@@573reviews The Raven I think was based on an old German design originally. That explains why it bites you in the web of your hand if you are not careful. Reliable as all hell!
@@bhartley868 I did not know that. Thanks. It was the only pistol I could afford when I was young. I carried one with me running trap lines more years ago than I care to remember. Never had a bad one.
@@573reviews The fit the back pocked great because of their squarish shape. Chamber always empty for safety. With good metal case ammo 82 foot pounds is possible weak ammo is around 60 foot pounds. Winchester ammo was about the best.
I personally have both. I found some really good 25acp. In my experience with the .25 you need round nose bullets. The bullet doesn’t go fast enough to expand with a hollow point. I love my 25 it’s very old like 1925 . Yet always fires had to file and fit til it was perfect. My 22 is a Naa wheel gun. They do what I need. I’m not looking for a stop a charging bear. I want a get off me and rethink your life choices. Plus a 22 in the pocket is better then a 44 in a drawer. An it’s better then a cus word and a rock. 😊
I 100% agree with your evaluation of pocket guns. My raven is considered a cheap pistol yet is more reliable than the pt22. I like the NAA because it's literally tiny enough to carry in sweats while running errands or walking the dog. Thanks for the comment.
Waaayyyyy better. I still think they are viable options for people with arthritis or weak hands. No recoil, easy to get into battery. With ammo cost and higher performance ammo the 22 is pulling ahead.
@davidmills817 they may get a lot of hate but most I've seen have been reliable and reasonably accurate. They have a sentimental place because I've had times it was all I could afford.
I do woodwork and will say the 25 hit a hair harrder spot near tht knot where it is dark. But .25 is actually 5% better unless you have stingers or velocitors. Practically they are the same!
I re shot the 25 on the same end as the 22 off camera with about the same result. I figured just the little amount of diameter increase was keeping it from getting as deep in the wood. In the 5 gallon jug comparison they had identical performance. Both went all the way through the jug and was stopped by the time shirt on the off side. To me the downside of 25acp is that ammo makers don't spend any R&D to improve it.
@zipper396 that's what another person said in the comments. I didn't even know about it. That's what I appreciate about you all sharing your knowledge on here. Most people will learn a lot more from you all than from my videos. I am happy to see a company showing some love for the 25acp finally.
@@573reviewsHornady 35 grain xtp hollow points are excellent for 25 acp, they have excellent penetration and expansion, several you tube videos with a raven 25 and a Jennings 25 and a few other ones, also the 25 acp FTX bullet is pretty decent,I carry a mix of them in my several 25 acp pistols, and some Fmj also buffalo 🦬 bore 👍
Changing the 22LR from standard velocity to high velocity changed up the score. 2-0 in favor of the 22. The high velocity mini mags did manage to poke a hole in the washing machine lid.
The 25acp could do both of those things but there are much better rounds that will work better and faster. It's equivalent to a 22 long rifle out of a handgun so while very deadly not an efficient quick stopper of threats.
Excellent compare testing. Thanks. Although, I like wheel gun's. I have the Ruger LCR.22 LR. And it just can't jam or ftf. Once in a while a dud round will not fire from a bulk batch. After all others fired, I remove dud ,reposition it ,and reload others, works every time.
Thank you. That little ruger seems like an excellent pistol for the 22. I haven't had the chance to shoot one but I've shot the 380 version and it was great.
I was concerned about the knot so I shot low enough to be in soft wood. I believe in hard media the 22 being slightly smaller is why it will penetrate just a bit deeper. The 25 seems to leave a bit more wound because it's slightly larger. I'm going to do more comparison but if I have to depend on either the 25 is my choice. Being center fire gives me a little more confidence on it going bang. Thanks for the comment.
I shot again off camera with the same results in the same end of board. Weird thing is with the cardboard in front the 22 always penetrated more but when shot directly into the wood without passing through anything first the penetration was identical. I think the 25 starts to tumble before the 22 and that's why with a barrier before the board it penetrated less but without it did the same. I wouldn't say one was absolutely better performance wise. Only cost and availability separate them. Thank you for the comment.
the "only" advantage the .25acp has over the .22lr is reliable ignition? I mean if the round doesn't go off its useless until you rack the slide for a fresh round...
I've got to agree with that assessment. Being centerfire is definitely a plus for the 25. Cost is the greatest plus for the 22 and availability. I'm leaning more to the 22 pocket pistols even though I really have a soft spot for the 25acp.
Someone else had commented about that, so I went back and shot again on the same end of the board with the 22 still going in a little deeper. In wood, I think the 22's slightly smaller diameter is what allows it to penetrate just a hair deeper. The strange thing is I shot some ammo cans later and the 25 went through the side of the ammo can every time while the 22 only made it through 50% of the time. I really think the 2 are too close to have a definite winner, but it's fun trying to find out. Thank you for commenting.
I thought you commented on the 380 video. Lol. I'm an idiot. The 32 is not less flippy than a 22 but does everything better. It penetrates better and seems to hit harder than the ft lbs says it does. I mention the p32 in my newest video as being much better than either the 22 or 25. Sorry about the confusion.
I've seen and done many tests with both the 22LR and 25ACP and found that there are times when 1 will outpenetrate the other but overall they are extremely close in penetration. The big difference (as you metioned) is the centerfire vs rimfire priming. Centerfire is just more reliable. The 2nd item is overall reliability. Most high quality 25 ACP guns like the Beretta 950, Baby Browning, etc. will eat any 25 ACP you feed it very reliably. This cannot be said for most defensive 22LR pistols. Most small defensive 22LR pistols will have loads that work very well and also those that it just won't function reliably
Thank you for explaining it better than I ever could. Cost of ammo is the biggest detriment to owning a 25. That and 380 pistols are now the same size. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you. I would much rather have either in my pocket if needed than any other pistol left at home. The stingers is what I load up if I take the 22 anywhere. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@mikem.2078 yes. Stingers are good. Probably the best one we've shot is the velocitor. I haven't tried the federal punch but velocitors would be my first choice. Then Stingers and mini mags. I've been wanting to try out the ruger lcp 22. I've heard they're great.
@@573reviewsfederal punch was designed for short barrel pistols and specifically has it on the box ,they are best. for deep penetration, and carry them in my pocket 22 lr pistols,Aguila supermaximum both in hollow points and Fmj 1750 fps might be better in a rifle, not sure what they do in short barrel though have stinger in my rifle and Aguila supermaximum and viper
@13BravoBiggunsM110SP I've been trying to locate some federal punch locally but so far no luck. Probably just have to get online and get some headed this way.
The price of the Raven 25 is considerably less than the pt22 although both are pretty cheap compared to the most popular pistols like glock, sig, etc. Both of these can be found for well under $200.
PT22 appears to have a longer barrel. That will make a significant difference. It's also worth noting that in these minor calibre pistols a bullet that tumbles on impact is going to do significantly more damage.
The barrels are nearly identical. The pt22 having an open slide just gives the appearance of looking a tad longer. I agree on a tumbling round causing more damage if penetration isn't impeded by it. In the water jug test they did exactly the same. Both were caught on the backside by the T shirt. I really think in a bad situation they would be equals. Thanks for watching and thanks for commenting.
I did give it another go. It's on the channel. After doing it several times I would give a slight edge to 22 using hot ammo and dead even using mini mags or equivalent. Neither as good as 380 but both better than a sharp stick and cuss words. Lol
LOL. I'd choose the raven. Mostly because for a $75 dollar pistol it's been 100% reliable and is accurate. This particular pt22 has been problematic. Extremely problematic. Thanks for the comment.
That's what I'm saying! I'd take either over nothing any day of the week. Thanks for watching and commenting. Be sure to check out the Sig vs Glock torture/ follow up video and comment for a chance to win a Gerber knife.
The little PT22 has been a love/hate ordeal. Out of the box it needed some TLC to get running decently. I like them even though it's finicky about what ammo it will run with. Thanks for watching and commenting.
In another comment I talked about that. I shot them both on the same end with the exact results when going through cardboard first. Without cardboard in front of board they performed identical. It seemed the 25 started to tumble in the cardboard media before exiting so that prevented it from penetrating as far. The 22 didn't tumble in cardboard so went a little further. Should have videoed it all but figured it would be boring as hell. No hard feelings at all and I really appreciate your comment.
25 is not one i would bet my life on. Its heavier not enough power to compensate. They often tumble. Anyone raised in a gun family got a brick of 22lr at christmas. Never had a misfire. A stovepipe. Wed shoot from time we get up till dark. 22 accurate for sights or point shooters. Wed take 100 clothes pins sit on the porch that was same height as the clothes line and hip shoot or lap shoot. Might miss 3 out of 100 by 10 years old. 55 and still do it
The ammo availability and price is what separates the 2 calibers for sure. Practice is the most important thing with little pocket pistols. As far as the bricks of 500 in 22, those were always the ones we had a few duds in. Mom would threaten us with our lives about shooting her clothes pins off the line so we would pick up all the shotgun shell hulls we could find and have a field day shooting. Sounds like you had a great childhood.
@@573reviews firearms red necks and little kids. What's not to love? I got my first motorcycle at 2. I got my first zip gun at 6 from a hit man I knew as uncle chock. Gave me a blood stained switchblade for 8th birthday. First rifle 1022 ruger at 8. Mod choke 20 GA Harrington Richardson at 9. What did they give me to bird hunt with that year? A full choke 3" mag 10 ga! I wasn't allowed to shoot until the others missed as the dove flew over I was the sniper. If the 5 grown men missed then I was to reach way out there and blast their butts off. Growing up with a musician dad driving Italian and brit rides running around back stage or sitting in bars at 3am when I have history class in 4 hours. Or coming in late smelling like weed and falling asleep in Mrs Nelson's class because I was hanging out with the Doogie brothers in the studio night after night or 3 dog night seemed normal. Finding out Mrs Nelson the snootieist uptight teacher on earth was a closet r&b lover and loved dad's music still has me fd up. Growing up I thought I've got the coolest parents on earth. Then I got older and realized those assholes had life insurance on me. Sure son you can use an umbrella to safely land on the driveway if you jump off the second floor roof.
I agree but we are poor folk and just shoot whatever we can scrounge up. I'm thinking of doing some soaked newspapers. Not sure how that would correlate but it's still fun to see. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Tengo los 2 calibres. Una bersa modelo 23 de los 90 toda acero 22 mm con munición hiper velocidad Remington punta hueca es muy segura y cumple su función y en 25 o 6.35 tengo una Astra Cub la uso con munición punta redonda la hueca no me dio mucho resultado, para portarla es invisible... Igual no son calibres para enfrentar a 2 o 3 delincuentes armados. Son para recreación la 22 y ambas te pueden sacar de un apuro con un ratero, aunque cualquiera de las 2 en la cabeza o centro de maza te pueden mandar al otro mundo.
I've heard good things about the Bersa and have shot one in 380. The Astra Cub is small enough to be carried all the time and while 25acp may not be a powerful round I can't think of anyone that wants to get hit by one. Stay safe and thank you for checking out the channel and commenting. 👍
It did end up making some but between these 2 little cartridges it's a wash 9 times out of 10. Still fun to shoot stuff with them though. Thsnksnfor watching and commenting.
A lot of people shared your opinion so we did several more test. Turns out it can go either way. The other test were all back and forth with one seeming to have an advantage then the next test the other would pull ahead. The only 2 certain things we came away with is 25acp has more reliable ignition being centerfire and 22 LR is cheaper. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ummmm..... well I hope you were able to relocate to a safer area. Yes, I've heard drugs can make a person a bit harder to deter from acting a fool for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The raven is best weapon made...for shooting yourself in your junk! The fire as well with safety on as well as off. I found out my mom was carying one and i swapped her my grendel p10380 and gave the raven to an asshole that owed me money.
The raven should be carried with an empty chamber. It's faster to rack the slide on it than engage that tiny safety. I'd wager the raven is just as reliable as the little kel tecs when shooting on the range. As far as $50 pistols go, it's best one I've come across. Lol
@@573reviews there was finally a class action suit against them due to the safeties being useless. One of my best friends in high-school had a cop dad. Always had his Jennings 22 stuck in his pants above his junk. I told him so many times he'd shoot his junk off. Walking thru dfw airport behind him when I hear a muffled bang as he slumps over groaning. I leaned in and said I told you! So how do you wanna play this? He gritted and we went to the bathroom. He didn't want his mom dad (shep and midge) or John Tracey or his wife to know so It would be our secret. Lucky me. Well he took both pieces to get worked on , that's as detailed as I'm getting one he doesn't Cary any more , not sure which that is to be honest. He still walks like John Wayne since that day. Ahh good times.
@David Reynolds I would never carry a raven with one in the pipe. For one the sliding safety is basically a dull razor blade. Another reason is I don't think the safety is internally strong. But a lot of folks carry on an empty chamber with even modern firearms. With that said, I'd rather have a raven than a sharp stick and a harsh word.
@@573reviews ive got over 300 in my collection. I do not now or ever will own one and if someone ever tries to give me one i will punch them in the mouth because that would be proof they hate me and want me dead.
@@573reviews I myself like the lil 25 on looks plus don't see many around these days ..I love 22 caliber though it's my favorite round ..so dang fun and cheap to shoot .. federal makes some pretty good bulk ammo , of course CCI'S great too some of the best ..good video sir , have a good one
I agree to a certain extent. The CCI stingers, mini mags and velocitors have been 100% so far. That said I would trust the 25acp ammo to go bang over any rimfire.
Ravens never die they just fade away.
Man I felt that statement in my soul. Lol
@@573reviews The Raven I think was based on an old German design originally. That explains why it bites you in the web of your hand if you are not careful. Reliable as all hell!
@@bhartley868 I did not know that. Thanks. It was the only pistol I could afford when I was young. I carried one with me running trap lines more years ago than I care to remember. Never had a bad one.
@@573reviews The fit the back pocked great because of their squarish shape. Chamber always empty for safety. With good metal case ammo 82 foot pounds is possible weak ammo is around 60 foot pounds. Winchester ammo was about the best.
I personally have both. I found some really good 25acp. In my experience with the .25 you need round nose bullets. The bullet doesn’t go fast enough to expand with a hollow point. I love my 25 it’s very old like 1925 . Yet always fires had to file and fit til it was perfect.
My 22 is a Naa wheel gun. They do what I need. I’m not looking for a stop a charging bear. I want a get off me and rethink your life choices. Plus a 22 in the pocket is better then a 44 in a drawer. An it’s better then a cus word and a rock. 😊
I 100% agree with your evaluation of pocket guns. My raven is considered a cheap pistol yet is more reliable than the pt22. I like the NAA because it's literally tiny enough to carry in sweats while running errands or walking the dog. Thanks for the comment.
А есть еще NAA в калибре 22 магнум, он выдает около 200 Дж.
@Иван Иванович the 22 mag is more powerful for sure. I've been using standard velocity ammo in the 22. With high velocity it wins over 25acp also.
The old saying - It's better to be missed by a 44 magnum, than to be hit in the forehead with a 22 lr.
@@QuantumMech_88 Странная поговорка. Не важно какой калибр в лоб эта смерть.
Both are still better than a finger poke in the eye.😁
Waaayyyyy better. I still think they are viable options for people with arthritis or weak hands. No recoil, easy to get into battery. With ammo cost and higher performance ammo the 22 is pulling ahead.
My Raven is exactly like the one in the test. A guy at work said he had a gun. I asked what kind and he said "Chrome."
@davidmills817 they may get a lot of hate but most I've seen have been reliable and reasonably accurate. They have a sentimental place because I've had times it was all I could afford.
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I do woodwork and will say the 25 hit a hair harrder spot near tht knot where it is dark. But .25 is actually 5% better unless you have stingers or velocitors. Practically they are the same!
I re shot the 25 on the same end as the 22 off camera with about the same result. I figured just the little amount of diameter increase was keeping it from getting as deep in the wood. In the 5 gallon jug comparison they had identical performance. Both went all the way through the jug and was stopped by the time shirt on the off side. To me the downside of 25acp is that ammo makers don't spend any R&D to improve it.
I didn't know buffalo bore made 25acp. That would be a game changer for sure. Their ammo is always fairly warm.
@@573reviews they also make federal punch in .25acp now.
@zipper396 that's what another person said in the comments. I didn't even know about it. That's what I appreciate about you all sharing your knowledge on here. Most people will learn a lot more from you all than from my videos. I am happy to see a company showing some love for the 25acp finally.
@@573reviewsHornady 35 grain xtp hollow points are excellent for 25 acp, they have excellent penetration and expansion, several you tube videos with a raven 25 and a Jennings 25 and a few other ones, also the 25 acp FTX bullet is pretty decent,I carry a mix of them in my several 25 acp pistols, and some Fmj also buffalo 🦬 bore 👍
Changing the 22LR from standard velocity to high velocity changed up the score. 2-0 in favor of the 22. The high velocity mini mags did manage to poke a hole in the washing machine lid.
how deadly is a .25 raven for self defense? can you stop a a rabid dog or a crazy junkie charging at you with it?
The 25acp could do both of those things but there are much better rounds that will work better and faster. It's equivalent to a 22 long rifle out of a handgun so while very deadly not an efficient quick stopper of threats.
@@573reviews thanks for the info
Thanks to Sportsmans Merchantile.for finding the little Raven MP25. It's a gem.
We need a full review of the Raven and a reliability test.
I have a Raven MP25 exactly as the one shown but the second model
@Willie Rose mines been 100% reliable. Best of the "ring of fire" Saturday night specials in my opinion.
Excellent compare testing. Thanks. Although, I like wheel gun's. I have the Ruger LCR.22 LR. And it just can't jam or ftf. Once in a while a dud round will not fire from a bulk batch. After all others fired, I remove dud ,reposition it ,and reload others, works every time.
Thank you. That little ruger seems like an excellent pistol for the 22. I haven't had the chance to shoot one but I've shot the 380 version and it was great.
The 25 was very close to a not in the board ..
I was concerned about the knot so I shot low enough to be in soft wood. I believe in hard media the 22 being slightly smaller is why it will penetrate just a bit deeper. The 25 seems to leave a bit more wound because it's slightly larger. I'm going to do more comparison but if I have to depend on either the 25 is my choice. Being center fire gives me a little more confidence on it going bang. Thanks for the comment.
The wood fibers are densier where you shot the 25acp because of the knot. that could explain the difference in penetration.
I shot again off camera with the same results in the same end of board. Weird thing is with the cardboard in front the 22 always penetrated more but when shot directly into the wood without passing through anything first the penetration was identical. I think the 25 starts to tumble before the 22 and that's why with a barrier before the board it penetrated less but without it did the same. I wouldn't say one was absolutely better performance wise. Only cost and availability separate them. Thank you for the comment.
I really enjoy small caliber, especially 22. Hope you do more, will check your videos.
I always have a 22 somewhere within reach. I think a lot of people overlook the usefulness of the little mouse guns.
the "only" advantage the .25acp has over the .22lr is reliable ignition? I mean if the round doesn't go off its useless until you rack the slide for a fresh round...
I've got to agree with that assessment. Being centerfire is definitely a plus for the 25. Cost is the greatest plus for the 22 and availability. I'm leaning more to the 22 pocket pistols even though I really have a soft spot for the 25acp.
The 25 hit just below a knot where the wood is a lot denser than where the 22 hit
Someone else had commented about that, so I went back and shot again on the same end of the board with the 22 still going in a little deeper. In wood, I think the 22's slightly smaller diameter is what allows it to penetrate just a hair deeper. The strange thing is I shot some ammo cans later and the 25 went through the side of the ammo can every time while the 22 only made it through 50% of the time. I really think the 2 are too close to have a definite winner, but it's fun trying to find out. Thank you for commenting.
Good video
I wonder how a 32acp would compare?
The 32 is great. They're also less flippy even in these tiny guns. For pocket carry the p32 kel tec is an excellent choice.
@@573reviews Yeah, thanks!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Have a great day. I'll do a short video on the 32 asap.
I thought you commented on the 380 video. Lol. I'm an idiot. The 32 is not less flippy than a 22 but does everything better. It penetrates better and seems to hit harder than the ft lbs says it does. I mention the p32 in my newest video as being much better than either the 22 or 25. Sorry about the confusion.
I've seen and done many tests with both the 22LR and 25ACP and found that there are times when 1 will outpenetrate the other but overall they are extremely close in penetration. The big difference (as you metioned) is the centerfire vs rimfire priming. Centerfire is just more reliable. The 2nd item is overall reliability. Most high quality 25 ACP guns like the Beretta 950, Baby Browning, etc. will eat any 25 ACP you feed it very reliably. This cannot be said for most defensive 22LR pistols. Most small defensive 22LR pistols will have loads that work very well and also those that it just won't function reliably
Thank you for explaining it better than I ever could. Cost of ammo is the biggest detriment to owning a 25. That and 380 pistols are now the same size. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great test, brother. Simple and straightforward.
A cal .25 as well as cal .22 are good for defense. Imagine a cal .22 Hyper ammo.
Thank you. I would much rather have either in my pocket if needed than any other pistol left at home. The stingers is what I load up if I take the 22 anywhere. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Would you consider Stingers even in the short barrels? I have Ruger lcr22.
@mikem.2078 yes. Stingers are good. Probably the best one we've shot is the velocitor. I haven't tried the federal punch but velocitors would be my first choice. Then Stingers and mini mags. I've been wanting to try out the ruger lcp 22. I've heard they're great.
@@573reviewsfederal punch was designed for short barrel pistols and specifically has it on the box ,they are best. for deep penetration, and carry them in my pocket 22 lr pistols,Aguila supermaximum both in hollow points and Fmj 1750 fps might be better in a rifle, not sure what they do in short barrel though have stinger in my rifle and Aguila supermaximum and viper
@13BravoBiggunsM110SP I've been trying to locate some federal punch locally but so far no luck. Probably just have to get online and get some headed this way.
I wonder how much velocity one could get by hand loading the.25 with the Hornady.35 grain bullet with Superformance powder?
I would guess a lot. The 25naa runs pretty fast. With 35gr bullet handloads, i would expect a huge jump in performance.
Got to love a raven 💥💥
That's right!
How much the price
The price of the Raven 25 is considerably less than the pt22 although both are pretty cheap compared to the most popular pistols like glock, sig, etc. Both of these can be found for well under $200.
PT22 appears to have a longer barrel. That will make a significant difference.
It's also worth noting that in these minor calibre pistols a bullet that tumbles on impact is going to do significantly more damage.
The barrels are nearly identical. The pt22 having an open slide just gives the appearance of looking a tad longer. I agree on a tumbling round causing more damage if penetration isn't impeded by it. In the water jug test they did exactly the same. Both were caught on the backside by the T shirt. I really think in a bad situation they would be equals. Thanks for watching and thanks for commenting.
Knot in wood restricts penetration accuracy. The wood surrounding the knot is harder by far than the rest of the wood.
I did another video because of the knot. It ended up being pretty much a draw. Thanks for watching.
The 25 went in harder wood under the knot "fair" round two?
I did give it another go. It's on the channel. After doing it several times I would give a slight edge to 22 using hot ammo and dead even using mini mags or equivalent. Neither as good as 380 but both better than a sharp stick and cuss words. Lol
@@573reviews sweet, thank you for the video love those mouse gun battles
As someone who owned a Beretta .25 bobcat, find something in .22 Mag at least. It’s cheaper and more effective.
That's an approach I hadn't thought of. 22 mag ammo is half the cost of 25acp and I'd say the NAA mini would be a good comparison to see. Thank you.
The water jug test video puts these 2 diminutive cartridges as equals.
Of the two. I’d choose neither!
LOL. I'd choose the raven. Mostly because for a $75 dollar pistol it's been 100% reliable and is accurate. This particular pt22 has been problematic. Extremely problematic. Thanks for the comment.
Good test, very nice!👍
Thank you very much and thanks for checking out the channel. Hopefully we have some other videos you'll like.
@@573reviews I've always been a fan of small toys. Good luck and many new videos!
@DiavoloDiavolo-of8ur I appreciate it. I've always liked pocket pistols. Even the "ring of fire" pistols of the 80's and 90's.
bet the 25acp being near the knot slowed the penetration's a bit.
Your bet is right. I had to redo the test. I finally called it a tie. If I do 6 tests, they both win 3.
Either are better than the .45 you left at home.
That's what I'm saying! I'd take either over nothing any day of the week. Thanks for watching and commenting. Be sure to check out the Sig vs Glock torture/ follow up video and comment for a chance to win a Gerber knife.
I love the black one would love to buy it.
The little PT22 has been a love/hate ordeal. Out of the box it needed some TLC to get running decently. I like them even though it's finicky about what ammo it will run with. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Not being a smart ass here but the 25 is closer to the knot in the wood than the 22. So you figure that out.
In another comment I talked about that. I shot them both on the same end with the exact results when going through cardboard first. Without cardboard in front of board they performed identical. It seemed the 25 started to tumble in the cardboard media before exiting so that prevented it from penetrating as far. The 22 didn't tumble in cardboard so went a little further. Should have videoed it all but figured it would be boring as hell. No hard feelings at all and I really appreciate your comment.
Very nice gun
Thank you and thanks for watching.
Looks like the. 25s barrel is shot out
Ravens weren't the epitome of quality so its probably wonky from the factory. They're still cool though. Lol
А какой дешевле-то?
The Raven is much cheaper to buy but way more expensive to shoot.
25 is not one i would bet my life on. Its heavier not enough power to compensate. They often tumble. Anyone raised in a gun family got a brick of 22lr at christmas. Never had a misfire. A stovepipe. Wed shoot from time we get up till dark. 22 accurate for sights or point shooters. Wed take 100 clothes pins sit on the porch that was same height as the clothes line and hip shoot or lap shoot. Might miss 3 out of 100 by 10 years old. 55 and still do it
The ammo availability and price is what separates the 2 calibers for sure. Practice is the most important thing with little pocket pistols. As far as the bricks of 500 in 22, those were always the ones we had a few duds in. Mom would threaten us with our lives about shooting her clothes pins off the line so we would pick up all the shotgun shell hulls we could find and have a field day shooting. Sounds like you had a great childhood.
@@573reviews firearms red necks and little kids. What's not to love? I got my first motorcycle at 2. I got my first zip gun at 6 from a hit man I knew as uncle chock. Gave me a blood stained switchblade for 8th birthday. First rifle 1022 ruger at 8. Mod choke 20 GA Harrington Richardson at 9. What did they give me to bird hunt with that year? A full choke 3" mag 10 ga! I wasn't allowed to shoot until the others missed as the dove flew over I was the sniper. If the 5 grown men missed then I was to reach way out there and blast their butts off. Growing up with a musician dad driving Italian and brit rides running around back stage or sitting in bars at 3am when I have history class in 4 hours. Or coming in late smelling like weed and falling asleep in Mrs Nelson's class because I was hanging out with the Doogie brothers in the studio night after night or 3 dog night seemed normal. Finding out Mrs Nelson the snootieist uptight teacher on earth was a closet r&b lover and loved dad's music still has me fd up. Growing up I thought I've got the coolest parents on earth. Then I got older and realized those assholes had life insurance on me. Sure son you can use an umbrella to safely land on the driveway if you jump off the second floor roof.
A gel black would have given a more accurate interpretation.
I agree but we are poor folk and just shoot whatever we can scrounge up. I'm thinking of doing some soaked newspapers. Not sure how that would correlate but it's still fun to see. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Tengo los 2 calibres. Una bersa modelo 23 de los 90 toda acero 22 mm con munición hiper velocidad Remington punta hueca es muy segura y cumple su función y en 25 o 6.35 tengo una Astra Cub la uso con munición punta redonda la hueca no me dio mucho resultado, para portarla es invisible... Igual no son calibres para enfrentar a 2 o 3 delincuentes armados. Son para recreación la 22 y ambas te pueden sacar de un apuro con un ratero, aunque cualquiera de las 2 en la cabeza o centro de maza te pueden mandar al otro mundo.
I've heard good things about the Bersa and have shot one in 380. The Astra Cub is small enough to be carried all the time and while 25acp may not be a powerful round I can't think of anyone that wants to get hit by one. Stay safe and thank you for checking out the channel and commenting. 👍
The knot would make the difference
It did end up making some but between these 2 little cartridges it's a wash 9 times out of 10. Still fun to shoot stuff with them though. Thsnksnfor watching and commenting.
That 25 went into the board closer to that knot, also it was sideways, I'd bet the 25 won that shoot off.
A lot of people shared your opinion so we did several more test. Turns out it can go either way. The other test were all back and forth with one seeming to have an advantage then the next test the other would pull ahead. The only 2 certain things we came away with is 25acp has more reliable ignition being centerfire and 22 LR is cheaper. Thanks for watching and commenting.
.25 rimfire would be ausome. Sometimes the past is t the future
Wasn't there a 6.5mm rimfire or something like that a long time ago?
@@573reviewsthere was Allsorts or rimfire cartridge. Think it's Reddy for a comeback
I once chased down N shot a crackhead 9 times still didn't go die with a 9mmb cocaine is one hell of a drug
Ummmm..... well I hope you were able to relocate to a safer area. Yes, I've heard drugs can make a person a bit harder to deter from acting a fool for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The raven is best weapon made...for shooting yourself in your junk! The fire as well with safety on as well as off. I found out my mom was carying one and i swapped her my grendel p10380 and gave the raven to an asshole that owed me money.
The raven should be carried with an empty chamber. It's faster to rack the slide on it than engage that tiny safety. I'd wager the raven is just as reliable as the little kel tecs when shooting on the range. As far as $50 pistols go, it's best one I've come across. Lol
@@573reviews there was finally a class action suit against them due to the safeties being useless. One of my best friends in high-school had a cop dad. Always had his Jennings 22 stuck in his pants above his junk. I told him so many times he'd shoot his junk off. Walking thru dfw airport behind him when I hear a muffled bang as he slumps over groaning. I leaned in and said I told you! So how do you wanna play this? He gritted and we went to the bathroom. He didn't want his mom dad (shep and midge) or John Tracey or his wife to know so It would be our secret. Lucky me. Well he took both pieces to get worked on , that's as detailed as I'm getting one he doesn't Cary any more , not sure which that is to be honest. He still walks like John Wayne since that day. Ahh good times.
@David Reynolds I would never carry a raven with one in the pipe. For one the sliding safety is basically a dull razor blade. Another reason is I don't think the safety is internally strong. But a lot of folks carry on an empty chamber with even modern firearms. With that said, I'd rather have a raven than a sharp stick and a harsh word.
@@573reviews ive got over 300 in my collection. I do not now or ever will own one and if someone ever tries to give me one i will punch them in the mouth because that would be proof they hate me and want me dead.
the black 1 look better
More modern for sure.
@@573reviews I myself like the lil 25 on looks plus don't see many around these days ..I love 22 caliber though it's my favorite round ..so dang fun and cheap to shoot .. federal makes some pretty good bulk ammo , of course CCI'S great too some of the best ..good video sir , have a good one
@Randy Hardy you said exactly how I feel about the 25 and 22. The 22 makes more sense but the 25 is just cool.
The European 25acp ammo are hotter
I didn't know that. Is it available for the american market or is it not imported?
Duel Weild
That would probably be the best way to use these little pistols. 2 at a time and then run. Thanks for watching and commenting.
.22 is less reliable.
I agree to a certain extent. The CCI stingers, mini mags and velocitors have been 100% so far. That said I would trust the 25acp ammo to go bang over any rimfire.
short & useful
Thank you and thanks for the comment.
A 25 whimpy .
Oh man, that's just cold. Lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.