Vorsprung Secus VS Standard B1 Debonair Lyrik, Back2Back
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Heres 2 back to back runs down Twisted Noodle at Waterfall Gully. First with the Vorsprung Secus installed, then with the fork back to standard B1 Debonair configuration. I found the standard setup to be more to my preference
cheer for the video! Just got my suspension serviced by Cyclinic, feels amazing so far compared to when SRAM Melb did it last December! I have an upgraded Yari RC2.1 / C1 spring. Fork I run 80psi, no air spacers, 4-6x clicks LSC depending on how much I need to lean on the fork, 0 HSC, approx 20% sag. I love that I dont feel the major hits of full travel use!! Keep up the great vids, has helped confirm my suspension set up understanding. :)
Nice! The guys at Cyclinic have been very professional anytime I’ve had interactions or work done with them. Great crew and reliable service
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Re your feddback on the Secus. It is pretty much the opposite to how I found it. Makes me wonder if it is not working properly or not quite lined up with the air chambers properly. I had a very early one that had no spacer and the holes in the footstud just didn't quite line up. It rode a fair bit like what you describe, I played with spacers and it came together. Rode so well, great grip, allowed LSC to really add control beyond what I'd experienced before and just felt supportive or strong as I think you'd call it. My favourite fork ever
Much different experience to me on a zeb, I'm at just above their recommended +20% pressure, probably at around 15% sag. I'm totally getting what the sales pitch says, suppler off the top and more stability in the middle, but no harshness, my bike feels loads better for it.
Thats killer. It might be the go for that air spring, another friend had it on a Zeb and got on with it as well.
@@mtbtelly5522 thanks for your feedback and review - I'm curious whether your Secus is functioning correctly though, because your stated pressures with/without were very close (where if you were running 2 tokens and 99psi stock, I would expect 115-120 and no tokens and for it to still be much softer in the initial travel), and you said (if I interpreted it correctly, because it wasn't verbatim) that the Secus was actually stiffer at the beginning of the travel than the stock setup? That is something which it definitely should not be - it should be very soft to the touch at the beginning of the travel even at much higher pressure. If you're so inclined, shoot us an email with the details of your settings and we'll run through a couple of checks. The Secus was originally developed on this very fork and compared back to back with the B1 air spring as well, and my personal experiences are quite the opposite to what you've described here, which makes me think something isn't quite right. steve at vorsprungsuspension dot com if you've got the time. Thanks!
@@VorsprungSuspension hey Steve thanks for the info. You may well be right about it not being working correctly. I’ve since removed it and am back running a standard setup with the b1 and no token at 99psi. I was fairly careful with the install so maybe theres something happening inside there.
Funny I’m actually living with a friend who used to work for you (James).
I’ll send you an email ✌🏼
@@mtbtelly5522 Sounds good!
@@mtbtelly5522 Interested in what the outcome of this was.
Have you considered a Fox 36 or a 38? What about the RockShox through shaft, have you got plans to swap it out for a Float X2?
I’ve spent a couple years on a 36 performance elite, and tested a couple of 38s so far. I wouldn’t buy either over a Lyrik Ultimate. They’re both excellent but I prefer the performance and simplicity of the Lyrik. I’m yet to test a Zeb properly though.
I wouldn’t go to a Float X2 from a Superdeluxe. They’re both great shocks but the X2 is high maintenance and can be troublesome to find an optimal setup.
Great video does that Secus make a rattle sound at all or is it completely silent like normal suspension
No rattle or any odd noises. I spoke in depth with Steve at Vorsprung, and he thinks I may have had an issue with the Secus when I tested it, relating to the air getting through the channels to where its supposed to go. So my opinion of the performance may not be accurate compared to a fully functional secus setup
Would you try a Luftkappe again on the newer Lyrik?
It would be great for you to one day take a look at the EXT Era fork and also the Vorsprung smashpot conversion into a Fox or Rockshox fork I am sure many of your viewers would be keen to hear your expert opinion.
I’m hanging to try the Smashpot, I’ve ridden a fox With smashpot but it was undersprung for me so I couldn’t really send it
@@mtbtelly5522 I'd be willing to lend you my Smashpot if interested, would be curious to hear your thoughts on it. Only have 40/45/50lbs springs though, so may still be undersprung.
@@IBCMTB wow thanks for the offer dude. As in the smashpot itself or the whole fork? I believe I can’t go back to air after installing a smashpot, so I’m not super keen on sacrificing the air spring for the test for now.
@@mtbtelly5522 It would probably need to be just the Smashpot - don't have a spare Lyrik at the moment otherwise would be happy to lend the fork, so probably not going to work out. It's worth noting that people have actually gone back to air from a Smashpot successfully before, me included on a Pike - ran the Smashpot for 4 months and pulled it out to warranty the CSU for creaking, no internal marking or damage at all & happily went back to running the original Debonair spring. For sure a gamble though and obviously something that can't be guaranteed.
@@IBCMTB mate thanks so much for the offer, I’ll wait and hopefully I come across a bike with it installed ready to roll, where do you live?
I have a question for you. Are you loosing air with the Secus? I am asking because I am.
No, the pressure has been consistent for me. Your can may not be sealed properly. Can you see oil traces on the can or at the footnut?
@@mtbtelly5522 I just found out. It is one of the o ring that got damaged in the installation process. It makes it loose air when I am riding or when the bike rest on the ground. If suspended. It does not leak. Thank for getting back to me. Will you do more testing with it? Or you done with it? Did you see the review on Pike Bike? For my part, I do notice a difference but I would not call it a game changer.
@@jeanboilard1624 ah yep so all sorted then?
Nah I’m done with the Secus, I’m more confident on the standard spring setup so I’ll stick with that for now. I’ll have a read on pinkbike
You can clearly see your hands aren’t moving around as much without the secus
Thats a good observation.
On reflection I think the Secus suffers a similar characteristic to the C1, which tells me it may perform well at this travel with 3 tokens installed and 10 psi less pressure. So take the stiffness away from the top (-psi), and replace it at the other end of the stroke with tokens (equivalent to 4-5psi per token) which should make the spring from sag feel more trustworthy and supportive. The downside would be the altered shape of the rebound curve. Or it may feel wooden at that setup. I would’ve tried it if I had thought of that possibility. Best case it did perform how I’m assuming, I’d still be a little underwhelmed by the overall performance vs the B1
How much do you weigh with gear?
75kg geared up
Have you ever set up a Fox 36 rhythm. The base model.
Not in depth, I’m unsure on the optimal token count in them as yet. Though I have set up a Marz Bomber Z1 which I believe is the same spring. And 3-4 tokens in there is what you want for a good spring curve
MTB Telly what travel was the z1
@@chadsugden411 it was a 160
Didn’t seem like you gave it a fair shake on the setup you went down one time
I had spent the previous day and a couple of runs before the filmed run setting the secus up looking for optimum setup. I’d say I did 6 runs on it maybe 7 including the filmed run. This was the best setup I could find so that was the benchmark to test against the B1 setup
I probably should’ve made that clear at the start of the vid
Sounds that the Secus seems not to get a recommendation 😊
Its not an improvement for my style of setup.
@@mtbtelly5522 yeah your standard setup looks way better. Just made a lower leg service on my Lyrik today. Took out the airshaft. Oh man there was plenty of grease run down into the negative chamber. Now it feels very sensitive again. I’m already looking forward to test it within the next days.. 😅
@@jim_morrison4583 on a side note, I’m no longer putting oil in the positive spring, it tends to migrate into the neg faster than with just grease, and just grease still feels excellent
@@mtbtelly5522 yeah I didn’t do that too. I just dropped very few drops of oil on the slightly greased airpiston before pushing it back into the fork. The grease that was in the negative chamber was very thin because it was mixed with some oil. Because I do the lower leg service recently I also do not need a lot of grease. Another question, what do you think about to remove the round topout bumper on the airshaft (B1) in the negative chamber to slightly increase the negative chamber?
@@jim_morrison4583 I personally have not tried it, I assume the topout bumper is necessary at higher pressures and fastish rebound so I’d leave it in myself. I’m not sure the lyrik needs much more neg, maybe a little. It would be cool to have an old solo air shaft with a Luftkappe. That was absolutely the bees knees in my 2018 Lyrik
Laughed when you said dont know how to discribe it. i think the word your looking for is crap ha ha .
Haha nah I wouldn’t go that far. It has potential to make people quite happy, but for me its not creating an improvement on what I can achieve without it