If you're about to tell me to rotate the Z Fold read or watch this first. ruclips.net/video/yOG6deGvFCc/видео.html When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps. If you scrolled past this explanation to tell me I was acting "handicapped" you're probably going to get blocked from commenting. Some of you guys need to grow up.
I ended up sticking with the fold 4. I do like the candy bar form factor of the fold 4 more. It makes it easier to hold one handed. I also used goodlock to make keyboard bigger. I also like the fold 4 inner screen orientation as well. The default landscape orientation of the opened pixel is harder to old one handed than the fold 4 as well. One ui is also just better on a foldable. I want to like the pixel fold more because google is my main ecosystem, I just don't think it's there yet.
Exactly, opening up to portrait VS landscape is way better due to it being way easier to use in portrait mode... You can even use it one handed in portrait mode
One RUclipsr made a good point. He said they are two very different devices. The Pixel Fold front screen is like a small candy bar phone and he has mainly used the front screen but with the Fold 4 being so narrow and tall, it makes you want to use it unfolded. He also stated that he can hold the Fold with one hand, whereas the Pixel Fold is a little too wide to hold with one hand. It seems that they are very different experiences.
It's definitely possible for people to have different experiences, for people to prioritize different things. I acknowledge that the Z fold is easier to simply hold on to with one hand. What I'm not prepared to say is that it's easier to actually use one-handed. Holding and using are two very different things. If you can't reach the entire top half of the screen that's a problem. That being said, some people have giant hands and that just isn't an issue for them. I think it's best for people to try and get their hands on the device and see which one fits their hands and their sensibilities best.
I think with the Z Fold you are most likely be using the inner screen a lot more as the front one is too narrow for most people. While on the Fold it's wider so people will tend to use the front screen more and will know that if they need more space then they could use the inner screen. That's how I see it. I have that Fold coming in a few days but I'm already looking forward to the Z Fold 6 as I feel like I will ultimately land on that long term. I currently have both the S22U and P7P but if I had to keep one it would be the S22U as it just does everything for me minus the shutter lag. I love Pixel devices for everything else though like their calling features. I'm still going to keep my S22U for at least another year while my P7P will be handed down to my daughter. I can't believe she will have a better camera phone then me when I get my Fold. 😂
From my experience, the Pixel is better one-handed and I can never understand people using that excuse to promote the Galaxy Fold. My Fold 4 is a nightmare to use one-handed as I can never reach the top as it is taller; the Pixel is much easier. I suppose each to their own, but that reasoning simply does not fly with me.
@@soberanisfam1323 I see people like you swipe typing and it looks like magic. Sadly, I am older and teaching an old dog new tricks is challenging. But if you can swipe type then that is a solution as well as looking cool!
I canceled my Pixel Fold order and am sticking with my Fold 4. First, Samsung does actually have me roped into their ecosystem. I use Smart Things to control my television, my wife has an S23 Ultra so photo sharing is easier, etc. Also, it turns out that Samsung Gallery is actually pretty fantastic, especially on the video editing side. Second, Samsung's apps and OneUI. Through One Hand+ and Good Lock, you can customize the heck out of the Fold 4. Finally, form factor. Yes, the front screen is slightly cramped. But for content consumption, the Fold 4 is simply better once that screen is opened. I think Google is onto a good thing, but it's gen 1. There's work to be done and Tensor needs to go. Just my two cents.
I’m holding out on my purchase until the zfold5 is out.. I know there aren’t huge differences, but the new hinge design should hopefully sway me. Plus Dex is just too cool.
If samsung didn't fix the fifth Is generation, I wouldn't care if they added the s pen inside the phone and added a baker screen on the front. I still wouldn't Of pre ordered the phone. The new hinge was a make a break for me period I don't like the Google Pixel fold. The front screen is too wide for one-handed use. If I want to use two hands I open the phone. If I want to use one hand I use the front screen. Samsung Gots that down to a science.
You've answered a ton of my questions with this video. Thank you so much. One thing I will really miss now that I'm leaning towards the pixel, like you pointed out, is dex. I at least want the option to watch my content on an external display. Thanks again for an awesome, informative video!
Great comparison video, I'll be curious how the Fold 5 compares. I had the Fold 3 and the form factor wore on me after a while. This new Pixel Fold is fantastic; it looks and feels like a real phone with an optional big screen when you need it
for those who don't know, and the one thing missing from the video, is that if you hold the dock on the zfold, auto hide becomes enabled. if you then hold the pill, itll go back to being permanent. It's not that big of a feature that will change a person's opinion on some of those talking points, but it's nice to know for when multitasking. My one dream is that when held in book mode, the pixel fold should auto multitask. the minute you half fold the device like activating it's version of flex mode, the app should auto split like the duo. That might work and be so much cooler for multitasking.
I just got a refurbished fold 4 but after watching this video im thinking of getting the google Pixel when it comes out in Australia. Been with samsumg for years though.
You're the first RUclipsr to use Object eraser. All along I thought I was getting a feature in the Pixel Fold that my Z Fold 4 didn't have. I just made a car disappear out of my photo. Nice Video by the way.
I was excited for this phone and placed an order based on what I saw in yours and other videos. My only problem is that Google after 48 days of waiting canceled my order and after 4 days of wrangling with their useless help department I ended up buying it through Verizon. I should get my device on the 18th next week and I'm excited thanks for all your help and going through these choices. I have owned two z-folds and I can't live with that skinny screen. I switched to an s23 and that will be my backup. I think the sacrifices you mentioned are worth it for the form factor. Thanks again for a great comparison
Samsung has a one handed mode that makes reaching all points of screen possible. I enjoy my fold 3 the outside screen keeps me excited about the inner bigger screen.
personally i only want the next gen samsung folds to be wider. not shorter. I would dislike shorter. I want a samsung fold ultra with at least an 8" display : D
Omg I suddenly reliesed how I felt 7 years ago purchasing The White Blackberry Passort (still have it in box) I absolutely love the shape keyboard screen and battery life, 😊
For anyone that ever owned or still owns a BB Passport, you'll know why that width for a display is so perfect and I agree that the biggest appeal for me of the Pixel Fold over the Z Fold, apart from it being a Pixel, is the much larger, better suited for me outside cover display and if I were to get one, I'd use that display over the inner one majority of the time since I like using my phones one-handed. But that means that for my purposes, paying $1800+ for a device that I will open up every so often to use as a tablet is an unnecessary waste since I am perfectly content with my 7 Pro and my Surface Duo for when I want a larger tablet like experience with dual split screen capability.
Nice video. I don't understand why turning the Z Fold 90 degrees when open is such an undertaking. If I can handle this daunting task does one or the other perform better?
Did anyone call it a daunting task? When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps.
@@shanecraigtech Agree with your take, and appreciate the fact that the Pixel is the best form factor going forward. That being said, if the Z Fold is turned to landscape am I getting best of both worlds. Better usability in split screen and apps that fill the screen?
@@shanecraigtech Thanks again. I take that as a yes. I want to buy my first Fold device. I am leaning towards the Pixel Fold since I do use Google apps fairly heavily and prefer the Pixel form factor benefits, but I am trying to compare with Z Fold 5 and upcoming One Plus Open. I am life long Note user and the main thing that is holding me back is potential gains in battery life with Gen 2 and S Pen. I agree I will not notice performance gains between chips even when we jump to SD Gen 2. Currently my favorite reviewer. I appreciate your time.
The problem is that when all the famous YT creators dumped on the Pixel Fold for not having full apps in the inner display they did not show by switching to portrait could fix it, but will defend Samsung by saying it is easy to switch modes! Seems agenda-driven at times.
The form factor of two large screens, and flat folding drvice is what kept bringing me back to the duo and duo 2 from the fold phones. I've owned all the z folds and both duos, and I constantly admire the duo for how pretty it is. If only the software was better and it didn't feel like Microsoft just dropped the device for whatever else they're doing.. that's why I went back to the zfold. But the pixel fold almost feels like the lovechild between the duo and fold lines. It checks all my boxes and I'm looking forward to hopefully getting mine Friday.
Why why why do reviewers keep comparing non rotated fold! JUST FREAKING ROTATE IT MAN! I'm baffled that you of people keep on about this. There is no back and forth and it comes off as a defence of the pixel for artificial reasons.
Here is my pinned comment addressing this. When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps. I've explained my reasoning well enough on too many occasions. I've talked about rotating it in so many video already, but that's never enough.
@@shanecraigtech I'm not trying to be hostile but the logic is flawed. The ipad is made portrait and the tab s is made landscape. You wouldn't compare a portrait ipad pro to a landscape tab s playing RUclips and say the tab s is superior.
No, but it would be fair to point out that due to the default orientation people will generally get a different experience with the two devices. I'm not reading this as hostile, just saying I've talked about it in other videos several times.
@@shanecraigtech Yes it's fair to point out but you shouldn't make a full video of it. Every review of an ipad I've ever seen that compares it to any other tablet has them in matching orientations. There are some instances you show like the flex mode, that's fine and is a perfect example of the physical design difference. On an ipad vs tab s it's fair to point to the orientation affecting the camera angles. It's not fair to keep the devices that way for everything else. Particularly confused that you compared RUclips on a portrait fold vs landscape on pixel and gave it marks for it's bigger video. I honestly think this is something you should at the least never do again. Nothing is restricting the orientations of these devices when open. Not philosophy of design or anything else. Apps are available for both devices equally.
I was originally planning on getting the Pixel Fold. Pricing and financial stuff forced my hand. Google Fi gave me $1000 off the Z Fold 4, and I can say after a week and a half with it, I don't regret my purchase at all. I love it. A sleekstrip or popsocket also helps a lot when it comes to one hand usage.
I think you said it best. The aspect ratio is your preference. However, If you have a ring tab phone holder on the Z Fold 4, you can twist to the landscape preference very easily. The cover phone is too narrow, I give you that and it is a pain. However, the candybar phone aspect can also be too thin at times. Match: Z Fold 4!
You can rotate the Galaxy Fold to landscape and get the dual Gmail layout like the Pixel. The same thing for multitasking. However I love the size of the outside screen with the Pixel. But in my opinon without using the Pixel Fold in person, the inside screen is far better with the Z Fold 4.
It's pretty much the exact same screen, but rotated. I've answered this question about 200 times in these comments, it's pinned at the very top and I've followed up with a video in those responses. ruclips.net/video/yOG6deGvFCc/видео.html
I've said it before, but an absolutely lovely aspect of your comparisons is that you don't speak in terms of "A is 100% absolutely objectively better than B!" SOOOO many online viewpoints are just "Why would anyone get a Z Fold 4 when Pixel Fold is has a wider cover display?" and you go in depth on how there are actually alternative viewpoints/different priorities that can outweigh a wider cover display and even go as far as to validate those who'd disagree with your preference. Someone watching this video could reasonably infer that it's not a landslide victory in either direction, and I feel like that's been missing from the overwhelming majority of Pixel Fold vs ZF4 coverage. Keep it up, man! You deserve ten times the growth this channel has gotten.
Thanks to you I'm ahout to make 2000$ mistake on z fold though I'd pick samsung anytime over pixel, I guess I'm gonna go with s23 or s23+ or oneplus 11 to save my pocket since i already have s23u and looking to buy one more phone for business use I will wait for z fold 6 till then
i have the z fold 4 now i did have the Microsoft duo 1 and honestly i like the form factor and the way it looks and feels honestly if i could i would tread my fold 4 in for a pixel fold it just looks and feels more comfy like the duo does
It feels better to me for that reason. I'd like to see a Surface Duo ROM, for the Pixel Fold, while keeping some features that are Pixel exclusive. Multitasking on the Pixel Fold is better for me than on the Z Fold 4, but the Duo was the best for how to do dual screen.
I have so many things to say, but this is why foldable phones are so interesting in my opinion. You have 2 phones that are very similar in so many aspects, yet they both offer such different experiences in the day to day use or your particular use case. One thing you did not mention at all and while I like what the Pixel brings, is S-pen support. Dex is cool, but just like you, I like to have it but rarely use it, whereas the S-pen I use every day. I never really used the stylus with any other device and I did have a Note 5. Having the larger screen though, the S=pen makes interacting with it much easier. Samsung's trade in deals and support are hard to beat too. I am very much looking forward to what OnePlus comes out with because I loved my 6T and that was my daily driver for almost 3 years before I jumped to my first dual screen phone, the V60. Bring on the competition!
I have had the fold 5 and 6 and been really unhappy with how narrow the outer screen is. I have small fat fingers and typing on outer screen sucks. I think I’m going to try the fold. Good sale on Amazon right now. I never used the spen and I came from the notes where I used the spen all the time. I think it’s an aspect ratio thing for me.
I don't have a Pixel Fold (Canada), but do have a Surface Duo and have used a Fold 4. I cannot comfortably use the Duo one handed when folded, whereas I can with the Fold 4, at least from a screen width perspective. I know the Pixel Fold is narrower than the Duo so it'd likely be the sweet spot for one handed use. What I can say is that with the Fold 4 unfolded, I would rotate my screen more often than not. There is value and convenience in having an unfolded phone immediately be in landscape orientation. All else being equal (meaning we disregard price, availability, support, which in my opinion all favor Samsung when you look at the incredible preorder and trade in offers provide), I'd probably choose the fold for that orientation convenience + now playing. Fold 4's S Pen and multi window compatibility are nice to haves but I never really used that in the brief time that I owned one.
Process being faster usually means opens up slightly faster. Even when the Z Fold 5 vs Google Pixel Fold 2 coke out it will be slight difference in Snap Dragon 8+ vs G3 tensor chip.
The camera and the front display are without doubt better on the pixel which would make me go for it as it was my biggest frustration on the zfolds. Just wish Google made a bigger effort to push more custom features like Samsung for the device when its open. I don't see app developers ever changing anything for such a low selling device.
If samsung made the fold 5 design similsr to the pixel fold it would be an instant buy. I just dont know why they are so against listening to consumers sf and fixing the silly cover display. Also google should have waited to put tensor g3 in the fold....... compromises on both ends
One thing you didn't mention, is you could easily turn the fold 4 into landscape orientation and have all the tablet apps youre looking for, just like the pixel fold.
I think it's mentioned about 352 times in these very comments. The title of the video directs you to a pinned comment containing an entire video on this.
This was the first video I've seen from your channel. I also just watched the video you mentioned, lol it seems you received a lot of slack over the same thing I said, apologies didn't mean to bring it up again lol.
That 2mm gap around the internal display (6:55) on the pixel fold looks like a collecting point for dust. is it as bad IRL or just the way the video captured it?
My Z Fold typically looks the same. The only reason is doesn't is because it had been cleaned and put away since the Pixel arrived. It has a gap of similar, if not slightly smaller, size.
funny I agree with this whole video, and goes back to us Surface duo users. A perfect device just needing a cover display and I think microsoft would still be in the game heavy, and prob would have released the duo 3 the iteration they had done back in january. I think like oppo, the pixel fold takes the perfect size phone screen on the outside and makes it perfectly useable (I think slab phones in general got too big nowadays the reason why steve jobs before he passed hated the idea of a big iphone). This makes it so you dont have to compromise having a huge long phone in your pocket because you want or need a bigger display more practical imo. As you stated before I think now since google has jumped into this fold, 3rd party app developers will start to update their apps more and more for a tablet version. Great review
The cover screen sparks big debate😮 I think you're wrong about the height. The height of the ZF4 is the same as any big phone and I don't hear arguments about not reaching the top of those one handed. The ZF4 screen is too narrow to type with? I've struggled to find a review on the iPhone 5 or 6 where people complained about them being too narrow to type on. We have all become too spoilt with tech these days we just nitpick. What's the point of a foldable if you just use it as a phone or a tablet if you just use it as a tablet. Most people use their tablets in portrait, so Samsung are correct on both counts. The Samsung is the better device because it can do everything the pixel can, which includes using it in landscape. The choice will come down to what you prefer a folding tablet or an opening phone.
I can't be wrong, it's my opinion lol. You're free to disagree though. To restate a bit more clearly though, it's a compound issue. You said the Fold height is the same as any other big phone, and that's true. I don't love it on other huge phones either though. As I've said, if you're having to build software to actively disable parts of your screen so that people can use your phone with one hand you've sort of lost the usability plot. I say it's a compound issue though because not only is it taller than I'd like, it's also more narrow than I'd like. Content ends up being tiny and often out of reach. For me, the Pixel has neither of those issues. Your last sentence is bang on.
Another great part of the design is that the Pixel is much better if you are like me and use a case. I have tried several Fold4 cases and they all sucked because of the issue in covering the front, meaning they end up using sticky tape for that part and that puts you off using different cases when you need. e.g. hardcore for outdoor pursuits, and thin and light for normal. Samsung's own cases get 2/5 stars and they appear to have little thought. Google's own and third-party offer some great looks and designs. This ties in with the practical decisions Google made that fit in well with my ideals. Form over function is Samsung; function, function and function are Google.
The surface duo 1 works great as a foldable tablet, software oddities aside. The battery is too weak to make it my primary phone though. I suspect it would be the same case with the pixel fold. I couldn't spend a morning in tablet mode then make it through my day without charging. I'm liking the dimensions of the pixel fold. Hoping for a phone that can open up to become closer to a small laptop experience. I'd love a software keyboard that has a software touchpad built in. For those also looking for this, "touchpad for big phone & tab" app is the closest I've found. I'd be interested in a pocketable multi fold tablet. No outer screen necessary.
Not many folds can last all day. The Fold 4 gets me 5-6 hours SOT which is similar to the Pixel Fold. The Pixel has a larger battery than the Fold4 which helps it claw back battery life.
I completely agree with you Shane! I'm sitting on my pre-order waiting for the Pixel Fold to arrive. But while I do I've contstantly been having this nagging thought about the compromises just for that perfect aspect ratio. A question I have for you is, what's your take on the OnePlus Open vs the Pixel Fold? I'm torn between the no compromise performance of the OnePlus with what is still a fairly conventional aspect ratio (matches the Pixel 7 exactly as far as I know) versus the much smaller Pixel Fold? Always been a small phone fan and will be moving from an S10e
I just checked that claim and the S21U is about a third wider than the Fold 4 and in fact closer to the Pixel Fold in that metric than it is to the Fold 4.
I would like to have an aspect ratio in between. The Z Fold 4 is narrower than a normal smartphone, the Pixel Fold is wider than a normal smartphone. iPhone 14 Pro: 19,5 : 9 Pixel Fold: 17,4 : 9 (+ wide hinge) Galaxy Z Fold 4: 23,1 : 9 (+ narrow hinge) I used the Pixel Fold and it's too wide for me. I find the width uncomfortable.
Fold 4 anytime. The outer screen is the strength of fold 4. Making it handy and battery saver when basic tasks needs to be done or checking the messages. Or emails. To compose content, streaming, reviewing. There is a great inner screen.
I wish I can build my own Frankenstein smart phone. I would want these things in my new phone. - The aspect ratio of the pixel fold and Microsoft Duo. - Android desktop via USB C for my nexdock - Snapdragon processors... Not tensor I still like surface duo 2's two separate screens because they are more durable and I want them to last 5 years. I might just buy s23 ultra and use that for 3-5 years until foldable phones come down in price and are more durable.
The Oneplus Fold will be in between these two in terms of aspect ratio. For me that will be the best. 20:9, 6.2 inch outer screen that is wide enough but also tall enough. Inside screen the same story although it will probably open apps in phone mode without rotating it or will only open apps in tablet mode as it will be wide enough both orientation.
I think the narrower screen of the Fold 4 works for folks that have big hands. Me and my wife are tall people. I'm 6'7 and she is 5'11. I can reach the top corners one-handed. She can almost reach the top corners. I agree that the cover display isn't the best for typing. I prefer to open the device to compose comments, emails and multiple messages.
i have the fold 4, its very easy to carry as even with small hands you can wrap your hands around it and feels like a regular medium size phone in the pocket, though i would prefer a wider cover display.
Samsung has been at this for five variations and over this time I think they blew it with the screen size (aspect ratio). The Google Fold size is so much better.
Why is rotating them a problem? When open, foldables are tablets, not phones. So as a tablet you rotate them as you wish, just like you would an iPad. If Pixel doesn't display an app correctly in landscape - rotate it. Same with Samsung.
IMO It's not a problem that's the whole point of a tablet, and if it is a problem for some users I genuinely like to hear why? I find it really bizarre that review after review keep mentioning and comparing the two devices like the aspect ratio can't be rotated just because each device opens in a different default position, portrait vs. landscape. I own both devices and the pixel in portrait mode does not do a vertical side-by-side multi app display instead it only displays them horizontally. It would be great to see a review comparing both devices when they're in the same aspect ratio on what they're capable of in the same orientation.
@@wailashshowaf5942I completely agree. My friend just got Pixel Fold and even he says he likes the way the Samsung UI makes better use of the display real estate. Google is in bed with Samsung right now, they should bake some of Samsung's features into the Pixel UI.
With my Z Fold 4 I never use it in the tall format I have it rotated like the Pixel Fold position and I've done that since the Z Fold 2. No one uses it in the natural first open mode. So Google got it right.
I assume you mean taller. Honestly, no. Not only would that just be adding height that I would struggle to reach, it would also make the inner display too square.
The OPPO Find N2 will not get a global release and it appears that OPPO are killing that design. The OPPO Find N3 will be a rebranded OnePlus Fold. Not sure you can expect $1200 as that seems impossible. I expect the OnePlus to be $1600 or more if sold in the US.
FYI rumours are a desktop mode will be part of Android 14. I assume when it is ready so maybe not at launch. Also, scaling API for phone apps so they can, going forward, simply scale from phone to tablet without too much work for devs. So the takeaway is that the Pixel may not have all the bells and whistles on day one but do not be too prejudiced as I suspect with time it will get closer in software to the Galaxy Fold and still have the advantages of the AI/ML of Pixel apps like Translate, Dictaion, Recorder, etc.
I have an idea. By far not a fix as it will be slow, but potentially useful every now and then, or maybe just clunky. A gesture down in the right bottom where you hold your thumb for 0.5 seconds and it makes the bottom third or half into a trackpad area. You dont see a virtual trackpad you just see a circle you can move around from here, like a mouse... It might be a bit hard to control though...
I do hate my outer display on the fold 4. But there's so much Google need to improve on the fold, the chip, the software etc. Imma keep with Samsung for now but if they don't switch up next year imma start looking at pixel gen 2
The Pixel Fold is Already King of Foldables in my opinion if you care about Better Cameras, Clearer display somehow, and a Book set up with the inner Screen. Plus Android works better on a Google phone. That's all the main things that matter. Now Z Fold 5 will be King if you care about S Pen, Excessive Multitasking that your average customer won't use, and a inner display with no bezels. The Pixel Fold Flaws are only in the beginning. It for very hot day 1 but after that it adjust and doesn't get hot no more, the fold opens up all the way just a hair away from all the way but so does the Z Fold 4. Unless there are a few defective devices out but mines is Perfect. I had the Z Fold 2, Z Fold 3, & Z Fold 4 and taking photos on the Pixel Fold you instantly know it's a Superior Camera.
You can rotate the fold 4 to compare the landscape tablet ratios. They seem to be almost the same size landscape. Otherwise fold 4 not rotated is phone mode...sorry if I sounded like an ass been a rough day
There's just too much 'but' with the pixel fold. While apps would run like a big phone on Z fold 4 in portrait mode, users can just rotate it and you'll get the same 'tablet experience' as the pixel fold. Pixel fold on the other hand, has those black bars everytime and while you can rotate it in portait mode to take advantage of the full screen, you cannot take full advantage of the landscape screen unlike the fold 4. I also don't think that devs would prioritize optimizing their apps for the pixel fold coz it's a very niche market so the portait by default is an advange for the likes of samsung ,huawei and xiaomi foldables. And for an $1800 phone to be missing features that other oems already have (desktop interface, reverse wireless charging, etc.), i don't think it's a great buy considering that other foldables can be had for $1300-$1500. If only the cost is a little lower like $1300-1500, then the conversation would be different.
Aspect ratio and thickness / thinness are where the Pixel wins. Processor, battery and multitasking go to the Galaxy. The Pixel is a real letdown in my opinion. It looked so good. I had high hopes. Then I tried one and found all the issues. It is the better hand warmer though.
After using both devices I still think the ZFold4 is the better device even with all its flaws Google did a good job on its first foldable but we probably won't see something as polished as ZFold4 until the 2nd/3rd edition.
It doesn't say you can use the top of the front screen on the Samsung. It's still screen real estate, just not touch friendly real estate. I'm also not a fan of split screen of two apps. Samsung has had over 3 years to develop their software to integrate all this.
Does the z fold 4 make you want to use it less with outer display being so narrow? I feel like it would be a great phone if you want to avoid getting distracted. When you want to dive into a video or an excel sheet you have that large inner display.
It is hard to do anything productive on the Fold 4 outer display, it is close to useless for typing. I suppose some nimble-fingered swipe keyboard users may be able to make it work, but it really is terrible for my usage; every other letter is wrong and auto-correct isn't great and dictation is weak versus the Pixel.
Not really. It survived being closed on debris, which was good and failed when a ton of force was applied. More force than will ever be applied in real life. At certain point it's like testing phone durability with a wood chipper lol.
Your reviews are great - appreciate your attention to detail and your attempts to remove bias when describing features comparatively. Because Google is the godfather of Android (once they bought it anyways), I feel like we all WANT the Nexus and now Pixel devices to be better than they wind up actually being. I’m still convinced the Nexus 9 with the right chip was the absolute perfect tablet. You mention at the end that the GF4 opened up is just a large phone screen, vs the PF, but by literally rotating 90 degrees, doesn’t it change apps into “tablet mode” if available? Love the form factor on the PF, but the fact it is a first gen product, and most notably, a GOOGLE first gem product, I’m leaning towards the PF4.
Yes, you can rotate the Z Fold to get the tablet layout. That's sort of missing my point though. When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps.
@@shanecraigtech I absolutely agree - and it makes some sense in terms of each company’s reasoning behind their decision. Google (as the software developer) designed their foldable for the best tablet experience - but did so in the hopes that app developers would take their lead and further optimize apps for the form factor. Samsung on the other hand, may have chose portrait due to the reality that is the Android App marketplace - most apps are not tablet-ized, so going with portrait mode, while less “tablet-like”, gives the user the best LOOKING experience upon opening the phone.
@@shanecraigtech@scaryifliteral Fair enough - have to say that inwas tempted by the PF but I love my ZF4 too much, especially using the s pen on the inner screen. Love your content BTW, keep up the great work!
Wow a sarcastic comment that adds nothing of value to the conversation lol. I have a secret to tell you. When it come to day to day tasks, things aren't really getting faster. The Fold 5 will be pretty much the same as the Fold 4 which was pretty similar to the Fold 3. Are you seeing a pattern?
@@shanecraigtech comment wasn't meant to be that way honestly. You kinda also demonstrated my point of an older an cheaper device is equal to, spec wise a newer device. The tech has reached a pinnacle in smart phones. Now we just have to see if the design catches up. Neither of these phones should cost as much as they do. I would also assume the fold five is going to only improve on the hinge, processer based on current leaks which may lead to a bit better battery life, but no real life changing speed and power. Even the great silicon of Apple which threads all on benchmarks offers no real life speed advantage.Anyway, great comparison break down. Again my apologies.
I really would like to be able to have 3 apps opened simultaneously. Is this something that Google could add in a software update in the future or would it need new hardware? There are bound to be improvements to this first generation device 🤞🏻
I'm sure they can add it but I'm not too sure that the G2 would run it as well as the Qualcomm chips can. AlsoI think Google may make choices to negate the thermal issues of their chips too.
@@shanecraigtech Like I said, it will work but not as smoothly as the Fold 4 would. The G2 is great at everyday tasks but will suffer under heavy load. It was one of the reasons I returned my 7 Pro.
So, you can enable freeform windows on the Pixel and launch like 4 apps all together though. It's every bit as smooth as the Z Fold 4. You'd have to launch multiple games or something really taxing to see the difference.
I think if the front screen is too good, you'll use it more than the foldable display which is the main selling point. For that reason, I think Fold 4 is better as you're actually getting your moneys worth using the foldable screen 80% of the time. What is it for the pixel? 50/50 or hopefully not less
You seem to be arguing that having a cover display that isn't useful for many things is preferable to having one that is. This is hard for me to understand. To me, having two displays which are both very good, well suited for different tasks is pretty much the entire point of a foldable. It's two great devices in one. That seems obviously preferable over one great device and a mediocre cover display, right?
That argument is poor. When paying $1800 there is no excuse for a poor front display and defending the indefensible is flawed logic. I expect a great front and inner display for $1800 and I will decide how much I use each display, not be forced by Samsung because their front display is a design abomination! Samsung has got it wrong and apparently, they know this and will correct it with the Fold 6.
@@shanecraigtech I upgraded to Fold 4 from the Surface Duo 1 which had amazing thinness probably because it had no front screen. I actually was hoping samsung could find a way to make it that thin even if it means sacrificing the front display. But it being narrow helps make the thickness more handleable, just wished it was more thinner. I think front screens should be kind of like the foldable Flip phones more focus on previewing/checking things. Not used for productivity. I haven't tried the Pixel Fold so maybe I will flip pun intended but for now, I think Samsung should focus more on making device thinner and lighter and think that means sacrificing the front display. As these devices are way too thick. Surface Duo 1 was the prefect thinness. Of course in a world without physics having both would be great, but 2 screens are just going thicker than 1 and the more narrow a device is, the better grip and handle one usually can achieve to accommodate the larger thickness. Like the way I handle the fold 4, imagining it being wider thus heavier will add more cumbersomeness to an already not ideal experience. I'll have to play with the Pixel Fold to see it but right now the Fold 4 seems too thick and bulky and it being wider thus heavier seems like you're going in the wrong direction personally.
I completely agree with you. Z-Fold is still the King!! @casual_connor I ended up sticking with the fold 4. I do like the candy bar form factor of the fold 4 more. It makes it easier to hold one handed. I also used goodlock to make keyboard bigger. I also like the fold 4 inner screen orientation as well. The default landscape orientation of the opened pixel is harder to old one handed than the fold 4 as well. One ui is also just better on a foldable. I want to like the pixel fold more because google is my main ecosystem, I just don't think it's there yet.
Why you guys absolutely REFUSE to read the 200 times I've already addressed this or at least the pinned comment is beyond me. ruclips.net/video/yOG6deGvFCc/видео.html
Samsung is definitely more refined they just need to change the weird aspect ratio. Pixel us a bit too small. A s23 ultra size aspect ratio would be perfect.
Even after the Z Fold 5 comes out, the Pixel Fold will still be the winner in my eyes. Because of the aspect ratios alone. The ultimate proof of this would be if samsung changes their design eventually to match.
If you're about to tell me to rotate the Z Fold read or watch this first.
ruclips.net/video/yOG6deGvFCc/видео.html
When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps.
If you scrolled past this explanation to tell me I was acting "handicapped" you're probably going to get blocked from commenting. Some of you guys need to grow up.
I ended up sticking with the fold 4. I do like the candy bar form factor of the fold 4 more. It makes it easier to hold one handed. I also used goodlock to make keyboard bigger. I also like the fold 4 inner screen orientation as well. The default landscape orientation of the opened pixel is harder to old one handed than the fold 4 as well.
One ui is also just better on a foldable. I want to like the pixel fold more because google is my main ecosystem, I just don't think it's there yet.
but you said in the video the complete opposite that you preferred the aspect ratio of the pixel?
Exactly, opening up to portrait VS landscape is way better due to it being way easier to use in portrait mode... You can even use it one handed in portrait mode
Best comparison video so far! Appreciate an unbiased LIVE comparison for users.
One RUclipsr made a good point. He said they are two very different devices. The Pixel Fold front screen is like a small candy bar phone and he has mainly used the front screen but with the Fold 4 being so narrow and tall, it makes you want to use it unfolded. He also stated that he can hold the Fold with one hand, whereas the Pixel Fold is a little too wide to hold with one hand. It seems that they are very different experiences.
It's definitely possible for people to have different experiences, for people to prioritize different things. I acknowledge that the Z fold is easier to simply hold on to with one hand. What I'm not prepared to say is that it's easier to actually use one-handed. Holding and using are two very different things. If you can't reach the entire top half of the screen that's a problem.
That being said, some people have giant hands and that just isn't an issue for them. I think it's best for people to try and get their hands on the device and see which one fits their hands and their sensibilities best.
I think with the Z Fold you are most likely be using the inner screen a lot more as the front one is too narrow for most people. While on the Fold it's wider so people will tend to use the front screen more and will know that if they need more space then they could use the inner screen. That's how I see it.
I have that Fold coming in a few days but I'm already looking forward to the Z Fold 6 as I feel like I will ultimately land on that long term. I currently have both the S22U and P7P but if I had to keep one it would be the S22U as it just does everything for me minus the shutter lag. I love Pixel devices for everything else though like their calling features. I'm still going to keep my S22U for at least another year while my P7P will be handed down to my daughter. I can't believe she will have a better camera phone then me when I get my Fold. 😂
From my experience, the Pixel is better one-handed and I can never understand people using that excuse to promote the Galaxy Fold. My Fold 4 is a nightmare to use one-handed as I can never reach the top as it is taller; the Pixel is much easier. I suppose each to their own, but that reasoning simply does not fly with me.
@@andyH_Englandmy fold 4 is a dream to use one handed especially swipe typing
@@soberanisfam1323 I see people like you swipe typing and it looks like magic. Sadly, I am older and teaching an old dog new tricks is challenging. But if you can swipe type then that is a solution as well as looking cool!
I canceled my Pixel Fold order and am sticking with my Fold 4. First, Samsung does actually have me roped into their ecosystem. I use Smart Things to control my television, my wife has an S23 Ultra so photo sharing is easier, etc. Also, it turns out that Samsung Gallery is actually pretty fantastic, especially on the video editing side. Second, Samsung's apps and OneUI. Through One Hand+ and Good Lock, you can customize the heck out of the Fold 4. Finally, form factor. Yes, the front screen is slightly cramped. But for content consumption, the Fold 4 is simply better once that screen is opened. I think Google is onto a good thing, but it's gen 1. There's work to be done and Tensor needs to go. Just my two cents.
Perfectly reasonable
Google definitely needs to fix Tensor. I believe they should buy Snapdragon and use them to build their custom chips for their Pixels.
I’m holding out on my purchase until the zfold5 is out.. I know there aren’t huge differences, but the new hinge design should hopefully sway me. Plus Dex is just too cool.
Dex is sweet
@@bigdrews4360If dex could support multi screen stretch and not mirror When I plumbing a second monitor, I would use dex.
If samsung didn't fix the fifth Is generation, I wouldn't care if they added the s pen inside the phone and added a baker screen on the front. I still wouldn't Of pre ordered the phone. The new hinge was a make a break for me period I don't like the Google Pixel fold.
The front screen is too wide for one-handed use. If I want to use two hands I open the phone. If I want to use one hand I use the front screen. Samsung Gots that down to a science.
You've answered a ton of my questions with this video. Thank you so much. One thing I will really miss now that I'm leaning towards the pixel, like you pointed out, is dex. I at least want the option to watch my content on an external display. Thanks again for an awesome, informative video!
Great comparison video, I'll be curious how the Fold 5 compares. I had the Fold 3 and the form factor wore on me after a while. This new Pixel Fold is fantastic; it looks and feels like a real phone with an optional big screen when you need it
for those who don't know, and the one thing missing from the video, is that if you hold the dock on the zfold, auto hide becomes enabled. if you then hold the pill, itll go back to being permanent. It's not that big of a feature that will change a person's opinion on some of those talking points, but it's nice to know for when multitasking.
My one dream is that when held in book mode, the pixel fold should auto multitask. the minute you half fold the device like activating it's version of flex mode, the app should auto split like the duo. That might work and be so much cooler for multitasking.
I just got a refurbished fold 4 but after watching this video im thinking of getting the google Pixel when it comes out in Australia. Been with samsumg for years though.
You're the first RUclipsr to use Object eraser. All along I thought I was getting a feature in the Pixel Fold that my Z Fold 4 didn't have. I just made a car disappear out of my photo. Nice Video by the way.
Thanks!
I was excited for this phone and placed an order based on what I saw in yours and other videos. My only problem is that Google after 48 days of waiting canceled my order and after 4 days of wrangling with their useless help department I ended up buying it through Verizon. I should get my device on the 18th next week and I'm excited thanks for all your help and going through these choices. I have owned two z-folds and I can't live with that skinny screen. I switched to an s23 and that will be my backup. I think the sacrifices you mentioned are worth it for the form factor. Thanks again for a great comparison
Thanks again!
Rough start lol. Hope it's worth it!
Samsung has a one handed mode that makes reaching all points of screen possible. I enjoy my fold 3 the outside screen keeps me excited about the inner bigger screen.
I bet the Zold Fold 6 will be a bit shorter than the other generations. The Pixel Fold has set a new standard
personally i only want the next gen samsung folds to be wider. not shorter. I would dislike shorter. I want a samsung fold ultra with at least an 8" display : D
Omg I suddenly reliesed how I felt 7 years ago purchasing The White Blackberry Passort (still have it in box) I absolutely love the shape keyboard screen and battery life, 😊
For anyone that ever owned or still owns a BB Passport, you'll know why that width for a display is so perfect and I agree that the biggest appeal for me of the Pixel Fold over the Z Fold, apart from it being a Pixel, is the much larger, better suited for me outside cover display and if I were to get one, I'd use that display over the inner one majority of the time since I like using my phones one-handed.
But that means that for my purposes, paying $1800+ for a device that I will open up every so often to use as a tablet is an unnecessary waste since I am perfectly content with my 7 Pro and my Surface Duo for when I want a larger tablet like experience with dual split screen capability.
Nice video. I don't understand why turning the Z Fold 90 degrees when open is such an undertaking. If I can handle this daunting task does one or the other perform better?
Did anyone call it a daunting task? When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps.
@@shanecraigtech Agree with your take, and appreciate the fact that the Pixel is the best form factor going forward. That being said, if the Z Fold is turned to landscape am I getting best of both worlds. Better usability in split screen and apps that fill the screen?
@@shanecraigtech Thanks again. I take that as a yes. I want to buy my first Fold device. I am leaning towards the Pixel Fold since I do use Google apps fairly heavily and prefer the Pixel form factor benefits, but I am trying to compare with Z Fold 5 and upcoming One Plus Open. I am life long Note user and the main thing that is holding me back is potential gains in battery life with Gen 2 and S Pen. I agree I will not notice performance gains between chips even when we jump to SD Gen 2.
Currently my favorite reviewer. I appreciate your time.
The problem is that when all the famous YT creators dumped on the Pixel Fold for not having full apps in the inner display they did not show by switching to portrait could fix it, but will defend Samsung by saying it is easy to switch modes! Seems agenda-driven at times.
The form factor of two large screens, and flat folding drvice is what kept bringing me back to the duo and duo 2 from the fold phones. I've owned all the z folds and both duos, and I constantly admire the duo for how pretty it is. If only the software was better and it didn't feel like Microsoft just dropped the device for whatever else they're doing.. that's why I went back to the zfold. But the pixel fold almost feels like the lovechild between the duo and fold lines. It checks all my boxes and I'm looking forward to hopefully getting mine Friday.
Why why why do reviewers keep comparing non rotated fold! JUST FREAKING ROTATE IT MAN! I'm baffled that you of people keep on about this. There is no back and forth and it comes off as a defence of the pixel for artificial reasons.
Here is my pinned comment addressing this.
When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps.
I've explained my reasoning well enough on too many occasions. I've talked about rotating it in so many video already, but that's never enough.
@@shanecraigtech I'm not trying to be hostile but the logic is flawed. The ipad is made portrait and the tab s is made landscape. You wouldn't compare a portrait ipad pro to a landscape tab s playing RUclips and say the tab s is superior.
No, but it would be fair to point out that due to the default orientation people will generally get a different experience with the two devices. I'm not reading this as hostile, just saying I've talked about it in other videos several times.
@@shanecraigtech Yes it's fair to point out but you shouldn't make a full video of it. Every review of an ipad I've ever seen that compares it to any other tablet has them in matching orientations. There are some instances you show like the flex mode, that's fine and is a perfect example of the physical design difference. On an ipad vs tab s it's fair to point to the orientation affecting the camera angles. It's not fair to keep the devices that way for everything else. Particularly confused that you compared RUclips on a portrait fold vs landscape on pixel and gave it marks for it's bigger video. I honestly think this is something you should at the least never do again. Nothing is restricting the orientations of these devices when open. Not philosophy of design or anything else. Apps are available for both devices equally.
I think Google realizes the same thing on the inner screen when it allows you to move full screen apps to move side to side lol
I was originally planning on getting the Pixel Fold. Pricing and financial stuff forced my hand. Google Fi gave me $1000 off the Z Fold 4, and I can say after a week and a half with it, I don't regret my purchase at all. I love it.
A sleekstrip or popsocket also helps a lot when it comes to one hand usage.
...so wait... Did you get the Z Fold 4...or the Pold?
@@2MenEQ I got the Z Fold 4 because I couldn't afford the Pixel fold.
@@raxcentalruthenta1456didn't Google Fi have a promo on the Pixel Fold? Like $1,200 for 2 years?
I think you said it best. The aspect ratio is your preference. However, If you have a ring tab phone holder on the Z Fold 4, you can twist to the landscape preference very easily. The cover phone is too narrow, I give you that and it is a pain. However, the candybar phone aspect can also be too thin at times. Match: Z Fold 4!
You can rotate the Galaxy Fold to landscape and get the dual Gmail layout like the Pixel. The same thing for multitasking. However I love the size of the outside screen with the Pixel. But in my opinon without using the Pixel Fold in person, the inside screen is far better with the Z Fold 4.
It's pretty much the exact same screen, but rotated. I've answered this question about 200 times in these comments, it's pinned at the very top and I've followed up with a video in those responses. ruclips.net/video/yOG6deGvFCc/видео.html
I've said it before, but an absolutely lovely aspect of your comparisons is that you don't speak in terms of "A is 100% absolutely objectively better than B!"
SOOOO many online viewpoints are just "Why would anyone get a Z Fold 4 when Pixel Fold is has a wider cover display?" and you go in depth on how there are actually alternative viewpoints/different priorities that can outweigh a wider cover display and even go as far as to validate those who'd disagree with your preference. Someone watching this video could reasonably infer that it's not a landslide victory in either direction, and I feel like that's been missing from the overwhelming majority of Pixel Fold vs ZF4 coverage.
Keep it up, man! You deserve ten times the growth this channel has gotten.
Thanks dude! It's certainly no landslide either way. Two different devices that I'm glad exist for people to choose between.
Thanks to you I'm ahout to make 2000$ mistake on z fold though I'd pick samsung anytime over pixel, I guess I'm gonna go with s23 or s23+ or oneplus 11 to save my pocket since i already have s23u and looking to buy one more phone for business use
I will wait for z fold 6 till then
At that price point I stay with the fold 4 or fold 5 it has way more features and is clearly way more customizable in every way plus it has dex
In every way?
i have the z fold 4 now i did have the Microsoft duo 1 and honestly i like the form factor and the way it looks and feels honestly if i could i would tread my fold 4 in for a pixel fold it just looks and feels more comfy like the duo does
It feels better to me for that reason. I'd like to see a Surface Duo ROM, for the Pixel Fold, while keeping some features that are Pixel exclusive. Multitasking on the Pixel Fold is better for me than on the Z Fold 4, but the Duo was the best for how to do dual screen.
I have so many things to say, but this is why foldable phones are so interesting in my opinion. You have 2 phones that are very similar in so many aspects, yet they both offer such different experiences in the day to day use or your particular use case. One thing you did not mention at all and while I like what the Pixel brings, is S-pen support. Dex is cool, but just like you, I like to have it but rarely use it, whereas the S-pen I use every day. I never really used the stylus with any other device and I did have a Note 5. Having the larger screen though, the S=pen makes interacting with it much easier.
Samsung's trade in deals and support are hard to beat too. I am very much looking forward to what OnePlus comes out with because I loved my 6T and that was my daily driver for almost 3 years before I jumped to my first dual screen phone, the V60. Bring on the competition!
The PF form factor makes more sense. I see Apple doing the same when they release their version of foldable
I have had the fold 5 and 6 and been really unhappy with how narrow the outer screen is. I have small fat fingers and typing on outer screen sucks. I think I’m going to try the fold. Good sale on Amazon right now. I never used the spen and I came from the notes where I used the spen all the time. I think it’s an aspect ratio thing for me.
I don't have a Pixel Fold (Canada), but do have a Surface Duo and have used a Fold 4. I cannot comfortably use the Duo one handed when folded, whereas I can with the Fold 4, at least from a screen width perspective. I know the Pixel Fold is narrower than the Duo so it'd likely be the sweet spot for one handed use.
What I can say is that with the Fold 4 unfolded, I would rotate my screen more often than not. There is value and convenience in having an unfolded phone immediately be in landscape orientation.
All else being equal (meaning we disregard price, availability, support, which in my opinion all favor Samsung when you look at the incredible preorder and trade in offers provide), I'd probably choose the fold for that orientation convenience + now playing. Fold 4's S Pen and multi window compatibility are nice to haves but I never really used that in the brief time that I owned one.
It's pretty easy to reach the top of the Zfold 4 if you grip it from the middle instead of the bottom
I'd absolutely love a Pro/Ultra verson of these phones that is as tall as the Z Fold and as wide as the Pixel Fold.
Process being faster usually means opens up slightly faster. Even when the Z Fold 5 vs Google Pixel Fold 2 coke out it will be slight difference in Snap Dragon 8+ vs G3 tensor chip.
The camera and the front display are without doubt better on the pixel which would make me go for it as it was my biggest frustration on the zfolds. Just wish Google made a bigger effort to push more custom features like Samsung for the device when its open. I don't see app developers ever changing anything for such a low selling device.
Zfold multitasking and spen make it a multitasking monster. That being said I've owned every pixel so I had to get the pixel fold
Your videos are always killing it! I am here on my iPhone 14 pro desiring to have any of those two
I’ve been watching them too but can’t get on with Android.
If samsung made the fold 5 design similsr to the pixel fold it would be an instant buy. I just dont know why they are so against listening to consumers sf and fixing the silly cover display. Also google should have waited to put tensor g3 in the fold....... compromises on both ends
One thing you didn't mention, is you could easily turn the fold 4 into landscape orientation and have all the tablet apps youre looking for, just like the pixel fold.
I think it's mentioned about 352 times in these very comments. The title of the video directs you to a pinned comment containing an entire video on this.
@@shanecraigtech yeah, I meant in this specific video..
This was the first video I've seen from your channel. I also just watched the video you mentioned, lol it seems you received a lot of slack over the same thing I said, apologies didn't mean to bring it up again lol.
Your comment is fine. You can't see the really fun ones anymore lol
@@shanecraigtech I like your perspective on devices and have subbed to your channel! Keep up the great work!
That 2mm gap around the internal display (6:55) on the pixel fold looks like a collecting point for dust. is it as bad IRL or just the way the video captured it?
My Z Fold typically looks the same. The only reason is doesn't is because it had been cleaned and put away since the Pixel arrived. It has a gap of similar, if not slightly smaller, size.
funny I agree with this whole video, and goes back to us Surface duo users. A perfect device just needing a cover display and I think microsoft would still be in the game heavy, and prob would have released the duo 3 the iteration they had done back in january. I think like oppo, the pixel fold takes the perfect size phone screen on the outside and makes it perfectly useable (I think slab phones in general got too big nowadays the reason why steve jobs before he passed hated the idea of a big iphone). This makes it so you dont have to compromise having a huge long phone in your pocket because you want or need a bigger display more practical imo. As you stated before I think now since google has jumped into this fold, 3rd party app developers will start to update their apps more and more for a tablet version. Great review
The cover screen sparks big debate😮 I think you're wrong about the height. The height of the ZF4 is the same as any big phone and I don't hear arguments about not reaching the top of those one handed. The ZF4 screen is too narrow to type with? I've struggled to find a review on the iPhone 5 or 6 where people complained about them being too narrow to type on. We have all become too spoilt with tech these days we just nitpick. What's the point of a foldable if you just use it as a phone or a tablet if you just use it as a tablet. Most people use their tablets in portrait, so Samsung are correct on both counts. The Samsung is the better device because it can do everything the pixel can, which includes using it in landscape. The choice will come down to what you prefer a folding tablet or an opening phone.
I can't be wrong, it's my opinion lol. You're free to disagree though. To restate a bit more clearly though, it's a compound issue. You said the Fold height is the same as any other big phone, and that's true. I don't love it on other huge phones either though. As I've said, if you're having to build software to actively disable parts of your screen so that people can use your phone with one hand you've sort of lost the usability plot.
I say it's a compound issue though because not only is it taller than I'd like, it's also more narrow than I'd like. Content ends up being tiny and often out of reach. For me, the Pixel has neither of those issues. Your last sentence is bang on.
The fold had one handed mode, you can just enable that shortcut and it'll shrink it down to reach those areas.
I know. Requiring software to use the entire screen is indicative of bad design.
Another great part of the design is that the Pixel is much better if you are like me and use a case. I have tried several Fold4 cases and they all sucked because of the issue in covering the front, meaning they end up using sticky tape for that part and that puts you off using different cases when you need. e.g. hardcore for outdoor pursuits, and thin and light for normal. Samsung's own cases get 2/5 stars and they appear to have little thought. Google's own and third-party offer some great looks and designs.
This ties in with the practical decisions Google made that fit in well with my ideals. Form over function is Samsung; function, function and function are Google.
The surface duo 1 works great as a foldable tablet, software oddities aside. The battery is too weak to make it my primary phone though. I suspect it would be the same case with the pixel fold. I couldn't spend a morning in tablet mode then make it through my day without charging.
I'm liking the dimensions of the pixel fold.
Hoping for a phone that can open up to become closer to a small laptop experience. I'd love a software keyboard that has a software touchpad built in. For those also looking for this, "touchpad for big phone & tab" app is the closest I've found.
I'd be interested in a pocketable multi fold tablet. No outer screen necessary.
Not many folds can last all day. The Fold 4 gets me 5-6 hours SOT which is similar to the Pixel Fold. The Pixel has a larger battery than the Fold4 which helps it claw back battery life.
Great comparison with real examples. Which do you prefer in terms of pocketability though?
Z Fold is probably a bit better, mostly because of the weight.
Great video!
Great video, lots of good information but what about the crease? Is it the same on both devices, more noticeable on one device and so on
Really similar
a taller screen allows more content in one screen. open the same apps on both phones and the fold 4 would show more content vertically
And it'll show less content horizontally lol. Depends totally on the app. Some apps Pixel has more content, some apps Z Fold does.
I completely agree with you Shane! I'm sitting on my pre-order waiting for the Pixel Fold to arrive. But while I do I've contstantly been having this nagging thought about the compromises just for that perfect aspect ratio.
A question I have for you is, what's your take on the OnePlus Open vs the Pixel Fold? I'm torn between the no compromise performance of the OnePlus with what is still a fairly conventional aspect ratio (matches the Pixel 7 exactly as far as I know) versus the much smaller Pixel Fold? Always been a small phone fan and will be moving from an S10e
For the algorithm. 🤙
Damn straight! 💪🏾
I prefer the tallness of the folds....its the same as me using my S21U.....so the Fold5 will be my next upgrade at launch
How is it the same? It's much more narrow. Both devices match the S21 Ultra pretty well on one axis and not the other.
I just checked that claim and the S21U is about a third wider than the Fold 4 and in fact closer to the Pixel Fold in that metric than it is to the Fold 4.
I would like to have an aspect ratio in between.
The Z Fold 4 is narrower than a normal smartphone, the Pixel Fold is wider than a normal smartphone.
iPhone 14 Pro: 19,5 : 9
Pixel Fold: 17,4 : 9 (+ wide hinge)
Galaxy Z Fold 4: 23,1 : 9 (+ narrow hinge)
I used the Pixel Fold and it's too wide for me. I find the width uncomfortable.
One Plus Fold might be your preference.
@@The_Brimada Could be. But even this foldable will not officially come to Germany (to me).
Fold 4 anytime. The outer screen is the strength of fold 4. Making it handy and battery saver when basic tasks needs to be done or checking the messages. Or emails.
To compose content, streaming, reviewing. There is a great inner screen.
I been saying this about the cover display long before pixel fold was even a thought
I wish I can build my own Frankenstein smart phone.
I would want these things in my new phone.
- The aspect ratio of the pixel fold and Microsoft Duo.
- Android desktop via USB C for my nexdock
- Snapdragon processors... Not tensor
I still like surface duo 2's two separate screens because they are more durable and I want them to last 5 years.
I might just buy s23 ultra and use that for 3-5 years until foldable phones come down in price and are more durable.
The Oneplus Fold will be in between these two in terms of aspect ratio. For me that will be the best. 20:9, 6.2 inch outer screen that is wide enough but also tall enough. Inside screen the same story although it will probably open apps in phone mode without rotating it or will only open apps in tablet mode as it will be wide enough both orientation.
I think the narrower screen of the Fold 4 works for folks that have big hands. Me and my wife are tall people. I'm 6'7 and she is 5'11. I can reach the top corners one-handed. She can almost reach the top corners. I agree that the cover display isn't the best for typing. I prefer to open the device to compose comments, emails and multiple messages.
i have the fold 4, its very easy to carry as even with small hands you can wrap your hands around it and feels like a regular medium size phone in the pocket, though i would prefer a wider cover display.
It's good to have options for different people
You should have included a comparison of both devices in landscape. You are making it look like people only use the Fold 4 in portrait mode.
I've answered this a hundred times already. Check the pinned comment. ruclips.net/video/yOG6deGvFCc/видео.html
Gaming will kill that battery so fast, and would it matter if you're opening 2 apps at the same time?
That's really all the difference is,phone orientation.. You have a fold, your balling! 🤣
Samsung has been at this for five variations and over this time I think they blew it with the screen size (aspect ratio). The Google Fold size is so much better.
Why is rotating them a problem? When open, foldables are tablets, not phones. So as a tablet you rotate them as you wish, just like you would an iPad. If Pixel doesn't display an app correctly in landscape - rotate it. Same with Samsung.
You decide if it's a problem
IMO It's not a problem that's the whole point of a tablet, and if it is a problem for some users I genuinely like to hear why? I find it really bizarre that review after review keep mentioning and comparing the two devices like the aspect ratio can't be rotated just because each device opens in a different default position, portrait vs. landscape. I own both devices and the pixel in portrait mode does not do a vertical side-by-side multi app display instead it only displays them horizontally. It would be great to see a review comparing both devices when they're in the same aspect ratio on what they're capable of in the same orientation.
@@wailashshowaf5942I completely agree. My friend just got Pixel Fold and even he says he likes the way the Samsung UI makes better use of the display real estate. Google is in bed with Samsung right now, they should bake some of Samsung's features into the Pixel UI.
With my Z Fold 4 I never use it in the tall format I have it rotated like the Pixel Fold position and I've done that since the Z Fold 2. No one uses it in the natural first open mode. So Google got it right.
Wouldn't you prefer a Pixel Fold with a front screen that is a little longer (like 1,5 to 2 cm longer)?
I assume you mean taller. Honestly, no. Not only would that just be adding height that I would struggle to reach, it would also make the inner display too square.
Yes, I meant taller. So a smartphone like the Vivo Fold 2 is not your thing (the hardware, not the software)?
I prefer smaller phones, but there are so few. The Vivo phones don't make matters worse with the entirely separate issue of being narrow though.
I am just hoping that the oppo find n 3 gets a worldwide release , as that phone is more in my price rang £1200 and has the same form as the pixel .
It will and it will be called the OnePlus Open lol
The OPPO Find N2 will not get a global release and it appears that OPPO are killing that design. The OPPO Find N3 will be a rebranded OnePlus Fold. Not sure you can expect $1200 as that seems impossible. I expect the OnePlus to be $1600 or more if sold in the US.
FYI rumours are a desktop mode will be part of Android 14. I assume when it is ready so maybe not at launch. Also, scaling API for phone apps so they can, going forward, simply scale from phone to tablet without too much work for devs.
So the takeaway is that the Pixel may not have all the bells and whistles on day one but do not be too prejudiced as I suspect with time it will get closer in software to the Galaxy Fold and still have the advantages of the AI/ML of Pixel apps like Translate, Dictaion, Recorder, etc.
I have an idea. By far not a fix as it will be slow, but potentially useful every now and then, or maybe just clunky. A gesture down in the right bottom where you hold your thumb for 0.5 seconds and it makes the bottom third or half into a trackpad area. You dont see a virtual trackpad you just see a circle you can move around from here, like a mouse... It might be a bit hard to control though...
I do hate my outer display on the fold 4. But there's so much Google need to improve on the fold, the chip, the software etc. Imma keep with Samsung for now but if they don't switch up next year imma start looking at pixel gen 2
The Pixel Fold is Already King of Foldables in my opinion if you care about Better Cameras, Clearer display somehow, and a Book set up with the inner Screen. Plus Android works better on a Google phone. That's all the main things that matter. Now Z Fold 5 will be King if you care about S Pen, Excessive Multitasking that your average customer won't use, and a inner display with no bezels. The Pixel Fold Flaws are only in the beginning. It for very hot day 1 but after that it adjust and doesn't get hot no more, the fold opens up all the way just a hair away from all the way but so does the Z Fold 4. Unless there are a few defective devices out but mines is Perfect. I had the Z Fold 2, Z Fold 3, & Z Fold 4 and taking photos on the Pixel Fold you instantly know it's a Superior Camera.
Some of these are hard personal opinions. Disagreed with a lot you said but agreed with some. Great video.
Reasonable comment. Thanks for watching.
You can rotate the fold 4 to compare the landscape tablet ratios. They seem to be almost the same size landscape. Otherwise fold 4 not rotated is phone mode...sorry if I sounded like an ass been a rough day
Pinned comment. A lot of people are taking out their rough day on me over this video I guess. Thanks for coming back and apologizing though.
There's just too much 'but' with the pixel fold. While apps would run like a big phone on Z fold 4 in portrait mode, users can just rotate it and you'll get the same 'tablet experience' as the pixel fold. Pixel fold on the other hand, has those black bars everytime and while you can rotate it in portait mode to take advantage of the full screen, you cannot take full advantage of the landscape screen unlike the fold 4. I also don't think that devs would prioritize optimizing their apps for the pixel fold coz it's a very niche market so the portait by default is an advange for the likes of samsung ,huawei and xiaomi foldables. And for an $1800 phone to be missing features that other oems already have (desktop interface, reverse wireless charging, etc.), i don't think it's a great buy considering that other foldables can be had for $1300-$1500. If only the cost is a little lower like $1300-1500, then the conversation would be different.
Don't have to optimize for Pixel Fold, just for tablets in general 😁
Aspect ratio and thickness / thinness are where the Pixel wins. Processor, battery and multitasking go to the Galaxy. The Pixel is a real letdown in my opinion. It looked so good. I had high hopes. Then I tried one and found all the issues. It is the better hand warmer though.
After using both devices I still think the ZFold4 is the better device even with all its flaws Google did a good job on its first foldable but we probably won't see something as polished as ZFold4 until the 2nd/3rd edition.
Yeah when I had the z-fold 4, I hated that front display. It's so unnatural. I was always having to unfold just to use the device.
It doesn't say you can use the top of the front screen on the Samsung. It's still screen real estate, just not touch friendly real estate.
I'm also not a fan of split screen of two apps.
Samsung has had over 3 years to develop their software to integrate all this.
Does the z fold 4 make you want to use it less with outer display being so narrow? I feel like it would be a great phone if you want to avoid getting distracted. When you want to dive into a video or an excel sheet you have that large inner display.
It is hard to do anything productive on the Fold 4 outer display, it is close to useless for typing. I suppose some nimble-fingered swipe keyboard users may be able to make it work, but it really is terrible for my usage; every other letter is wrong and auto-correct isn't great and dictation is weak versus the Pixel.
Gmail on the fold 4 just put the phone on landscape and you'll get your inbox on the left and the mail on the right
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Any thoughts on the JRE Pixel Fold durability test?
Not really. It survived being closed on debris, which was good and failed when a ton of force was applied. More force than will ever be applied in real life. At certain point it's like testing phone durability with a wood chipper lol.
Your reviews are great - appreciate your attention to detail and your attempts to remove bias when describing features comparatively.
Because Google is the godfather of Android (once they bought it anyways), I feel like we all WANT the Nexus and now Pixel devices to be better than they wind up actually being. I’m still convinced the Nexus 9 with the right chip was the absolute perfect tablet.
You mention at the end that the GF4 opened up is just a large phone screen, vs the PF, but by literally rotating 90 degrees, doesn’t it change apps into “tablet mode” if available?
Love the form factor on the PF, but the fact it is a first gen product, and most notably, a GOOGLE first gem product, I’m leaning towards the PF4.
Using the example of Gmail, when you rotate the ZF4 into landscape mode you do indeed get the same split screen as the PF
Yes, you can rotate the Z Fold to get the tablet layout. That's sort of missing my point though. When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps.
@@shanecraigtech I absolutely agree - and it makes some sense in terms of each company’s reasoning behind their decision. Google (as the software developer) designed their foldable for the best tablet experience - but did so in the hopes that app developers would take their lead and further optimize apps for the form factor.
Samsung on the other hand, may have chose portrait due to the reality that is the Android App marketplace - most apps are not tablet-ized, so going with portrait mode, while less “tablet-like”, gives the user the best LOOKING experience upon opening the phone.
@@shanecraigtech@scaryifliteral Fair enough - have to say that inwas tempted by the PF but I love my ZF4 too much, especially using the s pen on the inner screen. Love your content BTW, keep up the great work!
100%
How about the eco system, watch/bud/pen experience? I assume Samsung has some more purposeful interactions that might make it a greater eco system.
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Wow, and older device is just as fast as a brand new one thats more expensive..
Wow a sarcastic comment that adds nothing of value to the conversation lol. I have a secret to tell you. When it come to day to day tasks, things aren't really getting faster. The Fold 5 will be pretty much the same as the Fold 4 which was pretty similar to the Fold 3. Are you seeing a pattern?
@@shanecraigtech comment wasn't meant to be that way honestly. You kinda also demonstrated my point of an older an cheaper device is equal to, spec wise a newer device. The tech has reached a pinnacle in smart phones. Now we just have to see if the design catches up. Neither of these phones should cost as much as they do. I would also assume the fold five is going to only improve on the hinge, processer based on current leaks which may lead to a bit better battery life, but no real life changing speed and power. Even the great silicon of Apple which threads all on benchmarks offers no real life speed advantage.Anyway, great comparison break down. Again my apologies.
I wish your video was in 60 fps so i could see the animations smoothness
I really would like to be able to have 3 apps opened simultaneously. Is this something that Google could add in a software update in the future or would it need new hardware? There are bound to be improvements to this first generation device 🤞🏻
Google could absolutely add this later
I'm sure they can add it but I'm not too sure that the G2 would run it as well as the Qualcomm chips can. AlsoI think Google may make choices to negate the thermal issues of their chips too.
It absolutely would. You can sort of force it with a dev option setting. It could handle 3 or 4 apps fine.
@@shanecraigtech Like I said, it will work but not as smoothly as the Fold 4 would. The G2 is great at everyday tasks but will suffer under heavy load. It was one of the reasons I returned my 7 Pro.
So, you can enable freeform windows on the Pixel and launch like 4 apps all together though. It's every bit as smooth as the Z Fold 4. You'd have to launch multiple games or something really taxing to see the difference.
At 4:31 in the video for split screen you'd just rate the fold 4
Assuming you mean rotate, ruclips.net/video/yOG6deGvFCc/видео.html
Just a remark on the menu on the Samsung Fold4. If you touch and hold it, it will disappear. If you do it again it will reappear.
I prefer to leave it. I actually turned off that gesture because I was doing it on accident.. because there are no bezels lol.
I like the z fold 4 more with the reverse wireless charging and not to forget currently 😅 the z fold 4 Amazon eBay is cheap
I think if the front screen is too good, you'll use it more than the foldable display which is the main selling point. For that reason, I think Fold 4 is better as you're actually getting your moneys worth using the foldable screen 80% of the time. What is it for the pixel? 50/50 or hopefully not less
You seem to be arguing that having a cover display that isn't useful for many things is preferable to having one that is. This is hard for me to understand. To me, having two displays which are both very good, well suited for different tasks is pretty much the entire point of a foldable. It's two great devices in one. That seems obviously preferable over one great device and a mediocre cover display, right?
That argument is poor. When paying $1800 there is no excuse for a poor front display and defending the indefensible is flawed logic. I expect a great front and inner display for $1800 and I will decide how much I use each display, not be forced by Samsung because their front display is a design abomination! Samsung has got it wrong and apparently, they know this and will correct it with the Fold 6.
@@shanecraigtech I upgraded to Fold 4 from the Surface Duo 1 which had amazing thinness probably because it had no front screen. I actually was hoping samsung could find a way to make it that thin even if it means sacrificing the front display. But it being narrow helps make the thickness more handleable, just wished it was more thinner. I think front screens should be kind of like the foldable Flip phones more focus on previewing/checking things. Not used for productivity. I haven't tried the Pixel Fold so maybe I will flip pun intended but for now, I think Samsung should focus more on making device thinner and lighter and think that means sacrificing the front display. As these devices are way too thick. Surface Duo 1 was the prefect thinness.
Of course in a world without physics having both would be great, but 2 screens are just going thicker than 1 and the more narrow a device is, the better grip and handle one usually can achieve to accommodate the larger thickness. Like the way I handle the fold 4, imagining it being wider thus heavier will add more cumbersomeness to an already not ideal experience. I'll have to play with the Pixel Fold to see it but right now the Fold 4 seems too thick and bulky and it being wider thus heavier seems like you're going in the wrong direction personally.
Jist tirn the fold into the same aspect ratio as the fold and you will get split screen gmail!
Pinned comment.
I have a z fold 4 I got mine just before the pixel fold came out but I got the fold 4 as it's not a first gen foldable by the company
Pixel fold is looking great but I'm still high on hopium for a duo 3....
I completely agree with you. Z-Fold is still the King!!
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I ended up sticking with the fold 4. I do like the candy bar form factor of the fold 4 more. It makes it easier to hold one handed. I also used goodlock to make keyboard bigger. I also like the fold 4 inner screen orientation as well. The default landscape orientation of the opened pixel is harder to old one handed than the fold 4 as well.
One ui is also just better on a foldable. I want to like the pixel fold more because google is my main ecosystem, I just don't think it's there yet.
Well maybe if you would rotate both phones in the same orientation then start comparing them.
Why you guys absolutely REFUSE to read the 200 times I've already addressed this or at least the pinned comment is beyond me. ruclips.net/video/yOG6deGvFCc/видео.html
you can swipe down on the app to bring the app down as one hand mode
I know. Requiring software to use the entire screen is indicative of bad design.
Samsung is definitely more refined they just need to change the weird aspect ratio. Pixel us a bit too small. A s23 ultra size aspect ratio would be perfect.
Entire world saying the same thing about the z fold's narrow front screen..
Samsung 5th gen, still with a narrow tall screen....
Definitely not the entire world, gotten enough comments calling me an idiot in the last couple days for a lifetime 😭😂
Well, surface duo users always need to open the phone to use it... 😂
Even after the Z Fold 5 comes out, the Pixel Fold will still be the winner in my eyes. Because of the aspect ratios alone. The ultimate proof of this would be if samsung changes their design eventually to match.
It doesn't seem like Fold 5 is going to change much about this video. Honestly, I hope they don't change. Give people both options.
@@shanecraigtech I was more talking further down the line, maybe a couple years or so. That is a good point though.
If you have a Z Fold 3 like me, is the Pixel Fold the winner? Because the outside screen on mine is even more narrow than the 4
For me? Yeah. Can't really speak to which device fits another person best.
@@shanecraigtech seems like my heart is saying pixel. I've always loved their devices and still have my 4XL as a backup phone lol