The Squire SS80CS is larger in every dimension, weighs 4.85lbs by itself, and has a heavily shrouded 16mm shackle. It is designed to allow only one link of chain through it though, so it will only work with chains that have long end links to fit through each other. THANK YOU for your tests of these high security, very expensive padlocks! You're like the Consumer Reports of locks!
@@toddsmithselbow1732 I have no idea why there are no squared shackle padlocks but a bolt cutter attack would still defeat them in the perfect circumstances anyways. Anything below 16mm can be cropped no matter the hardness or type of alloy as Irwin 42 inch croppers have a maximum tensile force of 16 tonnes. If it can't be cut it can be broken, it's physics, it has to do with the angle of the handles of the cutters. 16mm and above of hardened steel is completely impossible to crop manually
@@juanbaclavab Well it seems like certain instances even 12.7mm is almost bolt cutter proof. I'm not sure if by being square it's more material than a 12.7mm round chain counterpart or what. But it seems like if this Abus's 15mm round shackle was even 14mm squared and hardened like that Pewag chain, it would have stood up to it. ruclips.net/video/ujelHfT1onA/видео.html
Hi Wayne, There's actually a larger, handy dandy window access to the pins if you turn the key counter clockwise after pushing the rekey pin in. It doesn't make much of a difference, but it's a bit easier to dump the original 0 bitting pins out that way. Also, if you want to use the original core and have 6 pins, there's a teeny bag with a top spool, spring, and a specially cut brass square piece so you can install 6 pins easily. I really appreciate you testing this lock by the way - it gives people like me a good idea how resistant that lock is to forced entry. You make a good point about how important shrouding is to making a lock resistant to bolt cutter attacks.
That ABUS 83/80 Padlock retails for about $120.00. From what the price book states, other keying options or adapters for high security cylinders such as Medeco, ASSA or Schlage Primus is also available for use with this padlock... in addition to a longer shackle diameter to accommodate larger chain (such as 14mm). The Abus 83/80 padlock sports a 5/8" diameter shackle. Whereas American & Master Lock only offers a maximum shackle diameter of 7/16" on their largest of padlocks.
Glad to see you testing these locks to extremes but also sad and difficulty seeing you beat it up with a hammer! Yeah, super hard shackles like anything similar will eventually crack but no normal human even with the largest bolt cutters in the field will open that lock like you said.. (without a grinder). The Squire is not available in Australia so I'll be getting the Abus and probably upgrade the core and still come out with change. They now make a CS so that'll be in the cart soon! Thanks for doing these tests and reviews Wayne! ;)
lifeisgood070 Check this video out, this is what TSA does to a Locks when they’re assholes. You might also enjoy this guys channel he’s a major speaker at hacker cons, knowledgeable in very many areas. ruclips.net/video/hFUuih9rorQ/видео.html
Very nice review, I sometimes wish all lock manufacturers watch the real review videos of there products... And here is the key... make the changes in there products to make them better.
I'm sure companies do their research. Only, it makes business sense that most locks are manufactured with volume sales in mind. They would rather have a not-so-strong, cheaper lock, that they can sell 10 million units of, instead of having a super strong lock of which they can sell only 10 thousand units.
The angle grinder attack is scary. However, there isn't any security devices that are commercially available to adequately resist this sort of an attack... Another scary attack method is the use of a plasma torch or a thermal lance. Both are equally as effective and destructive.
Hi I like your videos, honest , thats what we want and get every time , keep them coming. ant suggestions on grinder proof or grinder resistant padlocks/ u locks for a bike or anything else for that matter?
Love the videos Wayne! Thanks for providing much needed detail and info. I have a custom mountain bike coming my way soon, and the thought of losing it is terrifying. Question - would you prefer this lock to to your custom ASSA built lock?
Hey Wayne! Love the channel man. Been watching your videos everyday before work it's starting to become part of the daily routine haha. I have a Honda Ruckus scooter that I am trying to protect as best as I can and so far you have inspired me to order some Pewag. I'm just having trouble deciding on a pad lock. Do you know of some of the better padlocks that are shackle shrouded and can hold the 7/16 / 12mm pewag chain? Keep it up man this channel is great
Well, nice channel Wayne! I just bought a new motorcycle and I am looking for a way to prevent someone from stealing it, I am thinking of buying this ABUS 83/80 + a Pewag chain 1/2 inch (who uses inches? mm ftw xD) with grade 120. What do you think of it? Is it completely anti bolt cutters? I live in Portugal so they usually don't steal bikes with grinders here. Keep up the good work, new bikers and people interested in securing something have a lot to search the web for the real, and genuine tests, your channel saved me some precious time. Thanks ;)
The angle grinder was literally like a very hot knife through very warm butter, 10 seconds and it was through! 🤠💨😎. The Abus 83/80 is about $115.00 depending on where you shop around.😑
Abloy PL362 meets Abus 83/80 whilst strollin....Abus awestruck for sure n steps aside fast as ain't dissin this bad-ass...Abloy nods but no change in gait or style, saunters past breezing chill-easy, no sweat bro just passin thru! 🤖💨😎
Just curious, what does the Tat on your left hand, below knuckle signify/mean? FYI, I came across you website in my own personal effort to increase and or become more secure in my home/condo.There are those who do in life and those who Do Not. Your in the Do category and then some.
Wayne Winton I have worn a watch since 6th grade everyday and always hated rings. I never married since I asked the only one I truly loved 27 years ago.
S and G are available on ebay and always have been. Only the military ones are restricted until sold 2nd hand. They are stupid expensive though so the Abus still takes the cake.
I got 5 of these off amazon.com (chepaer there) and I also have a fagettabout it lock (18mm) plus two peweg 3012 chains and one 14mm abus chain to secure my zero turn lawn mower, two chains are wrapped around the axel
Great video showing how good the Abus series are but may want to ever look into a better camera or better editing SW. that floating zoom and panning is a bit annoying on the eyes.
bolt cutters are not relevant any more. nearly all thefts of top end cycles and motorbikes are done with battery powered handheld grinders. this is epidemic in london now
Ip Freeley London seems to be the thievery capital of the world in regards to bikes and push bikes. How the hell did that happen. Gotta booby trap the lock for the angle grinder.
often consider the best why to secure select contents of cargo van alarm window grates other locks a way to prevent front doors from opening even if windows are smashed and finally an idea addition of steel stock through bolted to portion of interior frame that allows say this lock to be connected to chain, select larger tools or expensive bikes and then through the steel stock assume your work van was left in a remote location for two hours surrounded by thieves... with massive bolt cutters and battery powered cutter/ grinder best set up? would like to also be able to head out on day hikes, extended weekend camping- miles off roads/ parking lot and with at least several items locked in and to portion of van... perhaps in a fabricated smaller strong box but with heavy duty locks alarms are often easily disabled or if 15 miles away by foot ...useless.
No one is dumb enough to attempt to cut that shackle with any bolt cutter in the field. These days I don’t even carry bolt cutters. My cordless grinder is all I use. Note: I don’t think there’s a strongman alive today that can use the bolt cutters you used to cut that shackle open with just their muscle
Wayne you are offering a great service to the public, have you thought about doing a croud funding page though, at leaset if successful you wouldn't need to spend your own money, just a thought
I would bet any amount of money that no one is walking into your garage and cutting that lock with bolt cutters. That’s why my atvs are secured with it.
Made in Germany ist das beste was es auf der Welt gibt,bei Autos,Werkzeugmaschinen ,selbst bei so einen simplen Vorhängeschloss keiner kann uns das Wasser reichen.
Чтобы снять этот замок с цепи, нужно его раскусить в ещё одном месте. Вы работу до конца не сделали. Замок не открыт. Оба конца дужки зафиксированы шариками в корпусе.
the lock is important, but the most important is the chain, both most work together, come on you have to put a tractor to break this shit, it is very strong
This method of using the blot cutter is outdated as now bike thieves use cordless grinders. They do this in UK during day light with plenty of people around and they just don't care.
I hate this because u know no matter what your motorbike can be stolen in a couple mins with the tools that come out now people should need proof of what job your using it for
can you do a test of the Litelok bike lock? Their internal video shows it resisting bolt cutters, saws and even prolong attack with angle grinder. I purchased one but wonder if it's really that strong, but I don't trust the company video. ruclips.net/video/KB2ghne7sOU/видео.html
often consider the best why to secure select contents of cargo van alarm window grates other locks a way to prevent front doors from opening even if windows are smashed and finally an idea addition of steel stock through bolted to portion of interior frame that allows say this lock to be connected to chain, select larger tools or expensive bikes and then through the steel stock assume your work van was left in a remote location for two hours surrounded by thieves... with massive bolt cutters and battery powered cutter/ grinder best set up? would like to also be able to head out on day hikes, extended weekend camping- miles off roads/ parking lot and with at least several items locked in and to portion of van... perhaps in a fabricated smaller strong box but with heavy duty locks alarms are often easily disabled or if 15 miles away by foot ...useless.
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The Squire SS80CS is larger in every dimension, weighs 4.85lbs by itself, and has a heavily shrouded 16mm shackle. It is designed to allow only one link of chain through it though, so it will only work with chains that have long end links to fit through each other.
THANK YOU for your tests of these high security, very expensive padlocks! You're like the Consumer Reports of locks!
Thanks!
well with that lock I would cut the chain not padlock
My Chain it tougher than the lock 😀 look up bolt cutter proof chain here on RUclips
atfsgeoff multilock used to sell an 18mm shackle. Stout.
i don't know how i ended up here, but this is oddly one of the most satisfying channels on RUclips
Mohammad Abboud breaking stuff is fun no matter who you are 😉
absolutely brilliant! thank you for doing these tests.
np
maXim0200 ..
THANK YOU for posting another great video, showing what we all need to know about which locks are the best for security. Thanks Wayne
The Abus Granit insurance rated lock has the shrouds etc..
Why don't they just use the same grade steel as the Pewag chain for the lock shackle ?
that's a square link chain, it's much more difficult to get thru using bolt cutters.
@@juanbaclavab Begs the question, then why not use a square shackle on the padlock? Some of the Abus u lock use the squared shackle.
@@toddsmithselbow1732 I have no idea why there are no squared shackle padlocks but a bolt cutter attack would still defeat them in the perfect circumstances anyways. Anything below 16mm can be cropped no matter the hardness or type of alloy as Irwin 42 inch croppers have a maximum tensile force of 16 tonnes. If it can't be cut it can be broken, it's physics, it has to do with the angle of the handles of the cutters. 16mm and above of hardened steel is completely impossible to crop manually
@@juanbaclavab Well it seems like certain instances even 12.7mm is almost bolt cutter proof. I'm not sure if by being square it's more material than a 12.7mm round chain counterpart or what. But it seems like if this Abus's 15mm round shackle was even 14mm squared and hardened like that Pewag chain, it would have stood up to it. ruclips.net/video/ujelHfT1onA/видео.html
Hi Wayne,
There's actually a larger, handy dandy window access to the pins if you turn the key counter clockwise after pushing the rekey pin in. It doesn't make much of a difference, but it's a bit easier to dump the original 0 bitting pins out that way. Also, if you want to use the original core and have 6 pins, there's a teeny bag with a top spool, spring, and a specially cut brass square piece so you can install 6 pins easily. I really appreciate you testing this lock by the way - it gives people like me a good idea how resistant that lock is to forced entry. You make a good point about how important shrouding is to making a lock resistant to bolt cutter attacks.
Keep them coming please, even smaller models of locks like the 65 series Abus etc....
I'm working on it.
thank you so much for all your videos i took my best decison buying a lock for my car hauler trailer good job
That ABUS 83/80 Padlock retails for about $120.00. From what the price book states, other keying options or adapters for high security cylinders such as Medeco, ASSA or Schlage Primus is also available for use with this padlock... in addition to a longer shackle diameter to accommodate larger chain (such as 14mm). The Abus 83/80 padlock sports a 5/8" diameter shackle. Whereas American & Master Lock only offers a maximum shackle diameter of 7/16" on their largest of padlocks.
Glad to see you testing these locks to extremes but also sad and difficulty seeing you beat it up with a hammer! Yeah, super hard shackles like anything similar will eventually crack but no normal human even with the largest bolt cutters in the field will open that lock like you said.. (without a grinder). The Squire is not available in Australia so I'll be getting the Abus and probably upgrade the core and still come out with change. They now make a CS so that'll be in the cart soon! Thanks for doing these tests and reviews Wayne! ;)
What kind of lock would you recommend for a pelican toolcase? hole is like 8.5mm in diameter and requires 13/16" or 1" of shackle length
lifeisgood070 Check this video out, this is what TSA does to a Locks when they’re assholes. You might also enjoy this guys channel he’s a major speaker at hacker cons, knowledgeable in very many areas.
ruclips.net/video/hFUuih9rorQ/видео.html
Very nice review,
I sometimes wish all lock manufacturers watch the real review videos of there products... And here is the key... make the changes in there products to make them better.
Me too
I'm sure companies do their research. Only, it makes business sense that most locks are manufactured with volume sales in mind. They would rather have a not-so-strong, cheaper lock, that they can sell 10 million units of, instead of having a super strong lock of which they can sell only 10 thousand units.
have you done a video on the Abus 37/80 padlock?
Bob Long Yeah good luck trying to bolt cut that lock esp with a chain loop through it. Lol 37/80 is excellent lock imo.
The angle grinder attack is scary. However, there isn't any security devices that are commercially available to adequately resist this sort of an attack...
Another scary attack method is the use of a plasma torch or a thermal lance. Both are equally as effective and destructive.
I mean if you wanna Putin that much effort you might as well steal the bike at gunpoint lol
Hi I like your videos, honest , thats what we want and get every time , keep them coming.
ant suggestions on grinder proof or grinder resistant padlocks/ u locks for a bike or anything else for that matter?
Guarded shackle and placement up high where croppers can't be pushed against anything makes things much more difficult
What size pewag chain did u use for this lock demo. Im looking for this type of setup in a hi theft area. Thank you very very much for the video.
He uses a 12mm Pewag.
well, at first nice Video. I think that this lock is really strong. an normal thief can't make such a big cut to this lock. and i might buy this lock.
Love the videos Wayne! Thanks for providing much needed detail and info. I have a custom mountain bike coming my way soon, and the thought of losing it is terrifying. Question - would you prefer this lock to to your custom ASSA built lock?
The ASSA is much more secure.
Hey Wayne! Love the channel man. Been watching your videos everyday before work it's starting to become part of the daily routine haha. I have a Honda Ruckus scooter that I am trying to protect as best as I can and so far you have inspired me to order some Pewag. I'm just having trouble deciding on a pad lock. Do you know of some of the better padlocks that are shackle shrouded and can hold the 7/16 / 12mm pewag chain? Keep it up man this channel is great
ThX!
just sent a pic to your email with two pics of how I prevent the jaws from getting a good hold on to the shackle, let me know what you think please
another nice one Wayne!
Well, nice channel Wayne! I just bought a new motorcycle and I am looking for a way to prevent someone from stealing it, I am thinking of buying this ABUS 83/80 + a Pewag chain 1/2 inch (who uses inches? mm ftw xD) with grade 120. What do you think of it? Is it completely anti bolt cutters? I live in Portugal so they usually don't steal bikes with grinders here.
Keep up the good work, new bikers and people interested in securing something have a lot to search the web for the real, and genuine tests, your channel saved me some precious time. Thanks ;)
Yes that would work!
great review as always. many thanks
The angle grinder was literally like a very hot knife through very warm butter, 10 seconds and it was through! 🤠💨😎. The Abus 83/80 is about $115.00 depending on where you shop around.😑
Abloy PL362 meets Abus 83/80 whilst strollin....Abus awestruck for sure n steps aside fast as ain't dissin this bad-ass...Abloy nods but no change in gait or style, saunters past breezing chill-easy, no sweat bro just passin thru! 🤖💨😎
So no matter which lock you can always get the grinder to cut it?
Hi Wayne what size pewag chain are you using there a 12mm?
Would shackle guards on this lock allow for two 1/2" chain links?
Just curious, what does the Tat on your left hand, below knuckle signify/mean? FYI, I came across you website in my own personal effort to increase and or become more secure in my home/condo.There are those who do in life and those who Do Not. Your in the Do category and then some.
I hate wearing jewelry. it my wedding ring. Wifey has the lock in same spot 😉
Wayne Winton I have worn a watch since 6th grade everyday and always hated rings. I never married since I asked the only one I truly loved 27 years ago.
S and G are available on ebay and always have been. Only the military ones are restricted until sold 2nd hand. They are stupid expensive though so the Abus still takes the cake.
Any updates on the larger prototype Pewag chain?
I got 5 of these off amazon.com (chepaer there) and I also have a fagettabout it lock (18mm) plus two peweg 3012 chains and one 14mm abus chain to secure my zero turn lawn mower, two chains are wrapped around the axel
Bob Long lawnmower 😂
I had a $12000 dollar Hustler lawn mower stolen, I now have a Gravely yes, a lawn mower
Can anyone do a titalium padlock vs an angle grinder test please?
they do shrouded version the Abus Rock 83CS/80
couldent find it in the US.
you should try the shackle stamped "special alloy" instead of the "nano protect" they aren't the same shackle
Good infromation
Great video showing how good the Abus series are but may want to ever look into a better camera or better editing SW. that floating zoom and panning is a bit annoying on the eyes.
great video
very educational :)
I love your videos. The Abus lock and Pewag chain that I use are meant to deter the average meth-head bike thief...ill equipped and in a big hurry!
Nice!
they do offer shackle guard ed 83/80 cs
ok show me link where I can buy in USA
+Wayne Winton this one isn't in the us but www.ultrasecuritycentre.co.uk/abus-83cs-80-series-steel-closed-shackle-padlock-without-cylinder
bolt cutters are not relevant any more. nearly all thefts of top end cycles and motorbikes are done with battery powered handheld grinders. this is epidemic in london now
Ip Freeley London seems to be the thievery capital of the world in regards to bikes and push bikes. How the hell did that happen. Gotta booby trap the lock for the angle grinder.
Use a gun next time you see them
@@michealangel1556 this is the problem because most of us are law abiding citizens who work, you never get to see them
Great video "subbed"
Helpful awesome !! Thank !!!
The shackle is not 9/16", but rather 19/32"
thanks for the video man
That pewag chain withstood the big daddy bolt cutter
bit disappointing on the angle grinder test though, he cut through it like its butter
thats why you need close shackle lock
That’s what an angle grinder is designed to do
often consider the best why to secure select contents of cargo van
alarm
window grates
other locks
a way to prevent front doors from opening even if windows are smashed
and finally
an idea addition of steel stock through bolted to portion of interior frame that allows say this lock to be connected to chain, select larger tools or expensive bikes and then through the steel stock
assume your work van was left in a remote location for two hours surrounded by thieves... with massive bolt cutters and battery powered cutter/ grinder
best set up?
would like to also be able to head out on day hikes, extended weekend camping- miles off roads/ parking lot and with at least several items locked in and to portion of van... perhaps in a fabricated smaller strong box but with heavy duty locks
alarms are often easily disabled or if 15 miles away by foot ...useless.
No one is dumb enough to attempt to cut that shackle with any bolt cutter in the field. These days I don’t even carry bolt cutters. My cordless grinder is all I use.
Note: I don’t think there’s a strongman alive today that can use the bolt cutters you used to cut that shackle open with just their muscle
You didn't have have time to take off your helmet or Bluetooth ear piece?
Your awesome man!
Thx!
Wayne you are offering a great service to the public, have you thought about doing a croud funding page though, at leaset if successful you wouldn't need to spend your own money, just a thought
I would bet any amount of money that no one is walking into your garage and cutting that lock with bolt cutters. That’s why my atvs are secured with it.
How about abloy 362?
if you want to send me one I'll try it out.
Made in Germany ist das beste was es auf der Welt gibt,bei Autos,Werkzeugmaschinen ,selbst bei so einen simplen Vorhängeschloss keiner kann uns das Wasser reichen.
I am a woman but i love bigggg power lock
Чтобы снять этот замок с цепи, нужно его раскусить в ещё одном месте. Вы работу до конца не сделали. Замок не открыт. Оба конца дужки зафиксированы шариками в корпусе.
awesome lock. awesome will to break it.
Battery angle grinders are a universal keys. There are videos of thiefs cutting locks in public view. I will stay with my Harbor Freight monster lock.
They can be picked
This lock on your bike at a train station.... Thief doesn’t have your workshop and all your tools... and time...
Moves along
I don't like
I love this dude
A lot of force there, aren’t you afraid to stand so close and hurt yourself?
I have one of these
I guess this is a good lock.
the lock is important, but the most important is the chain, both most work together, come on you have to put a tractor to break this shit, it is very strong
This method of using the blot cutter is outdated as now bike thieves use cordless grinders.
They do this in UK during day light with plenty of people around and they just don't care.
Cordless grinder! I neva fort of that. Yeah, I can imagine that's now the natural enemy of the padlock shackle!🤖💨💀🤡
I hate this because u know no matter what your motorbike can be stolen in a couple mins with the tools that come out now people should need proof of what job your using it for
Theaves carry pretty bassic tools and normaly hove ony one plan. If you foil that plan they will most likely move on to an eaiser target.
Wayne Winton
in uk they just come with angle grinder, theres notting that can stop that
the key way is trash. abloy is the true king
Yeah, definitely top tier.
Got myself a Abloy PL342 with Protec2 core and Abus 12KS chain. Should deter most attacks short of an angle grinder!
SO IT'S WORTHLESS AND PRICEY
But that lock can be picked! Start watching this video at 5:25. Too bad...
ruclips.net/video/M0LLHvhV1Lg/видео.html
86 bucks
Abus is shite. Maybe test abloy?
can you do a test of the Litelok bike lock? Their internal video shows it resisting bolt cutters, saws and even prolong attack with angle grinder. I purchased one but wonder if it's really that strong, but I don't trust the company video. ruclips.net/video/KB2ghne7sOU/видео.html
Nice hat.. 🤦🏼♂️
Never mind but your video is too boring and unnecessarily big.
improve your camerawork and you may get more likes
often consider the best why to secure select contents of cargo van
alarm
window grates
other locks
a way to prevent front doors from opening even if windows are smashed
and finally
an idea addition of steel stock through bolted to portion of interior frame that allows say this lock to be connected to chain, select larger tools or expensive bikes and then through the steel stock
assume your work van was left in a remote location for two hours surrounded by thieves... with massive bolt cutters and battery powered cutter/ grinder
best set up?
would like to also be able to head out on day hikes, extended weekend camping- miles off roads/ parking lot and with at least several items locked in and to portion of van... perhaps in a fabricated smaller strong box but with heavy duty locks
alarms are often easily disabled or if 15 miles away by foot ...useless.
well stay subscribed. I'm doing a whole van security upgrade system soon! Did you see me video in security film for Windows?