Been made to do this by work for the last year, you wouldn’t believe how many council houses electrics trip on the loop impedance test 👍. We get audited loads too 😀
Well being a council house that should get tested every five years by an electrician but as being a gas engineer you have to go in there every year they will get you to test everything, it’s part of the tenancy agreements allowing for an annual service of the boiler so why are you there test the electric, smoke alarm, co alarm, check the loft lagging etc
Thanks for the video and time put in Allen. Great that your showing this, should be incorporated into the ACS, there has been plenty of times over the years where I have had a back feed to the boiler.
I use the socket and see, I put a clear insulation mat over the pcb when testing where necessary. To be extra safe. Some of the baxi’s had built in socket and see point.
Nothing else just money making.. next year every Gas Engineer has to be level 3 Sparky as well... Proving Unit starts at 110£, and loads of sparky not even ever use and not required just recommending. Love your video you are absolutely amazing engineer please don't misunderstand I mean loads of bullshit it that safe isolation procedure. Anyway to protect my ass I just done I level 3 Domestic Electrical Installer course for 1300 over 9 weeks, so thats cover every engineer ass if you do the right way, but again all about money money money... 👍👍👍 Also I do not like that socket and see thing... trust always Megger or Fluke or Kewtech.. All the best 👍👍
You can get self proving testers now for under £50. TIS 851. Problem solved. You don't need to do earth fault loop impedance for isolation. Safe isolation is checking the power has been isolated. You do not need to check the earth path to the sub station to isolate. If you didn't safe isolate it might be handy to know as it could indicate whether you live or die !
Thanks for your video Allen.I currently use my Multi Meter for safe isolation . Why do I need to use extra equipment for this purpose ? Also I just completed CCN1 Reassesment but they never mentioned Safe Isolation Procedures. Anyway thanks again for your video it’s certainly a worthwhile topic.
The electricians guidance for isolation testing devices is GS38 which is free to download. Outside of this document it is said that Multimeters have lots of settings so they are not suitable as it may accidentally be switched to the wrong one.
When testing earth n live. why connect earth first then live. What happens if you connect live first then earth? When testing neutral n live, why connect neutral then live. What happens when connect live first then neutral? Thanks
A. You forgot to tell us the price of the text equipment. B. As you spend half the video rubbing your hands is it best we don't know. C. What text equipment do I need before operating my dishwasher or washing machine. D. Is there a piece of test equipment to measure the static from my dog rubbing it's arse across a man made fabric carpet?
John Cox You can use any products you like. Personally I feel this is a really good video to show the new TB118, We now need to do this as part of our ACS. I wasn’t paid anything for the video and would like to invite any brand along to show products 👍 Thanks for the comments though.
Where in TB 118 is the as operative instructed to perform a 'safety toch test' or an earth loop impedance test or a polarity test - the ONLY 'procedure' derined in TB 118 is the Safe Isolation procedure ! This video does nothing more than add to the confusion within the industry because TB 118 is ill-conceived, misguided, misworded, inaccurate and contains an unforgivably dangerous bunch of words - it should be no more than 2 pages long and explain what is in the title of the TB - a SAFE ISOLATION PROCEDURE ! The objective is simple - prove the test gear good, isolate the appliance, prove the appliance is dead and then perform a confidence test of the equipment to prove it is still good. Th edocument has opened the flood gates for test gear manufacturers to sell kit for checks that are NOT required to keep the gas operative safe ....
Overly complex and a sales pitch. If you look at HSE GS38 and HSG85 these will tell you what the requirements are for safe isolation and Best Practice Guide 2 will tell you how to do it. And no point testing for dead if you don't lock the circuit off. Only takes a moment of distraction and a nosey customer to turn the supply back on when you're working on it.
If you can only isolate at the consumer unit then you must lock off. He didn't have to as he could remove the fuse which is correct. If it was plugged in then remove the fuse from the plug.
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Been made to do this by work for the last year, you wouldn’t believe how many council houses electrics trip on the loop impedance test 👍. We get audited loads too 😀
Well being a council house that should get tested every five years by an electrician but as being a gas engineer you have to go in there every year they will get you to test everything, it’s part of the tenancy agreements allowing for an annual service of the boiler so why are you there test the electric, smoke alarm, co alarm, check the loft lagging etc
Thanks for the video and time put in Allen. Great that your showing this, should be incorporated into the ACS, there has been plenty of times over the years where I have had a back feed to the boiler.
Thank You
Thanks Alan and Andrew this was really clear and helpful video to cover the tb118 keep up the great work and keep up the vids
Thank you so much,
Can you do a video on what to do if any of the stages fail the test
That,s a very good idea. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 and how to classify it .
www.vipergas.co.uk/shop/products/socket-and-see-DLMPRO-combined-DMM-loop-socket-tester
I use the socket and see, I put a clear insulation mat over the pcb when testing where necessary. To be extra safe.
Some of the baxi’s had built in socket and see point.
Eco Blue advanced heat, BG boilers.
Nothing else just money making.. next year every Gas Engineer has to be level 3 Sparky as well... Proving Unit starts at 110£, and loads of sparky not even ever use and not required just recommending. Love your video you are absolutely amazing engineer please don't misunderstand I mean loads of bullshit it that safe isolation procedure. Anyway to protect my ass I just done I level 3 Domestic Electrical Installer course for 1300 over 9 weeks, so thats cover every engineer ass if you do the right way, but again all about money money money... 👍👍👍 Also I do not like that socket and see thing... trust always Megger or Fluke or Kewtech.. All the best 👍👍
Thank you so much for the feedback. We do not have a choice as it’s part of the ACS now.
You can get self proving testers now for under £50. TIS 851. Problem solved. You don't need to do earth fault loop impedance for isolation. Safe isolation is checking the power has been isolated. You do not need to check the earth path to the sub station to isolate. If you didn't safe isolate it might be handy to know as it could indicate whether you live or die !
Great video 👍
Thank You
So as Gas engineers we check the electrics as well as Gas so do electricians test the gas as well as the electrics?
It looks like boiler services are going up in price .
Does proverbs have to be tested or checked by a professional on a yearly basis .
Why would the price go up?
this stuff has become far too complicated. get your tester out, check for voltage, proceed. done.
clive ramsbotty Do you mean multimeter?
Some Old system set ups run on double fuse, not worth getting a belt 😂
Thanks is really good to know
Thank You
can you use the entry level socket and see to do the safe isolation test , or must you use the double pole vip150
Cheers for the vid , helpful!
Thanks for your video Allen.I currently use my Multi Meter for safe isolation .
Why do I need to use extra equipment for this purpose ?
Also I just completed CCN1 Reassesment but they never mentioned Safe Isolation Procedures.
Anyway thanks again for your video it’s certainly a worthwhile topic.
I can only tell you what TB118 says. We have a new video coming soon though and that shows a different way. Thats with a Multi Meter. Thanks
The electricians guidance for isolation testing devices is GS38 which is free to download. Outside of this document it is said that Multimeters have lots of settings so they are not suitable as it may accidentally be switched to the wrong one.
Thanks guys
Thanks 🙏
When testing earth n live. why connect earth first then live. What happens if you connect live first then earth?
When testing neutral n live, why connect neutral then live. What happens when connect live first then neutral?
Thanks
Replying to see the answer
A. You forgot to tell us the price of the text equipment.
B. As you spend half the video rubbing your hands is it best we don't know.
C. What text equipment do I need before operating my dishwasher or washing machine.
D. Is there a piece of test equipment to measure the static from my dog rubbing it's arse across a man made fabric carpet?
Thank You
Alan i seen this video 5 minutes in for a minute i thought youd dropped a couple of stone and had the duraglit on your napper mate 🤣🤣
ERIC THE KING THE KING THE KING Andrew is a slim Allen Artt 😂😂😂😂
@@AllenHart999
You should of got him to say im here today we alan art 🤣🤣
Hi Allen can you do a continuity test with the VIP 150 tester thanks
So is the prove use prove the only thing they are adding to the acs or is it more than that?
They have made electrical checks part of the ACS now. Thanks.
Just a very long advert .
John Cox You can use any products you like. Personally I feel this is a really good video to show the new TB118, We now need to do this as part of our ACS. I wasn’t paid anything for the video and would like to invite any brand along to show products 👍 Thanks for the comments though.
This is just like getting an electrician to do a gas service getting beyond a joke at gas safe 🙄
👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks.
Where in TB 118 is the as operative instructed to perform a 'safety toch test' or an earth loop impedance test or a polarity test - the ONLY 'procedure' derined in TB 118 is the Safe Isolation procedure ! This video does nothing more than add to the confusion within the industry because TB 118 is ill-conceived, misguided, misworded, inaccurate and contains an unforgivably dangerous bunch of words - it should be no more than 2 pages long and explain what is in the title of the TB - a SAFE ISOLATION PROCEDURE ! The objective is simple - prove the test gear good, isolate the appliance, prove the appliance is dead and then perform a confidence test of the equipment to prove it is still good. Th edocument has opened the flood gates for test gear manufacturers to sell kit for checks that are NOT required to keep the gas operative safe ....
Overly complex and a sales pitch.
If you look at HSE GS38 and HSG85 these will tell you what the requirements are for safe isolation and Best Practice Guide 2 will tell you how to do it.
And no point testing for dead if you don't lock the circuit off. Only takes a moment of distraction and a nosey customer to turn the supply back on when you're working on it.
Thank You
If you can only isolate at the consumer unit then you must lock off. He didn't have to as he could remove the fuse which is correct. If it was plugged in then remove the fuse from the plug.
And more money money money
Thank You
Anyone got a part number for the central heating panel 😂👍
Good video tho thank you
Plumber Time Thank you so much for watching. 👍
I wasn’t being snide mate 👍 just a little humour 👌🏻
Plumber Time 👍👍👍
How much is that lot
Not really sure TBH. Thanks.
Feel free to drop me a email arron.blythe@vipergas.co.uk can help 📦🤝
Ours were £800
Pross130 is good enough and is £400
Not £800
The DLMPRO is about £299
Voltage pen £22
The two pole tester and proving units start from £110
Wasn’t it easy when boilers were on 3 pin plugs, pull it out job done.
Timmy Gasman You could still get a shock if someone had wired external controls into boiler.
Non uk here (Australia), what changed to make your boilers hard wired?
Is this a teach video or a sales pitch. Talk about over complicating things
The video is to talk about TB118, Clearly when i invite manufacturers onto the channel it will also help with sales for them. Thanks.
Allen you're amazing gas engineer why you do agina video with vokera?? Are you install.that shit🤔🤔
I don’t really understand what you are saying or asking Dan, Sorry?
@@AllenHart999 are you install vokera???
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Great video 👍
Thanks.
Would you like anymore like this.
@@AllenHart999 Yes please I definitely need to get up to speed thanks Allen
@@chrisi970 Let me know which bits you would like to know more and I will try and sort it for you. Many thanks.