They are definitely an interesting concept, I think I agreed with you in one of the other vids where you mentioned it was a bit slow for some roads... it is that that would steer me more to the e-bike route rather than this I think if I was going to get one for commuting as you can use cycle paths with them, whereas you are restricted to road use only with this. 🙂
@@HippoDrones for commuting these bikes are absolutely great. They are fast. You aren’t stuck in traffic. They are very efficient because they are not too fast. For cruising at 45 kmh you’ll need only 800-1200W. A car takes about 10x of energy. But the problem is that you can’t flow with city traffic. In most EU cities is 50 km/h max speed. Most cars driving at about 55 kmh. So you are a obstacle. It would be great to allow the speed for 50ccm bikes to 50 or 55 km/h. But this is an EU law. Hard to change. Okay but an A1 motorcycle is also great but these can go up to about 120kmh and have 11kW. The battery is huge and the bike heavy and expensive. Also you need to license the A1 Bike at the government. You’ll need also every 2 years a safety check. The 50ccm bikes only need a license plate.
I have 5 motorbikes already@@Crustenscharbap so no need to try and sell me another! 😀 I commute in my van, it is faster than going by motorbike, and I stay dry and warm in winter! 😀
I trialed this bike on my farm in nz a few months ago. We have plenty of hills so was a good test. Two things stopped me from from purchasing this bike. 1 - simply does not have the power to take a 90kg me up a hill over 45 degrees gradient. Will dramatically lose speed and wheels will spin out. 2 - the suspension was extremely bumpy compared to my petrol bike. Two hours of riding in grass paddocks was super tiring. Sealed and gravel roads good, grass paddocks bad. Getting back on my 4 stroke 2 wheeler felt like luxury
I hear it was designed with farmers or shepherds in mind. This thing is perfect for patrols around the property and probably can carry quiet a bit of tools and equipment if you're committed to it. Just think of all the trips done with a pickup or 4x4 just because thats the default vehicle. Also, can we please address the fact that traveling silently through nature is a huge plus, just think of all the noise pollution we put up with or even fetishize when operating ICE bikes. And let us be honest about total cost of ownership of a petrol mashine compared to this which will most likely be charged off of home made solar and doesn't need much maintenance.
I think they really do exagerate the milage! From all my off line contacts including a motorbike dealer the most I have heard any one get is 47 miles. I believe they meant 75 Kilometers. That would make more sense with what you say and our experience. 47 miles is very close to 75 kilometers. No way can it do 75 miles. With out the hills you might of got the 47 miles aswell. Very well made and fun to ride though. I just wish that range could be increased for me to be interested in buying one, Especially for camping trips etc
The owners manual in the tool kit gives a diagram of the range expectations. It explicitly states that the 120km range is at 32.5kph, so if you put it in beginner mode limited to 30kph it will go 120km. It says if you go 50kph the whole time it will only go 60 kilometers, but if you hit red lights infrequently and regen to a stop you can expect maybe 70 kilometers.
@@Aimaiai Yes I know it says that but not sure if any one has actually achieved that level of performance yet in real life on the road? I have not seen any vids or know any one who has yet. Just spoke to another owner who also says it has not got to the Level of performance that it claims. But it could be down to weather and temp effecting the battery. He is going to do a proper test in the summer. I really like this bike.
Regenerative breaking probably protects the brakes somewhat. I can see this selling well with the campervan crowd and in holiday locations. Royal Mail might find it useful. Like the Sinclair C5, it could either become tres chic or bomb completely. I wish it well.
@@jankedmediagroup6784 potentially but teslas haven’t. They are like the latest iPhone. There are some people that simply have to have one and they pay for the models development costs and then the rest of us buy the previous model for which they have no development cost to fund outstanding and they can discount them. Time will tell I suppose. Like a tesla this is a very desirable package.
@@velotill very true. I watch one RUclipsr who’s a Mobile ev servicing specialist and he says that reviving under-utilised brakes is a major part of servicing. I look forward to the day that I can pick up an ev to try for myself.
@@robinwells8879these are bug in new zealand it's made there obviously think the price is ridiculous but they're like 1500 2000 pound used here so I have certainly considered a couple of tim3s
00:50 Just to point out regarding car licence. It's not just older full car licence that get to ride it. Anyone who has a full car licence and completes a CBT course unlocks 50cc riding without L plates on their car licence, even after the CBT 'expires' for 125cc you can still ride 50cc.
@@spicy110 That only applies to people who don't already have a full licence. I'll quote from the gov uk website. You can search the quote to get the exact webpage then. "If you have a car driving licence You can ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates and without taking the moped test in some situations. You passed your driving test on or after 1 February 2001 You’ll get a full moped licence if you either: pass your car driving test and then complete a compulsory basic training (CBT) course complete a CBT course and then pass your car driving test within two years You can then ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates. You do not need to take the full moped test. You can ride mopeds for as long as your car driving licence lasts."
Looks great for the summer. And as you say in the video, places like Spain, as an alternative to ped hire. Seems much safer. But, how do you think this would fair in the wet?
That still looks like you're having too much fun. I don't remember if you've said, but I really like the look of your surroundings. Where is it that you live, planning a holiday in the van soon.
You are probably better off getting an electric bike to save on insurance costs but it looks a great bike for shopping on locally it look so cute for a 50cc e scooter great video keep up with the good work
I bought this bike in August 2022, I live in Asturias, a rainy mountainous region in Spain. It is my only vehycle and I thought it was a great idea for people living off-grid , off-road, like I do. But IT IS NOT. The price in Spain is around 6.500 euros. Extremely expensive for the quality of the components. After 900km the brakes are gone, brake pads are too thin and too weak. Now with 1.400km the bike is going to the sellers becouse the pistons of the brakes have collapsed. They don't move becouse they get too dirty too easily. The temperature of the engines is another problem. In Spain in summer the bike will stop from overheating after, only, 20km ride by road. More experiences soon
@@spicy110 Definatelly! your summary is really good, although things change a lot if you ride on hilly roads or paths, specially whith rain or gravel on slopes. I'm 61 so I drive with care, but I bet most people will see the front wheel slipping crazy. Putting 10kg extra weigth over the front wheel helps, but won't avoid the slipping. In these situations the only solution i've found is reducing the speed to the minimum. Again: a very good idea, but not a robust bike. And there's more...
I just prefer petrol bikes and will always prefer petrol but I can appreciate EV. But the technology is just not there yet. Im looking to get a 390 Duke adventure or a supermoto next.
The battery monitor is not "adjusting" for range. It's directly linked to battery voltage. When you use power the voltage *sags*. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_sag
You could attach solar panels to sides since it has a flat surface, hopefully some day designers will make electric stuff that has the potential to recharge off grid doesn’t matter the change time.
I'd love to ad a long mono trailer with 300W solar on top.and maybe the front (like those guys pioneering solar bicycle touring at @thesuntrip) and maybe add some extra battery capacity and take this on a road trip.
@@spicy110 ..Nice to hear that there are no restrictions. Does the bike have an onboard dash screed to indicate Battery Condition, Speed and Mileage ? Is that included or is that an extra purchase ?
The legal limit of a 50cc in the uk on a CBT at 16 is 28mph, it's literally a legal requirement regardless of power type. In fact for the electric 125cc bikes they can have the power of a 400cc, so yer, little off on that one.
Just to be clear these bikes starting price is £4500, This one is £5000 plus some add ons, like the luggage, racks and front flat rack.
They are definitely an interesting concept, I think I agreed with you in one of the other vids where you mentioned it was a bit slow for some roads... it is that that would steer me more to the e-bike route rather than this I think if I was going to get one for commuting as you can use cycle paths with them, whereas you are restricted to road use only with this. 🙂
@@HippoDrones for commuting these bikes are absolutely great. They are fast. You aren’t stuck in traffic. They are very efficient because they are not too fast. For cruising at 45 kmh you’ll need only 800-1200W. A car takes about 10x of energy. But the problem is that you can’t flow with city traffic. In most EU cities is 50 km/h max speed. Most cars driving at about 55 kmh. So you are a obstacle. It would be great to allow the speed for 50ccm bikes to 50 or 55 km/h. But this is an EU law. Hard to change.
Okay but an A1 motorcycle is also great but these can go up to about 120kmh and have 11kW. The battery is huge and the bike heavy and expensive. Also you need to license the A1 Bike at the government. You’ll need also every 2 years a safety check. The 50ccm bikes only need a license plate.
I have 5 motorbikes already@@Crustenscharbap so no need to try and sell me another! 😀 I commute in my van, it is faster than going by motorbike, and I stay dry and warm in winter! 😀
I trialed this bike on my farm in nz a few months ago. We have plenty of hills so was a good test. Two things stopped me from from purchasing this bike. 1 - simply does not have the power to take a 90kg me up a hill over 45 degrees gradient. Will dramatically lose speed and wheels will spin out. 2 - the suspension was extremely bumpy compared to my petrol bike. Two hours of riding in grass paddocks was super tiring. Sealed and gravel roads good, grass paddocks bad. Getting back on my 4 stroke 2 wheeler felt like luxury
I hear it was designed with farmers or shepherds in mind. This thing is perfect for patrols around the property and probably can carry quiet a bit of tools and equipment if you're committed to it. Just think of all the trips done with a pickup or 4x4 just because thats the default vehicle.
Also, can we please address the fact that traveling silently through nature is a huge plus, just think of all the noise pollution we put up with or even fetishize when operating ICE bikes.
And let us be honest about total cost of ownership of a petrol mashine compared to this which will most likely be charged off of home made solar and doesn't need much maintenance.
I think they really do exagerate the milage! From all my off line contacts including a motorbike dealer the most I have heard any one get is 47 miles. I believe they meant 75 Kilometers. That would make more sense with what you say and our experience. 47 miles is very close to 75 kilometers. No way can it do 75 miles. With out the hills you might of got the 47 miles aswell. Very well made and fun to ride though. I just wish that range could be increased for me to be interested in buying one, Especially for camping trips etc
The owners manual in the tool kit gives a diagram of the range expectations. It explicitly states that the 120km range is at 32.5kph, so if you put it in beginner mode limited to 30kph it will go 120km. It says if you go 50kph the whole time it will only go 60 kilometers, but if you hit red lights infrequently and regen to a stop you can expect maybe 70 kilometers.
@@Aimaiai Yes I know it says that but not sure if any one has actually achieved that level of performance yet in real life on the road? I have not seen any vids or know any one who has yet. Just spoke to another owner who also says it has not got to the Level of performance that it claims. But it could be down to weather and temp effecting the battery. He is going to do a proper test in the summer. I really like this bike.
Regenerative breaking probably protects the brakes somewhat. I can see this selling well with the campervan crowd and in holiday locations. Royal Mail might find it useful. Like the Sinclair C5, it could either become tres chic or bomb completely. I wish it well.
It'll bomb because of the price unfortunately
@@jankedmediagroup6784 potentially but teslas haven’t. They are like the latest iPhone. There are some people that simply have to have one and they pay for the models development costs and then the rest of us buy the previous model for which they have no development cost to fund outstanding and they can discount them.
Time will tell I suppose. Like a tesla this is a very desirable package.
Regen does a lot in terms of minimizing wear and tear on those brakes.
@@velotill very true. I watch one RUclipsr who’s a Mobile ev servicing specialist and he says that reviving under-utilised brakes is a major part of servicing. I look forward to the day that I can pick up an ev to try for myself.
@@robinwells8879these are bug in new zealand it's made there obviously think the price is ridiculous but they're like 1500 2000 pound used here so I have certainly considered a couple of tim3s
00:50 Just to point out regarding car licence. It's not just older full car licence that get to ride it.
Anyone who has a full car licence and completes a CBT course unlocks 50cc riding without L plates on their car licence, even after the CBT 'expires' for 125cc you can still ride 50cc.
If taken within 2 years of getting a driving license or vice-versa if I remember correctly.
@@spicy110 That only applies to people who don't already have a full licence. I'll quote from the gov uk website. You can search the quote to get the exact webpage then.
"If you have a car driving licence
You can ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates and without taking the moped test in some situations.
You passed your driving test on or after 1 February 2001
You’ll get a full moped licence if you either:
pass your car driving test and then complete a compulsory basic training (CBT) course
complete a CBT course and then pass your car driving test within two years
You can then ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates. You do not need to take the full moped test.
You can ride mopeds for as long as your car driving licence lasts."
Thanks for that interesting and fascinating review.
This seems to be a L3e class (50cc) motorcycle. In Germany you can ride it with a car driving license.
Used to me that way here pre 2013, now you need to take a cbt but that then allows you to ride a 50cc forever.
Looks great for the summer. And as you say in the video, places like Spain, as an alternative to ped hire. Seems much safer.
But, how do you think this would fair in the wet?
That still looks like you're having too much fun.
I don't remember if you've said, but I really like the look of your surroundings. Where is it that you live, planning a holiday in the van soon.
Portsmouth area
I wonder if there available in the States yet because I can see this going over big in beach towns .
Yes they are. I have two. I live in Oregon. You can get them on sale regularly.
i do a lot of camping so i think im Gunna save up for one of these, with the weight limit i could carry a lot of kit
Amazing video do you think you’ll ever do a video with the Honda forza
You are probably better off getting an electric bike to save on insurance costs but it looks a great bike for shopping on locally it look so cute for a 50cc e scooter great video keep up with the good work
Best quote I could get for a 28 mph electric bike was over £800 , no thanks but the bikes are great
Does it have regenerative braking?
No.
Yes, it does actually.
I bought this bike in August 2022, I live in Asturias, a rainy mountainous region in Spain.
It is my only vehycle and I thought it was a great idea for people living off-grid , off-road, like I do.
But IT IS NOT. The price in Spain is around 6.500 euros. Extremely expensive for the quality of the components.
After 900km the brakes are gone, brake pads are too thin and too weak. Now with 1.400km the bike is going to the sellers becouse the pistons of the brakes have collapsed. They don't move becouse they get too dirty too easily.
The temperature of the engines is another problem. In Spain in summer the bike will stop from overheating after, only, 20km ride by road.
More experiences soon
That confirms what I said about the longevity of the brakes. I do think they should get a set of motorcycle brakes on there.
@@spicy110 Definatelly! your summary is really good, although things change a lot if you ride on hilly roads or paths, specially whith rain or gravel on slopes. I'm 61 so I drive with care, but I bet most people will see the front wheel slipping crazy. Putting 10kg extra weigth over the front wheel helps, but won't avoid the slipping. In these situations the only solution i've found is reducing the speed to the minimum.
Again: a very good idea, but not a robust bike. And there's more...
I just prefer petrol bikes and will always prefer petrol but I can appreciate EV. But the technology is just not there yet.
Im looking to get a 390 Duke adventure or a supermoto next.
The Tech 100% is here now, my next review bike proves that, But it's very expensive right now.
The battery monitor is not "adjusting" for range.
It's directly linked to battery voltage. When you use power the voltage *sags*.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_sag
Hayling Island
Indeed, it is where I live.
The brakes are a bit disappointing I have had an a e-bike (bicycle) for the past 8 years and the brakes are always the thing causing problems.
I can say they worked great but as I say I do wonder how long those pads will last.
It also has regenitive braking,also the later models have heavier duty brakes
You could attach solar panels to sides since it has a flat surface, hopefully some day designers will make electric stuff that has the potential to recharge off grid doesn’t matter the change time.
I'd love to ad a long mono trailer with 300W solar on top.and maybe the front (like those guys pioneering solar bicycle touring at @thesuntrip) and maybe add some extra battery capacity and take this on a road trip.
They have solar charging now
When it comes india😢
Why does one have to download another Stupid tracking APP in order to enjoy riding this Bike ????
I didn't use any apps with this bike.
@@spicy110 ..Nice to hear that there are no restrictions. Does the bike have an onboard dash screed to indicate Battery Condition, Speed and Mileage ? Is that included or is that an extra purchase ?
To bad it doesn't do 50mph
It can't due to the licence requirements.
Good review. But no. It's a miss. 2WD? Why? Bigger tyres would be better. Just poor.
30 mph is a joke, people should stop trying to electrify bikes
The legal limit of a 50cc in the uk on a CBT at 16 is 28mph, it's literally a legal requirement regardless of power type. In fact for the electric 125cc bikes they can have the power of a 400cc, so yer, little off on that one.
@@spicy110 didnt know that, thanks