People out here talking about limitations of the M240, I'm out here still shooting with an M9. There's something to be said about knowing your gear and working within constraints to boost your creativity. Great video.
Creativity can also benefit from expanded choices offered by a more versatile tool... how many people that can buy a smartphone actually stay with a flip one? ;O) The one with the smartphones are more likely to use their creativity taking photographs than the ones without camera possibilities on their phones. If I agree that circumstances should not hinder creativity, it is definitely true both ways and there are creative things we can do with a more versatile tool that we cannot do with a limited one. In other words creativity is not a matter of tools but a matter of users/creators. A good creator with a good tool will be more creative than a bad creator with a bad tool (in other words, the bad tool will nor turn a lack of creativity into something better! ;o) Let us stick to the real issues.
Nice video! I shoot M240 and if i could i would go for M10-D, but from all my wedding, sports and studio work, I can't say i actualy need anything better. Btw. i shot some b-roll videos with m240 for a client, and it ended so that everyone in the production loved the leica colors much more than anything we were getting from other 3 sony cameras, so we worked our asses of to try and mimic that in postproduction... I think people change cameras too often lately, chasing something in specs instead of letting the tool became a part of you and improoving the skill instead of the tool. I remember first getting some manual lenses for Canon 5D years ago and practising manual focus on my dog chasing around the back yard, that became very useful once I started doing weddings and sports, street photography also... cheers!
You nailed it. Up until recently I had the MP240 and exchanged the same for an M10P. There is more aesthetic value to the 240 finished product than the M10. I just find the M10 more clinical. I miss my 240. I have no doubt I will buy one more soon.
Subscribed and liked! I was waiting for exactly a video like this. I am with you regarding all reasons. I have the M-E 240 and it actually uses the same 2 GB buffer as the M-P 240 and the M 10.
I have both M10 and MP240. IMO, they are the same camera but MP240 gives me much better handing like the ability to quickly change ISO (even though I rarely use it). The only reason I pick up M10 more is it has a slightly better view for a 35mm frame line for someone who wears glasses like myself.
I have an M240p, currently off getting serviced. I use the oly evf for wide angle lenses. It’s a lovely but if kit. I’d consider upgrading for better high iso, thinner and iso dial. Hanging onto it fir the time being.
I wanted to upgrade my M240 and bought a demo M-P240 instead of an M10. The price wasn't an issue, but I had an EVF, a microphone and four batteries for the M240 and could not use them on the M10. On the 240 you can go from single to continue just by the on/off switch, on the 10 you've to go thru the menu. Of course you also can shoot sport with an M, depends on, what kind of sport and how close you can get to the subject. The M240 and M-P240 are still very attractive even for a press photographer like me. Keep on rolling!
Yes but from a press photographer to another, the ISO possibilities of the M10 are a very valuable gift compared to those of the M240. Finally I could leave my Nikon at home when going out at night or indoors.
I love my M10-D, but I would be very happy with an M240 if I couldn't afford an M10. I used to own a Q and that represents great value in the world of Leica.
Agreed heartily. I shoot both the 246 and M10M professionally and while the M10M is hard to beat, the 246 has a rendering quality with certain lenses that is pure heaven and that’s just that. And your points about buffering, WiFi, focus, …. Ehhh those never enter my mind when it comes to this type of imagery. If you’re worried about those things, don’t buy a Leica. Don’t fret over the details. Just go about whatever it is you do - these are not for you. As a footnote, on a recent shoot, my 246 on continuous DNG+JPG I had no problems for plenty of short bursts of 6-10 shots easily. And the M10M choked and froze several times. My 246, she’s a brick, but she’s my favorite,!
How does the Olympus evf 2 differ from the Leica version? I don’t really use mine much anymore I’ve gotten familiar enough w my equipment so I don’t really need it even in low light. And honestly the 246 does just fine in most conditions - although the M10M is hard to compete with it’s not a fair comparison. I just love how the 240 and 246 render most lens pairings. Also the 240/246 are the only Ms w video and also can be tethered and charged w the MF handgrip which I find essential.
How can a digital camera look "analog" especially in color when color rendition is far superior and reliable than what it was on film (who wants faulty analog???), as for "artistic" it has never been the tool but the hand, mind and heart that uses it.
Hehehe, love the video. I was wondering what you would bring up to substantiate your statement but most of the things are solid. Love the autofocus joke LMAO Pity the sensor tend to shift to magenta sometimes but that is easily corrected in post. Thanks for sharing
I have an M3 and an M6 - so Leica lenses as well. Would you still recommend the 240? I’m looking at color images. What would you recommend for just B&W (this would be a far consideration, but mainly curious). Thanks.
@@sandpiperphotogallery7178 I love color - weird, but as deep as B&W is, it reminds me of people/ moments that are no longer with us. You know, every time they show photos of people, the B&W is always the one that passed. So, after this pandemic thing, that sort of crept up. So, as much as I love how much character is captured in B&W, I’ve been doing all color now. Strange, but oh well. So, first I’m think of going with a color Leica (so I’ll do more thinking about the 240). I’m not opposed to B&W digital, so I think in time, I’ll start doing that again. So, which one did you think would be good for a B&W Leica? Thanks for the responses!
@@ark8tct To be honest, I have never used any B&W Leica camera. So I am not the right person who can recommend one for you. But I would get M240 since it can shoot B&W as well. ;)
I once was thinking about a Monochrome but after asking advice from several people that have hands-on experience the conclusion was that I better upgraded from my M9 to an M240 and shoot in BW on the 240 instead of buying the M9 Monochrom. So I did, and although you could argue that if you only can shoot in bw it will make you see things differently, I love to have the option in post to choose bw or color.
I have been a Fujifilm shooter for many years with the X100 and X-Pro line of camera's. I'm in the middle of getting my first Leica range finder and it was recommended by many to get a M240.
I have been a Fujifilm shooter, as well. If you know the value of Fujifilm, you will love Leica, too. I'm joining the group of people who recommend you to get an M240. ;)
If it is not only a matter of budget the M10 is just a more advanced and as such a better camera (closer to the original M experience too, so tradition and present technology).
I was thinking to sell all my Sony gears & godox light to buy a Leica M10 or MP240 or M240? Which one will you recommend? I have been using my Sony A7iv + Minolta 58mm manual vintage lens more than my gm lens, & some people starts to question me why? I just don’t how to explain it to them but I feel more happy & aesthetic shooting portraits with the vintage lens. ❤
Although I said I chose M240 over M10, I think it makes more sense to get M10 for you. Since you already experienced A7IV, you may not happy with the image quality of M240.
Well Said! The touch screen the Wi-Fi and the buffering lol… If we wanted all these… a cheapo Sony Alpha Series with almost one third of the price of M240 will do these jobs! Well said!
Touch screen and wi-fi, I do not think that this is what has convinced M10 buyers: better ISO, better sensor, better buffer can be a plus (once you have experienced your M240 stalling after taking 4 or 5 pictures in a row and having to wait until it records the files), return to the size of a camera that made what Leica has been since 1954 may have.
I would agree on all counts. The only things I wish I could change on my M-P Typ 240 is vastly improve its meter (it is badly fooled by contrasty scenes, and its AWB (easily fixed in post but a hassle). Your color photos are gorgeous and very filmic. How do you process them?
Very nice! Just found your channel. Subscribed and 🔔 turned on. May I ask, how do you get the shutter sounds? Are those actual or did you just pull the sound effect off somewhere? Also, what gear do you use to film (camera, tripod, and perhaps the mic)? Thanks!
I shoot with a Leica M Type 262, which find excellent for my use. I certainly would never buy an M camera for video, I've plenty of other cameras for that. Still, I wouldn't mind getting into an M 10. But I get your point.
Seems like a great idea and saving the money could be invested in what really matter, the glass. Then later after building a nice glass collection, if it still mattered, upgrade the body.
I agree with your conclusions. Indeed, no one would pick a Leica (even SL2) over a Sony, Nikon or Canon for fast paced photos. When I use my Leica I am taking photos slowly and carefully. What type of photos one takes has a great impact on what type of camera that one uses. I have used the M10 (not M11 unfortunately) and own the M240. I can see the advantages of each. Pick the camera that fits your style of photography.
this is just ill informed opinion. street photography is very fast paced. using zone focusing you get instant pics with the M10 M11 or really, even autofocus cameras if you switch them to manual. there are downsides of course, but speed isn't one of them. now for sports, yep... leica is not for sports, yet, the sl3 will take care of that market this fall :)
I still use an M8 and am very happy with it. An M240 would certainly be welcomed but I'd keep both Ms as they are different in rendering. Thanks for the vid!
You're right abt the M240... besides: The lens is much more important. And base ISO is used. Always in any digi cam. The high ISO performance comes from the firmware. I always shoot base ISO.
I agree 100% to your arguments and I do love my m240. The one that you don t give is probably the more painful for the m10 (and can be applied also to the overpriced m11). Take a picture with the 2 cameras , print them in 20*30cm and compare them… and you will have big difficulties to find which is which and which is the best… so is it really worth the 4K euros différence ? I don t have any issues with people who have the budget for an m10 or an m11 but one true thing is that the pleasure to take pictures with an m240 is huge… and I don t need more.
Well try your test at any ISO equal or superior to 800 (I just had to do that 2 days ago as the weather was really crappy) and you will actually see the difference. Plus why limit yourself to 20x30 cm ? ;o) There is definitely not a 4K difference between a used M240 and a used M10 (let us compare apples to apples), and there might be a huger pleasure in taking pictures with an M10 (at least the assurance that we have a few extra steps of possibilities). Do not get me wrong, coming from a film M, I was not convinced by the Leica Ms (M8 and 9, with all their sensor blunders and issues) until the M240 convinced me to take the step as soon as I could find a good used one... I did the same for my now M10 and I do not regret it (and would not go back).
@@BrunoChalifour I think it was more of a purist camera compared to the M10. Since then, the M10-d and the M11 came out so it’s obviously a bit of a no-brainer nowadays.
@@injeolmi6 Why "a purist camera"? On what ground? The M240 is the only one with video, I do not think that qualifies it as "purist." ? A noisier shutter than the following M10 if not M6? Slow buffering? For me what makes a purist camera is under your finger commands/dials for aperture (aperture ring), shutter speed (shutter speed dial), accessible ISO (and for digital cameras, White Balance) command, and manual focus... which all M models share. So what could make the M240 a more purist camera? Definitely not video that was removed from the following (then, as a result, more purist) models in order to be able to reduce the size of the camera to the original size of the film Ms (and which only with the models following the M240 and not the 240). In my mind if there are "purist" digital M, they are the M10, M10-P, M10 monochrome, and M10R.
Hey, that is the fact. For years, the LEICA people were desperately seeking and demanding by asking the LEICA Management to come up with some sort of a solution to make full sensor camera, where they can use the R and M lenses, The DMR come, but that was the half of the road. The CMOS Sensor was with e LIVE WIEW feature was necessary to be able to do it. the LEICA M, Type M240 with M to R Lens Adapter was born. that was IT! The rest is history.
How is it better than a Q if you pair it with a 28 mm? Just be aware that, even as a financial argument (that is mentioned in the video in the comparison between the M240 and the M10) an M240 (being older than a Q) with a 28 summilux (f 1.4) is far more expensive than a Q.
@@goorackerelite How is that "too dark"? There is. nothing subjective the M10's superiority in dynamic range over the M240, as well as the well-improved behaviour with high ISO.
That’s a good point. I had both and found that overall luminosity was darker with the m10. It did retrieve more details, but looked more “digital” to my eyes
@@goorackerelite Yes, something I noted too. The M240 because of the uniqueness of its sensor (designed in Belgium, produced in France) has a smoother color rendition (not unlike the difference between Leica/Hasselblad lenses and Nikon/Canon lenses for film) than the M10 or Q (more like most cameras now because the sensors come from a big Japanese sensor manufacturer🪂).
Bought my M240 in 2015 - no desire to upgrade. I mainly print only 5x7 or 6x8 and the images are great. (I also use an old Canon 5d mk1 - images are fantastic from that too!)
Definitely not better handling for most Leica users (especially old ones used to film Ms), bulky and somewhat lame, and that is why Leica spent hundreds of thousands of dollars going back to the original size. Battery is better but having two is even better and allows one to use a better tool (M10). I cannot remember when I bought a camera for its battery life ;o). Better price, yes no doubt, better technology has a price.
Now, I don't have any digital leica, and probably never will as I can't afford them, but if there was any limitations then it would be with the photographer and not the equipment. If people feel this camera or that camera was inadequate for their needs, then they have bought the wrong tool for the job.
If money were not an issue I would get the M10, it's a no brainer. I say this not because it is technically better, I say it because it feels like a film camera in hand. Leica lenses are second to none but I can adapt them to both my Fuji's and Nikon Z5, but IMO nothing beats the focus of the Leica range finder. I have an M8 and would love the M10, perhaps when the M11 comes out.
@@Funktrainer Absolutely NOT: smaller dynamic range and in terms of colors they can easily be met with a preset/profile that you can create and apply when importing your images (unless you strictly keep them on your camera ;o).
@@BrunoChalifour It's not a myth, it's a fact I tried the M (Typ 240) and was absolutely not impresses by those CMOS colours. These files are harder to edit but it depends on what your photographs should look like. The M10-R is better but still a little off. Colour tweaking CCD files is a lot easier as there are more colours in the files. Especially early CMOS sensors like those of the Nikon D3 for example are very colourblind.
It is. Not only that but the colors are not faithful to reality. As for the D3 I used one for years and never saw the “color blindness” you mention. But I agree not as good as the sensor on the M10.
Again: The LEICA MP Type 240 is the most revolutionary M camera body, ever. If do not own the camera, there is no place for me to discuss about this subject with you. The list is too long, so I am trying to be concise and brief about this subject. Even the visio feature itself is one of the reasons, too! Goodby!
Baha little autofocus jab 🤣 For daylight shooting, they're SO similar. With the same settings and lens, hard pressed to see a difference. So for some shooters, the m240 is kind of a half priced M10. M240 has something a little extra special for those who JPEG though, imo.
Let us face it there are only three valid arguments in favor of the M240: cost, video and the tones of the JPGs straight out of the camera (softer than the punchier M10 but those can easily be adjusted in post and even automatically with a saved preset/profile). If all was just a matter of cost we would be eating at McDonald's all the time and wearing $2.50 T-shirts made in Vietnam 20 years ago and $10 jeans made in India or Pakistan. Not that there is anything wrong with these but it is just not exactly what happens and most of us also take quality into account and end up balancing budget and quality. [By the way, if what matters is really cost then why buy a Leica, it does not make much sense does it? ;o) Then why I moved from an M240 to an M10 (although I like the colors of the M240 JPGs... but, again, as said earlier, I can easily create a preset that I use when importing my images from my M10 to match them): the reason is simple quality and versatility. Ergonomics too, coming from an M6 the M240 has always felt too bulky and I am glad that Leica went back to a film M size (the cause being that I was probably not the only one with such a wish as it probably did not make Leica's work easier). Now at 400 but definitely at 800 ISO I can see the difference in quality between the two cameras, past that the M240 files explode (color, dynamic range, noise) and the M10 is definitely a better asset. So better sensor (dynamic range too). Better buffer (I have found myself waiting for the M240 to digest several raw images taken in a row, and I am not speaking of sports photography at all). Better EVF (higher resolution, GPS, and few other small additions). One down-side for some with the M10 compared to the M240, the absence of video (but I do not do videos). So to sum up the points: M240 bulkier, older technology (in several areas) which hinders choices and possibilities, except for video, and so cheaper. M10 more recent and as a result better technology (better sensor ( high ISO and dynamic range), better EVF, faster buffer avoiding the stalling of the camera [which happened to me several times with the M240]), smaller size almost identical to the film Ms and better fit for my hands) but more expensive. Now, I start with the principle that what can do the most can do the least and that the opposite does not work. In other words, the M10 can do everything (except video) the M240 does, and can do it better... and the M240 cannot do what the M10 does... so the only real arguments left are cost and video. So let us not beat about the bush and let us call a spade a spade. The M240 is cheaper than the M10 and that and the video are its only advantages. So people who are either on a tight budget (and do not want to go on a financial limb which is fair, although I do not regret scraping for the various Leicas I once owned and even wish I had borrowed money earlier for my first one - my decision not to did not improve my budget by much but deprived me of the pleasure of using the excellence of a Leica for a few years) or want to have a range-finder that can allow them to shoot video from time to time (although it may not be the ideal camera for videos but it still offers that option) will go for the M240, the others should choose an M10..
@@sandpiperphotogallery7178 I can understand that. I remember using an M10 when it was released and that Leica let me keep for two days (so that I could do some street photography at night). I could not afford it at the time and I longed for it because of the expanded possibilities. It took a few years but I finally got a used one in a pristine state and I will sell my M240...
M240 has autofocus?….as depicted in no.7 autofocus..”according to Leica rumors, m240 autofocus is much faster than m10 (they have autofocus features as well?)
The reasons I prefer the Leica M8/M9 over the 240/M10: 1. Better and quicker UI with the thumb wheel and buttons one can excellently use with gloves. 2. A real bottom plate that lets you permanently attach a camera plate for quick tripod operation. 3. Colours are much easier to melk out of the CCD DNGs than out of the newer CMOS DNGs. 4. I never use liveview or an evf with a camera with a proper ovf. 5. 18,5 MP is more than enough. 6. I don’t shoot higher than ISO 1000.
1-Never had a problem with gloves either with M240 or M10 2-both M240 and M10 have a baseplate 3-the easiness of colors is just a myth, CCD colors can be mimicked by image taken with a CMOS sensor (and vice versa) it is just a matter of preset/color profile when importing them. And as for easiness and versatility, a wider dynamic range is very helpful. It so happens the M10's dynamic range is superior to that of the M8 or M9 (both CCds but of an older generation). 6. at 1000 ISO you see the difference between an M8/9 and an M10 and it does not take a photo scientist ;o)
@@BrunoChalifour 2 - just try to permanently attach an Arca camera plate and you will see what a joke these later baseplates are. The tripod thread in the camera body is just a stupid nogo.
@@Funktrainer You are right in the sense that the baseplate tripod mount does not look as sturdy as previous models but I have never had any problem with mine and let us face it I am not going to attach a 300 mm f 2.8 to an M camera.
@@BrunoChalifour It doesn't have to do with the sturdiness you always have to bring a tool with you on the later bottom plates to unmount the camera plate when you want to get to the battery or memory card. Pretty stupid from Leica.
Leica changed that issue with the M11. Now you have to attach a stupid grip to get Arca compatibility. At least you don't have to remove the grip to access the battery or memory card. Maybe the M12 gets a better solution like a permanent arca plate.
I had both. I sold the 240 after one month. I kept my M10 3 years. There is no comparaison possible for me. M240 was an error. The only good point is the battery.
There are only two good things about Leica. The first is marketing and the second are lenses. The rest is junk. For me, the myth of Leica as reliable cameras myth has completely collapsed. These are cameras that are very prone to failure and require extremely expensive servicing. I don't remember any manufacturer having such mishaps with their cameras.
The quality of the images says it all 😂😂😂 absolute junk. Pictures of people taking pictures of people at the beach? A playground? Lol why does this person even own a camera beyond their phone???
??? where do you get this information from??? I could only agree with you regarding the video possibilities that were eliminated with the following generations of Ms as most users did not have much need for video with an M and would rather have an M-sized (film M) digital M which required a lot of sophistication (not mentioning a more sophisticated sensor, EVF, buffer, etc...).
People out here talking about limitations of the M240, I'm out here still shooting with an M9. There's something to be said about knowing your gear and working within constraints to boost your creativity. Great video.
Creativity can also benefit from expanded choices offered by a more versatile tool... how many people that can buy a smartphone actually stay with a flip one? ;O) The one with the smartphones are more likely to use their creativity taking photographs than the ones without camera possibilities on their phones. If I agree that circumstances should not hinder creativity, it is definitely true both ways and there are creative things we can do with a more versatile tool that we cannot do with a limited one. In other words creativity is not a matter of tools but a matter of users/creators. A good creator with a good tool will be more creative than a bad creator with a bad tool (in other words, the bad tool will nor turn a lack of creativity into something better! ;o) Let us stick to the real issues.
I recently bought the m10 and still have the m240. They are both fine cameras, but I do like the handling of the m240 better.
Nice video! I shoot M240 and if i could i would go for M10-D, but from all my wedding, sports and studio work, I can't say i actualy need anything better. Btw. i shot some b-roll videos with m240 for a client, and it ended so that everyone in the production loved the leica colors much more than anything we were getting from other 3 sony cameras, so we worked our asses of to try and mimic that in postproduction... I think people change cameras too often lately, chasing something in specs instead of letting the tool became a part of you and improoving the skill instead of the tool. I remember first getting some manual lenses for Canon 5D years ago and practising manual focus on my dog chasing around the back yard, that became very useful once I started doing weddings and sports, street photography also... cheers!
If you accept this camera's limitation, it truly is a wonderful tool. I own an m10 and an m240, and I grab the m240 more than the m10.
Wow, interesting! Thank you for sharing your experience!
What do you like about the M240 more than the M10? I have a M9 and am thinking about getting a M240.
Well and I do the opposite: 5% M240 (until I resolve myself to selling it) and 95% M10.
Great video. I just got a ME240 recently and I've been loving it!
You nailed it. Up until recently I had the MP240 and exchanged the same for an M10P. There is more aesthetic value to the 240 finished product than the M10. I just find the M10 more clinical. I miss my 240. I have no doubt I will buy one more soon.
Subscribed and liked! I was waiting for exactly a video like this. I am with you regarding all reasons. I have the M-E 240 and it actually uses the same 2 GB buffer as the M-P 240 and the M 10.
I have both M10 and MP240. IMO, they are the same camera but MP240 gives me much better handing like the ability to quickly change ISO (even though I rarely use it). The only reason I pick up M10 more is it has a slightly better view for a 35mm frame line for someone who wears glasses like myself.
I have an M240p, currently off getting serviced. I use the oly evf for wide angle lenses. It’s a lovely but if kit. I’d consider upgrading for better high iso, thinner and iso dial. Hanging onto it fir the time being.
very clear and helpful. thank you!
Thank you for your informative video. It has convinced me to go for the M 240 in 2022 and not for the M10.
I wanted to upgrade my M240 and bought a demo M-P240 instead of an M10. The price wasn't an issue, but I had an EVF, a microphone and four batteries for the M240 and could not use them on the M10. On the 240 you can go from single to continue just by the on/off switch, on the 10 you've to go thru the menu. Of course you also can shoot sport with an M, depends on, what kind of sport and how close you can get to the subject. The M240 and M-P240 are still very attractive even for a press photographer like me. Keep on rolling!
Totally agree. Thank you for sharing your experience!
Yes but from a press photographer to another, the ISO possibilities of the M10 are a very valuable gift compared to those of the M240. Finally I could leave my Nikon at home when going out at night or indoors.
I love my M10-D, but I would be very happy with an M240 if I couldn't afford an M10. I used to own a Q and that represents great value in the world of Leica.
The M10D is so cool. I wish to get one but new, ... but nada.
The M10-D is a lot of fun!
Agreed heartily. I shoot both the 246 and M10M professionally and while the M10M is hard to beat, the 246 has a rendering quality with certain lenses that is pure heaven and that’s just that. And your points about buffering, WiFi, focus, …. Ehhh those never enter my mind when it comes to this type of imagery. If you’re worried about those things, don’t buy a Leica. Don’t fret over the details. Just go about whatever it is you do - these are not for you. As a footnote, on a recent shoot, my 246 on continuous DNG+JPG I had no problems for plenty of short bursts of 6-10 shots easily. And the M10M choked and froze several times. My 246, she’s a brick, but she’s my favorite,!
How does the Olympus evf 2 differ from the Leica version? I don’t really use mine much anymore I’ve gotten familiar enough w my equipment so I don’t really need it even in low light. And honestly the 246 does just fine in most conditions - although the M10M is hard to compete with it’s not a fair comparison. I just love how the 240 and 246 render most lens pairings. Also the 240/246 are the only Ms w video and also can be tethered and charged w the MF handgrip which I find essential.
What lenses pair well with m246 than m10m?
@@vadimhsu5114 The Olympus and the Leica EVF (for the M240) are identical.
Completely agree-across the board. Bought an M246 in 2024 for all your reasons. Love it.
Thank you so much!!! Straight to the point! Thank you my friend.
Very nice video mate.
I like how your 240 looks: like it was well loved!
M240 has the most amazing battery life of all the digital M's. Also, it has video. On a tripod, with a nice lens, it looks magical/analog/artistic.
How can a digital camera look "analog" especially in color when color rendition is far superior and reliable than what it was on film (who wants faulty analog???), as for "artistic" it has never been the tool but the hand, mind and heart that uses it.
Hehehe, love the video.
I was wondering what you would bring up to substantiate your statement but most of the things are solid.
Love the autofocus joke LMAO
Pity the sensor tend to shift to magenta sometimes but that is easily corrected in post.
Thanks for sharing
Never found a need to leave my M240 in all the years I have loved shooting it.
Pretty great comparison. Most of these are the same reason I’ve decided NOT to upgrade to the M10
Thank you, Kevin!
I have an M3 and an M6 - so Leica lenses as well.
Would you still recommend the 240?
I’m looking at color images.
What would you recommend for just B&W (this would be a far consideration, but mainly curious).
Thanks.
Wow, I am so jealous for your M6. I want one. Yes, I definitely recommend M240. But if you specifically shoot BW, how about monochrome model? lol
@@sandpiperphotogallery7178
I love color - weird, but as deep as B&W is, it reminds me of people/ moments that are no longer with us. You know, every time they show photos of people, the B&W is always the one that passed.
So, after this pandemic thing, that sort of crept up. So, as much as I love how much character is captured in B&W, I’ve been doing all color now.
Strange, but oh well.
So, first I’m think of going with a color Leica (so I’ll do more thinking about the 240).
I’m not opposed to B&W digital, so I think in time, I’ll start doing that again.
So, which one did you think would be good for a B&W Leica?
Thanks for the responses!
@@ark8tct To be honest, I have never used any B&W Leica camera. So I am not the right person who can recommend one for you. But I would get M240 since it can shoot B&W as well. ;)
@@sandpiperphotogallery7178
The M240 makes sense then.
Thanks again!
I once was thinking about a Monochrome but after asking advice from several people that have hands-on experience the conclusion was that I better upgraded from my M9 to an M240 and shoot in BW on the 240 instead of buying the M9 Monochrom. So I did, and although you could argue that if you only can shoot in bw it will make you see things differently, I love to have the option in post to choose bw or color.
Certainly during the summer I am finding that I am using my M9-P more than my M10-P and Q2.
I have been a Fujifilm shooter for many years with the X100 and X-Pro line of camera's. I'm in the middle of getting my first Leica range finder and it was recommended by many to get a M240.
I have been a Fujifilm shooter, as well. If you know the value of Fujifilm, you will love Leica, too. I'm joining the group of people who recommend you to get an M240. ;)
Get an M-P 240 if possible, because the buffer is bigger
If it is not only a matter of budget the M10 is just a more advanced and as such a better camera (closer to the original M experience too, so tradition and present technology).
I was thinking to sell all my Sony gears & godox light to buy a Leica M10 or MP240 or M240? Which one will you recommend?
I have been using my Sony A7iv + Minolta 58mm manual vintage lens more than my gm lens, & some people starts to question me why? I just don’t how to explain it to them but I feel more happy & aesthetic shooting portraits with the vintage lens. ❤
Although I said I chose M240 over M10, I think it makes more sense to get M10 for you. Since you already experienced A7IV, you may not happy with the image quality of M240.
My M-Typ 240 has been absolutely divine! The compliments I get from my images on my travel website have been all because of my M240.
I guess the way you use it might be a better argument ;o)
Great video. Thank you.
I agree on all your points 100%
Well Said! The touch screen the Wi-Fi and the buffering lol… If we wanted all these… a cheapo Sony Alpha Series with almost one third of the price of M240 will do these jobs! Well said!
Touch screen and wi-fi, I do not think that this is what has convinced M10 buyers: better ISO, better sensor, better buffer can be a plus (once you have experienced your M240 stalling after taking 4 or 5 pictures in a row and having to wait until it records the files), return to the size of a camera that made what Leica has been since 1954 may have.
I would agree on all counts. The only things I wish I could change on my M-P Typ 240 is vastly improve its meter (it is badly fooled by contrasty scenes, and its AWB (easily fixed in post but a hassle).
Your color photos are gorgeous and very filmic. How do you process them?
Thank you so much! I edit my photos in Lightroom. Just touch here and there.
Try to use Daylight instead of Auto. You won't get disappointed.
@@thomasgoetze Someone had suggested that to me a month or so ago and what a game changer that is! Thank you, too!
@@gottanikoncamera You're welcome!
Great shot and fruitful info at least for me.
Thank you!
Very nice!
Just found your channel.
Subscribed and 🔔 turned on.
May I ask, how do you get the shutter sounds? Are those actual or did you just pull the sound effect off somewhere?
Also, what gear do you use to film (camera, tripod, and perhaps the mic)?
Thanks!
I searched 'Leica M240 shutter sound' on RUclips and used only the sound. ;)
@@sandpiperphotogallery7178
Thanks for the response and the videos...
Look forward to more videos.
The LEICA MP, Type 240 is the most sophisticated M camera body, ever made to date!
Period!
I have been shooting M240p since it came out. Still enjoying it.
I shoot with a Leica M Type 262, which find excellent for my use. I certainly would never buy an M camera for video, I've plenty of other cameras for that. Still, I wouldn't mind getting into an M 10. But I get your point.
Where did you get that leather case from? What Brand?
Hi, I bought my M240 as a secondhand and the leather case was included. So I don't know the brand. It does not say anything on the case. Sorry.
I have my M240 with Olympus Evf for 18 months now. This is good enough for me. No need upgrade to M10.
Seems like a great idea and saving the money could be invested in what really matter, the glass. Then later after building a nice glass collection, if it still mattered, upgrade the body.
I agree with your conclusions. Indeed, no one would pick a Leica (even SL2) over a Sony, Nikon or Canon for fast paced photos. When I use my Leica I am taking photos slowly and carefully. What type of photos one takes has a great impact on what type of camera that one uses. I have used the M10 (not M11 unfortunately) and own the M240. I can see the advantages of each. Pick the camera that fits your style of photography.
this is just ill informed opinion. street photography is very fast paced. using zone focusing you get instant pics with the M10 M11 or really, even autofocus cameras if you switch them to manual. there are downsides of course, but speed isn't one of them. now for sports, yep... leica is not for sports, yet, the sl3 will take care of that market this fall :)
I still use an M8 and am very happy with it. An M240 would certainly be welcomed but I'd keep both Ms as they are different in rendering. Thanks for the vid!
M8 is still a great cameras!
Hey! I have both and I think exactly like you :-)
I just have both, ... it is great combo!
Great video! You address every question perfectly! Using high ISO is not a good look! Exactly!
??? not a good look? So you always stay at the sensor's true basic ISO speed (200) and never use any other??
You're right abt the M240... besides: The lens is much more important. And base ISO is used. Always in any digi cam. The high ISO performance comes from the firmware. I always shoot base ISO.
What if one, as is the case, uses the same lens on an M240 and an M10? ;o)
Merci beaucoup, très instructif pour quelqu'un comme qui souhaite entrer dans l'univers Leica.
je vous en prie
Trying to buy an M-P 240 at the end of 2023 and they’re still holding value.
Totally agreed
Candle light extreme lowlight test plz
I agree 100% to your arguments and I do love my m240. The one that you don t give is probably the more painful for the m10 (and can be applied also to the overpriced m11). Take a picture with the 2 cameras , print them in 20*30cm and compare them… and you will have big difficulties to find which is which and which is the best… so is it really worth the 4K euros différence ? I don t have any issues with people who have the budget for an m10 or an m11 but one true thing is that the pleasure to take pictures with an m240 is huge… and I don t need more.
Well try your test at any ISO equal or superior to 800 (I just had to do that 2 days ago as the weather was really crappy) and you will actually see the difference. Plus why limit yourself to 20x30 cm ? ;o) There is definitely not a 4K difference between a used M240 and a used M10 (let us compare apples to apples), and there might be a huger pleasure in taking pictures with an M10 (at least the assurance that we have a few extra steps of possibilities). Do not get me wrong, coming from a film M, I was not convinced by the Leica Ms (M8 and 9, with all their sensor blunders and issues) until the M240 convinced me to take the step as soon as I could find a good used one... I did the same for my now M10 and I do not regret it (and would not go back).
These are excellent pictures. Thank you for sharing. I think the M240 is the superior camera. An LCD can be too distracting some times.
Superior to what???
@@BrunoChalifour I think it was more of a purist camera compared to the M10. Since then, the M10-d and the M11 came out so it’s obviously a bit of a no-brainer nowadays.
@@injeolmi6 Why "a purist camera"? On what ground? The M240 is the only one with video, I do not think that qualifies it as "purist." ? A noisier shutter than the following M10 if not M6? Slow buffering?
For me what makes a purist camera is under your finger commands/dials for aperture (aperture ring), shutter speed (shutter speed dial), accessible ISO (and for digital cameras, White Balance) command, and manual focus... which all M models share. So what could make the M240 a more purist camera? Definitely not video that was removed from the following (then, as a result, more purist) models in order to be able to reduce the size of the camera to the original size of the film Ms (and which only with the models following the M240 and not the 240). In my mind if there are "purist" digital M, they are the M10, M10-P, M10 monochrome, and M10R.
What i like about leicas is that you cannot go wrong with any of the cameras.
Hey, that is the fact. For years, the LEICA people were desperately seeking and demanding by asking the LEICA Management to come up with some sort of a solution to make full sensor camera, where they can use the R and M lenses, The DMR come, but that was the half of the road. The CMOS Sensor was with e LIVE WIEW feature was necessary to be able to do it. the LEICA M, Type M240 with M to R Lens Adapter was born. that was IT! The rest is history.
Totally agreed with every point ! An intelligent Argumentation for the M240 ! I own it, I ❤ it.
👍💯 for your Video.
For me is one simple reason. Battery life.
I agree. I love mine.
I'm still trying to speed-read the byline
I got M240 in 2016, it’s still a very good one in my camera box, better than Q and EOS 5D3...
How is it better than a Q if you pair it with a 28 mm? Just be aware that, even as a financial argument (that is mentioned in the video in the comparison between the M240 and the M10) an M240 (being older than a Q) with a 28 summilux (f 1.4) is far more expensive than a Q.
Very nice, very right
nice video bro
Thank you!
Yes !!! I liked the colors out of the 240 much better than the 10. The M10 was too “dark”
You realize the "darkness" is just a matter of exposure!?!
It’s subjective. I found the m10 had more dynamic range but less luminosity in the mid tones and the highlights clipped super easily.
@@goorackerelite How is that "too dark"? There is. nothing subjective the M10's superiority in dynamic range over the M240, as well as the well-improved behaviour with high ISO.
That’s a good point. I had both and found that overall luminosity was darker with the m10. It did retrieve more details, but looked more “digital” to my eyes
@@goorackerelite Yes, something I noted too. The M240 because of the uniqueness of its sensor (designed in Belgium, produced in France) has a smoother color rendition (not unlike the difference between Leica/Hasselblad lenses and Nikon/Canon lenses for film) than the M10 or Q (more like most cameras now because the sensors come from a big Japanese sensor manufacturer🪂).
Bought my M240 in 2015 - no desire to upgrade. I mainly print only 5x7 or 6x8 and the images are great. (I also use an old Canon 5d mk1 - images are fantastic from that too!)
You make prints up to 8"x6"?, you might as well not bother.
M240 : better handling, better batterie, better price.
It's a done deal.
And even a better deal : M262.
Definitely not better handling for most Leica users (especially old ones used to film Ms), bulky and somewhat lame, and that is why Leica spent hundreds of thousands of dollars going back to the original size. Battery is better but having two is even better and allows one to use a better tool (M10). I cannot remember when I bought a camera for its battery life ;o). Better price, yes no doubt, better technology has a price.
Cost?
The quality will remain long after the price is forgotten.
Now, I don't have any digital leica, and probably never will as I can't afford them, but if there was any limitations then it would be with the photographer and not the equipment. If people feel this camera or that camera was inadequate for their needs, then they have bought the wrong tool for the job.
If money were not an issue I would get the M10, it's a no brainer. I say this not because it is technically better, I say it because it feels like a film camera in hand. Leica lenses are second to none but I can adapt them to both my Fuji's and Nikon Z5, but IMO nothing beats the focus of the Leica range finder. I have an M8 and would love the M10, perhaps when the M11 comes out.
The M8 still rules in terms of colour space/reproduction.
@@Funktrainer Absolutely NOT: smaller dynamic range and in terms of colors they can easily be met with a preset/profile that you can create and apply when importing your images (unless you strictly keep them on your camera ;o).
@@BrunoChalifour It's not a myth, it's a fact I tried the M (Typ 240) and was absolutely not impresses by those CMOS colours. These files are harder to edit but it depends on what your photographs should look like. The M10-R is better but still a little off.
Colour tweaking CCD files is a lot easier as there are more colours in the files. Especially early CMOS sensors like those of the Nikon D3 for example are very colourblind.
It is. Not only that but the colors are not faithful to reality. As for the D3 I used one for years and never saw the “color blindness” you mention. But I agree not as good as the sensor on the M10.
@@BrunoChalifour The D3 was pretty bad in reproducing reds and greens.
Again: The LEICA MP Type 240 is the most revolutionary M camera body, ever. If do not own the camera, there is no place for me to discuss about this subject with you. The list is too long, so I am trying to be concise and brief about this subject. Even the visio feature itself is one of the reasons, too! Goodby!
Baha little autofocus jab 🤣
For daylight shooting, they're SO similar. With the same settings and lens, hard pressed to see a difference. So for some shooters, the m240 is kind of a half priced M10.
M240 has something a little extra special for those who JPEG though, imo.
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The only downside for me is its thickness compared to the M10 and M9.
Let us face it there are only three valid arguments in favor of the M240: cost, video and the tones of the JPGs straight out of the camera (softer than the punchier M10 but those can easily be adjusted in post and even automatically with a saved preset/profile). If all was just a matter of cost we would be eating at McDonald's all the time and wearing $2.50 T-shirts made in Vietnam 20 years ago and $10 jeans made in India or Pakistan. Not that there is anything wrong with these but it is just not exactly what happens and most of us also take quality into account and end up balancing budget and quality. [By the way, if what matters is really cost then why buy a Leica, it does not make much sense does it? ;o)
Then why I moved from an M240 to an M10 (although I like the colors of the M240 JPGs... but, again, as said earlier, I can easily create a preset that I use when importing my images from my M10 to match them): the reason is simple quality and versatility.
Ergonomics too, coming from an M6 the M240 has always felt too bulky and I am glad that Leica went back to a film M size (the cause being that I was probably not the only one with such a wish as it probably did not make Leica's work easier).
Now at 400 but definitely at 800 ISO I can see the difference in quality between the two cameras, past that the M240 files explode (color, dynamic range, noise) and the M10 is definitely a better asset. So better sensor (dynamic range too).
Better buffer (I have found myself waiting for the M240 to digest several raw images taken in a row, and I am not speaking of sports photography at all).
Better EVF (higher resolution, GPS, and few other small additions).
One down-side for some with the M10 compared to the M240, the absence of video (but I do not do videos).
So to sum up the points:
M240 bulkier, older technology (in several areas) which hinders choices and possibilities, except for video, and so cheaper.
M10 more recent and as a result better technology (better sensor ( high ISO and dynamic range), better EVF, faster buffer avoiding the stalling of the camera [which happened to me several times with the M240]), smaller size almost identical to the film Ms and better fit for my hands) but more expensive.
Now, I start with the principle that what can do the most can do the least and that the opposite does not work. In other words, the M10 can do everything (except video) the M240 does, and can do it better... and the M240 cannot do what the M10 does... so the only real arguments left are cost and video. So let us not beat about the bush and let us call a spade a spade. The M240 is cheaper than the M10 and that and the video are its only advantages. So people who are either on a tight budget (and do not want to go on a financial limb which is fair, although I do not regret scraping for the various Leicas I once owned and even wish I had borrowed money earlier for my first one - my decision not to did not improve my budget by much but deprived me of the pleasure of using the excellence of a Leica for a few years) or want to have a range-finder that can allow them to shoot video from time to time (although it may not be the ideal camera for videos but it still offers that option) will go for the M240, the others should choose an M10..
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Totally make sense. I do not mean to argue M240 is better than M10. I wish I have M10. lol
@@sandpiperphotogallery7178 I can understand that. I remember using an M10 when it was released and that Leica let me keep for two days (so that I could do some street photography at night). I could not afford it at the time and I longed for it because of the expanded possibilities. It took a few years but I finally got a used one in a pristine state and I will sell my M240...
M240 has autofocus?….as depicted in no.7 autofocus..”according to Leica rumors, m240 autofocus is much faster than m10 (they have autofocus features as well?)
It was just a joke!
The reasons I prefer the Leica M8/M9 over the 240/M10:
1. Better and quicker UI with the thumb wheel and buttons one can excellently use with gloves.
2. A real bottom plate that lets you permanently attach a camera plate for quick tripod operation.
3. Colours are much easier to melk out of the CCD DNGs than out of the newer CMOS DNGs.
4. I never use liveview or an evf with a camera with a proper ovf.
5. 18,5 MP is more than enough.
6. I don’t shoot higher than ISO 1000.
1-Never had a problem with gloves either with M240 or M10
2-both M240 and M10 have a baseplate
3-the easiness of colors is just a myth, CCD colors can be mimicked by image taken with a CMOS sensor (and vice versa) it is just a matter of preset/color profile when importing them. And as for easiness and versatility, a wider dynamic range is very helpful. It so happens the M10's dynamic range is superior to that of the M8 or M9 (both CCds but of an older generation).
6. at 1000 ISO you see the difference between an M8/9 and an M10 and it does not take a photo scientist ;o)
@@BrunoChalifour 2 - just try to permanently attach an Arca camera plate and you will see what a joke these later baseplates are. The tripod thread in the camera body is just a stupid nogo.
@@Funktrainer You are right in the sense that the baseplate tripod mount does not look as sturdy as previous models but I have never had any problem with mine and let us face it I am not going to attach a 300 mm f 2.8 to an M camera.
@@BrunoChalifour It doesn't have to do with the sturdiness you always have to bring a tool with you on the later bottom plates to unmount the camera plate when you want to get to the battery or memory card. Pretty stupid from Leica.
Leica changed that issue with the M11. Now you have to attach a stupid grip to get Arca compatibility. At least you don't have to remove the grip to access the battery or memory card. Maybe the M12 gets a better solution like a permanent arca plate.
I had both. I sold the 240 after one month. I kept my M10 3 years. There is no comparaison possible for me. M240 was an error. The only good point is the battery.
If can’t afford an M10, you definitely can’t afford an 11,12 or 13.
There are only two good things about Leica. The first is marketing and the second are lenses. The rest is junk. For me, the myth of Leica as reliable cameras myth has completely collapsed. These are cameras that are very prone to failure and require extremely expensive servicing. I don't remember any manufacturer having such mishaps with their cameras.
2:38 bru, please just level the horizon... :(
The quality of the images says it all 😂😂😂 absolute junk. Pictures of people taking pictures of people at the beach? A playground? Lol why does this person even own a camera beyond their phone???
This would have been better as a blog post. This is not a video. It's a slideshow with annoying music.
LEICA M240-P is still the most sophisticated M series camera made to this day.
??? where do you get this information from??? I could only agree with you regarding the video possibilities that were eliminated with the following generations of Ms as most users did not have much need for video with an M and would rather have an M-sized (film M) digital M which required a lot of sophistication (not mentioning a more sophisticated sensor, EVF, buffer, etc...).