The irony being that Lorgar doesn’t see the truth of it. Angron WANTS to die, he hates his legion and the Emperor; who suffers more from losing their primarch? The Wolves do, and Angron knew it
Exactly. Angron cared nothing for the crusade or even the heresy later and hated every moment of being part of it all. If you ask me; part of the reason Angron dropped down to Istvaan III was because he was hoping Horus would go 'fuck it' and virus bomb the planet with him on it. Angron was already dead but he'd be damned if he wasn't going to die without an axe in his hand. That's all that mattered.
He was always a scholar, and not the smartest primarch but one of the smartest, yet he was blinded by his faith which I blame his upbringing on a planet of zealots.
@@xhellraiserx1985always liked how he’s like oh Emperor I found something else to worship that actually let me worship even though it’s going to drag humanity into the abyss and hell back but I’ll take that chance cause I’m free to worship.
@xhellraiserx1985 His faith is what made him so smart, it allowed him to see the truth of the galaxy, "Do not turn away from the truth because it scares you"
Yeah, i noticed that too. It's the classic "won the battle but lost the war" thing, as noble as his actions may have seemed he probably would've not only died in vain but the high riders would had laughed and make an example of him only to continue the cicle of slavery creating more broken monsters like Angron.
The point of the rebellion was never to actually win or take control of the planet or gain anything. The point was to enact thier revenge and die free. That's all the slaves ever wanted; including Angron. Angron is the walking, talking embodiment of 'no slave should die of natural causes'. Which is also what makes his ascention to daemonhood either the ultimate release or the ultimate slavery depending on how you look at it.
The point of the slaves rebellion was never to win or to take control over the planet or to actually gain anything. The point was to fight and enact vengence and to die free. That's all the slaves ever wanted; including Angron. They knew they were broken. They knew they would never live normal lives even if they had somehow took over. They all knew they were forever going to be bound by the Butcher's Nails and that death was their only release. The point of it all was that 'no slave should die of natural causes'. Nothing elss mattered.
The point of Angron's slave rebellion was never to win or to take over or actually gain anything. The point was to enact their revenge and to die free. That's all the slaves wanted; including Angron. All of them knew there was no going back. They knew they were beyond any form of normal life; even if they did somehow take over. They knew they were forever bound by the Butcher's Nails and that death was their only release. Nothing else mattered.
Some truth to that I suppose. Though I think his slave rebellion was just doomed because his warriors lacked the education to utilize the territory they captured.
To be fair, he pretty much always does things that are wise (with a few exceptions like fighting Corvus Corax even though Chaos Gods told him NOT to do that). If we really think about it, he is the only one out of all the Primarchs who has actually achieved the vast majority of his goals during the Horus Heresy. And he's doing pretty solid in 40k too. His Legion is one of the few that actually retained it's discipline, structure and coherence. He probably has the second most powerful Chaos force in the Galaxy right after Abaddon with his Black Legion (where most of the Chaos Astartes go). And he's continuing his work, slowly converting more and more planets to the worship of the Four for nearly 10000 years now. Lorgar is extremely wise. And he's winning.
@@MrRawrCEO Well, I mean, being harassed by an angry crow man is pretty minor compared to the damage he inflicted upon the galaxy since the Great Crusade, let's be honest.
@@MrRawrCEOIt's just a meme. A lot of Word Bearers preach close to tower where Lorgar is meditating. Corax among WB is more like spooky story that you tell in camp with your friends. He exists as a myth, but they don't give a c$%p.
1.) Ayo, Rufus from them funny videos I like! 2.) Ayo, he likes 40K! 3.) While I’m used to the Black Library renditions of the primarchs and my expectations for the way they carry themselves through their voices is influenced by that, I do like this more subdued take, whether it was intentional or not. Black Library tends to have the primarchs, especially the traitors, be virtually Shakespearean in their voices, which only occasionally drops to a more grounded tone. I think it works for Lorgar here more than Angron. Perhaps dropping the face of the preacher for a few moments while seriously confronting his brother. So yeah. Would love to see more of these from you. Full blown primarch excerpts are surprisingly rare on RUclips. Maybe Fulgrim, Corax, or Alpharius perhaps?
Listening to this really makes me wish Lorgar didn’t go traitor. His insights into the emperor’s will is really cool. Too bad he took it all religiously
It really does break the heart some times. Lorgar was so good at understanding his brothers. The only time this failed was with Roboute and he realized to late because he was blinded by pain. If only Erebus and Kor Phaeron weren't there to poison his mind. If only Emps wasn't such a colossal asshole to him.
It is shame he did not allow Angron to die..but such is the nature of true love, you never wish your close one perish, when there is even slightest chance for saving them
ohhh for the live of the chaos gods just hug each other! But noooo!!!!! But i do Like and love Lorgar for this moment. Ohh yes we all love it cause he is far more sinister than most give him credit for.
Bruh, Russ could have killed him at any time in their fight. It wouldn't have been easy, but Russ had dozens of chances to kill Angron. And yeah the World Eaters surrounded the Space Wolves, but Russ like any primarch in that scenario would have just fought his way out with only mild difficulty. Without their Primarch the World Eaters would have been annihilated. Not a clean win mind you, but Russ won the fight just by showing up.
@@lucasshuyler8696nah,russ was getting owned by angron,until the wolves surrounded them. But even then it didn't matter because russ's whole thing was trying to show how the nails damaged the world eaters not realizing that angron could not care less and actually laughed in his face,making that an L for russ too,,, so in all,angron pretty much came out on top,because he did not cede to russ,the world-eaters went on,and the point russ wanted to make was meaningless
@omegamark9178 OK clearly you're lacking comprehension of the lesson. Plus, seriously dude Angron couldn't Ever beat Russ in a straight duel. Outside of this scenario alone we've seen Russ go toe to toe with Magnus, Lion, and Horus. He beat Horus but hesitated at the last second(Book is Wolfsbane), he beat Magnus tho barely, and then he only lost to Lion because he laughed at how stupid their reason to fight was letting Lion sucker punch him. Meanwhile Angron during the heresy only ever really fought Guiliman, and yes he was winning but BARELY. Robute was Actually able to hold back Angron way damn longer than he should have. Seriously if Guiliman can give Angron trouble then he's nowhere near able to even fight Russ seriously. Russ never wanted to kill Angron, the Wolves had him surrounded, and worse of all Lorgar literally told Angron he lost twice that day. Russ proved not only that Angron could've died multiple times due to his crazed nature, but that also the World Eaters never gave a shit about him. At least not enough to try and save his dumbass.
@@lucasshuyler8696 funny you bring up magnus,because of many factors like magnus nerfing the TS response to the wolves arrival,magnus not being into the fight until he had enough,not to mention the big e's anti-psyker cheat codes the sisters of silence and custodes,otherwise it would have been game over for the leman and the wolves almost immediately Gulliman is the primarch of the ultramarines who have THE plot armor in 40k,so of course bobby g's is gonna be magnified x50,,,lol seriously though gulliman is very underrated as a duelist,but ya know who ain't? The Lion. Yeah russ put up a good fight but if the lion really wanted it,russ would have been kiboshed! Seriously he is one of the few who actually beat kurze and about the only one who could possibly beat sanguinius in a duel. And just my opinion but was horus was maybe a tad overrated,just sayin,,, oh and as for lorgar? yeah there is a guy ya wanna take advice from lol
@omegamark9178 Alright then, let's break this down. Guiliman is underrated, I agree. Plot armor aside That Still Proves Angron Ain't Shit. The Lion is an Equal/Opposite to Russ as they both share very similar skill sets, unlike the Lion. However, Russ is a psyker. Yes, he hates using his powers, but he still did like on Propspero to nullify certain skills and abilities such as the Lion's senses. With Magnus, Leman would have still won their duel regardless of the Custodes or Sisters or even their legions' involvement. Yes, Magnus weakened the response to the Space Wolves, but do note that the forces Russ arrived with were never meant to kill him. His original orders were to take him in. Regardless, Russ' own psyker abilities are seemingly themed to nullify Primarch/Psyker abilities as seen across the Burning of Prospero should he have used them more, it's likely Magnus would have stood no chance anyways. Finally, just because Horus is indeed overrated doesn't mean he's any less powerful. Russ beat a Chaos ascended Horus 1v1, knowing that his sheer skill and, more importantly, the Spear would take him out faster than Horus could. He's faster, stronger, smarter, and far more durable than Angron ever was or would be. Hell, Russ would just feel sorry for him because there's little glory in putting a sick animal out of its misery.
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The irony being that Lorgar doesn’t see the truth of it. Angron WANTS to die, he hates his legion and the Emperor; who suffers more from losing their primarch? The Wolves do, and Angron knew it
Too many cooks
They should all have agreed but having 3 different interpretation of the same story is infuriating when they are so different
bang on
Its an interesting point of view... Never thought of it and makes A LOT of sense
Exactly. Angron cared nothing for the crusade or even the heresy later and hated every moment of being part of it all.
If you ask me; part of the reason Angron dropped down to Istvaan III was because he was hoping Horus would go 'fuck it' and virus bomb the planet with him on it.
Angron was already dead but he'd be damned if he wasn't going to die without an axe in his hand. That's all that mattered.
Yea makes sense
Ah yes Lorgar talking is poetry at it’s fullest.
He was always a scholar, and not the smartest primarch but one of the smartest, yet he was blinded by his faith which I blame his upbringing on a planet of zealots.
@@xhellraiserx1985always liked how he’s like oh Emperor I found something else to worship that actually let me worship even though it’s going to drag humanity into the abyss and hell back but I’ll take that chance cause I’m free to worship.
@@warrenweaver6664Chaos is not only the Negative they are 2 sides of 1 coin and only Few to wich Lorgar belongs see that
@xhellraiserx1985 His faith is what made him so smart, it allowed him to see the truth of the galaxy, "Do not turn away from the truth because it scares you"
Lorgar:...How...How the FUCK did you not understand what he was trying to show you?
Angron: I have nails in my Shitting BRAIN, that's HOW!
It shows why Angron's slave rebellion failed. They had no tactical understanding, most likely they just killed and killed while losing the objective.
Yeah, i noticed that too. It's the classic "won the battle but lost the war" thing, as noble as his actions may have seemed he probably would've not only died in vain but the high riders would had laughed and make an example of him only to continue the cicle of slavery creating more broken monsters like Angron.
The point of the rebellion was never to actually win or take control of the planet or gain anything.
The point was to enact thier revenge and die free. That's all the slaves ever wanted; including Angron.
Angron is the walking, talking embodiment of 'no slave should die of natural causes'.
Which is also what makes his ascention to daemonhood either the ultimate release or the ultimate slavery depending on how you look at it.
The point of the slaves rebellion was never to win or to take control over the planet or to actually gain anything.
The point was to fight and enact vengence and to die free.
That's all the slaves ever wanted; including Angron.
They knew they were broken. They knew they would never live normal lives even if they had somehow took over. They all knew they were forever going to be bound by the Butcher's Nails and that death was their only release.
The point of it all was that 'no slave should die of natural causes'.
Nothing elss mattered.
The point of Angron's slave rebellion was never to win or to take over or actually gain anything.
The point was to enact their revenge and to die free. That's all the slaves wanted; including Angron.
All of them knew there was no going back. They knew they were beyond any form of normal life; even if they did somehow take over. They knew they were forever bound by the Butcher's Nails and that death was their only release.
Nothing else mattered.
Some truth to that I suppose.
Though I think his slave rebellion was just doomed because his warriors lacked the education to utilize the territory they captured.
I really like the voice actor playing Lorgar
it's the same guy doing both!
I realised this recently! Absolute talent
Sometimes Lorgar, despite his incredible harm to the vast majority of all living things through his allegiance to Chaos, does say some wise things.
To be fair, he pretty much always does things that are wise (with a few exceptions like fighting Corvus Corax even though Chaos Gods told him NOT to do that).
If we really think about it, he is the only one out of all the Primarchs who has actually achieved the vast majority of his goals during the Horus Heresy. And he's doing pretty solid in 40k too. His Legion is one of the few that actually retained it's discipline, structure and coherence. He probably has the second most powerful Chaos force in the Galaxy right after Abaddon with his Black Legion (where most of the Chaos Astartes go). And he's continuing his work, slowly converting more and more planets to the worship of the Four for nearly 10000 years now.
Lorgar is extremely wise. And he's winning.
@@cantfindawayout "And he's winning"
Plus or minus the angry bird man harassing him.
@@MrRawrCEO Well, I mean, being harassed by an angry crow man is pretty minor compared to the damage he inflicted upon the galaxy since the Great Crusade, let's be honest.
@@MrRawrCEOIt's just a meme. A lot of Word Bearers preach close to tower where Lorgar is meditating. Corax among WB is more like spooky story that you tell in camp with your friends. He exists as a myth, but they don't give a c$%p.
@@MrRawrCEOmister Birdshit for Brains is to weak at this point to beat Lorgar
Watch out, Khagan. A new Roast-Master has entered the ring
Lorgar: Gods grant me patience my brother is an idiot
I feel like people are really hating on Angron for a lack of tactical knowledge, he doesn't care. He just wants to die and be free from the nails.
1.) Ayo, Rufus from them funny videos I like!
2.) Ayo, he likes 40K!
3.) While I’m used to the Black Library renditions of the primarchs and my expectations for the way they carry themselves through their voices is influenced by that, I do like this more subdued take, whether it was intentional or not. Black Library tends to have the primarchs, especially the traitors, be virtually Shakespearean in their voices, which only occasionally drops to a more grounded tone. I think it works for Lorgar here more than Angron. Perhaps dropping the face of the preacher for a few moments while seriously confronting his brother.
So yeah. Would love to see more of these from you. Full blown primarch excerpts are surprisingly rare on RUclips. Maybe Fulgrim, Corax, or Alpharius perhaps?
Fulgrim's in the docket for sure
Listening to this really makes me wish Lorgar didn’t go traitor. His insights into the emperor’s will is really cool. Too bad he took it all religiously
It really does break the heart some times. Lorgar was so good at understanding his brothers. The only time this failed was with Roboute and he realized to late because he was blinded by pain.
If only Erebus and Kor Phaeron weren't there to poison his mind. If only Emps wasn't such a colossal asshole to him.
Everything needs a little bit of religion it’s comforting
Beautifully narrated.
It is shame he did not allow Angron to die..but such is the nature of true love, you never wish your close one perish, when there is even slightest chance for saving them
I think you meant to say blind love. To selfishly cling to what you want for someone, rather than what they need.
ohhh for the live of the chaos gods just hug each other! But noooo!!!!!
But i do Like and love Lorgar for this moment. Ohh yes we all love it cause he is far more sinister than most give him credit for.
Great work didn't know angron and lorgar talk of this
Angron here feels like Stella from Helluvaboss
Impulsive, childishly petty, incapable of self-reflection and utterly useless unless guided by someone else.
Yup, they certainly have a lot in common.
how would you describe the voice of lorgar? it sounds really good
angron beat Russ, the wolves surrounded Angron, World eaters surrounded the space wolves
Bruh, Russ could have killed him at any time in their fight. It wouldn't have been easy, but Russ had dozens of chances to kill Angron. And yeah the World Eaters surrounded the Space Wolves, but Russ like any primarch in that scenario would have just fought his way out with only mild difficulty. Without their Primarch the World Eaters would have been annihilated. Not a clean win mind you, but Russ won the fight just by showing up.
@@lucasshuyler8696nah,russ was getting owned by angron,until the wolves surrounded them.
But even then it didn't matter because russ's whole thing was trying to show how the nails damaged the world eaters not realizing that angron could not care less and actually laughed in his face,making that an L for russ too,,,
so in all,angron pretty much came out on top,because he did not cede to russ,the world-eaters went on,and the point russ wanted to make was meaningless
@omegamark9178 OK clearly you're lacking comprehension of the lesson. Plus, seriously dude Angron couldn't Ever beat Russ in a straight duel.
Outside of this scenario alone we've seen Russ go toe to toe with Magnus, Lion, and Horus. He beat Horus but hesitated at the last second(Book is Wolfsbane), he beat Magnus tho barely, and then he only lost to Lion because he laughed at how stupid their reason to fight was letting Lion sucker punch him.
Meanwhile Angron during the heresy only ever really fought Guiliman, and yes he was winning but BARELY. Robute was Actually able to hold back Angron way damn longer than he should have. Seriously if Guiliman can give Angron trouble then he's nowhere near able to even fight Russ seriously. Russ never wanted to kill Angron, the Wolves had him surrounded, and worse of all Lorgar literally told Angron he lost twice that day. Russ proved not only that Angron could've died multiple times due to his crazed nature, but that also the World Eaters never gave a shit about him. At least not enough to try and save his dumbass.
@@lucasshuyler8696 funny you bring up magnus,because of many factors like magnus nerfing the TS response to the wolves arrival,magnus not being into the fight until he had enough,not to mention the big e's anti-psyker cheat codes the sisters of silence and custodes,otherwise it would have been game over for the leman and the wolves almost immediately
Gulliman is the primarch of the ultramarines who have THE plot armor in 40k,so of course bobby g's is gonna be magnified x50,,,lol
seriously though gulliman is very underrated as a duelist,but ya know who ain't?
The Lion. Yeah russ put up a good fight but if the lion really wanted it,russ would have been kiboshed!
Seriously he is one of the few who actually beat kurze and about the only one who could possibly beat sanguinius in a duel.
And just my opinion but was horus was maybe a tad overrated,just sayin,,,
oh and as for lorgar?
yeah there is a guy ya wanna take advice from lol
@omegamark9178 Alright then, let's break this down. Guiliman is underrated, I agree. Plot armor aside That Still Proves Angron Ain't Shit.
The Lion is an Equal/Opposite to Russ as they both share very similar skill sets, unlike the Lion. However, Russ is a psyker. Yes, he hates using his powers, but he still did like on Propspero to nullify certain skills and abilities such as the Lion's senses.
With Magnus, Leman would have still won their duel regardless of the Custodes or Sisters or even their legions' involvement. Yes, Magnus weakened the response to the Space Wolves, but do note that the forces Russ arrived with were never meant to kill him. His original orders were to take him in. Regardless, Russ' own psyker abilities are seemingly themed to nullify Primarch/Psyker abilities as seen across the Burning of Prospero should he have used them more, it's likely Magnus would have stood no chance anyways.
Finally, just because Horus is indeed overrated doesn't mean he's any less powerful. Russ beat a Chaos ascended Horus 1v1, knowing that his sheer skill and, more importantly, the Spear would take him out faster than Horus could.
He's faster, stronger, smarter, and far more durable than Angron ever was or would be. Hell, Russ would just feel sorry for him because there's little glory in putting a sick animal out of its misery.
Better watch that mouth Lorgar, you're the weakest of the primarchs.
A good lesson, but russ is not a very good teacher.
Angron is a even worse student if I was honest.