Learn Church History. Listen to Brant Pitre talk on Jewish Roots of the Papacy.
Brant Pitre " Listen to me, I know better than Jesus." Jesus said " Call no man on earth father, for you have one father, your Father in heaven." Trust Jesus not the doctrines of the catholic church. Jesus can save you, the catholic church can save no one.
Catholic teaching is very similar to the method used by thr serpent in the garden of Eden. Making subtle changes in the Word of God to persuade the ignorant to sin.
1. In the entire 23rd chapter of Matthew, Jesus is exposing the evil ways of the Pharisees, saying:
a. "They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people's shoulders, but will they lift a finger to move them? Not they! (Vs. 4)
b. "Everything they do is done to attract attention, like wearing broader headbands and longer tassels, like wanting to take the place of honour at banquets and the front seats in the synagogues." (Vs. 5)
2. Now, in verses 7, 9, and 10, Jesus criticizes the Pharisees for their use of religious TITLES. As Jesus said in those verses:
a. "[The Pharisees like] being greeted respectfully in the market squares and having people call them Rabbi." (Vs. 7)
b. "You must call no one on earth your father, since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven." (Vs. 9)
c. "Nor must you allow yourselves to be called teachers, for you have only one Teacher, the Christ." (Vs. 10)
As you can see, in the context of Matt. 23:9, Jesus instructed his followers not to copy the ways of the Pharisees by applying to themselves such religious titles as "Rabbi," "Father," and "Teacher." Did Jesus' followers obey his words? Well, ask yourselves, where in the Bible was:
a. Paul referred to by the title "Father Paul"? Answer: NOWHERE!!
b. Peter addressed as "Rabbi Peter"? Answer: NOWHERE!!
c. Luke called "Teacher Luke"? Answer: NOWHERE!!
One last thing. Some uniformed Catholics will say that if NO MAN can be called 'Father,' then, no one can address his paternal parent as 'father.' But is that reasoning correct? Not according to one Catholic Bible that says in a footnote for Matt. 23:9: "[Jesus did not] mean that the title 'father' is never to be used by a son to his father."
So, when Jesus said to call no one "Father," he meant that the term should not be used as a religious title the way the Pharisees were using the word. Catholics do not have a Biblical precedent for calling their priests 'Father' because NOWHERE in the Bible were Jewish priests ever addressed as 'Father.' It was only the scribes and the Pharisees that were calling themselves 'Father' and 'Rabbi.' Clearly, when Catholics call their priests 'Father,' they are imitating the Pharisees and the scribes, not the priests of ancient Israel, who were NEVER addressed as 'Father.' In fact, not even Jesus was addressed as 'Father Jesus.'
Sigh. So concrete.
“Make” no man your father is what is meant. Your REAL father is God. A stupid title or name is not important to Jesus, is it?! He literally said “call NO man father”, and that would include your biological father. Pitre gave other examples that you ignored.
@@sliglusamelius8578 "[Jesus] literally said “call NO man father”, and that would include your biological father. Pitre gave other examples that you ignored."
Consider what I said that _you_ ignored. When Jesus said to "call no one 'father,' he didn't mean a son couldn't call his male parent 'father.' As one Catholic Bible that in a footnote for Matt. 23:9: "[Jesus did not] mean that the title 'father' is never to be used by a son to his father."
"A stupid title or name is not important to Jesus, is it?"
Wrong again. At Matt. 23:10, Jesus said: "Nor must you allow yourselves to be called teachers, for you have only one Teacher, the Christ." Do you honestly believe that Jesus felt that referring to himself as 'Teacher' was a stupid or an unimportant title? Absolutely not! Jesus also said that those who referred to him as 'Rabbi' was also proper. (Vs. 8) However, when it came to the title of 'Father,' Jesus made an exception. As he said at verse 9, "You must call no one *ON EARTH* your father, since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven." Now, where was Jesus when he made that remark? He was *ON EARTH.* So, while Jesus allowed others to refer to him as 'Teacher' and 'Rabbi,' he would not accept the title of 'Father,' which is reserved for God alone. Even Jesus' Jewish opposers knew that. As they said to him: "We have one Father, God." (John 8:41) Clearly, Jesus never accepted a title that was meant only for God.
Catholics believe the Bible gives them the reason to call their priests 'Father.' But, if that's true, can you show me a single scripture in your Bible where a priest was referred to by the title of 'Father'? You know you can't. The Catholic Church is notorious for making up teachings that are unscriptural.
@@cbooth151
Do you really not refer to biological fathers with the word “father”? That’s strange and concrete as heck.
The point is about who your father is in your heart, not what you call people on earth.
@@sliglusamelius8578 Apparently, you don't know what "concrete" is. when Jesus said to "call no man your father, he was not talking about a child calling his male parent 'father.' As One Catholic Bible says in a footnote of Matt. 23:9: "[Jesus did not] mean that the title 'father' is never to be used by a son to his father." Is there something about this footnote that you don't understand?
Now, show me a Bible example of a priest being referred to by the title of 'Father.'
@@cbooth151
So you quote a Catholic Bible commentary on the one hand, but accuse the Church of using the term inappropriately on the other. Interesting.
There was no Catholic formal priesthood at the time of the NT writings. Good grief.
“Call No man father”, if taken literally, means call NO MAN FATHER!
Figuratively, it means quite obviously, “make” no man your father other than God your true Father. The reason for that is that no human man can substitute in any way for your real Father in heaven.
As Shakespeare said, “what’s in a name? A rose is a rose by any other name”. Jesus was smart enough to know that. Faith is not about titles or diet or clothing, it’s about what is in your heart. Put God in your heart, your biological father, your rabbi, your friends can’t save you. Sheesh!
If I say to my son, “call no man your boss. Your Boss is Jesus”, do you think that I mean that he can’t call his work boss his “boss”? Good grief take the concrete out of your skull.
In context the scribes and Pharisee denied the truth of the scriptures and did not obey them. That is why Jesus used the term hypocrites to them.
That is why Jesus is referred the term call no man Your Father. Except your Father in heaven..
Any other use of biblical Fathers Were people that obeyed the word of God. They were in agreement with Christ as one body of believers. Calling them Fathers of obedience and for a biblical example.
One problem with Catholic teaching is they write in their own Catechism page 26 reads the tradition of the Catholic Church has equal authority to the Holy scriptures of the word of God..So they follow their own traditions....So call no man your Father..
Well, the Apostles, the foundation of the Church, were given the authority of Christ by Christ Himself. Obviously they are below Him as He is God, but in terms of teaching authority and the continuation of His mission, this was given to them Further, the Scriptures do not confirm their own canon, since which books should be included is nowhere written in Scripture, and the Scriptures do not interpret themselves. So, you need both some authority that can definitively say which books go in the canon and which can interpret correctly the Scriptures. You only need to look at the diversity of Christian denominations who all claim to be guided by the Spirit but all disagree on major points of doctrine to know we need some organ of authoritative teaching.
No way are we to further the scriptures.
Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto Every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, of any man shall add unto these things , God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life..
@@johnp.6043 Okay, but how was the canon decided on? The earliest texts of the New Testament were written by Paul in the 50’s AD, 20 years after the ascension. The other books of the canon being written after that over time. The Bible didn’t just fall out of the sky, so who determined what books should be in there and how did they do it? The only way the canon of Scripture has any authority is if something else has authority given by Christ and guided by the Spirit and it has to be more than individual conscience, otherwise this canon is not binding for everyone everywhere.
The problem with so many denominations of confusion including the Catholic Church is only a small percent of Christians today follow and obey 2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God ( Notice no mention of RCC) a workman that needed not to be ashamed, ( you will be ashamed if you do not study for yourself) rightly dividing the word of truth. You must divide the word of which group of people Jesus is talking to. The whole bible is for us to read but not all of it applies to us. The apostle Paul’s doctrine is for us Gentiles. The Jews in the Old Testament wore the priestly robes of honor that was a Jewish tradition with a works plus Faith salvation. Jesus ministry was for the Jews with Christian application for us today. Any contradiction to Pauls writings it’s not for us.. The Catholic Church treats the Bible like a smorgasbord they pick and choose what one line bible verse they choose to use..
@@brycearnett5461 Yes the Catholic Church organized and compiled the books but they were not part of the forty some inspired writers that wrote the Holy Scriptures. I am not denying that Catholics are Gods people and yes there was a lot of good that came from early Church Fathers but they followed the same words of the scriptures with some disagreements with one another.. God is not the author of confusion the devil is and has infiltrated the churches.
So, you are calling Jesus a liar when He said in Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven! Is Jesus telling truth!! Yes or no!! All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ anything beyond this comes from the evil one. Matthew 5:37
Ok then. Try not calling your father dad or any word which denotes a "fatherly" relationship. See how that goes.
For that matter, I guess we should interpret Luke 14:26 literally too since apparently Jesus doesn't use hyperbole because that would mean that "Jesus is a liar". I can hear the atheists glee lol.
Jesus was talking hyperbole as proved on the video. Just like Jesus is not a liar telling us to cut off our hands and limbs if anyone sins. Stephen called Abraham father, Paul and Apostle John were called “father” they are also not liars
Jesus said that we must not Call anyone Father on Earth ,for one is our Father,He who is in Heaven...and what surprises me the most is that Jesus Being the Son of God Being Greater than Angels He Humbled Himself until to the point of Death, He was never called Father and He never Called anyone Father on Earth ... that is why He always taught His Disciples that 'you are all brethrens' that means brothers and sisters in the Lord (we share one Father with our Lord Jesus Christ, Wich is God) Jesus was Born of God and Through faith in Jesus we are also God's Children that is why we Call Him Father. ... Most people confuse family structure and (God's structure in the church) Jesus was pointing this Words directly to those who sits in Moses seat Wich means those who are in the leadership structure , those who are ministers in the church of God, those who are preachers , we must not call them Father... that is total idolatry. Those people are closing Doors for you to enter into the Kingdom of God. That is why Jesus said to His disciples "The Greatest amongst you shall be your servent"
Answer is yes! Satan!
The Catholic Church now claims to sit on the same seat Moses sat.
Pushing their Human-made doctrines that reject the actual core meanings and guidance the True Prophets (Masters) brought for humanity.
The church makes creeds that contradict the actual truth, leading people astray from ever having the opportunity to find any greater truth within their lives, by following this false authority forfeit their right to think for themselves and have a personal connection with The True Sponsor who made them.
This one single truth below is far greater than every lie the catholic church pushes with its false doctrine.
Our Sponsor by Creating us within the universe has left a question on our hearts why are we here.
To answer this is called our re-sponse. The individual duty of every conscious person to see for themselves.
How using the abilities we were given. Each person's ability is different, those with more abilities, given more responsibility.
As it is my responsibility to shed light on the false doctrines, half-truths the Catholic Church pushes were built on, seeing these lies for what they really are and were originally established for, we have a duty to expose these dogmas, for what they really are!
These man-made doctrines are no more than a lie, false claims that reject the light of the truth, greater truth always exposes falsehood for that it really is.
This is a long comment full of your own man made interpretations and standards, ignorant of the evidence available
You are the one who is a heretic! If you deny His Church, that He, Himself founded in 33AD, then you deny His Kingdom and you deny Jesus Christ!
You are in protest to the truth, just like Martin Luther and Calvin. So sad. You should learn Church History and learn the Bible. So unfortunate that protestants don't know the Bible like they pretend to.
“Exaggerate” = Liar 🤥 Jesus did not use lies to teach.
No. Luke 14:26 shows that Jesus can use hyperbole to make a point.
What does “exaggerate = liar mean? “. Jesus was talking hyperbole as proved on the video. Just like Jesus is not a liar telling us to cut off our hands and limbs if anyone sins. Stephen called Abraham father, Paul and Apostle John were called “father” they are also not liars
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