The issue with that is Nuceria was going under Imperial Compliance without bloodshed. If Big E sided with Angron, he would open up Nuceria as an active front in the Great Crusade and would need serious pacification. That would be a diplomatic disaster, especially if the goal is to try and persuade Human planets to join on their own.
The Emperor's lack of true understanding of human nature was his undoing. He loves what he doesn't understand and that's how so many fathers destroyed their own children despite loving them.
@@TheCommissarGeneral That doesn't even make any lick of sense because the Emperor didn't give much of a shit how they were brought into compliance, he especially doesn't care if he has to murder worlds to do so and has already been doing that. That's what the World eater's do *already* . Saving a bunch of gladiators would've only taken him a few days out out of his schedule at absolute most and would've secured the loyalty of a Primark worth more than the fleet or even the legion sent to rescue him. If Angron wasn't worth that much wtf did he bother making him or even rescuing him for. Steamrolling the world wouldn't have been difficult in the slightest and the imperium already has a standing policy of submit or die anyways
Only reason fall of prospero was tragic was because it all could've been avoided if magnus wasn't an ego driven liar who led his sons down a path of damnation. Magnus single handedly ruined the imperium.
@@starcow17 he was wallowing in self pity. he might have been able to fight the wolves back. MAYBE IF HE WOULD HAVE JUST GROWN A PAIR AND EITHER SAID "I GIVE UP, TAKE ME TO THE EMPEROR" INSTEAD OF DOING NOTHING. If he didn't want to give up, the coordinating of his legion would have been way better to defend Prospero instead of bending over for Russ to brutally go at. Magnus killed his legion, his civilian populous, his ego all because of his own self pity and hate for making a mistake.
the terror everyone in that throne felt when the sheer titan of a man, clad in bronze and the subject of what amounts to an entire planet's Boogeyman, gave the order for their absolute annihilation and the extermination of their world must of been so strong that even Kurze would of been in envy of it all. it's quite amazing to know what Angron was meant to be and how he actually turned out. you can say this about nearly any of the primarchs who had legit grievances and reasons for turning traitor but, in my opinion at least, none were as robbed as Angron.
I feel for angron and perty the most. Angron literally could not be anything but an asshole without immeasurable suffering, and no one ever listened to or tried to work with perturabo, never gave him the credit deserved, and never even treated him like a person at all. Neither of these men deserved what they got, and perhaps could’ve gone on to be some of the greatest beings to ever grace the galaxy if they had not been so thoroughly screwed over.
@@blacksabbath5300 given what they went on to do then both men absolutely deserved what they got, difficult circumstances and suffering are no excuse for evil and because of this they never could have been the greatest beings to grace the galaxy, merely the greatest failures.
@@thescarletpumpernel3305 angron literally was going to be the empath and healer of the primarchs. Likely just as if not more kind than vulkan. It he wasn’t afflicted with a device that was slowly degrading his incompatible mind, which amplified his rage and made him endure unbearable suffering for every moment he wasn’t enraged, he might’ve ended up even being the only non-racist human being in warhammer 40k. I know he did some horrible things but he had it worse than “a tragic upbringing”. Those can be gotten over and worked through, his past was quite literally nailed into his brain at all times. And in those couple moments when his butcher’s nails were removed, he gained clarity and clearly showed the real him was not the butcher. As for perturabo, it’s harder to make a case for him I will admit. But hear me out, this mother fucker was the only one who could even come close much less match rogal in siege warfare. He did more than his fair share of work for the imperium, but no one ever gave the man credit. Basically everyone hated him with few acceptions, he was always treated like an outcast and yes he may have been fairly brutal but he could’ve learned so much if someone sat down and had a talk with him rather than blindly berating him. Imagine what would’ve happened if rogal, rather than basically telling him to fuck off and challenging him, told him he needed an equal to help him build his dream fortress. That shit would be unbreakable, perty probably would’ve stayed loyal now that he’d been shown appreciation, and if he did the traitors would’ve gotten absolutely fucking nowhere. He hard carried the heresy, making all the strategic plans, he was the only reason Horus ever touched terra much less it’s solar system. And even still he got no credit. Fulgrim tried to fucking kill him and literally wounded his soul. Horus hardly ever gave him orders in person and usually sent henchmen to do so. But he still kept it going. And when they got to terra, he proved that he really did not give a fuck about chaos. He cracked that fortress then said “see ya bitches” and left the traitors to get fucked. He is (I believe) the only traitor primarch left who has not become a demon prince. He betrayed the imperium for much better reasons than almost any of the other traitors, and didn’t really care about chaos. He wasn’t straight up evil about it, he was just sick of the emperor and his brother’s bullshit. Hell, he hasn’t even really shown up to fuck over the loyalists much for a long time now. If you can’t personally except that they were some of the greatest primarchs, then I ask you at least give them credit as the best traitor primarchs.
@thescarletpumpernel3305 the emperor fucked over angron far more than any of the primarchs. He watched for a period of time from orbit as angron led his rebel slave army and didn't help him. Instead of shafting him because angron refused his offer to lead a legion, choosing instead to die with his slave brethren, he could have sent one single squad to custodes or even some of his own astartes to help him and his army. That one thing would have cemented angrons respect for the emperor but he chose one planet's subserviency to the imperium over one of his sons. If anything the emperor should have been proud that angron had thr strength of will to refuse him, despite the butchers nails fucking up his mind, but he got pissed off instead and thought 'I'll make an example out of you, boy' and pretty much kidnapped him, forcing him to know his slave army would be killed. The emperor caused angron to be what he would become. The emperor is a bellend
While I think some people have the idea that Angron’s voice should be low and rumbling, there’s one detail that Jonathan Keeble mentions in this passage (2:05) that I think he capitalizes on: Angron is so heavily scarred he has no lips. Not being able to physically hold the spit in your mouth explains Keeble’s gurgling, off-kilter vocalization. Not to mention how Angron’s constant battle cries and screams has probably run his voice hoarse. It’s shockingly humanizing, showing how unending battle has affected Angron to such an extent that even his voice is not unscathed. Keeble really outdoes himself with every primarch.
I love the fact that Angron just strolls into the throne room. It emphasises that he has complete power over the situation. Everything was entirely within his control He could just walk away, he could just finally leave it all in the past. He could see these primitive Barbarian high riders as beneath his concern. But he cannot resist the urge to take his revenge.
They destroyed one of the great works of humanity their destruction was far from overdue to be put to the sword. They ruined something more important than 2 score black stone fortresses and expected mercy lol
Yes,but more importantly the big E should just let him die with his family if Big E love him as his son . Or the big E could spend more resources and effort to rescue his family if he is that important to his plan. But now the halfway solution is a down fall to The Big E ‘s plan . The Big E has the full control but he is not doing it right, therefore this mess is on Big E not on Angron .
Also, just LETTING people get away with atrocity is how you get more atrocity. Angron was *due* his vengeance. Not *just* for him, but for every horrific thing these people had done. Far too often, in fiction and without, actions don't have consequences. Monstrous actions most of all. If, one of the rare times they did, it had to come from the towering monument to Nuceria's sins, so be it. From the conquering nation-state down to the schoolyard bully: sometimes you make an atrocity bigger even than yourself, and you *get what you deserve* .
I love the reading, but I think Angron is universally given a deep rumbling voice. This higher pitched one would be perfect Goge Vandire, a senile old man in the depths of madness and depravity though. Regardless, I felt the fear of everyone in the room. The panicked voices were spot on. I was held in suspense even though I was rooting for Angron's vengeance until the heresy. I was thinking "God, just show a bit of mercy. Let SOMEONE go." And his declaration at the end, I felt the pit of my stomach drop just as they would. Every time Angron enters a room I feel uneasy. Actors like you really bring 40k to life.
Other Primarchs may have fallen on some bad worlds and had raw deals but none like Angron. He was genetically made to be an empath and was forced to be basically the opposite. Can I imagine having these emotions, abilities and this purpose written into you on a genetic level and have your brain carved up ( he literally is missing parts of his brain) and having a machine beaten into your head that spikes pain into your nervous system unless you hurt and kill constantly. These actions basically being the complete bane of your genetic coding. It would be like having your mind and soul torn apart every waking second of your life. Not to mention the sheer amount of actual physical pain. Imagine a constant tooth ache that flares constantly in your brain. I imagine that's somewhat how it would feel.
No. None of that is what is Angrons tragedy. Its that he was too weak to stop it. Others had equally bad raw deals. The Lion landed on a world of monsters and lived early life in isolation. Angrons curse is that he was weak. That is why the Emperor didnt step in to save his failed revolt. It was a complete and utter failure not befitting a Primarch.
@@arthurdaffos1490 And then the pain return as Khorne reforged the red angel again to fight for him , there is no escape for him ,there is blood ,guts and skulls that can stop the pain
@@TheCommissarGeneral Maybe not your intention but I don't think its all that bad. Imagine if you will, Angron holding the last of the Thalkyr by the head, and not even waiting to finish his sentence, squeezes and crushes the head of the young boy with the last words he would ever hear being "...then...kill everyone on this wo-" *CRUNCH*
Loyalist clones of perturabo and angron raised on terra would have been the greatest beings in the galaxy in terms of sheer achievement and would have been very close friends
The most tragic part about Angron is that I don't think aiding the rebellion would have enamoured Angron to the Emperor. Angron was a person whose entire life had been dictated by the wishes of others. That day on Desh'elika Ridge was the first time he had been given a choice. A true choice free of anyone else's influence. And he chose a final last stand against oppression. Whatever methods he had chosen, in saving Angron the Emperor would have taken that choice away from him. I genuinely think the only thing the Emperor could have done to earn Angron's loyalty is to respect his decision and allow him to die the death he had chosen for himself.
Elsewhere in the book Angron says as much to Russ. He basically claims that if he was able to he'd fight against the Emperor's fascist slave-taking Imperium
If Gman found Angron first, they could have been the best duo of the primarchs, the chain breaker and the builder. Abolishing slavery and dragging worlds to greatness whatever they want to or not. But that would be too noble bright.
The fact angron was meant to be the heart and soul of the imperium just breaks me, All the corpse emperor had to do was unleash angrons son to defeat the high riders and angron would of walked a different past still damaged by the nails but different. Instead the corpse emp just tore away angrons heart and force him into another gladitor pit...
To be fair the Emperor planned to have the Primarchs rule for millennia at his side, after inspecting him, he knew Angron wouldn’t last more than three centuries tops and he didn’t have the ability to fix the damage, at that point Angron went from a scalpel worth preserving to a hammer that still had some use but wasn’t worth the lives of an already compliant world, and he already had a backup Primarch for this exact possibility already in play The Emperor made two of every Primarch, like Perturabo and Dorn, so if one fell in battle or was otherwise removed from play his overarching plans wouldn’t be disrupted As we see in Betrayer, Angron was on the verge of death, so he basically only lasted about a century and a half after his discovery, there was no path the Emperor could’ve taken that would’ve saved Angron from a grizzly fate, and so he chose not to bother
Imagine your standing infront of a 8-10ft berserker, wearing gladiator style power armor who is couple hunderd years old. And you insult him to his face how would think it would end
I love this whinier dipiction of Angron, I feel it portrays the pure emotion in this scene much better, the almost childish natire of his tantrum really serves portray just how damaged a person he really is.
I think one of the most awesome things that can happen is the saving of Angron. If the emperor can do this, bring him back to the fold, he will have proven he can accomplish anything.
@@sgtmech He didn’t write a sequel because not every story is meant to have a happy ending. The fact that you want Angron to be redeemed is the whole reason he never should be. That feeling it gives you is literally the point, delivering on it isn’t. It’s a tragedy.
But according to Malcador he always wanted some of them to rebel, it was the plan to cull them after the great crusade when they were no longer needed, just like the Thunder Warriors
Dude he had parts of his brain ripped out. The only reason space marines or Angron can stand the pain is their superhuman pain. They did choose chaos but the butchers nails are absolutely as bad as the name applies
That voice must have been absolute *murder* on you, good god. It fits, in a way. Everything about Angron is broken: everything is tragedy. The one who would likely have been the kindest among the Primarchs, who might have filled a role none of the rest of them could, reduced in all ways to a shell of what he could have been. A completely broken voice is just one more piece of it. As to Nuceria? Even in all that tragedy, there is a certain satisfaction to actions having *consequences* .
Angron is by FAR my favorite primarch. Most people who think of him don’t know how unbelievably strong he actually is. He is not the embodiment of control of martial prowess, he is a behemoth of rage incarnate. The greatest of the daemon princes. The strongest bloodthirster. Lifting wise he able to hold up a titan while his broken cracked under its weight. Millions of pounds of pressure. He is quite literally the strongest of the primarchs. The only reason he is held back is because he has no need to block attacks only kill maim and murder, no fear, no regret, absolutely ZERO mercy. His fucks given are literally negative infinity.
I still dont get why Lorgar did not interject. They needed those people to find a cure for The needles. Id at least like to think the demon part was merely plan B
The guy reading the book sounds just like the same VA that does the King Arthur series by Bernard Cornwell. It might even be him. The Warlord Chronicles or something I think the series is called. The Winter King is the first book iirc. Great stuff. The same guy who wrote the book series The Saxon Stories that has a show based on it called The Last Kingdom. And even better series than the Arthur one. The guy's voice is perfect for it.
If this had happened a decade after Angron was taken away and it was the same tyrant and the same soldiers, I'd get it, even if exterminating the whole planet was still too far. At this point, this is a huddle of terrified people getting butchered because of deeds done before any of them were born. (Addendum): also, for any saying the guy is weak for not conquering the planet, how well would you run a rebellion if you got lobotomized and had a torture device specifically designed to make you a rage machine nailed into your brain?
@@terminallove3531 Yes, slavers...in an imperium where even in 30k, servitor slavery is a common practice and the mechanicus has whole planets of perpetually voluntold laborers. I'm not saying that makes what they do right, but for the galaxy and the wider galactic empire they find themselves in, they're nothing special for good or evil.
The thing that everyone misses is that the army of angron was already worshipping khorne, the signs are all there. The high riders were scum but they werent gathering skulls like his gladiator army, when theyre described towards the last stand they are clearly showning signs of fallig to chaos.
Ofc he is the weakest. He is nothing like the primarch he was meant to become. The butchers nails have destroyed any chance of angron becoming anything close to what he was designed to be. Same goes with the current fulgrim. A simplified perversion of the original concept. Horus and lorgar are the only ones who are stronger than their original design with the help of chaos.
@@OlrikMeister yup because Horus was so strong with the chaos and lorgar because he understood better than anyone how to handle this. Transfigured lorgar is a monster in the lore.
@@OlrikMeisterhow is fulgrim weak he beat roboute guilliman when he was in demon prince from and decapitated ferrus Manus before he transformed. Fulgrim was powerful in both original and demon prince from
it's more that he's tortured, broken. he was meant to be a healer, but that was literally ripped out of him. he's a husk, his throat destroyed from his screams of rage on the battlefield.
He wasn’t allowed to, he was weakened by the knife ears and forced to become a monster All other Primarchs had armies or were raised in the greatest of cities Angron and Mortarion had starving slaves
Had the Eldar simply DROVE THEIR REMNANT POPULATION AND RAMMED THEIR CRAFT WORLD SHIPS INTO THE NEAREST SUN, Angron wouldn't have been weaken and enslaved.
Bro, the angron voice is weak af, he sounds like an old shrieking man. Find a deep voice for angron, i could not finish the video as soon as i heard his voice. Come on no demigod of war and anger sounds like Mobius the timestreamer.
I have never hated a voice done by a voice actor more. Angrons voice is supposed to be the mix of a rockslide and an ursine roar (for those who don't know that's a bear). This mfer is supposed to sound like a cross between A MF ROCKSLIDE, AND AN URSINE ROAR. I love most of ADBs work, and I know it's not his fault because they run voices past people in gw who give them the greenlight, but i don't have the words to express how much I hate his Angron voice. Makes the audio books almost unlistenable for me.
Angron is and always will forever be the weakest of all the Primarchs. The shame and embarassment: a mighty Primarch enslaved by mere mortals. People blame the Emperor for not saving his companions but this also only adds to the truth of it: the weakling was in need of saving to begin with.
No other primarchs could've taken over that planet and all would've needed saving, It further proves how Angron had it the worst of all and that if the Emperor just saved his fellow Gladitors he would've had an unbeatable Legion.
@@MarvelVulcanEvery single other Primarch would have taken over that planet. Even Kurze. Angron. Was. Weak. Deal with it. The Emperors mistake was not wiping that entire planet out including Angron and letting Kharn lead the Hounds.
Angron's recovery was among the Emperor's greatest blunders. It would have been nothing to aid the rebellion and instantly mend ties with his son.
The issue with that is Nuceria was going under Imperial Compliance without bloodshed. If Big E sided with Angron, he would open up Nuceria as an active front in the Great Crusade and would need serious pacification. That would be a diplomatic disaster, especially if the goal is to try and persuade Human planets to join on their own.
@@TheCommissarGeneral Well good job Big E you gained few planets slighty faster and lost a Primarch and a Legion
The Emperor's lack of true understanding of human nature was his undoing. He loves what he doesn't understand and that's how so many fathers destroyed their own children despite loving them.
@@TheCommissarGeneral For faster compliance, he sacrificed a son.
@@TheCommissarGeneral That doesn't even make any lick of sense because the Emperor didn't give much of a shit how they were brought into compliance, he especially doesn't care if he has to murder worlds to do so and has already been doing that. That's what the World eater's do *already*
. Saving a bunch of gladiators would've only taken him a few days out out of his schedule at absolute most and would've secured the loyalty of a Primark worth more than the fleet or even the legion sent to rescue him.
If Angron wasn't worth that much wtf did he bother making him or even rescuing him for. Steamrolling the world wouldn't have been difficult in the slightest and the imperium already has a standing policy of submit or die anyways
Angron's kidnapping and the Fall of Prospero was two of the most tragic, heart wrenching moments in 40k.
The only difference is that Angron didn’t do anything wrong.
It was so tragic that wolves didn’t waste Angron when he and Russ fought and the wolves didn’t decimate 1000 sons completely.
Only reason fall of prospero was tragic was because it all could've been avoided if magnus wasn't an ego driven liar who led his sons down a path of damnation. Magnus single handedly ruined the imperium.
@@starcow17 he was wallowing in self pity. he might have been able to fight the wolves back. MAYBE IF HE WOULD HAVE JUST GROWN A PAIR AND EITHER SAID "I GIVE UP, TAKE ME TO THE EMPEROR" INSTEAD OF DOING NOTHING. If he didn't want to give up, the coordinating of his legion would have been way better to defend Prospero instead of bending over for Russ to brutally go at. Magnus killed his legion, his civilian populous, his ego all because of his own self pity and hate for making a mistake.
@@mw3309 I would pretty sad after I realised I opened a warprift in heart of Terra.
12:13
"Angron Thalk'r left them to die"
Literally the worst thing he could've said
13:04
"I pulled out the princeling's eyes, pop and crunch and scream, scREAM, SCREAM"
His denial makes him an absolute maniac
To be fair, only Angron and the Emperor would truly know what happened that day on the forsaken mountain.
@@michelveilleux123and the people of that world, the custodians, the marines present in the day
@@PerturaBased I standby my statement
@@michelveilleux123 pity
the terror everyone in that throne felt when the sheer titan of a man, clad in bronze and the subject of what amounts to an entire planet's Boogeyman, gave the order for their absolute annihilation and the extermination of their world must of been so strong that even Kurze would of been in envy of it all.
it's quite amazing to know what Angron was meant to be and how he actually turned out. you can say this about nearly any of the primarchs who had legit grievances and reasons for turning traitor but, in my opinion at least, none were as robbed as Angron.
I feel for angron and perty the most. Angron literally could not be anything but an asshole without immeasurable suffering, and no one ever listened to or tried to work with perturabo, never gave him the credit deserved, and never even treated him like a person at all. Neither of these men deserved what they got, and perhaps could’ve gone on to be some of the greatest beings to ever grace the galaxy if they had not been so thoroughly screwed over.
@@blacksabbath5300 given what they went on to do then both men absolutely deserved what they got, difficult circumstances and suffering are no excuse for evil and because of this they never could have been the greatest beings to grace the galaxy, merely the greatest failures.
@@thescarletpumpernel3305 angron literally was going to be the empath and healer of the primarchs. Likely just as if not more kind than vulkan. It he wasn’t afflicted with a device that was slowly degrading his incompatible mind, which amplified his rage and made him endure unbearable suffering for every moment he wasn’t enraged, he might’ve ended up even being the only non-racist human being in warhammer 40k. I know he did some horrible things but he had it worse than “a tragic upbringing”. Those can be gotten over and worked through, his past was quite literally nailed into his brain at all times. And in those couple moments when his butcher’s nails were removed, he gained clarity and clearly showed the real him was not the butcher. As for perturabo, it’s harder to make a case for him I will admit. But hear me out, this mother fucker was the only one who could even come close much less match rogal in siege warfare. He did more than his fair share of work for the imperium, but no one ever gave the man credit. Basically everyone hated him with few acceptions, he was always treated like an outcast and yes he may have been fairly brutal but he could’ve learned so much if someone sat down and had a talk with him rather than blindly berating him. Imagine what would’ve happened if rogal, rather than basically telling him to fuck off and challenging him, told him he needed an equal to help him build his dream fortress. That shit would be unbreakable, perty probably would’ve stayed loyal now that he’d been shown appreciation, and if he did the traitors would’ve gotten absolutely fucking nowhere. He hard carried the heresy, making all the strategic plans, he was the only reason Horus ever touched terra much less it’s solar system. And even still he got no credit. Fulgrim tried to fucking kill him and literally wounded his soul. Horus hardly ever gave him orders in person and usually sent henchmen to do so. But he still kept it going. And when they got to terra, he proved that he really did not give a fuck about chaos. He cracked that fortress then said “see ya bitches” and left the traitors to get fucked. He is (I believe) the only traitor primarch left who has not become a demon prince. He betrayed the imperium for much better reasons than almost any of the other traitors, and didn’t really care about chaos. He wasn’t straight up evil about it, he was just sick of the emperor and his brother’s bullshit. Hell, he hasn’t even really shown up to fuck over the loyalists much for a long time now. If you can’t personally except that they were some of the greatest primarchs, then I ask you at least give them credit as the best traitor primarchs.
@thescarletpumpernel3305 the emperor fucked over angron far more than any of the primarchs. He watched for a period of time from orbit as angron led his rebel slave army and didn't help him. Instead of shafting him because angron refused his offer to lead a legion, choosing instead to die with his slave brethren, he could have sent one single squad to custodes or even some of his own astartes to help him and his army. That one thing would have cemented angrons respect for the emperor but he chose one planet's subserviency to the imperium over one of his sons. If anything the emperor should have been proud that angron had thr strength of will to refuse him, despite the butchers nails fucking up his mind, but he got pissed off instead and thought 'I'll make an example out of you, boy' and pretty much kidnapped him, forcing him to know his slave army would be killed. The emperor caused angron to be what he would become. The emperor is a bellend
@@thescarletpumpernel3305 This kind of attitude is exactly why the Heresy happened in the first place.
While I think some people have the idea that Angron’s voice should be low and rumbling, there’s one detail that Jonathan Keeble mentions in this passage (2:05) that I think he capitalizes on: Angron is so heavily scarred he has no lips. Not being able to physically hold the spit in your mouth explains Keeble’s gurgling, off-kilter vocalization. Not to mention how Angron’s constant battle cries and screams has probably run his voice hoarse. It’s shockingly humanizing, showing how unending battle has affected Angron to such an extent that even his voice is not unscathed. Keeble really outdoes himself with every primarch.
Everything is wrong with this picture, i dont believe that Angron ever could sit still.
Absolutely fair, I just thought it was a cool ass image
I think he’d just sit angrily, sitting there seething
@@TODDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYas soon as his ass hits a surface he begins uncontrollably hyperventilating and crying.
Please reupload this with the picture shaking
@@norkimo8797 😆
I love the fact that Angron just strolls into the throne room. It emphasises that he has complete power over the situation. Everything was entirely within his control
He could just walk away, he could just finally leave it all in the past. He could see these primitive Barbarian high riders as beneath his concern. But he cannot resist the urge to take his revenge.
They destroyed one of the great works of humanity their destruction was far from overdue to be put to the sword. They ruined something more important than 2 score black stone fortresses and expected mercy lol
He barely had any control over himself.
Yes,but more importantly the big E should just let him die with his family if Big E love him as his son . Or the big E could spend more resources and effort to rescue his family if he is that important to his plan. But now the halfway solution is a down fall to The Big E ‘s plan . The Big E has the full control but he is not doing it right, therefore this mess is on Big E not on Angron .
Also, just LETTING people get away with atrocity is how you get more atrocity.
Angron was *due* his vengeance. Not *just* for him, but for every horrific thing these people had done. Far too often, in fiction and without, actions don't have consequences. Monstrous actions most of all.
If, one of the rare times they did, it had to come from the towering monument to Nuceria's sins, so be it. From the conquering nation-state down to the schoolyard bully: sometimes you make an atrocity bigger even than yourself, and you *get what you deserve* .
@@Pyre so every single person on Nuceria had to suffer for the crimes of the slaver aristocrats, including other slaves?
I love the reading, but I think Angron is universally given a deep rumbling voice. This higher pitched one would be perfect Goge Vandire, a senile old man in the depths of madness and depravity though. Regardless, I felt the fear of everyone in the room. The panicked voices were spot on. I was held in suspense even though I was rooting for Angron's vengeance until the heresy. I was thinking "God, just show a bit of mercy. Let SOMEONE go." And his declaration at the end, I felt the pit of my stomach drop just as they would. Every time Angron enters a room I feel uneasy. Actors like you really bring 40k to life.
I like the voice.
Exactly, 100% agree.
From all the screaming and roaring? His vocal cords must be ripped to shit. The fact that Angron could SPEAK was a fucking miracle.
@@michelveilleux123 imagine Angron has frequent 14 year old boy voice cracks constantly and that he sips honeyed tea to sooth his throat.
@@alastor8091 wouldn't be surprised if he needed surgery to fix his throat at all.
Other Primarchs may have fallen on some bad worlds and had raw deals but none like Angron. He was genetically made to be an empath and was forced to be basically the opposite. Can I imagine having these emotions, abilities and this purpose written into you on a genetic level and have your brain carved up ( he literally is missing parts of his brain) and having a machine beaten into your head that spikes pain into your nervous system unless you hurt and kill constantly. These actions basically being the complete bane of your genetic coding. It would be like having your mind and soul torn apart every waking second of your life. Not to mention the sheer amount of actual physical pain. Imagine a constant tooth ache that flares constantly in your brain. I imagine that's somewhat how it would feel.
Either he or Curze; I'm not sure which ultimately had it worse. At least Curze got to die though.
That's awful. Angron got a raw deal.
No. None of that is what is Angrons tragedy. Its that he was too weak to stop it. Others had equally bad raw deals. The Lion landed on a world of monsters and lived early life in isolation.
Angrons curse is that he was weak. That is why the Emperor didnt step in to save his failed revolt. It was a complete and utter failure not befitting a Primarch.
Wow
@@jmlaw8888that’s a very simplistic view that takes away the purposeful tragedy that Angron is supposed to represent.
Poor angron, he was supposed to be the Emperor's empathy. poor angron. never had a chance to be who he really was.
Angron without the nails would have rebelled against the Emperor anywaym
He said so himself to Leman
That women did not have survival instincts
Angron was the most tragic primarch
I hope in the new lore that comes out he will be a total war machine and boss to devastated the imperium
*cough* Arks of Omen: Angron *cough*
Angron still wants to die but can't. Khorn helped him destroy the coral engine and also destroyed a planet with a single Swing
@@darkwolverine5836 and for a brief moment, an instant, he was released, he was freed from the nails, he was at peace.
@@arthurdaffos1490 we need Bobby G and Lion to 2v1 him and G to kill him with emps sword so he can stay dead the man has been through enough
@@arthurdaffos1490 And then the pain return as Khorne reforged the red angel again to fight for him , there is no escape for him ,there is blood ,guts and skulls that can stop the pain
That cut near the end was haunting.
Aww I didn't mean for it to cut off in the middle of "world". Dammit.
@@TheCommissarGeneral it’s a little odd but actually gives its own sense of dread and effect. Not as bad as it could be, really.
@@TheCommissarGeneral Maybe not your intention but I don't think its all that bad. Imagine if you will, Angron holding the last of the Thalkyr by the head, and not even waiting to finish his sentence, squeezes and crushes the head of the young boy with the last words he would ever hear being "...then...kill everyone on this wo-" *CRUNCH*
That wasn't a cut, they just killed the royal chronicler first. 😉
It adds MORE to what you’ve made.
That silence is perfect to what’s about to happen next.
Angron sounds like a angry Zippy from Rainbow. Thank you for the video, I enjoyed it greatly. Thumbs up.
😂
I really like this voice for Angron. I feel like quite a few Primarch could be given same voices, so I really enjoy this higher pitched take.
Loyalist clones of perturabo and angron raised on terra would have been the greatest beings in the galaxy in terms of sheer achievement and would have been very close friends
The idea of Perturabo having “friends” is honestly laughable. And I say this being a Perty fanboy
@@TheCommissarGeneral angron was an empath before the butcher's nails. He could take peoples mental and physical suffering into himself
@@TheCommissarGeneral perturabo was bitter at the treatment he received on Olympia. Angron before the nails was more caring than vulkan
@@TheCommissarGeneral wasn't Magnus one of the only few friends Perty had?
@@levent2991974 Actually yes, now that I think about it. You’re right.
I would really enjoy a moment between Kurze, Angron and Mortation talking about their dad.
The fact the human guards still held their rifles up, that takes BALLS at 1:50, gotta give them props for that
The most tragic part about Angron is that I don't think aiding the rebellion would have enamoured Angron to the Emperor. Angron was a person whose entire life had been dictated by the wishes of others. That day on Desh'elika Ridge was the first time he had been given a choice. A true choice free of anyone else's influence. And he chose a final last stand against oppression. Whatever methods he had chosen, in saving Angron the Emperor would have taken that choice away from him. I genuinely think the only thing the Emperor could have done to earn Angron's loyalty is to respect his decision and allow him to die the death he had chosen for himself.
Elsewhere in the book Angron says as much to Russ. He basically claims that if he was able to he'd fight against the Emperor's fascist slave-taking Imperium
If Gman found Angron first, they could have been the best duo of the primarchs, the chain breaker and the builder. Abolishing slavery and dragging worlds to greatness whatever they want to or not. But that would be too noble bright.
ever the perfect dinner party guest
The fact angron was meant to be the heart and soul of the imperium just breaks me, All the corpse emperor had to do was unleash angrons son to defeat the high riders and angron would of walked a different past still damaged by the nails but different. Instead the corpse emp just tore away angrons heart and force him into another gladitor pit...
To be fair the Emperor planned to have the Primarchs rule for millennia at his side, after inspecting him, he knew Angron wouldn’t last more than three centuries tops and he didn’t have the ability to fix the damage, at that point Angron went from a scalpel worth preserving to a hammer that still had some use but wasn’t worth the lives of an already compliant world, and he already had a backup Primarch for this exact possibility already in play
The Emperor made two of every Primarch, like Perturabo and Dorn, so if one fell in battle or was otherwise removed from play his overarching plans wouldn’t be disrupted
As we see in Betrayer, Angron was on the verge of death, so he basically only lasted about a century and a half after his discovery, there was no path the Emperor could’ve taken that would’ve saved Angron from a grizzly fate, and so he chose not to bother
This book is awesome. Highly recommended.
Imagine accusing Angron of fleeing, as if he'd been either a coward or a traitor to his fellow slaves 🤦♂
Literally every world eater in that room .-.
It breaks my heart to hear it. You did an amazing job. Really, great work
pssssst *whispers* read the description
Imagine your standing infront of a 8-10ft berserker, wearing gladiator style power armor who is couple hunderd years old. And you insult him to his face how would think it would end
Best display of vengeance, justice, and retribution deserved. 😈
0:36 "Can a loc come up in your crib?"
😂 That voice they gave him is kinda funny. He sounds like a maniac.
He is
I think at this point he was on the verge of death.
Lol tough bastard... Hung on for 100 years.
At this point he’s dying and going insane, it fits
I can tell your content is going to get better as your channel progresses. This was great narration.
This is a clip from the audiobook…
@@Scufflegrit I even put it in the description!
@@TheCommissarGeneral now i feel silly
My headcanon is that angrons voice sounds deeper, more like a death metal scream and less like Dr doofensmirtz
I love how angron sounds like a pissed off insane gremlin constantly
I love this whinier dipiction of Angron, I feel it portrays the pure emotion in this scene much better, the almost childish natire of his tantrum really serves portray just how damaged a person he really is.
I think one of the most awesome things that can happen is the saving of Angron. If the emperor can do this, bring him back to the fold, he will have proven he can accomplish anything.
Yeah and Shakespeare should have written a sequel to Hamlet where it all works out🙄
@@justasplanned8023 Difference being, Shakespeare is dead and so is his world, where WH40k is still alive and being developed. Anything is possible.
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Woooosh
@@justasplanned8023 Not really, but if it makes you feel better...🤣🤣
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He didn’t write a sequel because not every story is meant to have a happy ending. The fact that you want Angron to be redeemed is the whole reason he never should be.
That feeling it gives you is literally the point, delivering on it isn’t. It’s a tragedy.
Great excerpt!
Angron was the emperors biggest failure. He was the easiest to keep loyal, all he had to do was help him in his rebellion against his masters.
But according to Malcador he always wanted some of them to rebel, it was the plan to cull them after the great crusade when they were no longer needed, just like the Thunder Warriors
There is no way the Butcher’s nails were that bad if this artwork has Angron CHILLING, much less sitting in one place. World eaters chose chaos tbh
Dude he had parts of his brain ripped out. The only reason space marines or Angron can stand the pain is their superhuman pain. They did choose chaos but the butchers nails are absolutely as bad as the name applies
This happens when Khorne disables his butcher's nail for few moments of bliss...
That voice must have been absolute *murder* on you, good god.
It fits, in a way. Everything about Angron is broken: everything is tragedy. The one who would likely have been the kindest among the Primarchs, who might have filled a role none of the rest of them could, reduced in all ways to a shell of what he could have been. A completely broken voice is just one more piece of it.
As to Nuceria? Even in all that tragedy, there is a certain satisfaction to actions having *consequences* .
"That voice must have been absolute murder on you, good god."
Proof no one reads the descriptions lmfao
Despite all the death, this is pretty sad.
Angron is probably my favorite primarch.
I like to imagine Angron sounds like Malak from KotOR
Angron is by FAR my favorite primarch. Most people who think of him don’t know how unbelievably strong he actually is. He is not the embodiment of control of martial prowess, he is a behemoth of rage incarnate. The greatest of the daemon princes. The strongest bloodthirster. Lifting wise he able to hold up a titan while his broken cracked under its weight. Millions of pounds of pressure. He is quite literally the strongest of the primarchs. The only reason he is held back is because he has no need to block attacks only kill maim and murder, no fear, no regret, absolutely ZERO mercy. His fucks given are literally negative infinity.
isnt Vulkan the biggest and strongest?
@@mzamethodman7134 nah angron lifted a titan
Good god, you can feel his pain.
As great as this story is, Angron would never sound like this
You cut off at the end there.
ugh yeah I know...
@@TheCommissarGeneral otherwise really well done though.
The Emperor set his sons up.
I still dont get why Lorgar did not interject. They needed those people to find a cure for The needles. Id at least like to think the demon part was merely plan B
I admit I almost laughed when I heard Angron accuse someone else of being a murderer as though that was something he disapproved of.
Revenge is indeed a dish best served cold
my fav scene from the bok
Angron did nothing wrong™
(I look back and see a vast ton of dead body's all bucther up and body limps and blood all over the place....) Me"yeah....nothing wrong huh"
@@moodyowlproductions4287 Yes.
well. he did a lot wrong. but most was not his fault. not truly
much prefer this reading than the later one
The guy reading the book sounds just like the same VA that does the King Arthur series by Bernard Cornwell. It might even be him. The Warlord Chronicles or something I think the series is called. The Winter King is the first book iirc. Great stuff. The same guy who wrote the book series The Saxon Stories that has a show based on it called The Last Kingdom. And even better series than the Arthur one. The guy's voice is perfect for it.
You mean Captain Picard?
If this had happened a decade after Angron was taken away and it was the same tyrant and the same soldiers, I'd get it, even if exterminating the whole planet was still too far.
At this point, this is a huddle of terrified people getting butchered because of deeds done before any of them were born.
(Addendum): also, for any saying the guy is weak for not conquering the planet, how well would you run a rebellion if you got lobotomized and had a torture device specifically designed to make you a rage machine nailed into your brain?
They were still slavers.
@@terminallove3531 Yes, slavers...in an imperium where even in 30k, servitor slavery is a common practice and the mechanicus has whole planets of perpetually voluntold laborers. I'm not saying that makes what they do right, but for the galaxy and the wider galactic empire they find themselves in, they're nothing special for good or evil.
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Yes, but... Angron is insane.
He literally can't think straight.
@@terminallove3531 That we agree on.
Sins of the fathers…
I'm not a fan of the high, nasally voice for angron, but still this part hits hard.
It makes sense thematically.
When you consider some of the stuff he lived though.
Then there's the nails that can't be removed.
Very nice
I can't help but picture Zippy from rainbow everytime the narrator does Angron's voice 😂
I imagined his voice would be deeper.
Angron sounds like a demented Zippy from 🌈
The thing that everyone misses is that the army of angron was already worshipping khorne, the signs are all there. The high riders were scum but they werent gathering skulls like his gladiator army, when theyre described towards the last stand they are clearly showning signs of fallig to chaos.
Your reading is fantastic, but can I ask why Angron sounds like a little goblin ?
this is an excerpt from an official audiobook
At this point, he’s dying and going insane, he has a deeper voice in the other audiobooks
Just commenting for the algorytm
Kharn when she said Angron fled. 0-0
He liked Lorgar? Funny.
Wanna re shoot this with me? I can do a good angron I have a deep and raspy voice befitting the primearch
literally me
CUT OFF ALITTLE EARLY BUT GOOD BOOK
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Im ngl, angron sounds like dr. Doofensmirtz and its not intimidating whatsoever
If you want to directly credit him the audiobook reader is David Timson btw
Nope. Jonathan Keeble.
doofenshmirtz is hella angry
No Im sorry I cant. This portrayal of angron is terrible. This is what you do when you want to make fun of someone
I think it would be a lot better with a more appropriate voice
Angron is the weakest Primarch ever, just look at that pitiful display of tantrums
The Emperor is correct to disdain him
weak bait
Ofc he is the weakest. He is nothing like the primarch he was meant to become. The butchers nails have destroyed any chance of angron becoming anything close to what he was designed to be.
Same goes with the current fulgrim. A simplified perversion of the original concept.
Horus and lorgar are the only ones who are stronger than their original design with the help of chaos.
@@OlrikMeister yup because Horus was so strong with the chaos and lorgar because he understood better than anyone how to handle this. Transfigured lorgar is a monster in the lore.
Big E caused him to become like that.
@@OlrikMeisterhow is fulgrim weak he beat roboute guilliman when he was in demon prince from and decapitated ferrus Manus before he transformed. Fulgrim was powerful in both original and demon prince from
I've always found the voices of the narrators so boring lol. Heard plenty of people on youtube doing it better
What earth about Angron's character made this voice actor think 'I think Angron would sound like an old woman'.
it's more that he's tortured, broken. he was meant to be a healer, but that was literally ripped out of him. he's a husk, his throat destroyed from his screams of rage on the battlefield.
Had he just conquered the planet like all his other brothers …. He wouldn’t have had to deal with this
He wasn’t allowed to, he was weakened by the knife ears and forced to become a monster
All other Primarchs had armies or were raised in the greatest of cities
Angron and Mortarion had starving slaves
Had the Eldar simply DROVE THEIR REMNANT POPULATION AND RAMMED THEIR CRAFT WORLD SHIPS INTO THE NEAREST SUN, Angron wouldn't have been weaken and enslaved.
terrible voice for angron, absolutely terrible
Bro, the angron voice is weak af, he sounds like an old shrieking man. Find a deep voice for angron, i could not finish the video as soon as i heard his voice. Come on no demigod of war and anger sounds like Mobius the timestreamer.
😆mobius sounds more badass some times
It’s the official audiobook, at this point he’s dying
I have never hated a voice done by a voice actor more. Angrons voice is supposed to be the mix of a rockslide and an ursine roar (for those who don't know that's a bear). This mfer is supposed to sound like a cross between A MF ROCKSLIDE, AND AN URSINE ROAR. I love most of ADBs work, and I know it's not his fault because they run voices past people in gw who give them the greenlight, but i don't have the words to express how much I hate his Angron voice. Makes the audio books almost unlistenable for me.
Deep, gravelly voices are overdone. The Angron you're describing sounds like a video game character.
This Angron sounds like a fucking serial killer.
@biggiouschinnus7489 I disagree. The authors description fits his character perfectly, in my opinion.
And angron is a serial killer.
Loved Angron’s whinny voice “whaaaa Daddy wouldn’t save my friends abs my feelings are still hurt”
Abs
What the emperor did was moronic
After all he went through you say that? Are you Erebus?
Angron is and always will forever be the weakest of all the Primarchs. The shame and embarassment: a mighty Primarch enslaved by mere mortals.
People blame the Emperor for not saving his companions but this also only adds to the truth of it: the weakling was in need of saving to begin with.
He was attacked by eldar as a baby you dumbass, even the strongest Primarchs would be severely weakened
No other primarchs could've taken over that planet and all would've needed saving, It further proves how Angron had it the worst of all and that if the Emperor just saved his fellow Gladitors he would've had an unbeatable Legion.
@@MarvelVulcanEvery single other Primarch would have taken over that planet. Even Kurze. Angron. Was. Weak. Deal with it.
The Emperors mistake was not wiping that entire planet out including Angron and letting Kharn lead the Hounds.
Another B8
Fucking imagine The Pure presence of Chaos coated Lorgar, wow😮 Pure fire this book❤🎉
Dude what is angrons voice lmao that is not what he should sound like
Check my re-upload using my own voice acting and editing skills.