Hi....I'm Bigbird80! Thanks for the shout out that so awesome!!!! And yeah how the Idris was taken from was super sus!!! I was shot while in seat while in quantum when no one should've been on board......but what ever had it for 12hrs but still that was dirty
I used to work on a shipyard that built navy vessels (technically not a Naval Architect though). STill whether or not our current guidelines hold true in a space age is anyones guess. I got following remarks: 1) Windows=No!. Modern navy vessels hardly have any windows. They are always a weakpoint. You can find windows: at the bridge, at flight control, in all doors leading in/out of the citadel, sometimes at the security offce next to the main boarding gangway. That's it. 2) Captains quarters is always close to the bridge. This may mean a) on the same deck b) directly below the bridge c) directly at the stairwell leading to the bridge 3) Almost all naval vessels, even small ones, have separate sleeping and dining areas for 1) officers 2) NCOs and 3) seamen. Amongs officers, captains quarters are as mentioned usually close to the bridge, doctors quarters are usually close to the infirmary. Even offshore patrol vessels, the small coastal boats, often have separate dining for officers and crew. 4) Pathing can be tough. since a bulkhead (navy speak for wall) is always stronger than a door, only few decks have corridors from the front all the way to the back, especially below the water line. This can lead to extremely confusing pathing. I know a ship where the path from front mooring deck to mess hall would be: "down one deck, aft two sections, up one deck, aft two sections, down one deck, forward one section" I own a Hammerhead, and the ONE THING that bugs the hell out of me, is the loose cable in the portside walkway towards the front turret. THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, and if it did HEADS WOULD FIGURATIVELY ROLL.
Even worse, on the Hammerhead the pipes in the head leak. Both port and starboard side heads have pipes running directly overhead of the sinks and mirrors. If you look closely, they are constantly dripping water. If for nothing else, this -- I Will Never Own A Hammerhead. (even if I have one as a loaner)
In lore cockpit glass (i assume also windows on hull exteriors) are manufactured using diamond laminate which is supposedly even stronger than the material used for the hull (but i guess way more costly to prevent overuse)
I aways notice the cabling as well. I once did electrical work on a navy vessel and the inspections where tough! Bad alignment in a cable tray was not allowed, not even talking about a loose cable :) Its also why i'm not buying a Connie until that loose cable on the ground is sorted!
I agree with you on the windows thing, but am willing to overlook it in games like SC or Elite, since if either games were harder sci-fi wise, there wouldn't be any windows at all, and ships would be built like in the Expanse.
It is unfortunate that it was such a heavily-curated and dev-run event. Would be nice for those of us without massive orgs or streaming presences or a certain threshold of fame to participate. Once again feels like Marketing had the horns of this steer.
8:11 this is what's really mind-blowing about Star Citizen to me. You can have a nice time exploring the corridors of a massive ship, while at the same time someone has a completely diffrent experience of attacking the same ship while trying to not get killed. It's kinda like you're underground while there's fighting going on above ground.
A larger interior actually makes sense in a starship vs a Naval ship because it’s storing a critical resource that few sci fi writers consider. Air. As long as the compartment are secured and not breached they offer potentially days worth of sweet air in the event of life support failure.
The flip of that is that usually on naval vessels your hallways and rooms aren't primary structure/service/engineering support looms but in spaceships the interior structures ARE all of that because you want them disconnected from the hull and almost all systems have to directly interact with them in multiple locations... so the interiors ARE the ship and the rest is attachments and buffered defensive structures. Like a baby in the momma.
A fun note is that style of bridge is likely the origin of the usage of "bridge" aboard ships. In literally 'bridges' the hull of the ship to give a high vantage point for navigation.
on the last day of the event, GII boarded an Idris that Northfield was in control of. we cleared out all hostiles and helped secure the ship, then we invited everyone on the server to come check it out. we held it until the end of the event when the ship despawned, acting as security and taking care of any would-be griefers. it was a pretty fun time.
I was in the navy for 8 years. On the USS Juneau, we shared 4 toilets and 4 showers for 100 enlisted. This head was located in-between two berthings (hence the 100 for that head). You had to go through one or the other berthings to get to that head, so it's not unheard of.
I was on the USS George Washington and because of our size, my berthing had access to 3 different adjacent heads. While we did shared those heads with two other berthings, the ratio of shower per person was much higher. Luckily, one of the heads was next to the reactor berthing and it always had hot water. It was kind of a conspiracy on why that was.
The whole organization system needs to be reworked. Imagine this event would track the orgs of players that take part in this event and grant the org that held the ship the longest over all the Idris-M in a shared and ingame accessible organization hangar.
8:30 I remember in an Idris focused ISC they mentioned it's powered by 2 suped-up hydogren fusion generators - the large injector rises from below to 'inject' additional super-compressed liquid Hydrogen/Deuterium into the reaction chamber, which is kept cooled and so can only be exposed for a few seconds at a time.
The large bridge airlock, if I recall, lead to a large lifeboat on the other side of the airlock. The aftermarket kit is intended to upgrade the anti-ship capability by replacing 4 of the turrets (2 top and 2 bottom) with the Behring M2C PDS turrets, so if anti fighter is what you're after, that should improve things. Also, it offers a spinal lazor beam weapon. I don't care how powerful it, a giant beam cannon is far superior to a simple railgun. Also, I can confirm on the separation of officers and enlisted. It's a big deal (to a silly extent, almost) on naval vessels. They will duplicate just about all facilities on even the smallest of ships. Separate lounges, dining, toilet, shower, and put the rooms as far apart as feasible. I was in the US Army, and although we too had separation between officers and enlisted, in our unit, the officers often ate with the soldiers when deployed, shared the gym and most other facilities, and they got grief from the Navy guys about it. So uncivilized, apparently.
As a former US Navy sailor who served on a destroyer, most of the bathrooms on the ship I served on are within the sleeping area. The only bathroom that was not within a living area was one meant for VIP's near the captain's office, which was downstairs from the bridge.
Excellent video of an event almost no streamers or youtubers managed to get a single video of. Must have been excruciating to get this footage, finally. We've had multiple moments over the past 2 years of "Omg its actually becoming a real game", and this weeks server meshing (stanton+pyro) test was just the latest one. This idris event being the second latest one. The future is bright.
One thing that in lore might be a good explanation of relative spaciousness of hallways vs current day naval ships is that future combat space ships may need to account for space suit mobility when parts of ship integrity is compromised during and post battle.
Sure, but apples and oranges honestly. The Idris is a a small carrier more than anything else. The rest ate bonus perks . Perseus has big guns for sure, but should. Because that's all it does really
@@Sarazoul I am not comparing the 2 ships ... you do know that I don't think people realise that the big capital ships are going to be running multiple missions at the same time. You might have a couple fighters doing bounties, while a drop ship is running bunkers, a cargo ship is bringing in supplies and the Idris will rendezvous with a Starfarer tanker to refuel, before doing a convoy escort mission. How else can you support a huge cap ship ?
@@jedi_drifter2988You do not move the carrier to another planet while doing bunkers and bounties with the capital as base of operations. Besides, I am sure how much the Idris will really be a carrier in the PU, considering that we are getting the Kraken as proper carrier with landing pads, refuel, rearm, and potentially respawn. A carrier is more than just a deck to park 40 furries in it. ;-)
The perseus has custom weapons. on the idris is a standart weapon. they can do with the perseus weapons whatever they want. they can be much stronger than normal s7.
Those sim pods use to be where the flight ready room is, which is now a gym. It's common for a captain of a naval ship to have more than one personal quarters. Most have a small room right off the bridge, and a larger more private room for personal belongings etc. Those two private rooms off the crew quarters were added back in 2019? It was covered in an ATV, giving the SQ42 player and old man a private sleeping place. Within that same episode dev's talked about adding private officer quarters but seems like that never happened. :( I'm not so sure the Idris will have a T1 medbed, outside of medical ships I think T2 will be the biggest. Great tour and walk through, trying to make this crazy layout sound cohesive! For anyone interested in how far the Idris has come in terms of changes, Teller has a video on RUclips doing a fly through.
Yup, I wasted a weekend looking for this ship. Back in Star Citizen's Kick-starter, they said this: "The people who pledge for their spaceships will get to test-fly them long before the general public." This event really did fail to live up to that promise: this was the in-game reveal of the Idris interior. At the very least, they should have had a docked idris at one station for people to tour around the interior, and ideally should have let Idris owners spawn one, whether in Free Flight mode or even just for the weekend in the PU given the ship has no missions or gameplay for it yet. Ultimately, this event made people in my Org less interested in trying the latest patch, because they quite rightly called out that it would be a complete waste of time. I was excited, then crushed, and my friends were right - SC marketing is a bitter joke right now. And without testing? Yes, all the advertising pictures for this ship show it from above, where it has lots of guns. But once we have precision targeting, those two turrets underneath will rapidly die and this will be a glorious white elephant of a ship. Sorry CIG, do better.
Whenever I watch videos on the bigger ships of SC, I can't help but wonder if they're expecting a point in the game's future where the playerbase will be large enough to be full of people who want to crew someone else's ship rather than captain their own. Right now, the game does seem to still be fairly niche because of the alpha state, relatively slow development of anything that isn't something for them to sell you, and high hardware requirements. But to really fill out this universe in the future, they'd have to have ways to bring in a lot more players. I'm curious if they've ever really talked about that aspect of their development roadmap, insofar as one could exist for a game with 10+ years of development ahead. It would be neat perhaps to have a dedicated system for hiring other players as crew with paid wages, to get people who aren't in big orgs or who simply don't have their group of friends around at the time to group up, have some adventures, and make some credits from someone who dropped a fat stack on a big ship.
I don't know if it was intentional, but it is nice to see that both the reactor room and the grav room have a maze to prevent radiation to escape these rooms. What vexes me a bit is, that the Idris has huge windows well placed to look out, while my MSR has not and in most other ships with windows to the void they are not well placed.
I believe the hatch at the back of the Bridge is for a MPUV so people (likely VIPs) can be delivered directly to the bridge. I remember hearing that at least one of the ships had that, can't remember if it was the Idris or not.
The ship layout looks more like a map from Doom than fully working space frigate. Even in ST TNG they had secondary battle bridge in most secure location of the ship as far as possible from the space windows
For one, there's areas closed off of the Idris still...and two, it's not fully finished in that they still need polishing for multiplayer...and three, it was made as a dynamic level for a single player game, so yes it has a feeling of a "level" as opposed to a ship. That being said, it's a fictional spaceship and realism has never been key
I don't think people realise that the big capital ships are going to be running multiple missions at the same time. You might have a couple fighters doing bounties, while a drop ship is running bunkers, a cargo ship is bringing in supplies and the Idris will rendezvous with a Starfarer tanker to refuel, before doing a convoy escort mission. How else can you support a huge cap ship ?
@@jedi_drifter2988 Only way i see profit for a Idris or Jav that is not an attack combat mission is to escort a Hull E, with a crew of at least 20 plus fighter crews, fuel costs as well as food this thing will cost a fortune for, for profit missions. Can also be used for org missions where players involved are donating time for the org and all profits for the mission go to the org.
The Argo parking bay is a passenger Argo.. So that may be why there are no elevators or such. Still a bit strange to require the use of the ladder though.
My org spent about 3 hours server hoping on Saturday night. Finally at about 830pm Alaska Time, on an Asian server, we found an Idris drifting just off Seraphim Station. No mission on the mobi, so after watching it drift around for about 20 minutes we decided to see if we could just slip inside for a look. The SECOND that one of us opened the docking port and boarded the mission popped up. But is was for a SECOND Idris that spawned inside the Sun. This one was crewed by Wintermute-CIG, Raven-CIG, Wakapedia-CIG and some others. After chasing it to the Terra jump gate we battled with it for about 2 hours and just as we boarded the main hanger and started to engage the guards....30k. Sigh. Searched for the rest of the weekend, but never saw the mission again. It was an amazingly fun time, but I agree, there should have been more spawns OR the event should have been longer so that more people could participate.
Thanks for the tour Morph', I never even saw one spawn! I agree with you about having one docked (like the Javelin). All I wanted to do was have a look around.
Thank you for always having 21:9 ultrawide videos in High Quality. I always enjoy watching your videos on my monitor without the black boxes on on the sides of my monitor. It's the little things that matter to me.
On naval ships, the CO and XO staterooms are in separate parts of the ship. This avoids 1 bad hit taking them both. It goes farther than that as well. Crew berthings are spaced fore and aft and port and starboard with division personnel spread out between them so, for example, you don’t loose all of your Radiomen by hitting a single mine. For practical gameplay and layout reasons, this would obviously go too far.
Naval Officer here. Heads in berthings are 100% normal. The berthings on this ship are very spacious compared to a modern Naval vessel. Imagine a maze of tightly packed together racks stacked 3 to 4 high. Officers usually have staterooms above the waterline (Junior Officers sometimes are below the waterline). Officers have staterooms that are 3 to 2 people depending on if you're a division officer or a department head. CO and XO are the only people on board with their own room. XOs usually doubles as an office. Captain's stateroom is centrally located to be ivo the Bridge and CIC. His room is typically an office with an additional room for sleeping. Larger ships may have a lounge and dining room mixed in. There is also something called an "At sea cabin." this is a smaller stateroom the COs can sleep in while the ship is at sea that is usually connected or close to the bridge.
A little note from a former Navy guy, the Chiefs, enlisted and officers all had their own separate sleeping and relaxing quarters. On a side note yes Chiefs are enlisted but I separated them from the lower enlisted for simplicity, because the upper enlisted (Chiefs) do get their own sleeping and relaxing quarters from the lower enlisted.
Really glad you got to see and report on it. I also hunted it all weekend and didn't even see one spawn. Excited to see these in player hands in verse.
14:30 in the upcoming balance (with damage sim etc), the devs have specifically stated that light fighters will NOT be able to take out capital ships, at all. You will need Torpedoes or at least Ares Ion / Inferno's to make any real progress through a capital class shield and power plant. So it makes sense that the Idris wouldnt bother with S2 / S3 turrets, but focus on larger opponents. Equally, Light Fighters dont have any anti-idris weaponry, because they're simply not meant to fight an Idris (and would rather just stay out of its way). So the reason for example a Connie or C2 has anti-fighter turrets, is because they are still vulnerable to lighter fighters. Now, sure, if you brought 100 Arrows constantly nonstop firing on the Idris rear shields, they would go down. But thats not the Idris role, its role isnt to swoop in as an anti-fighter screen. It's to stay in place as a territorial power projection, for the most threathening targets your own fighthers cant deal with. It's there to take out Hammerheads and Connies, and to some extent Perseuses or Nautiluses. The stuff that your regulra fighters might struggle with. If you have nonstop light fighters buzzing you, you bring out a Hammerhead (which also, with the upcoming balance, wont be threathened by Arrows or Gladiuses (much)). We have to not stick with the mindset of todays balance, where 1 tiny mosquito can stay glued to the blind spot of a Hammerhead and just wear it down in 5 minutes. That will change, so it makes no sense to design ships to todays balance. Also keep in mind, the final Idris will have plenty of CIWS that automatically shoot down torpedoes and lighter ships that come very close. So it already has automated defences for that. Especially when Flak comes into the game later on. (also confirmed by the devs). Why have a S2 flak cannon when you could have a S5 flak cannon on your idris?
although you may consider this less cinematic, I think it still gave a good perspective, especially on what it is like while being used by multiple players, seeing people running in the background and such gave it some life, which makes sense given its colossal size, so still a good and interesting review of the ship as always
Great video, Morph. Once again, your sublime command over the SC camera remains the best on YT. Great walkthrough, loved the choice to ground everything by referring back to the mini-map. Also, completely agree with your various takes on the event. I wish it wasn't so rare, and that it wasn't so toxic, but that seems to be the paradigm that CIG has embraced, at least for now.
Speaking about the size 5 weapon turrets, I believe CIG has said that there will soon be larger sized weapons that are designed to actually be effective against fighters, so that hopefully won't be a problem.
Thanks for making this amazing tour. I didn't have quite much time to log-in and try server hopping, and a part of me also did not want to deal with all the pvp and everything. All I wanted was to see the ship and although I wish I could have visited it myself in-game, I thank you very much for making this amazing video and even if you said otherwise, this still very cinematic and very well put together tour of the Idris.
So as a Naval officer its interesting to see the officers not be accommodated in one wardroom and be more separated from the ratings, but also no senior rates mess vs junior rates mess. Would've made the ship bigger I'm sure but wouldve been nice to see. As for the CO / XO I would expect (haven't finished the vid) to see a day cabin for the CO near the Bridge if their night cabin is as far away as this.
as a vanilla wow player the eras of guild level challenges in form of legendary weapons given to only one person was still fun to see even if i personally might never be an owner of one, the friction is true but is countered by an orgs cohesion, and when it does go bad it ends up being a positive feedback loop drama that still benefits the game via exposure to the masses
Honestly, as if right now I am here because the Idris will be our social area of Squadron42. I will see this as a Squadron 42 asset until we have the gameplay and tech that let's us evaluate it as a multiplayer-ship... ...and as a Singleplayer HUB Asset this is absolutely incredible. 1. Because of it's a bit more complex layout you will learn to navigate it more and more during the campaign which will probably build your relationship with it more and more 2. The design is simply something else (I don't think I know many sci-fi games with a ship that is so big yet has such a detailed design (and we don't even see all the props for SQ42 yet) 3. The size of this as your HUB means that between missions you have enough space to actually relax for a bit and not feel like during that you are stuck in one room How I see it: I imagine this kind of like a bigger version of the Aurora from Metro Exodus. There you could take time (especially between each area) to simply talk to the crew and feel the current vibe of the crew. It was incredibly atmospheric and one of my absolute favorite aspects of that game and also pretty unique since not a lot of story-games have such a place (most of the time it is one level after the next). This then (if used like I understand it right now) is a bigger version of that but in Space and with a lot more freedom to move and a lot more "stuff" to do (hopefully). Ultimately my personal "expectation" for the story as something very impactful is that towards the end of the campaign we either loose the Stanton (your Idris) in battle or we are separated from it for the last missions, really giving us a feel for the stakes as we no longer can rest between missions but need to MOVE FORWARD. IF they would even destroy the Stanton it would also from how I see it be a pretty emotional punch as it will probably be the area we see most of in the game. This is of course all only speculation with a bit of wishful thinking of how I would use this HUB in SQ42 As for SC. We still have to much tech to go for me personally to really tell how we will use everything this ship has to offer
Appreciate the footage, exciting and awesome ship. Yes i did do about 20hrs over 4 sessions in the weekend and no Idris appeared. Cool ship, poor event.
My plasure for be a part of the player to participate the action and on-borad visit Idris with you. Mr Morph. Still feel pity for other players who is not on-borad to visit.
I'm so glad you youtubers enjoyed it. CIG need to park a a couple of these so that the rest of the comunity can access another asset that they have paid for. all weekendi didn't see it. they should NOT be gaming this ship release thats ridiclous. at least you gave us a tour of the internals
On our FFG in the Navy, the COs cabin was directly below the pilot house (bridge) and was right next to CIC, the XO was near midship, I believe they were intentionally not near each other.
Hey Morph, retired Navy Chief here. The layout of this frigate is rather interesting. There's more of a cinematic feel in this ship, but it is logical in the layout. Except for the enlisted/officer quarters. On most naval ships, the officer's quarters would not require access by traveling through the enlisted quarters. Instead, you'd find the officer's quarters closer to the bridge. There would be junior officers who would live closer to the enlisted, but they would be separated. Otherwise, this ship ROCKS. I'd love to be part of the crew for an Idris, but I certainly wouldn't want to own one unless I could devote plenty of gaming time with a large enough crew to make it worth my efforts.
I think it makes sense that the idris is only realistically available to orgs, as a single person with this ship wont make sense. I dont see why there couldnt be a middle and smaller tier co-event going where something like carrack was available for your handful of friends, and an F8C was on the board for a solo player. This would stratify the player base based upon normal party size and would allow everyone a shot at something they could do with their available friend capacity. There is no need for such an unforced error like we just had. The hype led to an incredibly foreseeable screw up where most people are going to be disappointed, maybe a couple of hundred of people feel like they got something (ignoring how they felt about the time:reward aspect), and only two people thrilled. I really think CIG could benefit from quietly asking a few people outside of the building, who are dedicated to the game, how they would run an event based upon what CIG wanted to do, and what CIG was willing to use as incentive.
Thank you for your well-thought-out ship tour and I agree with your comments on how poorly the event was designed. It would have been nice to have one tour from planet to planet for players to check out. I think a better design for the mission would have been linked with lore and have the Idris be out of fuel and therefore stationary until captured and re-fueled with a starfarrer. A final destination could also have been added, but to add difficulty the UEE would launch interdictors to recapture, giving opposing players multiple opportunities for capture.
not a single person over my 7 hours playing at the same time of the event talked about joining together or doing it. newer manage to stumble over it. but to be fair i did not log in with the explicit idea to fight it. but if i had not heard about it online i would newer guessed the event was on-going. but we will probably see it at the next big event.
Thank you for the video, I've been excited to get a good look at the inside of an Idris for a long time! Overall it looks like a very fun and exciting ship to wander around in, and I'd absolutely love to be hanging out in that hangar bay with ships coming and going. Personally, I'm hoping we'll maybe get an easier look at the Idris during Fleet Week this year - since they've already been doing the Javelin Tour for years, maybe this year they can have an Idris Tour to go along with it...? The only thing that really struck me as a questionable decision in the ship's design is those bridge hallways; I'm glad there's an elevator to the bridge as an alternative, because those hallways look like massive weakpoints if you could deny access to/potentially depressurize the bridge once the shields are down. I'd expect them to have a lot more structure/armor around them like the rest of the ship, but maybe they're just counting on shields to take the brunt of the fire; I wonder if Maelstrom will allow them to be taken off of the ship entirely? Still, a fantastic look at a fantastic ship - I can't wait to learn more when the ship becomes slightly more accessible.
Hey! I really love the Map lay out you have for this ship tour, it's something I feel will be invaluable when we get larger and larger ships. Small critique, when you're displaying where you are, you put and stationary red circle. If you made the graphic move/spin and be a bit brighter, maybe changing the color (animate it in some way to draw the eye easier to it) I think that would clean the graphic up for how short of a time we get to see the map. (I know I can pause it to search, but thought I'd put this out there) Awesome video!
As cool as it looks having a raised bridge, it's also silly for a combat ship. What would better if the bridge had a combat mode where it sink into the body od the ship, or blast shutters cover the glass and you get that 'see through armour' that's on the tank.
It's a game, and it's being made as a life sim MMO with a sci-fi galaxy experience...not a combat/flight sim. Realism is only used to further immersion and game balance, NOT to be true to life or hard science fiction
The realism argument doesn't make sense Given that we have the tevarian ships that have the outside view monitor thing despite not having "glass". Have the CIC walls covered with them @ChristoffRevan
16:11 Idris bridge, dead hooker for scale. Personally, I hate exclusive events with rewards for "lucky" people or ones that can leverage hundreds of loyal minions. I'm not toxic to the point where I'd try to mess with people doing the events, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see it not uniting the playerbase. I'd be more than happy to do some casual grind (deliver XXXX SCU of ??? to ??? or something like that) for small rewards, maybe a bad version of a ship/vehicle that can't be melted or CCUd. If you think that sounds greedy, then please keep in mind that we are supposed to eventually earn ships ingame anyway.
15:00 Or maybe a ship this size doesn't have to fear small ships because they don't have enough firepower to down its shield (in the future). Wich would explain why it has mostly big turrets
Funny enough, I've logged in yesterday into the PU for the first time in a while after having played the pirate swarm MM test over the last couple of days and after playing around for a bit (redoing my Bounty Hunter access missions) I suddenly got the message about the Idris event. I've listened to and read from so many players being angry about not having had a chance to try their hand at the event over the last 2 days, and each time I was just rolling my eyes because I think people are way to hyperfocused on if they can get that ship... so when I saw that the Idris event had been comming to "my" server, I had such a laugh I nearly wet myself. It's an awesome ship and I will try it out at some point when it's displayed on the IAE floor, but I don't have the number of people to crew it and thus no real interest to own one for myself, so I just had some fun reading the chat that spontaneously formed a raiding party. I'm still smiling like the Joker on speed thinking about it. I find things like this hillarious.
19:14 OH... I disagree here. There is no conflict. The ONLY way someone gets to sit in that seat.. is if they were chosen by the org. Maybe the org leader... maybe the streamer... doesn't matter. They were CHOSEN to do it. If they weren't... the rest of them will just shoot that person and replace them with the one who's honor it will be to have it. Why do they choose this person? Simple... because that person will spawn the Idris, spawn it often AND have the ability to contact enough people to actually run it. So no... I think you were correct a bit earlier in your statement where you could see the logic in this. 21:57 Totally. Right on the money there. Great video. The event could probably have been planned a little better but in the end I think it served its purpose. Always love hearing your take on things. I also loved that you couldn't help yourself and had to add some comments on the architecture.
They've definitely refined and improved the interior, and I look forward to seeing it. Hopefully they put it on display at Invictus. I figured the Argo bay was for passengers/prisoners, not cargo, as they could take cargo straight to the main hangar and use the lifts there. Also, I seem to recalling seeing a ramp, coming from the rear hangar area, for ground vehicles.
This Idris event really was a big "nothing" event. Having to spend hours and hours cycling through servers just to find the "chance" of encountering the Idris mission. Like the F8C, CIG really need to rethink these in-game ship events going forward so that everyone can participate and not the concerningly dedicated few.
Regarding the somewhat strange layouts for some of the convoluted hallways and access paths for certain rooms (like the gravity amplifier etc). Of course we see this on irl ships too, although that isnt an "excuse" per say. But it just means you cant always design everything to be perfectly optimal. The devs really struggled to fit everything into the mesh. I'd rather have a gravity amplifier room in a weird place, than NOT have that room at all but have wider more open logical routes.
15:25 I do not think that will just be an emergency air lock, in many science fiction shows (Such as Star Trek) the captain often has a "Captain's Yacht" or a special emergency vehicle that can be accessed from the bridge and which will act as an escape vessel. But that's just a theory... A space theory.
The medium gun turrets are also pretty effective against light fighters, its the S7 Turret thats only effektive against them at long ranges because of slow tracking.
I feel like the Argo Cargo storage is 100% for the Ship storage when it's not being used. You jump down there, hop in, and fly it up to where the cargo is being staged on the flight deck, or fly down to the off ship location that is staging cargo. It's would probably be making many loops after being pulled out, and then go back there, empty, when done.
notice how the cargo elevator goes right down onto the flight deck and right NEXT to one door, that says to me, it was meant to hold supplies and ordinance where you order from somewhere else which are then brought down via that elevator and notice how the argo cargo dock has a bunch doors around it, that say to me its meant to be where personnel are transferred via argompuv PERSONNEL its easy to forget that there are as of this writing 2 variants or the argo mpuv the c for cargo and the p for transporting people.
as an honorverse fan i 110% agree with Weber's ship design philosophy... warship bridges should be in the middle of the ship, not out on the hull where it's going to be the main target.
Co-ownership is indeed the best way forward with these naval and multi-crew ships. CIG needs to create some back-end tool for that! I would even go so far as creating a funding ledger/tool on the website or Org page for transparency or refunding sake.
there are 4 remote turrets with size 4 weapons (anti-fighter turrets) - 2 on top, 2 on the bottom. On the bridge those consoles you denoted as engineering are actually I believe gunnery. The K series variant is supposed to replace those with "PDC" turrets (i.e. AI).
What's the plate on the back of the Idris? I seem to remember its longrange radar can be brought up through that door. If that's the case it has to be a huge dish.
The separation of officers and enlisted is if anything more pronounced in the Navy than any other branch. Of course a real frigate also has a complement of over 200 sailors, and the only ship in star citizen that is remotely likely to hit that crew size is the Bengal, which will still be a tiny fraction of the crew size of an actual carrier. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a clearly defined officers country aboard the Bengal, but not surprised that they don’t have it on the Idris.
My org PXP found it yesterday and spent most the day playing cat a mouse with it. Never being able to catch up to it as it constantly kept jumping and never staying in one place. It did stop briefly at Orison abd several folks kept ramming it so it left never to be caught by my org. Im lucky to be in a org that has a few idiris's M. And looking forward in using it when it becomes flyable in game.
There were both NPC Idris spawns and manual developer spawns of the Idris - just not on every server shard. If you want in on events like these, you have to do a lot of server-hopping and, by extension, a lot of logging in on different friends. I'm not sure if that'd be my first choice in designing an event like this at this stage of development. I'll just go ahead and guess that the NPC spawns may have had a bug that doesn't show up so well in front of a testing audience who aren't all obsessed with statistical analysis (which is just as well!)
Captain's Quarters are traditionally located in the immediate area of the bridge... typically adjacent or immediately above/below. This annoys me, as well. ALSO! I did serve in the Navy with a number of years on Frigates. The berths/bunks and rooms appear reasonable and it is common for heads to be in ... inconvenient places, like afterthoughts! So overall, yes... and officer country tends to be on a different deck or in a different location on the ship from enlisted berths.
I'm looking at this, thinking "gods, the Architect Reviews about this is going to be enormously long". The amount of stuff in this ship is insane, and that's awesome.
Hi....I'm Bigbird80! Thanks for the shout out that so awesome!!!! And yeah how the Idris was taken from was super sus!!! I was shot while in seat while in quantum when no one should've been on board......but what ever had it for 12hrs but still that was dirty
Good luck with the competition!
What makes you think nobody else was on board? The ship is so big that it could have easily been overlooked.
I’m glad your a good sport about it but yeah super Sus
@@purson117 Probably the 12hs of jumping with no one being able to get close.
Is this the first in game conspiracy theory?
CIA killed JFK
CIG killed BB8
I used to work on a shipyard that built navy vessels (technically not a Naval Architect though). STill whether or not our current guidelines hold true in a space age is anyones guess.
I got following remarks:
1) Windows=No!. Modern navy vessels hardly have any windows. They are always a weakpoint. You can find windows: at the bridge, at flight control, in all doors leading in/out of the citadel, sometimes at the security offce next to the main boarding gangway. That's it.
2) Captains quarters is always close to the bridge. This may mean a) on the same deck b) directly below the bridge c) directly at the stairwell leading to the bridge
3) Almost all naval vessels, even small ones, have separate sleeping and dining areas for 1) officers 2) NCOs and 3) seamen. Amongs officers, captains quarters are as mentioned usually close to the bridge, doctors quarters are usually close to the infirmary. Even offshore patrol vessels, the small coastal boats, often have separate dining for officers and crew.
4) Pathing can be tough. since a bulkhead (navy speak for wall) is always stronger than a door, only few decks have corridors from the front all the way to the back, especially below the water line.
This can lead to extremely confusing pathing. I know a ship where the path from front mooring deck to mess hall would be: "down one deck, aft two sections, up one deck, aft two sections, down one deck, forward one section"
I own a Hammerhead, and the ONE THING that bugs the hell out of me, is the loose cable in the portside walkway towards the front turret. THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, and if it did HEADS WOULD FIGURATIVELY ROLL.
Even worse, on the Hammerhead the pipes in the head leak. Both port and starboard side heads have pipes running directly overhead of the sinks and mirrors. If you look closely, they are constantly dripping water. If for nothing else, this -- I Will Never Own A Hammerhead. (even if I have one as a loaner)
In lore cockpit glass (i assume also windows on hull exteriors) are manufactured using diamond laminate which is supposedly even stronger than the material used for the hull (but i guess way more costly to prevent overuse)
Sounds better than Scotty's transparent aluminum :D@@FN1980a
I aways notice the cabling as well. I once did electrical work on a navy vessel and the inspections where tough! Bad alignment in a cable tray was not allowed, not even talking about a loose cable :) Its also why i'm not buying a Connie until that loose cable on the ground is sorted!
I agree with you on the windows thing, but am willing to overlook it in games like SC or Elite, since if either games were harder sci-fi wise, there wouldn't be any windows at all, and ships would be built like in the Expanse.
The head only being accessible via the berthing is exactly how it is on real ships. It's dumb, but accurate.
@Just-Another_Channelhe said real ships, not real space ships. 😂
That's how I remember my one time on ship.
@@hyperelysian4702with enough energy, every ship is a space ship
On surface ships Yes, But on Subs, All heads are available from a hallway near berthing
Only in the berthing and overflowing half the time. God I hated being on ship
12:05 "Let's continue the tour!" *casually runs past corpses scattered across the floor*
Now I'm imagining a pirate faction who don't make profits from loot, but by giving paid tours of a military vessel of the client's choice.
"we'll momentarily pass by the ship's former crew"
16:11 Nothing to see here ! 😂
My experience with the event was:
- Server hopping for a couple of hours
- Giving up
- Start up Helldivers 2
Mine was that I had to buy a 7600 last year to replace a 5700xt and even loading the game while mowing the yard is painful... 8(
And, did you find the Idris in HD2?
It is unfortunate that it was such a heavily-curated and dev-run event. Would be nice for those of us without massive orgs or streaming presences or a certain threshold of fame to participate.
Once again feels like Marketing had the horns of this steer.
Sweet liber-tea
8:11 this is what's really mind-blowing about Star Citizen to me. You can have a nice time exploring the corridors of a massive ship, while at the same time someone has a completely diffrent experience of attacking the same ship while trying to not get killed. It's kinda like you're underground while there's fighting going on above ground.
Looking forward to being the guy working out at the gym while the ship is dodging size 10 torpedoes and trying to pin down a Polaris.
@@themanyouwanttobe "ONE MORE SET N I'M DONE"
A larger interior actually makes sense in a starship vs a Naval ship because it’s storing a critical resource that few sci fi writers consider. Air. As long as the compartment are secured and not breached they offer potentially days worth of sweet air in the event of life support failure.
The flip of that is that usually on naval vessels your hallways and rooms aren't primary structure/service/engineering support looms but in spaceships the interior structures ARE all of that because you want them disconnected from the hull and almost all systems have to directly interact with them in multiple locations... so the interiors ARE the ship and the rest is attachments and buffered defensive structures. Like a baby in the momma.
A fun note is that style of bridge is likely the origin of the usage of "bridge" aboard ships. In literally 'bridges' the hull of the ship to give a high vantage point for navigation.
Yeah pretty much. The term bridge was taken from a literal bridge put over the steam paddles in steam vessels to give a non crap view.
I love how you kept pulling up the map to show us where you were great addition!
Where is the map anyways?
Really cool to see, excited for when we can eventually get the full architect reviews for this one!
Now... We wait for The Architect Reviews: Aegis Idris
on the last day of the event, GII boarded an Idris that Northfield was in control of. we cleared out all hostiles and helped secure the ship, then we invited everyone on the server to come check it out. we held it until the end of the event when the ship despawned, acting as security and taking care of any would-be griefers. it was a pretty fun time.
I was in the navy for 8 years. On the USS Juneau, we shared 4 toilets and 4 showers for 100 enlisted. This head was located in-between two berthings (hence the 100 for that head). You had to go through one or the other berthings to get to that head, so it's not unheard of.
I was on the USS George Washington and because of our size, my berthing had access to 3 different adjacent heads. While we did shared those heads with two other berthings, the ratio of shower per person was much higher. Luckily, one of the heads was next to the reactor berthing and it always had hot water. It was kind of a conspiracy on why that was.
@@KraytandBarrel A good way to heat up watter. Efficient, cheap,simple
Just how the military likes
Sounds like the US Navy may not have to fear hostile actions as much as chili...
Like a reporter filming an architecture segment in the middle of a war, simply ignoring the dead people and fighting around him 😂
The whole organization system needs to be reworked.
Imagine this event would track the orgs of players that take part in this event and grant the org that held the ship the longest over all the Idris-M in a shared and ingame accessible organization hangar.
8:30 I remember in an Idris focused ISC they mentioned it's powered by 2 suped-up hydogren fusion generators - the large injector rises from below to 'inject' additional super-compressed liquid Hydrogen/Deuterium into the reaction chamber, which is kept cooled and so can only be exposed for a few seconds at a time.
The large bridge airlock, if I recall, lead to a large lifeboat on the other side of the airlock. The aftermarket kit is intended to upgrade the anti-ship capability by replacing 4 of the turrets (2 top and 2 bottom) with the Behring M2C PDS turrets, so if anti fighter is what you're after, that should improve things. Also, it offers a spinal lazor beam weapon. I don't care how powerful it, a giant beam cannon is far superior to a simple railgun.
Also, I can confirm on the separation of officers and enlisted. It's a big deal (to a silly extent, almost) on naval vessels. They will duplicate just about all facilities on even the smallest of ships. Separate lounges, dining, toilet, shower, and put the rooms as far apart as feasible. I was in the US Army, and although we too had separation between officers and enlisted, in our unit, the officers often ate with the soldiers when deployed, shared the gym and most other facilities, and they got grief from the Navy guys about it. So uncivilized, apparently.
As a former US Navy sailor who served on a destroyer, most of the bathrooms on the ship I served on are within the sleeping area. The only bathroom that was not within a living area was one meant for VIP's near the captain's office, which was downstairs from the bridge.
Excellent video of an event almost no streamers or youtubers managed to get a single video of.
Must have been excruciating to get this footage, finally.
We've had multiple moments over the past 2 years of "Omg its actually becoming a real game", and this weeks server meshing (stanton+pyro) test was just the latest one. This idris event being the second latest one. The future is bright.
I served aboard the USS Cape St George CG71 in the navy, and the officers did in fact have their own spaces.
One thing that in lore might be a good explanation of relative spaciousness of hallways vs current day naval ships is that future combat space ships may need to account for space suit mobility when parts of ship integrity is compromised during and post battle.
The largest main turret on the top nose of the Idris is a size 7 (not talking rail gun)... That says a lot about the Perseus.
Sure, but apples and oranges honestly.
The Idris is a a small carrier more than anything else. The rest ate bonus perks .
Perseus has big guns for sure, but should. Because that's all it does really
@@Sarazoul I am not comparing the 2 ships ... you do know that
I don't think people realise that the big capital ships are going to be running multiple missions at the same time. You might have a couple fighters doing bounties, while a drop ship is running bunkers, a cargo ship is bringing in supplies and the Idris will rendezvous with a Starfarer tanker to refuel, before doing a convoy escort mission. How else can you support a huge cap ship ?
@@jedi_drifter2988You do not move the carrier to another planet while doing bunkers and bounties with the capital as base of operations. Besides, I am sure how much the Idris will really be a carrier in the PU, considering that we are getting the Kraken as proper carrier with landing pads, refuel, rearm, and potentially respawn.
A carrier is more than just a deck to park 40 furries in it. ;-)
The perseus has custom weapons. on the idris is a standart weapon. they can do with the perseus weapons whatever they want. they can be much stronger than normal s7.
Glad to be part of the tour! Also shout-out to Legion for fighting alongside us to defend the ship! O7
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Those sim pods use to be where the flight ready room is, which is now a gym. It's common for a captain of a naval ship to have more than one personal quarters. Most have a small room right off the bridge, and a larger more private room for personal belongings etc. Those two private rooms off the crew quarters were added back in 2019? It was covered in an ATV, giving the SQ42 player and old man a private sleeping place. Within that same episode dev's talked about adding private officer quarters but seems like that never happened. :(
I'm not so sure the Idris will have a T1 medbed, outside of medical ships I think T2 will be the biggest.
Great tour and walk through, trying to make this crazy layout sound cohesive! For anyone interested in how far the Idris has come in terms of changes, Teller has a video on RUclips doing a fly through.
Yup, I wasted a weekend looking for this ship. Back in Star Citizen's Kick-starter, they said this: "The people who pledge for their spaceships will get to test-fly them long before the general public." This event really did fail to live up to that promise: this was the in-game reveal of the Idris interior. At the very least, they should have had a docked idris at one station for people to tour around the interior, and ideally should have let Idris owners spawn one, whether in Free Flight mode or even just for the weekend in the PU given the ship has no missions or gameplay for it yet. Ultimately, this event made people in my Org less interested in trying the latest patch, because they quite rightly called out that it would be a complete waste of time. I was excited, then crushed, and my friends were right - SC marketing is a bitter joke right now. And without testing? Yes, all the advertising pictures for this ship show it from above, where it has lots of guns. But once we have precision targeting, those two turrets underneath will rapidly die and this will be a glorious white elephant of a ship. Sorry CIG, do better.
Whenever I watch videos on the bigger ships of SC, I can't help but wonder if they're expecting a point in the game's future where the playerbase will be large enough to be full of people who want to crew someone else's ship rather than captain their own. Right now, the game does seem to still be fairly niche because of the alpha state, relatively slow development of anything that isn't something for them to sell you, and high hardware requirements. But to really fill out this universe in the future, they'd have to have ways to bring in a lot more players. I'm curious if they've ever really talked about that aspect of their development roadmap, insofar as one could exist for a game with 10+ years of development ahead.
It would be neat perhaps to have a dedicated system for hiring other players as crew with paid wages, to get people who aren't in big orgs or who simply don't have their group of friends around at the time to group up, have some adventures, and make some credits from someone who dropped a fat stack on a big ship.
I don't know if it was intentional, but it is nice to see that both the reactor room and the grav room have a maze to prevent radiation to escape these rooms.
What vexes me a bit is, that the Idris has huge windows well placed to look out, while my MSR has not and in most other ships with windows to the void they are not well placed.
I believe the hatch at the back of the Bridge is for a MPUV so people (likely VIPs) can be delivered directly to the bridge.
I remember hearing that at least one of the ships had that, can't remember if it was the Idris or not.
The ship layout looks more like a map from Doom than fully working space frigate. Even in ST TNG they had secondary battle bridge in most secure location of the ship as far as possible from the space windows
That was used only when it wasn't in the most secure location away from the windows. Saucer separation and all that jazz...
For one, there's areas closed off of the Idris still...and two, it's not fully finished in that they still need polishing for multiplayer...and three, it was made as a dynamic level for a single player game, so yes it has a feeling of a "level" as opposed to a ship. That being said, it's a fictional spaceship and realism has never been key
I don't think people realise that the big capital ships are going to be running multiple missions at the same time. You might have a couple fighters doing bounties, while a drop ship is running bunkers, a cargo ship is bringing in supplies and the Idris will rendezvous with a Starfarer tanker to refuel, before doing a convoy escort mission. How else can you support a huge cap ship ?
@@jedi_drifter2988 Only way i see profit for a Idris or Jav that is not an attack combat mission is to escort a Hull E, with a crew of at least 20 plus fighter crews, fuel costs as well as food this thing will cost a fortune for, for profit missions. Can also be used for org missions where players involved are donating time for the org and all profits for the mission go to the org.
The 890 has a battle bridge located at its center.
The Argo parking bay is a passenger Argo.. So that may be why there are no elevators or such. Still a bit strange to require the use of the ladder though.
I love your videos they’re always so good and well made
My org spent about 3 hours server hoping on Saturday night. Finally at about 830pm Alaska Time, on an Asian server, we found an Idris drifting just off Seraphim Station. No mission on the mobi, so after watching it drift around for about 20 minutes we decided to see if we could just slip inside for a look.
The SECOND that one of us opened the docking port and boarded the mission popped up. But is was for a SECOND Idris that spawned inside the Sun. This one was crewed by Wintermute-CIG, Raven-CIG, Wakapedia-CIG and some others.
After chasing it to the Terra jump gate we battled with it for about 2 hours and just as we boarded the main hanger and started to engage the guards....30k. Sigh. Searched for the rest of the weekend, but never saw the mission again.
It was an amazingly fun time, but I agree, there should have been more spawns OR the event should have been longer so that more people could participate.
@morphologis and all RSI soldiers. The man did work to honor every one of us here. Salute!! #11:48🐙🐙🐙🐙
Thanks for the tour Morph', I never even saw one spawn! I agree with you about having one docked (like the Javelin). All I wanted to do was have a look around.
Love the disclaimer even though you still made a great video.
Thanks Morph, as a Solo Citizen I had no chance to see or even find this thing. Nice breakdown.
We found it as a 3 person crew, and for 4hrs I heald it solo. Don't cut yourself short! Hi I'm Bigbird80 the one the took the Idris from
Thank you for always having 21:9 ultrawide videos in High Quality. I always enjoy watching your videos on my monitor without the black boxes on on the sides of my monitor. It's the little things that matter to me.
On naval ships, the CO and XO staterooms are in separate parts of the ship. This avoids 1 bad hit taking them both. It goes farther than that as well. Crew berthings are spaced fore and aft and port and starboard with division personnel spread out between them so, for example, you don’t loose all of your Radiomen by hitting a single mine. For practical gameplay and layout reasons, this would obviously go too far.
Naval Officer here. Heads in berthings are 100% normal. The berthings on this ship are very spacious compared to a modern Naval vessel. Imagine a maze of tightly packed together racks stacked 3 to 4 high. Officers usually have staterooms above the waterline (Junior Officers sometimes are below the waterline). Officers have staterooms that are 3 to 2 people depending on if you're a division officer or a department head. CO and XO are the only people on board with their own room. XOs usually doubles as an office. Captain's stateroom is centrally located to be ivo the Bridge and CIC. His room is typically an office with an additional room for sleeping. Larger ships may have a lounge and dining room mixed in. There is also something called an "At sea cabin." this is a smaller stateroom the COs can sleep in while the ship is at sea that is usually connected or close to the bridge.
They better park a tour ready Idris along with the Javelin at orbital stations for ILW! I just want to touch it with my own digital hands 🤤
Thank you for the very informative tour I never got to see the the idris at all but this video was the next best thing
A little note from a former Navy guy, the Chiefs, enlisted and officers all had their own separate sleeping and relaxing quarters. On a side note yes Chiefs are enlisted but I separated them from the lower enlisted for simplicity, because the upper enlisted (Chiefs) do get their own sleeping and relaxing quarters from the lower enlisted.
Really glad you got to see and report on it. I also hunted it all weekend and didn't even see one spawn. Excited to see these in player hands in verse.
Nice to see folks explore and fly a ship others paid gobs of money to pledge. Good job on the walkthrough.
14:30 in the upcoming balance (with damage sim etc), the devs have specifically stated that light fighters will NOT be able to take out capital ships, at all.
You will need Torpedoes or at least Ares Ion / Inferno's to make any real progress through a capital class shield and power plant.
So it makes sense that the Idris wouldnt bother with S2 / S3 turrets, but focus on larger opponents.
Equally, Light Fighters dont have any anti-idris weaponry, because they're simply not meant to fight an Idris (and would rather just stay out of its way).
So the reason for example a Connie or C2 has anti-fighter turrets, is because they are still vulnerable to lighter fighters.
Now, sure, if you brought 100 Arrows constantly nonstop firing on the Idris rear shields, they would go down.
But thats not the Idris role, its role isnt to swoop in as an anti-fighter screen. It's to stay in place as a territorial power projection, for the most threathening targets your own fighthers cant deal with. It's there to take out Hammerheads and Connies, and to some extent Perseuses or Nautiluses.
The stuff that your regulra fighters might struggle with.
If you have nonstop light fighters buzzing you, you bring out a Hammerhead (which also, with the upcoming balance, wont be threathened by Arrows or Gladiuses (much)).
We have to not stick with the mindset of todays balance, where 1 tiny mosquito can stay glued to the blind spot of a Hammerhead and just wear it down in 5 minutes.
That will change, so it makes no sense to design ships to todays balance.
Also keep in mind, the final Idris will have plenty of CIWS that automatically shoot down torpedoes and lighter ships that come very close.
So it already has automated defences for that. Especially when Flak comes into the game later on. (also confirmed by the devs).
Why have a S2 flak cannon when you could have a S5 flak cannon on your idris?
although you may consider this less cinematic, I think it still gave a good perspective, especially on what it is like while being used by multiple players, seeing people running in the background and such gave it some life, which makes sense given its colossal size, so still a good and interesting review of the ship as always
The quality of your videos, the music and your way to explain things are just amazing. Thank you!
Great video, Morph. Once again, your sublime command over the SC camera remains the best on YT. Great walkthrough, loved the choice to ground everything by referring back to the mini-map. Also, completely agree with your various takes on the event. I wish it wasn't so rare, and that it wasn't so toxic, but that seems to be the paradigm that CIG has embraced, at least for now.
These video's are therapeutic to me, great stuff. Keep them coming!
finally a proper tour of the ship that I paid $1300 for 5 years ago! And yes, what's up with the lack of a lift for the lower level? Makes no sense.
Thanks OutRiders for letting us onboard and hopefully I'll see ya in the verse!
Windows in a starship meant for battle are also nice and dangerous. Because they will be weakpoints.
Speaking about the size 5 weapon turrets, I believe CIG has said that there will soon be larger sized weapons that are designed to actually be effective against fighters, so that hopefully won't be a problem.
In a recent video cig they showed how the type of gun will be changing, so that size isn't the only factor to consider.
Thanks for making this amazing tour. I didn't have quite much time to log-in and try server hopping, and a part of me also did not want to deal with all the pvp and everything. All I wanted was to see the ship and although I wish I could have visited it myself in-game, I thank you very much for making this amazing video and even if you said otherwise, this still very cinematic and very well put together tour of the Idris.
So as a Naval officer its interesting to see the officers not be accommodated in one wardroom and be more separated from the ratings, but also no senior rates mess vs junior rates mess. Would've made the ship bigger I'm sure but wouldve been nice to see.
As for the CO / XO I would expect (haven't finished the vid) to see a day cabin for the CO near the Bridge if their night cabin is as far away as this.
I think they will eventually put one for display during the invictus week
as a vanilla wow player the eras of guild level challenges in form of legendary weapons given to only one person was still fun to see even if i personally might never be an owner of one, the friction is true but is countered by an orgs cohesion, and when it does go bad it ends up being a positive feedback loop drama that still benefits the game via exposure to the masses
Honestly, as if right now I am here because the Idris will be our social area of Squadron42.
I will see this as a Squadron 42 asset until we have the gameplay and tech that let's us evaluate it as a multiplayer-ship...
...and as a Singleplayer HUB Asset this is absolutely incredible.
1. Because of it's a bit more complex layout you will learn to navigate it more and more during the campaign which will probably build your relationship with it more and more
2. The design is simply something else (I don't think I know many sci-fi games with a ship that is so big yet has such a detailed design (and we don't even see all the props for SQ42 yet)
3. The size of this as your HUB means that between missions you have enough space to actually relax for a bit and not feel like during that you are stuck in one room
How I see it: I imagine this kind of like a bigger version of the Aurora from Metro Exodus. There you could take time (especially between each area) to simply talk to the crew and feel the current vibe of the crew. It was incredibly atmospheric and one of my absolute favorite aspects of that game and also pretty unique since not a lot of story-games have such a place (most of the time it is one level after the next). This then (if used like I understand it right now) is a bigger version of that but in Space and with a lot more freedom to move and a lot more "stuff" to do (hopefully).
Ultimately my personal "expectation" for the story as something very impactful is that towards the end of the campaign we either loose the Stanton (your Idris) in battle or we are separated from it for the last missions, really giving us a feel for the stakes as we no longer can rest between missions but need to MOVE FORWARD. IF they would even destroy the Stanton it would also from how I see it be a pretty emotional punch as it will probably be the area we see most of in the game. This is of course all only speculation with a bit of wishful thinking of how I would use this HUB in SQ42
As for SC. We still have to much tech to go for me personally to really tell how we will use everything this ship has to offer
This, this is the video I've been waiting for! Thanks for making it happen, and I'm honestly now really excited about S42 for the first time.
"..never lucky enough to have it pop up in their server.." i wanna be lucky enough it pops up in my fleet manager as owner soon ffs
The quality of your videos is on another level man!! Thank you for your hard work and dedication.
Appreciate the footage, exciting and awesome ship. Yes i did do about 20hrs over 4 sessions in the weekend and no Idris appeared. Cool ship, poor event.
My plasure for be a part of the player to participate the action and on-borad visit Idris with you. Mr Morph.
Still feel pity for other players who is not on-borad to visit.
I'm so glad you youtubers enjoyed it. CIG need to park a a couple of these so that the rest of the comunity can access another asset that they have paid for. all weekendi didn't see it. they should NOT be gaming this ship release thats ridiclous. at least you gave us a tour of the internals
On our FFG in the Navy, the COs cabin was directly below the pilot house (bridge) and was right next to CIC, the XO was near midship, I believe they were intentionally not near each other.
Hey Morph, retired Navy Chief here. The layout of this frigate is rather interesting. There's more of a cinematic feel in this ship, but it is logical in the layout. Except for the enlisted/officer quarters. On most naval ships, the officer's quarters would not require access by traveling through the enlisted quarters. Instead, you'd find the officer's quarters closer to the bridge. There would be junior officers who would live closer to the enlisted, but they would be separated. Otherwise, this ship ROCKS. I'd love to be part of the crew for an Idris, but I certainly wouldn't want to own one unless I could devote plenty of gaming time with a large enough crew to make it worth my efforts.
Its nice to see what is inside the Idris Thanks for showing
I think it makes sense that the idris is only realistically available to orgs, as a single person with this ship wont make sense. I dont see why there couldnt be a middle and smaller tier co-event going where something like carrack was available for your handful of friends, and an F8C was on the board for a solo player. This would stratify the player base based upon normal party size and would allow everyone a shot at something they could do with their available friend capacity.
There is no need for such an unforced error like we just had. The hype led to an incredibly foreseeable screw up where most people are going to be disappointed, maybe a couple of hundred of people feel like they got something (ignoring how they felt about the time:reward aspect), and only two people thrilled.
I really think CIG could benefit from quietly asking a few people outside of the building, who are dedicated to the game, how they would run an event based upon what CIG wanted to do, and what CIG was willing to use as incentive.
Thank you for your well-thought-out ship tour and I agree with your comments on how poorly the event was designed. It would have been nice to have one tour from planet to planet for players to check out. I think a better design for the mission would have been linked with lore and have the Idris be out of fuel and therefore stationary until captured and re-fueled with a starfarrer. A final destination could also have been added, but to add difficulty the UEE would launch interdictors to recapture, giving opposing players multiple opportunities for capture.
Amazing work. Thanks for the tour!
not a single person over my 7 hours playing at the same time of the event talked about joining together or doing it. newer manage to stumble over it. but to be fair i did not log in with the explicit idea to fight it. but if i had not heard about it online i would newer guessed the event was on-going. but we will probably see it at the next big event.
I was so hoping you'd get some footage of the Idris event. Your shots and editing just make everything so cinematic.
Thank you for the video, I've been excited to get a good look at the inside of an Idris for a long time! Overall it looks like a very fun and exciting ship to wander around in, and I'd absolutely love to be hanging out in that hangar bay with ships coming and going. Personally, I'm hoping we'll maybe get an easier look at the Idris during Fleet Week this year - since they've already been doing the Javelin Tour for years, maybe this year they can have an Idris Tour to go along with it...?
The only thing that really struck me as a questionable decision in the ship's design is those bridge hallways; I'm glad there's an elevator to the bridge as an alternative, because those hallways look like massive weakpoints if you could deny access to/potentially depressurize the bridge once the shields are down. I'd expect them to have a lot more structure/armor around them like the rest of the ship, but maybe they're just counting on shields to take the brunt of the fire; I wonder if Maelstrom will allow them to be taken off of the ship entirely?
Still, a fantastic look at a fantastic ship - I can't wait to learn more when the ship becomes slightly more accessible.
Just as long as I can log off and log on in the org ship then I'll be happy.
I think more than anything, this was a learning experience for everyone.
Hey! I really love the Map lay out you have for this ship tour, it's something I feel will be invaluable when we get larger and larger ships. Small critique, when you're displaying where you are, you put and stationary red circle. If you made the graphic move/spin and be a bit brighter, maybe changing the color (animate it in some way to draw the eye easier to it) I think that would clean the graphic up for how short of a time we get to see the map. (I know I can pause it to search, but thought I'd put this out there)
Awesome video!
As cool as it looks having a raised bridge, it's also silly for a combat ship. What would better if the bridge had a combat mode where it sink into the body od the ship, or blast shutters cover the glass and you get that 'see through armour' that's on the tank.
It's a game, and it's being made as a life sim MMO with a sci-fi galaxy experience...not a combat/flight sim. Realism is only used to further immersion and game balance, NOT to be true to life or hard science fiction
no need to cover the glass since glass in the lore is as strong as the hull
The realism argument doesn't make sense Given that we have the tevarian ships that have the outside view monitor thing despite not having "glass".
Have the CIC walls covered with them
@ChristoffRevan
16:11 Idris bridge, dead hooker for scale.
Personally, I hate exclusive events with rewards for "lucky" people or ones that can leverage hundreds of loyal minions.
I'm not toxic to the point where I'd try to mess with people doing the events, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see it not uniting the playerbase.
I'd be more than happy to do some casual grind (deliver XXXX SCU of ??? to ??? or something like that) for small rewards, maybe a bad version of a ship/vehicle that can't be melted or CCUd.
If you think that sounds greedy, then please keep in mind that we are supposed to eventually earn ships ingame anyway.
15:00 Or maybe a ship this size doesn't have to fear small ships because they don't have enough firepower to down its shield (in the future). Wich would explain why it has mostly big turrets
Funny enough, I've logged in yesterday into the PU for the first time in a while after having played the pirate swarm MM test over the last couple of days and after playing around for a bit (redoing my Bounty Hunter access missions) I suddenly got the message about the Idris event.
I've listened to and read from so many players being angry about not having had a chance to try their hand at the event over the last 2 days, and each time I was just rolling my eyes because I think people are way to hyperfocused on if they can get that ship... so when I saw that the Idris event had been comming to "my" server, I had such a laugh I nearly wet myself.
It's an awesome ship and I will try it out at some point when it's displayed on the IAE floor, but I don't have the number of people to crew it and thus no real interest to own one for myself, so I just had some fun reading the chat that spontaneously formed a raiding party.
I'm still smiling like the Joker on speed thinking about it. I find things like this hillarious.
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OH... I disagree here. There is no conflict.
The ONLY way someone gets to sit in that seat.. is if they were chosen by the org. Maybe the org leader... maybe the streamer... doesn't matter.
They were CHOSEN to do it. If they weren't... the rest of them will just shoot that person and replace them with the one who's honor it will be to have it.
Why do they choose this person? Simple... because that person will spawn the Idris, spawn it often AND have the ability to contact enough people to actually run it.
So no... I think you were correct a bit earlier in your statement where you could see the logic in this.
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Totally. Right on the money there.
Great video. The event could probably have been planned a little better but in the end I think it served its purpose. Always love hearing your take on things. I also loved that you couldn't help yourself and had to add some comments on the architecture.
They've definitely refined and improved the interior, and I look forward to seeing it. Hopefully they put it on display at Invictus. I figured the Argo bay was for passengers/prisoners, not cargo, as they could take cargo straight to the main hangar and use the lifts there. Also, I seem to recalling seeing a ramp, coming from the rear hangar area, for ground vehicles.
This Idris event really was a big "nothing" event. Having to spend hours and hours cycling through servers just to find the "chance" of encountering the Idris mission. Like the F8C, CIG really need to rethink these in-game ship events going forward so that everyone can participate and not the concerningly dedicated few.
you need to understand about "Streamer Privilege" and the niche they occupy above you in the food chain in CIG's eyes
8:36, it was powered by antimatter reactor, the 2017 sq42 preview mentioned it in a dialogue
Regarding the somewhat strange layouts for some of the convoluted hallways and access paths for certain rooms (like the gravity amplifier etc).
Of course we see this on irl ships too, although that isnt an "excuse" per say.
But it just means you cant always design everything to be perfectly optimal. The devs really struggled to fit everything into the mesh.
I'd rather have a gravity amplifier room in a weird place, than NOT have that room at all but have wider more open logical routes.
15:25 I do not think that will just be an emergency air lock, in many science fiction shows (Such as Star Trek) the captain often has a "Captain's Yacht" or a special emergency vehicle that can be accessed from the bridge and which will act as an escape vessel. But that's just a theory... A space theory.
By the shape and size I'm pretty sure it's an interface for the MPUV-P pod, same as on a Javelin
Former USN. This thing is laid out much like an aircraft carrier. I’d imagine they took partial inspiration from one of our nuclear flat tops.
The medium gun turrets are also pretty effective against light fighters, its the S7 Turret thats only effektive against them at long ranges because of slow tracking.
I feel like the Argo Cargo storage is 100% for the Ship storage when it's not being used. You jump down there, hop in, and fly it up to where the cargo is being staged on the flight deck, or fly down to the off ship location that is staging cargo. It's would probably be making many loops after being pulled out, and then go back there, empty, when done.
notice how the cargo elevator goes right down onto the flight deck and right NEXT to one door, that says to me, it was meant to hold supplies and ordinance where you order from somewhere else which are then brought down via that elevator
and notice how the argo cargo dock has a bunch doors around it, that say to me its meant to be where personnel are transferred via argompuv PERSONNEL
its easy to forget that there are as of this writing 2 variants or the argo mpuv the c for cargo and the p for transporting people.
as an honorverse fan i 110% agree with Weber's ship design philosophy... warship bridges should be in the middle of the ship, not out on the hull where it's going to be the main target.
Co-ownership is indeed the best way forward with these naval and multi-crew ships. CIG needs to create some back-end tool for that! I would even go so far as creating a funding ledger/tool on the website or Org page for transparency or refunding sake.
there are 4 remote turrets with size 4 weapons (anti-fighter turrets) - 2 on top, 2 on the bottom. On the bridge those consoles you denoted as engineering are actually I believe gunnery. The K series variant is supposed to replace those with "PDC" turrets (i.e. AI).
What's the plate on the back of the Idris? I seem to remember its longrange radar can be brought up through that door. If that's the case it has to be a huge dish.
The separation of officers and enlisted is if anything more pronounced in the Navy than any other branch. Of course a real frigate also has a complement of over 200 sailors, and the only ship in star citizen that is remotely likely to hit that crew size is the Bengal, which will still be a tiny fraction of the crew size of an actual carrier. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a clearly defined officers country aboard the Bengal, but not surprised that they don’t have it on the Idris.
My org PXP found it yesterday and spent most the day playing cat a mouse with it. Never being able to catch up to it as it constantly kept jumping and never staying in one place. It did stop briefly at Orison abd several folks kept ramming it so it left never to be caught by my org. Im lucky to be in a org that has a few idiris's M. And looking forward in using it when it becomes flyable in game.
Is your org recruiting? I have an I-k and want to join an org that'll let me use it haha
There were both NPC Idris spawns and manual developer spawns of the Idris - just not on every server shard. If you want in on events like these, you have to do a lot of server-hopping and, by extension, a lot of logging in on different friends. I'm not sure if that'd be my first choice in designing an event like this at this stage of development. I'll just go ahead and guess that the NPC spawns may have had a bug that doesn't show up so well in front of a testing audience who aren't all obsessed with statistical analysis (which is just as well!)
Captain's Quarters are traditionally located in the immediate area of the bridge... typically adjacent or immediately above/below. This annoys me, as well.
ALSO! I did serve in the Navy with a number of years on Frigates. The berths/bunks and rooms appear reasonable and it is common for heads to be in ... inconvenient places, like afterthoughts! So overall, yes... and officer country tends to be on a different deck or in a different location on the ship from enlisted berths.
Can't wait to see the Idris in its feature-complete state! I sense very exciting capitol ship gameplay on the horizon. O7
I'm looking at this, thinking "gods, the Architect Reviews about this is going to be enormously long".
The amount of stuff in this ship is insane, and that's awesome.