I think it's very unlikely that Clem would change races because he's dissatisfied with Terran, considering his comment about nerfing his own race. He may have played as Protoss to get a feel for the experience, identify the pros and cons, and develop better strategies against Protoss.
"Know thy enemy and know thyself and you need not fear the outcome of a Hundred battles, if you know yourself but not the enemy for every battle gained you will suffer a defeat, if you know neither yourself nor the enemy, you will succumb in every battle"
@@tacochaos5127 I think this is his largest motivator, he's been playing protoss for a couple years now; like Lowko mentioned he's the #1 protoss on the European server, and he was also the #2 protoss overall at one point as well. Its just rare we see him play in tournaments as protoss
Clem is definitely one of the best players when it comes to micro (at least one of the best terrans, maybe on Astrea level), so protoss could be quite a natural choice as its most micro intensive one. You could clearly see in first game his micro is still quite behind top protoss players and makes a lot of inefficiencies and mis-micro, but his decision making and killer instincts are still on top as protoss. He just doesnt hold back and when he smells blood, he goes for a kill and that often works. I would love to see him play protoss in tournamnets more often. Its fun to watch. Even better would be some all random tournaments, that would be fun and would really show who is OP because of being good and who only play stronger races :)
What about instead of making everyone play "random" you make a rule that says if you win with a race, you can't play that race again in the series. So if it's a best of 5, and you win with Terran, for the 2nd game you have to pick Zerg or Protoss, then if you pick Protoss and win, then you have to play Zerg and win to win the series against your opponent.
In AoE playing multiple civs is mandatory. Mostly because In tournaments you can play civ only once in one bo3 or bo5 and You choose civ not knowing who you fight against, so there is a little mind game there. Which civ is better on that map, which civ is better against that civ, what civs have your enemy available to pick etc...
@~12:00 Random doesn't work for AoE2 either. Some civs on certain maps just dick others completely. You roll Koreans on an Islands map and your opponent rolls Goth or something, you have a huge advantage as Koreans are a naval civ while Goths are an infantry civ. Part of AoE2 strategy is picking appropriate civs for the map
It's interesting to me that even before the balance changes these pros played Protoss as the off-race to avoid mirror matchups. Apparently it's a good choice.
I've always wondered how impactful it would be if protoss players put more emphasis on using their stalkers to focus down medivacs during small skirmishes instead of letting them spread their shots among the marines and mauraders who are getting healed by said medivacs. At least in the first game it seems to have worked quite well for Clem.
I mean sure Clem is a phanomenal player but I think we are all on the same page: that the ghost is comperetivly overloaded in terms of power in one single unit, wich doesnt mean it is broken or overpowered.
I think the fact it has all of those powers kind of is. The powers by themselves are fine, but together they mean you really have no reason to build anything but ghost, removing a part of the game's strategy
Don’t mind Ghost having decent card to play in either matchup, but aren’t ghost spells too cheap for what they do? or maybe everyone else’s spells are absurdly overpriced? Other races having to rely on dodgible gimicks half the time and don’t get refund if their spell wasn’t effective…. hmmm…🤔
Thats because Protoss are cool but a little weaker than the other 2. Terran for instance has an answer to anything Protoss can do. rushing Templar Archon no problem EMP, going Skytoss great got defense towers and battle cruiser plus numerous units that can be anti air. It is almost as though the Terran and zerg have been built to counter Protoss. Granted most toss units are a little tougher 1v1 against their equivalent but you know that Toss is either rushing gateways and storming everything or doing a Tempest focused air attack. Carrier if you are old school. But honestly the options for Toss seem a lot more restricted. I think if they were given a few new units, it would make things a lot more interesting so long as they open up options.
> "early game is what clem can play with protoss" > clem immediately loosing adept to a widow mine he saw burrowing, like a silver > lowko trying to save his face: "nice snipe" like widow mines require micro xDDD
Your description of the tournament illustrates how terrible they have made the Protoss over the years. When I returned to this game after being away for a very long time I was completely appalled by what they have done.
If there was some god-level player in StarCraft he would obviously be playing all the races at the same time. To just choose which one is better against which opponent
On assault mode(the robot mode) it apparently does. Since when? Since a certain patch of Legacy of Void. That's why the Vikings shred through several siege tanks and scv in the video without much aid from the ravens and allied siege tanks. Where did he get it? Either from his experience or from the wiki. In any case, I suppose it's just for multiplayer stuff.
@aliceborg254 Clem lost to Gumiho when playing terran because of the bad drop at the start, and he lost 41 scv's when Gumiho went across the map. How do you recover from that?
@@aliceborg254 He had a much easier time playing pvt because of the bad drop, it screwed up the whole game. Terran is good at recovering, but when the other player is also Terran, you can't recover.
there is no way to correctly balance any game, if u balance the game for high level players only u risk getting a smaller player count, but if u balance the game for the casual (mid level) players the pro scene risks getting worse or less variety of wat u usually see. now in almost all cases its better to throw the pro scene under the bus because the game dies without having ppl actually play the game. the best 2 examples i can think of for this is world of warcraft and super smash bros, WOW pretty much only made raids for the top level players and saw a lower completion rate for raids over time, and in the case of smash ultimate ganondorf is so useless at high level that he is at this point in a tier of his own at bottom tier, but in more casual games he is still 1 of the more dominant characters. and in smash there are a lot of tournaments where top 8 or top 16 will have like 5 ppl playing rob or steve.
I still don't get it how Medivacs can heal Terran bio units while on the ground. I think they should be healed while inside the medivac. While Protoss can't develop a flying shield battery or the mothership having the ability to transfer it's energy to it's unit.
That sounds terrible. Blink allins would be extremely hard to stop. In a lot of pushes protoss already have a warpprism to reinforce their warpins. That is going to make protoss broken.
i was scared of the title i thougth it will mean that protoz was op and if it was i am hoping that at least keep the mothership changes, especiali the new atack
I would like to point out that alot of the "dumb mistakes" protoss players make adpet dies to widow mine. random drop dealing 10 probes of damage. exist also within clem's play. so either clem just by switching to protoss got stupid or... just hear me out protoss early game + deffense are garbage
Or Clem's mistakes could be the product of him not having even 10% of the practice with Toss as he does with Terran, so his execution isnt as clean. Like im sure if you switched to an offrace, your micro also wouldnt be as efficient as it normally is.
@@bloodydove5718 so when he's fine vs the widow mines that's just him being good. and when he walks a unit into a widow mine. "lol 10% skill." no. it's 95% of skill, we see people offrace and they tend to be strong macro and micro, but they aren't as good at judging positions, or understanding nuances/chesse. but no, clem's comments before about protoss early game being garbage. and the general community sentiment that toss can just fall over were apparently not displayed because.... clem's offracing? but we don't take opinion from people who main toss soooo.... GG guess you got me TOSS IMBA players just bad.
Dude shut up. He absolutely dominated gumiho with his blink micro while macroing like a god and defending his drop. Yes he lost an adept to a widowmine, sure. Everything else from the warp prism blink micro to the forceifields were perfect. I genuinely think he micros better than showtime.
50 50 early days .. but serral loses to clem more nowadays.. what? got swept at final.. what op terran... he played toss against gumi.. aren't gumi god
I have to say i use to give thumbs up every video and sometimes comment, but this is the first time I have done either in the past 2-3 months. As soon as the names start scrolling at the end it makes me dizzy and I just leave the video without commenting or rating.
3:35 couldnt Clem block the CC from landing and force the marines out to trade ? Seems like he could get an edge here, but hey I'm no world champion so I'll stfu now.
With all the balance whining being pretty results orientated anyway the approach the counsel had of "lets just nerf camping from all races" was correct I think. That being said for some reason we nerf the ghost instead of terran camping because they listened to the monkey community that loves carriers, but at least someone had the correct idea even if it wasn't implemented.
Terran update: All Terran mech units now have a self destruct ability. This is upgraded in the fusion core. After 4 sec the unit explodes doing its max health in damage to all units and buildings in X range. Cancelled if killed.
Honestly most of the matchups that suck have protoss in them. Protoss matchups were never fun to watch historically. If protoss got removed, no one would care.
@@aliceborg254 no no no we NEED to have around the race that everyone always want to be buffed and we should remove the race that everyone want to be nerfed! 😀
![Clem vs herO (TvP) - WardiTV Mondays 13 [StarCraft 2]](/img/1.gif)
spawn location is my biggest weakness. they always spawn me on maps with people that are better than me.
The audacity!
@@jayyrod1 I know right
nice one lol
bad wording, i think you wanted to say: more lucky then you..
Clem : "Nerf the ghost, he's really too powerful ..."
Also Clem : *Switch race when the nerf drops*
I think it's very unlikely that Clem would change races because he's dissatisfied with Terran, considering his comment about nerfing his own race. He may have played as Protoss to get a feel for the experience, identify the pros and cons, and develop better strategies against Protoss.
He may also just like protoss but feel like they're too weak to win tournaments with
Definitely, it's really just a gigantic flex.
"Know thy enemy and know thyself and you need not fear the outcome of a Hundred battles, if you know yourself but not the enemy for every battle gained you will suffer a defeat, if you know neither yourself nor the enemy, you will succumb in every battle"
@@tacochaos5127 I think this is his largest motivator, he's been playing protoss for a couple years now; like Lowko mentioned he's the #1 protoss on the European server, and he was also the #2 protoss overall at one point as well. Its just rare we see him play in tournaments as protoss
Clem is secretly MaxPax.
So that’s why he wanted Terran to get nerfed. XD
Clem is definitely one of the best players when it comes to micro (at least one of the best terrans, maybe on Astrea level), so protoss could be quite a natural choice as its most micro intensive one. You could clearly see in first game his micro is still quite behind top protoss players and makes a lot of inefficiencies and mis-micro, but his decision making and killer instincts are still on top as protoss. He just doesnt hold back and when he smells blood, he goes for a kill and that often works.
I would love to see him play protoss in tournamnets more often. Its fun to watch.
Even better would be some all random tournaments, that would be fun and would really show who is OP because of being good and who only play stronger races :)
That aggressive blink over looks like Clam trying to find out how Maxpax got him
Assume you mean that micro around 6mins. That was insane! Clem just wakes up and plays his off race with that much skill on a random Tuesday…
What about instead of making everyone play "random" you make a rule that says if you win with a race, you can't play that race again in the series. So if it's a best of 5, and you win with Terran, for the 2nd game you have to pick Zerg or Protoss, then if you pick Protoss and win, then you have to play Zerg and win to win the series against your opponent.
10:52 lowFlex
In AoE playing multiple civs is mandatory. Mostly because In tournaments you can play civ only once in one bo3 or bo5 and You choose civ not knowing who you fight against, so there is a little mind game there. Which civ is better on that map, which civ is better against that civ, what civs have your enemy available to pick etc...
6:54 Gumiho just showing Clem THAT YOU DONT LEAVE JIMMY BEHIND!!!!! HE HAS KERRIGAN TRAUMA! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!😅
I love mirrors just as much as the rest, dont understand the dislike :/
another great Lowko casting of an awesome series ... I'll watch it later
Mirror matchup would be very fun to watch. Long time no see.
Haven't seen a gumiho game in a long time. Give us another one please.
I would like to have an all random tournament. That would be fun
I would love more mirror matches on the channel
@~12:00
Random doesn't work for AoE2 either. Some civs on certain maps just dick others completely. You roll Koreans on an Islands map and your opponent rolls Goth or something, you have a huge advantage as Koreans are a naval civ while Goths are an infantry civ.
Part of AoE2 strategy is picking appropriate civs for the map
great games! great series!
It's interesting to me that even before the balance changes these pros played Protoss as the off-race to avoid mirror matchups. Apparently it's a good choice.
PLEASE MORE MIRROR MATCHES!!!
Problem wasn't Clem winning world championship, but him smashing Serral 4-0 in finals, in games that weren't even close.
I've always wondered how impactful it would be if protoss players put more emphasis on using their stalkers to focus down medivacs during small skirmishes instead of letting them spread their shots among the marines and mauraders who are getting healed by said medivacs. At least in the first game it seems to have worked quite well for Clem.
I love the thumbnail
wow! last game tho. everything Clem did, gone wrong for him. poor fella. How unlucky and frustrating, i would've flipped the desk and rage quit lol
I would like to see more mirror matchups, even if it's just every once in a while.
I mean sure Clem is a phanomenal player but I think we are all on the same page: that the ghost is comperetivly overloaded in terms of power in one single unit, wich doesnt mean it is broken or overpowered.
I think the fact it has all of those powers kind of is. The powers by themselves are fine, but together they mean you really have no reason to build anything but ghost, removing a part of the game's strategy
Don’t mind Ghost having decent card to play in either matchup, but aren’t ghost spells too cheap for what they do? or maybe everyone else’s spells are absurdly overpriced? Other races having to rely on dodgible gimicks half the time and don’t get refund if their spell wasn’t effective…. hmmm…🤔
Nerf blink allins and you can nerf ghosts more if you want.
@@aliceborg254 Honestly not sure how people loose to blink-all-ins at anything short of grand-master level blink micro…🤔
@@MarsStarcruiser Real question is how do protoss lose to marine marauder timings in gm. Not sure :)
In compatible AoE II there are pick and bans on maps and nations - so pros need to play any nation
16:57 Clem cancelled immortalat 95% to make observer which weaken his defense.
maxpax zerg next
Maxpax's play terran on the ladder a lot, so it's more likely to see his terran
Scarlet is Canada's #1 Toss
Thanks for the video Lowko. Even the world champion is tempted by the Protoss? Oh boy. ❤
protoss is the best and funnest race in sc2
We should just have everyone play random. Best way to see balance.
I've Been Having Nightmares About This
Very close to my mirror matchup request thanks lowko I’ll take it
i cant believe clem is a patchtoss
Betrayal!
Thats because Protoss are cool but a little weaker than the other 2. Terran for instance has an answer to anything Protoss can do. rushing Templar Archon no problem EMP, going Skytoss great got defense towers and battle cruiser plus numerous units that can be anti air. It is almost as though the Terran and zerg have been built to counter Protoss. Granted most toss units are a little tougher 1v1 against their equivalent but you know that Toss is either rushing gateways and storming everything or doing a Tempest focused air attack. Carrier if you are old school. But honestly the options for Toss seem a lot more restricted. I think if they were given a few new units, it would make things a lot more interesting so long as they open up options.
still that, 7 Orbitals gains so much, 7 nexus gains so little.
Reynor sometimes switches to Protos, Clem switches to Protos, who's next? Serral? Maru?
I honestly believe pro players do this to gain new insight in the matchup
Let's see MaxPax vs. Zoun sometime, lol. Both recently beat Clem, let's see how they do against each other 😂.
> "early game is what clem can play with protoss"
> clem immediately loosing adept to a widow mine he saw burrowing, like a silver
> lowko trying to save his face: "nice snipe" like widow mines require micro xDDD
So Clem said, there's no protoss champion lately huh?
Hello Lowko have a nice day
Your description of the tournament illustrates how terrible they have made the Protoss over the years. When I returned to this game after being away for a very long time I was completely appalled by what they have done.
Just play like clem. Easy.
14 out of 16 players in the tournament are Protoss and none is them gets to the finals? Oh man...
Gumigod vs Clemothy Chalamet
If there was some god-level player in StarCraft he would obviously be playing all the races at the same time. To just choose which one is better against which opponent
Are there any random players on tournament level?
I’d say my favorite two matchups are pvp and zvz, however I’m really not a fan of terrans 🤷♂️
lol !!!! unexpected outcome
14/16 are protos in a tourney.
The finals are Z v T. 😂
24:40
where did you get that Vikings deal bonus damage vs mech? it never did
On assault mode(the robot mode) it apparently does. Since when? Since a certain patch of Legacy of Void.
That's why the Vikings shred through several siege tanks and scv in the video without much aid from the ravens and allied siege tanks.
Where did he get it? Either from his experience or from the wiki.
In any case, I suppose it's just for multiplayer stuff.
Idiots like you shouldn't be allowed to leave comments.
NOO MOM I DONT WANT TO EAT MY TERRAN VS TERRAN
I want pvp Clem vs Reynor
good match
so you mean he suggested nerf the ghost and switched to Protoss?
Clem probably feeling like playing terran is too easy at the moment and wants to switch it up to stay challenged lol
Wasn't very challenign to blink into a tank and go mass zealot. Protoss micro is no where near as hard as terran micro and this game proves it.
He beat gumiho easily with a race he has less experience in but lost with his main race. Explain how protoss is harder than terran?
@aliceborg254 Clem lost to Gumiho when playing terran because of the bad drop at the start, and he lost 41 scv's when Gumiho went across the map. How do you recover from that?
@@Shadow_01921 My point is, being the best terran in the world, he had a much easier time playing p v t instead of t v t.
@@aliceborg254 He had a much easier time playing pvt because of the bad drop, it screwed up the whole game. Terran is good at recovering, but when the other player is also Terran, you can't recover.
there is no way to correctly balance any game, if u balance the game for high level players only u risk getting a smaller player count, but if u balance the game for the casual (mid level) players the pro scene risks getting worse or less variety of wat u usually see. now in almost all cases its better to throw the pro scene under the bus because the game dies without having ppl actually play the game. the best 2 examples i can think of for this is world of warcraft and super smash bros, WOW pretty much only made raids for the top level players and saw a lower completion rate for raids over time, and in the case of smash ultimate ganondorf is so useless at high level that he is at this point in a tier of his own at bottom tier, but in more casual games he is still 1 of the more dominant characters. and in smash there are a lot of tournaments where top 8 or top 16 will have like 5 ppl playing rob or steve.
Let's go!
I still don't get it how Medivacs can heal Terran bio units while on the ground. I think they should be healed while inside the medivac. While Protoss can't develop a flying shield battery or the mothership having the ability to transfer it's energy to it's unit.
Yeah good point a mobile shield battery would make more sense than a medivac "heal beam"
That sounds terrible. Blink allins would be extremely hard to stop. In a lot of pushes protoss already have a warpprism to reinforce their warpins. That is going to make protoss broken.
@@aliceborg254 I understand what you're saying. I'm just comparing game design mechanics not game balance.
Anyone who's ever played TvT knows why Clem avoided it
Mirror matches are as balanced as it will ever get. No advantages or disadvantages. If you lose, it is because you got outplayed.
i was scared of the title i thougth it will mean that protoz was op and if it was i am hoping that at least keep the mothership changes, especiali the new atack
i want lowrank maps still. idyle probes n everything. it shows one why to appreciate the top players.
World champion switched race?? Nerf Protoss right now!!
does this mean clem is Proterran ? Protoss n terran
Two games lost by Clem, because lowko decides to cast them. Seems like some kind of curse...😂
Or is it because I'm watching? 🤔🤣
Lowko! shoooow me the PvP pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do love to see it =(
I would like to point out that alot of the "dumb mistakes" protoss players make adpet dies to widow mine. random drop dealing 10 probes of damage. exist also within clem's play.
so either clem just by switching to protoss got stupid or... just hear me out protoss early game + deffense are garbage
Or Clem's mistakes could be the product of him not having even 10% of the practice with Toss as he does with Terran, so his execution isnt as clean. Like im sure if you switched to an offrace, your micro also wouldnt be as efficient as it normally is.
@@bloodydove5718 execution... yeah
@@bloodydove5718 so when he's fine vs the widow mines that's just him being good. and when he walks a unit into a widow mine. "lol 10% skill."
no. it's 95% of skill, we see people offrace and they tend to be strong macro and micro, but they aren't as good at judging positions, or understanding nuances/chesse.
but no, clem's comments before about protoss early game being garbage. and the general community sentiment that toss can just fall over were apparently not displayed because.... clem's offracing? but we don't take opinion from people who main toss soooo.... GG guess you got me TOSS IMBA players just bad.
Dude shut up. He absolutely dominated gumiho with his blink micro while macroing like a god and defending his drop. Yes he lost an adept to a widowmine, sure. Everything else from the warp prism blink micro to the forceifields were perfect. I genuinely think he micros better than showtime.
@@aliceborg254 faster yes. but generally, no.
Clem's been winning too much, he wants to experience what it's like playing the weakest race in the game 😂
He made that weak race look pretty broken. You all talk like your protoss race is so hard. He clapped gumiho easily the first game. Come on.
I'd watch pvp if I could tell the difference between which units are on which team. They look too similar
I wonder why Clem switched to protos?
More fun than monotonous terran or zerg
Is it just me, or is Clem losing quite a lot of his games? I don't ever remembering Serral losing anywhere near as many when he was champ.
50 50 early days .. but serral loses to clem more nowadays.. what? got swept at final.. what op terran... he played toss against gumi.. aren't gumi god
I have to say i use to give thumbs up every video and sometimes comment, but this is the first time I have done either in the past 2-3 months. As soon as the names start scrolling at the end it makes me dizzy and I just leave the video without commenting or rating.
Womp… womp?
Clems micro the first game was impressive. He could easily be the best protoss if he plays enough games.
lets go
I am stuck at 5000 MMR
Meanwhile: me won 1000 games 2012 start never went above daimond😂 got no apm and macro but I can micro gm like
hey
More PvP and tvt! More!!! Less zerg. Zerg a move imba
3:35 couldnt Clem block the CC from landing and force the marines out to trade ? Seems like he could get an edge here, but hey I'm no world champion so I'll stfu now.
Boo no Zerg
🫶🏼
With all the balance whining being pretty results orientated anyway the approach the counsel had of "lets just nerf camping from all races" was correct I think. That being said for some reason we nerf the ghost instead of terran camping because they listened to the monkey community that loves carriers, but at least someone had the correct idea even if it wasn't implemented.
No views in 10 seconds bro fell off smh
never gonna get tired of these kinds of comments
ded gaem confirmed?
@@LowkoTV Sc2 was always dead; only retarded people like me watch it.
Do you think pro players gets same vibe for switching races what u get for cheating on your wife
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Terran update: All Terran mech units now have a self destruct ability. This is upgraded in the fusion core. After 4 sec the unit explodes doing its max health in damage to all units and buildings in X range. Cancelled if killed.
Still affects more games than Disruption Web
14 out of 16 protoss and they still cant win a tournaments xD anyone still think its not a skill issue ? xD
just remove terran. 😂
Honestly most of the matchups that suck have protoss in them. Protoss matchups were never fun to watch historically. If protoss got removed, no one would care.
@@aliceborg254 no no no we NEED to have around the race that everyone always want to be buffed
and we should remove the race that everyone want to be nerfed! 😀
@@ErenisRanitos I agree
# remove protoss lol get out of here with your stupid cheesy builds.