TO SEE THIS LOCK COMPARED TO THE DX1000, LIGHTLOK X1 AND X3 AND ABUS SUPER EXTREME 2500, WATCH THE 'BEST MOTORCYCLE LOCKS' VIDEO HERE ruclips.net/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/видео.html
Hey howzit? Have you ever tried using one of those hydraulic rebar pliers for cutting tests? I'd really like to see a video on that. My old boss at the locksmith shop used them.
I know you already destroyed it…. But I would like to see if the lock would outlast a battery powered angle grinder…. Plug in types are usually stronger, and most bike thieves usually don’t have access to an outlet. Just super curious, thanks!
I am massively impressed. That plus an alarm that goes off if the bike is moved gives you plenty of time to get to your bike and start smashing skulls.
Ha ha. That never really happens though. Most bike thieves are tooled up so you have to be careful. The biggest way to embarrass and scare a bike thieve is exposing WHO THEY ARE. And uploading it to social media. That will frighten them alot more than you trying to attack or abuse them.
@@fender1000100 Yep agreed, saw a group stealing a bike in London once, there were five of them on three scooters, all tooled up and all shouting at us lot to keep our distance, they went after a girl who was filming them (We did block them from getting at her) and laughed at the guy calling the police. I guess we could have mobbed them but I'm not risking getting stabbed for someone else's bike and probably wouldn't even if it was mine.
It's not just about the lock, it's also about placement, ie, usage. NEVER place any lock at the bottom of the bike touching the ground. It makes cutting/breaking much easier as there's a stable surface to cut against.
Good advice in theory, but the whole point is to discourage a thief from trying to move the bike easily in the first place as well, and how in the world is that accomplished by placeing the lock above 1 foot off the ground?
Watching you run that drill into the lock while using your hand as a backstop genuinely made me tense up a bit. No matter how impressed or confident you are about a lock, you probably shouldn’t do that again. Great job testing the lock, though. When I am in the market for a new lock, this one will likely top the list.
Excellent review John, I wish other reviewers would take the time to discuss the real-world attacks on locks (not a bloke in his shed with plenty of time and the lock in a vice) and put their money where their mouth is and actually destructively test. I know this review was base on motorcycles, but also very relevant to ebikes. I'm always impressed with how you present these reviews, and explain what you can and can't recreate yourself - very humble, but very well informed. Thanks for putting so much effort into helping the community!
Got mine last week and it’s a beast. For anyone interested, you can get a 16mm Pragmasis chain around the silicone sleeve comfortably, 19mm will just about squeeze on but it will damage the silicone. 11mm and 13mm are a no go.
@@agvs Not stupid, I thought so too. But the 16mm has a 30mm internal link width and the the 19mm has 25mm (maybe 22mm?). The 16mm and 19mm chains aren’t much different in exterior link size, but due to the link thickness the 19mm has a smaller internal space.
Great information. I'm hoping Ferosafe and/or Proteus grinder-resistant chains are in development right now. They're SO BADLY needed. And obviously they'll have to be fitted with large end rings so they can be used with locks like the D1000. Because right now, these D1000's don't work with many chains. And those that do are still easily defeated with a grinder, save a few exceptions out there.
Good review John, that's a great lock ! I know there are people who will complain about the price but if you have a bike worth £10k or more then it's nothing compared to the cost of replacing the bike ! Some insurance companies are refusing to pay out if your bike was nicked and you didn't use good quality locks and I can see a time coming when they will insist on certain quality locks BEFORE they will insure you ! I live in an area that has experienced extremely high motorcycle thefts of the past few years but I use my bike everyday with no worries because I use adequate security wherever I park it ! I see bikes left in very risky areas with no locks at all, to a thief that's just begging to be stolen !
Ha... I did move my hand once it was getting to the bottom, so if it had gone through (it wouldn't, there a steel plate above that), it should have missed.
Another great test. The best security is the security you have with you, so for me it has to be convenient and tough. This looks like a great lock, and if they make one long enough to go around both sides of the swing arm, I’ll have one tomorrow. Until then it’s a disc lock on the front, a bike cover and if leaving in a town a second lock and chain o;the rear, ideally to something solid.
They might, but probably not. Once u(d)-locks get too large, they're open to various leverage attacks. Don't need to relive the car jack epidemic of the 80's! That said, why not just use this lock as a wheel/disc lock anyway? Or through your rim? Using a disc lock is practically not using anything at all, these days! Battery angle grinder can get through them so quickly, I'd just use the D1000.
In response to questions around smashing the spokes off a cast wheel, I just went out this morning and used the lump hammer on the 2012 Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 wheel that I have for lock testing and couldn't smash it - all it did was dent it. A spoke that shatters easily would be a concern when riding and hitting pot-holes, and while a thief could angle-grind the spoke out if they can get the purchase on it, it's less likely than cutting a disc. And on some bikes, like the Tracer 9, you can get this around two cast spokes. All security will have some way around it - it's always about making it harder than they can be bothered with. For exclusive offers on a massive range of bike kit and events, visit www.bikesocial.co.uk/join All of BikeSocial's product and security tests: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial... Link to the lock (not affiliated): hiplok.com/d1000/ Oh, and hit a thumbs-up on this post if you've noticed how many commenters clearly didn't watch the whole video (or even just the end), and keep blindly quoting LPL... And the people that don't seem to see this pinned comment, and still keep saying about the spoke!
How about sending one of these locks to the Lock Pick Lawyer. He will let us know how effective they are. I personally have never felt the need for more than locking the handlebars, and the occasional heavy cable lock if I leave my light bikes at the campground and go off in the truck.
@@Dave-sw2dm Did you read the comment you replied to here? Any security is better than none, but it really isn't a good idea to rely on the steering lock - they're easily defeated with one kick. Do please use your cable lock as that's a deterrent if they don't have tools.
@@raynic1173 There will always be a solution to anything - it comes down to defeating the tools most commonly used, and making it more hassle than the other bikes nearby. Sure, if a thief really wants a specific bike, and they come equipped with the necessary tools, at some point they'll get it. But loading the odds in your own favour makes a huge difference.
@@Dave-sw2dm Most thieving ****'s have not got lock picking skills at all, let alone to his level. The longer it takes you to secure your bike, the longer it will take for someone to take it, and therefore less likely the thieves will even try and steal it. If out and about where other bikes are, park near more expensive bikes, especially bikes with less security, yours is then pretty much 100% safe in that situation.
Great review! Looks like a lock that’s actually worth it’s salt. Look forward to them coming up with a bigger one that’ll fit on the GSA in future. Ps. You drilling towards your bare hand had my nerves going crazy lol!
I've got a 36v angle grinder with a diamond metal blade, I use it for cutting steel rebar all day long, it wouldn't have a problem with this lock. £400 worth of tool for a £5k bike seems like a reasonable investment for a crook
Id buy one if it could withstand my setup for work , 9.0 ah battery on milwaukee grinder with 1mm cutting discs. Fully charged battery and one disc . But hey ive got quick release disc nut so a couple of discs would be a quick pit stop. Really ! A real world test would satisfy me as a d lock is not a deterent and less educated crims are gonna have a go not knowing the extra effort this brand of lock needs to be defeated.
And the size of it is perfect to attach to the pillion handles or somewhere else out of the way when riding. And if you keep your bike alarmed and GPS tracked this lock on top makes any bike just too much trouble to bother with. Yup getting this one for sure. Thankyou for thr great review.
Great review, best lock review I have seen, did well v angle grinder, glad you mentioned LPL - thankfully he just picks locks for fun or we all would be screwed :)
It makes me laugh that because people see someone highly skilled picking a lock in controlled conditions, they think every scally on the street is going to do that. I've tried to contact LPL a few times now but with no joy. Sadly, it can be quite detrimental to have people believing that locks can be easily defeated as they don't bother buying them, then wonder why they got their bike knicked!
I'm pretty sure a mains angle grinder would not be used out in the field🤔it would be a cordless type, so for that to take so long to break with a mains one is impressive👌good test as usual guy's 😉
Cheers! I use a mains grinder for consistency in all my testing - a battery one just isn't practical, so I treat it as a comparison benchmark. 06:57 Cheers, John
When scum are nicking high end bikes, they will come equipped with mains powered grinders. They’ll use a converter which are pretty cheap, especially against the rewards for theft. I used to have one for my portable fridge when we used to to go to the Alps with the kids. If you underestimate the criminals resilience and ingenuity, you’ll be sadly disappointed. Security is a question of time, as John stated. Given enough time, any security can be broken. However, the casual, or career thief, as opposed to the organised gangs, will move on to the next target. Multiple layers is what you need. The problem is securing and unsecuring your pride and joy can be a chore, especially if it’s peeing down with rain. At home, install cameras, these are cheap. Make sure you’ve got one facing the road to get number plates. Add garage alarms, battery are best, especially if you put a dummy box outside with a wire leading up. Alarm your bike, ground anchor it, and get a garage defender. Then get a tracker too. The only issue is, that security may flag something valuable to a thief. Away from home, park where there are plenty of people, CCTV cameras (not hard in digital policing mentality) if you chain your bike, keep the chain in the air. It might mean wrapping it several times, but it makes things harder. It’s like people who buy a £1000 phone, and then moan about paying a tenner for a case. If you’ve got a nice bike, don’t be a tight-arse! Layer your security, or get a hack which doesn’t matter if it gets nicked and keep your best one for Sunday ride outs.
I'm always impressed at the lengths you go to in your tests, it does look a tough bit of kit. My wife was shouting at the TV "don't drill towards your hand" I did tell her It'll be fine..... its made the edit!
If he had a sick sense of humour, he'd have filmed the introduction of the video with a large bandage on that hand and let us cringe as he drilled away! He could then pull off the bandage to an uninjured hand and say, "Ha, ha! Fooled you all!" That would have been perfect!
Is there a test with a electric circle saw diamond cutter? And im curios about what type of disk they use in the angle grinder. That said ot seems really resistive compared to most locks o seen.
This is a well put together video. You never mentioned temperature tolerances, resistance to extreme cold. Increasingly common is freezing the lock or chain then just bashing it into pieces. It's a 60 second job.
If you're referring to the "trick" of using an upside-down air duster, that's only about -15/-25c, I think the majority of attacks which succeed when this is used would have succeeded regardless as to my knowledge that's not really enough to cause brittle failure in steel. Carrying true cryogenic equipment is well outside the scope of motorcycle thieves.
Freeze testing gets expensive and I do it with plumber's freeze spray. I didn't try it here, but in all the testing I've done, it's only been an issue when I can get a good swing with a sledgehammer onto a makeshift anvil. Cheers, John
Well from a different brand, the *Litelok X3* website: "LITELOK X3 is armoured with Barronium™, a patent pending composite material that resists angle grinder attack by turning the grinder's energy and force in on itself. It offers at least 15 times more resistance than the best-selling, best-performing D-locks without adding any extra weight. It is permanently fused to a hardened fine-grain high-tensile steel core which provides protection against all other commonly used tools such as bolt croppers, cable cutters, long bars, hammers & chisels and *-40°C freeze spray."*
Great test…You should have tried it with a cordless grinder instead as it would of been even more realistic, that id expect would of made a huge difference in terms of even the batteries dying out quite quickly along with the discs. I’ve said for years I wish a security company would use some kind of other material other than metal for these kinds of grinder attacks. Seems this is the answer! Thanks for doing it 👍🏻
I use the mains grinder so I can directly compare the results of all the lock test I've done (I rarely put them on RUclips), but yes - this makes life very difficult in the real world. Cheers, John
Blimey... 11 minutes and 34 seconds and I'm £200 lighter =) Seriously, thanks for putting this on my radar. I'm new to biking and a lock was on my list of things to do. Thanks to this video... It's now a done deal. Thanks again. =)
That's great - I wouldn't recommend anything I hadn't tested properly. Do check out all our reviews at www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products. All the best, John
I noticed you ground through the top part, I’ve seen other reviews do it at the side, the question is have you tried grinding the bottom part where the key goes in?
FWIW, I use six inch cutoff wheels for my 4 inch grinder. You need to take the blade cover off, and there is some risk there I suppose but it works for me and it makes the grinder more useful because there are a lot of times where the extra cut depth is useful.
Great video appreciate your hard work. Would have liked to see a bottle jack attack or long lever attach as that is what theives seem to use against d locks here in NZ
Thanks John for another fantastic and informative video, as always. Really appreciate you taking the time and effort to enable us to make an informed decision when choosing how to best protect our pride and joy. Keep up the great work and all the best to you and your family. P.S. Would you recommend this over the Kryptonite Keeper(Fortnine F9)? 😜😂
Thanks! I've tried repeatedly to get Kryptonite involved in our testing, but they haven't been interested. As the Keeper is a standard construction U-lock though, I'd suggest this would be the tougher option. My experience of Fortnine's review of a 9mm Kryptonite chain means I personally don't put that much credibility on the shop's security reviews. Cheers, John
There is one thing that a lot of testers omit and that is if a thief has decided that it is to much hassle with drilling the lock and gives up then moves on to another motorcycle. Can the owner of said motorcycle who comes back to unlock his or her pride and joy do so? I meen after the iritual shock of finding their bike with a damaged lock can they use their lock key and unlock it in the usual way. Or worst case scenario resort to using techniques the thief was prepared to use!
It's a fair point. To be honest, an angle-grinder attack is the most likely, but a lock could be rendered inoperable after an attack. It could also be malicious - if a thief fills a lock barrel with glue, it could mean the rider potentially leaves the bike, making it possible to maybe attack when there are fewer witnesses. That's also why you should never leave an unused lock out; it can be disabled, meaning you have to leave the bike unlocked (don't park it there if this happens!). Ultimately, the benefits of locking a bike far outweigh the unlikely situation of having to get a mate or locksmith out to spend the time (and many discs and batteries in this case) getting it off. Cheers, John
Someone with LPL's skills picking a lock on the street is like having your car stolen by a formula 1 driver. Your average crook just doesn't have that level of skill.
Could you do another test with the grinder on the remaining bits of the lock with a diamond metal cutting blade to see if there any difference in cutting time, would be interesting to see the results of that test 👍
@Olaoluwa Oyenuga Our testing, and Sold Secure's, is based on the actual attacks being carried out in the UK. You could use a plasma cutter, but that's not common on the street. It's always worth keeping an eye on though!
@Olaoluwa Oyenuga Have a read of this; it might help settle your mind. Cheers, John www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/advice/biking-tips/how-to-stop-motorcycle-bike-being-stolen
Hi, can I ask , is it better to install a GPS tracker and put a sticker on the bike to maybe prevent theft in the first instance? Or is better to not warn a thief there is a tracker ??? Thanks in advance
Good question. If you warn them, they're more likely to look harder than ripping the seat off if they do take it, but maybe it'd put them off. I couldn't say to be honest - personally I wouldn't warm them. Cheers, John
Its about time a manufacturer is looking at stopping angle grinder attacks Got to be the biggest threat to having your bike stolen these days Shame delivery is not until March 2022 according to their Website
Thanks for doing thit test. I feel much re-assured into investing in this lock for my bike. On a side note, you drilling into the lock with your hand in the back of the lock had me in suspense. In the moment I don't think you were realizing it but while editing the video was there an oh shit I can't believe I had my hand there moment?
That's a good call - by default you always attack the smaller area so I hadn't, but I'll give that a go. Thanks! John I'll update the written review when I've done it. www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-d1000-review-angle-grinder-resistant-lock
Sorry for taking so long to check this. I've now had a go at cutting the body and it's not weaker - the aluminium core eats through the disc. I can't post pics here, but if you go to the written review I have updated it. Cheers! John www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-d1000-review-angle-grinder-resistant-lock
At some point the locks have gotten so difficult to quickly defeat that you have to start wondering if the thing you're locking your bike TO isn't the weak link. Old job I had, the spot to park your bike at wasn't much sturdier than a bicycle rack... battery powered rotary would chew through that in seconds...
If you can get the angle right and a clear swing, and it's a particularly thin one you might be able to start attacking it that way, but I'd use this on a rear wheel and also across two spokes if you can.
@@MrLittledirector It's going to depend on the material and access, but nothing's unbeatable. Hiplok is looking to expand in the motorcycle market so it'll be interesting to see what new versions come out too.
I just went out this morning and used the lump hammer on the 2012 Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 wheel that I have for lock testing and couldn't smash it - all it did was dent it. A spoke that shatters easily would be a concern when riding and hitting pot-holes, and while a thief could angle-grind the spoke out if they can get the purchase on it, it's less likely than cutting a disc. All security will have some way around it - it's always about making it harder than they can be bothered with.
As always an excellent review John, but £250.00 I feel it may put off potential buyers, as they would rather buy some bling than buy a security device, in my experience, but in this day and age the manufacturers should be doing more to combat this I feel, how much extra would it add to the cost of a new bike/scooter to have trackers/alarms which actually work and don't leave you stranded fitted as standard. I'm not entirely convinced by that argument of the more security the better, and may lull some people into a false sense of being secure, it probably did to me, after I had 2 bikes chained together head to toe, chained both ends with massive sold secure chains and Kryptonite locks, and the thieving scum bags managed to defeat that lot and had my GSXR1000 away one night, from a fairly secure underground location, not in the U.K I hasten to add, if they want it, it will go no matter how many locks, alarms you have, is sadly my feeling. The only real deterrent is a bomb proof underground Atomic blast bunker, ok so I'm being a little jovial there... But what isn't being addressed and is the real problem, is after these thieving little scr**ts get caught, the courts just slap their wrists, give them suspended or community service sentences, because the out of touch courts, don't seem to view motorcycle theft as breaking the law, sorry I digress, not really the forum for that discussion. 🙄
Hey John, did I see this correctly that you only had to do one cut and then half of the shackle just fell off? Shouldn't thieves have to do two cuts on these kind of locks?
How does the locking part of this hold up against a grinder? I see so many tests with the U part, but the lack of anyone grinding near the lock cylinder has been a point of concern for me
Here's the full review: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-d1000-review-angle-grinder-resistant-lock
How long did it take with 3 discs? I'm curious how it does against picking. According to consumer review I read it took 4 plates and 22 mins to cut trough. That's impressive, I won't be in a store that long. I guess it depends on the discs and how well you cut. But impressive nonetheless. Maybe I sohuld get one for my bicycle.
One hell of a test, my question would be what is the best way to secure a bike with a lock, ie where to locate it? I know it will depend on the bike and location where you park it, but would be good to know. Mate of mine had his bike nicked where 3 blokes in a van just picked it up and lifted it into the van, the alarm went off but people just stood and watched it happen!
Great lock, I probably have one of the best security devices and that’s my location in rural Scotland.where thefts of any vehicle are rare, it’s really too far and too much trouble for anyone to make the effort. If I’m away I disc lock front and rear but also have two Liteloks. I bought the Liteloks as bicycle locks as I noticed if you bought the largest wearable Litelok it was much cheaper than the one sold for motorbikes but was the same lock, same dimensions and same motorcycle Sold Secure Gold rating anyway.
How is it even possible that you can remove the lock after cutting it only once at 7:33? The ends are rectangular. Therefore you can't bend those to the side. You would have to cut through the lock twice. Yet in your video one half just falls off. How is that possible? Not properly locked?
did you try unlocking the thing after your drill attack? I wonder about an unsuccessful lock attack resulting in you yourself being stuck unable to remove the thing!!
Fantastic thorough test as always, only downside when locked like that is a thief could just cut the spoke on that type of multi spoke wheel in seconds, remove the lock and push the bike away. Glad companies though are really trying to give bikers a fighting chance against theft and keep innovating with theft devices.
Yes - traditional spokes won't work with this as they'd be too easy to cut but Hiplok is looking to do more in the motorcycle market, so we'll have to wait and see... Cheers, John
There's a new kid on the block, it's the just released Litelok X1 and the soon to be released (November 2022) Litelok X3. Both using a material called Baronium. Both are Sold Secure Diamond. And both are European ART4 certified. Have you heard of these locks? And if so, will you be testing them? Thanks in advance.
Yes - the plan was to do them ready for the release, but we're yet to get our hands on them and are waiting on an update. Once I have got them, you can expect a full review. Cheers!
You (correctly) advise against using this with spoked wheels and also point out the weakness of disk locks, but didn’t mention that a thief could cut the cast wheel spoke, (yes I know that damages the wheel, but do they care?). I hope they make this to fit around an average front tire. Abus Granite X Plus fits over my front wheel nicely.
Getting the angle grinder in to cut the spoke twice can be hard, but there's always a way to defeat anything - any security is about making your bike less desirable than the others.
Wouldnt buy a lock without watching your videos I bought my chains and locks based on the reviews you do, now I am a bennetts customer too! Would you be willing to do a video on the most effective ways to secure your bike? i.e. ground anchor through a wheel, through the frame etc. I have several locks and several chains but sometimes think is that the best way to do it?
Thanks very much! A good idea, but until then, does this help? www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/how-to-use-your-motorcycle-chain-and-lock Cheers, John
What about cryo attacks? Often steel that hard will break fairly easily if really cold, it's often better to have a very hard surface and slightly softer center
@@bennettsbikesocial I will keep an eye for the strip down. I am installing a yss rear shock upgrade this winter myself. Along with all the guts of the rear hub and brakes. Lovely machines they are.
Next time instead (if there is one) use an masonry blade as its a diamond encoated steel wheel with cooling cuts put into the blade for water or cutting oil.. It's about 100 American dollars but it doesn't disappear like abrasive wheels do. Just fruit for thought as it's your channel and I'm truly not trying to tell you what to do.
A really good question! The Roundlock is cheaper and actually harder to cut than this, due to its design. I should stress that the D1000 excels as a stand-alone peice of portable security. The Roundlock's weakness when used as a disc lock is that the disc is easy to cut. But on the other hand it can be used as an exceptional lock on a chain. It's swings and roundabouts really. Cheers, John
Youre still snookered if they decide to just remove the front wheel lol However that said when paired with the oxford beast lock and chain on the rear at home that's a lot less likely . Great vid as usual 👌🏼
Excellent review...many thanks. I am an ex biker (probably) and either I have been fantastically lucky or blessed because having had at least twelve bikes (I've sort of lost count) over around 30 years I have never had one stolen. Some had the Honda security but I've never even used any other type of lock, chain or alarm. A lot of those were when I lived in London too, parked in the road. Are bikes more likely to be stolen today? It would be interesting to see the stats.
Bike thefts are dropping due to high value car crime, but it's never been as bad as social media portrays. It's an echo-chamber of misery, but the fact is that theft isn't everywhere, but it does happen, so using any security significantly reduces the chances of being a victim. Cheers, John
Hi John, Thanks for another great video, attack testing lock vids are my fav. Have you tried an angle grinder attack on the abus granit 59 u lock, it’s a great lock and due to its size I hope it will slow the thieves down, would be great to see a real attack test as their isn’t one on RUclips. Cheers
I've only done this one, sorry: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/tested-abus-granit-extreme-59-review The U-lock won't have the resistance to angle-grinder of the Hiplok but that of course doesn't mean it's not worth using! Cheers, John
So i have a question...if they use a drill and cant get the lock opened up and leave the bike while destroying the keyhole...how do we get that off ourself?
Hey John, this was a great vid! I love your security testing articles and I reference them all the time whenever I need to add new security kit. I'd love if you could do a video/some articles of some products from Kryptonite like the Fahgeddaboudit Mini or New York M18, etc. I'd lap up more of your testing content! There are also some other brands I'm curious of too such as Kovix's U locks, Mammoth Security, Gear Gremlin etc
Thanks! I'm always eager to get as many products tested as we can, but it's not always possible to get hold of it. I've tried several times over the past four years to get Kryptonite involved, for instance, but they just haven't been interested. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Ahh! Its a shame that manufacturers have to agree in order for you to carry out your testing - I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info and your response, cheers
@@BritishArmyTributes Not so much that they have to agree - we have bought locks in the past, but that has been when it's a particularly interesting and unusual item. If a company releases a ground-breaking item (and especially if they and sponsored influencers make big claims about it) we will - and have - bought it to do our own testing. In Kryptonite's case, it'd make more sense to get a line of communication going that we can review a batch of them. I did buy that 9mm that F9 claimed was the best motorcycle security... ruclips.net/video/YKO1yudGVNg/видео.html
@@bennettsbikesocial ah yes, the infamous and impenetrable 7mm Keeper! I had a feeling you may have bought that one after the ridiculous claims, I would have too!
Hi, I love your thinking about breaking into a lock system with all the mentioned tools. I am not an expert in security or locks in any way, I am just average Joe thinking for a few moments. If I was going to steal something protected by fancy chains or locks, I would turn up with a small gas-cutting torch set (oxy-acetylene ) that will fit into almost any vehicle and will very quickly and silently cut anything you have shown and without any major damage to the bike.
It's a good point, but it's not equipment that's being reported by the police as typically used in thefts. Ultimately, anything that can be made can be destroyed in some way. All you can do is protect against the most likely scenario.
TO SEE THIS LOCK COMPARED TO THE DX1000, LIGHTLOK X1 AND X3 AND ABUS SUPER EXTREME 2500, WATCH THE 'BEST MOTORCYCLE LOCKS' VIDEO HERE ruclips.net/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/видео.html
Hey howzit? Have you ever tried using one of those hydraulic rebar pliers for cutting tests? I'd really like to see a video on that. My old boss at the locksmith shop used them.
I know you already destroyed it…. But I would like to see if the lock would outlast a battery powered angle grinder…. Plug in types are usually stronger, and most bike thieves usually don’t have access to an outlet.
Just super curious, thanks!
@@VeganDylan Try this video: ruclips.net/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/видео.html
I am massively impressed. That plus an alarm that goes off if the bike is moved gives you plenty of time to get to your bike and start smashing skulls.
Ha ha. That never really happens though. Most bike thieves are tooled up so you have to be careful. The biggest way to embarrass and scare a bike thieve is exposing WHO THEY ARE. And uploading it to social media. That will frighten them alot more than you trying to attack or abuse them.
@@fender1000100 Yep agreed, saw a group stealing a bike in London once, there were five of them on three scooters, all tooled up and all shouting at us lot to keep our distance, they went after a girl who was filming them (We did block them from getting at her) and laughed at the guy calling the police. I guess we could have mobbed them but I'm not risking getting stabbed for someone else's bike and probably wouldn't even if it was mine.
@@fender1000100 Military grade pepper spray - tazer gun - knee to the ribs, knee to the balls, kneed to the ribs again - call the cops.
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@@popuptoaster same tbh but if i ever get followed home I have a few tools ready
It's not just about the lock, it's also about placement, ie, usage. NEVER place any lock at the bottom of the bike touching the ground. It makes cutting/breaking much easier as there's a stable surface to cut against.
And it's where the lock is attached too which is usually the weakest point
Good advice in theory, but the whole point is to discourage a thief from trying to move the bike easily in the first place as well, and how in the world is that accomplished
by placeing the lock above 1 foot off the ground?
Never thought of that tbh good shout
Watching you run that drill into the lock while using your hand as a backstop genuinely made me tense up a bit. No matter how impressed or confident you are about a lock, you probably shouldn’t do that again.
Great job testing the lock, though. When I am in the market for a new lock, this one will likely top the list.
If you think amateurs are wildly unsafe using power tools, wait until you watch some motorcycle crash videos!
Excellent review John, I wish other reviewers would take the time to discuss the real-world attacks on locks (not a bloke in his shed with plenty of time and the lock in a vice) and put their money where their mouth is and actually destructively test. I know this review was base on motorcycles, but also very relevant to ebikes. I'm always impressed with how you present these reviews, and explain what you can and can't recreate yourself - very humble, but very well informed. Thanks for putting so much effort into helping the community!
Thanks SO much - really appreciated! Cheers, John
Got mine last week and it’s a beast. For anyone interested, you can get a 16mm Pragmasis chain around the silicone sleeve comfortably, 19mm will just about squeeze on but it will damage the silicone. 11mm and 13mm are a no go.
Maybe I’m going to say something very stupid but wouldn’t a 19mm chain fit more easily than a 16mm then?
@@agvs Not stupid, I thought so too. But the 16mm has a 30mm internal link width and the the 19mm has 25mm (maybe 22mm?). The 16mm and 19mm chains aren’t much different in exterior link size, but due to the link thickness the 19mm has a smaller internal space.
Great information.
I'm hoping Ferosafe and/or Proteus grinder-resistant chains are in development right now. They're SO BADLY needed. And obviously they'll have to be fitted with large end rings so they can be used with locks like the D1000. Because right now, these D1000's don't work with many chains. And those that do are still easily defeated with a grinder, save a few exceptions out there.
Good review John, that's a great lock ! I know there are people who will complain about the price but if you have a bike worth £10k or more then it's nothing compared to the cost of replacing the bike ! Some insurance companies are refusing to pay out if your bike was nicked and you didn't use good quality locks and I can see a time coming when they will insist on certain quality locks BEFORE they will insure you !
I live in an area that has experienced extremely high motorcycle thefts of the past few years but I use my bike everyday with no worries because I use adequate security wherever I park it ! I see bikes left in very risky areas with no locks at all, to a thief that's just begging to be stolen !
Underwriters are very slow to take on new security products, sadly, but your attitude to using security is exactly right. All the best, John
I always love your thorough reviews John but you scared me drilling straight into your palm 😱. Looks like a good bit of kit 👍🏻
Was gonna say this!
Ha... I did move my hand once it was getting to the bottom, so if it had gone through (it wouldn't, there a steel plate above that), it should have missed.
@James watch reviews Yeah - my hands are like Batfink's wings anyway.
Admire your enthusiasm, but don't risk drilling a hole through your hand. That looked a bit terrifying.
@@dave8549 Ta, but I have a spare
Another great test. The best security is the security you have with you, so for me it has to be convenient and tough. This looks like a great lock, and if they make one long enough to go around both sides of the swing arm, I’ll have one tomorrow. Until then it’s a disc lock on the front, a bike cover and if leaving in a town a second lock and chain o;the rear, ideally to something solid.
Buy 2 and daisy-chain them.
They might, but probably not. Once u(d)-locks get too large, they're open to various leverage attacks. Don't need to relive the car jack epidemic of the 80's!
That said, why not just use this lock as a wheel/disc lock anyway? Or through your rim?
Using a disc lock is practically not using anything at all, these days! Battery angle grinder can get through them so quickly, I'd just use the D1000.
In response to questions around smashing the spokes off a cast wheel, I just went out this morning and used the lump hammer on the 2012 Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 wheel that I have for lock testing and couldn't smash it - all it did was dent it. A spoke that shatters easily would be a concern when riding and hitting pot-holes, and while a thief could angle-grind the spoke out if they can get the purchase on it, it's less likely than cutting a disc. And on some bikes, like the Tracer 9, you can get this around two cast spokes. All security will have some way around it - it's always about making it harder than they can be bothered with.
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Oh, and hit a thumbs-up on this post if you've noticed how many commenters clearly didn't watch the whole video (or even just the end), and keep blindly quoting LPL...
And the people that don't seem to see this pinned comment, and still keep saying about the spoke!
How about sending one of these locks to the Lock Pick Lawyer. He will let us know how effective they are. I personally have never felt the need for more than locking the handlebars, and the occasional heavy cable lock if I leave my light bikes at the campground and go off in the truck.
A breaker bar with a crescent wrench might snap that spoke with a bit of torque. Cast shouldn't like a twisting motion like that.
@@Dave-sw2dm Did you read the comment you replied to here? Any security is better than none, but it really isn't a good idea to rely on the steering lock - they're easily defeated with one kick. Do please use your cable lock as that's a deterrent if they don't have tools.
@@raynic1173 There will always be a solution to anything - it comes down to defeating the tools most commonly used, and making it more hassle than the other bikes nearby. Sure, if a thief really wants a specific bike, and they come equipped with the necessary tools, at some point they'll get it. But loading the odds in your own favour makes a huge difference.
@@Dave-sw2dm Most thieving ****'s have not got lock picking skills at all, let alone to his level. The longer it takes you to secure your bike, the longer it will take for someone to take it, and therefore less likely the thieves will even try and steal it. If out and about where other bikes are, park near more expensive bikes, especially bikes with less security, yours is then pretty much 100% safe in that situation.
Great review! Looks like a lock that’s actually worth it’s salt. Look forward to them coming up with a bigger one that’ll fit on the GSA in future.
Ps. You drilling towards your bare hand had my nerves going crazy lol!
Just a heads up this is great for the GSA- you can pass it through the front wheel hub and disc
@@kenny4k ah cheers. Sold the GSA in the end though 😛.
Thanks. Will check it out when i go accessory shopping today.
Cordless angle grinders are VERY battery hungry so even with a 5ah battery, this lock definitely is you best chance of keeping your bike
I've got a 36v angle grinder with a diamond metal blade, I use it for cutting steel rebar all day long, it wouldn't have a problem with this lock. £400 worth of tool for a £5k bike seems like a reasonable investment for a crook
That's why I like the ones that explode or emit poison gas when a grinder cuts half way thru 😊
@@chadkline4268 Police these days will end up arresting you for hurting the "poor" robber
@@chadkline4268 lol, take my money
Id buy one if it could withstand my setup for work , 9.0 ah battery on milwaukee grinder with 1mm cutting discs. Fully charged battery and one disc . But hey ive got quick release disc nut so a couple of discs would be a quick pit stop.
Really ! A real world test would satisfy me as a d lock is not a deterent and less educated crims are gonna have a go not knowing the extra effort this brand of lock needs to be defeated.
One of the best RUclips channels…straightforward and factual. Thank you.
Thanks SO much! All the best, John
Great channel my brother, I'm going to go out and buy a few of these fuckers
So if i hear someone saying "Reloading!" I will undersand what is happening. Great video.
And the size of it is perfect to attach to the pillion handles or somewhere else out of the way when riding. And if you keep your bike alarmed and GPS tracked this lock on top makes any bike just too much trouble to bother with. Yup getting this one for sure. Thankyou for thr great review.
Thanks for watching, and you're exactly right! Cheers, John
Great review, best lock review I have seen, did well v angle grinder, glad you mentioned LPL - thankfully he just picks locks for fun or we all would be screwed :)
It makes me laugh that because people see someone highly skilled picking a lock in controlled conditions, they think every scally on the street is going to do that. I've tried to contact LPL a few times now but with no joy. Sadly, it can be quite detrimental to have people believing that locks can be easily defeated as they don't bother buying them, then wonder why they got their bike knicked!
I'm pretty sure a mains angle grinder would not be used out in the field🤔it would be a cordless type, so for that to take so long to break with a mains one is impressive👌good test as usual guy's 😉
Cheers! I use a mains grinder for consistency in all my testing - a battery one just isn't practical, so I treat it as a comparison benchmark. 06:57 Cheers, John
When scum are nicking high end bikes, they will come equipped with mains powered grinders. They’ll use a converter which are pretty cheap, especially against the rewards for theft. I used to have one for my portable fridge when we used to to go to the Alps with the kids. If you underestimate the criminals resilience and ingenuity, you’ll be sadly disappointed.
Security is a question of time, as John stated. Given enough time, any security can be broken. However, the casual, or career thief, as opposed to the organised gangs, will move on to the next target. Multiple layers is what you need. The problem is securing and unsecuring your pride and joy can be a chore, especially if it’s peeing down with rain.
At home, install cameras, these are cheap. Make sure you’ve got one facing the road to get number plates. Add garage alarms, battery are best, especially if you put a dummy box outside with a wire leading up. Alarm your bike, ground anchor it, and get a garage defender. Then get a tracker too. The only issue is, that security may flag something valuable to a thief.
Away from home, park where there are plenty of people, CCTV cameras (not hard in digital policing mentality) if you chain your bike, keep the chain in the air. It might mean wrapping it several times, but it makes things harder. It’s like people who buy a £1000 phone, and then moan about paying a tenner for a case. If you’ve got a nice bike, don’t be a tight-arse! Layer your security, or get a hack which doesn’t matter if it gets nicked and keep your best one for Sunday ride outs.
That or they will use the angle grinder as a weapon to bystanders:
ruclips.net/video/Wpbtj3uCN8c/видео.html
who will steal a bike with a grinder that is too noisy
I'm always impressed at the lengths you go to in your tests, it does look a tough bit of kit. My wife was shouting at the TV "don't drill towards your hand" I did tell her It'll be fine..... its made the edit!
You have an understanding wife to let you have me on the telly! Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial She's a fan and a Street Triple owner. Cheers and take care
@@Banditmanuk Fantastic - all the very best to you both!
If he had a sick sense of humour, he'd have filmed the introduction of the video with a large bandage on that hand and let us cringe as he drilled away! He could then pull off the bandage to an uninjured hand and say, "Ha, ha! Fooled you all!"
That would have been perfect!
@@dudeonbike800 Unfortunately the fears and criticisms of tool use are always a surprise to me!
That hand behind the grinder and with gloves, gave me a heart attack 😂. Amazing review
Found your video since you mentioned LPL. Nice work. Air tags in the frame another barrier to help deter.
Can’t wait to get one really impressed very good review as always thanks for all your hard work in making these videos
Thanks! Cheers, John
Thanks for the review. I’ll probably be getting a couple of these for my ebikes.
Is there a test with a electric circle saw diamond cutter? And im curios about what type of disk they use in the angle grinder. That said ot seems really resistive compared to most locks o seen.
This is a well put together video. You never mentioned temperature tolerances, resistance to extreme cold. Increasingly common is freezing the lock or chain then just bashing it into pieces. It's a 60 second job.
If you're referring to the "trick" of using an upside-down air duster, that's only about -15/-25c, I think the majority of attacks which succeed when this is used would have succeeded regardless as to my knowledge that's not really enough to cause brittle failure in steel. Carrying true cryogenic equipment is well outside the scope of motorcycle thieves.
Freeze testing gets expensive and I do it with plumber's freeze spray. I didn't try it here, but in all the testing I've done, it's only been an issue when I can get a good swing with a sledgehammer onto a makeshift anvil. Cheers, John
Well from a different brand, the *Litelok X3* website:
"LITELOK X3 is armoured with Barronium™, a patent pending composite material that resists angle grinder attack by turning the grinder's energy and force in on itself. It offers at least 15 times more resistance than the best-selling, best-performing D-locks without adding any extra weight. It is permanently fused to a hardened fine-grain high-tensile steel core which provides protection against all other commonly used tools such as bolt croppers, cable cutters, long bars, hammers & chisels and *-40°C freeze spray."*
Great test…You should have tried it with a cordless grinder instead as it would of been even more realistic, that id expect would of made a huge difference in terms of even the batteries dying out quite quickly along with the discs. I’ve said for years I wish a security company would use some kind of other material other than metal for these kinds of grinder attacks. Seems this is the answer! Thanks for doing it 👍🏻
I use the mains grinder so I can directly compare the results of all the lock test I've done (I rarely put them on RUclips), but yes - this makes life very difficult in the real world. Cheers, John
*would HAVE...! You're welcome.
I like this guys reviews, always honest and real, thanks very much
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Blimey... 11 minutes and 34 seconds and I'm £200 lighter =) Seriously, thanks for putting this on my radar. I'm new to biking and a lock was on my list of things to do. Thanks to this video... It's now a done deal. Thanks again. =)
That's great - I wouldn't recommend anything I hadn't tested properly. Do check out all our reviews at www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products. All the best, John
I would like to see it's resistance to a diamond cutting wheel.
Same
Spoiler alert, it'll cut it...eventually.
Has the LockpickingLawyer tested this one?😅
Exactly what I was thinking!
I noticed you ground through the top part, I’ve seen other reviews do it at the side, the question is have you tried grinding the bottom part where the key goes in?
FWIW, I use six inch cutoff wheels for my 4 inch grinder. You need to take the blade cover off, and there is some risk there I suppose but it works for me and it makes the grinder more useful because there are a lot of times where the extra cut depth is useful.
That is against the rules. No criminal would ever grind without the guard
Another very informative review. Excellent information as always keep them coming. 👍
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Great video appreciate your hard work. Would have liked to see a bottle jack attack or long lever attach as that is what theives seem to use against d locks here in NZ
Doesn't happen in the UK though
Thanks John for another fantastic and informative video, as always. Really appreciate you taking the time and effort to enable us to make an informed decision when choosing how to best protect our pride and joy. Keep up the great work and all the best to you and your family. P.S. Would you recommend this over the Kryptonite Keeper(Fortnine F9)? 😜😂
Thanks! I've tried repeatedly to get Kryptonite involved in our testing, but they haven't been interested. As the Keeper is a standard construction U-lock though, I'd suggest this would be the tougher option. My experience of Fortnine's review of a 9mm Kryptonite chain means I personally don't put that much credibility on the shop's security reviews. Cheers, John
There is one thing that a lot of testers omit and that is if a thief has decided that it is to much hassle with drilling the lock and gives up then moves on to another motorcycle.
Can the owner of said motorcycle who comes back to unlock his or her pride and joy do so? I meen after the iritual shock of finding their bike with a damaged lock can they use their lock key and unlock it in the usual way.
Or worst case scenario resort to using techniques the thief was prepared to use!
It's a fair point. To be honest, an angle-grinder attack is the most likely, but a lock could be rendered inoperable after an attack. It could also be malicious - if a thief fills a lock barrel with glue, it could mean the rider potentially leaves the bike, making it possible to maybe attack when there are fewer witnesses. That's also why you should never leave an unused lock out; it can be disabled, meaning you have to leave the bike unlocked (don't park it there if this happens!).
Ultimately, the benefits of locking a bike far outweigh the unlikely situation of having to get a mate or locksmith out to spend the time (and many discs and batteries in this case) getting it off. Cheers, John
Try a sawzall with carbide metal cutting blades. Cuts through grinder resistant alloys with ease.
Thats what I was thinking, I use a sawzalls everyday at work. With a good blade they get through everything really quickly.
Impressive. Have you considered testing the Altor SAF lock? It's a super chunky lock that apparently melts onto angle grinders.
Too bulky to carry around but a cheaper price tag that altor lock
Someone with LPL's skills picking a lock on the street is like having your car stolen by a formula 1 driver. Your average crook just doesn't have that level of skill.
Good to see there are some people with sense! Cheers, John
Could you do another test with the grinder on the remaining bits of the lock with a diamond metal cutting blade to see if there any difference in cutting time, would be interesting to see the results of that test 👍
Will see what I can do. Cheers, John
@Olaoluwa Oyenuga Our testing, and Sold Secure's, is based on the actual attacks being carried out in the UK. You could use a plasma cutter, but that's not common on the street. It's always worth keeping an eye on though!
@Olaoluwa Oyenuga Have a read of this; it might help settle your mind. Cheers, John www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/advice/biking-tips/how-to-stop-motorcycle-bike-being-stolen
I would want to see if there’s any ways to exploit the key way, would also like to see a diamond wheel used on it.
Great video!
Looking fwd to it being back and stock and available in the US!
Hi, can I ask , is it better to install a GPS tracker and put a sticker on the bike to maybe prevent theft in the first instance? Or is better to not warn a thief there is a tracker ??? Thanks in advance
Good question. If you warn them, they're more likely to look harder than ripping the seat off if they do take it, but maybe it'd put them off. I couldn't say to be honest - personally I wouldn't warm them. Cheers, John
Its about time a manufacturer is looking at stopping angle grinder attacks
Got to be the biggest threat to having your bike stolen these days
Shame delivery is not until March 2022 according to their Website
Sir I live in india..can you please suggest a good bike lock which is available in india ❤️
Thanks for doing thit test. I feel much re-assured into investing in this lock for my bike. On a side note, you drilling into the lock with your hand in the back of the lock had me in suspense. In the moment I don't think you were realizing it but while editing the video was there an oh shit I can't believe I had my hand there moment?
Once the drill was in the body of the lock, it wasn't going anywhere.
Great review very informative but How would grinding the lock itself rather than the shackle fair?
That's a good call - by default you always attack the smaller area so I hadn't, but I'll give that a go. Thanks! John I'll update the written review when I've done it. www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-d1000-review-angle-grinder-resistant-lock
@@bennettsbikesocial brilliant, thank you!
Sorry for taking so long to check this. I've now had a go at cutting the body and it's not weaker - the aluminium core eats through the disc. I can't post pics here, but if you go to the written review I have updated it. Cheers! John www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-d1000-review-angle-grinder-resistant-lock
@@bennettsbikesocial you’re an absolute Legend, Thanks so much.
Im gonna order 2 locks one for front wheel and one for the back wheel
Make sure you watch the new video! ruclips.net/video/JVqNCv_p7Ug/видео.htmlsi=ZwU3g5uUTOp_elGI
At some point the locks have gotten so difficult to quickly defeat that you have to start wondering if the thing you're locking your bike TO isn't the weak link. Old job I had, the spot to park your bike at wasn't much sturdier than a bicycle rack... battery powered rotary would chew through that in seconds...
Just out of curiosity did you try cutting through the locking mechanism part of the lock? Would this be a weakened part of the lock as it's not solid?
Great review!
If a twerp uses a drill on your lock and messes it up so you can't use your key to unlock it, what then?
You have to cut it. Slowly. It's an unlikely scenario, and the alternative is not locking it.
Nice but one hammer whack on one of the mag spokes and crack goes the wheel spoke and off comes the lock surely??
If you can get the angle right and a clear swing, and it's a particularly thin one you might be able to start attacking it that way, but I'd use this on a rear wheel and also across two spokes if you can.
Exactly what happened to my motorcycle. 20-30sec they took to hammer and crack the cast wheel spoke, removed the lock, and off they went.
@@MrLittledirector It's going to depend on the material and access, but nothing's unbeatable. Hiplok is looking to expand in the motorcycle market so it'll be interesting to see what new versions come out too.
I just went out this morning and used the lump hammer on the 2012 Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 wheel that I have for lock testing and couldn't smash it - all it did was dent it. A spoke that shatters easily would be a concern when riding and hitting pot-holes, and while a thief could angle-grind the spoke out if they can get the purchase on it, it's less likely than cutting a disc. All security will have some way around it - it's always about making it harder than they can be bothered with.
As always an excellent review John, but £250.00 I feel it may put off potential buyers, as they would rather buy some bling than buy a security device, in my experience, but in this day and age the manufacturers should be doing more to combat this I feel, how much extra would it add to the cost of a new bike/scooter to have trackers/alarms which actually work and don't leave you stranded fitted as standard.
I'm not entirely convinced by that argument of the more security the better, and may lull some people into a false sense of being secure, it probably did to me, after I had 2 bikes chained together head to toe, chained both ends with massive sold secure chains and Kryptonite locks, and the thieving scum bags managed to defeat that lot and had my GSXR1000 away one night, from a fairly secure underground location, not in the U.K I hasten to add, if they want it, it will go no matter how many locks, alarms you have, is sadly my feeling.
The only real deterrent is a bomb proof underground Atomic blast bunker, ok so I'm being a little jovial there...
But what isn't being addressed and is the real problem, is after these thieving little scr**ts get caught, the courts just slap their wrists, give them suspended or community service sentences, because the out of touch courts, don't seem to view motorcycle theft as breaking the law, sorry I digress, not really the forum for that discussion. 🙄
Multiple locks on a bike in isolation offer little deterrent to night time operators who are also more likely to carry a nice assortment of tools.
You forget to mention, how long did it take for angle grinder to cut through
As usual, great review , thanks!!!
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Hey John, did I see this correctly that you only had to do one cut and then half of the shackle just fell off?
Shouldn't thieves have to do two cuts on these kind of locks?
How does the locking part of this hold up against a grinder? I see so many tests with the U part, but the lack of anyone grinding near the lock cylinder has been a point of concern for me
Here's the full review: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/hiplok-d1000-review-angle-grinder-resistant-lock
Scary hand placement with that drill
I like to live on the edge!
I know this is an old post but I'm trying to understand why the lock came apart when you cut it in one place
Another very informative review. Excellent information
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
How do you get your bike home if an attempt to steal ends up damaging, but not defeating, the lock?
How long did it take with 3 discs? I'm curious how it does against picking. According to consumer review I read it took 4 plates and 22 mins to cut trough. That's impressive, I won't be in a store that long. I guess it depends on the discs and how well you cut. But impressive nonetheless. Maybe I sohuld get one for my bicycle.
How would you get it off after a drill attack ? Would you still have to cut it off yourself ?
One hell of a test, my question would be what is the best way to secure a bike with a lock, ie where to locate it? I know it will depend on the bike and location where you park it, but would be good to know. Mate of mine had his bike nicked where 3 blokes in a van just picked it up and lifted it into the van, the alarm went off but people just stood and watched it happen!
Hiya mate, good video, however, I think you used the hammer setting on the drill function which will blunt the end of the tip
Great lock, I probably have one of the best security devices and that’s my location in rural Scotland.where thefts of any vehicle are rare, it’s really too far and too much trouble for anyone to make the effort. If I’m away I disc lock front and rear but also have two Liteloks. I bought the Liteloks as bicycle locks as I noticed if you bought the largest wearable Litelok it was much cheaper than the one sold for motorbikes but was the same lock, same dimensions and same motorcycle Sold Secure Gold rating anyway.
How is it even possible that you can remove the lock after cutting it only once at 7:33?
The ends are rectangular. Therefore you can't bend those to the side. You would have to cut through the lock twice.
Yet in your video one half just falls off. How is that possible? Not properly locked?
did you try unlocking the thing after your drill attack? I wonder about an unsuccessful lock attack resulting in you yourself being stuck unable to remove the thing!!
did you try diamond disks?
Fantastic thorough test as always, only downside when locked like that is a thief could just cut the spoke on that type of multi spoke wheel in seconds, remove the lock and push the bike away.
Glad companies though are really trying to give bikers a fighting chance against theft and keep innovating with theft devices.
Yes - traditional spokes won't work with this as they'd be too easy to cut but Hiplok is looking to do more in the motorcycle market, so we'll have to wait and see... Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Look forward to see what they come up with and of course your brilliant reviews.
@@Hi-Shine Thanks so much! Cheers, John
Wow great video! any ideas which one is the best but with a chain?
Hopefully this'll help: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/how-to-choose-the-best-motorcycle-security
@@bennettsbikesocial thank you !
There's a new kid on the block, it's the just released Litelok X1 and the soon to be released (November 2022) Litelok X3.
Both using a material called Baronium. Both are Sold Secure Diamond. And both are European ART4 certified.
Have you heard of these locks? And if so, will you be testing them?
Thanks in advance.
Yes - the plan was to do them ready for the release, but we're yet to get our hands on them and are waiting on an update. Once I have got them, you can expect a full review. Cheers!
You (correctly) advise against using this with spoked wheels and also point out the weakness of disk locks, but didn’t mention that a thief could cut the cast wheel spoke, (yes I know that damages the wheel, but do they care?). I hope they make this to fit around an average front tire. Abus Granite X Plus fits over my front wheel nicely.
Getting the angle grinder in to cut the spoke twice can be hard, but there's always a way to defeat anything - any security is about making your bike less desirable than the others.
Wouldnt buy a lock without watching your videos I bought my chains and locks based on the reviews you do, now I am a bennetts customer too! Would you be willing to do a video on the most effective ways to secure your bike? i.e. ground anchor through a wheel, through the frame etc. I have several locks and several chains but sometimes think is that the best way to do it?
Thanks very much! A good idea, but until then, does this help? www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/how-to-use-your-motorcycle-chain-and-lock Cheers, John
I got one for my superdelite. hope it keeps my bike safe.
Any chance you could do a comparison test on radiator coolants v water or waterless coolant !!!
What about cryo attacks? Often steel that hard will break fairly easily if really cold, it's often better to have a very hard surface and slightly softer center
Beautiful 5th gen vfr you have there! I ride a 2000 myself. I also enjoy your content on motorcycles
Thanks very much! Yes, I am really lucky with this bike - do keep watching as the plan is to strip the engine at 100,000 miles. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I will keep an eye for the strip down. I am installing a yss rear shock upgrade this winter myself. Along with all the guts of the rear hub and brakes. Lovely machines they are.
I Need this one and I am on the waiting list
Next time instead (if there is one) use an masonry blade as its a diamond encoated steel wheel with cooling cuts put into the blade for water or cutting oil.. It's about 100 American dollars but it doesn't disappear like abrasive wheels do. Just fruit for thought as it's your channel and I'm truly not trying to tell you what to do.
What about diamond blade on the angle grinder?
Great review! So would you prefer the Hiplok D1000 or the Pragmasis Round Lock?
A really good question! The Roundlock is cheaper and actually harder to cut than this, due to its design. I should stress that the D1000 excels as a stand-alone peice of portable security. The Roundlock's weakness when used as a disc lock is that the disc is easy to cut. But on the other hand it can be used as an exceptional lock on a chain. It's swings and roundabouts really. Cheers, John
Youre still snookered if they decide to just remove the front wheel lol However that said when paired with the oxford beast lock and chain on the rear at home that's a lot less likely . Great vid as usual 👌🏼
Removing wheels is pretty unusual, but putting this on the rear is no problem. I just have a front wheel for testing. Cheers, John
What type of blade was used in the grinder?
I thought to myself the other day ok it’s great against grinders but what about croppers? You have answered my question. Thank you!
No worries. That's what impressed me with Hiplok - they're not tying to dictate the tests that are done by people.
Beginner rider here, can't i use this lock past the frame of a svartpilen ?
Excellent review...many thanks. I am an ex biker (probably) and either I have been fantastically lucky or blessed because having had at least twelve bikes (I've sort of lost count) over around 30 years I have never had one stolen. Some had the Honda security but I've never even used any other type of lock, chain or alarm. A lot of those were when I lived in London too, parked in the road. Are bikes more likely to be stolen today? It would be interesting to see the stats.
Bike thefts are dropping due to high value car crime, but it's never been as bad as social media portrays. It's an echo-chamber of misery, but the fact is that theft isn't everywhere, but it does happen, so using any security significantly reduces the chances of being a victim. Cheers, John
Todo se puede cortar, así que menuda gracia y que novedad. Sabes lo único que vale antirrobo es un seguro con cobertura total.
Thanks john
@ 5:20 holy crap please never do that again. That’s how accidents happen.
Why did the lock split apart after a single cut? The lock shaft ends aren’t locked from rotating when engaged with the lock base?
Hi John, Thanks for another great video, attack testing lock vids are my fav. Have you tried an angle grinder attack on the abus granit 59 u lock, it’s a great lock and due to its size I hope it will slow the thieves down, would be great to see a real attack test as their isn’t one on RUclips. Cheers
I've only done this one, sorry: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/tested-abus-granit-extreme-59-review The U-lock won't have the resistance to angle-grinder of the Hiplok but that of course doesn't mean it's not worth using! Cheers, John
It would be interesting to compare against the Litelok X1, which is lighter and £100 less. Seems to be just as good, if not better.
Give me a week or so...
How does it compare to the Litelok x3
So i have a question...if they use a drill and cant get the lock opened up and leave the bike while destroying the keyhole...how do we get that off ourself?
Great info, thanks!
Great review, thanks
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Hey John, this was a great vid! I love your security testing articles and I reference them all the time whenever I need to add new security kit. I'd love if you could do a video/some articles of some products from Kryptonite like the Fahgeddaboudit Mini or New York M18, etc. I'd lap up more of your testing content! There are also some other brands I'm curious of too such as Kovix's U locks, Mammoth Security, Gear Gremlin etc
Thanks! I'm always eager to get as many products tested as we can, but it's not always possible to get hold of it. I've tried several times over the past four years to get Kryptonite involved, for instance, but they just haven't been interested. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Ahh! Its a shame that manufacturers have to agree in order for you to carry out your testing - I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info and your response, cheers
@@BritishArmyTributes Not so much that they have to agree - we have bought locks in the past, but that has been when it's a particularly interesting and unusual item. If a company releases a ground-breaking item (and especially if they and sponsored influencers make big claims about it) we will - and have - bought it to do our own testing. In Kryptonite's case, it'd make more sense to get a line of communication going that we can review a batch of them. I did buy that 9mm that F9 claimed was the best motorcycle security... ruclips.net/video/YKO1yudGVNg/видео.html
@@bennettsbikesocial ah yes, the infamous and impenetrable 7mm Keeper! I had a feeling you may have bought that one after the ridiculous claims, I would have too!
@@BritishArmyTributes Yes, sorry - 7mm... even worse!
Hi, I love your thinking about breaking into a lock system with all the mentioned tools. I am not an expert in security or locks in any way, I am just average Joe thinking for a few moments. If I was going to steal something protected by fancy chains or locks, I would turn up with a small gas-cutting torch set (oxy-acetylene ) that will fit into almost any vehicle and will very quickly and silently cut anything you have shown and without any major damage to the bike.
It's a good point, but it's not equipment that's being reported by the police as typically used in thefts. Ultimately, anything that can be made can be destroyed in some way. All you can do is protect against the most likely scenario.